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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch,

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Speaker 1: hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,

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Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenney.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, Hi did you see what I did with

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Speaker 2: my voice there?

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Speaker 3: I sort of went, Hi, God, you did it very

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Speaker 3: sky Yeah, you because we are talking about episode five,

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Speaker 3: Come in Stranger, which originally aired on October thirty first,

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Speaker 3: two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: And you know, my daughter knows. I think you know too.

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Speaker 2: But Halloween has always been a really big deal in

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Speaker 2: our house, and Halloween doesn't really have anything to do

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Speaker 2: with this episode other than the fact that it aired

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Speaker 2: on Halloween. Wait, I will say that I got very

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Speaker 2: excited about it.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, I actually loved this episode,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's very appropriate that it aired on

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Speaker 4: Halloween because to me, this feels like this is where

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Speaker 4: the mystery and the crime plot really picks up in

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Speaker 4: a pervasive way in the neighbor hood on Westeria Lane.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's very true.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very true, and something scary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true. We have a break in happening

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Speaker 2: at the beginning, and that leads to Susan exploring and

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Speaker 2: confused about her feelings between her and Mike. And we've

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Speaker 2: got Gabby whose mother in law's scarily unannounced at the

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Speaker 2: at the house, and Brie still struggling in her marriage

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Speaker 2: with Rex, and Brie also becomes heightenedly worried about Zach

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Speaker 2: and Janette, of course, is uh scared of her kids

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Speaker 2: and she should be. So did you guys have a

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Speaker 2: favorite or you know, some sort of moment that stuck

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Speaker 2: out to you that you're excited to dig into more?

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Speaker 4: I really did, I mean I had, I had a

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Speaker 4: couple of different moments, but one and we're going to

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Speaker 4: get to it because it happens a little bit later

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Speaker 4: in the episode is when Susan ends up walking the street.

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Speaker 4: And my favorite moment is very small and it's a

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Speaker 4: definitely a behind the scenes, be in the know if

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Speaker 4: you're in the know. But when Susan takes out her

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Speaker 4: phone to call Julie, it is a bedazzled flip phone,

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Speaker 4: Samson flip phone, and it is the same phone I

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Speaker 4: had as my first phone. I mean, obviously you weren't

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Speaker 4: it was exactly the same model. Mine was also bedazzled

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Speaker 4: and I think I screamed out loud when I thought, oh,

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Speaker 4: got my phone.

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Speaker 5: Oh, oh my god, Oh the nostalgia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my favorite moment and some of the

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Speaker 4: lines that in that and this is really their choice

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say my favorite moment from the episode

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Speaker 6: happens during the It's really just the dinner scene with

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Speaker 6: with bree and Zach. I found that scene to be

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Speaker 6: really powerful. I think we discussed in leading up to

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Speaker 6: this episode we wanted to know more of breeze backstory.

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Speaker 6: We wanted to know more about where she came from,

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Speaker 6: and the insight into what she shares about the experience

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Speaker 6: she had with her mom's tragic passing when she was

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Speaker 6: And I thought that was really powerful and beautifully played

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Speaker 6: by both Marcia and and Cody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well sort of similarly. I think mine was also

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Speaker 2: a free line. I don't know if it wasn't in

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Speaker 2: that dinner scene, but I was really struck by her

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Speaker 2: line that she says, just because you didn't hear them

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Speaker 2: fighting doesn't mean they were happy and in a sad,

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Speaker 2: deep way, which this show can do this to you,

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Speaker 2: you know. I unfortunately, feel like that is pervasive still

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Speaker 2: in our culture today, and you look at social media,

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Speaker 2: the sort of the difference between the presentation of the

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Speaker 2: life and then the actual life. And so I feel

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Speaker 2: like that episode really gets This episode really gets into

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Speaker 2: that with all of these characters. So let's dive in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do it?

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Speaker 2: So? I wanted to talk about how it opens with

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Speaker 2: Julie and and Susan having to take care of a cat.

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Speaker 4: I said, Mom, this episode is for you. We are

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Speaker 4: opening on missus Frome the cat Lady.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I wrote down also cat Lady vibes. Let's talk

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Speaker 6: about it with Terry.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel complimented, That's all I'm saying right now.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting thrown under the cat Lady.

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Speaker 4: When you when you go out of town, you are

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Speaker 2: Work very hard to leave them.

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Speaker 4: You leave a long list of ways to feed them.

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Speaker 4: They each have different ways to be fed. I have

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Speaker 2: Ajar, Can I just say there is a shot where

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Speaker 2: And you guys out there, you have to let me know.

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Speaker 2: Like when I pack, my cat always gets in my suitcase.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I think I printed out a picture I

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Speaker 2: was going to show you. I have the cutest picture

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Speaker 2: of fig in a suitcase. But it's inevitable that the

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Speaker 2: cat will get in your suit suitcase too, So you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's a real thing.

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Speaker 7: Does it smell like you?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 7: Why do they have no idea?

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Speaker 2: But in this scene, the cat goes through the suitcase

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Speaker 2: of missus Froner who's leaving, which I was like, that's

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Speaker 2: so honest. It's a tiny, tiny detail. But like I

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Speaker 2: liked it and appreciated it. And what else was I

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Speaker 2: thinking about? Oh? The other thing was that surprised me

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Speaker 5: No, me, neither, I mean neither, I really.

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Speaker 6: I think that's one of the fun things about rewatching

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Speaker 6: it is just seeing how much was dumped from my mind.

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Speaker 6: I we're there, we're filming, I'm like, wow, I truly

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Speaker 6: have no recollection of us doing that, of any of

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Speaker 5: Involved at all.

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Speaker 5: But it's true.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought that the cat, like working with

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Speaker 7: Maybe it's because I know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's because Susan does such a bad job taking

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Speaker 4: And in terms of the cat, I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I feel like that really has nothing to do with her.

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Speaker 4: But I was curious in terms of remembering moments, I

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Speaker 2: I love when you write things down.

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Speaker 7: I'm so good at it.

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Speaker 4: On my phone, I tag it down, I said, I

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Speaker 2: Mom Oh, yes, that was the first rib I broke.

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Speaker 2: Definitely broke a rib on that one. You were saying

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Speaker 2: that you remember, I remember, And this is not because

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Speaker 2: again we've talked about people confusing Terry and Susan, and

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Speaker 2: not is because that takes to be able to turn

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Speaker 2: and do that over and over.

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Speaker 7: All the glasses fallen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that so choreographed, and it's so effort full,

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Speaker 2: it five or six times. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how many cakes we had. But on one take I

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Speaker 2: just pushed too hard. That table was made of hard plywood,

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Speaker 5: Did you know right away that something might have been cracked?

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Speaker 2: I think I knew right away that I was in

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Speaker 5: But I all met at home.

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Speaker 2: But I also appreciated the bird scene the little and

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Speaker 2: I was trying to remember that must have been CGI

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it must have been a post.

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Speaker 2: I thought, I mean not to toot my own horn,

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Speaker 2: But I was like, it is kind of funny to

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Speaker 7: Was really good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 4: That whole montage of all of those little comedic moments.

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Speaker 7: It really makes me think of mom.

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Speaker 4: This is one of our favorite movies of Defending Your

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Speaker 4: Albert Brooks's character is watching back moments in his life

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Speaker 4: you've never seen Defending Your Life, you need this podcast.

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Speaker 7: And watch it right now.

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Speaker 4: But the woman who's trying him for his life says,

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Speaker 4: and now I'm going to show you a compilation of moments,

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Speaker 4: some of them plagued by fear, some of them just stupid.

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Speaker 4: It's a compilation of all these physical stunts that Albert

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Speaker 2: To even be remotely a tenth compared to a genius

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Speaker 2: So we moved through Susan having bad luck and the

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Speaker 2: a group scene, and I just wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: how these were very arduous scenes to shoot because there

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Speaker 2: coverage of everyone, which is fairly exhaustive. But that said,

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Speaker 2: and and I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Well, because we talk about how it's it's when we

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Oh, when you didn't see them?

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And they're there.

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Speaker 6: They're all gathered to have this neighborhood watch meeting because,

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Speaker 6: And I love that her complaint at the meeting was

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Speaker 6: As potential evidence, which is charming and maybe really ridiculous.

444
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, But honestly though, it made me think, I know,

445
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 4: we always say Susan and so Mom, no, just that you,

446
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: the two of you are not similar. Although I did

447
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 4: feel like the overachiever in you, Mom that always wants

448
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 4: to go above and beyond and get an A plus

449
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: and follow things by.

450
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 7: The letter and really do the right thing.

451
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 4: It reminded me a little bit of Susan's intention behind

452
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: wanting to be like, I make make sure you didn't

453
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 4: miss this piece of evidence, right this. I want to

454
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: help you solve this. And well, I'm glad.

455
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: That you think it comes from that place, because I

456
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: think some people think it may be her. That character

457
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: trait came from her just wanting to get involved in everything.

458
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: And I did like a like almost like a nosy

459
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be a part of everything.

460
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 7: We already have missus Hooper.

461
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 6: She fills up that nosy neighbor cup just fine on

462
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 6: her own.

463
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: So we then have Gabby's mother in law.

464
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 4: Oh out of nowhere, yes, brutal in law appearance.

465
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 6: Yes, And man, that is a that sets off a

466
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 6: whole dynamic there, I mean.

467
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: And she she has a line that the mother in

468
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: law family should always hug, regardless of how they feel

469
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: about each other. And I mean that just almost I

470
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: don't know. That really made it hard for me to breathe.

471
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of Susan actually says, which is,

472
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: here's another way Susan and Terry are not alike at all.

473
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: Susan says in the end, of might have been the

474
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: last episode or third, she says to missus Huber, Yes,

475
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: was the mincemeat episode. After we get the frisbee back,

476
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean, after we get the we do the frizzy measure,

477
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: we get the measuring cup back. She says something I'm paraphrasing,

478
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: but it's like every time I say hello, every time

479
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: I say I hope you have a good day, I'm

480
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: really thinking I hate your guts and I cannot live

481
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: like that as a person, Like it's way too much

482
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: to hold on to. Yeah, it's way too much to

483
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: hold on to. And so it's sort of like snagged

484
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: me a little bit on Susan's personality that I was like, Okay,

485
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: is Susan really that kind of person? I mean, I

486
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: guess I guess she is, because that's that's the character

487
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: we're creating. But it's it's so now we're doubling down

488
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: on you should always hug, no matter how you feel well.

489
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 4: And she is just Wanita Carlos's mom is such a

490
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,239
Speaker 4: tough character to empathize with, because I loved how that

491
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: plot reveals itself that it seems like, okay, she showed

492
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: up unannounced, and then you get the reveal that Carlos

493
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: has actually called her because he is suspicious and he

494
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: kind of wants like eyes on the inside.

495
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 7: And then and this, I know we've talked a lot.

496
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 4: About Carlos's behavior seeming really problematic, and I felt like

497
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 4: we started to get a little peek into maybe his

498
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: backstory when he starts breaking down and crying and he's

499
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 4: really vulnerable with his mom saying that he's afraid that

500
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: Gabby's having an affair, and she hits him.

501
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, smacks him across the face, across the face, and

502
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 8: she says, you know.

503
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: We don't cry about our problems. We find ways to

504
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: fix them.

505
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: And there is the seed of toxic masculinity being bred

506
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: in Carlos.

507
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: Can I tell you that? Was I wrote, I think

508
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: this might be one of my highlight moments. Such a strong,

509
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: borderline abusive character revealing that he just doesn't know how

510
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: to make it right with the woman he loves. And

511
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: then he cries yeah, and you can you can see

512
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: the beginning of that toxic masculinity of where like he

513
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: really wants to love. That's what I saw in that

514
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: scene that Carlos really wants to love, but he doesn't

515
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: have the first clue about how to correctly get there,

516
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: and now we know why.

517
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and he has this mother figure who

518
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: instead of saying, oh my gosh, thank you for being vulnerable,

519
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 4: it's you know, offering him some sort of comfort. She

520
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: teaches him this very problematic behavior.

521
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 6: That showing emotion is weakness, that it equates to somehow

522
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 6: being weak versus what it actually is, which of course

523
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 6: we know is its strength. It's completely a strength, and

524
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 6: it could have been a breakthrough moment with him and

525
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 6: his mom, and instead she's backs him across the face

526
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 6: and she tells him we don't cry.

527
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 5: And then she goes to do his bidding by.

528
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 6: Spying on Gabrielle through you know the rest of the

529
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 6: episode and trying to catch her inkes Gabrielle's life. Hell, yes,

530
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 6: makes Gabrielle and John the Gardener, Yes, our teenage friend.

531
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 7: Oh my god.

532
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 4: Another amazing line from John the Gardener. I used a

533
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: month's worth of lunch money to pay for that motel room.

534
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: I know. Wait, I've got another one of John's just

535
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: so you know, I've turned down half the pep squad

536
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: for you.

537
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 7: Oh my god.

538
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I actually wrote down I think emer

539
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 6: since right because of what you'd said in a previous episode,

540
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 6: and I was like, I think the writers might have

541
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 6: just been having a really good time with these teenage

542
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 6: references at this point, because they are they are something.

543
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they are.

544
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: They're really miring him in in uh Minerville.

545
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, they're tripling down on that.

546
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 6: I don't think there was an interesting moment in the

547
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 6: Gabrielle storyline that really felt powerful and relevant today to me,

548
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 6: which is when they're out shopping and her mother in

549
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 6: law is trailing her, as we know, and she's just

550
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 6: not letting her out of her sight and they're in

551
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 6: this Lauderie store and they're talking about you know, she

552
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 6: makes a comment about Gabrielle having children and giving her purpose,

553
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 6: and Gabrielle says, and for the record, I'm not one

554
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 6: of those women who has a hole in her heart

555
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 6: that can only be filled.

556
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 5: By a baby.

557
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 6: And I just thought, you know, we don't really explore

558
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 6: that that much at this point in the storyline of

559
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 6: Carlos and Gabby not having children, but I do know

560
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 6: that that is still very relevant in conversations I have

561
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 6: all the time with my friends about you know.

562
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 5: Becoming parents.

563
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 6: And and that journey and the feeling of you know,

564
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 6: what's expected of you or what gives you purpose or

565
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 6: if you can live a childless life and be fulfilled

566
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: and happy, which they've actually shown studies that very much

567
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 6: bolster that sentiment. And so I really kind of liked this.

568
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 6: We haven't had that many moments of Gabrielle with having

569
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 6: strong convictions about things that are on the right side

570
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 6: of morality thus far.

571
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thought this was a nice moment for

572
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 5: her character.

573
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think so too. And it gets a little

574
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: glossed over. So I'm glad because she says it with

575
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, umph. Yeah, but we don't

576
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: really come back to it, and we don't linger there.

577
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: We don't linger there, And it's kind of worth again

578
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: pointing out in the writing. I mean to just keep,

579
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, praising Mark Cherry and the writers for finding

580
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: these little moments that resonate so strongly that you know

581
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: you can still talk about them as relevant twenty years later.

582
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

583
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm curious, Andrea. I mean, and if it's personal,

584
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: we don't have to talk about it. But as about

585
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 4: to be mom to be soon, did you feel like

586
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: you knew you always wanted to have kids. Did you

587
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: feel like you had a timeline of when you thought

588
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 4: you needed to do that. I mean, I think about

589
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: Gabby's character is a bit younger than the other women.

590
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: I obviously I'm watching the show for the first time.

591
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 4: I feel like I have a memory that at some point,

592
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: maybe Gabby does end up having a kid. I'm not

593
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: sure that I'm getting that right.

594
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 7: We won't say anything saying don't give me anything.

595
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 4: But I'm just I'm curious how how that stuck with

596
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: you and what you think about that.

597
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: I have always said that I am.

598
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 6: I feel pretty grateful that I was on the side

599
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 6: of I always knew and that didn't change. Like I

600
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 6: knew when I was a kid I wanted to be

601
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 6: a mom, and I knew throughout getting older that I

602
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 6: wanted to be a mom, And then when it came

603
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 6: time in my life where that opportunity might be presenting itself,

604
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 6: I still knew, which isn't the case for a lot

605
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 6: of people, and they go back and forth or they

606
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 6: know the opposite, you know, and so, But the question

607
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 6: of did I feel a timeline, Absolutely, and even though

608
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 6: that's because we're becoming better as a society about giving more,

609
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 6: you know, time to women and not putting this pressure

610
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 6: on them of you have to have a baby by

611
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 6: a certain age or that somehow you're unhealthy if you,

612
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 6: you know, are a late advanced maternal age mom, which

613
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 6: technically I am. Wow, oh yeah, I know, you know,

614
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 6: but I do think it's still quite prevalent. It's it's

615
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 6: that's that pressure of the ticking clock is really strong,

616
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 6: and you know, some of that's biology, some of that

617
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 6: is is society and us not being that quick to

618
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 6: progressing our stance on women's healthcare or researching women in

619
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 6: the medical.

620
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: Field much at all. So I definitely feel that.

621
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 6: I feel that sometimes. Thankfully I found a medical team

622
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 6: who doesn't really introduce those themes. As in my pregnancy

623
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 6: journey thus.

624
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Far, it's really hard for me to refer to you

625
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: as advanced aging and anything. I mean, you are my

626
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 2: thirteen year old daughter and you always will be. So

627
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: if your advanced age, you know, give me a hearing

628
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: aid and a cane right now, I.

629
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: Know, I know, it's really I'm in trouble.

630
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really nutty. It's yeah, it's a silly thing.

631
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 6: And I will say just to kind of cap that off.

632
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 6: I don't understand it right because at thirty five, this

633
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 6: is the earliest in my life that I've felt prepared

634
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 6: to be able to take this on, right, I really,

635
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 6: you know, and I know that's a different journey for everybody,

636
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 6: but I do feel like I'm in a great time

637
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 6: of life, not an advanced maternal age time of life, right,

638
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 6: in a really sweet spot to do this.

639
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was thirty two, almost thirty three when

640
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: you were born.

641
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: Oh so you were in advanced maternal age at all?

642
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: No, but I no, but it felt but that felt

643
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: that felt very right. Even in hindsight, it feels like

644
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: that was right as opposed to twenty seven, twenty eight,

645
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: twenty nine.

646
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 7: Oh my god, being it. Yeah, I mean I'm twenty eight, Yeah,

647
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 7: I absolutely.

648
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I also, like you Andrew, have always known

649
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: that I want to have kids and that I want

650
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 4: to be a mom, and probably because I have such

651
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: an amazing mom and.

652
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: I just love child checks in the mail.

653
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: But I could not imagine at this moment in my life,

654
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: with my career, with the things I want to accomplish

655
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 4: as a writer and a director, and my social life

656
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: and where I live and I just I cannot imagine

657
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: having a child.

658
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a good time to bring

659
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: up nipples.

660
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm wondering when it's going to come up.

661
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: So God, did anybody notice the nipples pop out in

662
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: the purple T.

663
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: Shirt of yours? And oh I noticed on the lawn.

664
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: There was a there was a purple T shirt nipple moment,

665
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: and then there was a later gray T shirt nipple moment.

666
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: Wait, is that purple T shirt nipple moment when the

667
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: cop who's your guest star.

668
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: Even even echo.

669
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: Yes when he comes and by the way, totally gaslights

670
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: you into letting him take you on a date. I

671
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: was like, this is exactly the problematic male behavior that

672
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: people call out.

673
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 5: More to debt, I like to bring the term back

674
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 5: Carl and disguise.

675
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: I think that we should collectively just just calling those

676
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 6: men they're Carl's Carl, and.

677
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 7: We really do. And that has such a good payoff

678
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 7: at the end, that this is when your nipples are out.

679
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: Yes, And it made me, first of all, I was like, Wow,

680
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: there's there's the nipples like I and there they are,

681
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: and I kind of remember at the time sort of

682
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: being proud of them, like you know, like I like

683
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: my breasts and I like my nipples, and I felt

684
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: good about it, and I think, I recall this is

685
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: one of those where I wish I had evidence, some

686
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: like go research it, But I'm pretty sure this is accurate.

687
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: That the producers got calls from the network about myself

688
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: and Nicolette and we needed to put our nipples away.

689
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: That was the language Nicolett and Terry need to put

690
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: the nile away.

691
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I that's the way I'm saying it now.

692
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: And I did not want to put my nipples away.

693
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: I did not want to wear a thicker bra or

694
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: a different shirt, or walk around with a heating pad

695
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: under my shirt. Whatever the techniques would have been, I

696
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: don't know, but but you know, that's kind of my

697
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: recollect of like what's the big deal, but then having

698
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: stepped away from it for twenty years and then seeing

699
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: it and being like, Wow, my nipples.

700
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 7: Are really out there.

701
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe if I'd worked at the network and

702
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: I was in like standards and practices, I would have

703
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: been like, we gotta get rid of terrors nipples. Like

704
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: maybe I would have agreed because they were they were

705
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: they were prominent.

706
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: Well listen, that is totally I feel like coming back now.

707
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: Everyone's nipples. Nipple is not even our back, not even

708
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 4: just the silhouette of a nipple. I mean, people are

709
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: wearing full on see through things with no bras. I

710
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 4: was just going shopping for clothes on the Paloma Wol website.

711
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: I love Paloma Wool, but I gotta say, I am like,

712
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 4: what world in which what world are we living in

713
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: in which I am supposed to buy a dress that

714
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: is entirely see through and wear it as worn by

715
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: your model on the website with no bra and a thong?

716
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 4: On where am I going in? It's an out anybody?

717
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: Could it would be you?

718
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

719
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 7: I appreciate that.

720
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 6: I mean, anyways, we could do a whole podcast on

721
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 6: how what happens to your nipples and pregnancy, but I'll

722
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: spare everybody.

723
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I yeah, all right.

724
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 6: Well I call my own standards and practices when I

725
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 6: see myself in the mayor and.

726
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, put those away.

727
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, get ABC on the horn and tell them

728
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 6: to put andrew his nipples away.

729
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: Anyways, Susan did have a I thought a charming storyline

730
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: that went from the cop yes asking her out her

731
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: deciding to go her insecurity with Mike about you know,

732
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: how do you feel about me? And how soon is

733
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: this moving along? And should I be dating other people?

734
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: And how uncomfortable that is when you start to fall

735
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: for someone and it does feel early. I will say

736
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: that scene between Susan and Lynette where Lynette is refilling

737
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: the hole with dirt that she's made her sons dig

738
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: in order to get their energy out, that scene where

739
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: they're talking about it, and Susan basically admits to, you know,

740
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: being this person who falls really hard, really fast. I

741
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: did think. Okay, I'm always saying how Terry is not Susan,

742
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: but I do think when I dated, because I don't

743
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: date anymore, but when I dated never too. It's no,

744
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: it's too late. When I dated when I was younger,

745
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: I was definitely that person that was like signing the

746
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: married signature, like with your dad, Terry Tenny. How does

747
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: that sound, Terry Tenny? Like I was doing that, you know,

748
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: five minutes after meeting him, And that's kind of like

749
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: how I was.

750
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: I've been told that I fall hard or jump in. Well,

751
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: I jump into relationships with both feet pretty regularly. Although

752
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: I will say maybe to my credit. I think I

753
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: jump in with both feet, but I don't have trouble

754
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 4: extra hitting myself.

755
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 7: Second, it feels like it's not working.

756
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 5: Hey, So that's that's kind of that works out. I

757
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 5: think that works out. I agree.

758
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 6: I thought that there was a lot of really beautiful

759
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 6: vulnerability in Susan, sort of you know, revealing to Mike

760
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 6: that she cares by way of asking him what's going

761
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 6: on here between us?

762
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: You know?

763
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 6: And I really I wrote down the line that Susan says,

764
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 6: I'm mad that I like you so much without really

765
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 6: knowing anything about you, and I do. I think, yeah,

766
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 6: I love that line. I loved how you played it,

767
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 6: and I do think that's relatable for a lot of people.

768
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 5: For dating.

769
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 6: The early stages of dating requires so much mental gymnastics

770
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 6: figuring out what the other person is thinking about you.

771
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: You know, do you like me? Is terrifying to ask me.

772
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: So my big advice for not being in a successful

773
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 2: relationship or dating but being six years old and looking back,

774
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: is spend more time asking yourself if you like the

775
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: other person. Then all the time women tend to think

776
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: about does the guy like me? Does the person like me?

777
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: And I think we put a lot of energy into that,

778
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: and instead you need to turn it around and say

779
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: why do I like this person? Do I like this person?

780
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: And why do I like this person? Because that'll help

781
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: you not end up in a relationship you don't want

782
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: to be in.

783
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

784
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 4: I do think those early stages of dating it is

785
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: so much projection. You know, we are projecting onto the

786
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 4: other person everything that we imagine they might be, and

787
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 4: also I think projecting in them who we might be

788
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: with them, you know, ideas and versions of ourselves that

789
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: we might want to be. And then I think the

790
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: real test of a relationship as time goes on and

791
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: you start to pull those projections back and actually look

792
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: at who the person is because you have more time,

793
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 4: you have more information, and you also look at who

794
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: you are with them. Then I think that's the real test,

795
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 4: to go, Okay, do I really love this person because

796
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: it's who they are are and not who I've projected

797
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: hoping that they're gonna be.

798
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, And Susan actually has a right to be a

799
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 6: little bit, you know, investigating a little bit about wanting

800
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 6: to know more about who Mike is because he is

801
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 6: hiding something.

802
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 7: He is hiding something. Yeah, And I love.

803
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: I love Susan's revelation that she is saying, you know, oh,

804
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: she wonders if Mike is a caral in disguise, but

805
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: then she ends up realizing that Stephen Ecklets's character the

806
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: cop is really the caral in disguise, and how defiantly

807
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 4: she gets out of the car and she closes the door.

808
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: And then I wanted to ask you, mom in that scene, Yeah,

809
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: where did you shoot that?

810
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: Because it's the backlot. Yeah, that's what I thought. That

811
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 2: was the backlot. I'm probably like New York Street or something,

812
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: but that was the backlot.

813
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 7: The universal backlot.

814
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that that scene of you standing on the

815
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 6: corner and different Johns so to speak, pulling up asking

816
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 6: basically like are you available and what's your rate and

817
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 6: all of that.

818
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: She doesn't say I'm not a sex worker. She goes, oh,

819
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm on a break.

820
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: Yea, And that's not I don't I don't remember this

821
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: actress's name, but I do remember the feeling of It's

822
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: it's a moment where I just love those sort of

823
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: day player kind of parts because you know, you're getting

824
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: I you know, whatever it was, we're working together, and

825
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: there was a comedic timing between the you know, get

826
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: off my block, you can borrow my phone. I have

827
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: weekend minutes. The character says, remember weekend minutes was a thing.

828
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and I just it's it's kind of

829
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: like the Ida Greenberg. These you know, our main characters

830
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: are such quote unquote stars, but these little characters are

831
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: really what glew the whole thing together.

832
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 6: I have to say because now it's come up. But

833
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 6: she delivered my favorite line of the episode, which was

834
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 6: which was, honey, if I got paid in quarters, I'd

835
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 6: be doing something very wrong.

836
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 5: I thought that was that's a good line.

837
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: She delivered it perfect.

838
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 6: Yes. And also just to kind of, i mean wrap

839
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: up the Susan storyline while we're in it, we get

840
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: Mike and Susan's first kiss.

841
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I have to and I had the broken

842
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: rib and it was hard for me to turn that

843
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: way to kiss him because I had the broken rib.

844
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: I remember that sitting in the truck and being like,

845
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I'm not gonna be able to turn

846
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 2: this way.

847
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 7: Wow.

848
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

849
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: So that's the behind the scenes of like, this is

850
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: not as sexy as it may look, because Terry's actually

851
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: thinking about how much pain she's in from a broken rib.

852
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: Oh, because I was gonna say the screenwriter in me,

853
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 4: I am such a sucker for an in the car

854
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: first kiss, you know. I feel like in so many

855
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: quintessential movies. I was just rewatching Easy A and they

856
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: actually those two characters don't have their first kiss in

857
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: a car, but they almost do. And I just think,

858
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: you know, the pulling up at the end of the day.

859
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: Obviously in this case, you know Mike has rescued you

860
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: off of your street corner, and that quiet stillness when

861
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: no one really wants to open the door yet know

862
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 4: that you have to go. You're right on the precipice

863
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 4: of something. I It's just it's such a romantic moment

864
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: to me, I love that moment.

865
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 6: So also, I'm now thinking, as you're saying this, my

866
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 6: husband and my first kiss was in a car.

867
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very sweet.

868
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: So the one story we haven't really talked about yet,

869
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: which is so dynamic and incredible is the Breeze Act story. Yes,

870
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: and uh, you know it starts with her being worried

871
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: about him, and she's also alone because Rex is now

872
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: living in the hotel, and so uh oh that was

873
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: That was a great exchange too, where he where he

874
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: comes over and to pick up the kids, and and

875
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: he tells her so sort of arrogantly, and you know,

876
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: with such confidence, you know, well, this therapy might not

877
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: work out, so you better get used to living alone.

878
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: And she just turns right around. It's like, well, therapy

879
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: might not work out, you better get used to crappy cooking.

880
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.

881
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: Good.

882
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 6: So there was another omen in that scene where he

883
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 6: says he misses the kids, and you can tell there's

884
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 6: just like a split second where it lingers before anyone

885
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 6: says anything else, and you can tell that she's waiting

886
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 6: for him to say and I miss you.

887
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: Too, yeah, and he doesn't.

888
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And he mentions her guns again, which I thought.

889
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: That was another great line. There's so many great lines, and.

890
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 4: I'm waiting episode I'm waiting for for Breeze NRA membership

891
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 4: to really come back, and.

892
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 6: I don't Yeah, I don't remember exactly when it shows up,

893
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 6: but it does come.

894
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: But I I have that line here, something about if you,

895
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: if you, if if you you're a member of the NRA,

896
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: you have four guns. If somebody breaks in, I expect

897
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: you to protect me. Something like that. He says to her, Yeah,

898
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: it's really good. But so she Brie has Zach come

899
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: over for plum pudding, which I almost made, you guys, yeah,

900
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: and then I thought, actually, I have my one of

901
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: my favorite chefs in the world, Paul Ainsworth. Everybody check

902
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: him out. He's in Cornwall and Padstow. He's also all

903
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: over British television in terms of all the competition kind

904
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: of stuff. A great guy, fabulous chef. I had my

905
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: sixtieth birthday party at his restaurant. Just the best food

906
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: anyways he has because it's quite British. He has a

907
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: plum pudding recipe that he's put out and they also

908
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: make plum pudding that you can buy online, which I

909
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: highly recommend because anything he does is delicious. So I

910
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: almost made you guys that, but instead, in the second

911
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: Brie and Zach scene, she invites him over for a

912
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: holiday meal that ends up never happening because she gets

913
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: involved with Rex and has to cancel. But you do

914
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: cut to her in the kitchen with a full on

915
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: roasted turkey and then there's candy jams in the back

916
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: and she mentions the candy jams and there's cranberry sauce,

917
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: and you know, whatever would go with a holiday meal.

918
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: And so that's what I did bring for you guys today.

919
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: So candy jams, which is yams that are topped with

920
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: candied pecans and then roasted marshmallows, is a staple at

921
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: my Thanksgiving dinner. I think it is everyone's favorite, even

922
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: if you are that person that goes I hate this dish,

923
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: which a lot of people do. It can be a

924
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: controversial dish. Sometimes I do that, but then you eat

925
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 2: it and you're like, Okay, I don't hate this dish.

926
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: This is amazing. I can't stop eating it. There's never

927
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: any leftovers. I think the secret in mind is the

928
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: zested ginger and the zested orange. Yeah, it's not too

929
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: sweet and it's not too sweet, and so I've brought

930
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: that for you guys. But let's talk about Brie and

931
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: Rex and Zach. While I sort of unfind.

932
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 4: I find this, I think it's interesting that you made

933
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: the candied jams as opposed to the plum pudding, because

934
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: the meal that doesn't get eaten really is I feel

935
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 4: like the crux of the relationship between Brie and Zach

936
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: and it is so heartbreaking to me person because we

937
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: see them connect over their first meal where Bree shares

938
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 4: an incredibly interesting Andrew, you already pointed this out, incredibly

939
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: interesting backstory into maybe her cleaning obsession, her need for

940
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: everything to be clean, and it's so specific and somewhat

941
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: similar to She's come across Zach cleaning the spot where

942
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: mary Alice's blood was.

943
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 6: She asked him what happened to your varnish and he

944
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 6: reveals that that's where his mom, you know, called herself.

945
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: And then she says that her mom got hit by

946
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: a car while they were caroling, and then she went

947
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 4: out to the street when everyone went to the hospital

948
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 4: and posed all the blood off of the street. And

949
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: I almost I had a moment where I thought, wait

950
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: a second, is she making up a story that is

951
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: so similar to Zach's story because she wants him to

952
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: feel like he can be vulnert. It almost had an

953
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: air of inauthenticity to me.

954
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting that you brought that up, because

955
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 2: I had a little flag on. You know, I'm still

956
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: a bit obsessed. I'm going to go all the way

957
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: back to from I guess it was the pilot or

958
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: one of the first episodes where Rex refers to her

959
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: as what happened to the girl in college who used

960
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: to drink milk out of the cart? And I'm still

961
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: trying to figure that out. So I've gotten a little

962
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: bit obsessed and hung up on that. So when she

963
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: tells this story about using cleaning as a way to

964
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: erase her emotions from the time she was young when

965
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: her mother died, I was like, Okay, if that was happening,

966
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: then then where did the girl who drank milk out

967
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: of the cart? And come like, I'm still having a

968
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: little bit of trouble lining those two.

969
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 6: I wonder I wonder if Rex brought that side out

970
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 6: of out of her, which is why he feels like

971
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 6: not an ownership of it, but so in love with

972
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 6: that because maybe he felt like he was the only

973
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 6: one who saw this version. And I mean, I'm really

974
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 6: just kind of hypothesizing, but maybe maybe that's it is

975
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 6: he felt like he was this the secret side of

976
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 6: Brie that only he got, and now he doesn't even

977
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 6: get it.

978
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 5: Maybe it's that y.

979
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 6: I also, I thought it was interesting when she was

980
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 6: sharing this story about her past that it also informed

981
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 6: not just the cleaning side of things, but also maybe

982
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 6: the mothering side of things for her. She then clearly

983
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 6: grew up without one, right, so she's created maybe the

984
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 6: idea of what she always wanted in a mom, so

985
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 6: she didn't forget to have And it was just so

986
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 6: tragic watching, you know, watching Zach really go through the

987
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 6: grieving process without support from his dad is it's touching.

988
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 5: And I think Cody's doing such a lovely.

989
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 6: Job with that storyline because you can see he's troubled.

990
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 6: They allude to the fact that he might have been

991
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 6: troubled before this happened, and now he's kind of without

992
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 6: a network or a support system to go through this

993
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 6: incredibly tragic thing, and now Bree's offering him a hand.

994
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 6: And it's going to be very interesting to see where

995
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 6: that goes, because I can't tell if he's sort of

996
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 6: using Brie as a surrogate mom now or if there's

997
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 6: like a romantic thing happening.

998
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't get that there's romance.

999
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: I was not picking up romance, but I was picking

1000
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: up this deep sadness. And you're right, she extends this

1001
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: hand and then because of the issues in her own

1002
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: life and the fact that she wants to salvage her marriage,

1003
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: she pulls it away, and we actually get a book

1004
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: ended episode with a beginning of a break in and

1005
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: an ending with a break in with this bizarre Christmas

1006
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: decorating cry for help, I would say on Zach's part,

1007
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: and this heartbreaking moment when when his pall comes in,

1008
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: his dad comes in and he reaches for breeze hand.

1009
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 4: And I didn't really view that romantically at all, but

1010
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: I really did view it as this kind of surrogate

1011
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: mother relationship that I think maybe she is unintentionally open

1012
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 4: to can of worms she didn't really expect to.

1013
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally so we And by the way, I just

1014
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: had a bite of this. I think this might be

1015
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: the best thing I've thin I.

1016
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 7: Can actually smell the it's wasting off of it.

1017
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: It's really really good. I think the secret to a

1018
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: good candy Dam's dish is the combination of the sugar

1019
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: and the salt. And there's actually even a little bit

1020
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: of heat in there. There's a tiny bit of cayenne

1021
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of this.

1022
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 5: It's so good and it's so funny me Thanksgiving.

1023
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a thousand degrees outside, but I'm just going

1024
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 6: to pretend that it's fall and it's coziness.

1025
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: And so this episode sort of wraps up with uh

1026
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: Juanita sort of giving that kind of final threat to

1027
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Gabby of like, you know, I think you, I think

1028
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm doing here, and I think you

1029
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: know that I'm onto you, and I and and and

1030
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: and then and Susan has gotten her kiss and where we.

1031
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: Oh and Lynette Lynette, we kind of lost track of

1032
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 4: the storyline with the original Yes, so Lynette tires her

1033
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: kids out, she gets them the interview, which, by the way,

1034
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 4: this actually I think was my favorite line from the episode,

1035
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 4: when the principal of the school says, we're always looking

1036
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: for more diversity in regards in regards to the identical twins,

1037
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: So funny being the diversity box that the school wants

1038
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 4: to check. And she tires them out, and then it

1039
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 4: sounds like they've gotten into the school, but they can't

1040
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 4: afford to pay for it, and Tom throws out, well,

1041
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: why don't you home school them because they can't go

1042
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 4: to public school anymore, and you know, she sort of

1043
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 4: throws that back in his face, and then we get

1044
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: the resolve of her deciding that they need to sell

1045
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 4: his sailboat so they can send the kids to the fancy.

1046
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: She very artfully leads him to believing that that was his.

1047
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 7: Decision, stands next to the mantle and goes.

1048
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 6: She uses his argument for compromise and sacrifice to get

1049
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: him to recognize what he could be offering up to sacrifice.

1050
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 7: She must have been so good in the corporate world.

1051
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, and uh and but it doesn't lead

1052
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 6: me to one other thing mystery that continues, which is

1053
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 6: where is the baby?

1054
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 5: Where is their baby?

1055
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 6: And also where is their third son in this episode,

1056
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 6: because there are three little boys, and you know, you

1057
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 6: see the twins trying to get in school and all

1058
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 6: this stuff, and.

1059
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: He's still in their public school because he didn't paint

1060
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: anybody blue.

1061
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe he was in a different grade.

1062
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 5: Yes, he's allowed to stay in his schooling. Yeah that's true.

1063
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 5: That's true.

1064
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: So I love this episode, and I feel like some

1065
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: of the episodes you feel like, I feel like one

1066
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: of the last one we did, maybe I didn't feel

1067
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: like I had it as much to say, I feel

1068
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: like this one. There were some of my just favorite lines,

1069
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: and I really was taken in by what each character

1070
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: was sort of dealing with. I really loved this episode.

1071
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: I felt like the most desperate moment to me, I

1072
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: guess was Lynette asking Bree to lie for her. Feel

1073
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: like that's your She didn't do it in a desperate way.

1074
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: She did it almost playfully, like of course you're going

1075
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: to do this for me. But to me, that actual

1076
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: ask of asking a friend to lie for me, that

1077
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: would be in real life that would feel like, Wow,

1078
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: I've hit the bottom.

1079
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 6: It was coming from like I don't know what else

1080
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 6: to do. I'm desperate for this. Yeah, that's interesting.

1081
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 7: What was yours, Andrea? What did you think your most

1082
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 7: desperate moment was.

1083
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 6: I think my most desperate moment in the episode was

1084
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 6: Gabrielle framing her mother in law for shoplifting so that

1085
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 6: she could hook up with a teenager.

1086
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: Well that's desperate and funny.

1087
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's hard to argue with.

1088
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I think my most desperate moment

1089
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: was Susan calling her thirteen year old daughter from a

1090
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 4: street corner using a sex worker's phone that she bribed

1091
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 4: her for so the man who won't actually go out

1092
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: with her could come and pick her up off the street.

1093
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: Well, now that you say it that way, exactly.

1094
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 5: I think you win.

1095
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the most desperate moment.

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Speaker 4: I'm so so excited also as we're exploring more and

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Speaker 4: more episodes to hear from you, to hear from our listeners.

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Speaker 4: I know we want you to write in with questions,

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Speaker 4: with observations. It would be amazing to hear if you've

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Speaker 4: had a very desperate moment in your week that you

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Speaker 4: want to.

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Speaker 7: Share with us.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you can do that because our instagram is

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Speaker 4: live at Desperately Devoted Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Come find us there, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Drop us a D m oh Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks everybody for joining us again. We wish you

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Speaker 2: were here. There's a lot more candid dams.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna have to put up a recipe.

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Speaker 2: I will definitely. I will always be putting up the recipes.

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Speaker 2: I love the way food is a part of our

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Speaker 2: lives and food is a part of with Sarria Lane.

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Speaker 2: And we will see you for the next one because

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Speaker 2: we are desperately devoted to you