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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. We

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Speaker 1: have a cross over episode with Katie Wu today Cardinals Territory.

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Speaker 1: Cubs are in Saint Louis for four. Katie joins myself

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Speaker 1: and Patrick. We are all beat writers over at the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Katie covers the Cardinals, Patrick and I the Cubs. I

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Speaker 1: am out here in brutal Saint Louis, brutal because it

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Speaker 1: is ninety five degrees, humid and disgusting. In that game

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Speaker 1: yesterday for Cubs fans, not like pretty disgusting for Cardinals fans,

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Speaker 1: I think they loved every moment of it, from the

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Speaker 1: fourth inning on. Katie, I want to start this off like,

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Speaker 1: just get it going, because I don't think Cubs fans.

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Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't expecting this from the Cardinals. I think

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Speaker 1: most of us weren't, just the way they talked about

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Speaker 1: things in the offseason. What is beyond what we saw

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Speaker 1: last night? What are we looking at with the Cardinals?

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Speaker 1: What's going right? Why is this team, you know, pushing

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Speaker 1: the Cubs for first place?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I also didn't expect this from this Cardinals squad.

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Speaker 2: Much like almost everyone else, I know, the expectations were

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Speaker 2: relatively low, but that makes sense when you think about

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Speaker 2: the organization publicly saying that they were going to take

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Speaker 2: a step back this year. So really, I think it's

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Speaker 2: a credit to the assortment of young players that have

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Speaker 2: stepped up, very similar to the Cubs. What's really sparked

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals in this really remarkably surprising run, as I said,

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Speaker 2: seven games over five hundred, has been the fact that

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Speaker 2: they don't do anything like particularly top notch. They don't

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Speaker 2: have one of the best offenses in the league, they

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Speaker 2: don't have one of the best rotations. They do have

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Speaker 2: a very strong defense, but most Cardinals teams usually do.

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Speaker 2: It's that they just do everything pretty well, so they

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Speaker 2: going to give them a strength, it's been that they

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Speaker 2: are a very resilient group. Maybe that's because the expectations

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Speaker 2: were low coming into the year, a lot of young

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Speaker 2: players with a lot to prove, But the Cardinals have

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Speaker 2: nineteen comeback wins so far this season. You really can't

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Speaker 2: count them out of any ballgame, and they've built their

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Speaker 2: identity around their resiliency and it's led to an overall,

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Speaker 2: I think I've taken confidence with this club. When you

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Speaker 2: have a lot of young guys learning to play every

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Speaker 2: day for the first time and getting a chance to

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Speaker 2: contribute to a major league team over and over again,

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Speaker 2: day by day, and they keep winning, that confidence grows

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Speaker 2: and it makes this team more and more dangerous. I

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Speaker 2: had zero expectations that this Cardinals team would be contending

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Speaker 3: Okay. I saw the attendance on Monday night was roughly

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Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand at Bush Stadium. I'm curious how the

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Speaker 3: public and whether Cardinals fans are like buying in at

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Speaker 3: this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the official tendancy yesterday was around twenty

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Speaker 2: hot here, But for Cardinals Cubs, you guys know this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's usually a packed house regardless of stadium.

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Speaker 2: So it was a little shocking to me with even

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Speaker 2: that goes to show that the messaging about this transition

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Speaker 2: season was not sold well. The Cardinals had an end

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Speaker 2: of season press conference last October where they announced that

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Speaker 2: long time present baseball opst on the Zeilaf would be

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Speaker 2: and they sold this year as kind of a pathway

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Speaker 2: where we're going to focus on the youth and rebuilding

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Speaker 2: the minor league system, but we're also not fully going

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Speaker 2: have to. As you can see, there was still plenty

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Speaker 2: think Cardinals fans were just kind of all they heard was, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're not spending money on the roster, and they didn't.

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Speaker 2: They signed one free agent for two million dollars in

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Speaker 2: Cardinals not going out there and proclaiming them to be

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Speaker 2: big spenders. Obviously they're not. But this fan base, much

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Speaker 2: like Kubbs, have a very high expectation of what their

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Speaker 2: for as well, they planned for a decline in ticket sales,

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Speaker 2: But hopefully, you know, once the weather calms down, if

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Speaker 2: it's pretty clear that the Cardinals fans. We talk about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised to see all those empty seats

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Speaker 1: last night. I guess you're right. I mean, I started

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Speaker 1: But the Cardinals are a good team. There's multiple players

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Speaker 1: were good. Brendan Donovan's been kicking the Cubs ass for years.

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Speaker 1: It feels like so. I don't know why exactly that's happening,

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Speaker 1: but they're good enough now that you'd think they'd be

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Speaker 1: showing up. Do you expect them to be active at

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Speaker 1: the deadline? Is this a buying team?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's part of the reason why I

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Speaker 2: thought this series against the Cubs who've, like as you

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Speaker 2: guys know, they pretty much just start to fit start

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Speaker 2: from the end of March to right now, it's been

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Speaker 2: their division. I think this would tell a lot about

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they're going to make a decision

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Speaker 2: want to deviate from their plan of focusing on the future.

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Speaker 2: If you're John Mozelac, you're also aware of that whatever

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Speaker 2: moves you make come July, you only have control over

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Speaker 2: the roster until October. And the whole reason the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: did this little transition plan, if you will bite this

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Speaker 2: almost never happening in baseball, was to give him blue

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Speaker 2: to go out and you're going to buy it the deadline,

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Speaker 2: you're only probably buying to the degree of rentals. And

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Speaker 2: same if they sell, you're probably only offloading your expiring contracts.

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Speaker 2: Because the big decisions are going to happen over the

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Speaker 2: off season when him takes over so they're in a

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Speaker 2: very weird place. It's not like the Cubs where I

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Speaker 2: like if they're going to be buyers, because they're pretty

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Speaker 2: much owning the division for Saint Louis. It's not just

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Speaker 2: a matter of what do they look like right now,

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Speaker 2: it's how does this shape up for the future, a

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Speaker 2: the National League, guys is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and actually talk about what

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Speaker 1: the Cubs are going to be doing and how aggressive

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Speaker 1: So Katie saw last night why the Hubs are going

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Speaker 1: to be active at the trade deadline. I think it's

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Speaker 1: you know, Ben Brown's a good guy. He's got nasty stuff.

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Speaker 1: the third time through the order, good teams are gonna

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Speaker 1: hit him. And they did. They he was he threw

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Speaker 2: Okayo.

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Speaker 1: They hammered some pitches right down right down the middle.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how soon it's gonna happen. All I

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Speaker 1: job is on the line. They're getting pitching. This is

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Speaker 1: you know, the Cardinals may be like hedging things. There's

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Speaker 1: no there's no doubt what the Cubs are doing at

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Speaker 2: Well that makes sense, right because any contending team coming

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to say it one more time. They're

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Speaker 2: on my computer. I'm trying to be cool. Right now.

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Speaker 3: We walk out this Are you in a Bush Stadium press box?

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's just.

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Speaker 2: The press box? Will the ac be back? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: Such writers were on the home side, which I really like.

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Speaker 1: Know, we all got to bond.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is so scary. So the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: It's why Michael McGreevy, whose spots spot starts today against

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Speaker 2: in Triple A. Between the Cardinals utilizing their schedule so

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals and Cubs whatever make a trade. I don't

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting to see the Cardinals could in a

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Speaker 2: But I'm super excited to see how this rivalry, how

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Patrick, I just want to get one question

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Speaker 2: minor league development. That's part of the reason why home

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00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: Bloom was brought here in the first place. But one

434
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Speaker 2: thing that they seem to have like millions of is

435
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 2: catching death and dhs uh and they have a see

436
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: to trade any of them, and then they'll get to

437
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: the Big Way club and they're like, well, we don't

438
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 2: have any flexibility. You'll figure so maybe one of their

439
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: their rising stars is still in the pipeline. The Cardinals

440
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: don't have a clear superstar like pie chor Armstrong. They

441
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: have a bunch of players that I think are going

442
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: to be stars, but don't have like the superstar ceiling

443
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: of pe Kormstrong. Mason Wynn is their short step of

444
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: the future. Brendan Donovan should be an All Star this year.

445
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: You can build a club around those two. Lars newbar All,

446
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: the big question for him this year was can he

447
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 2: stay healthy. He's done a great job in doing that.

448
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: He's been mostly their everyday left fielder and that's someone

449
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 2: that they're looking to build around as well. So they

450
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: don't necessarily have someone bitter Scott. I should mention him

451
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: just if you're looking for another exciting defensive centerfielder. He's

452
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: right there with Pca. So they have pieces to build around,

453
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: but they don't have the like star and maybe they

454
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: don't need it. Maybe that's coming in the system. They

455
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: have a bunch of pitching prospects coming up to co

456
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Speaker 2: Robe Quinn, Matt Views and the Cardinals. If there was,

457
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: you know, one thing they were super behind was developing pitching.

458
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: So this could be a turning point for them. Maybe

459
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: they go out and they trade for their next star.

460
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm so interested to see how much things change because

461
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: Mo has been here and I have a lot of

462
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: respect for what he's done in his career, but he's

463
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: been here for like two decades and it's been the

464
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: same voice in the same pun intended Mo motive uh

465
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: for a decade and a half. Right, So you're going

466
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: to have a brand new front office come in because

467
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: not only as Mo leaving, most people under him are

468
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: on expiring contracts and there's no really blueprint or no

469
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: one really knows if they're going to stay or if

470
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: they're going to go somewhere else, if Time's going to

471
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Speaker 2: keep them. So I'm not sure if they have their

472
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: next star in the system. They have a bunch of

473
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Speaker 2: ab above league average players that can allow them to

474
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Speaker 2: maybe jumpstart this runway and force them back into being competitive,

475
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: maybe earlier than they would have decided. But the first

476
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: thing that I'm going to look at if i'm him Bloom,

477
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Speaker 2: is am I going to go outside the organization to

478
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Speaker 2: find a star? Do they need a star? Because I'm

479
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: not sure that they have one currently on their major

480
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: league roster.

481
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Speaker 3: Kid, you'd laid all this out in your excellent coverage

482
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: in the Athletic like even going back to last year,

483
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: like you had great feel and instincts for this larger

484
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: story around the Cardinals. I mean two part question here,

485
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: these two kind of central figures, Like do you think

486
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 3: Moe will try on another team somewhere And do you

487
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: have a sense of what a Heim Bloom kind of

488
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: post red Sox experience, how he would kind of go

489
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 3: about reshaping the Cardinals. What are your kind of early

490
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: impressions on those two guys.

491
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Speaker 2: At this point, I don't know if Moe would take

492
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: on another team. I mean, I can't picture him leaving baseball,

493
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: so I know he might want to take a step

494
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: back after dedicating over half his life to the Saint

495
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Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals. But I can't see him, and this is

496
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: just my expect elation in my gut feel, I can't

497
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: see him leaving completely. I could see him. He's so smart.

498
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: I can see him maybe joining the business side of

499
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 2: the organization and kind of seeing where the Cardinals go

500
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: from there, because it has been a recession year and

501
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: he does really understand that side of the game super well.

502
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: Maybe he you know, do the Rockies need help? Yeah,

503
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: he's from so maybe, but I think the more likely

504
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: path is he takes a year off and then because

505
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: we're all suckers for paying, we usually come right back

506
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: to this sport and maybe he helps side And I

507
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: don't know what to expect from hein Bloom. I think

508
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: this organization needs a set of fresh eyes. I mean,

509
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: it can get when you have success for so long

510
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: as the Cardinals did, it can become almost just like

511
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: you know your daily routine. And for him to come

512
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: in and have such a modern view of the game.

513
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: We all know what he's done in player development and

514
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: how he's kind of modernized that aspect. We're familiar with

515
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: his work in Tampa, we know what happened in Boston.

516
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm one I'm curious to see just how much extension

517
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: ownership is going to give him from a payroll point.

518
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: I do think it's a little ironic where unfairly he's

519
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: known for trading Mookie Betts in Boston as one of

520
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: his big moves is one of his first moves in

521
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: Saint Louis going to be trading Nolan Arnatto Like that

522
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: is really not setting for all the success, but it

523
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: remains a possibility. So uh, you know, It's it's interesting

524
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: because I think we're both in a little bit of

525
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: front office holding patterns. What's the feel around Jed Hoyer,

526
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: a name that Cardinals fans know very well.

527
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it all depends on this year. What's happening right now?

528
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: There was talk what there's been talk Patrick for a

529
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: few weeks. People have been buzzing about does he should

530
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: he get an extension or their extension Talks's not talking

531
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: about that. He's not gonna He's not going to answer

532
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: questions about that we've asked. I I think it's all

533
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: about the playoffs and and if they if they continue

534
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: on this path, he's getting an extension. I think I

535
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: think he does deserves credit for kind of he had to.

536
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: He took on the hard job of tearing down the

537
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen team. THEO left and the system was kind

538
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: of barren, and Jed had to reshape a lot of

539
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: different departments. Did he make all the right moves? I

540
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: guess we're starting to see some progress. Obviously this season

541
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: is the first time we're really seeing the moves he

542
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: made bear some fruits. So I think he's going to

543
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: get extended. But if there's if something bad happens here

544
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: over the next couple of months that could mean his job.

545
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this season is all about it. We've been

546
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: talking about it all winter, Patrick and I. It's this season,

547
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: what happens. Playoffs are not dictates Jed's future. That's a

548
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: tough way to go about business. But you know, one

549
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: bad injury, one weird set of circumstances can dictate your future.

550
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: But that's that's the reality of the situation he's put

551
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: himself in. This team wasn't good enough for years and

552
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: now they finally look good. But it's just that the

553
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: margin of error type stuff where where you never know

554
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: what can happen and how how season can go sideways.

555
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Right now it looks fine, I would I think Patrick

556
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: and I would agree that that's he's back next year.

557
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: But it all, like I said, something goes wrong, the

558
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: discussion completely changes. I have no clue what direction they'd go,

559
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: because this is not the Mets or the Dodgers, where

560
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: someone like David Stearns or Andrew Freeman comes in and

561
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, look at what I've done on a

562
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: small market budget. Now I get, you know, three hundred

563
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: million to spend or whatever. That's not what the Cubs

564
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: do anymore. That's not the Cubs are not of financial behemoth,

565
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: not with their payroll. They just aren't. They're what are

566
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: they the thirteenth in payroll this season? Come on, like,

567
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: that's you know, yeah, so yeah, I think it. You know,

568
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a big question facing the team. It

569
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: feels like it felt like a couple of weeks ago

570
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: it was answered, and now they're they're in a little

571
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: bit of a slow so people are going to start

572
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: questioning everything. I would assume they pulled themselves out of

573
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: it and that question is answered soon enough.

574
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: A very stable industry that we work in. Awesome for

575
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: you guys, because I full disclosure love Showda. I mean

576
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: I sent your article about pitching against St. Louis to

577
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: the Cardinals PR staff and I sent it with like

578
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, I love him. I mean,

579
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: it's like a borderline unhealthy obsession where one of the

580
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: Japanese reporters last year came up to me and gave

581
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: me a Shoda baseball card and I kept it in

582
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: my ball all season. I don't know why I like

583
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: him so much, but I do, so I'm super excited

584
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: to see him on Thursday. How big is Shoda coming

585
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: back to the rotation for this Cubs team.

586
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: I mean it means everything. I mean, the their pitching

587
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: has been thin for a while now. They were able

588
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: to kind of compensate in different areas, but it's kind

589
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: of getting exposed. Uh, not just Ben Brown, although you

590
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: know he's been kind of the more obvious issue to

591
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: this point. You know, it wasn't an arm injury, so

592
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: the Cubs are hopeful that you can kind of slide

593
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: right back in there. But yeah, our memory, kadies, I

594
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: feel like you missed a bunch of its, Like he

595
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: just did not come up against the Cardinals that often,

596
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: or you weren't covering, you know, a particular series, and

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: I remember you saying you had missed him. But he

598
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: he does have that if factor, like you know, the

599
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: starting pitchers kind of uh been or has been very

600
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: much diminished over the years. But he's still one of

601
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: those few guys that has kind of the name recognition,

602
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: has that creativity. Uh definitely has like a flare and

603
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: a style uh to his game. So you know, I

604
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: think side of you know, you wrote it in the

605
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: preview that you guys, did you know if you had

606
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: kind of told us spring training that Justin Steele would

607
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: undergo major l elbow surgery like in April, and that

608
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: Shoto would miss I mean almost two months before the

609
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: Star break, and that the Cubs would be in first

610
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: place and rolling to a large extent. I don't think.

611
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I would have believed it.

612
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I'm still surprised by it. Honestly, it

613
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: was they were set up to collapse with those injuries,

614
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: and somehow that managed not to what one thing before

615
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: we go I just wanted to say, the Cardinals fans,

616
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: what when you described the team, Katie, it sounds so

617
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: similar to what we watched like the last the previous

618
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: two years with the Cubs, where a lot of good

619
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: players but just lacking that superstar talent. And I feel like, yes,

620
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: you can win, you can have a good season. I

621
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: think what at least what I felt like I learned

622
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: in twenty three and twenty four is look this that

623
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: team was good, That they were good talented players. To

624
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: have that superstar in the lineup, it brings some sort

625
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: of consistency to the group that keeps you from, you know,

626
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: getting in those really deep slumps that the Cubs suffered

627
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: last year in May and June. If I remember correctly,

628
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals look like I like a lot of

629
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: these players when they come up to bad it was

630
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: like non easy there's no there's nobody that looks like

631
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: there's where the pitcher can breathe real easily. And this

632
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: is you know, this isn't easy out. It doesn't seem

633
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: like there's multiple of those guys in this lineup. Uh,

634
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: but they do lack that superstar. I do think to

635
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: get to back to, you know, fearing the Cardinals, they

636
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: do need that. But I also think Cubs fans probably

637
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: need to be ready to possibly fear the Cardinals again,

638
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: not not to in the not it seemed like it

639
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: was going to be longer, but because they're just like

640
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: holding steady right now, it's like, maybe this isn't as

641
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: long as we thought it was going to be. I

642
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals could be back and pretty dangerous soon,

643
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: if I mean, they're giving them a run now. So

644
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: so it's not like I'm saying like way off in

645
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: the future. Maybe it's now. Maybe it's right now that

646
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: they're dangerous, but they could be even better and winning

647
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: this Central over and over again if things go right

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Speaker 1: and they find that star. That's that's just how I

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Speaker 1: feel about that team. They're They're different than the Brewers

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Speaker 1: the way they go out business. But these teams are

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Speaker 1: pesky for Cubs fans. They drive the nuts, I know that, uh,

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Speaker 1: in different ways. So so we'll see what the rest

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Speaker 1: of the series have has if if it goes south

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Speaker 1: for the Cubs, it's gonna be panic city for for

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Speaker 1: the for the fan base. Uh, it can't be for

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Speaker 1: the team. That's that's for sure, because they they they

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Speaker 1: and this is not a team that panics. But uh,

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Speaker 1: these these tough moments, especially uh in the in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the summer, the they can they can overwhelm

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Speaker 1: a fan base. We'll see what happens though. All Right, everyone,

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