Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: I know it's been a weird few weeks, has it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can sell. I want to start at the beginning,
Speaker 1: if we can.
Speaker 2: When I was born. Yes, it was in a manger.
Speaker 3: Well, so since you brought it up, we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about everything that happened. Have you listened to this
Speaker 3: AI podcast about your life?
Speaker 2: No? I found it doing some research.
Speaker 3: They have an AI voice that just narrates that The
Speaker 3: first episode is your life until you get hired on ABC,
Speaker 3: The second episode is your career at ABC until recently,
Speaker 3: and the third episode is very recent.
Speaker 2: We can fact check it.
Speaker 3: Does it have the details of my divorce? No, but
Speaker 3: it does have a line. The Kimmels weren't wealthy, but
Speaker 3: they weren't struggling either. They were in that sweet spot
Speaker 3: of American middle class life where dreams seemed achievable and
Speaker 3: laughter came easily around the dinner table.
Speaker 2: It's pretty spot on. This AI is terrified. How long
Speaker 2: after the.
Speaker 3: Initial episode where you made the comments about the assassination
Speaker 3: of Charlie Kirk the Monday episode? Yeah, did you realize
Speaker 3: there was a problem.
Speaker 2: I didn't think there was a big problem.
Speaker 1: I you know, I just saw it as distortion on
Speaker 1: the part of some of the right wing media networks,
Speaker 1: and I was I aimed to correct it. I have
Speaker 1: problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem,
Speaker 1: and then it turns into a big problem.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes it goes the other.
Speaker 1: Way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a problem nobody really notices. And so at what
Speaker 1: point did you realize this was a problem. I think
Speaker 1: when they pulled the show off the air, Well, that's unusual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what were the conversations that Data and Bob
Speaker 3: that led to that.
Speaker 1: I hate to disappoint you, but they were really good conversations.
Speaker 1: I'm not actinking, I mean really really good conversations.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: These are people that I've known for a long time
Speaker 1: and who I like very much, and who were you know,
Speaker 1: who wanted we all wanted this to work out best.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you like, I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: I ruined Dana's weekend. It was just NonStop phone calls
Speaker 1: all weekend. But I don't think what I don't think
Speaker 1: the result, which I think turned out to be very positive.
Speaker 1: Would have been as positive if I hadn't talked to
Speaker 1: Dana as much as I did, because it helped me
Speaker 1: think everything through and it helped me just kind of
Speaker 1: understand where everyone was coming from. I can sometimes be reactionary,
Speaker 1: I can sometimes be aggressive, and I can sometimes be unpleasant,
Speaker 1: and I think that.
Speaker 2: It helped me.
Speaker 1: Really having those days to think about it was helpful.
Speaker 3: I have a dumb question about this as someone who
Speaker 3: is kind of reporting on it in real time, trying
Speaker 3: to figure out what's happening. So the show goes up there,
Speaker 3: you have all these conversations, and when you made it
Speaker 3: or when you all made a decision put the show
Speaker 3: back on the air, as my understanding of the time was,
Speaker 3: it still wasn't exactly clear what you were going to say.
Speaker 3: They still hadn't resolved the issues at the affiliates. So
Speaker 3: what are the what do you resolve in those conversations
Speaker 3: to know you're going back if you haven't figured out
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that come out of it.
Speaker 1: I think just the spirit of what I'm going to
Speaker 1: say rather than specifically what I was going to say,
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that we all agreed on
Speaker 1: and I think that ultimately, I wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: cover every base if I could, and sometimes you can
Speaker 1: do that and sometimes you can't do that. And it
Speaker 1: was something really that had to come from inside me.
Speaker 1: It had to be truthful, and I had to lay
Speaker 1: it all out there and just be honest about what
Speaker 1: I was feeling and what I'd experienced. And I think
Speaker 1: I did, and I think that it probably went about
Speaker 1: as well as it could go. I knew that it
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be perfect, and there were always going
Speaker 1: to be people that didn't like it and didn't accept it.
Speaker 1: But the important thing to me was that I was
Speaker 1: able to explain what I was saying, what I was
Speaker 1: trying to say.
Speaker 3: If you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized,
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like it anywhere It was intentionally and
Speaker 3: I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 2: Yeah did you?
Speaker 3: I mean, do you feel like you have become more
Speaker 3: political in your commentary on the show over the course
Speaker 3: of hosting it.
Speaker 2: What do you think? I think?
Speaker 3: I think if you talked to me when my first
Speaker 3: interaction with Timmy Kimmel was the man yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: which is you and Corolla at this point, as best
Speaker 3: I can tell around and complete opposite ends of the
Speaker 3: political spectrum, but still friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's you know, it feels like you became
Speaker 3: far more comfortable and insistent on talking not just about politics,
Speaker 3: but about personal things. Maybe because you got older, maybe
Speaker 3: because you've got more comfortable in the role, Maybe because
Speaker 3: the world around has changed.
Speaker 1: All of those things. Yeah, all of those things, for sure.
Speaker 1: I think maturity is part of it. I think you
Speaker 1: figure out who you are. I think that when I
Speaker 1: started the show, I was mostly my homepage was ESPN
Speaker 1: dot com. It's kind of all I really cared about
Speaker 1: was We've been a radio sports guy. I've been a
Speaker 1: sports guy. I did football picks on Fox NFL Sunday
Speaker 1: for years.
Speaker 2: In radio, Yeah, I was on k Rock with Kevin
Speaker 2: and Bean.
Speaker 1: I was mostly interested in sports, and I was interested
Speaker 1: in politics. I've always been a you know, even as
Speaker 1: a kid. My parents are very liberal. I've been a
Speaker 1: Democrat since I was a little boy. I think the
Speaker 1: first like political cartoon I ever drew was of Jimmy
Speaker 1: Carter and John Anderson. You know, It's like I was
Speaker 1: like twelve or something, and I've always been interested in politics,
Speaker 1: but I was never a particularly political person. I also
Speaker 1: think maybe maybe he did, but maybe he didn't have
Speaker 1: to be back then, you know. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this is a very different situation.
Speaker 2: That we're in now.
Speaker 1: And also my job, as I see it, is to
Speaker 1: talk about the news of the day, and these are
Speaker 1: the big stories of the day pretty much every day.
Speaker 1: And how much of that, Like, can you see a
Speaker 1: difference because we're in Trump too?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it was.
Speaker 3: The need to talk about politics is greater when he
Speaker 3: has been president as opposed to when other people, like,
Speaker 3: cause you started when Bush was president, then you had Obama, Trump,
Speaker 3: Biden Trump. It does feel I think they've got more
Speaker 3: political over time. But do you think it is also
Speaker 3: sort of a I don't want to use the word quirk,
Speaker 3: but a facet of Trump and his relationship at the media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's on TV all day every day,
Speaker 1: so he gives us a lot to use to deal with.
Speaker 1: You know, that's unusual. That's not how it used to be.
Speaker 1: You occasionally get a video of George Bush, like walking
Speaker 1: the wrong way on stage, and then you'd make a
Speaker 1: week out of it, you know, or or somebody trips.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 1: But now it's just you hear him, you see him,
Speaker 1: you He's just presented himself so frequently at it makes it.
Speaker 2: It's just more digestible, and.
Speaker 1: It's more digestible and less digestible at the same time. Right,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you interact with a lot of comedians.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's there's some.
Speaker 3: Writers and comedians I've spoken with who feel like comedy
Speaker 3: has actually been harder with him as president. What you
Speaker 3: just said is, in a way, it's in some there's
Speaker 3: more material to work with. What would you say his
Speaker 3: impact on comedy has been.
Speaker 1: Well, is there more I don't know if there's more material,
Speaker 1: it's just more focused in one area. I'm not a
Speaker 1: stand up comic. I know, for stand up comics, you know,
Speaker 1: they work out their material and they do mostly that
Speaker 1: material every night. So politics change so quickly, it doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily lend itself to that job. For me, I've always
Speaker 1: been more interested in doing new jokes every When I
Speaker 1: started on the radio every day and doing new jokes
Speaker 1: every night. I don't love the idea of repeating myself.
Speaker 1: It feels more like acting to me than broadcasting. And
Speaker 1: I think essentially I'm a broadcaster and I'm more interested
Speaker 1: in that, so I can't speak to whether it's made
Speaker 1: their job more difficult. I know a lot of them
Speaker 1: just try to stay away from it. And I get it,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I get it. You're walking into a
Speaker 1: town and you don't know who's in the room, and
Speaker 1: you just want to make people laugh, and they're not
Speaker 1: necessarily on a crusade, And I get it. And I
Speaker 1: don't think any of those guys should be required to
Speaker 1: speak the way I do, or the way Stephen Colbert
Speaker 1: does or John Stewart does. And I think that applies
Speaker 1: to people on television too.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do this, I choose to do it.
Speaker 1: Since you came back, have you asked Trumper Car to
Speaker 1: come on?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily be interested in Brendan Carr on the show,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'd love to have Trump on the show
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I feel like he knows that he wants.
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, I'll ask him.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about it.
Speaker 3: You had avise I'm sorry on this week and you
Speaker 3: asked you pressed him a lot on the Rio Comedy
Speaker 3: Festival that a bunch of Commis went and did do
Speaker 3: you ask someone who interviews for a living. Did you
Speaker 3: give him a heads up you were going to ask
Speaker 3: him about that?
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean, you know how talk shows are.
Speaker 1: We basically understand there's an understanding of what you're going
Speaker 1: to talk about. Sometimes it veers off into various directions,
Speaker 1: but you always they always know basically what the topics
Speaker 1: are going to.
Speaker 2: Be and why.
Speaker 3: I guess did you feel as important to ask him
Speaker 3: about that because you had a point of view on
Speaker 3: comedians going to that festival.
Speaker 2: It seemed like you were against it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone, but I wanted to hear his reasons,
Speaker 1: and I thought he had some compelling reasons. And it's
Speaker 1: nothing's black and white. It's not something I would do.
Speaker 1: But I do understand the idea that if we close
Speaker 1: ourselves off to the world or we isolate somebody, that
Speaker 1: maybe it's not good. I don't know that my my
Speaker 1: reasoning is the correct reasoning. I also, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we see it, and we see it happening in this
Speaker 1: country too.
Speaker 2: I mean, we travel abroad.
Speaker 1: Many of us don't want to be held accountable for
Speaker 1: what our president does and says.
Speaker 2: As an American you know, going someplace.
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate enough to be well known and people know
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from. But I think it would be
Speaker 1: a different situation if people didn't know who I was.
Speaker 1: And I think I'd probably be the first thing i'd
Speaker 1: say as I got into every cab is I didn't
Speaker 1: vote for him?
Speaker 2: Just FYI? You know? So I do think.
Speaker 1: That there's you know that kind of makes me understand,
Speaker 1: right that position?
Speaker 2: Better? Have you done a paid gig for a desk?
Speaker 2: It is that? Let me think Bill Gates once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's two Bill Gates references.
Speaker 1: And okay, and I would kill him in tennis. No, No,
Speaker 1: I would not kill him in tennis. He would kill
Speaker 1: me in tennis.
Speaker 3: But you have But because you've interviewed so many, do you,
Speaker 3: is there like a dream guest you've never had that
Speaker 3: you still really want to have.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to have Banksy on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my dream.
Speaker 2: Guess. Okay, some people have Daft Punk, you have Banksy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you brought up you brought up Colbert earlier.
Speaker 1: You've spoken out a little bit. I think learned about
Speaker 1: the coverage.
Speaker 3: You feel like CBS or someone is putting numbers out
Speaker 3: there about how much money easily thing and you think
Speaker 3: that can't be possible.
Speaker 2: Why is that it?
Speaker 1: Because it just doesn't make any I know what the
Speaker 1: budgets for these shows are.
Speaker 2: I know what I make.
Speaker 1: I know what Steven makes, I know what the ad
Speaker 1: sales people make.
Speaker 2: I know that there are.
Speaker 1: Values that nobody bothers to consider, like the affiliate fees
Speaker 1: that have to be you have to account for a
Speaker 1: portion of that when you talk about an hour of
Speaker 1: television every night, five nights a week. So I know
Speaker 1: that it's it's not forty million dollars. It is the
Speaker 1: show losing money that I don't know. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: it's losing a lot of money if it is, So what.
Speaker 2: Is the ballpark? The budget for these shows these days?
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: And so I may make about that much, a little more,
Speaker 1: a little less. Yeah, I mean, you never really know,
Speaker 1: you know, because how much?
Speaker 2: How much?
Speaker 3: How much do you attribute the affiliate fee to your
Speaker 3: show versus every other?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: The specific affiliate fees. Each market has a different amount
Speaker 1: that they pay. But I also know this, I know
Speaker 1: that if we're losing so much money, none of us
Speaker 1: would be on.
Speaker 2: That's kind of all you need to know. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's not on.
Speaker 1: This is not PBS, you know, so yeah, well, yeah
Speaker 1: he is not on. But if they lost forty million
Speaker 1: dollars last year, they would have canceled it already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would. They were sent everyone home. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: set me up for that one. Your contract is up next,
Speaker 1: may I believe?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Are you going to stick around past that? Well?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I often answer that question and then I do the
Speaker 1: opposite of what I said.
Speaker 2: Previously said this is going to be my last one.
Speaker 1: A few last three contracts, I said this is the
Speaker 1: last one.
Speaker 2: So I've learned not to say anything anymore.
Speaker 1: Because it upsets my staff, and it's best that I
Speaker 1: just you know, when I make a decision, I will
Speaker 1: make that decision. Okay, since we're not going to get
Speaker 1: into the decision. Have you made a decision and you're
Speaker 1: just not ready to talk about it, or you haven't
Speaker 1: made a decision, Well, that would kind of say that
Speaker 1: I'd made a decision, right, So I think I'd just rather.
Speaker 2: Rather not talk about it. Let's imagine a world. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you when I decide. Okay, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Let's imagine a world after the show, because there will
Speaker 3: be a moment after the show. Now, I don't know
Speaker 3: when you don't know, you don't think. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: that the world is going to go on without me?
Speaker 2: But go ahead.
Speaker 3: Have you given any thought to what you'd want to
Speaker 3: do after it? Your friends at Ted Sarandaz, you could
Speaker 3: go on Netflix, your friends with Bill Simmons, you could
Speaker 3: do a podcast, not trade one.
Speaker 2: I mean besides playing Bogle on Netflix. I find Bogle
Speaker 2: on Netflix. Yeah, I've given a thought, you know.
Speaker 1: I because I thought I really was going to leave,
Speaker 1: like nine years ago, or whenever I said.
Speaker 2: I was going to leave.
Speaker 1: I started a production company, and I'm interested in a
Speaker 1: lot of things.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a lot of ideas.
Speaker 1: Most of them are not good ideas, but some of
Speaker 1: them I think are really good ideas, and they're not
Speaker 1: just television related. I have a lot of different projects
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in. I'm just like, I just what's
Speaker 1: when you're really well, I'm working on a show with
Speaker 1: Mark Rober on Netflix, and I'm working Tube for those
Speaker 1: who don't Yeah, Mark rovers the YouTuber your kids know
Speaker 1: who he is.
Speaker 2: If you don't know who he is. I've got a.
Speaker 1: Sitcom with a guy named Chris Destefano's a very funny comic.
Speaker 1: I've got some really some other projects that are not
Speaker 1: television related that I can't necessarily talk about yet, but
Speaker 1: I think are going to be really a lot of
Speaker 1: fun and hopefully successful.
Speaker 2: You mentioned talking about it being the end. I was curious.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you earlier.
Speaker 3: Was there ever a moment in that kind of the
Speaker 3: week or two of chaos where you thought your show
Speaker 3: was never going to go back?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, I did because and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Because you know, I'm a troublemaker just by nature. And
Speaker 1: I my first year, the Lakers beat the Pistons in
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs and I said something to the effect of, well,
Speaker 1: I hope they don't burn Detroit down.
Speaker 2: And everyone in Detroit was very unhappy.
Speaker 3: This was the four Finals that the Lakers ended up losing,
Speaker 3: but they want a game maybe in Detroit.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a game, all right, right, No, you're right,
Speaker 1: but I said that, and people were mad and they
Speaker 1: pulled me off the air in Detroit, and a guy
Speaker 1: who's really been like. My mentor at ABC, Alex Wallow,
Speaker 1: said to me, he said, you know, if we don't
Speaker 1: have Detroit, you you're done the show.
Speaker 2: The show's over.
Speaker 1: And I said really, and he said, yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: go forward without a major market like that, which was
Speaker 1: news to me. So I went to Detroit and did
Speaker 1: the show for a week there and kissed as much
Speaker 1: ass as I possibly could. But the idea that I
Speaker 1: would not have whatever was forty affiliates, I mean, knowing
Speaker 1: that Trunker, I was like, well, that's it, because there
Speaker 1: seemed to be a list of demands presented to me
Speaker 1: that and I was not going to go along with
Speaker 1: any of them. And I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: I guess we're done.
Speaker 2: I said to my wife, that's it. It's over.
Speaker 3: Did you see that thing about the number of people
Speaker 3: who canceled Disney Plus?
Speaker 2: Because I did. Yeah, you think that's real? I hope. So,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean it gave me a feeling of power that
Speaker 1: I've never had before.
Speaker 3: You brought up YouTube, which I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people would say has been sort of one of the
Speaker 3: primary sources of the down fall of Late Night.
Speaker 2: Our last little.
Speaker 3: Bit, how have you changed your show to kind of
Speaker 3: appeal to people on YouTube, and why do you think
Speaker 3: you can't make more money there.
Speaker 1: I never have changed my show to make it for YouTube.
Speaker 1: I'm very conscious of the fact that ABC pays for
Speaker 1: the show and YouTube pays nothing, and YouTube gets to
Speaker 1: sell it and keep half the money. And that's quite
Speaker 1: a deal for them, it really is. But I've never
Speaker 1: made the show for YouTube. With that said, I love
Speaker 1: YouTube and I love being on YouTube because all you
Speaker 1: really want, deep down is for as many people to
Speaker 1: see your stuff as you can. And I know that
Speaker 1: it has hurt because it is so easy to watch
Speaker 1: the monologue on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I know that it has hurt the ratings not just
Speaker 1: for our show but all of the shows. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's kind of what has killed late night TV. More
Speaker 1: likely the fact that we have our lead ins are
Speaker 1: a tenth of what they were when I started.
Speaker 2: That's probably more likely the reason.
Speaker 1: But I love the idea that people in other countries
Speaker 1: are watching YouTube. I love the idea that do you
Speaker 1: look at the views for your I do, yes. I
Speaker 1: looked recently, and I was alarmed to see that the
Speaker 1: most watched video from your show had fewer reviews than
Speaker 1: the average Mister Beast video. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: that says about the state of the world, but I
Speaker 1: think it says mister Beast is kicking ass, is what
Speaker 1: it says. Yeah, well, you know what, there is a
Speaker 1: big difference. When you do the show every night, You're
Speaker 1: not going to get as many views. But we still
Speaker 1: I mean, I woke up this morning there were two
Speaker 1: point two million views of my monologue the night before.
Speaker 1: So for everyone who says Late Night is dying, it's
Speaker 1: just not true.
Speaker 2: We still have you know, you know it's probably a
Speaker 2: three and.
Speaker 1: A half million right now, We'll still have five six
Speaker 1: million people watching the show every night.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's more than most of the primetime show, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, all hear that about primetime ratings.
Speaker 3: Get kind of covered in a weird bit, Like you
Speaker 3: talked about two point two million views on YouTube, right,
Speaker 3: And the metric for review on YouTube is totally different
Speaker 3: from the metric for a view on TV.
Speaker 2: Right, you watch it for thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Big Talk is three seconds. I think YouTube is thirty.
Speaker 1: You have to watch it for at least thirty So.
Speaker 3: We have YouTube comms, right, here if you want to
Speaker 3: and TV I think is like.
Speaker 2: A five minute chunk that you have.
Speaker 3: It's usually the average number of people watching it over
Speaker 3: the full course is what the rating that gets reported.
Speaker 2: We had Greg up here.
Speaker 3: Why do you think that topical comedy thing has never
Speaker 3: really worked on Netflix?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think maybe people are expecting something different.
Speaker 2: People are very regimented. Yea.
Speaker 1: You know, when we started our show, we wanted to
Speaker 1: we wanted to do everything different. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to do this and this is going to
Speaker 1: be different. That's gonna be different. Over the years we realized, oh,
Speaker 1: they just want to see a desk and the guests
Speaker 1: and a band and don't fuck around with it. It's
Speaker 1: it's a great format. It's it's Steve Allen invented it
Speaker 1: fifty some years ago and it's exactly as it was then.
Speaker 2: For a reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like, I know you're not part
Speaker 3: of the decision making process on this at all, but
Speaker 3: do you feel like there will be like the Tonight
Speaker 3: Show would be the last show to get canceled?
Speaker 2: I would assus yes, I think so.
Speaker 3: Do you think that that show will last a really
Speaker 3: long time? Or do you feel like eventually all these
Speaker 3: shows go away and have to get reinvented and whatever.
Speaker 1: I think there's I don't think there's a reason for
Speaker 1: these shows to go away. I think there are different
Speaker 1: there are ways. You know, it started out. These shows
Speaker 1: started out because it was there were a way to
Speaker 1: get high priced talent for almost free. That was the
Speaker 1: whole trick. That was the whole reason they started these shows.
Speaker 1: It was deemed to be promotional. So the idea that
Speaker 1: these shows need to cost one hundred and twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars crazy don't need to cost one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars.
Speaker 2: And somebody will figure it out, and.
Speaker 1: Just that's like what a hot Ones is makes the
Speaker 1: similar concept for considerably less money, right Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think you could still have the same format. You
Speaker 1: can still have a band, you can have all of
Speaker 1: those things and still do the show for a lot
Speaker 1: less money. It's just the people aren't going to make it.
Speaker 1: The host is not going to make as much money,
Speaker 1: and audience isn't going to be as big.
Speaker 2: But that's okay, because I.
Speaker 1: Mean I love seeing these you know, I love the
Speaker 1: idea that people can make a living with two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand viewers every day or every night, and they can
Speaker 1: talk about weirdly specific things, and those people who are
Speaker 1: really interested in those weirdly specific things have a place
Speaker 1: to take those to absorb that stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that's great.
Speaker 1: I love the idea that a sixteen year old can
Speaker 1: have their own TV show. What is the weirdest channel
Speaker 1: you follow on YouTube or TikTok? Not on TikTok, I
Speaker 1: do not put that on my phone. I follow let's
Speaker 1: see on YouTube. Well, weirdly, my eight year old son,
Speaker 1: he adds subscription to our list and there suddenly were
Speaker 1: like eleven Jesus channels on my thing? Is this kid
Speaker 1: a priest or maybe the Messiah? I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, but yeah, that's the weirdest one on our list.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have one last question for you. Who's going
Speaker 2: to be the next CEO of Disney? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm never mentioned in this right and nobody ever, I mean,
Speaker 1: like there are never any serious discussion. Well, I will
Speaker 1: just say I wasn't. Actually, it will be very foolish
Speaker 1: for me to answer that question. But I happened to
Speaker 1: love Dana Walden very much, and I think she's done
Speaker 1: a great job, and I think what has happened over
Speaker 1: the last like three weeks I think was very unfair
Speaker 1: to my bosses at Disney. I don't think anyone should
Speaker 1: ever be put in a position like this.
Speaker 2: It is insane. And I hope that.
Speaker 1: We drew a really, really bold red line as Americans
Speaker 1: about what we will and will not accept them. I
Speaker 1: really hope that that's what comes out of all of it.
Speaker 3: That was not actually my last question because I did
Speaker 3: not think you were going to answer it, but I
Speaker 3: appreciate it. I guess related to that, if you could
Speaker 3: give you talk about how comedies change, if you could
Speaker 3: give one piece of advice to an up andcoming comedian
Speaker 3: when you are an up and coming broadcaster, when you
Speaker 3: see those people and you see the changes in media
Speaker 3: around you, what do you other than like follow your passion?
Speaker 2: What do you tell them to do?
Speaker 1: I would tell them what I didn't get to do
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. And sometimes I fantasize about
Speaker 1: just starting all over again, because what I had to
Speaker 1: do when I started in radio was hang around the
Speaker 1: radio station for like three years, and then they let
Speaker 1: me on a little bit, and then they let me
Speaker 1: on a little more and then when they thought I
Speaker 1: was funny, they let me on more. But it took
Speaker 1: so long for me to get on the air and
Speaker 1: to learn to do the job that now I would
Speaker 1: say start doing a podcast or a youth start a
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Do it every single day. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if anybody's watching it. Just keep doing it over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and you're gonna get
Speaker 1: If you have any talent, you're going to get good
Speaker 1: at it. And if you're good, I mean really, YouTube
Speaker 1: is very It's if something is good, it will catch on,
Speaker 1: you know, if something is interesting, people will take note
Speaker 1: of it and it may take five years, but you'll
Speaker 1: have something at the end of it.
Speaker 2: This is great. Thanks for doing that. That was advice for you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. That's