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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebina, a space where no

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Speaker 1: question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views

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Speaker 1: shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain and empower.

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Speaker 1: From the laughs to the lessons. Just remember tough times

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Speaker 2: What's up y'all? Ishagara Ebine here and I hope all

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Speaker 2: is cute. So welcome back to Pretty Private with Ebine,

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Speaker 2: where storylines become lifelines. Now, on this week's episode, we're

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Speaker 2: going to dive into a very critical conversation about the

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Speaker 2: silent epidemics around the missing and murdered black and brown

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Speaker 2: in mainstream media. So we are joined by my podcast

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Speaker 2: Little Sister Hunter Gilmour, founder of the advocacy and media

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Speaker 2: initiative Hunting for Answers. Hunter is also a journalist, a producer,

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Speaker 2: and the host of the Hunting for Answers true crime podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is on the Black Effect podcast Network, where she

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Speaker 2: uses storytelling and advocacy to bring awareness to unresolved cases

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Speaker 2: and help keep these stories in the public eye. So

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Speaker 2: please share this episode with a loved one and get

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Speaker 2: ready because my conversation with Hunters stars now. So I

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Speaker 2: am super excited about this week's conversation. I am here

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Speaker 2: with somebody who I consider my little sister in the game,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just super excited for you to be on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 3: Hunter.

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Speaker 2: This is our first time ever having a conversation on air.

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Speaker 2: I mean when we talk off air on the fall, y'all,

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Speaker 2: we just be key Key and child.

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Speaker 3: But to my guest Hunter, how you doing, how you feeling.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great? Thank you for having me, Vane. I'm

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Speaker 4: so excited to be here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so before we start, Key King, let's tell everyone

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Speaker 2: how we met, because how did we get so cool?

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Speaker 4: So we met coming up on a year ago and

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Speaker 4: the Black Effect Podcast festival mixer. So it was the

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Speaker 4: day before the festival. And man, when I tell you,

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Speaker 5: You are like the first person that really just kind of.

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Speaker 4: Like like had a connection, you know, with me and

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Speaker 4: able to exchange numbers and were able to just communicate

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Speaker 4: and build a relationship. And so yes, this past year,

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Speaker 4: getting to to see you, see how much you've grown,

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Speaker 4: see how much you've evolved, it has been a pleasure

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Speaker 4: being your friend and just in this journey with you,

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Speaker 4: because I mean it, it's really a beautiful journey and

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Speaker 4: it's really nice.

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Speaker 5: When you meet beautiful people along the way.

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Speaker 2: So oh, thank you, sus. Yeah, you're trying to make

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Speaker 2: me cry out now. Just had a conversation yesterday.

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Speaker 5: But it's like, seriously, how I feel.

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Speaker 4: Like I because sometimes, you know, especially coming into new

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let you do that.

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Speaker 5: You were like, he key ended up with me, and

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Speaker 2: That same same and I feel like we definitely gotten

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Speaker 2: closer when we went to what was it something? It

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Speaker 2: what was it with Apple podcasts and something else?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah the workshops?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, that was a great experience.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we had too much fun we did.

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Speaker 4: It was really wonderful and it really opened up my

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I wish, I wish we lived closer, But

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I feel like Hunter is one

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Speaker 2: So it's like you want to be cool and shit,

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Speaker 3: Wanted and you know, just got good energy.

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Speaker 2: And even when you came to New York for when

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Speaker 5: And it's just a lot of work. Who are you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and before we continue, another reason why I see

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Speaker 2: So before I launched the podcast, what did you personally

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Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? It's Shagara Ebna here, and be sure

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Speaker 2: the Professional Homegirl. Now let's get back to the show. Well, child,

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Speaker 2: so what patterns have you noticed across the cases you covered?

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Speaker 5: Let me see.

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Speaker 3: I would say one.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm like, I think.

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Speaker 4: another thing that's related to it. And then also the

445
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 4: police taking the actual missing person's report. Some people have

446
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 4: been turned away. Not some, but a lot of people

447
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 4: get turned away. Of course, you know, they have a

448
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 4: certain amount of time you have to wait until someone

449
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 4: you know a certain amount of time someone's missing before

450
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: you can report them. But there's been many times I've

451
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: read in cases and heard from families where they did

452
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 4: try to report someone missing and you know, they were

453
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: turned away or told to come back, and it's like

454
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: m there's already been sufficient evidence that there's been a

455
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: break in normality and routine and communication. You know, there's

456
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 4: there could be these other things that are like screaming

457
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: out that these are warning signs, and you know, yet

458
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: and still it's less action.

459
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 5: It's not a sense of urgency.

460
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: That is so scary, man, it is.

461
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: That's why I think the biggest thing that I've taken

462
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 4: away from doing this work is that we really need

463
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: to focus on how we can better protect ourselves and

464
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: each other and overall just create safer communities.

465
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: Forever who was thinking that community pardon? I was literally

466
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: just thinking that community like community is so important.

467
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: And in a lot of these cases, it's the community

468
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 4: that helps solve cases.

469
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 5: It's the community that steps up.

470
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 4: That's why you always hear police asking for the community's help,

471
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 4: you know, asking for tips, asking if someone saw anything.

472
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 5: It's because the community does play a big role.

473
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 4: And I've heard from families how you know, their communities

474
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: have rallied for them in their moments of tragedy and

475
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: in their moments of searching for answers, and you know

476
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 4: they're out there searching with them and supporting them and

477
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 4: things like that.

478
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, is there particular age group where black

479
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: and brown women are most vulnerable?

480
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: A particular age group, well, thirteen to seventeen, I believe,

481
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 4: is the age that most black girls like. That's the

482
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: largest demographic of Black girls that go missing in that

483
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: age range.

484
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: So I'm so young.

485
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: It's very young, and it's it's scary because it's happening

486
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 4: right in front of our eyes. Yeah, in plain sight,

487
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 4: and no one you know, is talking about it, and

488
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: so or at least, you know, drunk like bringing attention

489
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: to it, consistent attention to it, and what's causing it?

490
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: You know, I think taking a look at that.

491
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when you're speaking with families who are

492
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: still searching for answers, what have those conversations taught you

493
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: about grief, resilience and advocacy.

494
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: It's taught me that.

495
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: You really have to be strong in your sense of self.

496
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: That I think that that is the biggest thing, because

497
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: it is really heartbreaking. You know, a lot of these

498
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: families are devastated and rightfully so. And seeing their persistence

499
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: and seeing how dedicated they are to finding answers, you know,

500
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: for their ones and getting closure for their loved ones,

501
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: and for themselves, you know, to know what happened. I

502
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: think that that is one of the biggest things that

503
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: I've taken away because I could not imagine, like, could

504
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: you imagine putting yourself in someone's shoes.

505
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 5: And your mom or your aunt or your grandma or

506
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: you know.

507
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: Your sister just disappears or is you know, their life

508
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: is tragically ended suddenly. It's it's it's devastating.

509
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 5: And so yeah, what you're gonna say.

510
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: No, I'm not gonna lie.

511
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: When we when we were talking about the case that

512
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: we were working all, I mean, that was a lot

513
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: for me, and I'm just like, you know, obviously I

514
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: don't want to speak for the family, but I'm just like, wow,

515
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: like I couldn't imagine, like you said, if that was

516
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: my own particular like my flesh and blow or my family,

517
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: my sos wortic case may be. But it was just

518
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: a lot, just even trying to get the details and

519
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: map everything together and just constantly like talk about it.

520
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I couldn't imagine living through that every

521
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: single day and.

522
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: Just imagine what it's like for the families who are

523
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 4: you know, in that in that fight and doing you know,

524
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: the the interviews and.

525
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: Things like that constantly.

526
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like reliving unhealed wounds time and time again.

527
00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 4: And so that's why I I like to advocate and

528
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: be an advocate and just you know, a resource for

529
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: families because you know, it's it's a lot to take on,

530
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: and especially when the systems in place aren't doing their jobs,

531
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: you know.

532
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: And you know they're not doing a job.

533
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 5: It's kind of like where do you, like, where do

534
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 5: you turn to?

535
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: These families are hiring private investigators trying to raise funds.

536
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: To and it's etensive.

537
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: It's a lot of money.

538
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely, like they shouldn't have to, and that's the big thing.

539
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: They shouldn't have to.

540
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what would you say, are some warning science

541
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: that someone may be in a dangerous situation that people

542
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: often overlook.

543
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: Some of the danger or some of the warning signs

544
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: that people may overlook include.

545
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 3: Na trust in your intuition, Yes.

546
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: For sure, not trusting your intuition you definitely. One thing

547
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: I learned is that playing around in relationships, like sometimes

548
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: when you have couples that will do that play joking,

549
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, type of sion, you know, sometimes it will

550
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: escalate and it's like, oh, you kind of see no

551
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: one's backing down. It's that could be a warning sign

552
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: of aggression or just you know, something to look out

553
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: for later on in the relationship. And I think that

554
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: that's a big thing that a lot of people might

555
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: overlook because you know, people joke around, you know, all

556
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: the time.

557
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: We I know, people love to have a kiki, people

558
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: love to sew.

559
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: They'd be like, all right, right, So I definitely think

560
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: that that's a big one. What else would be another

561
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: warning sign? I think those are two big, like major

562
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: ones right there.

563
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

564
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Now, one of the reasons why I wanted to have

565
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: you on a show is because you know, you are

566
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: or you are in the midst of doing your HBCU

567
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: tour and you're having these conversations on campus with young students,

568
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: young men and women about relational awareness and dating literacy.

569
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: So I thought that was really dope because you know,

570
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: we were talking about our own experiences, and you know,

571
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of times I feel like people or these

572
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: young young men and women are they're not fully prep

573
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: for what's to come in college life. Because you go

574
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: to a big HBCU or university, like that's a whole

575
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: new ball game.

576
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: It's a whole new ball game, and it can be

577
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: kind of scary and yeah, because oftentimes we're, you know,

578
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: eighteen years old. We're going to a new city, yeah, geen,

579
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: like we're still teenagers and we leave home, we go

580
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: to a completely different town. We oftentimes no one in town. Yeah,

581
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 4: And it's really all about learning the area, like knowing

582
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: the trust exactly exactly, and there's no handbook to it,

583
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: you know, that's the big thing. It's like we graduate

584
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: from high school and it's like Okay, we go off

585
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 4: to college and it's like, okay, so now I have

586
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 4: to do all of these things on my own, navigate

587
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: on you know, my own things like that. And I

588
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: think for students it can be In young people, it

589
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: can be a challenging time.

590
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what conversations do you think parents should have,

591
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: because I feel like parents, like I'm looking, I'm thinking

592
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: about my experience when I went to Tennessee State, and

593
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: I don't feel like somebody set me down and had

594
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: a conversation with me about like safety and dating. Like

595
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: I kind of learned from either my own experiences or

596
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 2: my friends.

597
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and from what we've learned in doing the campus tour,

598
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: we've done a multiple sessions at Clark Atlanta University and

599
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: we have a spell and Agnes Scott coming up. And

600
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: one thing that we've seen is that many students are

601
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: not having these conversations. And one session we asked the students, well,

602
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: how many people you know were raised to like how

603
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: many people basically did your parents teach you how to

604
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 4: have healthy relationships and what does that look like?

605
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: And not a single hand went up. And it was really.

606
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: Eye opening because it's like, Okay, no one's having these conversations,

607
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: you know, just learning how to have and have and

608
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: build healthy relationships and what that looks like because we

609
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: get taught everything else, you know what I mean, but

610
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: we're not taught how do we healthily engage with.

611
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: The different people that we are coming into?

612
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 4: Wow?

613
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: Wow, West baby listen go on to an HBCU Like

614
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: it has been one of the best decisions I have

615
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: ever made my life. But man, you for me, I

616
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: really learned that, like, uh, the black experience is just

617
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: so different across the board, Like we have a lot

618
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: of things in common, but like things are like different

619
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: from being raised down south of being from New York

620
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: and vice versa. Like you learn so much about people

621
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: and black people and niggas like, you know.

622
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 5: You definitely learn a lot like and that was what

623
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: I was.

624
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but that's what I was

625
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: looking for when I made my decision when I went

626
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: to Clark Atlanta University, I was like, I do want

627
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: to see what it looks like to be around, you know,

628
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: different black people. Yeah.

629
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what would you say are some statistics around

630
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: sexual assault and violence on college campuses that people should

631
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: know because I feel like a lot of people don't

632
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: talk about that either.

633
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: They definitely don't, and it's because I think a lot

634
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 4: of people aren't aware that happening, and it's not in

635
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: the you know, overall conversations that especially when it comes

636
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: to relationships and things online, like people aren't really.

637
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 5: Talking about this, They're talking about other stuff.

638
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: And on college campuses, specifically, one in four women in

639
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 4: one in sixteen men will be sexually assaulted during their

640
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 4: time on campus, and at acus fourteen percent of women

641
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: will either report completed or near completed sexual assaults. So

642
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: it is an area that many students, many campuses, and

643
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: overall just young people have found themselves in. And it's

644
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 4: this gray area that's not being addressed. You know, we

645
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: go to school to get this education, you know, build connections,

646
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: network and things of that nature. But it's like, what

647
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: exactly is this environment. It's you know, we need to

648
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 4: learn how to cultivate a safer environment for these things

649
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: to you know, for students to be able to thrive.

650
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: So I was telling Hunter, I'm going to shore the

651
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: story on the show.

652
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: When I was a freshman, and I was I mean,

653
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't green, but you know, you were a freshman,

654
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: you see all the frat boys and stuff like it's

655
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: a very exciting, exhilarating feeling when you're new somewhere and

656
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: you see these things on you know, television shows like

657
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: Different World or like, you know, you see all these

658
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: different things on YouTube about like what college is. And

659
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: for that, for the most part, that was my experience.

660
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: But I remember it was this guy and he was popular. Obviously,

661
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: he was older. He probably was like a junior or senior.

662
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: And I was just like, I was so infatuated with

663
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: him because I was like, oh my god, like he

664
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: is so fine, right, But I was a virgin, Like

665
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: I was very like.

666
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: Pure, if that makes sense, right, Like.

667
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't have no intention of like

668
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: having sex with him or anything, but like I think

669
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: we will like hang out or something. And I think

670
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: one day or something he told me him in his room,

671
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: and so I didn't think nothing of it because I

672
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: mean back in maybe I was a little naive, but

673
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I just never thought that anything.

674
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: And let me knock on a wheel child, I just

675
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: never thought that anything would just happen to me, especially

676
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: on a college campus, because you know, it felt like

677
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: I was safe and people knew me. Security was always around,

678
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: and I just remember us like being in his room

679
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: and like he didn't try to have sex with me,

680
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: but he was definitely co coercing me to have sex

681
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: with him, if that makes sense. And like it was

682
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: so funny because at this past homecoming, me and my

683
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: college friends and the most of them were like guys.

684
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: We was talking about like the language around like you know,

685
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: consent and like sexual assault and like what is the

686
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: blur of lines and this and that, and so I

687
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: actually shared the story with them and they were so quiet,

688
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm fine, but I was like, I

689
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: just think that a lot of times, if you have

690
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: that question, the vibe that's your answer. And I also

691
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: feel like with this particular situation I was in, like

692
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: I knew that he was doing something wrong because he

693
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: didn't want me to tell anybody. Yeah, and I thought

694
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting because I'm like, I think

695
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: he can tell that. I kind of like froze because

696
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: I was so nervous because I was just like I

697
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: didn't want to have sex. And granted I was like, no,

698
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: I'm not ready, but like he was really like trying

699
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: to like force it, but not in a forceful way.

700
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, if that makes sense. So I was just

701
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: telling my friends that and they were just like, wow,

702
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: why you never say anything because I'm like, because he

703
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. But also we didn't have the language

704
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: that we have now, Like we wasn't talking about being

705
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: coerced until like having sex. Like I didn't even know

706
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: what that meant. I didn't even think that was around

707
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: back then. So and I didn't feel like he was

708
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: forcing me. But now I look back on it, I

709
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, the nigga was doing that.

710
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry that.

711
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that like nothing, you know, you know, it didn't

712
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 4: escalate further, but it is a scary situation. To be

713
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: in and having that language to know how to advocate

714
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: for yourself.

715
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really important.

716
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, So what would be some advice you would

717
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: give to young women about protecting themselves in social environments

718
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: like parties and you know, meeting new people, especially in

719
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: the digital age of like dat naps, Like I feel

720
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: like now like it's so easy to.

721
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: Get caught up in something.

722
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

723
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: I think we need to be like questioning a lot

724
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: of things that we kind of let slide or slept

725
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: under the rug, you know, really getting to know, like

726
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: if you're in the dating space, really you know, figuring

727
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: out and getting to the bottom of who you're communicating

728
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 4: with on the other side of the screen, and knowing

729
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: who you're dealing with before you bring people into your

730
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: real life, and being aware of warning signs that could

731
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 4: pop up, like you know, love bombing and gas lighting,

732
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 4: And I know.

733
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 5: Gaslighting is like a big one.

734
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: I think earlier when you asked red flags that a

735
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: lot of people overlook, I'd like to add gaslighting too,

736
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: because I think that's one thing that we've really normalized

737
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: in our society and us as you know, young people

738
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 4: and you know, with phones and you know, cell phones

739
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: and you're able to go someone or you know, WhatsApp.

740
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: It's all these different platforms or even just social media apps.

741
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: It's like you're communicating with someone one moment and then

742
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: you've you know, restricted their access to communication with you

743
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 4: the next and it's a mind game.

744
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so that is a red flag.

745
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: And I say, you know, if it's gaslighting, like, man, that's.

746
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 3: Like a big baby.

747
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: For sure.

748
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: I will also say some advice is to talk to

749
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: your friends, like talk to your your people who you trust,

750
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of times, you know, we

751
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: be so embarrassed or like we'd be like, you know,

752
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable. But I feel like that is the

753
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: importance of having a community where you can share these

754
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: stories because I wish I would have had these conversations

755
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: when I was younger or in college, because who knows

756
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: who this might have helped along their journey if something

757
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: transpired between them and somebody else. So I think that

758
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: a lot of times, like just share your stories, ask questions,

759
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: like if something don't feel right, it's because it's not right,

760
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: but you don't know until you open your mouth and say.

761
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: Something right for sure.

762
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: And on another thing with that, also making sure that

763
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: your friends and those close to you have your location

764
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 4: as well.

765
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 5: You want to be having the conversations, and also making

766
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 5: sure that they know where you are too, because.

767
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: You know so many times you know, that's where things

768
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: can get messed. And so just making sure that at

769
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 4: least someone trusted, you know, knows where you are too.

770
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, how would you say technology has changed the

771
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: land gape of these cases?

772
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 4: Well, I think technology has been an asset to cases

773
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: because with social media and the evolution of you know,

774
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: the digital age, it's really amazing. You're able to upload

775
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 4: something and millions of people have you know, the potential

776
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: to see it. And so uploading or posting about a

777
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: case or reposting a case, you know, I always encourage

778
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: people if you see missing.

779
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 5: Like missing Flyers. You know, Black and.

780
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: Missing is a great organization, and there's so many others

781
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: they they you know, really help in getting doing this work,

782
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: doing the groundwork as well. And and so I always

783
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: like to encourage people to share these share these stories,

784
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 4: share the the posters that come across your screen, because

785
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: the more people that know a lot of times, you know,

786
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: there may be a lack in resolution or a delay

787
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 4: in resolution because people simply don't know, and so media

788
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 4: has been able to fill that gap in a way

789
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: where at least more people if the news isn't covering it,

790
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: at least you can get it out in a different channel.

791
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

792
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

793
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: And also you make a good point, like we have

794
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: to support and share these stories because a lot of

795
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: times people just don't know. So if you see Hunter

796
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: posting something, or if you see anybody as similar, like

797
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 2: you just never any think the care not of life

798
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: is so crazy because you never know that could be

799
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: your story.

800
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: It could be And that's a really I opening like

801
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 4: place to put yourself. And yeah, it's that's actually a

802
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 4: question that I asked myself. Well, I had asked Aaron. Actually,

803
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: I was like when I first started the podcast, I was.

804
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 3: Like, Aaron is the hubby, y'all?

805
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 4: Aaron?

806
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: Aaron? But I asked him. I was like, oh my gosh.

807
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: Once I started looking at the statistics, yeah, like, oh,

808
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: I hope someone would search for me if I got

809
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 4: her listen, Like, oh my goodness, because what the numbers say.

810
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: It's it says something that you know is less than

811
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 4: you know, like satisfactory.

812
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 5: You know, it's like wow, no.

813
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's so crazy.

814
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: And the reason why I said this is because I

815
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: spoke to Nicole Bell, and Nicole Bell was she is

816
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: the fiance of Sean Bell, who was killed, like I

817
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: want to say, almost twenty years ago by wrongfully killed

818
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: by police, police brutality. And she was even saying, like,

819
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, before she even knew a pro like she

820
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: never heard of police brutality before until it came to

821
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: her doorsteps. And that's why I was telling people like yo, like,

822
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: you just never know how life, how the table's gonna turn.

823
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: So I always try to support. I always try to

824
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: like repose, have people on my show and just share

825
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: people's stories because you just never know, man, you never know. Yeah,

826
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: the true crime is one of the most popular podcast

827
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: genres in the world, and Hunter show Hunting for Answer

828
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: is the only true crime podcast on the Black Effect

829
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: podcast slate. So what responsibility do you feel like you

830
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: have and other creators have when it comes to telling

831
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: these stories.

832
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: I feel like I have the responsibility to be represent

833
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: the victims and the families and in the best way,

834
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: like in the most respectful way, I should say, and

835
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: making sure that I do their stories justice. And that's

836
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: really my biggest thing, you know, I just want to

837
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: be able to tell the stories in a respectful way.

838
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: And I know, like other creators, uh, you know, maybe

839
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: they might be more into, you know, the sensationalism and

840
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 4: you know things like that, but that's never really been

841
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 4: my thing. It really is more of like an advocacy

842
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 4: based thing and a awareness type thing.

843
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, covering stories like you have can be

844
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: emotionally heavy. So how do you take care of yourself

845
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: while doing this work? Because I knew you push out

846
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: like a lot of your episodes, but I didn't.

847
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: Know it was like on a daily thing.

848
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, I thought I worked harder than two

849
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: doll I was like, my girl, Hunter is not playing.

850
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 5: Yes yes, So oh my gosh, that just babes.

851
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: Because she was saying yes say. It was on a

852
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: conversation on the phone. She was like, yeah, i'morking like

853
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: a doll hole. I'm like, well, girl, I must be

854
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: a fifty cent hole because I am tired.

855
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 4: I think the best way I take care of myself

856
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: is that's always such a like a hard question. I

857
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: feel like when I do things like going for walks

858
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: or just taking those little moments like at the end

859
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: of each day really enjoying, you know, winding down time.

860
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: And I'm like, if it's my skincare routine, yeah, it's

861
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 4: not extensive or anything, but even just you know, putting

862
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: my moisturizer on or whatever I'm doing, or taking a

863
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: shower or like, you know, just having the kind of

864
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: wind down routines at the end of the day and

865
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 4: disconnecting from work. I think that that is the best

866
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: way I love. I live in Atlanta, and so I

867
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 4: always walk the boutline.

868
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 5: That's one of my favorite things to do. So I'm really,

869
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 5: really yeah we should.

870
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 4: We should walk it the next time you come, because

871
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: it's just getting nice.

872
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 5: Oh yes, I'm excited.

873
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: But things like walking the belt line just getting fresh air, Like,

874
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest way.

875
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 5: That one of the biggest ways I take care of myself.

876
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: Have there been moments where you need to step back

877
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: because a story or a couple of stories affected you deeply.

878
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: There have been some stories where I'm writing them or

879
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: reading about them, or even after I've spoken to you know,

880
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: some families and even in you know, some interviews, like

881
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: it'll bring their crying.

882
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 5: I'm crying. Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's.

883
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: Like, oh, and the reason why I ask is because

884
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: like there are certain stories that I can remember vividly

885
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: that like mess me up. Like there's certain conversations I'm like, oh,

886
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: I gotta really pray about because I just it triggers me,

887
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: and like I wonder for you, Like you know, for

888
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: these most of these stories are not your story. But

889
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: obviously you being a black woman, like I can only

890
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: imagine you've seen yourself and then you're talking to these

891
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: families and you just want to just do so much.

892
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes the resources can be limited and

893
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: that could be a lot.

894
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, it can be, but I definitely just

895
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 4: try to keep the bigger picture. Yeah, and the bigger

896
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 4: picture is that, you know, this whole initiative, the whole

897
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: mission behind it, it's so much bigger than myself. And yeah,

898
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 4: you know, it's really to build something that's kind of

899
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: really not even kind of that's shining a light on

900
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: an issue that needs more attention. And so that's what

901
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 4: I keep at the forefront of my mind. And you know,

902
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: even when it does get heavy, I'm like I'm like,

903
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 4: oh wow, I don't know, I'm thinking, I'm I'm like, okay,

904
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 4: the listener and the audience.

905
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 5: You know, they'll be able to really.

906
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 4: And feel how impactful ye are, and you know, hopefully

907
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: it'll influence them to you know, act you know, I

908
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 4: don't know, like practice safer practices.

909
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 5: In their life, or communicate, keep.

910
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: The line of communication open with loved ones, whatever it

911
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: may be. I think, just keeping people aware of, you know,

912
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 4: what's going on and protecting ourselves and each other.

913
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Speaker 1: You know.

914
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Speaker 3: I'm just curious, how has how has doing this podcast

915
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: changed how you personally move throughout the world.

916
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely be looking everywhere. It has made me

917
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: very I was all already an aware person of my

918
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 4: surround It definitely has heightened my eye to just always

919
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 4: be aware of what's going on and just doing different

920
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: different things like you know, not getting gased late at

921
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 4: night and not probably a lot of people might not

922
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 4: think about, but at one thing I've noticed, you know,

923
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 4: gas stations. These tragedies will happen or involve gas stations somehow,

924
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, like you know, just being sure,

925
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: like when you're getting gas, you know, looking and making

926
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: sure you know that nothing bizarre, you know, or potentially

927
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: dangerous is happening around you.

928
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Speaker 5: Yeah, has this.

929
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Speaker 2: Work effected how you view vulnerability and trust?

930
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: It has, However, it's not necessarily in my own life,

931
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 4: but just in some of the things that I've learned

932
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 4: along the way. And I didn't know that a lot

933
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 4: of people, a lot of women who are involved in

934
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Speaker 4: sex trafficking, are being trafficked by a partner.

935
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Speaker 5: And they have no idea.

936
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Speaker 4: And that was one thing that I was like, really

937
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 4: because you never think of that, and.

938
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Speaker 3: So could you imagine?

939
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

940
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 5: I couldn't.

941
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, what does that look like in the coersion

942
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: or the grooming or the whatever you know comes along

943
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: with that. It's it's like unimaginable.

944
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, facts, facts, fact, So that's what at least if

945
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: someone's listening suspects something isn't right in their relationship or

946
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: within their environment, where are the first steps they should take?

947
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 4: I think always telling someone a trusted person. Of course,

948
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 4: I also think it depends on what kind of situation

949
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: is going on. So if it is something where you

950
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: need you know, law enforcement help or authorities, then definitely

951
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: reach out to them. There's also a lot of different

952
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 4: resources out there, you know, resources, different resources like apps

953
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: and stuff. You can background check people and you know,

954
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: just kind of figure out how to navigate through life

955
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 4: with you know, some of the tools out there that

956
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 4: are available, some of the resources and organizations out there

957
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: that that you can reach out to. And then you know,

958
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 4: the third thing, if you know a trusted friend or adult,

959
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 4: if you're a minor, just someone you can really confide

960
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: in and not being discouraged. If you can fide it

961
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 4: in someone and nothing happened as a result of that,

962
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 4: you know, just continuing to know that you you know,

963
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 4: you deserve to how you feel is warranted and you

964
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: deserve to get the help that you need and that

965
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 4: you're seeking.

966
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 3: Come a hunter, that's I'm talking.

967
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: I have like a proud big sister man to everyone

968
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 2: where they can listen to your show Hunting for Answers,

969
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: where we can follow you and support you?

970
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: And what are you working on now or next? Should

971
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 3: I say.

972
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: Yes so you guys can follow me on Hunting for Answers.

973
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 4: You can listen to us on the Black Effect podcast network,

974
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 4: iHeart or.

975
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: Anywhere look at your audio from already know you already know.

976
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 4: Also Hunting for Answers on social media. You can also

977
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 4: follow me I'm more hunter on platforms. It's m o

978
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 4: r Ee Hunter, and coming up next we have Spellman

979
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: and Agnes Scott and so just continuing the Hunting for

980
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: Answers camp toward this semester and then Man gearing up

981
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 4: for the next semester, because I mean, the work is important,

982
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: there's a need for it, and I'm just excited to

983
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 4: bring information to people that you know generally, aren't you

984
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 4: know looking for these things or aware of these things.

985
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

986
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: Well, I'm super proud of you. I think you are

987
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: so dope. I love the work that you're doing and

988
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm just so excited for what's to come in your future.

989
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you know, we are in

990
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: each other lives. And however I can support you, Hunter,

991
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: I am always here, so super super proud of you.

992
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 5: Thank you.

993
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you too, and I'm here whenever

994
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: I'm here to support you in whatever ways as well.

995
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 5: Thank you.

996
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 2: And also, can you just let everyone he knows because

997
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: Hunter supported me, she purchased a color and.

998
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: Book, Volume three. Can you just let them know how

999
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 3: great Volume three is the color and book.

1000
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 5: Yes, it's phenomenal. I love it.

1001
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: That's actually one of my things that I did get

1002
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: into was coloring more and paging more.

1003
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Speaker 5: So I definitely.

1004
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: Anything that you know, stimulate the mind and be artistic

1005
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 4: and all for it. So yes, if you haven't already,

1006
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 4: definitely pick up. I know you have the next volume

1007
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 4: coming out if they are, is it not? Yeah?

1008
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: So Volume four is out now, and Volume four is

1009
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: an extension of Volume three. So volume three is teenager

1010
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: friendly and up, and Volume four is strictly for grown people, y'all.

1011
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: I don't want nobody mama coming to me as a woman.

1012
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: So it is twenty additional pages, and we are supporting

1013
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: those who work in nightlife. So please do not give

1014
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: this to anybody. Honestly, I was gonna say under eighteen,

1015
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: but I want to say under twenty one because the

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00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: illustrations in there are pretty graphic.

1017
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 5: Oh really, what you gonna have us be coloring in there?

1018
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: It's a little spicy, it's so fired. I'm gonna send

1019
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: you a copy.

1020
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Speaker 2: But yeah, So please make sure to support by clicking

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00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: the show notes clicking the link in the show notes below.

1022
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 3: And to Hunter, thank you so much.

1023
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: I am like super excited he was able to do this.

1024
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: We have never did a recording together, so this was fun.

1025
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Speaker 5: It was super fun.

1026
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, and I can't wait to

1027
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: do more in the future. We got to talk about

1028
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: more stuff.

1029
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, into the listeners.

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Speaker 2: If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, or you

1031
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: want to just say hey girl, hey, please make sure

1032
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: to email me a hello at the psgpodcast dot com.

1033
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Speaker 3: And until next time, everyone, Later you gonna say bye.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye everyone.

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Speaker 2: Pretty Private is a production of the Black Effect podcast Network.

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