WEBVTT - Ep. 145 - Geoff Shackelford 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.360 Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host, 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.600 Shane Bacon, and did appears that golf is back, because 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.200 at least that's what people are telling me. Of course, 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.120 we've got Tory Pines this week and the waste management 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.079 and we got Riviera, so it's kind of back to 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.720 back to back, fun exciting events. And since Tory is here, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.200 I figured who better to talk to than Jeff Shackelford. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.640 Of course, the guy that lives in California, spends a 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.320 lot of time on that coast around those golf courses, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.360 knows everybody of grass that's moved year to year, and 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.559 so had him on for a lengthy chat. I mean, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.120 we touched on keptco versus Rory and Tiger Woods and 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.360 the return and the golf course and the changes as 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.120 we get set for the US Open there next year 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.360 at Torrey Pines. What kind of player might have some 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.760 success this week considering the distance changes, how seventeen has 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:51.680 been moved, some of the other holes there at Tory South, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.200 and a lot more. It was a great discussion, fun discussion. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.480 Always love having Jeff Shackford on. You're gonna hear some 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:02.520 background noise to start. That's Xander Shafley's press conference in 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.600 the background. This is what happens when you have guys 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.840 on the grounds in the media center talking about the 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.360 event that week, so you hear a little bit of 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.039 Zana in the background. Shack was great muted his phone 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.800 at times, but that's what you're gonna hear. It shouldn't 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.960 affect the podcast at all. Honestly, I barely heard it 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.080 as I was talking to him with my cans on, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.200 so hopefully it's not an issue. But I think you'll 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.520 enjoy the conversation because Shacks always great to have on. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.240 Stay till the end because we have a discussion about 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:37.840 mixed events changing, possibly what the Olympics look like, especially 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.640 if Tiger Woods isn't involved. I know we're a long 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.840 ways away from the Olympics and there's a lot more 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.240 golf to talk about, but we just ventured into that 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.840 world for a moment, and I just thought we had 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.560 a fun conversation about some changes that could make certain 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.240 events better, and how much fun team events are every 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.600 single time we have them, and how much fun team 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.920 events are for us, for the average golfer, for the 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.080 regular golfer that gets a chance to go out and 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.480 play with a buddy or a member at a club 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.720 that they get paired with or whatever you play, alternate 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:13.240 shot or best ball, scramble, whatever you play, whatever format 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.120 it is, it's just more fun to have a partner, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.200 more fun to have a teammate. So stay till the 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.240 end because we talked a little bit about that and 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.360 maybe some changes the President's Cup could have, and I 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.320 just I enjoyed it. I thought it was great. I 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.040 thought there was some good points brought up. I think 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.920 you'll enjoy it as well. Keep your eyes out on 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.400 social media at Shane Bacon on Instagram at Shane Bacon. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:35.160 I have a pre qualifier for the Monday qualifier into 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.880 the waste Management on Thursday, So when you're listening to this, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.080 I'll probably already be out on the golf course at 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.680 McCormick Ranch playing. I'm gonna have my push cart, my 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.079 push cart with a seat on it. And always important 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.919 if you're gonna do this and go as far old 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.360 guy as I've gone, as you also got to purchase 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.000 the seat cover. You've got to get the cushioned seat 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.880 cover to go on top of the seat that's attached 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.200 to your push cart. Just do it. Don't worry about 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.760 what people are gonna say. I had so many people. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.320 I posted my push cart on Instagram on Friday. I 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.480 play in a Friday game at Dobson Ranch every week 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.600 when I'm home. It's a great money game. There's some 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.960 hundred players that play in it. And I posted a 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.040 picture of my my push cart with my seat on it. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.239 And I get so many people, many ninety and you 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.400 get all these people chattering on social media about it. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.600 You know what I don't What doesn't bother me. You 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.359 know it's never gonna bother me is being comfortable, rested, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.720 and happy. And that's what my push card does for me. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.120 We're best friends. We love each other. I believe it 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.640 loves me. I sure love it. And um, you know what, 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.480 if you make fun of me on social media, that's 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.000 really your problem. That's your insecurity is not mine. I 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.800 will sit on my seat when I can. I will 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.000 take the load off whenever. And also I when I'm 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.760 gonna rank real quick before we get the Shackford. I'm 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.120 gonna rank now as a thirty six year old man. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.160 My three favorite ways to golf, and I'm not including 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.120 caddy because Catty is the obviously answer. Anytime you give 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.720 a catty, it's the best caddies off the board. Number 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.480 one push cart just it's the best. The push card 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.760 is the best. It's the best option out there. You 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.280 don't have to carry the bag. You don't have one show. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.880 I'm a one shoulder carrier, so always one shoulder is 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.800 a little more tired than the other. Push cards number one, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.760 carrying the bags number two and cart is three. I 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.000 would say two years ago those would have been completely flipped. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.320 I was a card guy a road and uh and 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.160 now at the club I play at and and most 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:27.480 of the time I'm out on the golf course, I'm 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.200 carrying my bag. I couldn't even tell you the last 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.400 time I've written in a cart, which is a surprise. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:32.960 Actually I know what it was. It was media, Davie. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.280 That's okay. Those you're always in a cart in the 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.360 media to day. But I just love the push cart 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.600 and then carrying the bag and then golf cart. Those 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.480 are my rankings. That's what you get here on the clubhouse. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.119 Let's get to our guest and we welcome back into 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.320 the club house. One of my favorite people in all 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.040 of golf, Jeff Shackleford Golf Channel contributor of course, runs 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.680 what I would say has withstood the test of time 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.000 as the best golf website out there, Jeff Shackleford dot com. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.359 And I'm not just saying at to perk you up, Jeff. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.640 I know you're at Torry Pines. People can probably hear 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.000 some of the announcements in the backgrounds, maybe some some 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.120 jets flying over as we chat. You are there throughout 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.520 the week. I know you've talked a lot about the 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.039 golf course since the changes. We'll get into that, but 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.800 you're fresh off Rory McIlroy press conference, and I want 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.159 to start with this, and it's a little heavy hitted, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.960 so let's go with it. I feel like two thousand 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:28.680 twenty the storyline that leads all storylines even more than 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.760 than Tiger and what Tiger is gonna do, And of 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.080 course we continue to get pushed this is you gonna 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.679 win eighty three storyline? Is I feel like two thousand 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.159 twenty for golf fans and golf people alike, is Brooks 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.960 versus Rory. And I just wanted to ask to start 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.920 did Rory speak at all about Brooks Koepka and what's 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 kind of gone on as they're back and forth continues, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.800 and it's great entertainment for people like you and I 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.880 because when you're talking of the two best golfers right now, 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.120 they sure seem like one and two and the order 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.320 can be debated. Well, thank you for I mean that 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:05.719 great introduction. I guess the I don't disagree that they're 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.400 likely to be the story, especially since sports seems he's 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.679 come back and shown that he's physically fit and ready 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.719 to go, and there aren't any major issues with the knee. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.920 But you know, when the rivalry word comes out, and 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.479 then right now, there's no reason to call a path. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:29.240 They don't uh dislike each other in any significant way, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.360 and they don't play the same events enough for it 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.560 to be a rivalry. Um. But yeah, they're the two 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.760 players you're expecting. That's Xander Shotley talking in the background. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.440 I hope it's not too loud. Um he uh yeah, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.680 I worry. I didn't really even know he had a 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.920 chance to take the number one spot this week. Now, 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.440 whether that's a story about whether we inflace the rankings 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.760 too much or not, I don't know. Um, but he 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.440 I don't think he's that focused on Brooks or the 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.760 number one thing. He's focused on each tournament he's playing 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.960 in and just trying to win and with a big 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.479 picture goal obviously of the major champions whip. So I 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.960 think those I think it's a chance. But Tigers looking 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.880 awfully good, and it's hard to imagine that he isn't 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:19.040 always a bigger story when he plays, because he's he's 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.640 on form and he doesn't play that off until we're 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.320 easier too to know what he's doing when he does play. Yeah, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.640 it's it's interesting with the Tiger thing. You know, he's 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.680 making his first start this weekend. We'll get into Tiger. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.000 You know, two thousand twenty already a winner in this 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.400 wrap around season that seems never in And I love 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:35.920 the fact that he took a long time away from 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.480 the golf course, but just going back to to Rory 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.320 and keepka for a moment. You know, golf in sports, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.720 when they're at their best, have rivalries and they have players, teams, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.600 whatever you want to call it, that aren't big fans 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.440 of each other. And you said it earlier, it's not 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.960 like these two guys don't. Then it's not like they 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.080 don't like each other. They're they're fine with each other. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.600 I think they respect each other. But the thing that 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.120 I feel like we have ruing is we have these 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.760 two young guys that have ungodly talent. They both at 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.560 the ball forever. They have different looks to it, but 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.800 basically means to an end are very very similar. It's 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.240 been a long time since we're when a major. Kepka 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.120 has been really just dominant in the majors throughout his 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.360 career the last few years. I feel like as we 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.720 get going this week, you know, into the Masters and 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.880 the players in the US Open and the p GA 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.480 on down the line, there's a chance for this to 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.400 set up to actually be something. And when you think 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:37.720 about rivalries that we've had the last thirty years, you know, 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.600 you could circle Phil Tiger, but it wasn't really a rivalry. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.760 I mean Phil and Tiger at times, you know, early on, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.520 Tiger just beat his brains in and then lately it's 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.680 been filled that's actually taken Tiger to task when they've 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.679 been paired together, But we never really got you know, Tiger, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.680 Phil playing great golf at insert US Open golf course. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.720 And I'm hoping, at least maybe it's just me hoping 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.360 for this to happen. But these two guys had years 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.360 that were great. They were one two in voting for 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.200 Player of the Year. However, you want to dissect that. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.320 And we're going into a season where Rory has looked 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.000 as good as he looked since he was playing so 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.160 well in two and kepcas Kapka and he's a guy 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.720 that seems to bring it at the big stages. So 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.560 I just wonder as we get going with the Rory 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.120 season this year right now in California, there's a chance 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.440 that this can continue on and that to me is 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.480 the best case scenario for golf moving forward in terms 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.880 of storylines, even over Tiger, because as we all know, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.360 Tiger is in his mid forties and him winning stuff 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.520 is great and it's gonna bring eyeballs to the sport, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.079 but it's not gonna stay there forever. No, it definitely 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.400 is not. And yes, I mean I think to your point, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.160 I would look more to Florida for this this to 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.720 start to perk up. I don't have a great feeling 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.920 for Brooks on Paula Greens on the West coast, although 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.240 you nearly want a couple beach, but he is gonna 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.040 play Riviera, which is incredible. We're gonna have the top 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.000 five players in the world. They're hopefully the weather cooperates. Um. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.960 But I think it's in Florida in the run up 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.720 to the Master's where it couldn't get insting. It's just 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:14.600 whether Brookston rise to the level he doesn't. Major championships 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.520 and those those regular tour events. I think it is 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.840 something that's probably a goal of is because it is 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.280 so bizarre. We're just not used to a player doing 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.320 what he does, which is to just sort of play 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.760 and then and then suddenly take it up multiple notches. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.760 In a major it's usually the other way around and 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.040 Rory Um. It was a little bit guilty of that 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:40.040 at a few times last year. Um. Great everywhere, but 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.880 the major championships so um. But to your point, I 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.480 do think it would be wonderful we have such a 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.040 you know, the way the games played now, with the 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.400 equipment and all the things going on, the power game, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.040 the number of people, the wisdom that they are fed, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.520 it just has made it. It's neutralize things so much, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.839 and to me, not a great way in the sense 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:08.160 that the elite players are having a harder time separating 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.440 themselves and dominating and those two have still managed to 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.400 do it in spite of the factors. So the sport 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.720 definitely needs just some continuity there in terms of star power. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.680 And that's my nice way of saying, not a rivalry, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:27.160 but just some consistency and seeing some people atop some 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.920 leaderboards who are both trying to beat each other, and 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.440 it would be a lot of fun. And and and 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.160 I think they're although a lot of people. I think 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.880 that the components of this is that there is a 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.959 Brooks can be kind of the villain to Rory's a 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.560 nice guy, and I think that helps. Maybe that's why 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.040 people keep looking at these two, besides obviously what they've 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.480 done on the golf course. I as a media person, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.520 of course, he loves books because he provides us moreliners 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.200 and he surprises you. In fact, you really have to 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.680 listen closely to his press conferences because he can so 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.960 told you to sleep with that monotone. You just think 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.319 he's he's just not there, and then you know that 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.199 you go back and you read the copy and Adam 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.000 Scott is this only the opposite. He's He's just says 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.720 really profound things, but he says them slowly and carefully, 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.640 and he doesn't say like and you know a million 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.880 times and you go, oh wow, that was really that 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.960 was really fantastic. And Brooks is just more of the 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.280 monotone throws you off, But then he throws these singers 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.960 and he has no fear of getting into it with 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.280 other other guys who he's kind of a delayed by. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.599 And I love that. I mean, we need that that 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.520 the people who don't like him, I go, well, I 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.280 get you know, and you've got an edge to him 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.079 and he's not your favorite, but it's just nice to 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.120 have variety and a variety of styles and personalities. Um. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.800 And then Rory's just getting more and more likable. He's 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:56.000 so bright, he's well read. His press commerce today just 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:00.320 gave gave so much insight. Um, none of that edge 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.319 of like I don't want to reveal my secrets and 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:07.280 my team. Um, he's changed so much in that sense. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.120 You know, he used to kind of dream of being 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.040 sort of a the proper star and then having the 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.640 proper car to pull up in and and the vanity 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:20.000 weightlifting and and he's just gone so the other direction 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:24.600 now and basically all those categories and is he the 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.480 most uniques and fun to follow? Yeah, is Rory the 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:33.120 most unique player? And I'm gonna say player in I 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.600 know you you are going to kind of associate that 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.800 with with a great player. I mean a guy that 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.439 we want to talk to, a guy that we want 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.080 to ask questions to, and a guy we want to 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.600 listen to talk. Is he the most unique player in 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.640 this sport that you've heard just speak in your years 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.199 of covering golf, probably, and that he is the most 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.880 open and he always has been. And he's gotten in 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.320 trouble at times, which he's admitted or he's he felt 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.800 like he's too much, and yet it hasn't really changed him. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.360 Whereas for ence to speed, obviously, he's struggling a little 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.280 with his game, so he's not in the greatest mood 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.280 to talk to about his game. But he is somebody 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.120 who's now making an effort to really give away less 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.600 because he just somebody told him he said too much 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.560 with I don't know who did. It's disappointing because I 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.400 can listen to speech and he just kind of goes 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.880 deep on peeky golf stuff all day long and and 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.240 really enjoy it. And he doesn't get enough chances to 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:33.560 do that. Rory just he's just very genuine and even 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.800 though he's gone through these things that it's not only 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.080 not changed him, if it or if it has changed him, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.160 it's changed him for the better. He's just sort of 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.360 he's what you see up and these press commences and 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.080 interviews and um, there's there's just no guard. There's no 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.720 bs and um, you know, Tiger still has a little 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.320 bit of a guard up and and and so it's 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.680 wonderful obviously, and why he's beloved by the by the 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.360 British press and buy us over here and by fans, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.440 and because fans recognize these things, and I don't think 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.840 they give enough credit to the things they recognize. And 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.000 it's one thing that if we ever could get time 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.160 with the players to explain to them that, you know, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.960 people really notice the stuff and they just put such 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.000 a guard up now discussing their games, and it makes 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.640 them so much less interesting. They realize that that they 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.520 get that, I think from their agents and just tell 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.800 them everybody's got to get you and I'm able to 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.920 protect you. And then then it leads to this, you know, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.520 this kind of attitude they have. Yeah, you really missed 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.320 an opportunity there to just answer no, the no, Bryson 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.720 is the most interesting that you've had a chance to cover. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.960 You had a chance there to just throw Bryson out 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.400 there for everybody to to die. Well, yeah, but it's 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.960 an interview with him is really a struggle. I mean 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.080 I got a good look at his the work he's 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.520 done on his back because at the Bahamas I that 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.360 was the only as after his round. I just we 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.880 were trying to interview him about something very very very 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.120 blame the new Puma shirts that they were wearing just 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.040 have they had the collection with the turtle thing, and 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.760 we were trying to you know, keep it light and 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.280 and then he did not stop, so we followed him 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.880 to the parking lot. So I got a good look 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.120 at the back. The back muscles are very you know, 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.960 protruding ish. But never really got to stop him to act. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.600 They have a conversation. So he's I love him. I 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.520 think he's grateful the sport and fascinating and so nice 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.480 to have variety of people and their views and and 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:45.560 be a little kookie. But but he's he's increasingly tough 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.080 to pin down for the twenty seconds and um, and 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.760 it's too bad because he is interesting. Yeah, he's just 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:57.720 gonna ask him virtually anything. I've decided. He's like a 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.240 young Gary player in terms of just asking him a 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:02.960 question and then they can just kind of take it 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.920 wherever they want. I feel like that's what you get 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.520 with the shambo. It's hey, what do you think about 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.439 the astros? And let's just see where he goes, you know, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.520 and and and you know what, he even if he 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.239 doesn't have a take, he's going to make one up, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.960 which I appreciate. And it might not even make any sense, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.280 but I appreciate where he goes with it. Yeah, and 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.359 even well, most of the best ones will do that, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.160 and I you know, we did that. We had Justin 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.960 Roso yesterday and I threw a question out. He didn't 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.280 quite answer it, but what he gave was kind of 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.920 something you clearly he wanted to talk about. He he 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.119 kind of wanted to let it be known that Folly 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.760 has Sean. Folly is ditched, and I gotta go find 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.359 him this afternoon. He was too busy teaching yesterday, but 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:46.639 Powys ditched. The track man and Justin and and Sean 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.320 had been exchanging iPhone videos of his swing, so it 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.280 was kind of fascinating to again geeky world where these 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.119 guys now all travel with the track man. And then 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.920 here's the guy who was really one of the first 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.520 instructors to swear by the thing and one of the 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.960 first players to literally send numbers and they did. I 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.560 remember interviewing them about that. They just used to email members. Well, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.040 now they're back to looking at things visually and trying 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.960 to find a place where they thought Justin was best. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.440 And he kind of wanted to share that it didn't 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:17.840 really have much to do with the question I asked, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.800 but it was fantastic, so and I don't think that personally, 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.800 guys do that a lot of times. You throw a 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.359 question out just to let them get whatever it is 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.640 off the chest, and that at least sounds like you're 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.560 trying to do your job as opposed to just think, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.000 uh rory, so what do you want to what do 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.280 you want to talk to us about today? Talk about 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.960 talk about your week? Yeah, well, that's my my least 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.440 favorite way to start a question, which you hear all 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.040 the time, and I'm sure you're in your television work 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.440 you get screened after doing so, but talk about either 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.000 talk about or starting a question with how is is 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.879 puts people in a spot to give up. You know, 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.960 how how great are you? Um, you know how magnificous 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.840 and are today after shooting existed forwards? Just so what 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.960 are they gonna say something to answer out sounding like 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:11.000 a course? So this golf course. You are a guy 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.760 that knows a lot about architecture and building golf courses 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.600 and changing golf courses. This is a golf course that 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.360 feels like it's ever changing. And I talked to this week. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.200 I've talked to a couple of PGA Tour players. They're saying, 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.399 the back nine, now, is it close to four thousand yards? 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.800 Just the back nine alone? I mean, this is sea level, Jeff, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.960 This this is gonna be forever. You know, it's a 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.639 good question. The scorecard we have out in the media 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.800 center is the old one, so I have not seen 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.880 the new. But seven teams just got a little bit 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.840 longer and a lot suffer. Um you know, they added, yeah, 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.760 a couple more teas on the back nine. So yeah, 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.800 I could see course thousand and then there's uh, we 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.280 had a little bit of rain on Monday night. It 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.000 was actually a really nice firmness on Monday afternoon when 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.800 I walked around and uh, and that that just took 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.399 a little bit of a roll out of a place, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.000 not that there was in the plot was gonna be 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.560 running much anyway, But yeah, it's a beast. The fourth 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.040 hall is tougher. You know. The big change this year 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.080 is the seventeen call really gets the canyon in place. Finally, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.800 it's not out of bounds down the left. Most of 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.159 my life it was lost. It was not marked as 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.639 a funnelty area or hazard ends. Um. So that's a 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.320