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Speaker 1: Mmm, hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. Our guest today is on a Sealinas cartoonist, comedian,

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Speaker 1: writer person sitting across from me at the table. That

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Speaker 1: is my greatest qualification. You have so many qualifications, um Anna,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Well the show. Now, let me ask you.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a guy named keithrew Neary.

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Speaker 1: I will be honest with you. I had not until

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Speaker 1: about five minutes ago. Um and you did introduce him

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Speaker 1: very nominally. You're killing the movie magic Anna, Oh am,

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Speaker 1: I really no, No, it's fine. Uh well, now I

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Speaker 1: have to keep going. I feel like, uh you you

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Speaker 1: you introduced him as the founder of how do you

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Speaker 1: say it? Nexium? So not the heartburn medication. They say name, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not so it's spelled in like all capital letters

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Speaker 1: in X, I V M. Because they're super pretentious, super pretentious.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was very embarrassed when I thought it

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Speaker 1: was the founder of Nexium, the heartburnt medication. No. Upon

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Speaker 1: hearing it. It's the same. It is the same, and

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Speaker 1: it's not your fault. It's their fault for naming their

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Speaker 1: weird cult after a heartburn medication. Yeah, exactly. I think

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Speaker 1: existed before Late Night. I've been taking it for years.

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Speaker 1: And how long is the sex cult? But going on, Well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into that today. So, uh, if

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Speaker 1: you've heard of Nexium as a sex cult, it's probably

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Speaker 1: because Alison Mac, former Small Vill actress, got arrested recently,

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Speaker 1: along with the founder of the cult, Keith Renary. They're

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Speaker 1: a bunch of New York Times articles about it. They

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Speaker 1: that's what most people know about Nexium. Did you read

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Speaker 1: the New York Times articles um about Alison Mac? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean no, I read probably the lead Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: And I used to watch small also, it was a

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Speaker 1: really big shock. Well, I wanna, I wanna make sure

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Speaker 1: everybody listening knows even if you read those articles that

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Speaker 1: I started by reading those articles and then I started digging,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out there's like thirty some odd years

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Speaker 1: of stuff behind this colt and behind this guy, Keith

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Speaker 1: rew Eerie, and he is a fascinating piece of ship.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna dig into him a little bit. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Keith ran Eerie and Nexium kind of first hit the

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Speaker 1: public mind most recently with the New York Times article

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Speaker 1: last October called Inside a secretive group where women are branded.

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Speaker 1: The article focused on the creation that's a little v

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Speaker 1: uous where women are branded, branded like literally brand yeah

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Speaker 1: with a hot eye. Oh my god, because when I

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Speaker 1: first heard it, I thought it meant like brand like

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Speaker 1: the content. Now you're Cheetos on No, no, no, that's

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Speaker 1: that's not that's not what happened. No. Uh. There would

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Speaker 1: this larger cult. Can I ask a problematic question? There's

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Speaker 1: no non problematic questions in this podcast. Did they like it? Well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a different answer depending on who you

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Speaker 1: horrified at what happened. A lot of people left immediately

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Speaker 1: Well you can let me know if any of these

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Speaker 1: Ville in a meaningful way. I will ex Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what he doesn't have is personal people to vet the

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Speaker 1: news websites that he reads. Late last month, he got

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Speaker 1: the Knife Media purports to rate mainstream news coverage on

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Speaker 1: He's wearing a fleece. Yeah, you wouldn't think he was

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Speaker 1: he says that, yeah, yeah, exactly, uh wow yeah. So um,

423
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: it's possible Keith actually is a member of the Mega

424
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: Society and has a very high i Q. However, Keith

425
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: also claims the nineteen eighty nine Guinness Book of World

426
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: Records honored him for having the highest i Q. That

427
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: is clear and provable nonsense, because Maryland Vassavant had the

428
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: highest recorded i Q on the and was in the

429
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: Guinness Record for that from nineteen eight six through eighty nine.

430
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't even believe this man has had and i

431
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: Q test. Yeah, that's I could totally see that being

432
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: alive from the beginning. Yeah, because in the nineteen eighties

433
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: you could say anything you could. You think people couldn't

434
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: google it. Albany random newspaper isn't gonna check. No one

435
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: was looking. And I don't know the way this guy writes,

436
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: he doesn't sound very smart. He doesn't write, he sounds

437
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: like someone who's pretending to be smart. We're going to

438
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: listen to him later. I don't disagree with you. We're

439
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: gonna listen to him later. He clearly has a type

440
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: of intelligence, just like Donald Trump has a type of

441
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: intelligence as he wouldn't be able to do what he does.

442
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: It's very comparable. But he is not a genius in

443
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: the sense that, like he's able to usefully add to

444
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: the human experience from people. What an interesting thing to

445
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: get people. And I guess Trump does this too by

446
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: being like, I'm smarter than you. Yeah, and he does

447
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: it in such a almost more frustrating way. Yeah, Like

448
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: Keith doesn't like his focus on like I have this

449
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: i Q, I am this much rare. My brain is

450
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: so this rare, and the I'm one of the three

451
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: greatest problem solvers on the planet, which is even more

452
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: nonsense than he. Uh. He reminds me of what we

453
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: used to do in speech and debate in high school?

454
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: Did you did you ever know I was a speech

455
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: and debate kid for four years? What did you do?

456
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: Ld a lot of Lincoln Douglas debate? I did one

457
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: of those kids. And what you learned in extent was

458
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, you gave a speech for seven minutes extemporaneously,

459
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: and what you learned is to just make up yeah

460
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: things yeah, and to say them with confidence. And no

461
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: one would ever know the difference because these were just parents.

462
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: Uh he sounds like how how we sounded making up

463
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: those But also like looking back, it's like, nah that

464
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: the adults knew it was fake. We we just I

465
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I once gave a whole speech about is

466
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: Macedonia going back to civil war? Oh? Wow, were they

467
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: Macedonia do in these days? I made up everything from

468
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: the beginning to the end beautiful. Yeah, and I thought

469
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: I did great, But looking back, well it was it

470
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: was not unlike that bio. No, I mean the great

471
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: Like if you if you're a student of history, the

472
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: most important lesson of history is that if you get

473
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: up and you lie with confidence, most people will buy it. Yeah,

474
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: Like that's just human history from like ten thousand b c. Too. Now,

475
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: if you just get up and you're full of ship,

476
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: like LD. Debate was a lot of that, like it

477
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: really I always regarded debate as like the smart ones.

478
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of research involved, but in a pinch,

479
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: lying will do the trick sometimes, especially if you're like me,

480
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: like a tall white guy, because if you if you're

481
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: a tall white guy and you say things with confidence,

482
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: people just tend to trust you. It's amazing. It's like

483
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: when I saw Keith in the the Fleece, I was like,

484
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, look at this guy. He looks

485
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: like he's someone who talks avidly about hiking. Show me

486
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: a woman who looks exactly like me, and I'll be like,

487
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't trust her. Oh boy, Okay, Well, moving right along.

488
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: Keith claims we have started his first business in nineteen

489
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: eight four. He called it the Concept School and then

490
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: later the Life Learning Institute. Again, Keith gives almost no

491
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: details as to what these businesses were. This is all

492
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: from the affidavit, which I'm using because he presumably lied

493
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: less in it because it would be perjury, right, Yeah,

494
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: So that that anyway, That's why I'm using the affidavit

495
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: so much. In order to start these businesses, he claims

496
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: he distilled a lifetime of careful thought and his genius

497
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: intellect into their creation, but he never actually says what

498
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: they did. These first ventures wound up closing due to

499
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: irreconcilable differences between Keith and his backers. Uh this is

500
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: which is code for he couldn't return on the money. Yeah,

501
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: he wasn't actually doing anything. Keith did get up to

502
00:27:53,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: something else in nineteen eight four though, molesting teenagers. Yeah,

503
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: he was all busy. He had a new hobby. He's

504
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: getting up to Okay. He was living in an apartment

505
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: building in Troy when he met Gina Melita. She was

506
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: fifteen and he was twenty four. They struck up a

507
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: friendship and went to the arcade together Rhneer. He was

508
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: obsessed with pac Man in a game called Vanguard. He

509
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: told her he was a genius and a judo champion,

510
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: which he always he loves bringing up that judo championship.

511
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: Why which again nothing against martial arts. Fine way to

512
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: stay fit, great pastime. If you brag about the martial

513
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: arts that you do, don't let that is the immediate.

514
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: Well that's also just the immediate, Like, okay, I'm going

515
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: to disregard you as a person if the first thing

516
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: you say to me is bragging about your martial arts

517
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: career and we're not like at a martial arts cup.

518
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I immediately I immediately doubt it first of all, And

519
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I wonder if he said it just because it was like, yeah,

520
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm tough, don't mess with me. I could fight, but

521
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't fight in a maybe it's like no one knows,

522
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: like no one knows judo, so they could never challenge him.

523
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: It was like safe, yeah, because I wouldn't know how

524
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, well howdy good you would judo

525
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: or yeah, let's judo. Yeah, so he anyway, but so

526
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: he brings. He tells the fifteen year old girl that

527
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: he was great at judo at eleven uh, and then

528
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: he takes her virginity. They had what some sources call

529
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: a relationship and I think with the law call statutory rape.

530
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: Off and on for about four months. Keith Ranieri told

531
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: her not to tell her mother and also urged her

532
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: to lose weight because she was too fat for him.

533
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's going to be a pattern to this

534
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like Trump. They're not as different as

535
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I think he would want to be seen as. Yeah,

536
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: the wait thing, although he's a big randy in uh

537
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: rand okay, Yeah. Keith met another girl in Nur also.

538
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Her name is Gina Hutchinson. She was sixteen, they started

539
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: having sex. When Jina's sister heid He found out, she

540
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: confronted Keith Ranieri. Quote Heidi said, Ranieri told her that

541
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: she did not understand her sister's soul was much older

542
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: than her biological age. He explained to Gina was a

543
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: Buddhist goddess meant to be with him. Goddesses and Buddhism.

544
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of different

545
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: little sects, but I'm going to guess this is just bullshit.

546
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously bullshit, but I'm gonna guess he was

547
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: just lying about Buddhist goddesses existing anywhere. Man, what a

548
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: thing to tell someone. Yeah, you look, I know it

549
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: looks bad, but their souls really old. And I can

550
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: see their souls really old and Buddhist and Buddhist. So

551
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: that makes this fine. Yeah, as if just that alone

552
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: would make the sister be like, well, I did never

553
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: notice that he did say Buddha's name. Yeah, I guess

554
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: he's fine. That quote was from the Albany Times Union,

555
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: which has done a lot of good reporting on Keith Raniery. Uh. Yeah,

556
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: so if you're work for the Albany Times Union, congrats anyway,

557
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: None of the rapes are mentioned in Keith's official bios

558
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: obviously or the affidavit. He claims that during this time

559
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: he decided he was called on to teach people his

560
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: remarkable theories on learning. I'm quote from the affidavit here,

561
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: to test my theories and earn money. I became an

562
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: independent contractor for several marketing and sales organizations, with one

563
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: organization that had more than two thousand representatives nationally. I

564
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: was able to personally recruit and train, using my motivational methodology,

565
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: six of the ten top producers in a month. It

566
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: doesn't give the name of the company he was working for,

567
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: probably because it's a lie um definitely, which is a

568
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: big Keith threw eerie move. Yeah, just say the thing

569
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: without being the thing you did, like people who have

570
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: accomplished things do. Yeah. Like you can still be kind

571
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: of a scammer and have like but you just say

572
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: like I did this thing. Even Donald Trump people say

573
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I built this building, I ran this company. I ran

574
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: this company, like keithrew an EARI there's never anything specific

575
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: it's mentioned, but it worked clear people Yeah listened. They

576
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: were usually younger, though, I assume yeah, or at least

577
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: in this in this sectual way. Yeah, so he wound

578
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: up quitting that unnamed organization because he says they didn't

579
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: gel with his ethical foundations, which never elaborates on, never

580
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: tells us what those ethical foundations are. But you know,

581
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: by the time the eighties are over, uh, he has

582
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: sort of started to settle on a new thing that

583
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: he wants to do. Using the quote from the affidavit,

584
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: in n held a meeting with four of my friends

585
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: in my living room to determine the principal structure of

586
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: a new business. We called this business Consumers Byline, which

587
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: like buyas and purchase, and officially started business on May Onet.

588
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: The business was based on my projective human model with ethics,

589
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: which does not tell you anything about what the business is.

590
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: It was a multi level marketing scam. It was a

591
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme. People would pay two hundred plus dollars for

592
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: access to discount buying groups, which are supposed to give

593
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: them access to cheaper groceries and stuff, but if they

594
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: signed up other people then they get monthly commissions. The

595
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: grocery discount program was canceled, but the company kept charging

596
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: people for it, and they didn't actually pay people for

597
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: selling memberships. I there eventually they had something like a

598
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: quarter of a million members. But also we're paying out

599
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: millions in legal fees because they were defrauding tons of people,

600
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: very brazenly dera, very brazenly defrauding people, Like they're gonna

601
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: complain that they're not getting paid. Yeah, but if you

602
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: keep getting enough new members fast enough to pay the

603
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: legal fees, Keith Ranieri can live well. So in nineteen ninety,

604
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: the year that Keith and his friends came up with

605
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Consumers Byline, Keith also allegedly sexually assaulted a twelve year

606
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: old Yeah, yeah, this is a This anonymous girl was

607
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: the child of a saleswoman who worked for the Consumers Byline.

608
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: According to The Times Union, her mother called Keith Ranieri

609
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: and Einstein quote. Rani would call staff meetings to deliver

610
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: sometimes tearful, emotional messages. He frequently showed a film without

611
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: a man who plants seeds in the desert to build

612
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: a forest. He suggested he was that type of noble

613
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: cultivator of people, which the deserts, the desert don't plant

614
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: seeds in it. It doesn't need trees, I mean, like

615
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: not that it doesn't have I wonder what that video was, Like,

616
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: did they stitch it together and make it seem like

617
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: the guy did it, like he planted a whole forest

618
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: in the desert. I don't know. It makes me like

619
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: if I was going to do that, it would be

620
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm gonna start an ocean in the

621
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: desert and I'm just gonna start dropping fish and water

622
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: and eventually we'll have us in oceans. Like, no, that's

623
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: not what it is. Yeah, that doesn't work. But like

624
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: if I were in his shoes, I think I would

625
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: just show people a real documentary, yeah, about an actual

626
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: inspiring person, Yeah, whom there are, and like jump on

627
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: that train. Yeah. Uh So he apparently, you know, saw

628
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: himself as a man who was planting seeds, and he

629
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: apparently decided to molest this twelve year old girl. So

630
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: Keith Nary told the girl's mom, who idolized him, that

631
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: he wanted to tutor her daughter. At the same time,

632
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: Keith's girlfriend apparently hired the young lady as a dog walker.

633
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: The girl alleges that Keith started by showering her with

634
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: attention and then quickly moved on to molesting her. Quote,

635
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: they told me, I was smart and took an interest

636
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: in me. They let me spend every afternoon at their house.

637
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: She said, it was exciting to be somewhere people wanted me.

638
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: I was perfect picking and secure at the time. To

639
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: have someone that mature and that well thought of be

640
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: interested in me, it was flattering. I was young and experienced,

641
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and out of my league. Yeah. So, Keith continued

642
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: to have sex with her for quite some time in

643
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: his town house and empty offices and an elevator in

644
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: a broom closet at the plaza that hosted the consumers byline.

645
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: She claims the relationship went on for about a year,

646
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: with at least sixty individual sexual encounters. She reported it

647
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: to the police, but withheld her name. The report didn't

648
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: go anywhere. It's hard to say why, since police in

649
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: the Capitol region of New York purged all their files

650
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen nineties, So it didn't nothing happened.

651
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: How can nothing happen off of that? I mean, that's

652
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: but that's the case with Cosby and with Weinstein. They

653
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere for a long time. Yeah, that's true.

654
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: That's true. We're in such a radically differ a moment

655
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, this was still the dark ages for

656
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah. Wow, it's weird out, Like this idea

657
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: of telling a young girl she's smart and showering her

658
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: with attention. As shitty as that is, I feel like

659
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: that's still so common on college campuses and at high

660
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: schools with teachers kind of coming up towards that line.

661
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean it works for everybody, because high schools, if

662
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: you're a thoughtful, smart person, usually not your favorite time. Yes,

663
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: it's rough for a lot of kids. And if an

664
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: adult who is well thought of says that like your

665
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: special and takes an interest in you, like that's that

666
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: can be a big deal. Yeah, because you feel the misunderstood, Uh,

667
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: you're doing Lincoln Douglas debate, which a lot of people

668
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: probably thought wasn't cool, certainly did not. You know, get

669
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: you dates. I'll tell you one thing, speach and debate.

670
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: At my high school, got you dates. We had no sports,

671
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: so it was like, I mean I thought it was

672
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: like the sports team. Yeah, I grew up in Texas,

673
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: so it was one of the was like, you know,

674
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: if you're on the football team, you can murder people,

675
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: but if you're anything else, if they didn't really care

676
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: all that much anyway. You remember that girl Gina from before, Yeah, okay,

677
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: so Keith convinced her to drop out of high school.

678
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: This is during the same time he's dating that twelve

679
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: year old. Um. He convinced a sixteen year old drop

680
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: out of high school, promising he would tutor her. The

681
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: two had kept seeing each other in Gina's family assumed

682
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: they would marry. She turned seventeen at some point during this,

683
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: which was the age of consent, so he was no

684
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: longer statutory raping er. He was just a creepy man

685
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: in his thirties dating a high schooler. That is a

686
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: line that exists. Yeah, it's fine, it's a crime anymore. Yeah,

687
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to say exactly how long their sexual relationship continued.

688
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: She did eventually start going to college, and Keith reportedly

689
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: got angry when male teachers would praise her for being

690
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: smart because he's an abusive prick. Yeah, yeah, I feel

691
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: like we're getting that aspect of him. Yeah in college

692
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: for her for going to college. Not a story that

693
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: ends happily, but move on for right now. So when

694
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: you dig into the Keith's life, you get essentially two

695
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: stories there's the Keith story of what happened and the

696
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: everything else that you can actually back up with objective

697
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: evidence story of what happened. So in the everybody else

698
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: version of reality, Keith spends the early nineties building a

699
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme and molesting end girls. His pyramid scheme falls

700
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: apart in which is also the year that he gets

701
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: reported of the cops from molesting another girl, which I

702
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: think we're four now three. That's when investigations in his

703
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme collapses because investigations by twenty three states and

704
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: two federal agencies determined that the consumer's byline is in

705
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: fact a pyramid scheme. So Keith can't do that scheme anymore,

706
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: and he has to find another scheme. Now. In Keith's

707
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: version of reality, he just used his experience running a

708
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: totally legit and awesome business which was super successful and

709
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: then sadly had to shut down due to people's bigoted

710
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: ideas of the world. Uh. He used that experience though,

711
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: to learn about people. Um, he was studying human beings

712
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: the whole time he was working. He's a humanitarian in

713
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: his work and exploring and human psyche, and a scholar

714
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: and a judo champion. Don't you forget that I was

715
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: leading up to that. I was going in order of importance. Good.

716
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: When we get out of here today and someone asks

717
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: who are you talking about today, You'll say Keith r

718
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: An Eerie And they'll say, what's that guy? And you'll

719
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: say he was pretty fucking good at judo thirty or

720
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: forty years ago. Yeah, and they'll say it sounds sounds

721
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 1: legit sounds cool. Where can I give him my money? Yeah?

722
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: And I'll say, just ben, mom, if you get the fleece,

723
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: you can make that work. I own the fleece. You

724
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: gotta be wearing it. But I'm not. I don't look

725
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: like you. And Keith whoa, whoa. Okay, you know I

726
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: don't know if I can pull off a period scheme.

727
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: People are too suspicious of women. Well, yeah, that's probably fair, okay.

728
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: So Keith spent his time running a pyramid scheme and

729
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: moll and Girls, also learning about humanity, and he discovered

730
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: in his own claims that minds work the same way

731
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: as computers, only using words instead of numbers to program them.

732
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: So he built a new form of communication called rational inquiry,

733
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: and the R and the I are always capitalized, and

734
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: it's always followed by a trademark Signum. Oh no, this

735
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: is serious ship we're dealing with here. Don't don't you

736
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: dare dismiss rational inquiry? It sounds like a thing. Can

737
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: you hear the capitals? When I say it? The capital?

738
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: The first time I didn't, But then when you said

739
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: it again, I did? Rational inquiry? Now yes, Now it

740
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: sounds like a patented line of T M something see

741
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: M R M. I don't understand. I don't either. Um okay,

742
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: so you're probably wondering what is rational inquiry? I've got

743
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: a quote from Keith Reniery trying to explain it here. Quote.

744
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: It enabled a person to find a common understanding with

745
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: others antologically build a belief system that matched a person's

746
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: subjective world, highly individually at consistent. Using this model, people

747
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: seem to understand themselves and each other better. Do you

748
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: get what rational inquiry is? Now? Talking? That is of

749
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: what Keith Rawnery does is talk very quickly, uh and

750
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: throw out a bunch of big words. Um. So we're

751
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: going to get into the opus of Keith's life, the

752
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: main venture that would define most of his time on

753
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: this earth and would be his most successful project Nexium.

754
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: But before we get into Nexium, we need to go

755
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: talk about ads for products that are that are actual

756
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: things that you can buy, rather than nonsense words said

757
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: by a child molester. So please buy some products. We're

758
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: back and we're talking about Keith Ranieri, humanitarian, judo champion, businessman,

759
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: and molester of multiple children. He has a lot more

760
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: credentials than that. You're right, but we only have so

761
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: much time, that's true, And and I feel like I've

762
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: read multiple lists of his credentials in this cyclist Cyclist.

763
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: So at this point, Keith's first business may have been

764
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: a gigantic and possibly criminal disaster, but he sowed the

765
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: seeds of his next venture. Obviously, next um Keith medal

766
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: lady named Nancy Salzman, who he described as in the

767
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: fffidavit as an international authority on human potential? Which what

768
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: how can you be an international authority on potential? What

769
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: do you do for a living? Oh, you know, I

770
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: write for television. What do you do for a living, Oh,

771
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an accountant, I'm a I'm an expert

772
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: on human potential. It's like going up to everyone and

773
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: being like you can be anything you want or is

774
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: it the opposite going up to people and being like,

775
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I think dentist. I feel like it's just reminding people

776
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: of what human beings can do. Like everybody's sitting around

777
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: talking about how to like build a road, and you're like,

778
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, we landed a man on the moon at

779
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: one point, we could build a road, which is definitely

780
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: what it is. Bunch of executives are trying to figure

781
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: out a new flavor of Dorrito's and you're like, you know,

782
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: human beings made the Holocaust happen. Just you know, just

783
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: just reminding people because the human potential, Yeah, yeah, potential

784
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: can go either way. And it's important that the Dorrito's

785
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: people not fly too close to the sun. It is

786
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: because they've been flying real close lately. I know, cool

787
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: Ranch we were never meant to have it. No, we

788
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: can't handle it. I also hate Dorrito's. Cool Ranch is

789
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: a disgusting line of chips and a sea of terrible chips.

790
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I just want to note to all the listeners that

791
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: it is not the official standpoint of this podcast that

792
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: cool Ranch Doritos aren't delicious. No, I understand many people

793
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: like them, but we're just trying to get the cool

794
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: ranch people to put some mad dollars our way. Oh yeah,

795
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: do they sponsor a lot of podcasts? I don't know,

796
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: but we could be the first. And I just want

797
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: people to know. If there is anyone from Dorito's listening,

798
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: please have a Derrito's tastic day. Yes, God, I love

799
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: a good Derito. Anyway, back to Keith Ranieri, Yes, a

800
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: good segue, speaking of speaking of chips, speaking of cheesy flavor.

801
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: So he met this lady, Nancy Salzman, International Authority and

802
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: human Potential. He touted her for six months on the

803
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: techniques of his new breakthrough learning science, and then the

804
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: two started Nexium. At this point you may be wondering

805
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: what the funk was Nexium. Well, next Sium was an

806
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: umbrella company and its main initial purpose was to host

807
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: professional development seminars focused around executive success programs all caps again, uh,

808
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: devised by Raneer, Rani and Salzman. You're probably still wondering

809
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: what the any of that means. This is by design

810
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: and the affidavit Ranieri had to file. He claims that

811
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: the basis for the training was a twelve point copyrighted

812
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: mission statement. The actual text of that mission statement is

813
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: a trade secret, and you aren't allowed to know what

814
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: it says unless you pay to take the class, at

815
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: which point you're required to sign a confidentiality agreement promising

816
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: not to tell anyone about it. So again, if you

817
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: are sitting at home wondering what the funk is he

818
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: actually doing, it's impossible to know. Well, it's not impossible

819
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: because we have some inside data, but we didn't dig

820
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: in on this ship. Did people break their n d

821
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: as in the course of this investigation? And how then

822
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: these aren't India's their confidentiality agreements, So we're not talking

823
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: about like a Weinstein level, where like somebody who has

824
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: very smart lawyers is drawing up actual iron clad legal documents.

825
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: We'll get into what these are a little bit. So

826
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: what happened in these executive success programs? Thankfully we have

827
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: reports from actual attendees. The following quotes are from a

828
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: woman who showed up at one of these seminars in

829
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: two thousands seven after being urged to do show so

830
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: by professionals. She admired. The whole process started with the

831
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: class received quote a document entitled Rules and Rituals which

832
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: informed us to never speak of any of our experiences

833
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 1: in esp Attendees were also told to quote, remove our shoes, bow,

834
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: and pay tribute to founder Keith Ranieri. There was a

835
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: lengthy explanation of how to perform a perfect handshake as

836
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: well as the ESP secret handshake, an explanation of how

837
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: different colored ash hierarchy works, which seems based entirely in

838
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: recruitment rather than a measurable skill set, and the request

839
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: that Keith Ranieri was to be referred to as Vanguard

840
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: and Nancy Salzman as Prefect. So, first off, the game

841
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: that Keith Rinieri played to impress the teenager he fucked

842
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: was Vanguard. I just think that's interesting. Oh. I don't

843
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: know if there's a connection there, but maybe weird. Right,

844
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: it's weird that people have to take off their shoes

845
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: and bow to him. That is weird. Huh, Like that's weird.

846
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: But then I started thinking, I've been an assistant for

847
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: various bosses and you start to do weird stuff that

848
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: you kind of normalize, where it's like, well, this is

849
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: this person is above me. I have to please them.

850
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: If I please them, things will go well. I guess

851
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I'm the kind of person that

852
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: would be an ac cult well, you might be able

853
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: to join this cult still, depending on how the court

854
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: cases go. Um. But there's a lot to dig into

855
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: in that pair graph and I do want to talk

856
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: about the handshake thing for a little bit, because back

857
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, cult expert Rick Ross received several

858
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: internal Nexium training documents from a disgruntled attendee. He had

859
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: them analyzed by cult experts, including Dr Paul Martin, a

860
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: licensed clinical psychologist. This is where the affidavit comes from,

861
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: because Keith sued Rick Ross, saying that he was exposing

862
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Nexium's trade secrets. He lost and so the stuff is

863
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: still up there. And now we have quotes from several

864
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: sections of the ESP training manuals and guidelines, including Keith R.

865
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: Neary's explanation of how to shake hands. Are you ready

866
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: to learn how to shake some fucking hands? Yeah? Okay, okay.

867
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: Quote handshaking is a sign of respect and affords us

868
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make direct physical contact with others. We

869
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: believe that many of society's problems have developed because people

870
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: have come to view each other as objects rather than

871
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: human beings. So far, not entirely insane. Spoken from a

872
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: man who has sex with twelve year old spoken from

873
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: child molester. Yeah. Absolutely, But you know, society is fucked

874
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: up because people don't make direct physical contact enough. That's

875
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: an arguable point. Although creepy from the mouth of a

876
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: child molester it is, but I'm listening. Here. In the

877
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: sp we use a two handed handshake. This conveys warmth

878
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: into sense of community. Placement of the left hand denotes rank.

879
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: Individuals of higher rank place their left hand on the top.

880
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: Individuals of the same rank shake vertically. Lower rank places

881
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: the left hand on bottom. So simultaneously, society is fucked

882
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: up because we don't spend enough time connecting with each other.

883
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: But also, shaking someone's hand should be a sign of dominance. Wow,

884
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: you know what. It makes sense though, because he still

885
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: had to maintain this illusion that like he is always superior, exactly,

886
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: and you've got to reinforce that by changing the way people.

887
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: It's also crazy, is handshakes are that in real life

888
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: only with people who are lame? Okay, make that argument,

889
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: but I am not. I'm not much of a toucher.

890
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a handshaker. I feel like it's

891
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: very awkward, even a hugger. Yeah, but it's fine. When

892
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: someone goes in to hold your hand, not to hold

893
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: but to shake it, and they have a steady, stern grip,

894
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: there's a little part of you that's like a steady grip,

895
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: but not like a crushing grip or anything like that.

896
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: Like I I spent some time, you know, working as

897
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: a war correspondent for a while in a couple of

898
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: different places, and I met a lot of really formidable

899
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: human beings, and none of them did the like crush

900
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: your hand. It was always just like a short like

901
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: like firm, but it was it was never like like

902
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: the people I've met who have always like really gone

903
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: into it and like gripped the hand like they're always lame.

904
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: They're always like sad little men who don't have any

905
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: other way to feel, to overcompensate. Yeah, I bet I

906
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: bet Keith had a very I bet Keith tried to

907
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: fucking rip your hand up here. Yeah. So there is

908
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: a detailed explanation for how to shake hands. And you

909
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: tell me if this gives you any good information on handshaking,

910
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: because I can't understand what the fun he's going for here.

911
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Crux of the hand is the portion of the hand

912
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: between the thumb and forefinger, where they form a right angle.

913
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Ristcock refers to the angle of the wrist, which can

914
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: be used to gain control of the handshake. It is

915
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: important to control the cock of the wrist slightly down

916
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: as you move into the handshake. Positioning of the feet

917
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: determines dominance. Stepping into the handshake with the right foot

918
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: creates a more dominant position, expressing strength for the handshaker.

919
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Stepping into the handshake with the left foot will be

920
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: perceived by both people as a more passive expression. The

921
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: middle and ring fingers are used to gain control of

922
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: the handshake. Okay, I get it, now, I get Is

923
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: this still a rational inquiry? Oh yeah, I mean I

924
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: guess it's hard to it's hard to say where one

925
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: part and he's doing is taking ways that people interact

926
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: and explaining them as if you've never heard of it. Yeah,

927
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: like you're an alien, if you are an alien making

928
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: up because it never in my life. If I thought

929
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: about where my feet are in a handshake, or be

930
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: like that guy stepped forward with this left foot. He's

931
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: showing submission. Yes, no, And I feel like I should

932
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that something can be said for like

933
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: the way we stand in the way we sit subconsciously,

934
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: like when you and this is something I've heard and

935
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: all that, like lean and talk for women, But when

936
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: you stand in a powerful stance and put your shoulders back,

937
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: that can affect your confident absolutely. But this the way

938
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: he's explaining it is not like feel more confident. It's

939
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: very Yeah, this is how to dominate the other person,

940
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: is how to take control of the handshake. Yeah, which

941
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: so sad. Yeah. These leaked documents are also how we

942
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: know the exact content of the confidentiality pledge that attendees

943
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: were forced to recite the methods and information I learned

944
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: in the ESP or from my use only, I will

945
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: not speak of them or in any way give others

946
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: knowledge of them outside ESP. Part of condition of being

947
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: accepted to ESP is to keep all its information confidential.

948
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: If I violate this, I am breaking a promise and

949
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: breaching my contract. But more importantly, I am compromising my

950
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: inner honesty and integrity. You know you're doing something embarrassing

951
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: when everyone's like, yeah, but let's not tell anyone, don't

952
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: tell anybody about this. Yeah, let's let's not know. There's

953
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: every great thing people are a part of includes a

954
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: confidentiality pledge. Yeah, anytime someone says that to me, I

955
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: immediately want to tell the whole world. So I'm like,

956
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: you don't get to tell me that. I feel like

957
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: that's why some of these documents like yeah, like whoa, whoa,

958
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: this is weird. I'm going to tell everyone. Going back

959
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: to the experiences of the lady we were quoting earlier,

960
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: who attended an sp course and wrote about it, she

961
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: also reported hearing an awful lot of nonsense about Keith

962
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: Renaris like que quote. At times it was two, at

963
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: other times it jumped to two hundred forty depending on

964
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: who was praising his amazing nous. Um attendees were forced

965
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: to watch a video of Nancy Salzman where she insisted

966
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: that Vanguard was one of only two or three people

967
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: in the world who could solve all of the planet's problems.

968
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: Um So. This attendee actually sat through the whole session

969
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: and says that she benefited from some of the exercises

970
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: in the course. Once the instructor got done praising Keith Rhneery.

971
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: It does sound like there's might be vaguely useful stuff

972
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: buried in the nonsense. But the session ended with a

973
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: two hour lecture on y E SP wasn't a cult,

974
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: which is the number one warning sign that something is

975
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: a cult. Yeah, come on, guys, this isn't a call.

976
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: This isn't a call. It's going to get a little weird,

977
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: but it's it's just how we do things. We're just

978
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: worshiping a man who makes us isolate ourselves from society

979
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: and our family. But it's not a cult. No. I

980
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: wonder if this guy had any experience with scientology. Oh boy,

981
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: he sure did. Oh yeah, no, scientology this so we'll

982
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: get into some of this a little bit. But his

983
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: everything that he's done is essentially a milange of iron

984
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: rand I'm rance philosophy and scientology, including using some of

985
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: the terms from scientology things to mash up. Yeah, it's

986
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: libertarian science pology. Yeah, so buckle up. So the session

987
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: in with the two our lecture on white ESP wasn't

988
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: a cult. The attendee who wrote that report noted that

989
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: a majority of the other attendees seem to be women

990
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: under twenty five who did not have a lot of

991
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: self confidence. Yeah. Now, her report doesn't go into an

992
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: awful lot of detail about the contents of the class,

993
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: but fortunately we do have direct quotes from Nexium's source material.

994
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: First off, here's an actual definition from the class of

995
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: rational inquiry. Rational inquiry is a science based on the

996
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: belief that the more consistent a person is in their thinking,

997
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: the more successful the individual will be. That's bullshit. Well,

998
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: that is in keeping with vagueness. That is the way,

999
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: the vaguest way to talk about human thinking. Yeah, just

1000
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: be consistent. Which also that's bullshit because if you've ever

1001
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: worked a creative job, you know one of the keys

1002
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: to being effectively creative in a productive way is to

1003
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: change your circumstances and situation, mind state, and whatnot so

1004
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: that you can have you know, better ideas and even

1005
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: mean in this context, Yeah, consistency is great if you're

1006
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: making car engines. It's not great if you're a creative

1007
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: person trying to make a creative product. Yeah. Anyway, Keith

1008
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: Renery does go into more detail about what rational inquiry is,

1009
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: so we'll see if by the end of this paragraph

1010
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: you have any fucking idea what his breakthrough sciences. All

1011
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: adults have disintegrations because when they were children learning to

1012
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: be adults and learning about the world, our perspective was

1013
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: based on the perception, intellect, and wisdom of a small child.

1014
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: These lessons become the foundation of our whole adult reality.

1015
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: Rational inquiry lets you re examine these childhood beliefs from

1016
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: an adult perspective. So Keith Near, he claims he invented

1017
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: growing up. Yeah what literally, all he's doing is taking

1018
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: things people do anyway and naturally and giving them a

1019
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: bad name. Yeah, giving them a bad name, claiming that like, like, yes,

1020
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: of course we all learn things about the world that

1021
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: aren't true as children. Yeah, yeah, which is childhood. But

1022
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: I can see him. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit,

1023
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: but I can see the way that this like grasps

1024
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: at the edges of like psychoanalysis and question what you

1025
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: know to be reality, but in the like most useless

1026
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, yeah, I can't see how anyone could

1027
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: benefit in a major way from this stuff. But I

1028
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: can see how because then this is something you'll see

1029
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: when we play some of his audio later. He will

1030
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: start with like, this is like citing an actual concept

1031
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: in psychology or developmental psychology or whatever, And for a

1032
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: minute or two he'll say something that's not nonsense, and

1033
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: he'll use that actual fact to make the nonsense that

1034
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: comes later sound like it's got some basis in science

1035
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: as opposed to just Keith Ranierie being full of ship.

1036
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: So uh, let's discuss the mission statement of Nexium Um.

1037
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: If you remember from the affidavit, Keith stated that his

1038
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: mission statement was so important that he had to see

1039
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: a guy over it. Here's how Dr Martin, who's one

1040
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: of the experts Rick Ross had review the materials, described

1041
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: the mission statement. The first point is success is an

1042
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: internal state of clear, honest knowledge of what I am,

1043
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: my value in the world, and my responsibility for the

1044
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: way I react to things. The second point is there

1045
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: are no ultimate victims. Therefore I will not choose to

1046
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: be a victim. There's a pledge to purge oneself of

1047
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: all parasite and nvy based habits. There's a pledge to

1048
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: control as much of the money of the world as

1049
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: possible within each student's success plan quote, a world of

1050
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: successful people will be a better world, and indeed a

1051
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: world devoid of hunger, theft, dishonesty, envy, and insecurity. People

1052
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: will no longer try to destroy each other and steal

1053
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: from each other or rejoice at in other's demise. Success

1054
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: ethics and integrity are coinspirational. I pledge to share and

1055
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: enroll people in ESP and its mission for myself to

1056
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: help make the world a better place to live. Man,

1057
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: the parallels to Trump are so heavy, Like I can

1058
00:57:54,600 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: see how offering people a way to empower themselves out

1059
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 1: of perceived victimhood could be enticing, but then tacking on

1060
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: and I'm going to make you super rich. Not just that,

1061
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: but the best thing. You know, if you're an ethical person,

1062
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: you look at it, all the fund up shi in

1063
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: the world, and you're like, oh my god, what could

1064
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: I do? He's saying the best thing you can do

1065
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: for the world is to make a shipload of money. Yeah. Wow,

1066
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: it's so broken. It's sad. It's the way I mean,

1067
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: if not to compare Keith Ranieri to fucking Hitler because

1068
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: they're not very similar people, but it's the same. It's

1069
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: the same thing. Like if you can tell a group

1070
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: of young people how special they are and make them

1071
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: feel special, they'll do almost anything for you. But on

1072
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: the other hand, I certainly have been in that position

1073
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: numerous times, like in high school, having a mentor who

1074
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: was a like a senior at the time, who was

1075
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: who seems so politically smart and led all the protests

1076
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,479
Speaker 1: on campus and then looking back and like, I don't know. Yeah,

1077
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: he was just kind of getting off on having a

1078
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: lot of people look up to him. Yeah, And it's

1079
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: easy then, because you're in a very small pond. You

1080
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: don't need to know that much about the world. To

1081
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: Keith didn't need to know that much. He just needed

1082
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: to be better at talking than these people. Yeah. Yeah,

1083
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: and of course make them pay thousands of dollars to

1084
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: attend his classes, because there is a sunk cost fallacy

1085
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: going on here. The five day intensive e SP course costs.

1086
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: There was a three day intensive in a sixteen day

1087
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: course which one assumes had to run at least seven

1088
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: or eight thousand dollars. So you're paying this guy a

1089
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: lot of money. You're going to be more inclined to

1090
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: believe he's not full of ship, right, Yeah, you got

1091
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: to protect yourself exactly. Say what you will about improv.

1092
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: But it's cheaper than that, Yes, yes, do improv, improv

1093
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: comedy cheaper than ESP classes. The healthiest quote you could

1094
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: join is improv. Yeah, maybe cross fit is a notch

1095
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: above it. Well, but people poop themselves a lot doing CrossFit.

1096
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: That's a real effect. If you know someone who got

1097
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: super at a crossbit, hey look excellent, they do look great. Yeah.

1098
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: A cornerstone of the intensive classes was working to shed

1099
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: parasitic behaviors, which you know we already quoted a little bit.

1100
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: Examples of such behavior included complaining about pain, expressing hunger,

1101
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: and statements like I know I promised, but I had

1102
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: no idea how hard or painful this was going to be.

1103
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh yeah. Keith Renieri probably child molester, also

1104
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: gave new definitions of the words good and bad. Quote

1105
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: when we were little children, we learned bad when someone

1106
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: yelled no, or that's bad stop. We learned good when

1107
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: we were rewarded in some way. This sort of learning

1108
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: is inconsistent limiting, because in order to have a full

1109
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: understanding of each concept, we would have to examine every

1110
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: example of good and every example of bad. This practice

1111
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: session affords you the opportunity to reevaluate your definitions of

1112
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: these vital concepts to form a solid foundation for the future,

1113
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: which is, it sounds like someone who's going to do

1114
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: something bad, sounds like someone good do something bad and

1115
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: tell you it's good. Yeah, yeah, And if there's probably

1116
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: no creepier thing than saying it's parasitic to tell someone

1117
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: that you don't want to do something because it's painful. Yeah, yeah,

1118
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. We already talked about how there are along

1119
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: lectures about how Nexium wasn't a cult. Keith does in

1120
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: his training manuals define the word cult. Uh quote. This

1121
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: is a label that conveys no meaning but to values

1122
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: the group. It is designed to keep people away from

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01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: the group without saying what is wrong with it. Example,

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: that's a cult. Classic exam classic, example, that's a cult.

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01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: They also call anyone who doubts Nexium or anyone who

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01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: breaks faith and tells other people at the classes a suppressive,

1127
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: which is straight out of scientology. Yeah. I could go

1128
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: on about Executive Success program training all day, but we

1129
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: have so much more ground to cover. I do want

1130
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: to point out just how careful Keith was to stay

1131
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: just on this side of not making legally fraudulent claims

1132
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: about his services. So I'm going to play a selection

1133
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: from a video Keith made called what Executive s S

1134
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: Programs Does, where he claims his seminars have supernatural healing

1135
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: powers in the weaselst way possible, and we will be

1136
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: posting links to all these videos on the site if

1137
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: you guys want to see Keith Renieri's creepy face, but

1138
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: you'll get a lot out of hearing his creepy voice.

1139
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: And I will say, within the thousands of people who

1140
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: have gone through we've had some incredibly you might call

1141
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: it strange or or wonderful happenings. And you can easily

1142
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: hold that up and say, oh, you know, we change

1143
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: this condition, or we there's one person in one of

1144
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: our intensives for whatever reason, how who knows, grew like

1145
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: three quarters of an inch and they're had some sort

1146
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: of release I think in their spine or their posture.

1147
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: Who knows what. Now that could have happened on the playground,

1148
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily happen from us. We've certainly that would

1149
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: be at best a case study and inadvertent case study.

1150
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: You certainly haven't done a double blind study, can we?

1151
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: You know? But do you have something like that, and oh,

1152
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: should we hold that up as a poster child and whatever? No,

1153
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there are many activities. You know, public

1154
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: school has probably had more than we have of those

1155
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: sort of things. So when people get really good results

1156
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: from us, yes, we do take testimonials at times or whatever,

1157
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: but we we look at those results ideally as an

1158
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: effect of really the answer to the question do you

1159
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: have more joy in your life? We would have been

1160
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: very satisfied with our results with you if you kept

1161
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: your full blown turets and all of that sort of thing,

1162
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: but came out saying, you know something, life is better

1163
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: for me. So that guy is claiming that Keith cured

1164
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: his turets. Yeah, but no, but that's not what we're

1165
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: saying the course does. We're just saying this guy took

1166
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: the course and we're not saying it will make you taller.

1167
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: But it did happen to this one guy. Yeah, that's

1168
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: it's smart. Again, it's a trump check dick. But I

1169
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: didn't get it when I just heard the written version

1170
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: of him. But hearing that he does know how to speak.

1171
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: He's very good at sea bringing it back like he

1172
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: was literally spouting bullshit. You said it best like supernatural,

1173
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: uh capacity of of course, like you know, you didn't

1174
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: make someone grow. Yeah, that's nonsense. Um. But to bring

1175
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: it back to like this question of did we bring

1176
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: more joy into your life? That's laser focus, that manipulating people. Yeah,

1177
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: and Keith Ranieri whatever else you can say about him,

1178
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: is a genius at manipulating people. Yeah. Um, and this

1179
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the part one of

1180
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: our two part series and Keith Ranieri. This wound up

1181
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: being like an eight thousand word thing that I wrote

1182
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: for this, so we have a lot more to cover

1183
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: when we come back on Thursday. We're going to talk

1184
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: about the first news articles that started to uncover the

1185
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: terrible story of Key through Eery back in the early

1186
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: two thousand's. Uh. And yes, we will get to more

1187
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: detail about the branding and all of that horrible ship.

1188
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: And we will also have some really weird videos of

1189
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: Keith Raney and Alex and Mac, So get ready for

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01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: that on Thursday. Until then, Anna, do you wanna plug

1191
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: your plugables? Yeah? You can find me on Instagram. I

1192
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: make a web comic. It's bad Comics with an X

1193
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: by Anna with two ends. I make comics about depression, anxiety,

1194
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: and cheese. So I'm lack post intolerant And you can

1195
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at bad Comics by Anna. Her

1196
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: comics are actually good. Thank you. We've gotta we've got

1197
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: to throw that into legal reasons. Um. Yeah, we can't

1198
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: be false advertising here h and by Doritos, by cool

1199
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: Ranch is the coolest of the ranches. Yeah, I'm Robert Evans.

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01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at I Write Okay

1201
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: two letters from my book on the Internet at A

1202
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: Brief History of Vices. It's on Amazon um. And you

1203
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: can find Behind the Bastards online at behind the Bastards

1204
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: dot com or on Twitter at Bastards pod. Uh So

1205
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: check us out. We'll have you know, some some video

1206
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: clips and pictures of this creep on there, and come

1207
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: back Thursday for the stirring conclusion to the story of

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: Keith Rniery, a real piece of ship m