WEBVTT - Jimmy Kimmel Talks ABC Suspension and State of Late-Night TV 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:07.040 Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:08.440 Thanks for being here. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.879 I know it's been a weird few weeks, has it. Yeah, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.760 I can sell. I want to start at the beginning, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:15.360 if we can. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.959 When I was born. Yes, it was in a manger. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.279 Well, so since you brought it up, we're going to 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.360 talk about everything that happened. Have you listened to this 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.119 AI podcast about your life? 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.720 No? I found it doing some research. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.200 They have an AI voice that just narrates that The 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.920 first episode is your life until you get hired on ABC, 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.800 The second episode is your career at ABC until recently, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.440 and the third episode is very recent. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:40.239 We can fact check it. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.360 Does it have the details of my divorce? No, but 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.120 it does have a line. The Kimmels weren't wealthy, but 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.960 they weren't struggling either. They were in that sweet spot 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.000 of American middle class life where dreams seemed achievable and 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.040 laughter came easily around the dinner table. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:03.880 It's pretty spot on. This AI is terrified. How long 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:04.440 after the. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.319 Initial episode where you made the comments about the assassination 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.640 of Charlie Kirk the Monday episode? Yeah, did you realize 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.959 there was a problem. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.399 I didn't think there was a big problem. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.039 I you know, I just saw it as distortion on 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.520 the part of some of the right wing media networks, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.800 and I was I aimed to correct it. I have 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.000 problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.440 because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.520 and then it turns into a big problem. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.520 And then sometimes it goes the other. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.000 Way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.280 be a problem nobody really notices. And so at what 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.800 point did you realize this was a problem. I think 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:53.960 when they pulled the show off the air, Well, that's unusual. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.480 Yeah, And what were the conversations that Data and Bob 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:58.200 that led to that. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.200 I hate to disappoint you, but they were really good conversations. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.280 I'm not actinking, I mean really really good conversations. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:09.880 They are. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.560 These are people that I've known for a long time 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.320 and who I like very much, and who were you know, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.240 who wanted we all wanted this to work out best. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.480 And I will tell you like, I mean, first of all, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.120 I ruined Dana's weekend. It was just NonStop phone calls 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.000 all weekend. But I don't think what I don't think 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.320 the result, which I think turned out to be very positive. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.960 Would have been as positive if I hadn't talked to 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.000 Dana as much as I did, because it helped me 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.160 think everything through and it helped me just kind of 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.639 understand where everyone was coming from. I can sometimes be reactionary, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.720 I can sometimes be aggressive, and I can sometimes be unpleasant, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.200 and I think that. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:56.360 It helped me. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.480 Really having those days to think about it was helpful. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.399 I have a dumb question about this as someone who 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.119 is kind of reporting on it in real time, trying 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.920 to figure out what's happening. So the show goes up there, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.200 you have all these conversations, and when you made it 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:15.880 or when you all made a decision put the show 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.360 back on the air, as my understanding of the time was, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.560 it still wasn't exactly clear what you were going to say. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.880 They still hadn't resolved the issues at the affiliates. So 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.360 what are the what do you resolve in those conversations 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.320 to know you're going back if you haven't figured out 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:31.919 a lot of the things that come out of it. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.440 I think just the spirit of what I'm going to 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.080 say rather than specifically what I was going to say, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.200 And I think that's something that we all agreed on 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:47.560 and I think that ultimately, I wanted to kind of 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.840 cover every base if I could, and sometimes you can 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.720 do that and sometimes you can't do that. And it 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.800 was something really that had to come from inside me. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.119 It had to be truthful, and I had to lay 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.080 it all out there and just be honest about what 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.400 I was feeling and what I'd experienced. And I think 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.200 I did, and I think that it probably went about 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.800 as well as it could go. I knew that it 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.880 wasn't going to be perfect, and there were always going 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.000 to be people that didn't like it and didn't accept it. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:25.279 But the important thing to me was that I was 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:31.000 able to explain what I was saying, what I was 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:31.800 trying to say. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.479 If you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.200 I didn't feel like it anywhere It was intentionally and 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.440 I think maliciously mischaracterized. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:42.640 Yeah did you? 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.799 I mean, do you feel like you have become more 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.920 political in your commentary on the show over the course 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:50.600 of hosting it. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.080 What do you think? I think? 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.159 I think if you talked to me when my first 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.360 interaction with Timmy Kimmel was the man yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.320 which is you and Corolla at this point, as best 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.240 I can tell around and complete opposite ends of the 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.800 political spectrum, but still friends. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:08.359 Yeah. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:16.680 Yeah, and it's you know, it feels like you became 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.240 far more comfortable and insistent on talking not just about politics, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.480 but about personal things. Maybe because you got older, maybe 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.599 because you've got more comfortable in the role, Maybe because 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:27.839 the world around has changed. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.679 All of those things. Yeah, all of those things, for sure. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.680 I think maturity is part of it. I think you 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.039 figure out who you are. I think that when I 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.400 started the show, I was mostly my homepage was ESPN 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.520 dot com. It's kind of all I really cared about 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.120 was We've been a radio sports guy. I've been a 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.720 sports guy. I did football picks on Fox NFL Sunday 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:49.320 for years. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.480 In radio, Yeah, I was on k Rock with Kevin 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:52.840 and Bean. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.800 I was mostly interested in sports, and I was interested 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.000 in politics. I've always been a you know, even as 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.359 a kid. My parents are very liberal. I've been a 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.479 Democrat since I was a little boy. I think the 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:08.520 first like political cartoon I ever drew was of Jimmy 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.320 Carter and John Anderson. You know, It's like I was 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.960 like twelve or something, and I've always been interested in politics, 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:21.159 but I was never a particularly political person. I also 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.000 think maybe maybe he did, but maybe he didn't have 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.760 to be back then, you know. I mean, I think 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.760 this is a very different situation. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:28.120 That we're in now. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.880 And also my job, as I see it, is to 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.040 talk about the news of the day, and these are 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.279 the big stories of the day pretty much every day. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.760 And how much of that, Like, can you see a 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.640 difference because we're in Trump too? 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:45.880 Do you feel like it was. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.080 The need to talk about politics is greater when he 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.200 has been president as opposed to when other people, like, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.560 cause you started when Bush was president, then you had Obama, Trump, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.760 Biden Trump. It does feel I think they've got more 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.719 political over time. But do you think it is also 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.479 sort of a I don't want to use the word quirk, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.520 but a facet of Trump and his relationship at the media. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.000 Yeah, I mean, he's on TV all day every day, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.640 so he gives us a lot to use to deal with. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.320 You know, that's unusual. That's not how it used to be. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.760 You occasionally get a video of George Bush, like walking 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.320 the wrong way on stage, and then you'd make a 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.640 week out of it, you know, or or somebody trips. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.320 Or something like that. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.120 But now it's just you hear him, you see him, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:38.960 you He's just presented himself so frequently at it makes it. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.640 It's just more digestible, and. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.640 It's more digestible and less digestible at the same time. Right, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.400 do you feel like you interact with a lot of comedians. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.280 Do you think there's there's some. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.400 Writers and comedians I've spoken with who feel like comedy 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.120 has actually been harder with him as president. What you 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.880 just said is, in a way, it's in some there's 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.600 more material to work with. What would you say his 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.239 impact on comedy has been. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.480 Well, is there more I don't know if there's more material, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.960 it's just more focused in one area. I'm not a 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.240 stand up comic. I know, for stand up comics, you know, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.360 they work out their material and they do mostly that 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.920 material every night. So politics change so quickly, it doesn't 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.440 necessarily lend itself to that job. For me, I've always 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:32.520 been more interested in doing new jokes every When I 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.640 started on the radio every day and doing new jokes 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.400 every night. I don't love the idea of repeating myself. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.240 It feels more like acting to me than broadcasting. And 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.400 I think essentially I'm a broadcaster and I'm more interested 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.040 in that, so I can't speak to whether it's made 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.640 their job more difficult. I know a lot of them 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.480 just try to stay away from it. And I get it, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.280 you know, it's I get it. You're walking into a 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.800 town and you don't know who's in the room, and 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.920 you just want to make people laugh, and they're not 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.960 necessarily on a crusade, And I get it. And I 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.800 don't think any of those guys should be required to 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.160 speak the way I do, or the way Stephen Colbert 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.840 does or John Stewart does. And I think that applies 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.040 to people on television too. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:21.680 They don't. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.440 You don't have to do this, I choose to do it. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.120 Since you came back, have you asked Trumper Car to 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:27.400 come on? 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.400 No, I haven't. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:36.199 I wouldn't necessarily be interested in Brendan Carr on the show, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:39.760 but yeah, I'd love to have Trump on the show 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:40.280 for sure. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.880 Yeah. I mean, I feel like he knows that he wants. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.840 I don't know, all right, I'll ask him. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.120 I'm curious about it. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.880 You had avise I'm sorry on this week and you 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.920 asked you pressed him a lot on the Rio Comedy 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.240 Festival that a bunch of Commis went and did do 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.520 you ask someone who interviews for a living. Did you 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.120 give him a heads up you were going to ask 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:06.640 him about that? 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.839 Yes? I mean, you know how talk shows are. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.040 We basically understand there's an understanding of what you're going 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:17.480 to talk about. Sometimes it veers off into various directions, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:24.080 but you always they always know basically what the topics 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:24.719 are going to. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:25.920 Be and why. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.920 I guess did you feel as important to ask him 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.800 about that because you had a point of view on 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:31.680 comedians going to that festival. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.040 It seemed like you were against it. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.440 I wouldn't have gone, but I wanted to hear his reasons, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.320 and I thought he had some compelling reasons. And it's 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.640 nothing's black and white. It's not something I would do. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.680 But I do understand the idea that if we close 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.920 ourselves off to the world or we isolate somebody, that 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.160 maybe it's not good. I don't know that my my 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.960 reasoning is the correct reasoning. I also, well, you know, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.200 we see it, and we see it happening in this 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:03.800 country too. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.520 I mean, we travel abroad. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.760 Many of us don't want to be held accountable for 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.800 what our president does and says. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.040 As an American you know, going someplace. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.720 I'm fortunate enough to be well known and people know 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.240 where I'm coming from. But I think it would be 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.520 a different situation if people didn't know who I was. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.880 And I think I'd probably be the first thing i'd 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.200 say as I got into every cab is I didn't 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:26.880 vote for him? 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.920 Just FYI? You know? So I do think. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.960 That there's you know that kind of makes me understand, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:35.080 right that position? 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.280 Better? Have you done a paid gig for a desk? 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:44.080 It is that? Let me think Bill Gates once. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.800 Yeah, that's two Bill Gates references. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.360 And okay, and I would kill him in tennis. No, No, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.560 I would not kill him in tennis. He would kill 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:54.160 me in tennis. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.840 But you have But because you've interviewed so many, do you, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.680 is there like a dream guest you've never had that 0:11:58.760 --> 0:11:59.839 you still really want to have. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.600 Yes, I would love to have Banksy on the show. Yeah, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:04.679 that's my dream. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.240 Guess. Okay, some people have Daft Punk, you have Banksy. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.439 Yeah, you brought up you brought up Colbert earlier. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.320 You've spoken out a little bit. I think learned about 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:14.800 the coverage. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:19.160 You feel like CBS or someone is putting numbers out 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.360 there about how much money easily thing and you think 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:22.800 that can't be possible. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:23.880 Why is that it? 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.040 Because it just doesn't make any I know what the 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:28.439 budgets for these shows are. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.440 I know what I make. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.800 I know what Steven makes, I know what the ad 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.880 sales people make. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.720 I know that there are. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:40.480 Values that nobody bothers to consider, like the affiliate fees 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.720 that have to be you have to account for a 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.320 portion of that when you talk about an hour of 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.240 television every night, five nights a week. So I know 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.280 that it's it's not forty million dollars. It is the 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.000 show losing money that I don't know. I can't imagine 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.199 it's losing a lot of money if it is, So what. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.440 Is the ballpark? The budget for these shows these days? 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.040 One hundred and twenty million dollars. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.560 And so I may make about that much, a little more, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.800 a little less. Yeah, I mean, you never really know, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:09.719 you know, because how much? 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:10.160 How much? 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.559 How much do you attribute the affiliate fee to your 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.240 show versus every other? 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.480 Well, I don't know what. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:20.400 The specific affiliate fees. Each market has a different amount 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.160 that they pay. But I also know this, I know 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.920 that if we're losing so much money, none of us 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:26.440 would be on. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.199 That's kind of all you need to know. I mean, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:30.199 he's not on. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.920 This is not PBS, you know, so yeah, well, yeah 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.200 he is not on. But if they lost forty million 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.400 dollars last year, they would have canceled it already. Yeah, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.640 they would. They were sent everyone home. Okay, so you 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.280 set me up for that one. Your contract is up next, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:48.160 may I believe? 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.560 Yeah? Are you going to stick around past that? Well? 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:52.480 You know, it's funny. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.880 I often answer that question and then I do the 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.360 opposite of what I said. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.920 Previously said this is going to be my last one. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.199 A few last three contracts, I said this is the 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:04.559 last one. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.240 So I've learned not to say anything anymore. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:12.000 Because it upsets my staff, and it's best that I 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.240 just you know, when I make a decision, I will 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.280 make that decision. Okay, since we're not going to get 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.160 into the decision. Have you made a decision and you're 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.760 just not ready to talk about it, or you haven't 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.840 made a decision, Well, that would kind of say that 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.960 I'd made a decision, right, So I think I'd just rather. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:35.000 Rather not talk about it. Let's imagine a world. I'll 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.120 tell you when I decide. Okay, all right, I appreciate it. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.760 Let's imagine a world after the show, because there will 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.600 be a moment after the show. Now, I don't know 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.000 when you don't know, you don't think. I can't imagine 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.640 that the world is going to go on without me? 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:47.400 But go ahead. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.480 Have you given any thought to what you'd want to 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.640 do after it? Your friends at Ted Sarandaz, you could 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.680 go on Netflix, your friends with Bill Simmons, you could 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:56.800 do a podcast, not trade one. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.200 I mean besides playing Bogle on Netflix. I find Bogle 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.200 on Netflix. Yeah, I've given a thought, you know. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.080 I because I thought I really was going to leave, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.440 like nine years ago, or whenever I said. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.000 I was going to leave. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.240 I started a production company, and I'm interested in a 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:13.000 lot of things. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.280 You know, I have a lot of ideas. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.640 Most of them are not good ideas, but some of 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.760 them I think are really good ideas, and they're not 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.960 just television related. I have a lot of different projects 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.040 that I'm interested in. I'm just like, I just what's 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:32.720 when you're really well, I'm working on a show with 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.520 Mark Rober on Netflix, and I'm working Tube for those 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.520 who don't Yeah, Mark rovers the YouTuber your kids know 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:40.000 who he is. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.960 If you don't know who he is. I've got a. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.360 Sitcom with a guy named Chris Destefano's a very funny comic. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.400 I've got some really some other projects that are not 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.920 television related that I can't necessarily talk about yet, but 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.280 I think are going to be really a lot of 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.000 fun and hopefully successful. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:07.000 You mentioned talking about it being the end. I was curious. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:07.880 I didn't ask you earlier. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.960 Was there ever a moment in that kind of the 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.000 week or two of chaos where you thought your show 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:12.800 was never going to go back? 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:13.040 Oh? 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.080 Yeah, yeah right, I did because and I'll tell you why. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.640 Because you know, I'm a troublemaker just by nature. And 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:27.880 I my first year, the Lakers beat the Pistons in 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.560 the NBA playoffs and I said something to the effect of, well, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.360 I hope they don't burn Detroit down. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.800 And everyone in Detroit was very unhappy. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.080 This was the four Finals that the Lakers ended up losing, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.880 but they want a game maybe in Detroit. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.360 Yeah it was a game, all right, right, No, you're right, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.640 but I said that, and people were mad and they 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.680 pulled me off the air in Detroit, and a guy 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.880 who's really been like. My mentor at ABC, Alex Wallow, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.400 said to me, he said, you know, if we don't 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.280 have Detroit, you you're done the show. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:02.280 The show's over. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.399 And I said really, and he said, yeah, you can't 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.720 go forward without a major market like that, which was 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.800 news to me. So I went to Detroit and did 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.680 the show for a week there and kissed as much 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.399 ass as I possibly could. But the idea that I 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:23.240 would not have whatever was forty affiliates, I mean, knowing 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.800 that Trunker, I was like, well, that's it, because there 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.760 seemed to be a list of demands presented to me 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.399 that and I was not going to go along with 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.240 any of them. And I was like, well, I guess 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:36.080 I guess we're done. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.960 I said to my wife, that's it. It's over. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.920 Did you see that thing about the number of people 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.280 who canceled Disney Plus? 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.320 Because I did. Yeah, you think that's real? I hope. So, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:47.040 I don't know. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.679 I mean it gave me a feeling of power that 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:51.880 I've never had before. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.960 You brought up YouTube, which I think a lot of 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.320 people would say has been sort of one of the 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.320 primary sources of the down fall of Late Night. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:02.440 Our last little. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:07.000 Bit, how have you changed your show to kind of 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.120 appeal to people on YouTube, and why do you think 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.400 you can't make more money there. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.400 I never have changed my show to make it for YouTube. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.280 I'm very conscious of the fact that ABC pays for 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.400 the show and YouTube pays nothing, and YouTube gets to 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.240 sell it and keep half the money. And that's quite 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.920 a deal for them, it really is. But I've never 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.400 made the show for YouTube. With that said, I love 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.919 YouTube and I love being on YouTube because all you 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.600 really want, deep down is for as many people to 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.119 see your stuff as you can. And I know that 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.080 it has hurt because it is so easy to watch 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:48.280 the monologue on YouTube. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:48.520 Now. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.800 I know that it has hurt the ratings not just 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.680 for our show but all of the shows. And maybe 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.680 that's kind of what has killed late night TV. More 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.320 likely the fact that we have our lead ins are 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.560 a tenth of what they were when I started. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.080 That's probably more likely the reason. 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.119 But I love the idea that people in other countries 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.560 are watching YouTube. I love the idea that do you 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.760 look at the views for your I do, yes. I 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.760 looked recently, and I was alarmed to see that the 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:22.000 most watched video from your show had fewer reviews than 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.040 the average Mister Beast video. And I don't know what 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.159 that says about the state of the world, but I 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.600