Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch,
Speaker 1: hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,
Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenney.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, Hi did you see what I did with
Speaker 2: my voice there?
Speaker 3: I sort of went, Hi, God, you did it very
Speaker 3: sky Yeah, you because we are talking about episode five,
Speaker 3: Come in Stranger, which originally aired on October thirty first,
Speaker 3: two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: And you know, my daughter knows. I think you know too.
Speaker 2: But Halloween has always been a really big deal in
Speaker 2: our house, and Halloween doesn't really have anything to do
Speaker 2: with this episode other than the fact that it aired
Speaker 2: on Halloween. Wait, I will say that I got very
Speaker 2: excited about it.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, I actually loved this episode,
Speaker 4: and I think it's very appropriate that it aired on
Speaker 4: Halloween because to me, this feels like this is where
Speaker 4: the mystery and the crime plot really picks up in
Speaker 4: a pervasive way in the neighbor hood on Westeria Lane.
Speaker 2: Oh that's very true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very true, and something scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true. We have a break in happening
Speaker 2: at the beginning, and that leads to Susan exploring and
Speaker 2: confused about her feelings between her and Mike. And we've
Speaker 2: got Gabby whose mother in law's scarily unannounced at the
Speaker 2: at the house, and Brie still struggling in her marriage
Speaker 2: with Rex, and Brie also becomes heightenedly worried about Zach
Speaker 2: and Janette, of course, is uh scared of her kids
Speaker 2: and she should be. So did you guys have a
Speaker 2: favorite or you know, some sort of moment that stuck
Speaker 2: out to you that you're excited to dig into more?
Speaker 4: I really did, I mean I had, I had a
Speaker 4: couple of different moments, but one and we're going to
Speaker 4: get to it because it happens a little bit later
Speaker 4: in the episode is when Susan ends up walking the street.
Speaker 4: And my favorite moment is very small and it's a
Speaker 4: definitely a behind the scenes, be in the know if
Speaker 4: you're in the know. But when Susan takes out her
Speaker 4: phone to call Julie, it is a bedazzled flip phone,
Speaker 4: Samson flip phone, and it is the same phone I
Speaker 4: had as my first phone. I mean, obviously you weren't
Speaker 4: using my phone as a prop in that right, but
Speaker 4: it was exactly the same model. Mine was also bedazzled
Speaker 4: and I think I screamed out loud when I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: got my phone.
Speaker 5: Oh, oh my god, Oh the nostalgia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my favorite moment and some of the
Speaker 4: lines that in that and this is really their choice
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say my favorite moment from the episode
Speaker 6: happens during the It's really just the dinner scene with
Speaker 6: with bree and Zach. I found that scene to be
Speaker 6: really powerful. I think we discussed in leading up to
Speaker 6: this episode we wanted to know more of breeze backstory.
Speaker 6: We wanted to know more about where she came from,
Speaker 6: and the insight into what she shares about the experience
Speaker 6: she had with her mom's tragic passing when she was
Speaker 6: young really informs a lot about who she is today.
Speaker 6: And I thought that was really powerful and beautifully played
Speaker 6: by both Marcia and and Cody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well sort of similarly. I think mine was also
Speaker 2: a free line. I don't know if it wasn't in
Speaker 2: that dinner scene, but I was really struck by her
Speaker 2: line that she says, just because you didn't hear them
Speaker 2: fighting doesn't mean they were happy and in a sad,
Speaker 2: deep way, which this show can do this to you,
Speaker 2: you know. I unfortunately, feel like that is pervasive still
Speaker 2: in our culture today, and you look at social media,
Speaker 2: the sort of the difference between the presentation of the
Speaker 2: life and then the actual life. And so I feel
Speaker 2: like that episode really gets This episode really gets into
Speaker 2: that with all of these characters. So let's dive in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do it?
Speaker 2: So? I wanted to talk about how it opens with
Speaker 2: Julie and and Susan having to take care of a cat.
Speaker 4: I said, Mom, this episode is for you. We are
Speaker 4: opening on missus Frome the cat Lady.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wrote down also cat Lady vibes. Let's talk
Speaker 6: about it with Terry.
Speaker 2: I don't feel complimented, That's all I'm saying right now.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting thrown under the cat Lady.
Speaker 4: When you when you go out of town, you are
Speaker 4: very worried about your cat and who is going to.
Speaker 2: Work very hard to leave them.
Speaker 4: You leave a long list of ways to feed them.
Speaker 4: They each have different ways to be fed. I have
Speaker 4: executed some of these tasks and luckily there's never been
Speaker 4: a break in and the door has never been left.
Speaker 2: Ajar, Can I just say there is a shot where
Speaker 2: the cat like goes and crawls into her suitcase as
Speaker 2: she's packing. It's just a very mind but it's a thing.
Speaker 2: And you guys out there, you have to let me know.
Speaker 2: Like when I pack, my cat always gets in my suitcase.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think I printed out a picture I
Speaker 2: was going to show you. I have the cutest picture
Speaker 2: of fig in a suitcase. But it's inevitable that the
Speaker 2: cat will get in your suit suitcase too, So you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's a real thing.
Speaker 7: Does it smell like you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 7: Why do they have no idea?
Speaker 2: But in this scene, the cat goes through the suitcase
Speaker 2: of missus Froner who's leaving, which I was like, that's
Speaker 2: so honest. It's a tiny, tiny detail. But like I
Speaker 2: liked it and appreciated it. And what else was I
Speaker 2: thinking about? Oh? The other thing was that surprised me
Speaker 2: is I didn't remember shooting this at all?
Speaker 5: No, me, neither, I mean neither, I really.
Speaker 6: I think that's one of the fun things about rewatching
Speaker 6: it is just seeing how much was dumped from my mind.
Speaker 6: I we're there, we're filming, I'm like, wow, I truly
Speaker 6: have no recollection of us doing that, of any of
Speaker 6: this storyline of there being a cat.
Speaker 5: Involved at all.
Speaker 8: I want to make like a cat burglar in here
Speaker 8: somewhere right, it's hovering right around us.
Speaker 5: But it's true.
Speaker 2: I would have thought that the cat, like working with
Speaker 2: a cat would have stuck in my brain because I
Speaker 2: love animals so much and I'm obsessed with animals and
Speaker 2: cats specifically, And I did not remember filming the sun.
Speaker 7: Maybe it's because I know.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's because Susan does such a bad job taking
Speaker 4: care of the cat, which honestly, I think is a
Speaker 4: little bit unfair, because then we go into this montage
Speaker 4: talking about Susan's misfortunes and all of the things that
Speaker 4: kind of go wrong when she tries to help or
Speaker 4: when she tries to be involved in a certain scenario.
Speaker 4: And in terms of the cat, I thought, you know what,
Speaker 4: someone breaking into the house is really out of Susan's control.
Speaker 4: I feel like that really has nothing to do with her.
Speaker 4: But I was curious in terms of remembering moments, I
Speaker 4: wrote down.
Speaker 2: I love when you write things down.
Speaker 7: I'm so good at it.
Speaker 4: On my phone, I tag it down, I said, I
Speaker 4: remember this falling on the table stunt, and then I said,
Speaker 4: care to share.
Speaker 2: Mom Oh, yes, that was the first rib I broke.
Speaker 2: Definitely broke a rib on that one. You were saying
Speaker 2: that you remember, I remember, And this is not because
Speaker 2: again we've talked about people confusing Terry and Susan, and
Speaker 2: Susan can't cook and Terry can cook, and Susan's a
Speaker 2: fairly inept mother and Terry is not. And Susan's a
Speaker 2: klutz and Terry is not. And the reason Terry is
Speaker 2: not is because that takes to be able to turn
Speaker 2: your body lean on the table, have it fall in
Speaker 2: a certain way, have your face end up in a cake,
Speaker 2: and do that over and over.
Speaker 7: All the glasses fallen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that so choreographed, and it's so effort full,
Speaker 2: even though it looks like it just happened. And on
Speaker 2: one take it was, you know, because we probably did
Speaker 2: it five or six times. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: how many cakes we had. But on one take I
Speaker 2: just pushed too hard. That table was made of hard plywood,
Speaker 2: and somehow I landed on my side and cracked one
Speaker 2: of my ribs. Yeah, so I was unlucky. Like that
Speaker 2: was a moment.
Speaker 5: Did you know right away that something might have been cracked?
Speaker 2: I think I knew right away that I was in
Speaker 2: that I was in pain.
Speaker 5: But I all met at home.
Speaker 2: But I also appreciated the bird scene the little and
Speaker 2: I was trying to remember that must have been CGI
Speaker 2: had in right, There's no way anybody had a bird
Speaker 2: on a fishing line that they were just like off camera.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it must have been a post.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought, I mean not to toot my own horn,
Speaker 2: But I was like, it is kind of funny to
Speaker 2: look back on this and a think, wow, I look
Speaker 2: like a baby. I can't believe I didn't realize at
Speaker 2: the time I was so young, but also be like that.
Speaker 7: Was really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4: That whole montage of all of those little comedic moments.
Speaker 7: It really makes me think of mom.
Speaker 4: This is one of our favorite movies of Defending Your
Speaker 4: Life Albert Brooks, and there is this incredible montage when
Speaker 4: Albert Brooks's character is watching back moments in his life
Speaker 4: and the woman who I mean, I forgive me. If
Speaker 4: you've never seen Defending Your Life, you need this podcast.
Speaker 7: And watch it right now.
Speaker 4: But the woman who's trying him for his life says,
Speaker 4: and now I'm going to show you a compilation of moments,
Speaker 4: some of them plagued by fear, some of them just stupid.
Speaker 4: It's a compilation of all these physical stunts that Albert
Speaker 4: Brooks execute so well. And I really thought of you, well,
Speaker 4: I mean that.
Speaker 2: To even be remotely a tenth compared to a genius
Speaker 2: like that. But I mean, those are the people that I,
Speaker 2: you know, studied like those movements and those comedic beats,
Speaker 2: you know, going back to Lucille Ball. But you know,
Speaker 2: somebody like Albert Brooks, I mean, or or Terry garr
Speaker 2: In Tutsie. I mean, I mean that is where I
Speaker 2: a sponge from those things. And anyway, great.
Speaker 7: Show.
Speaker 2: So we moved through Susan having bad luck and the
Speaker 2: whole thing with the cat, and then we get to
Speaker 2: a group scene, and I just wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: how these were very arduous scenes to shoot because there
Speaker 2: were so many people in them, and that means you
Speaker 2: have to shoot from so many different angles and you're
Speaker 2: just doing the same thing over and over and over
Speaker 2: for hours and hours and hours to try to get
Speaker 2: coverage of everyone, which is fairly exhaustive. But that said,
Speaker 2: there was such power in having the whole cast in
Speaker 2: the same room and and then the cleanup afterwards, and
Speaker 2: and and I don't know.
Speaker 6: Well, because we talk about how it's it's when we
Speaker 6: watch the show, you know, it's really fun for you
Speaker 6: and I having been on the show to watch it
Speaker 6: because there was so much we didn't see. We would
Speaker 6: read the scripts, but we didn't see these, you know,
Speaker 6: other storylines, And so when you get a group scene,
Speaker 6: it's really nice, I think as a viewer to see
Speaker 6: all of these people in one room to watch even
Speaker 6: in the background, like I'm noticing that I'm paying attention
Speaker 6: to who is talking to who in the background. You know.
Speaker 2: Oh, that was another thing I loved about the scene
Speaker 2: that all those extras that are crossing the street and
Speaker 2: walking in like that was Patty. Patty was my stand
Speaker 2: in for the entire run of the show, and Rosie,
Speaker 2: Patty and Rosie go walking across the street, and it
Speaker 2: just I mean, I know, I'm gonna cry like it.
Speaker 2: You well, you know, I was a crew girl, you know, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is about me. I've never been.
Speaker 2: I that was that was the the connection for me,
Speaker 2: was all those families and their crew people, and you know,
Speaker 2: we would go camping together.
Speaker 7: Like yeah, I mean for years and and D and D.
Speaker 2: D A and uh it and and they would come
Speaker 2: to my house for parties and and I threw bridle
Speaker 2: showers and things were Patty and baby showers for people.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5: Your community, it was people, it was your family, and
Speaker 5: for so.
Speaker 2: Much stand in it's a hard job. And I know
Speaker 2: I think I'm tiary because I know Patty had a
Speaker 2: lot of respect for me, and I have a lot
Speaker 2: of respect for her back. And it was just a
Speaker 2: moment in time. You know, eight years of a relationship.
Speaker 2: We haven't kept in touch really, but I don't know
Speaker 2: her work, her her sort of diligence to kind of
Speaker 2: really clock what I would do in a rehearsal so
Speaker 2: that she could repeat it enough that it would get
Speaker 2: lit in the right way, which is really what a
Speaker 2: stand in's job is is is you know, if they're
Speaker 2: not paying attention and they decide to like sit on
Speaker 2: the stool and then you come back and you're like,
Speaker 2: I wasn't sitting, then it's not lit right. And so
Speaker 2: it's an important job in terms of how they represent you.
Speaker 2: And she really cared and.
Speaker 7: Well that's so moving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, gosh, I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 2: talk about that, I.
Speaker 6: Know, but it's nice and it was. It was noticeable
Speaker 6: to see them on screen like that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: we didn't get to see them on screen, you know,
Speaker 6: so it felt really it popped off for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally noticing the people that were the extras that
Speaker 2: were there on sort of a loop of a basis
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. Yeah, it's really sweet.
Speaker 4: I love the community scenes too, because for me, it
Speaker 4: feels like each time we get to see the whole
Speaker 4: community together, all the women, yes, but all of the
Speaker 4: other characters on the block, it just strengthens this idea
Speaker 4: that there is really a fifth sixth character, which is
Speaker 4: with Sterry Lane. And I felt like I got such
Speaker 4: a larger understanding of what of community with Steria Lane is.
Speaker 4: You know that a police officer is actually coming to
Speaker 4: stand in someone's room to do a kind of town
Speaker 4: hall about vigilance, about how to lock your doors and
Speaker 4: how to make sure that you're safe. It really grounds
Speaker 4: it in a even I know they never say, you know,
Speaker 4: with Steria Lane is set in a fictional place, but
Speaker 4: in a very specific atmosphere of an idea of an
Speaker 4: American town that I found.
Speaker 2: It makes you feel like I want to live in
Speaker 2: a town where the police come and give like a
Speaker 2: lecture to the neighborhood. I would like.
Speaker 7: The equivalent of that with me.
Speaker 4: Downtown is like a citizen and Reddit subgroups talking about
Speaker 4: why fireworks are going off at two am every single night.
Speaker 5: Not building chairs and croissants in someone's living room.
Speaker 2: App So in that cleanup scene with all the women
Speaker 2: and this, I know we will we'll get to at
Speaker 2: the at the end, you know, kind of our claim
Speaker 2: maming of what our most desperate moment was. But I
Speaker 2: found it to be very interesting and somehow feel familiar
Speaker 2: to me, although I couldn't remember anything specific that had
Speaker 2: happened to me. But have you ever been asked to
Speaker 2: lie for somebody? Oh?
Speaker 7: Gosh, yes?
Speaker 2: And so what happens is Lynette asks Bree to lie
Speaker 2: to the private school about her kids being wonderful students
Speaker 2: so that they have a better chance of getting in.
Speaker 2: And Bree is sort of like, well, your kids aren't wonderful,
Speaker 2: so you want me to lie and let It's like, well, duh,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, And it was It's an interesting has
Speaker 2: that happened to you.
Speaker 4: This is such a tough moral spot. And I had
Speaker 4: the same instinct because I noted that moment too, and
Speaker 4: I thought, gosh, okay, have I been in a scenario
Speaker 4: like this, because my impulse is to say, yeah, of course,
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like I have, you know,
Speaker 4: not around Obviously, I couldn't get anyone's kid into any school.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but you know, actually, just recently, okay, I do,
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 7: I have a moment of this.
Speaker 4: So in my communal building where I live, loft building,
Speaker 4: there's an outdoor parking structure and we share it with
Speaker 4: another building that is not a residential building.
Speaker 7: It's like an office building. And they were opening.
Speaker 4: New offices and they pulled and I happened to see
Speaker 4: it because my girlfriend and I were walking out in
Speaker 4: our outdoor parking lot to go to a coffee shop
Speaker 4: in the morning, and they pulled this like eighteen wheeler
Speaker 4: truck into the outdoor parking area, which is very narrow.
Speaker 4: It was blocking all the cars, so nobody who lived
Speaker 4: there could get in, and it had we hadn't seen this.
Speaker 7: This is the moral gray are, okay, but it was clearly.
Speaker 4: Like not supposed to be in a parking structure of
Speaker 4: that size, And as we were coming back from coffee,
Speaker 4: the truck had moved, but we noticed that the gate
Speaker 4: to the outside was clearly broken. I mean it was
Speaker 4: still opening and closing, but it was making this horrible
Speaker 4: screeching sound, and it had all of these like slash
Speaker 4: marks along it. And this man who runs the hoa
Speaker 4: for the building was out there and he kind of
Speaker 4: was looking and very hairy looking at the gate and
Speaker 4: seemed very distressed. And he sort of said to us
Speaker 4: as we walked by, did you did you see what happened?
Speaker 4: Did you see this big truck? And we said, oh,
Speaker 4: is that? I mean, yeah, obviously we see the gates damage.
Speaker 4: And we did see there was a truck here this
Speaker 4: morning when we were leaving, and it seemed like, you know,
Speaker 4: they couldn't fit. And he said, well, will you go
Speaker 4: on the record saying you saw them hit the gate?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Oh, when you didn't see them?
Speaker 7: We didn't see them hit the gate.
Speaker 4: And we said we were like, oh, you know, we
Speaker 4: didn't actually see.
Speaker 7: Them hit the gate.
Speaker 4: You know, I can deduce, like any of us can deduce,
Speaker 4: that that is what happened. And I'm happy to say
Speaker 4: that I saw there was a truck here, but I
Speaker 4: really can't say I saw it hit the gate for
Speaker 4: you because I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it does come up. Yeah, yeah it felt familiars.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it has in small ways.
Speaker 6: You know, if someone and I'm going to use an example,
Speaker 6: that feels weird, but you know, because like if you
Speaker 6: have to be a reference for someone for something, that's
Speaker 6: why it feels weird. Some'm like, when has someone asked
Speaker 6: me to be a reference? But I have a recollection
Speaker 6: of someone being like, hey, could you write me a
Speaker 6: letter of recommendation or something? And you know, maybe I've
Speaker 6: felt like, because I have love for this person, I
Speaker 6: would inflate it a little bit or something like that.
Speaker 6: But I found this to be an interesting moment too.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 6: One, it was very funny, right when she says, so
Speaker 6: you want me to lie? And she said yeah, I
Speaker 6: thought that was implied. Yeah, that was very funny. But
Speaker 6: I also thought maybe bree could actually really relate. This
Speaker 6: is speaking Breeze language right, as someone who strives so
Speaker 6: hard to present a certain image. And yes, her kids
Speaker 6: might be better behaved in general, but she does have
Speaker 6: other examples of when something's not entirely on the up
Speaker 6: and up, and she portrays it that way anyway. So
Speaker 6: I thought maybe as Lynette's friend, she could have a
Speaker 6: softer approach to understanding why Lynette was asking.
Speaker 2: Her to You mean she could have or you think
Speaker 2: she did.
Speaker 5: No, I think she could have. I kind of. I mean,
Speaker 5: I understand because she doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she ends with you know, but of course
Speaker 2: you don't care about my like the fact that I
Speaker 2: would want to get my grandchildren in.
Speaker 5: And like yeah, yeah, and she's like no, not really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought the reason that Brie was so resistant was
Speaker 4: exactly because of what you said, Because I think Bree
Speaker 4: seems like a character who is actually just barely holding
Speaker 4: everything together behind this facade of perfectionism, that the last
Speaker 4: thing she needs to take on is someone else's lie
Speaker 4: about someone else's life, because she is kind of struggling
Speaker 4: with all of the potential lies or half truth she's
Speaker 4: woven around herself.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The end of this scene, they is the line that
Speaker 2: I brought up at the beginning, which is that you just, uh,
Speaker 2: just because you didn't hear fighting doesn't mean that they
Speaker 2: were happy. And I do think that that is maybe
Speaker 2: who says that?
Speaker 3: Who that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Because they hear. They hear Paul and Zach fighting again.
Speaker 6: They're establishing that they must have been, you know, they've
Speaker 6: been fighting a lot recently. And they're standing on the
Speaker 6: front porch looking out at their house and they can hear,
Speaker 6: you know, this loud argument happening.
Speaker 2: And I think it's just one of again those moments
Speaker 2: of nostalgia that people can relate to of that it
Speaker 2: is very pervasive, totally, this feeling, you know, you go,
Speaker 2: even though this is a crazy neighborhood with crazy stuff
Speaker 2: happening in it, there is this grounded sense of yeah,
Speaker 2: I've felt that before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they're there.
Speaker 6: They're all gathered to have this neighborhood watch meeting because,
Speaker 6: as we discussed in the top of the episode, there's
Speaker 6: a b in and that sort of sets everything off,
Speaker 6: and there's an item left behind, which sort of screwdriver
Speaker 6: as a screwdriver on the kitchen counter of We get
Speaker 6: to meet a new character. We meet Ida Greenberg in
Speaker 6: this episode, and that's really fun. We meet a couple
Speaker 6: of people who end up being on the show.
Speaker 2: I do feel like Mark or the casting or the
Speaker 2: casting department, or the two of them together, they really
Speaker 2: did go out of their way to try to cast
Speaker 2: people that maybe wouldn't be cast in other things. Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean the way I've said that,
Speaker 2: I kind of joke that ABC wouldn't have cast four
Speaker 2: women over forty if they had known how old we were.
Speaker 2: I also think, you know, the looking at trying to
Speaker 2: put an old person in a role.
Speaker 4: I mean, it feels very real, like they're creating an
Speaker 4: honest sense of thing.
Speaker 5: And I love that.
Speaker 2: They were creating those roles for those actors.
Speaker 7: Oh, me too.
Speaker 6: And I love that her complaint at the meeting was
Speaker 6: that someone is trying to peep on her while she's
Speaker 6: in the shower.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 6: So so the screwdriver's left, Susan you know, realizes, oh,
Speaker 6: maybe this could be helpful to the police.
Speaker 5: So she bags it.
Speaker 6: As potential evidence, which is charming and maybe really ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But honestly though, it made me think, I know,
Speaker 4: we always say Susan and so Mom, no, just that you,
Speaker 4: the two of you are not similar. Although I did
Speaker 4: feel like the overachiever in you, Mom that always wants
Speaker 4: to go above and beyond and get an A plus
Speaker 4: and follow things by.
Speaker 7: The letter and really do the right thing.
Speaker 4: It reminded me a little bit of Susan's intention behind
Speaker 4: wanting to be like, I make make sure you didn't
Speaker 4: miss this piece of evidence, right this. I want to
Speaker 4: help you solve this. And well, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: That you think it comes from that place, because I
Speaker 2: think some people think it may be her. That character
Speaker 2: trait came from her just wanting to get involved in everything.
Speaker 2: And I did like a like almost like a nosy
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be a part of everything.
Speaker 7: We already have missus Hooper.
Speaker 6: She fills up that nosy neighbor cup just fine on
Speaker 6: her own.
Speaker 2: So we then have Gabby's mother in law.
Speaker 4: Oh out of nowhere, yes, brutal in law appearance.
Speaker 6: Yes, And man, that is a that sets off a
Speaker 6: whole dynamic there, I mean.
Speaker 2: And she she has a line that the mother in
Speaker 2: law family should always hug, regardless of how they feel
Speaker 2: about each other. And I mean that just almost I
Speaker 2: don't know. That really made it hard for me to breathe.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of Susan actually says, which is,
Speaker 2: here's another way Susan and Terry are not alike at all.
Speaker 2: Susan says in the end, of might have been the
Speaker 2: last episode or third, she says to missus Huber, Yes,
Speaker 2: was the mincemeat episode. After we get the frisbee back,
Speaker 2: I mean, after we get the we do the frizzy measure,
Speaker 2: we get the measuring cup back. She says something I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 2: but it's like every time I say hello, every time
Speaker 2: I say I hope you have a good day, I'm
Speaker 2: really thinking I hate your guts and I cannot live
Speaker 2: like that as a person, Like it's way too much
Speaker 2: to hold on to. Yeah, it's way too much to
Speaker 2: hold on to. And so it's sort of like snagged
Speaker 2: me a little bit on Susan's personality that I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is Susan really that kind of person? I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess I guess she is, because that's that's the character
Speaker 2: we're creating. But it's it's so now we're doubling down
Speaker 2: on you should always hug, no matter how you feel well.
Speaker 4: And she is just Wanita Carlos's mom is such a
Speaker 4: tough character to empathize with, because I loved how that
Speaker 4: plot reveals itself that it seems like, okay, she showed
Speaker 4: up unannounced, and then you get the reveal that Carlos
Speaker 4: has actually called her because he is suspicious and he
Speaker 4: kind of wants like eyes on the inside.
Speaker 7: And then and this, I know we've talked a lot.
Speaker 4: About Carlos's behavior seeming really problematic, and I felt like
Speaker 4: we started to get a little peek into maybe his
Speaker 4: backstory when he starts breaking down and crying and he's
Speaker 4: really vulnerable with his mom saying that he's afraid that
Speaker 4: Gabby's having an affair, and she hits him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, smacks him across the face, across the face, and
Speaker 8: she says, you know.
Speaker 2: We don't cry about our problems. We find ways to
Speaker 2: fix them.
Speaker 4: And there is the seed of toxic masculinity being bred
Speaker 4: in Carlos.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you that? Was I wrote, I think
Speaker 2: this might be one of my highlight moments. Such a strong,
Speaker 2: borderline abusive character revealing that he just doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to make it right with the woman he loves. And
Speaker 2: then he cries yeah, and you can you can see
Speaker 2: the beginning of that toxic masculinity of where like he
Speaker 2: really wants to love. That's what I saw in that
Speaker 2: scene that Carlos really wants to love, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: have the first clue about how to correctly get there,
Speaker 2: and now we know why.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and he has this mother figure who
Speaker 4: instead of saying, oh my gosh, thank you for being vulnerable,
Speaker 4: it's you know, offering him some sort of comfort. She
Speaker 4: teaches him this very problematic behavior.
Speaker 6: That showing emotion is weakness, that it equates to somehow
Speaker 6: being weak versus what it actually is, which of course
Speaker 6: we know is its strength. It's completely a strength, and
Speaker 6: it could have been a breakthrough moment with him and
Speaker 6: his mom, and instead she's backs him across the face
Speaker 6: and she tells him we don't cry.
Speaker 5: And then she goes to do his bidding by.
Speaker 6: Spying on Gabrielle through you know the rest of the
Speaker 6: episode and trying to catch her inkes Gabrielle's life. Hell, yes,
Speaker 6: makes Gabrielle and John the Gardener, Yes, our teenage friend.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Another amazing line from John the Gardener. I used a
Speaker 4: month's worth of lunch money to pay for that motel room.
Speaker 2: I know. Wait, I've got another one of John's just
Speaker 2: so you know, I've turned down half the pep squad
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I actually wrote down I think emer
Speaker 6: since right because of what you'd said in a previous episode,
Speaker 6: and I was like, I think the writers might have
Speaker 6: just been having a really good time with these teenage
Speaker 6: references at this point, because they are they are something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2: They're really miring him in in uh Minerville.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, they're tripling down on that.
Speaker 6: I don't think there was an interesting moment in the
Speaker 6: Gabrielle storyline that really felt powerful and relevant today to me,
Speaker 6: which is when they're out shopping and her mother in
Speaker 6: law is trailing her, as we know, and she's just
Speaker 6: not letting her out of her sight and they're in
Speaker 6: this Lauderie store and they're talking about you know, she
Speaker 6: makes a comment about Gabrielle having children and giving her purpose,
Speaker 6: and Gabrielle says, and for the record, I'm not one
Speaker 6: of those women who has a hole in her heart
Speaker 6: that can only be filled.
Speaker 5: By a baby.
Speaker 6: And I just thought, you know, we don't really explore
Speaker 6: that that much at this point in the storyline of
Speaker 6: Carlos and Gabby not having children, but I do know
Speaker 6: that that is still very relevant in conversations I have
Speaker 6: all the time with my friends about you know.
Speaker 5: Becoming parents.
Speaker 6: And and that journey and the feeling of you know,
Speaker 6: what's expected of you or what gives you purpose or
Speaker 6: if you can live a childless life and be fulfilled
Speaker 6: and happy, which they've actually shown studies that very much
Speaker 6: bolster that sentiment. And so I really kind of liked this.
Speaker 6: We haven't had that many moments of Gabrielle with having
Speaker 6: strong convictions about things that are on the right side
Speaker 6: of morality thus far.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thought this was a nice moment for
Speaker 5: her character.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think so too. And it gets a little
Speaker 2: glossed over. So I'm glad because she says it with
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, umph. Yeah, but we don't
Speaker 2: really come back to it, and we don't linger there.
Speaker 2: We don't linger there, And it's kind of worth again
Speaker 2: pointing out in the writing. I mean to just keep,
Speaker 2: you know, praising Mark Cherry and the writers for finding
Speaker 2: these little moments that resonate so strongly that you know
Speaker 2: you can still talk about them as relevant twenty years later.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm curious, Andrea. I mean, and if it's personal,
Speaker 4: we don't have to talk about it. But as about
Speaker 4: to be mom to be soon, did you feel like
Speaker 4: you knew you always wanted to have kids. Did you
Speaker 4: feel like you had a timeline of when you thought
Speaker 4: you needed to do that. I mean, I think about
Speaker 4: Gabby's character is a bit younger than the other women.
Speaker 4: I obviously I'm watching the show for the first time.
Speaker 4: I feel like I have a memory that at some point,
Speaker 4: maybe Gabby does end up having a kid. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure that I'm getting that right.
Speaker 7: We won't say anything saying don't give me anything.
Speaker 4: But I'm just I'm curious how how that stuck with
Speaker 4: you and what you think about that.
Speaker 5: I have always said that I am.
Speaker 6: I feel pretty grateful that I was on the side
Speaker 6: of I always knew and that didn't change. Like I
Speaker 6: knew when I was a kid I wanted to be
Speaker 6: a mom, and I knew throughout getting older that I
Speaker 6: wanted to be a mom, And then when it came
Speaker 6: time in my life where that opportunity might be presenting itself,
Speaker 6: I still knew, which isn't the case for a lot
Speaker 6: of people, and they go back and forth or they
Speaker 6: know the opposite, you know, and so, But the question
Speaker 6: of did I feel a timeline, Absolutely, and even though
Speaker 6: that's because we're becoming better as a society about giving more,
Speaker 6: you know, time to women and not putting this pressure
Speaker 6: on them of you have to have a baby by
Speaker 6: a certain age or that somehow you're unhealthy if you,
Speaker 6: you know, are a late advanced maternal age mom, which
Speaker 6: technically I am. Wow, oh yeah, I know, you know,
Speaker 6: but I do think it's still quite prevalent. It's it's
Speaker 6: that's that pressure of the ticking clock is really strong,
Speaker 6: and you know, some of that's biology, some of that
Speaker 6: is is society and us not being that quick to
Speaker 6: progressing our stance on women's healthcare or researching women in
Speaker 6: the medical.
Speaker 5: Field much at all. So I definitely feel that.
Speaker 6: I feel that sometimes. Thankfully I found a medical team
Speaker 6: who doesn't really introduce those themes. As in my pregnancy
Speaker 6: journey thus.
Speaker 2: Far, it's really hard for me to refer to you
Speaker 2: as advanced aging and anything. I mean, you are my
Speaker 2: thirteen year old daughter and you always will be. So
Speaker 2: if your advanced age, you know, give me a hearing
Speaker 2: aid and a cane right now, I.
Speaker 5: Know, I know, it's really I'm in trouble.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really nutty. It's yeah, it's a silly thing.
Speaker 6: And I will say just to kind of cap that off.
Speaker 6: I don't understand it right because at thirty five, this
Speaker 6: is the earliest in my life that I've felt prepared
Speaker 6: to be able to take this on, right, I really,
Speaker 6: you know, and I know that's a different journey for everybody,
Speaker 6: but I do feel like I'm in a great time
Speaker 6: of life, not an advanced maternal age time of life, right,
Speaker 6: in a really sweet spot to do this.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was thirty two, almost thirty three when
Speaker 2: you were born.
Speaker 5: Oh so you were in advanced maternal age at all?
Speaker 2: No, but I no, but it felt but that felt
Speaker 2: that felt very right. Even in hindsight, it feels like
Speaker 2: that was right as opposed to twenty seven, twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty nine.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, being it. Yeah, I mean I'm twenty eight, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean, I also, like you Andrew, have always known
Speaker 4: that I want to have kids and that I want
Speaker 4: to be a mom, and probably because I have such
Speaker 4: an amazing mom and.
Speaker 2: I just love child checks in the mail.
Speaker 4: But I could not imagine at this moment in my life,
Speaker 4: with my career, with the things I want to accomplish
Speaker 4: as a writer and a director, and my social life
Speaker 4: and where I live and I just I cannot imagine
Speaker 4: having a child.
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a good time to bring
Speaker 2: up nipples.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm wondering when it's going to come up.
Speaker 2: So God, did anybody notice the nipples pop out in
Speaker 2: the purple T.
Speaker 5: Shirt of yours? And oh I noticed on the lawn.
Speaker 2: There was a there was a purple T shirt nipple moment,
Speaker 2: and then there was a later gray T shirt nipple moment.
Speaker 4: Wait, is that purple T shirt nipple moment when the
Speaker 4: cop who's your guest star.
Speaker 2: Even even echo.
Speaker 4: Yes when he comes and by the way, totally gaslights
Speaker 4: you into letting him take you on a date. I
Speaker 4: was like, this is exactly the problematic male behavior that
Speaker 4: people call out.
Speaker 5: More to debt, I like to bring the term back
Speaker 5: Carl and disguise.
Speaker 6: I think that we should collectively just just calling those
Speaker 6: men they're Carl's Carl, and.
Speaker 7: We really do. And that has such a good payoff
Speaker 7: at the end, that this is when your nipples are out.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it made me, first of all, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: there's there's the nipples like I and there they are,
Speaker 2: and I kind of remember at the time sort of
Speaker 2: being proud of them, like you know, like I like
Speaker 2: my breasts and I like my nipples, and I felt
Speaker 2: good about it, and I think, I recall this is
Speaker 2: one of those where I wish I had evidence, some
Speaker 2: like go research it, But I'm pretty sure this is accurate.
Speaker 2: That the producers got calls from the network about myself
Speaker 2: and Nicolette and we needed to put our nipples away.
Speaker 4: That was the language Nicolett and Terry need to put
Speaker 4: the nile away.
Speaker 2: I mean, I that's the way I'm saying it now.
Speaker 2: And I did not want to put my nipples away.
Speaker 2: I did not want to wear a thicker bra or
Speaker 2: a different shirt, or walk around with a heating pad
Speaker 2: under my shirt. Whatever the techniques would have been, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but but you know, that's kind of my
Speaker 2: recollect of like what's the big deal, but then having
Speaker 2: stepped away from it for twenty years and then seeing
Speaker 2: it and being like, Wow, my nipples.
Speaker 7: Are really out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe if I'd worked at the network and
Speaker 2: I was in like standards and practices, I would have
Speaker 2: been like, we gotta get rid of terrors nipples. Like
Speaker 2: maybe I would have agreed because they were they were
Speaker 2: they were prominent.
Speaker 4: Well listen, that is totally I feel like coming back now.
Speaker 4: Everyone's nipples. Nipple is not even our back, not even
Speaker 4: just the silhouette of a nipple. I mean, people are
Speaker 4: wearing full on see through things with no bras. I
Speaker 4: was just going shopping for clothes on the Paloma Wol website.
Speaker 4: I love Paloma Wool, but I gotta say, I am like,
Speaker 4: what world in which what world are we living in
Speaker 4: in which I am supposed to buy a dress that
Speaker 4: is entirely see through and wear it as worn by
Speaker 4: your model on the website with no bra and a thong?
Speaker 4: On where am I going in? It's an out anybody?
Speaker 2: Could it would be you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: I mean, anyways, we could do a whole podcast on
Speaker 6: how what happens to your nipples and pregnancy, but I'll
Speaker 6: spare everybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, I yeah, all right.
Speaker 6: Well I call my own standards and practices when I
Speaker 6: see myself in the mayor and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, put those away.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, get ABC on the horn and tell them
Speaker 6: to put andrew his nipples away.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Susan did have a I thought a charming storyline
Speaker 2: that went from the cop yes asking her out her
Speaker 2: deciding to go her insecurity with Mike about you know,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about me? And how soon is
Speaker 2: this moving along? And should I be dating other people?
Speaker 2: And how uncomfortable that is when you start to fall
Speaker 2: for someone and it does feel early. I will say
Speaker 2: that scene between Susan and Lynette where Lynette is refilling
Speaker 2: the hole with dirt that she's made her sons dig
Speaker 2: in order to get their energy out, that scene where
Speaker 2: they're talking about it, and Susan basically admits to, you know,
Speaker 2: being this person who falls really hard, really fast. I
Speaker 2: did think. Okay, I'm always saying how Terry is not Susan,
Speaker 2: but I do think when I dated, because I don't
Speaker 2: date anymore, but when I dated never too. It's no,
Speaker 2: it's too late. When I dated when I was younger,
Speaker 2: I was definitely that person that was like signing the
Speaker 2: married signature, like with your dad, Terry Tenny. How does
Speaker 2: that sound, Terry Tenny? Like I was doing that, you know,
Speaker 2: five minutes after meeting him, And that's kind of like
Speaker 2: how I was.
Speaker 4: I've been told that I fall hard or jump in. Well,
Speaker 4: I jump into relationships with both feet pretty regularly. Although
Speaker 4: I will say maybe to my credit. I think I
Speaker 4: jump in with both feet, but I don't have trouble
Speaker 4: extra hitting myself.
Speaker 7: Second, it feels like it's not working.
Speaker 5: Hey, So that's that's kind of that works out. I
Speaker 5: think that works out. I agree.
Speaker 6: I thought that there was a lot of really beautiful
Speaker 6: vulnerability in Susan, sort of you know, revealing to Mike
Speaker 6: that she cares by way of asking him what's going
Speaker 6: on here between us?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: And I really I wrote down the line that Susan says,
Speaker 6: I'm mad that I like you so much without really
Speaker 6: knowing anything about you, and I do. I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: I love that line. I loved how you played it,
Speaker 6: and I do think that's relatable for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: For dating.
Speaker 6: The early stages of dating requires so much mental gymnastics
Speaker 6: figuring out what the other person is thinking about you.
Speaker 5: You know, do you like me? Is terrifying to ask me.
Speaker 2: So my big advice for not being in a successful
Speaker 2: relationship or dating but being six years old and looking back,
Speaker 2: is spend more time asking yourself if you like the
Speaker 2: other person. Then all the time women tend to think
Speaker 2: about does the guy like me? Does the person like me?
Speaker 2: And I think we put a lot of energy into that,
Speaker 2: and instead you need to turn it around and say
Speaker 2: why do I like this person? Do I like this person?
Speaker 2: And why do I like this person? Because that'll help
Speaker 2: you not end up in a relationship you don't want
Speaker 2: to be in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do think those early stages of dating it is
Speaker 4: so much projection. You know, we are projecting onto the
Speaker 4: other person everything that we imagine they might be, and
Speaker 4: also I think projecting in them who we might be
Speaker 4: with them, you know, ideas and versions of ourselves that
Speaker 4: we might want to be. And then I think the
Speaker 4: real test of a relationship as time goes on and
Speaker 4: you start to pull those projections back and actually look
Speaker 4: at who the person is because you have more time,
Speaker 4: you have more information, and you also look at who
Speaker 4: you are with them. Then I think that's the real test,
Speaker 4: to go, Okay, do I really love this person because
Speaker 4: it's who they are are and not who I've projected
Speaker 4: hoping that they're gonna be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And Susan actually has a right to be a
Speaker 6: little bit, you know, investigating a little bit about wanting
Speaker 6: to know more about who Mike is because he is
Speaker 6: hiding something.
Speaker 7: He is hiding something. Yeah, And I love.
Speaker 4: I love Susan's revelation that she is saying, you know, oh,
Speaker 4: she wonders if Mike is a caral in disguise, but
Speaker 4: then she ends up realizing that Stephen Ecklets's character the
Speaker 4: cop is really the caral in disguise, and how defiantly
Speaker 4: she gets out of the car and she closes the door.
Speaker 4: And then I wanted to ask you, mom in that scene, Yeah,
Speaker 4: where did you shoot that?
Speaker 2: Because it's the backlot. Yeah, that's what I thought. That
Speaker 2: was the backlot. I'm probably like New York Street or something,
Speaker 2: but that was the backlot.
Speaker 7: The universal backlot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that that scene of you standing on the
Speaker 6: corner and different Johns so to speak, pulling up asking
Speaker 6: basically like are you available and what's your rate and
Speaker 6: all of that.
Speaker 4: She doesn't say I'm not a sex worker. She goes, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm on a break.
Speaker 2: Yea, And that's not I don't I don't remember this
Speaker 2: actress's name, but I do remember the feeling of It's
Speaker 2: it's a moment where I just love those sort of
Speaker 2: day player kind of parts because you know, you're getting
Speaker 2: I you know, whatever it was, we're working together, and
Speaker 2: there was a comedic timing between the you know, get
Speaker 2: off my block, you can borrow my phone. I have
Speaker 2: weekend minutes. The character says, remember weekend minutes was a thing.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and I just it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: like the Ida Greenberg. These you know, our main characters
Speaker 2: are such quote unquote stars, but these little characters are
Speaker 2: really what glew the whole thing together.
Speaker 6: I have to say because now it's come up. But
Speaker 6: she delivered my favorite line of the episode, which was
Speaker 6: which was, honey, if I got paid in quarters, I'd
Speaker 6: be doing something very wrong.
Speaker 5: I thought that was that's a good line.
Speaker 2: She delivered it perfect.
Speaker 6: Yes. And also just to kind of, i mean wrap
Speaker 6: up the Susan storyline while we're in it, we get
Speaker 6: Mike and Susan's first kiss.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I have to and I had the broken
Speaker 2: rib and it was hard for me to turn that
Speaker 2: way to kiss him because I had the broken rib.
Speaker 2: I remember that sitting in the truck and being like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I'm not gonna be able to turn
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's the behind the scenes of like, this is
Speaker 2: not as sexy as it may look, because Terry's actually
Speaker 2: thinking about how much pain she's in from a broken rib.
Speaker 4: Oh, because I was gonna say the screenwriter in me,
Speaker 4: I am such a sucker for an in the car
Speaker 4: first kiss, you know. I feel like in so many
Speaker 4: quintessential movies. I was just rewatching Easy A and they
Speaker 4: actually those two characters don't have their first kiss in
Speaker 4: a car, but they almost do. And I just think,
Speaker 4: you know, the pulling up at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: Obviously in this case, you know Mike has rescued you
Speaker 4: off of your street corner, and that quiet stillness when
Speaker 4: no one really wants to open the door yet know
Speaker 4: that you have to go. You're right on the precipice
Speaker 4: of something. I It's just it's such a romantic moment
Speaker 4: to me, I love that moment.
Speaker 6: So also, I'm now thinking, as you're saying this, my
Speaker 6: husband and my first kiss was in a car.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very sweet.
Speaker 2: So the one story we haven't really talked about yet,
Speaker 2: which is so dynamic and incredible is the Breeze Act story. Yes,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know it starts with her being worried
Speaker 2: about him, and she's also alone because Rex is now
Speaker 2: living in the hotel, and so uh oh that was
Speaker 2: That was a great exchange too, where he where he
Speaker 2: comes over and to pick up the kids, and and
Speaker 2: he tells her so sort of arrogantly, and you know,
Speaker 2: with such confidence, you know, well, this therapy might not
Speaker 2: work out, so you better get used to living alone.
Speaker 2: And she just turns right around. It's like, well, therapy
Speaker 2: might not work out, you better get used to crappy cooking.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 6: So there was another omen in that scene where he
Speaker 6: says he misses the kids, and you can tell there's
Speaker 6: just like a split second where it lingers before anyone
Speaker 6: says anything else, and you can tell that she's waiting
Speaker 6: for him to say and I miss you.
Speaker 5: Too, yeah, and he doesn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And he mentions her guns again, which I thought.
Speaker 2: That was another great line. There's so many great lines, and.
Speaker 4: I'm waiting episode I'm waiting for for Breeze NRA membership
Speaker 4: to really come back, and.
Speaker 6: I don't Yeah, I don't remember exactly when it shows up,
Speaker 6: but it does come.
Speaker 2: But I I have that line here, something about if you,
Speaker 2: if you, if if you you're a member of the NRA,
Speaker 2: you have four guns. If somebody breaks in, I expect
Speaker 2: you to protect me. Something like that. He says to her, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really good. But so she Brie has Zach come
Speaker 2: over for plum pudding, which I almost made, you guys, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I thought, actually, I have my one of
Speaker 2: my favorite chefs in the world, Paul Ainsworth. Everybody check
Speaker 2: him out. He's in Cornwall and Padstow. He's also all
Speaker 2: over British television in terms of all the competition kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. A great guy, fabulous chef. I had my
Speaker 2: sixtieth birthday party at his restaurant. Just the best food
Speaker 2: anyways he has because it's quite British. He has a
Speaker 2: plum pudding recipe that he's put out and they also
Speaker 2: make plum pudding that you can buy online, which I
Speaker 2: highly recommend because anything he does is delicious. So I
Speaker 2: almost made you guys that, but instead, in the second
Speaker 2: Brie and Zach scene, she invites him over for a
Speaker 2: holiday meal that ends up never happening because she gets
Speaker 2: involved with Rex and has to cancel. But you do
Speaker 2: cut to her in the kitchen with a full on
Speaker 2: roasted turkey and then there's candy jams in the back
Speaker 2: and she mentions the candy jams and there's cranberry sauce,
Speaker 2: and you know, whatever would go with a holiday meal.
Speaker 2: And so that's what I did bring for you guys today.
Speaker 2: So candy jams, which is yams that are topped with
Speaker 2: candied pecans and then roasted marshmallows, is a staple at
Speaker 2: my Thanksgiving dinner. I think it is everyone's favorite, even
Speaker 2: if you are that person that goes I hate this dish,
Speaker 2: which a lot of people do. It can be a
Speaker 2: controversial dish. Sometimes I do that, but then you eat
Speaker 2: it and you're like, Okay, I don't hate this dish.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. I can't stop eating it. There's never
Speaker 2: any leftovers. I think the secret in mind is the
Speaker 2: zested ginger and the zested orange. Yeah, it's not too
Speaker 2: sweet and it's not too sweet, and so I've brought
Speaker 2: that for you guys. But let's talk about Brie and
Speaker 2: Rex and Zach. While I sort of unfind.
Speaker 4: I find this, I think it's interesting that you made
Speaker 4: the candied jams as opposed to the plum pudding, because
Speaker 4: the meal that doesn't get eaten really is I feel
Speaker 4: like the crux of the relationship between Brie and Zach
Speaker 4: and it is so heartbreaking to me person because we
Speaker 4: see them connect over their first meal where Bree shares
Speaker 4: an incredibly interesting Andrew, you already pointed this out, incredibly
Speaker 4: interesting backstory into maybe her cleaning obsession, her need for
Speaker 4: everything to be clean, and it's so specific and somewhat
Speaker 4: similar to She's come across Zach cleaning the spot where
Speaker 4: mary Alice's blood was.
Speaker 6: She asked him what happened to your varnish and he
Speaker 6: reveals that that's where his mom, you know, called herself.
Speaker 4: And then she says that her mom got hit by
Speaker 4: a car while they were caroling, and then she went
Speaker 4: out to the street when everyone went to the hospital
Speaker 4: and posed all the blood off of the street. And
Speaker 4: I almost I had a moment where I thought, wait
Speaker 4: a second, is she making up a story that is
Speaker 4: so similar to Zach's story because she wants him to
Speaker 4: feel like he can be vulnert. It almost had an
Speaker 4: air of inauthenticity to me.
Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting that you brought that up, because
Speaker 2: I had a little flag on. You know, I'm still
Speaker 2: a bit obsessed. I'm going to go all the way
Speaker 2: back to from I guess it was the pilot or
Speaker 2: one of the first episodes where Rex refers to her
Speaker 2: as what happened to the girl in college who used
Speaker 2: to drink milk out of the cart? And I'm still
Speaker 2: trying to figure that out. So I've gotten a little
Speaker 2: bit obsessed and hung up on that. So when she
Speaker 2: tells this story about using cleaning as a way to
Speaker 2: erase her emotions from the time she was young when
Speaker 2: her mother died, I was like, Okay, if that was happening,
Speaker 2: then then where did the girl who drank milk out
Speaker 2: of the cart? And come like, I'm still having a
Speaker 2: little bit of trouble lining those two.
Speaker 6: I wonder I wonder if Rex brought that side out
Speaker 6: of out of her, which is why he feels like
Speaker 6: not an ownership of it, but so in love with
Speaker 6: that because maybe he felt like he was the only
Speaker 6: one who saw this version. And I mean, I'm really
Speaker 6: just kind of hypothesizing, but maybe maybe that's it is
Speaker 6: he felt like he was this the secret side of
Speaker 6: Brie that only he got, and now he doesn't even
Speaker 6: get it.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's that y.
Speaker 6: I also, I thought it was interesting when she was
Speaker 6: sharing this story about her past that it also informed
Speaker 6: not just the cleaning side of things, but also maybe
Speaker 6: the mothering side of things for her. She then clearly
Speaker 6: grew up without one, right, so she's created maybe the
Speaker 6: idea of what she always wanted in a mom, so
Speaker 6: she didn't forget to have And it was just so
Speaker 6: tragic watching, you know, watching Zach really go through the
Speaker 6: grieving process without support from his dad is it's touching.
Speaker 5: And I think Cody's doing such a lovely.
Speaker 6: Job with that storyline because you can see he's troubled.
Speaker 6: They allude to the fact that he might have been
Speaker 6: troubled before this happened, and now he's kind of without
Speaker 6: a network or a support system to go through this
Speaker 6: incredibly tragic thing, and now Bree's offering him a hand.
Speaker 6: And it's going to be very interesting to see where
Speaker 6: that goes, because I can't tell if he's sort of
Speaker 6: using Brie as a surrogate mom now or if there's
Speaker 6: like a romantic thing happening.
Speaker 2: I don't get that there's romance.
Speaker 4: I was not picking up romance, but I was picking
Speaker 4: up this deep sadness. And you're right, she extends this
Speaker 4: hand and then because of the issues in her own
Speaker 4: life and the fact that she wants to salvage her marriage,
Speaker 4: she pulls it away, and we actually get a book
Speaker 4: ended episode with a beginning of a break in and
Speaker 4: an ending with a break in with this bizarre Christmas
Speaker 4: decorating cry for help, I would say on Zach's part,
Speaker 4: and this heartbreaking moment when when his pall comes in,
Speaker 4: his dad comes in and he reaches for breeze hand.
Speaker 4: And I didn't really view that romantically at all, but
Speaker 4: I really did view it as this kind of surrogate
Speaker 4: mother relationship that I think maybe she is unintentionally open
Speaker 4: to can of worms she didn't really expect to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally so we And by the way, I just
Speaker 2: had a bite of this. I think this might be
Speaker 2: the best thing I've thin I.
Speaker 7: Can actually smell the it's wasting off of it.
Speaker 2: It's really really good. I think the secret to a
Speaker 2: good candy Dam's dish is the combination of the sugar
Speaker 2: and the salt. And there's actually even a little bit
Speaker 2: of heat in there. There's a tiny bit of cayenne
Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of this.
Speaker 5: It's so good and it's so funny me Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a thousand degrees outside, but I'm just going
Speaker 6: to pretend that it's fall and it's coziness.
Speaker 2: And so this episode sort of wraps up with uh
Speaker 2: Juanita sort of giving that kind of final threat to
Speaker 2: Gabby of like, you know, I think you, I think
Speaker 2: you know what I'm doing here, and I think you
Speaker 2: know that I'm onto you, and I and and and
Speaker 2: and then and Susan has gotten her kiss and where we.
Speaker 4: Oh and Lynette Lynette, we kind of lost track of
Speaker 4: the storyline with the original Yes, so Lynette tires her
Speaker 4: kids out, she gets them the interview, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: this actually I think was my favorite line from the episode,
Speaker 4: when the principal of the school says, we're always looking
Speaker 4: for more diversity in regards in regards to the identical twins,
Speaker 4: So funny being the diversity box that the school wants
Speaker 4: to check. And she tires them out, and then it
Speaker 4: sounds like they've gotten into the school, but they can't
Speaker 4: afford to pay for it, and Tom throws out, well,
Speaker 4: why don't you home school them because they can't go
Speaker 4: to public school anymore, and you know, she sort of
Speaker 4: throws that back in his face, and then we get
Speaker 4: the resolve of her deciding that they need to sell
Speaker 4: his sailboat so they can send the kids to the fancy.
Speaker 2: She very artfully leads him to believing that that was his.
Speaker 7: Decision, stands next to the mantle and goes.
Speaker 6: She uses his argument for compromise and sacrifice to get
Speaker 6: him to recognize what he could be offering up to sacrifice.
Speaker 7: She must have been so good in the corporate world.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, and uh and but it doesn't lead
Speaker 6: me to one other thing mystery that continues, which is
Speaker 6: where is the baby?
Speaker 5: Where is their baby?
Speaker 6: And also where is their third son in this episode,
Speaker 6: because there are three little boys, and you know, you
Speaker 6: see the twins trying to get in school and all
Speaker 6: this stuff, and.
Speaker 2: He's still in their public school because he didn't paint
Speaker 2: anybody blue.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe he was in a different grade.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's allowed to stay in his schooling. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 2: So I love this episode, and I feel like some
Speaker 2: of the episodes you feel like, I feel like one
Speaker 2: of the last one we did, maybe I didn't feel
Speaker 2: like I had it as much to say, I feel
Speaker 2: like this one. There were some of my just favorite lines,
Speaker 2: and I really was taken in by what each character
Speaker 2: was sort of dealing with. I really loved this episode.
Speaker 2: I felt like the most desperate moment to me, I
Speaker 2: guess was Lynette asking Bree to lie for her. Feel
Speaker 2: like that's your She didn't do it in a desperate way.
Speaker 2: She did it almost playfully, like of course you're going
Speaker 2: to do this for me. But to me, that actual
Speaker 2: ask of asking a friend to lie for me, that
Speaker 2: would be in real life that would feel like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I've hit the bottom.
Speaker 6: It was coming from like I don't know what else
Speaker 6: to do. I'm desperate for this. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 7: What was yours, Andrea? What did you think your most
Speaker 7: desperate moment was.
Speaker 6: I think my most desperate moment in the episode was
Speaker 6: Gabrielle framing her mother in law for shoplifting so that
Speaker 6: she could hook up with a teenager.
Speaker 2: Well that's desperate and funny.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's hard to argue with.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I think my most desperate moment
Speaker 4: was Susan calling her thirteen year old daughter from a
Speaker 4: street corner using a sex worker's phone that she bribed
Speaker 4: her for so the man who won't actually go out
Speaker 4: with her could come and pick her up off the street.
Speaker 2: Well, now that you say it that way, exactly.
Speaker 5: I think you win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the most desperate moment.
Speaker 4: I'm so so excited also as we're exploring more and
Speaker 4: more episodes to hear from you, to hear from our listeners.
Speaker 4: I know we want you to write in with questions,
Speaker 4: with observations. It would be amazing to hear if you've
Speaker 4: had a very desperate moment in your week that you
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 7: Share with us.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you can do that because our instagram is
Speaker 4: live at Desperately Devoted Podcast.
Speaker 5: Come find us there, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Drop us a D m oh Man.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks everybody for joining us again. We wish you
Speaker 2: were here. There's a lot more candid dams.
Speaker 7: You're gonna have to put up a recipe.
Speaker 2: I will definitely. I will always be putting up the recipes.
Speaker 2: I love the way food is a part of our
Speaker 2: lives and food is a part of with Sarria Lane.
Speaker 2: And we will see you for the next one because
Speaker 2: we are desperately devoted to you