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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: I know it's been a weird few weeks, has it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can sell. I want to start at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: if we can.

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Speaker 2: When I was born. Yes, it was in a manger.

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Speaker 3: Well, so since you brought it up, we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about everything that happened. Have you listened to this

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Speaker 3: AI podcast about your life?

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Speaker 2: No? I found it doing some research.

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Speaker 3: They have an AI voice that just narrates that The

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Speaker 3: first episode is your life until you get hired on ABC,

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Speaker 3: The second episode is your career at ABC until recently,

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Speaker 3: and the third episode is very recent.

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Speaker 2: We can fact check it.

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Speaker 3: Does it have the details of my divorce? No, but

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Speaker 3: it does have a line. The Kimmels weren't wealthy, but

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Speaker 3: they weren't struggling either. They were in that sweet spot

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Speaker 3: of American middle class life where dreams seemed achievable and

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Speaker 3: laughter came easily around the dinner table.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty spot on. This AI is terrified. How long

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Speaker 2: after the.

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Speaker 3: Initial episode where you made the comments about the assassination

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Speaker 3: of Charlie Kirk the Monday episode? Yeah, did you realize

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Speaker 3: there was a problem.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think there was a big problem.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I just saw it as distortion on

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Speaker 1: the part of some of the right wing media networks,

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Speaker 1: and I was I aimed to correct it. I have

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Speaker 1: problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny

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Speaker 1: because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem,

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Speaker 1: and then it turns into a big problem.

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Speaker 2: And then sometimes it goes the other.

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Speaker 1: Way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a problem nobody really notices. And so at what

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Speaker 1: point did you realize this was a problem. I think

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Speaker 1: when they pulled the show off the air, Well, that's unusual.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And what were the conversations that Data and Bob

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Speaker 3: that led to that.

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Speaker 1: I hate to disappoint you, but they were really good conversations.

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Speaker 1: I'm not actinking, I mean really really good conversations.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 1: These are people that I've known for a long time

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Speaker 1: and who I like very much, and who were you know,

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Speaker 1: who wanted we all wanted this to work out best.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you like, I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I ruined Dana's weekend. It was just NonStop phone calls

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Speaker 1: all weekend. But I don't think what I don't think

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Speaker 1: the result, which I think turned out to be very positive.

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Speaker 1: Would have been as positive if I hadn't talked to

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Speaker 1: Dana as much as I did, because it helped me

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Speaker 1: think everything through and it helped me just kind of

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Speaker 1: understand where everyone was coming from. I can sometimes be reactionary,

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Speaker 1: I can sometimes be aggressive, and I can sometimes be unpleasant,

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Speaker 2: It helped me.

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Speaker 1: Really having those days to think about it was helpful.

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Speaker 3: I have a dumb question about this as someone who

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Speaker 3: is kind of reporting on it in real time, trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out what's happening. So the show goes up there,

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Speaker 3: you have all these conversations, and when you made it

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Speaker 3: or when you all made a decision put the show

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Speaker 3: it still wasn't exactly clear what you were going to say.

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Speaker 3: They still hadn't resolved the issues at the affiliates. So

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Speaker 3: what are the what do you resolve in those conversations

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Speaker 3: to know you're going back if you haven't figured out

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Speaker 3: a lot of the things that come out of it.

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Speaker 1: I think just the spirit of what I'm going to

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Speaker 1: And I think that's something that we all agreed on

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Speaker 1: and I think that ultimately, I wanted to kind of

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Speaker 1: was something really that had to come from inside me.

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Speaker 1: It had to be truthful, and I had to lay

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Speaker 1: I was feeling and what I'd experienced. And I think

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Speaker 1: I did, and I think that it probably went about

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Speaker 1: as well as it could go. I knew that it

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Speaker 1: But the important thing to me was that I was

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Speaker 3: If you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized,

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Speaker 3: I didn't feel like it anywhere It was intentionally and

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Speaker 2: Yeah did you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you feel like you have become more

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Speaker 2: What do you think? I think?

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Speaker 3: I think if you talked to me when my first

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Speaker 3: interaction with Timmy Kimmel was the man yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is you and Corolla at this point, as best

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Speaker 3: I can tell around and complete opposite ends of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's you know, it feels like you became

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Speaker 3: far more comfortable and insistent on talking not just about politics,

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Speaker 1: All of those things. Yeah, all of those things, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think maturity is part of it. I think you

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Speaker 1: figure out who you are. I think that when I

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Speaker 1: was We've been a radio sports guy. I've been a

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Speaker 2: In radio, Yeah, I was on k Rock with Kevin

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Speaker 1: I was mostly interested in sports, and I was interested

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Speaker 1: in politics. I've always been a you know, even as

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Speaker 1: but I was never a particularly political person. I also

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Speaker 2: That we're in now.

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Speaker 1: And also my job, as I see it, is to

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like it was.

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Speaker 3: The need to talk about politics is greater when he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's on TV all day every day,

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Speaker 1: You know, that's unusual. That's not how it used to be.

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Speaker 1: You occasionally get a video of George Bush, like walking

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Speaker 1: But now it's just you hear him, you see him,

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Speaker 1: you He's just presented himself so frequently at it makes it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to do this, I choose to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I feel like he knows that he wants.

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Speaker 3: You had avise I'm sorry on this week and you

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Speaker 2: It seemed like you were against it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone, but I wanted to hear his reasons,

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Speaker 1: and I thought he had some compelling reasons. And it's

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Speaker 1: But I do understand the idea that if we close

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Speaker 2: I mean, we travel abroad.

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Speaker 2: I would assus yes, I think so.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that show will last a really

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Speaker 3: long time? Or do you feel like eventually all these

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Speaker 3: shows go away and have to get reinvented and whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think there's I don't think there's a reason for

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Speaker 1: these shows to go away. I think there are different

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Speaker 1: there are ways. You know, it started out. These shows

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Speaker 1: started out because it was there were a way to

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Speaker 1: get high priced talent for almost free. That was the

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Speaker 1: whole trick. That was the whole reason they started these shows.

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Speaker 1: It was deemed to be promotional. So the idea that

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Speaker 1: these shows need to cost one hundred and twenty million

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Speaker 1: dollars crazy don't need to cost one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: million dollars.

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Speaker 2: And somebody will figure it out, and.

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Speaker 1: Just that's like what a hot Ones is makes the

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Speaker 1: similar concept for considerably less money, right Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think you could still have the same format. You

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Speaker 1: can still have a band, you can have all of

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Speaker 1: those things and still do the show for a lot

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Speaker 1: less money. It's just the people aren't going to make it.

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Speaker 1: The host is not going to make as much money,

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Speaker 1: and audience isn't going to be as big.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay, because I.

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Speaker 1: Mean I love seeing these you know, I love the

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Speaker 1: idea that people can make a living with two hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand viewers every day or every night, and they can

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Speaker 1: talk about weirdly specific things, and those people who are

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Speaker 1: really interested in those weirdly specific things have a place

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Speaker 1: to take those to absorb that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea that a sixteen year old can

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Speaker 1: have their own TV show. What is the weirdest channel

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Speaker 1: you follow on YouTube or TikTok? Not on TikTok, I

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Speaker 1: do not put that on my phone. I follow let's

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Speaker 1: see on YouTube. Well, weirdly, my eight year old son,

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Speaker 1: he adds subscription to our list and there suddenly were

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Speaker 1: like eleven Jesus channels on my thing? Is this kid

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Speaker 1: a priest or maybe the Messiah? I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is, but yeah, that's the weirdest one on our list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have one last question for you. Who's going

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Speaker 2: to be the next CEO of Disney? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I'm never mentioned in this right and nobody ever, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like there are never any serious discussion. Well, I will

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Speaker 1: just say I wasn't. Actually, it will be very foolish

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Speaker 1: for me to answer that question. But I happened to

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Speaker 1: love Dana Walden very much, and I think she's done

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Speaker 1: a great job, and I think what has happened over

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Speaker 1: the last like three weeks I think was very unfair

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Speaker 1: to my bosses at Disney. I don't think anyone should

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Speaker 1: ever be put in a position like this.

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Speaker 2: It is insane. And I hope that.

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Speaker 1: We drew a really, really bold red line as Americans

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Speaker 1: about what we will and will not accept them. I

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Speaker 1: really hope that that's what comes out of all of it.

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Speaker 3: That was not actually my last question because I did

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Speaker 3: not think you were going to answer it, but I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. I guess related to that, if you could

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Speaker 3: give you talk about how comedies change, if you could

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Speaker 3: give one piece of advice to an up andcoming comedian

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Speaker 3: when you are an up and coming broadcaster, when you

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Speaker 3: see those people and you see the changes in media

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Speaker 3: around you, what do you other than like follow your passion?

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Speaker 2: What do you tell them to do?

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Speaker 1: I would tell them what I didn't get to do

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid. And sometimes I fantasize about

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Speaker 1: just starting all over again, because what I had to

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Speaker 1: do when I started in radio was hang around the

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Speaker 1: radio station for like three years, and then they let

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Speaker 1: me on a little bit, and then they let me

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Speaker 1: on a little more and then when they thought I

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Speaker 1: was funny, they let me on more. But it took

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Speaker 1: so long for me to get on the air and

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Speaker 1: to learn to do the job that now I would

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Speaker 1: say start doing a podcast or a youth start a

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Do it every single day. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: if anybody's watching it. Just keep doing it over and

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: If you have any talent, you're going to get good

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Speaker 1: at it. And if you're good, I mean really, YouTube

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Speaker 1: is very It's if something is good, it will catch on,

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Speaker 1: you know, if something is interesting, people will take note

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Speaker 1: of it and it may take five years, but you'll

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Speaker 1: have something at the end of it.

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Speaker 2: This is great. Thanks for doing that. That was advice for you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. That's