1 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Growing up in the West, many of us as children 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: encounter strange myths and traditions. One of the most famous 3 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: is Santa Clause. But you know, the one that always 4 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: terrified me was the tooth fairy. Yes, yes, I had. 5 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: I had a a deep and abiding fear of the 6 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: tooth fairy. I didn't like losing teeth and I didn't 7 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: like touching metal. I never have. So the idea that 8 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: there would be someone who sneaks in and like switches 9 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: this tooth that I have to sleep on top of 10 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: with metal, you know, some in the under the cover 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: of dark. It's a perfect storm of nightmare fuel for 12 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: you and young Ben. It's true. It's true, nol, it's true. 13 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: What about you were you were you a tooth fairy kid? Yeah? Yeah, 14 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: and you know and being a dad myself. Um. By 15 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: the way, we need to a quick disclaimer here. Spoiler 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: alert for a certain child based things. Ah, yes, spoiler 17 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: alert for stuff that's on a need to know basis. 18 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, that's a good diplomatic way. So 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a countdown five, four, three to one. Yes, 20 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: So my kid just now figured out that the tooth 21 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: fairy is is is me and and her mom. Did 22 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: you get caught? No? I didn't. But it just finally 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: was like, she's like when she's at my house, she 24 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: gets a certain amount of money. She's a mom's house, 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: she gets a certain amount of money. And it kind 26 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: of started being like, wait a minute, what maybe that 27 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: was our fault. We should have coordinated a little bit better. 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, she was into it and I was about 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: it as well. Um, and I see the benefits of it. 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: But Robert Lamb from Stuff to Blow Your Mind made 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: a really good point about how with things like the 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, we do a really bad 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: job as a culture differentiating between like myth and tradition 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: has to be taken so literal and become like a 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: lie to children. I have. I have resented the Santa 36 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Claus lie for a long time, and I'm really happy 37 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: to be done with that because it really made me 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable and there's yeah, there's some double think. It's 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: so strange too, because on another podcast, Stuff they Want 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: you to Know, one of the points that haunted me 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: before for years on that show was most people growing 42 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: up in the US, just statistically speaking, the first conspiracy 43 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: theory they learn about is Santa Clause and the conspiracy 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: thing is reels. Can you like that changes the way 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: you think about authority and parents and anyone over ten? 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember Pete and Pete the Nickelodeon show Redheaded Others? 47 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: I love that. I just remember the tattoo. The tattoo, Yeah, 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: you would make your dance or whatever. But that show 49 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: also had a bunch of really cool guest appearances from 50 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: like interesting musicians like Michael Stipe. First place I ever 51 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: heard of who Iggy pop was. But in that show, 52 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: there's a thing called like the International Adult Conspiracy. I 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: believe it's what it's called. And that is exactly what 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff is. It is an agreed upon 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: the lie that you feed your children. And I just 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable with it because I'm like, is she gonna 57 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: ever trust anything? I say again, Yeah, especially if she 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: figures it out herself. And I never like come clean. Oh, 59 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: speaking of coming clean, it's time to introduce everybody to 60 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: our mutual favorite part of our show, super producer Casey 61 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Pegram Casey, I've got to ask, when did you figure 62 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: out that the tooth Fairy was not in fact a 63 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: supernatural creature. I think I figured it out pretty early 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: on and kind of kept up the illusions a little 65 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: bit very parents, well, my own financial benefits, That's what 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying, because once you stop believing, then the cash 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: dries up. What was your exchange rate for a tooth 68 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: if you don't mind me as, I want to say, 69 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: maybe five or ten bucks? Pretty rich. And if you 70 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: were a child in the United States, in you got 71 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: an average of three dollars and seventy cents per lost tooth. 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: And that's twenty jump over last year's rates rate of 73 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: three dollars a tooth. And it's interesting too because it's 74 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: obviously an average. So uh, some kids might get a 75 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: twenty spot for their tooth, some kids might just get 76 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: a buck. And I believe that that was tracked regionally 77 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: and that it was found that in the South where 78 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: we live, that's where the tooth fairy was the stingiest, uh, 79 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: And I believe up north is where they were a 80 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: bit more generous. Yeah, so this is weird. I'm not 81 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: gonna say who in my family. But there was also 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: a practice that I thought was normal, wherein it was 83 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: kind of a surprise or a gamble to see how 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: much money the tooth fairy would leave you, because our 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: tooth fairy in our family was like pretty uh, pretty discerning, 86 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: and so some teeth would get more money because they 87 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: were better somehow, like a canine tooth at a point 88 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: was considered you know, a nice it's like tulips. It 89 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: was like tulips, except with just this invisible fairy creature. Yeah. 90 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: And speaking of like, you know, tooth fairy money as 91 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: some sort of financial indicator, Delta Dental I believe we 92 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: actually go through through our company, UM, a dental insurance company, 93 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: actually tracked the average exchange for a tooth from two 94 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: thousands up to two thousand sixteen, and they correlated it 95 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: with the changes in the SNP five market and found 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: that it was pretty close. Oh wow, interesting and this 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: is super interesting, man. This is a lot of this 98 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: is from a fabulous article from our friends over at 99 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: Mental flaws UM. The tooth fairy inspired this researcher to 100 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: come up with something called tooth fairy science. Do you 101 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about that, man, Tooth fairy science. Yeah, 102 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: it's important, but it's not near as whimsical as it sounds. 103 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: An Air Force flight surgeon skeptic and critic of alternative 104 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: medicine named Dr Harriet Hall coined this term to essentially 105 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: describe the importance of making sure some event, object, or 106 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: phenomena is real before attempting to study it. That's right, 107 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: because the example here is if you are studying, uh, 108 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: the amount of money the tooth fairy leaves and averaging 109 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: it out. Um, you might think that you're just studying 110 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: the behavior of to the tooth fairy or tooth fairies. Um, 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: but what you're actually studying is the behavior of parents. 112 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: And so if you are studying a thing that doesn't 113 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: really exist, there might be another thing that is actually 114 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: doing the thing that you're studying that you even considered. 115 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: And so it's just an important way to create good 116 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: data and also to plan good studies. Yeah, and this 117 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: is interesting because we're we're looking at so many cultural 118 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: things that describe the tooth fairy. One of the things 119 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: that I think is fascinating it's when something we were 120 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: focusing on for this episode is the origin of the 121 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: tooth fairy. Because there there's so many things like Santa Claus, Christmas, trees, 122 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: the Easter bunny, things of that nature that we accept 123 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: growing up as normal, normal things. You know. Even though 124 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: uh many of these will be tied to a religious practice, 125 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: secular kids practice them too because Christmas or Hanukah. That 126 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is just cool, you know what 127 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean? And what I think will surprise a lot 128 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: of people here is that the origins of the tooth 129 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: fairy are at least the two fairs we understand it 130 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: in the US, the origins are fairly recent. We can 131 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: trace back ancient tales of tooth related rites of passage. 132 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: That stuff is really fascinating, like tooth tossing, the throwing 133 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: of the teeth, which is appears across several different cultures, 134 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: which is really interesting. The vikings did it, especially baby teeth? Yeah, yeah, 135 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: the offering of a tooth to a rat because it 136 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: would make your like a rat or a rodent of 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: some sort, because it was thought to ensure that the 138 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: child's teeth would grow strong. And that's really interesting when 139 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: we get into the modern day tooth fairy myth, or 140 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: at least the story that likely was the cause of 141 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: it um where the tooth fairy is in fact a rodent. Yes, yes, 142 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: it's true. So we know that, at least in Europe, 143 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: The ritual of of how to handle one's shed baby 144 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: teeth is global. There are just different rituals around it. 145 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: Like you said, nold, Uh. This tradition in your up 146 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: at least dates back to the earliest written records in 147 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: Norse and Northern European cultures, and during the Middle Ages, 148 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: there were superstitions about children's teeth, like you had to 149 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: burn your baby teeth to save a child from hardship 150 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: in the afterlife, or um, you would wear children's teeth 151 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: to bring you good luck in battle, or you would 152 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: bury teeth to hide them from witches. And it's interesting 153 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: because back then it was thought that if a witch 154 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: were to get ahold of your teeth, the which would 155 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: have power over you. It's kind of weird, right, it 156 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: is a little weird. So what's this? Uh, what's this 157 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: original story? Because we can kind of trace it back, right, 158 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: it's neat, but it's really cool because it kind of 159 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: incorporates some of the things we were just talking about. 160 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: So it turns out that the tooth fairy. The origins 161 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: of the tooth fairy date back to eighteenth century France, 162 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: when a fairy tale called oh boy trying to do 163 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: Casey proud la bon pet la bon petit slowly, so 164 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: he and what does that translate to, sir, It's like 165 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: the good little mouse. Oh, it's the good little mouse. 166 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: And it's the good little casey on the case. So 167 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: this is the story of le bon petit, the good mouse. 168 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: There is a an evil king who imprisons a good queen, 169 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: and the queen is sort of like a you know, 170 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: a snow white type figure. She can talk to the 171 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: animals and all that, and so she gets a little 172 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: mouse to help her out of this jam. That's right, 173 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: that's right. And the mouse, luckily for her, it turns 174 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: out not to just be an intelligent, plucky little rodent. Also, 175 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: the mouse is secretly a fairy and once revealed to 176 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: be a member of the fair folk or of faye uh, 177 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: the former mouse frees the queen and then knocks out 178 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: all of the king's teeth. Yis, at which point, as 179 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: because she would naturally do in fairy tale logic, he 180 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: hides these teeth under the king's pillow and then eventually, 181 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: as the king killed. So that's not creepy at all. Well, 182 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: we could do, you know, we I'm sure everyone listening 183 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: this has heard stories before about how much more morbid 184 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: and graphic the original version of fairy Tales are, you 185 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So don't let the patina of 186 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Disney feel good y fool you about the true nature 187 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: fairy tales. But that's fantastic, right, So this goes back 188 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: to what we're saying earlier about the cultural thing with rodents, 189 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: rodents and teeth and the sacrifice of teeth, the offering 190 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: up of teeth and the pillow even exactly. Yeah, so 191 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: let's fast forward a little bit to an especially pivotal 192 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: article that was written in nineteen eight. That's right, because 193 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: one of the earliest mentions of the tooth Fairy, which 194 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: that that is not the language used in in the play, right, No, 195 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: it's it's the cute little mouse fairy, right, their teeth 196 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: involved in the pillow, and that that kind of cements 197 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: the whole mythology of the tooth Fairy, but doesn't really 198 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: have a name yet. So in a column in the 199 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: Chicago Daily Tribune in nineteen o eight, uh called Household Hints, 200 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: somebody writes in and suggests that, um, I'm gonna quote it, 201 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: and this is also cribbing this from this mental flass 202 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: article that has a list of unexpected things about the 203 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: tooth Fairy. Um many a refractory child will allow a 204 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: loose tooth to be removed if he knows about the 205 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: tooth Fairy. If he takes his little tooth and puts 206 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: it under the pillow when he goes to bed, the 207 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: tooth Fairy will come in the night and take it away, 208 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: and in its place will leave some little gift. And 209 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: then you've got to play. That comes out in the 210 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: late twenties by Esther Watkins called The Tooth Fairy, and 211 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: that's history. And this was a rerelease of that original 212 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: French story, The Good Little Mouse. It was in English. 213 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: It was in ninety seven specifically, and this is where 214 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: the mouse Fairy character becomes cemented with some of the 215 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: imagery that we have seen before, the wings in particular, 216 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: and they're they're scattered references afterwards in around this time 217 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: to the Tooth Fairy in the first half of the 218 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: twentieth century, but it doesn't really hit its boom. It's 219 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell esque tipping point until after World War Two. 220 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: Because one of the most popular stories in call Your's 221 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: magazine in mentions the Tooth Fairy and this, you know, 222 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: this makes it a little bit more legitimate. But from 223 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: what what we found, the tooth fairy didn't even enter 224 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: uh in encyclopedia until what the late seventies, a very 225 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: modern American creation. M hmm. Yeah, it's much more recent 226 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: than you might think. And according to some who have 227 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: researched the history of the tooth fairies, such as Michael 228 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: Hingston over at Salon, we can't overestimate the amount of 229 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: influence corporations had over the creation of tooth fairy. So 230 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: we said, so, like, you know, the old story was 231 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Santa Claus before the Coca Cola Santa. The appearance of 232 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: Santa vary widely. He might be really skinny, his costume differed. 233 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: But once a soda company made this sort of uh pleasant, 234 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: ruddy cheeked guy who's always wearing the same costume, they 235 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: sort of codified this icon, first in the US and 236 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: now around the world. That's how people think of Santa 237 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: Claus often. So he puts the finger at a another 238 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: corporate entity. That sort of solidified the idea of the 239 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: tooth fairy. And you can find this article it's called 240 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: Don't Tell the Kids. The real history of the tooth fairy. 241 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: In this he delves into the work of perhaps the 242 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: most influential, most prominent tooth fairy scholar scholar, Yeah, tooth 243 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: fairy scholars, Rosemary Wells, right, exactly, Rosemary Wells. And she 244 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: saw what we've been seeing that the practice of you know, um, 245 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: dealing with teeth in a ritualistic way, I guess for 246 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: lack of about Yeah, I know, was a thing across cultures, 247 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: but there was precious little known about the the origins 248 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: of the tooth fairy. And she's the one who kind 249 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: of dug in and found a lot of this stuff 250 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: and really went to town. She interviewed all kinds of folks, 251 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: anthropologists and parents and kids, and came out with a 252 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: series of articles, um to get to the heart of 253 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: this mythical creature, the root character, the root, indeed the 254 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: root that was a joke from a previous episode. Yeah yeah, 255 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So she dove into this and became known 256 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: as like the global expert on these traditions, the evolution 257 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: of this in the zeitgeist. She even opened up the 258 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: tooth Fairy Museum in her home in Deerfield, Michigan. So 259 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: people who study this will tell you that there are 260 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: several factors that led to the tooth fairies um agreed 261 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: upon depiction here in the US. And first we should 262 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: mention for a long time, no one agreed with the 263 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: tooth fairy looked like right, that's right. It wasn't really 264 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: a prominent feature, which just kind of a winged, tiny 265 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: creature a thing that happened. Yeah, you know, especially since 266 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: the origins were it being a literal mouse, right, right, 267 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: So this changes a little bit the animation giant Disney 268 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: starts using fairies and fairy godmothers in the nineteen fifties 269 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of their films like Tinkerbell and Cinderella's right, 270 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: So you get this image of like, this is what 271 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: a fairy. It's not a long jump to just insert 272 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: that visual that Disney provided the public consciousness with and 273 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: there you got your tooth fairy. Yeah, it's like, hey see, 274 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: this is what a fairy looks like. Now that one 275 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: is just a tooth themed fairy lack of I've always 276 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: pictured the tooth Fairies being a Tinkerbell esque figure. Yeah 277 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: you know what, Uh, I'm right there with you, man. 278 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: There's there's another thing that happens here right around the 279 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: same time, because we said the tooth fairy didn't really 280 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: blow up till post World War two US. Right, that's 281 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: an economic boom, there's an increase in prosperity. If you're 282 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: living through the Great Depression, you might not have a 283 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: nickel to give a kid, Absolutely not, that would be 284 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: a frivolous use of a nickel. And then secondly, at 285 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: least as it's argued in Forbes magazine, uh, the child 286 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: centered view of the American family doesn't really come into 287 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: play until post World War two. Now again this is Forbes, 288 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: but the author argues that after World War Two it 289 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: became normal for parents to cater to their children, to 290 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: kind of dote on them, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, before 291 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: they have them, like working in the fields or whatever. 292 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: You know. There's an interesting idea here too, which is 293 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: equating a painful, scary experience for children to some sort 294 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: of reward, like you'd be brave, get that tooth out, 295 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: you got a dollar coming your way or a nickel 296 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: or whatever. Super capitalist not to mention, you can even 297 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: double down on that and make it about like hey, 298 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: if you brush your teeth thrill, well, the tooth fair 299 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: will give you more money or whatever. You know, nice parenting, 300 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: parenting jiu jitsu. That's a great move. I'm impressed with you, 301 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: so we I think we already taught. Now she knows 302 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm a dirty liar, so you know nothing. I say. Well, ever, 303 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: stand again. You tell her you're a dirty liar who 304 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: kept her teeth clean. It might be a Jack Nicholson 305 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: moment for you, like in that what was what's name 306 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: that film? A Few Good Men? You can't handle the tooth. 307 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: That's funny, that's cute. I like that. Speaking of handling 308 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: the teeth, that's another part of the whole Rigamar role. 309 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: Is you gotta kind of sneak in like a thief 310 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: in the night and and abscond with the tooth from 311 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: under your sleeping child's pillow and then shove it somewhere. 312 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: I have a drawer full of baby teeth somewhere. I 313 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: always pictured you as that kind of guy. Yeah, speaking 314 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: of that, though, you told me a really interesting story 315 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: about someone who stumbled upon a cash of teeth in 316 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: a building, in the walls of a building here in Georgia. Yes, 317 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: that's true. In October of this year in Valdosta, Georgia, 318 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: which is in South Georgia for people unfamiliar with the state. 319 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: There were some construction workers who were at the T B. 320 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: Converse building and they were trying to prepare the place 321 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: for the essentially trying to renovate it, and they wanted 322 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: to get it ready for a new commercial tenant. And 323 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: that's when they discovered around one thousand individual teeth buried 324 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: in a wall on the second floor. But the tooth 325 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: ferry were in fact real. Yeah, I know, you're just 326 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: shuddering your way through this one. I appreciate you sticking, 327 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: staying without a taking one for the team. But that 328 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: would be like the tooth fairies, like Burrow, like Den. 329 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps that's what they do with the teeth, right, that's 330 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: the to me as a kid, isn't it. What the 331 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: hell is that fairy doing with those teeth? Like the 332 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: bone collector right right? Like the bone Club any I mean, 333 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: if you think about it, this is a weirdly common trope, 334 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: like Cereal mascots, you know, like the Lucky Charms guy. 335 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: He's just taking all these charms. What's he doing with them? 336 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: It's freakish, you know. He's also really skinny too, so 337 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: he's always not eating at all. Yeah, yeah, and it's 338 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: not like the tooth fairy is putting the teeth in 339 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: its mouth and getting a bigger smile. Though that's a 340 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: great idea for a horror story, and there is in 341 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: fact a spooky tooth fairy. I believe, not to mention 342 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: a silly tooth fairy starring the Rock and then subsequent 343 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: I believe, straight to video sequels Larry the Cable Guy. 344 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: So I would love to see Tom Waits's tooth fairy. 345 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: It's like a haggard old wizard with like tiny wings 346 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: and he comes in. He's like, gotta keep quiet, Mr Pocket. Yes, 347 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: you guys haven't seen Tom Waits in the ballot of 348 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: Busters Cross. We gotta let it go. Absolute delight. So 349 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we we have learned a lot here. 350 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: The tooth Fairy is, at least the way we understand 351 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: it is so much more recent. It's that prospollination of 352 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: this mouse that sneaks into a kid's bedroom, and then 353 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: this general idea of the quote unquote good fairy. Right, 354 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: we just sort of smushed them together America style melt 355 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: melt there we go, Yeah, we fond dude it and 356 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: then it caught on and spread like wildfire. I feel 357 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: like there's also an economic aspect to this too, you 358 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's not like put your teeth 359 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: under your pillow and you get to spend more time 360 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: with your loved ones. It's put your teeth on your pillow. 361 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: Here's three dollars and seventy cents. Yeah, and and those 362 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: dollars in nickels and tens and twenties, and guy, I 363 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: wonder for any kids ever got a hundred? Surely, surely, yeah, 364 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: somewhere must be nice anyway. Yeah, add up to two 365 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six million dollars um. That is is bonkers. Yeah, 366 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: and there's okay. I found the quote that I wanted 367 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: to I wanted to us to hear about the economic part. 368 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: And I appreciate you putting in that huge number, that 369 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: statistic for us. So, going back to Christina and Kilgrove's 370 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: article in Forbes, she says the tooth Fairy holds a 371 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: shorter and less visible pedigree than Santa Claus, but her 372 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: macro economic function in today's society differs only in degree. 373 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Santa Clauss promises pre monetary goodness gets you barbies or 374 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: a Rambo doll. The tooth fairies promises more modern anything, 375 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: even your own body, can be turned into gold. That, 376 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: in its final reductive wisdom, is precisely the vaunted magic 377 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: of free enterprise. That is dark and spot on. Actually, man, 378 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: do you want to rattle off a couple of these, 379 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: uh other maybe non monetary traditions at the end here 380 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: or should we just leave it with that amazing quote? 381 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. Let's maybe we can find 382 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: something a little less dark dark. Yeah, let's talk about 383 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: some of the other traditions that persist. Let's travel around 384 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: the world. So we've been to the United States, but 385 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: we talked about we we talked about tooth tossing, right, Yeah, 386 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: it's true in countries like Turkey and even Greece or Mexico. Um, 387 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: kids throw their teeth onto the roof. Why, I don't know, 388 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: that's where they belong. Good, good luck, I guess I'm 389 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: not sure. Ben. You mentioned something earlier about how it 390 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: would uh maybe encourage healthy growth of adult teeth. But 391 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: in the Philippines, Korea, India, and Vietnam, only the lower 392 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: teeth get tossed. Oh, I remember this, because the upper 393 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: teeth go on the floor and the idea is that 394 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: through I guess, sympathetic magic or attraction, the new tooth 395 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: will grow toward the old one. Smart makes sense, right, 396 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: it does make sense. Uh. And then there are other 397 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: tooth tossing things where sometimes the kid will yell out 398 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: a wish while they're tossing a tooth, which makes I 399 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: guess makes more sense to me for some reason, because 400 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: it feels like an exchange, very instant exchange. Well, I 401 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: don't have a tooth to throw, Ben, but I wish 402 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: we could just keep talking about teeth forever. But I 403 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: don't think you make it. You're shuddering at this point. 404 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: You're you're literally you're in a cold sweat. Yeah, but 405 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: we're doing this for the ridiculous historians. I'm doing it 406 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: for you all throughout Central Asia. If you have a 407 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: kid that loses a tooth, remember it's traditional to put 408 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: the tooth into some fat and feed it to a dog. 409 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: Please don't try that. I don't know how a dog 410 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: would digest a tooth. This is done because the idea 411 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: is that the grown up tooth that replaces it will 412 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: be as strong as a dog's tooth, and if there's 413 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: no dog around, bury it by a tree so that 414 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: the new tooth and strong roots. That's that's that's a 415 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: quote from a mental flossol. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. So 416 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: do you have kids, how did you handle the tooth 417 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: fairy growing up? You know what I mean? I'd love 418 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: to hear from people who didn't really have it as 419 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: a thing in their house, because not everybody does. Absolutely, 420 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: Or if you're a parent, how do you feel about 421 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: the tooth fairy? Lie? Let us know. You can write 422 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: to us a ridiculous at how stuff works dot com, 423 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: where you can hit us up on our Facebook group, 424 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: the Ridiculous Historians, where we just have a good old 425 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: time hanging out by the Internet fire, you know, warming ourselves, 426 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: burning our teeth, drinking hot cocoa together with the other 427 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians that hang out. There's a lot of fun. 428 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: Casey gets on, Jonathan strict On, the the quister gets on, 429 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: or as you like to call him, Ben the Quizzler, 430 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: just to take him down to pat you gotta take 431 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: a down when he gets big. He is a hotty boy. 432 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes he gets big, a little too big, a little big, 433 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: little big. So thanks also to Alex Williams, you can 434 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: pose our track thanks to you, Noel Brown. Uh and 435 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're doing a pretty solid job navigating 436 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: the ethically fraught path of parenthood. Well, you know, when 437 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: it all came out, she definitely didn't hate me or 438 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: distrust me, So I guess I'm doing okay. We'll see 439 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: you next time, Fox,