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Speaker 1: where were you relationship wise? Your personal life? What were

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00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 1: you in terms of what you wanted to do? Like

427
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Speaker 1: you finish up five years at Northern Iowa, and what

428
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: what did you plan on doing. I was gonna play

429
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: as long as I possibly could. And uh, my my wife, Teresa,

430
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: and I got married in July after my senior year,

431
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: and then in August we left for Switzerland, UM and

432
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: I played professionally over there for for a year. UM

433
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Speaker 1: And while we were there, we found out we were

434
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Speaker 1: expecting our first child, Nick and UH, I think my

435
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: wife made it pretty clear that the baby was going

436
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Speaker 1: to be born in the United States with or without me.

437
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: So I embarked on a on a coaching career. I

438
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: was fortunate. I worked for a guy that you'll you'll

439
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: remember the name Van Coleman, who has run scouting services forever.

440
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: Uh I worked for Van in the summertime with his camps.

441
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: He had a UH some camps he called Future Stars

442
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: at the time, which were attempting to attract the top seventh, eighth,

443
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: and ninth graders in the country to come to these camps.

444
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: So I was recruiting for that and helping him run

445
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: his camps. UM And through that process, uh I was

446
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: able to meet rich Glass at the University of North

447
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: Dakota at one the events. UH and he was looking

448
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: for an assistant, a young guy from the Midwest that

449
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: could coach big guys, and I was I was fortunate.

450
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: He split his position into a twenty five dollar position.

451
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: He decided to hire two guys at twelve five each.

452
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: So that made me part of the candidate pool because

453
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: nobody else wanted it. Who is the other system, uh

454
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: Tom Stackpool was the He was a g a that

455
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: they moved into that role. So we we split the

456
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: job for a couple of years and then UH coach

457
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: Stack moved on and I got all twenty five thousand

458
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: dollars my last three years. Okay, So North Dakota is

459
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: in Grand Forks. Okay, what is paint picture of what

460
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: Grand Forks was like in the in the nineties. It's cold, Yes,

461
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: it was cold in the nineties and still cold today.

462
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: It was. It was a great opportunity for me. Rich

463
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: Glass gave me uh a ton of responsibility at twenty

464
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: four years old, let me make my own mistakes and

465
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of grow on my own. Gave me a lot

466
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: of coaching responsibility. He was next level with his relationships

467
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: with players, very creative, offensive mind. So it was a

468
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: perfect person for me to learn from. Uh. I spent

469
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: a lot of my time with recruiting at the division

470
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: two days. Back then, you didn't have any recruiting rules. Um,

471
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: so when you leave Grand Forks, it takes you five

472
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: hours to get the civilization. So uh, once you take off,

473
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably recruit for a week to ten days.

474
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Speaker 1: So I did a lot of that, um and we

475
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Speaker 1: were able to you know, we had five really good teams,

476
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: five n C double A tournament teams, uh during my

477
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: time there, and uh, you know that was able to

478
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: propel me to the Wayne stage a well. Twelve five

479
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: where you where you living? What's that when you're making

480
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: twelve five where you're living in Grand Forks? We were

481
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: living in a pretty cheap apartment. Uh. My wife was

482
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: obviously working to keep us. Uh, she was the breadwinner

483
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: back then. So but it it allowed me to do

484
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And uh, you know, at

485
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: least start my career. I was you know a lot

486
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: of guys have to start as a graduate assistant or volunteered.

487
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: I was fortunate, uh to be able to get a

488
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: good start and get into coaching right away. So you

489
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: mentioned Wayne State, How did how did you? How did

490
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: the job happen? How the whole thing happened. Yeah, I

491
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: also coach Ben Jacobson in North Dakoch, one of our

492
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: mutual good buddies. Uh. He was a freshman when I

493
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: took that job, so we kind of grew together. And

494
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: then he was a student assistant my fifth year. Um,

495
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: you know the Wayne State job just uh, you know,

496
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Speaker 1: I was fortunate or not? I mean for you to

497
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: Wayne State when you like, if I would have told

498
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: you when you were coaching Ben way back then that

499
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: here he's gonna coach for fifteen twenty years at Northern Iowa.

500
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: Be as respected a guy that would you? Did that

501
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: make sense to you? Then? He always had a great

502
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: feel and understanding for the game and was was quiet

503
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: in his own way, kind of like he is today

504
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: still but also connected with everybody on the team like

505
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: you maybe didn't see it at just but in the

506
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: locker room and off the floor, like he was connected

507
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: to everybody and everybody respected him. Um, and he actually

508
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: worked for me. A lot of people forget this, and

509
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't put it on his resume. He was my

510
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: g a for like two weeks at Wayne State. He

511
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: came down there. We had a hell of a time

512
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks and then the job opened

513
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: back there. Uh, and you know then he he uh.

514
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: I know, we'll talk probably about North Dakota State later,

515
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: but he he actually left North Dakota to come to

516
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: be my assistant, um at North Dakota State, which is like,

517
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, going from Duke to Carolina, it was it's

518
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: not something that anybody does, but uh, we shared a

519
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: hotel room, a bunch on the road recruiting him when

520
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I was at Wayne and he was at North Dakota,

521
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: and you know, he said, Hey, if you ever get

522
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: another job, give me a call. I'd be interested coming

523
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: to be your assistant. So, uh, when I when I

524
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: got the North Dakota stage job, I called him. I said,

525
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: did you say any job, because I'm going to Fargo,

526
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: and uh, he ended up doing it and it's been

527
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: uh it's been obviously a great ride for him ever since.

528
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Speaker 1: So you get to Wayne and you're in your twenties, right,

529
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: and you've coached, you've done some stuff. How did you

530
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: decide how did you put together staff? First of all,

531
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: how does that even work? Away? At Wayne State? Well,

532
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: I hired Rico Priquet. Rico was my uh he played

533
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: for US at at at North Dakota. UM. And then

534
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: Rico ended up replacing me at Wayne when I left,

535
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: and now Ricos an assistant coach for Ryan Williams with

536
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: the Colorado State women's team. UM. They're good, by the

537
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: wayst of them last year really good. Yeah he you know,

538
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: so I knew Rico, you know, a great personality, great demeanor,

539
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: great with players. Um. And then at my first year,

540
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: I actually hired my younger brother Marty as our graduate assistant. Uh.

541
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: And that was it. We went to work with that group. UM,

542
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: and you know, tried to put together a team and

543
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: that that first team we had inherited a group that

544
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: went seven and twenty five the year before, and we're

545
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: able to go to fourteen and thirteen that first year.

546
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: And that that group, who I'm still really really close

547
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: with even though I only coached him one or two years. UM,

548
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: they really set the tone and allowed us to create

549
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: a little momentum in recruiting to go get some guys

550
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: and and turn that program around. How did you play,

551
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: because people who have followed you when you're at Northern Iowa, Uh,

552
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: you played slower, You ran great sets, but it was

553
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: it was it was a completely interface now Craton, I

554
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: think you guys are the best offense in the country.

555
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: Fun to watch, wasn't not fun to watch previously? Just

556
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: different right that you've you're playing small, You're shooting a

557
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: ton of threes. Wayne State? How did you play? We

558
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: played faster at Wayne. Uh. You know, the first year

559
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: we controlled a little bit more because our we probably

560
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a uh you know, quite the talent level

561
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: some guys that were really brought in, but we didn't

562
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: have great depth. But as we moved through and had

563
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: nationally ranked teams. Uh, you know, my my third, fourth, fifth,

564
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: and sixth year there we're playing pretty fast. We're shooting

565
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: a lot of threes, um, and you know, it was

566
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: it was a fun brand to watch. We really uh

567
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of captivated that small town for a few years

568
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: with great crowds and great students support. But you know,

569
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: we played pretty fast and pretty free back then. Okay,

570
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: so then you go to North Dakota State. Was it

571
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: just they offered more money, more prestigious program? What was that?

572
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: You know? There was the Northern Iowa job at opened

573
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: two years prior so after my fourth year at Wayne,

574
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: and I was part of the interview process phone interviews,

575
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: and I think I probably got down to the you know,

576
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: six or seven people and I didn't make the cut.

577
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: And in my mind, I thought that was probably the

578
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: one Division one job that I'd have a chance at

579
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: to jump from Division two to Division one. The stars

580
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: really need to align for that to happen, especially back then.

581
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: Uh uh. So I just felt like we've done probably

582
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: about as much as we could do at Wayne State,

583
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: and if I'm going to be a Division two coach,

584
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: let's go somewhere with the resources to win a national championship.

585
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: And obviously it was very familiar with North Dakota State,

586
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: having been in Grand Forks, uh for five years. So

587
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: I went and took that job, and uh obviously it

588
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: ended up being a lot shorter stint than that I

589
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: had planned on when I took it. Well, what is

590
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: that if it happills into McCoys? So what's it? What?

591
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: What is that like to show up at a place

592
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: that you had Again, Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't very

593
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: highly thought of in Grand Forks, but fortunately I hired

594
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: coach Jake and he he became enemy number one. I

595
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: was enemy number uh because he left that situation to

596
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: come and join me and Fargo, and Uh, it was

597
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: a fun year. It was, you know, good to be

598
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: back in the North Central Conference. Iously said, I knew

599
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: all those coaches and had great relationships with those people.

600
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Um And like I said, my intention was to be

601
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: there and try to build something long term. But the

602
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: Northern Iowa opportunity present itself again, so we jumped at that.

603
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: So remind me how did it come open so quickly? Uh?

604
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: Sam Weaver, I think was there three years. Uh did

605
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: not have a lot of success. Uh, and they decided

606
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: to make a change, and UH, you know I was.

607
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: I was just really lucky. Doug Uh the athletic director

608
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: at the time, Rick Hartzel, he was a He was

609
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: a referee. I was still refereeing during that time when

610
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: he was when he was my boss. Um. I called

611
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the guy the name of Jersey Jeremeyer, who was associate

612
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: a D there worked at Iowa. Was the a D

613
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: at case state way back. Uh and asked, you know,

614
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm coming down for the Iowa State High school basketball tournament.

615
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Can you get me in front of heart Sell for

616
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: ten minutes? And and he did. He got a meeting

617
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: set up and I ran over the cedar falls and

618
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: ten minutes turned into two hours. Rick and I had

619
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: a great talk. We really connected. UM. I think I

620
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: shared his vision for the program and it just happened

621
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: to be. Hartzell was a Northern Iowa grad. Dr. Robert

622
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Kube was a president Northern i at the time. Was

623
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: a Northern Iowa grad. And I think they were looking

624
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: for someone familiar with the program to come and turn

625
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: it around, to understand the challenges instead of complain about him.

626
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, this is what the hand we're dealt. We're

627
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: going to do the best with it that we possibly can.

628
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: So UH, you know. Fortunately, UH, I don't know if

629
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Jake's told you this. He was offered the North Dakota

630
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: State job at that time. Uh came into my office

631
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and sat across my desk and wanted my advice. And

632
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will advise you on almost everything, but

633
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: this one has to be your call. Either come with

634
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: me or stay here and be the head coach at

635
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: North Dakota State at I don't know. He was twenty

636
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: seven years old maybe at the time. UM, and he

637
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: decided to come with me to Northern Iowa. And we're

638
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: able to build a really good staff and UM you know,

639
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: gained some momentum relatively quickly. You show up in northern

640
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: Iowa and it's your alla matter. But it had been

641
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: a decade right since kids coached there. Had had you

642
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: been back in between? No, I've been back because you know,

643
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: when you're recruiting at UH North Dakota and Wayne State

644
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: and and and North Dakota State, you know, I I

645
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: recruited the state of Iowa. That's where I was from.

646
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: So any time i'd make a trip back there, i'd

647
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: stay with you know, a buddy of mine, of college buddy,

648
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: or some friends from Cedar Falls and hang there. So

649
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: I had stayed pretty connected to the place, and and

650
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't that far removed, you know, from being a

651
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: player that a lot of the main players in the community.

652
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: From a booster perspective, we're still the same guys. We're

653
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: supporting the program when I played. Okay, So you get

654
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: there and you're like, all right, everybody who's ever played

655
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: at a place has that a vision. I think most

656
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: guys of how they would do it if they were

657
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: in charge. So you get there and what's what was

658
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: the plan? Yeah, I mean it starts with recruiting, right

659
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: and you know, we had a Again, I give a

660
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: lot of credit to the first group. I can't remember

661
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: their record the year before. I think they had won

662
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: six or seven games and we were around five hundred

663
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: again if I'm not mistaken that first year, and it

664
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: was you know, Robbie sever Ding and who was the

665
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: head coach at the University Dubuque now and uh Andy

666
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: Woodley was on that team. And uh, that group just

667
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: they bought in. Uh there buying was next level. Uh.

668
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: We beat Iowa at home that year. They had Reggie

669
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Evans and Luke record, they were ranked in the top

670
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: ten in the country. UM. And again that win was

671
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: able to get us some momentum. Uh from a recruiting

672
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: standpoint that you know, there was hope in sight and

673
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: and as a result, we were able to sign some

674
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: back to back pretty good recruiting classes. And those are

675
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the classes that led us to three n C Double

676
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: A tournaments. And then you know the last class we

677
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: had there was the one that Jake uh you know

678
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: went to the Sweet sixteen with um. Was there a game?

679
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Was that the Iowa game that made people believe like

680
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: there's a because yeah, you have vision for it. You

681
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. You've won previously, but you can't

682
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: just speaking into existence. That's to happen for guys to buy.

683
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: And was it that that first Iowa game? That, Yeah,

684
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: I think that, I think that absolutely was it, Doug.

685
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: And then we started conference play I think four and oh,

686
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: and then we kind of fizzled at the end, uh,

687
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: and I think finished seventh in the valley. We were

688
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: picked ninth or tenth. Um. And then the second year

689
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of young guys. We were I

690
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: think we're a little more talented, but we were young. Um.

691
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: But you could see progress and I knew we were

692
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: moving the right direction. Um. And then you know Eric

693
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: truck Crawford transfers in. Uh. I think he played for

694
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: Deckage at Bowling Green maybe uh. And you know he

695
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: was him and Ben Jacobson next each other. Ben Jacobson

696
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: the real player, not Ben Jacobson the coach now, but

697
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: you know those two just you know, Ben Jacobson another

698
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: one of my guy, the real Ben job. Yeah. But

699
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, those guys were terrific. We had good you

700
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: know post play with David Gruber, Matt Schneiderman and then

701
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: Grant Stout and Eric Coleman. Like really Chris Foster who

702
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: we just played, who coaches Drewry that we just had

703
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: an exhibition with. He was one of the point guards

704
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: on those teams. So we had a good group and

705
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch him kind of grow in

706
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: front of our eyes. And you know, we're able to

707
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: get the three straight n C Double A tournaments. Your

708
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: first n c A tournament, okay, and you look, you've

709
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: been doing this a long time at that point in time,

710
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, probably a little bit more than a decade.

711
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: But she also played and had played an n s

712
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: A tournament. What's that like to to finally be at

713
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: that level at your all mad as well? It's it's

714
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: one of the best memories of my coaching career. Uh,

715
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, to take your alma mateo there. You know,

716
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: Eldon Millard only done it once, um and it was

717
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: the only time in school history. So to be able

718
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: to get back to that stage was pretty cool and

719
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: it was very unlikely. Uh. We lost Chris Foster, starting

720
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: point guard, uh to a knee injury the day before

721
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: our last game in practice. We had to host Southern Illinois,

722
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: who was the league champion, at home. We end up

723
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: winning we win that game, and then we go win

724
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: the conference tournament, um with you know, really a depleted

725
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: roster beat Barry Hinton in in Southwest Missouri in the

726
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: final in overtime in a in a classic game. UM.

727
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: So it was it was really cool and and uh,

728
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, to have your family, My boys weren't you know,

729
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: Uh they were probably in junior high at the time

730
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: and my daughter was small. But to have them as

731
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: part of it, um was pretty cool. And then you

732
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: fast forward to Creighton and Dugs of you know, sophomore

733
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: and we go back to the n C double a

734
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, when the Missouri Valley Conference championship in St.

735
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: Louis with him as a fourth or fifth grader and

736
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: then come back as a sophomore in college and do

737
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: it again. Uh, you know, that's pretty cool stuff for dad,

738
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: It's amazing stuff. Um. How difficult was it to leave

739
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Drawl the moter? It was really it was really challenging

740
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: and difficult, and you know, hard conversation with Rick Hartzel

741
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: because he did so much for me, uh, you know,

742
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity and then helped us navigate and

743
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: and do the things necessary to continue to build the program,

744
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: so it could have some stain power, um, which it

745
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: which it has. Obviously we finished strong and coach Jake

746
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: has really carried the torch since then. Uh. So that

747
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: was a tough conversation, especially you know, going to an

748
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: in state school. But I I had interviewed at Kansas

749
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: State and IWA State. Uh, you know, eighteen hours apart,

750
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: right after we lost to Georgetown in the n C

751
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: Double A Tournament the next day, and um, you know,

752
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: it was a difficult decision to leave, but you know,

753
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: at that point with your family, financially, the difference was significant. Um.

754
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if they're paying me what they're

755
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: paying coach Jacob might still be there, but you know

756
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: he uh, different world. It's a different world and a

757
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: different world. And it allowed me to stay in my

758
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: home state to coach at Iowa State where my family

759
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: could still be a huge part of it. Now. Now

760
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: growing up Okay in Iowa, everybody's a Hawkeye family right

761
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: where you I mean was for you my dad, Yeah,

762
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: my dad was a huge IWA fan, so obviously I

763
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: went against him, and I was an Iva State fan.

764
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: My two older brothers went to Iva State, so as

765
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: a junior high early high school. I remember making some

766
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: trips to Aims and going football games with them, So

767
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: I was probably more of an Iowa State fan than

768
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: I was at Iowa fan. Um. But it was not

769
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: an easy move from not an easy one for my

770
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: dad is Swallow. At the time, you were a and

771
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: I'll use the word victim, and I don't know how

772
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: you had. You were victim basically of what happens now

773
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: in college basketball where and haven Ia State this past

774
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: season when you had the freshman year, you had West Johnson,

775
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: who's an absolute star. Right. You had Mike Taylor, who

776
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: became an NBA point guard. And I remember I think

777
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: his second year I used a juke co kid. I

778
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: think his second year he got in trouble and then

779
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: West didn't come back after second year, went to Syracuse.

780
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: Is a right West played, He West was on the

781
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: all freshman team. Yeah. And then look, we had an

782
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to have Mike Taylor, West Johnson, Craig Brackens all

783
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: on the same team. Uh. And then you know West transfers,

784
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: uh Mike. Um, I have to release Mike in the summertime,

785
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: and you know, now you're kind of starting over. But

786
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, Doug. I also learned a lot during that

787
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: time as well. I probably wasn't doing a great job

788
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: at that point in my career of kind of changing

789
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: with the generational change. Um. You know, I was probably

790
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: coaching that group a little harder than I probably should have.

791
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: UM And and was it was it? Was it how

792
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: you'd always coached? Was it the pressure of Hey, I

793
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: left my alma monor yeah I don't, I don't Yeah,

794
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't think there was any additional press pressure. I

795
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: think it was probably how I how I had always coached.

796
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: But the dynamics of our group were different, and I

797
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: probably didn't appreciate the guys that were uh doing things

798
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: the right way on a daily basis, And they should

799
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: have been rewarded and celebrated because you end up dealing

800
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: with some problems and you spend so much of your

801
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: time if you're dealing with those problems, and and some

802
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: of those were created by me, and and it was

803
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: a terrific, tremendous learning experience for me, and I still

804
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: have some really good relationships with the guys I've coached.

805
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: And and as disappointed as I was in West's decision

806
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: at the time, now that I look back on it.

807
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: I kind of understand why West left, Um. I understand

808
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: where he thought maybe he could find a better fit

809
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And you know, we have reconnected since then

810
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: and we're good and all that stuff. I still talked

811
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: to Craig Brackens and Deyonta Garrett and the whole group.

812
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: But you know, it was a learning experience, and you know,

813
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: let's be honest, I'm lucky I survived it. Um. You know,

814
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches, when you get to that level

815
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: and you have an opportunity, uh at the highest level

816
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work, it's sometimes can be difficult to resurface.

817
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: And I would just force fortunate that Bruce Rasminson gave

818
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: me that opportunity. And you're kind of Dana Altman a

819
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: little bit. There's like a lot of right like he

820
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Kansas State. He was good. Maybe not, he wasn't as

821
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: good as LN you know, and you know Frank obviously

822
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: took them, but he was good. Now they're like, man,

823
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: Dana was really good. We missed Dana and now he's

824
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: become probably he'll end up being in the Hall of Fame,

825
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: and you're on that same track. It's it's just really

826
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: interesting on how so much of it's it's like players,

827
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: it's about fit and Craton has been a place that

828
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: you fit exceptionally well even and you've also survived changing

829
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: leagues is really really hard and your league is really good. Um,

830
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: but it's it's interesting on that. What is it about?

831
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: What was about Bruce that allowed you that made you

832
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: want to leave No Iowa State? But also that's allowed

833
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: you to be successful? Yeah, I mean, Bruce is a

834
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: he's a basketball guy. Um. You know, he coached women's

835
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: basketball and he's from I was well, so there was

836
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: a lot of connections and we got to know each

837
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: other during my time at Northern Iowa. Uh, and obviously

838
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: competed against Dana, always had great respect for what they

839
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: did here. Um, And you know, obviously Dana has proven

840
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: to be one of the best coaches in college basketball.

841
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: But there's a reason that you know, for the twenty

842
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: eight years that Bruce was here, there were two coaches.

843
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, you just you know my guesses and I

844
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: can't speak for Dana, but uh, you know, I've had

845
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: a few opportunities to leave, and at the end of

846
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: the day, you don't leave because of who you work for.

847
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: And and how much you respect him and and how

848
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: much he works to make your job easier. And my

849
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: guess is Dana went through the same process several times

850
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: during his incredible Ryan Creighton. But he, uh, you know,

851
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: he put us in a position to be successful. He

852
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: had a great vision, um, you know for what this

853
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: program could become. And you know, we build a brutal,

854
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: beautiful practice facility long before we there were any whispers

855
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: of us moving leagues. Uh. And had we not done that,

856
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: we would have been in big trouble when we moved

857
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: to the Big East. But he he positioned us for

858
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: success in the future. And um, you know, there's something

859
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: about going to work every day and really enjoying the people. Uh.

860
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, I never felt like I worked for him.

861
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I felt like I worked with him on a daily basis. Um.

862
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: And a lot of times he made you feel like

863
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: he worked for you because he was always asking what

864
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: else he could do to try to help your program,

865
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, always being indebted to him for

866
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: not just the opportunity, but uh, you know, really backing

867
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: up everything that he said when we had conversations about

868
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: the job he he he delivered. And then something so

869
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: when Doug was in high school year in Ames, right,

870
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: and he played with Harrison Barnes all you know growing

871
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: up yep, And we I know you've told the story

872
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: of a million times in different ways of asking it,

873
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: but it is interesting, like, uh, coaching your son is

874
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: an interesting aspect. But also you didn't really get to

875
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: coach your son when he was young. But I'm guessing

876
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: he was around campus, is that right? When when you're

877
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: at I was saying, yeah, he'd come, Yeah, he'd come

878
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: over and play, you know, play with our guys, play

879
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: pick up. You know, did you have honestly like everybody's

880
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I think coaches are more honest about their kids. But

881
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: there's You're still a dad, so he's still your kid,

882
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: so you still made What did you think of your

883
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: son when he's in high school? Like, what did you

884
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: legit think he was? I thought he was a really

885
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: good high school player and I and I was confident

886
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: as he got older that he was going to be

887
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: a good college player. I just like probably every other coach,

888
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I just didn't think it would be at a high level. Um,

889
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, he he would come and play with our guys, uh,

890
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: you know at Iowa State as a junior and come

891
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: home and tell me, like, Dad, I can't get a

892
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: shot off against Greig practice. You know, like, you know,

893
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how am I gonna do this? Um?

894
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he just kept getting better and better,

895
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: and you you wondered. You know, he's got the quick

896
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: release in the paint. You know, does that skill transfer

897
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: from high school to college? And then I think a

898
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of NBA scouts were like, does that skill transfer

899
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: from college to the NBA? And you know, Doug's ability

900
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: to finish in the pain is is really really good

901
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: for someone of his size and athletic ability in the NBA. UM.

902
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: And you know, he shot some threes, but Doug did

903
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: shoot one or two threes a game in high school

904
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: and now he's one of the best shooters in the NBA.

905
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: So UM, I don't know that I saw the jump

906
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: coming that he had. He's always had a tenacity, He's

907
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: always had a great feel of where to be and

908
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: and you know, when to cut and reading the defender. Uh,

909
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: he was just so skinny at the time. I didn't

910
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: I didn't project him as a power five player, and

911
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: I also didn't really want him to bring him into

912
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of the storm that was going on with my

913
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: job at I would stay. You know, he would have

914
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: been a freshman, uh, you know, my fifth year. Had

915
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: we not one, I was probably gonna lose my job.

916
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: And I really didn't want him to be part of that. Um.

917
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: I wanted him to kind of go do his own thing,

918
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: and and you know, he settled on on going to

919
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: play for coach Jake, which at the time we thought

920
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: was both the best thing. So, so you you get

921
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the job, and did you call Jaco immediately? Did you

922
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: have him called like, how do you how did you

923
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: do it? Well? We, you know, uh we we kind

924
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: of had a I kind of had to call a

925
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: family meeting that Saturday night and tell him what was

926
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: going on. And then Sunday, after I met with Bruce. Um.

927
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: You know, Doug came to me that night said, Dad,

928
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: if you know, if you're going to go to Craton,

929
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: I want to play for you. You know I don't

930
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to play against your teams twice a

931
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: year and maybe in the conference tournament. He said, if

932
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: if you were at Northern Iowa and or if I

933
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: was in Northern Irelan and you were at Iowa State,

934
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: we might have to play once a year and we'll

935
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: deal with that. But um, so we called coach Jake

936
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: and and obviously you know he he gave it the blessing. Um.

937
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: And you know I've told him since anyway, he'd have

938
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: made Doug play defense, and who knows what Doug would

939
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: have become. I just let you know, I put Doug

940
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: on the worst offensive player and made sure he didn't

941
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: follow anybody and kept him on the floor. So, uh,

942
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: you know, it all worked out great. Do you take

943
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: the Creighton job? And I don't want to say one

944
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: eighty that's not fair, but there was definitely a freeness

945
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: to how you coached and how your team's played. And

946
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you were probably grinding the earlier Iowa

947
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: State teams a little. It was Eric, did you meet

948
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: with your staff and go, hey, fellas, we're going back

949
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: to the Wayne State days. Fellas were playing fast? Was

950
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: it something just internally? Was that somebody you talked to,

951
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: because it was a definitive change in that your teams

952
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: became arguably the most dynamic offensive teams in the country

953
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: From the second you it felt like you got Toma. Yeah,

954
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, the first year we were probably similar to

955
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: how we played at Northern Iowa and I was stayed.

956
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: We had a bunch of seniors, uh you know, Caleb Corver,

957
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: Kenny Lawson, Wayne Reynolds, Darryl Ashford, Antoine Young was was

958
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: a junior UM. And then we had a bunch of

959
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: freshman uh Dougs class. Uh you know, uh Ethan Roggy

960
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: was red shirted in that class. Johannes Manigat was a

961
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: freshman UM. So we make the We have a decent year,

962
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: I think we finished in the middle of the of

963
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: the valley and then we make the c I t

964
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: R c B I I think it was at the

965
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: time the one where you played two out of three

966
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: for a champion UM. But we lost in the first

967
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: round of the valley tournament. And at the time, you know,

968
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: the valley tournaments a week before everybody else. So we

969
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: have ten days of practice before the cb I starts.

970
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: Well you can imagine the motivation and your guys prepared

971
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: to play for the CBI. So we set up really

972
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: which was a seven game series between the seniors and

973
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: all these young guys, and I just decided with the

974
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: young guys, we're gonna play fast, We're gonna let them

975
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: fly it up and down. We are gonna attack in

976
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: every possible way. UM and I really liked it. It

977
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: fit Doug a fit Managa and fit Roggy, the Austin Chapman,

978
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: the point guard that we had come and Antoine Young

979
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: was really good in it at that time. UM. So,

980
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: as we prepared for this CBI, we started playing a

981
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: little faster, and as luck would have it, it was

982
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 1: either the first st I think it was a second round.

983
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: We played Davidson in the in the second game, and

984
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: Bob McKillop did as good a job of transition offenses anybody,

985
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: and I think the score was fifty four to forty

986
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: eight at halftime and we won like a hundred and

987
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: two to ninety six. And that allowed me preparing for

988
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: Davidson to watch their transition game and then playing against him.

989
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Then I took a deeper dive in the offseason into

990
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: what they were doing and how they were doing it.

991
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: And that's how it kind of all evolved. Um was

992
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: because of the CBI tournament. We just decided to come

993
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: up with something that would be fun to keep the

994
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: guys excited for a week of practice. UM and I

995
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: really liked what I saw, and I kind of enjoyed it,

996
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: and uh, you know the rest of his kind of

997
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: history were taken it from there. Yeah okay, but and

998
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: you've never really done the victory lap. Right. But year

999
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: two of Craton you go and win twenty nine games, right, Like,

1000
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: this wasn't a hey, you know, year four, year five

1001
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: slow build. It was from that moment on it felt

1002
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: like the whole thing changed. What's that? What's that like

1003
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: for you? Kind of personally emotionally too, because because look,

1004
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: coaching how a team plays, it does reflect the coach.

1005
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: And you were under fire at at I was saying,

1006
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: You're like, look, I just want to Northern Al. I

1007
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing here, right, So it becomes very personal.

1008
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: People's breaking down what you're doing right, what you're not

1009
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: doing right now? Oh, you've got his kid playing for him?

1010
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: You want twenty nine games in your second year? It

1011
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: was like that, um personally for you? What what? What? What?

1012
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: What emotions did that spark? Yeah? I mean it took

1013
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: a while for me to kind of grow comfortable. Number one,

1014
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: it's a fun system to coach. It's you know, you say,

1015
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch. It's fun for me to watch

1016
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: and practice every day when it's cooking and we're flying

1017
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: it up and down. It's a lot of fun. And

1018
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: guys say they want to play fast until you make

1019
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: him play fast, like it's hard to play fast and

1020
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to do what we do. Um. But I

1021
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: had to learn to kind of let go of the

1022
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: of the control center. You know, coaches their control freaks,

1023
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: so to speak. And when you're playing fast, you you've

1024
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: gotta there's going to be more mistakes. You can't ask

1025
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: him to be on attack, an attack, attack, attack, and

1026
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: then not expect that once in a while, we're gonna

1027
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: throw it into the stands. It just happens. And I

1028
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: had to learn that and I had to be okay

1029
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: with that, and I think it it taught me maybe

1030
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: to allow guys to play through mistakes a little bit more,

1031
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: which is which is at the end of the day,

1032
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: I think even more than shooting the shots that they

1033
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: want to shoot, I think players want the ability to

1034
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: play through a mistake and know the coaches got their

1035
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: back and you know, go ahead and roll it back

1036
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Um. So that was a fun

1037
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: year for us, and obviously Doug had an incredible sophomore

1038
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: year or so being part of that ride was was

1039
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: really cool. But yeah, it was it was it was

1040
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: It was fun to coach, and you know, that system

1041
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: really fit Doug and Dougs movement off the ball, and

1042
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: we could really get creative with the spaces we put

1043
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: him in. What was the two thousand, two fifteen a

1044
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: year like to go through because you had outside of that.

1045
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: At at Creighton, it's been almost all success stories, right

1046
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: your first year, the first year, but you have one

1047
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: year and you're so attuned success and your son's not there?

1048
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: What what? What was that like for you? That group

1049
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: probably played closer to their potential than any group I've

1050
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: coached here, and you know it wasn't their fault. They

1051
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: were all recruited to play in the Missouri Valley and

1052
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: then for different circumstances, Ethan Roggy ends up red shooting,

1053
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: so he gets a fifth year. Doug ends up coming

1054
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: back for his fourth year, which nobody really thought he

1055
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: was going to. John's Manning was a senior Grant. Gibbs

1056
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: gets a sixth year. So all these guys that were

1057
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: waiting their turn didn't get their turn because everybody ended

1058
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: up still on the roster ahead of them, and now

1059
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, those guys are gone, and now

1060
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: you've got this group that hasn't played a lot. They've

1061
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: played in a secondary roll or a backup role, and

1062
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: now we got to roll this group out to the

1063
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: Big East with really only one year of only we're

1064
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: in the Big East to recruit to the Big East.

1065
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: But they played to their potential. We were in so

1066
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: many close games and I'll never forget it, Doug, And

1067
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: it's what makes create special. We were and eight and

1068
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: league play. We come home to play Butler, it was

1069
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: either a Monday or Tuesday night, eight fifteen start, eighteen

1070
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: thousand people at the game, and I still get goose

1071
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: bumps thinking about walking to and seeing the place jammed

1072
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: and we're O and eight. But our fans understood these

1073
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: guys are playing their tails off, they're fighting. They knew

1074
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: where we were as a program and that this was

1075
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna be a year where we had to kind of

1076
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: develop and and and get through it. And they supported us.

1077
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I think we went four and five

1078
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: or five and four the second half of the league

1079
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: um and got a little momentum going into the next year.

1080
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: But that you know, that group fought tooth and nail

1081
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: in the entire year, you know, you know, Austin Chapman

1082
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: and Will Artino and Ricky Craiklow and every dingman. I

1083
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: mean I remember all those guys. Um, you know, they

1084
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: really fought in a difficult situation. You mentioned eighteen five

1085
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: there every night. It's amazing. I mean it's crazy. And

1086
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: I remember doing early games there and still can be

1087
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: because of the setup of the arena, and I think

1088
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: also because they're actually paying attention to the game. There

1089
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: could be moments where it's super quiet. But how would

1090
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: you explain to somebody who hasn't been to Omaha what

1091
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: you guys are the connectivity between the town and the

1092
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: basketball program. Yeah, I mean I would argue Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville,

1093
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Carolina Duke if they start oh and eight in the league.

1094
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think the place is jammed. I really don't.

1095
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: I just think people jump off the bandwagon that fast

1096
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: and they don't do that here. And it's, uh, you know,

1097
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: we had sixteen thousand for our exhibition against Stewarty the

1098
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: other night. Um, the it's it's a sports town without

1099
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: a professional sports team. Uh so we're it and uh,

1100
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, they've they've supported people in the state of

1101
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: supported supported that Nebraska football through some tough times, and

1102
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: they continue to support it. The sellout streak is intact there. Uh.

1103
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: And that's just the way these people in this state

1104
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: are wired. Uh. They really show up and they're supportive,

1105
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: and they they're educated college basketball fans. They get the game. Um,

1106
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: and it's made it. You know, it's for as a

1107
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: coach when you don't have to try to go on

1108
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: the street and drum up people to come to your games. Um,

1109
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: it's a nice thing to kind of check off your

1110
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: list and you can kind of start at center court

1111
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: worrying about your program and go from there. Like we

1112
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: we we played Crayton and it was any set night

1113
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: whenever my dad was back, and they beat us at

1114
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: it was a MUTI so it was called yeah the

1115
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: municipal or and I mean it was like ten thousand.

1116
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: But that that place is insane, like the people were

1117
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: and we were just we're all like, I had no idea.

1118
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea those places. Um, I was gonna

1119
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: ask this question, but I already know the answer, Like

1120
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: does doesn't And I know Ganzak has never won it,

1121
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: and Butler didn't win it. Um, but you guys are

1122
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 1: better equipped than Butler was to compete at that level

1123
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: right at that time. Facilities that the history of success,

1124
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: and frankly, you've had way more historic success than Gonzaga.

1125
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: So I guess the answer is yes. But isn't the question?

1126
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: Can you win a national title at Creighton? Yeah? I

1127
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: think we can. And you know, when when we were

1128
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: in the Valley, we were aspiring to be what Butler

1129
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: was doing during Brad's run and and uh, you know

1130
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: what Gonzaga did, you know, both both under Munthson and

1131
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: and and then fewy um and you know, and I

1132
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: always felt during those years in the Valley like we're

1133
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: one sweet sixteen away from people really understanding the story

1134
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: of creaton basketball and opening it up some doors that

1135
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: people are gonna go, wow, Really they have that in

1136
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: that town. You know, they get that kind of support.

1137
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, doug success and our success

1138
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: during that time allowed us to open those doors. So

1139
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: when we went into the Big East, I think people

1140
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: had a general idea of what we were about. Um. Unfortunately,

1141
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: we were well equipped that first year, Uh, Doug senior

1142
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: group with him and Gibbs and Roggy and Maniga UM

1143
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: that we were ready to move to the Big East

1144
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: and have some success. I think it was really important

1145
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: that we got off to a good start in the league, UM,

1146
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: and that really helped us. But you know, things are

1147
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: in place that we can you know, you've got to

1148
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: be able to attract talent, right, and I think we

1149
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: can do that. I think we've got a good roster

1150
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: this year that if things go well, we we should

1151
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: be able to, uh, you know, have a heck of

1152
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: a season. But then you get into the tournament. You

1153
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: hope you get the right matchups and you get the

1154
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: bounce of the ball that one game maybe that you

1155
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: have to get through where you don't play great. Um.

1156
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: And you know Kansas did it with us last year.

1157
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: You know that wasn't we We played great against Kansas.

1158
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: Our guys really stepped up, but that wasn't Kansas's best

1159
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: game of the tournament. But they found a way to win.

1160
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: And have to be able to do that usually a

1161
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: game or two in the tournament. UM, And uh, you

1162
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: know we've got to get keep getting to that point

1163
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: and knocking on the door and see what happens. You've

1164
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: done the transfer thing going back Northern Iowa's we talked

1165
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: about before others transferred, you've also been you've had red

1166
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: shirts now and you have guys now they transfer, they

1167
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: play right away. How how how does that change how

1168
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: you coach them because they have to assimilate to your

1169
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: program without really absorbing the culture for a year and

1170
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: and honestly fixing their game for a year. Yeah. You

1171
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean you try to recruit guys that you're pretty

1172
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: sure are going to fit the culture to start with

1173
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: um where where it's a seamless fit, you know, and

1174
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: like Baylor Shireman and Francisco Farrabello. You know, those guys,

1175
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: they're great fits for us. They've they've transitioned and it's

1176
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: been so easy. And the other guys are comfortable with

1177
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: them because they know how to play the game. They

1178
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: share the ball and yeah they can score it, um,

1179
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: but they're also going to make the extra pass. So

1180
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna still attempt to try to continue

1181
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: to build a program. I think the rules are pushing

1182
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: us towards building a new team every year. Uh, and

1183
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight that as long as I can. And

1184
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, I hope to red shirt a guy or

1185
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: to this year, Uh, to kind of continue that to

1186
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: develop guys. You know, we red shirted Mason Miller last year.

1187
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: But it's a unique situation is you know, his mom

1188
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: was a collegiate volleyball player, Mike Miller, great NBA player

1189
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 1: and collegiate players, so they understood where their son needed

1190
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: to grow. So they were on board with that red shirt.

1191
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: And now Mason is is really much more well prepared

1192
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: this year, uh to be part of our rotation because

1193
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: of what happened a year ago with the red shirt.

1194
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: So we're going to continue to try to do that.

1195
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: We'll see if it works or not, whether the rules

1196
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: will dictate otherwise. But um, you know, I just think

1197
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: to grow the culture and continue the culture of a program. Um,

1198
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: you've still got to do it with some guys that

1199
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: are that are long term guys in your program. You've

1200
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: and you've had, you know, you've had an injury here,

1201
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: you've had to not play a guy there, You've had

1202
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: and that's the one thing you still it's really things

1203
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: have to go right, as you said, to win big. Um.

1204
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: But your your use of main like look a stretch

1205
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: for is is understand. But use of small and different,

1206
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: diverse line ups. Do you like, you have a top

1207
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: ten team. You know you're gonna win games, right barring

1208
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: some catastrophic series of injuries. Do you intentionally try different

1209
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: lineups early in the season just to see what it's

1210
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: like or are you a hey, I want to set

1211
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: here's my first five, here's my rotation. What it philosophically?

1212
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: How do you do it? Yeah, we've we've moved guys

1213
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: around a lot this year because this is you know,

1214
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's our best team. I I don't

1215
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: like ever getting into that because we've had some good ones.

1216
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, the Maurice Watson, Marcus Foster, Kyrie Thomas, Justin Patton.

1217
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: You know that kind of team was seven. That was

1218
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: a team of seventeen and one in ranks, seventh in

1219
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: the country until Moe went down with the knee injury.

1220
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: The team that won the Big East championship. You know,

1221
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: Zigarowski hurts his knee with a minute left in that

1222
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: championship game and he would have been out. That was

1223
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: a COVID cancelation year. Even last year, last year and

1224
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: and last year we had a pretty significant injury. And

1225
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: then you know Doug senior year was that was a

1226
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: great team. Uh, this team has more depth than all

1227
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: those And and I say that because not only is

1228
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: their depth, you know, the depth at least to start

1229
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: the years, to bring Sharif Mitchell off the bench, who's

1230
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: a fourth year player in our program. Francisco Farabella, who

1231
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: has played three years for Jamie at TCU, really understands

1232
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: how to play, knows how to win, finished a lot

1233
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: of games for TCU. UM. And then we've got talent

1234
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: upfront with you know, Mason Miller and and and Frederick King.

1235
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: So um, you know I'm comfortable John Christopherus Ben Stoltzberg.

1236
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's guys that can help us and can play. UM.

1237
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: So we've moved pieces around a lot intentionally in practice, uh,

1238
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: just to look at those different lineups, and uh, you know,

1239
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: I like what we see. And then there's not as

1240
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: there's not as much fall off when we go to

1241
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 1: that bench this year, and you know, hopefully we don't

1242
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: have to leave an emhart at Trey Alexander out there

1243
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: thirty four thirty five minutes like we did last year. Still, Hey,

1244
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it and and you know

1245
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: as long as uh, you know, we've got good dudes,

1246
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: on our team and guys that are not only fun

1247
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: to coach, but they're fun to be around. And uh,

1248
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, as long as I can have that, and

1249
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: I've told my staff that, you know, like, as long

1250
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: as we can continue to recruit guys that will coachable,

1251
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: they want to learn, they want to get better, and

1252
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Uh, we can teach him. Uh.

1253
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, we try to recruit unselfishness in the recruiting process,

1254
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: but everybody's got an ego and you you get into

1255
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: a program, and I think when you know, when a

1256
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: bench slots Schultzberg comes in and sees Baylor Shireman share

1257
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: the basketball and how he turns down open shots to

1258
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: get other guys shots, it's a it's it's more powerful

1259
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: than anything that I could say to Ben to watch

1260
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: him and Farabello and Tray Alexander's share the ball. Um

1261
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: that really I think has a huge impact on the

1262
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: young guys that come into our program. Last thing, Um,

1263
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, when you're in Northern I mentioned

1264
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: I remember there's a big Scoring News article on all

1265
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: the different things that you did. They're unique in coaching,

1266
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: and as you said, you changed styles. How do you

1267
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: want people when they see Greg McDermott coaching a top

1268
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: ten team, How do you want them to see you? What?

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Speaker 1: What do you want them to know you and your

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Speaker 1: program represent. I would hope that they would, you know,

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Speaker 1: be on the basketball port part. I would hope they

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Speaker 1: would see the interactions between myself and and and my

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Speaker 1: players and and how that goes during the course of

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Speaker 1: the game. I'm not I don't yell and scream, and

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Speaker 1: I can wake a guy up if he's being lazy,

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Speaker 1: but you know, that's just has it. That's not my

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: style anymore. And and probably even more importantly, the way

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Speaker 1: the guys interact with each other. Um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think I think some coaches, and I think it's because

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Speaker 1: of the inherent pressure of our jobs. I think they

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01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: coach the joy right out of the game. And these

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Speaker 1: guys all started playing the game because they love the

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: game for the same reason I started to play it

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: in the same reason that you started to play it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And as I've gotten older, I probably look back and

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Speaker 1: I probably at times in my career, uh, there was

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: so much on my shoulders that I forgot to make

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01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: it fun for the guys that are playing for me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm to the point in my career now that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure. Yeah, we have a responsibility to win.

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Speaker 1: We have eighteen thousand in the stands. They expect us

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Speaker 1: to be successful, but we don't need to bring that

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Speaker 1: pressure into our practice facility. We can have fun. We

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01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: can laugh at each other, we can laugh at ourselves, um,

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: and we can have a good time while we do

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Speaker 1: all this. So, uh, you know, when I'm decided to

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Speaker 1: be done with all this, that's I'm gonna leave a

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Speaker 1: happy guy because I've enjoyed what I what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that the guys that play for us

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Speaker 1: enjoyed as well. I know you have to run, but

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you said, I'm going to fight this

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Speaker 1: building a new team every year. Okay, So I put

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: you in charge, Okay, because that's what everybody every says.

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01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's nobody in charge. Okay, you're in charge, coach.

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: You've coached it all the different D two, low D one.

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Speaker 1: Now you're coaching at the very highest level of Division one.

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01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: Granted small for Jesuit School in oh Maha, but still

1308
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: you're competing with everybody. Okay, what do the simplify it

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01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: for me. How do we make it so that it

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: makes more sense to everybody? Doug, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know that. I mean I I think this is a

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01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:24,839
Speaker 1: new normal. Um. You know, you you've we we've structured

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Speaker 1: it where it's better for the student athletes. And in

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Speaker 1: five years from now, will all this transferring be better

1315
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Speaker 1: for the student athletes? I don't know that we know

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Speaker 1: that for sure. I think a lot of transfers are

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01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: for the right reasons and for good reasons. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: it makes me sick to my stomach when I hear

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Speaker 1: that three or four kids that enter the transfer portal

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Speaker 1: didn't find a place to play. Uh. That that's troublesome

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: to me. But you know, we're in a world of

1322
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Speaker 1: n I L and profiting off your name, image and likeness,

1323
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: and uh, I think everybody's going to just kind of

1324
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Speaker 1: see and and sit back and see where it goes. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I wish I had the answers. But

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Speaker 1: it's still a great game, and it's and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's more an there's great anticipation for the

1328
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: start of college basketball season every single season. So UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, as as long as you know, we can maintain,

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Speaker 1: at least in our program, uh, an element of unselfishness

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Speaker 1: and and you know, celebrate your teammates success. Don't don't

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Speaker 1: hang your head because your day wasn't perfect. Um. Then

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Speaker 1: I think the game will be fun and it will

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Speaker 1: be enjoyable for people to watch, and at least I

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Speaker 1: hope we can do our part. I only tell your

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Speaker 1: high school coach instilled you something which I have found

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Speaker 1: as a person who's more observed you. That's you're the

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Speaker 1: same guy now as you were at Northern and you've

1339
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: always been the same guy. You know, to your team's Obviously,

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Speaker 1: everybody loves the way your teams play. I can't wait

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: to see them play this year. More importantly, I really

1342
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Speaker 1: appreciate the consistency of human being that you've always been

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Speaker 1: and I look forward to talking more about team this year. Well,

1344
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Speaker 1: I have an eighty eight year old father that's still

1345
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Speaker 1: alive that would have a one sided conversation with me

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Speaker 1: if I was anything other than that. So I think

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01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: you uh, you become uh, you know what you were

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Speaker 1: allowed to do when you were growing up in the

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Speaker 1: in what you were taught in your house, and obviously

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Speaker 1: my parents uh uh it was pretty simple that you

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Speaker 1: treat people in the right way and and uh I've

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Speaker 1: tried to instill that my own family, and he was

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Speaker 1: still in your teams as well. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time. I really appreciate it. Great catching up Doug.

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Speaker 1: Well that I mean, if if you don't want to

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: watch his team's played, you don't have a better appreciation

1357
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Speaker 1: with a man that calls the signals and that has

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: built this program. I think you're not really paying attention.

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Speaker 1: You're not really paying attention. My thanks to Grey m Germany.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that team played. You've never

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Speaker 1: been to Omaha and watched the game like it's crazy

1362
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Speaker 1: every night, every seat packed ready to go. They'll be fun. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Big East is gonna be a great league. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about it as we see more of their

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Speaker 1: teams play. A reminder, The Doug Gotlip Show is daily

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Speaker 1: three to five Eastern time. And then we have an

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Speaker 1: our podcast. I don't know if I'm supposed to prove

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Speaker 1: promote my other podcast on my podcast, but it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: You'd like like unadultered, unfiltered sports talk. I do an

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Speaker 1: hour daily. It's called in the Bonus because we do

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Speaker 1: it live right after the five eastern two Pacific our um.

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Speaker 1: It's called in the bonus, But just listen to Doug

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Speaker 1: Outleap Show. I Heart Radio app is the easiest way

1374
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: to get it, or wherever you download this podcast. Just

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: to point a Part two in Part three are gonna

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Speaker 1: drop very very soon. My appreciation continues to grow for

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Speaker 1: Crayton and all those people that helped set that up.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. I'm Doug got leave business all the