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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Caddy arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and he Armstrong and Yeddy. Good morning, Kansas City. Let's

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Speaker 1: take OK today, let's today is Today's.

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Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Full disclosure to the whole world?

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Speaker 1: Guy, guy O? When I wet myself? What what is

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Speaker 1: happening there? What was that? Can somebody get me some

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Speaker 1: paper towel? I went to U.

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Speaker 2: That is the trailer from the new Stephen Spielberg UFO movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh, what's a UFO thing? And that's what caused you

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Speaker 1: to lose control of your bowels.

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Speaker 2: It's too scarry, weird sounds freaked me out.

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Speaker 1: You kept your bowels intact, you held your mud, but

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Speaker 1: your bladder gave way. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, the great Stephen Spielberg has turned his attention

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Speaker 2: to a scary UFO movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait. I might go to the theater.

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Speaker 1: That could be good. Cool? My son, is I'm used

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Speaker 1: to that sound? Katy is freaking out? Would you knock

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Speaker 1: it off? Like chills down my spine?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: It was horrible? Did you watch Stranger Things? Katie? I

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Speaker 1: forget afe you. I watched the first season and then

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Speaker 1: it okicked me. Okay, so you didn't make it far

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Speaker 1: enough to these doglike creatures that eat people and rip

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Speaker 1: their throats out. That's in season two. I guess my son,

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Speaker 1: my youngest, is making his way through it because he

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Speaker 1: heard all the good reviews of season five, so he

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Speaker 1: decided to try to catch up, and so he's really

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Speaker 1: into it. Lots of scary music like that, and creepy

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Speaker 1: things happening and whatnot. There are plenty of actual scary

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Speaker 1: things happening in the world, like the war between Russia

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine and where are we on the peace process? Well,

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Speaker 1: before I get to the New York Times article about it,

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Speaker 1: this is Mark Alprin's summary today and his news roundup.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine is in line to get much more robust security

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Speaker 1: guarantees that were in the first drafts of the peace

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Speaker 1: plan putin gets a lot of land bragging rights and

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Speaker 1: a return to the Community of Nations sort of. Everybody

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Speaker 1: is tired of war Europe now believes that Trump isn't

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Speaker 1: bluffing and that this is the final act. Okay, that

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Speaker 1: this is the final effort by Trump, then he's going

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Speaker 1: to wash his hands of if it doesn't go anither.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem though, as the New York Times points out,

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Speaker 1: Ukraine plan calls for enhanced military with US and European backup. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's the headline. The sub headline headline is the latest

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Speaker 1: proposal is designed to deter future Russian aggression. But Russia

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Speaker 1: is not part of the talks and has shown little

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Speaker 1: willingness to negotiate. Russia isn't even part of these talks

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Speaker 1: and has shown no indication zero. As I read the

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Speaker 1: full article and they get to later, Putin's made no noises,

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Speaker 1: you know how often be well, we're willing to take

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Speaker 1: a look at that, or this is a proposal that

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Speaker 1: you know, there are kinks to work out. But we

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Speaker 1: believe no zero, He's made no noises whatsoever that he

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Speaker 1: has any interest whatsoever in giving on any of these issues.

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Speaker 2: So what are we talking about? This is insane. It's

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Speaker 2: a certain Major League Baseball owners. There's about to be

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Speaker 2: a huge workstoppage, I think after next season. But it's

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Speaker 2: like the owners have gotten together with the league and

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Speaker 2: the umpires and they've all agreed that the players will

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Speaker 2: play for free after.

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Speaker 1: They've made fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: But the players haven't joined in these talks and have

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Speaker 2: made it clear over and over again they have no

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Speaker 2: interest in anything like that ever, for the rest of

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Speaker 2: their lives. Nonetheless, the negotiations continue.

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Speaker 1: To the New York Times story, American and European diplomats

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Speaker 1: meeting with Ukraine's leaders over the past two days in

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Speaker 1: Berlin have mostly signed off on two documents that outline

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Speaker 1: the security guarantees, the officials said publicly and privately, several

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Speaker 1: European countries agreeing to put troops on the ground. Still,

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Speaker 1: a broad cease fire appears to remain out of reach

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Speaker 1: for the moment, in part because Russia's not party to

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Speaker 1: these negotiations. What the hell are we talking about here?

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Speaker 1: As you just said, what are we saying my marriage

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Speaker 1: plan with? What's what's the Nazi chick that's so hot

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Speaker 1: right now? Popular? It's the Nazi the Nazi jens chick. Oh, Sidney,

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Speaker 1: It's like me saying my marriage plans with Sidney Sweeney

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Speaker 1: are remain of reach for the moment, as she has

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Speaker 1: no knowledge that I exist.

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Speaker 2: Or interest in marrying me. I mean, it's the same

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Speaker 2: level of ridiculous. But you keep making announcements about how

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Speaker 2: it's coming along.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, My plans for the wedding are coming along fine.

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Speaker 1: We've now narrated down to us several different caterers and

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Speaker 1: the type of Ringye planned to buy. The negotiations are

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Speaker 1: being held up by the way that she doesn't know

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Speaker 1: I exist, nor has any interest. Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you calling her the Nazi Jean's chick

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Speaker 2: is getting any closer to a marriage either.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Again, Still the ceasefire remains out of reach

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Speaker 1: for the moment, in part because Russia is not party

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Speaker 1: to these negotiations. I don't understand this paragraph. And then

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Speaker 1: it says at the end of the paragraph where they

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, Land this and that, and it

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Speaker 1: says Putin has indicated no flexibility at all on his demands. Again,

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Speaker 1: what is this article about. I'm confused the next paragraph.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've already said about the peace guarantees that

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Speaker 1: the United States and Europe has they're working out. They've

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Speaker 1: come very close to two agreements, the United States and

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Speaker 1: Europe on their peace guarantees for troops on the ground

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Speaker 1: and everything like that. Putin has stated previously he will

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Speaker 1: not accept the presence of NATO, NATO country troops in Ukraine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he's already said that's a no go and has

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Speaker 1: shown no indication of backing off whatsoever. I don't even

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Speaker 1: understand what this article is. I seriously, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: At least they should do us the favor of saying

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Speaker 2: clearly these two proposals all of the Russians have.

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Speaker 1: They kind of made a proposal, but they could say something.

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Speaker 2: Like, clearly, these two proposals have serious areas of conflict

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Speaker 2: and each must be altered significantly before we can talk

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Speaker 2: about an agreement.

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Speaker 1: It's really weird because these are smart people. The negotiators

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Speaker 1: are smart. The people further the writing for the New

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Speaker 1: York Times are smart. They're smarter and more sophisticated than

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Speaker 1: I am. Yet they've written this for the first time

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Speaker 1: in months. European officials said they're working well with American

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Speaker 1: negotiators and President Trump. The big breakthrough is that we

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Speaker 1: and Europe are seeing eye to eye on this. But

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Speaker 1: some European leaders hinted at lingering concerns that all the

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Speaker 1: diplomatic work with the Americans could be irrelevant if the

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Speaker 1: fundamental disputes between Russian and Ukraine cannot be resolved. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you mean the two countries of war, the two countries

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Speaker 1: that are fighting the war. If they don't have any agreement,

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Speaker 1: this will all be meaningless. Yeah. I would agree, and

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Speaker 1: I'm no genius here, but I mean there's.

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Speaker 2: Not no value in the Americans and Europeans working out

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Speaker 2: their differences informing a united front. I mean, obviously that's very,

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Speaker 2: very important, but it just seems like the headlines keep

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Speaker 2: indicating that we're getting closer to an agreement.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the two documents lays out broad principles.

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Speaker 1: They amount to what two American officials and several European

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Speaker 1: diplomats said would be a commitment similar to NATO's Article

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Speaker 1: five guarantee, in which all member nations pledged to come

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Speaker 1: to the aid of any nation that is attacked. So

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Speaker 1: it'd basically be a NATO guarantee for Ukraine if they're

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Speaker 1: attacked by Russia. Again, we the United States of America

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Speaker 1: and our friends are at war with Russia. Russia is saying, However,

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Speaker 1: of course I ain't signing that. Not a freaking chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. This might just be signaling back

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Speaker 2: and forth between the sides.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It all seems very well, very shaky. Doesn't even describe

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Speaker 2: how shaky it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm honestly confused as to what

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Speaker 1: this even is all about. There's mentioned a lot of

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Speaker 1: time and effort. Again, these are really really smart people.

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is no dummy. Donald Tusk poland no dummy

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Speaker 1: that these people aren't getting together taking time out of

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Speaker 1: their lives a week before Christmas because you know, just

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Speaker 1: to go through the motions, they must think it means something.

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Speaker 2: So you and the caterer have finally agreed on the buffet,

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Speaker 2: moving you closer to a final agreement with Sidney Sweet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right again, Sidney Sweeney yet to be aware

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Speaker 1: of the existence, said the sixty year old bald manor or.

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Speaker 2: More notably, has utterly and unequivocally rejected the idea over

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Speaker 2: and over again.

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Speaker 1: You're right. My description is not close to right. She

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Speaker 1: is aware of me and has said you she's done

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Speaker 1: he restraining order on multiple occasions and said you right.

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Speaker 1: There seems to be no budging on her feelings about

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Speaker 1: mister Armstrong. However, a caterer has been decided upon.

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Speaker 2: Mister Armstrong has announced a new development in the search

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Speaker 2: for a florist Okay, great super as being a Warren Peace.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned this quite early in the show today that

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Speaker 2: President Trump yesterday ordered a total and complete blockade of

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Speaker 2: all sanctioned oil tankers entering and leaving Venezuela and a

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Speaker 2: major escalation of his pressure campaign against the country's leader,

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Maduro, the kami kleptocrat. Does Venezuela have the cajones

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Speaker 2: the ill advised cojones? If I might, you can't have

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Speaker 2: ill advised balls. I mean, that's just that's a bad metaphor.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I felt like mine were ill advised. They certainly

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Speaker 2: Is it even possible that the Venezuelans would like fire

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Speaker 2: on the US?

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Speaker 1: Say, now, you're not grabbing our tankers. That wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't just, that wouldn't be having cojones. That'd be stupid, right,

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Speaker 1: That'd be suicide. So clearly we are trying to squeeze

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Speaker 1: their oil revenue. Because every dictatorship democracies too. But dictatorships

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Speaker 1: loyalty's that's it. And if we can choke off their

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Speaker 1: but theuro's the guy in the past. The US is saying,

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Speaker 1: if we're just half reasonable, the party can get going again.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we talked to the Americans. Is that what they hoped?

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Speaker 1: You suppose breaking news? We've settled on a limousine company.

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Speaker 1: Oh get us from the wedding to the dinner afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Miss Sweeney still maintains that she'd sooner be dead than

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Speaker 2: marry mister Armstrong. But the limousine company is said to

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Speaker 2: be a reputable one four point eight stars on Google.

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Speaker 1: We're helping raise money for scouting, in particular that your

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Speaker 1: kid can be in Scouts if the thing that's been

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Speaker 1: holding you back is having the money to sign up.

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you more about that coming up, among other things.

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Speaker 1: Stay here, well, guys, It is such a festive time

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Speaker 1: in New York City, isn't the field greats?

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely freezing out there. It is so cold in

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Speaker 3: New York City. On my way into work, I saw

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Speaker 3: a squirrel pouring hot coco on his nuts. It is

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Speaker 3: so cold in New York. I saw Wall Street stockbrokers

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Speaker 3: putting with Zora and Mandani, and I go, wait and

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Speaker 3: say that it's cold.

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Speaker 2: He did booning killing. Okay, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like pouring hot cocoa on his nuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeahs often. I can guess the funny donors like friends

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Speaker 1: of mine? Does this you, Michael, No, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be Michaelangelo was in with fifty dollars. Murcan Mechindo? Angelo?

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Speaker 1: That sure sounds like you. Now you're the one always

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Speaker 1: brings up the Mrkin and the Chindo. Anyway, they're in

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Speaker 1: for fifty bucks to help Scouts or in particular help

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Speaker 1: kids join Scouts, which is what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Go Armstrong e geddy dot com. The donate now button

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super easy to donate. Go to Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: If you want to donate to more people being able

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Jack makes the choice.

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Speaker 2: Why is South Korean fertility so low?

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Speaker 1: And well they're both so good? Or JD.

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Speaker 2: I've made this quote several times great Elvis Costello song,

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Speaker 2: That might just be a reflection of the fact that, yes,

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Speaker 1: Why is Korean men can't satisfy their women's I'm not

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Speaker 2: Korean's work more hours per year. It's about a thousand more.

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Speaker 2: It's about thirty well, I'm sorry, it's about one hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty hours more a year than Americans and about

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Speaker 2: four hundred and thirty more.

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Speaker 1: Than Swedes, for instance.

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Speaker 2: How many makes it harder to balance work and motherhood

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Speaker 2: or work or anything else.

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Speaker 1: How many more hours a year than Americans. Uh three oh,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty. Wow. Yeah, so more than two

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Speaker 1: hours a week more. Ah yeah, yeah wow.

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Speaker 2: There is intense pressure from employers for women not to

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Speaker 2: have children. In surveys, twenty seven percent of female office

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Speaker 2: workers report being coerced into signing illegal contracts promising to

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Speaker 2: resign if they become pregnant or get married. Korean work

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Speaker 2: culture is notoriously sexist, ah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But this is different than the fact that they're not

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Speaker 1: having kids. In like Italy or France, where you have

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Speaker 1: so much time off and you could say, well, you

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Speaker 1: you want to you know, you want to vacation and

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Speaker 1: eat and blah blah blah and self indulge and you

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Speaker 1: don't have kids. South Korea, they're working their asses off

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Speaker 1: and not having kids. Yeah, it is interesting.

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Speaker 2: You're right, these these facts about South Korea cannot be

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Speaker 2: applied universally.

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Speaker 1: I mean the insane work culture. So you can have

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Speaker 1: more studying when you're a child, but say you can

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Speaker 1: have more stuff the two of you or the one

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Speaker 1: of you with no kids.

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Speaker 2: They mentioned that there's intense competition for university places. Cram

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Speaker 2: schools and private tuition are popular and many low fertility

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Speaker 2: Asian countries Taiwan, Singapore, China, they mentioned, but South Korea

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Speaker 2: is even worse. Almost eighty percent of children attend a hagwan,

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Speaker 2: which is a type of private cram school operating in

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Speaker 2: the evening and on weekends.

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Speaker 1: Almost eighty percent.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, South Koreans poured billions of dollars

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Speaker 2: into the shadow education system. They're just absolutely obsessed with

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Speaker 2: material success.

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Speaker 1: How happy are they? Oh? Miserable. They've got the highest

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Speaker 1: suicide rate in the world. I think, Wow, that's something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's giant decline in marriage. You know what I

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Speaker 2: think is underappreciated. And I think about this a lot,

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Speaker 2: and I don't I don't think people feel it.

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: Let me put it this way. I have trouble running

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Speaker 2: into people who see it the same way I do.

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Speaker 2: Not that they disagree, they just haven't thought about it.

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Speaker 2: Cultures are like individuals. They can get diseased. And just

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Speaker 2: because a culture is something doesn't mean it should be

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Speaker 2: something or that there's nothing. I mean, there's little you

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Speaker 2: can do as an individual about it. But it's you've

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Speaker 2: got to look at your culture like you're in a

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Speaker 2: group of five friends, and your five friends make a

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Speaker 2: terrible decision about what they're going to do. It's like

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Speaker 2: the proverbial if your friend's jumped off bridge, You've got

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Speaker 2: to look at yourself. Separate from your culture. Cultural going

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Speaker 2: around with the cultural going along with the cultural current

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Speaker 2: needs to be a choice.

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Speaker 1: We started the show by talking about living. What the

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Speaker 1: hell that's funny? I couldn't remember the term awaredly in

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Speaker 1: the moment. What's the mindfulness? Mindfulness right? Mindfully participate in

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Speaker 1: your culture mindfully? Yeah, se I made this joke kind

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Speaker 1: of a couple of weeks ago on our friend Tim,

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Speaker 1: who's a famously childless hit him and his wife, two

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Speaker 1: very smart, successful people who have no interest in having kids.

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Speaker 1: Is just you know, how upset can you be about

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Speaker 1: kids that aren't born? I mean, you'd have to care

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Speaker 1: about your culture carrying on, and that's not the same

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Speaker 1: as like a lot of what you and I do

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Speaker 1: probably is because we got kids out there that are

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Speaker 1: going to have to live in this country, and so

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Speaker 1: I care a lot. The direct motive goes, it's a

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Speaker 1: hell of a mode of It's one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: motivators in world history. So nobody knows what it's like

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Speaker 1: to have a society where you don't have kids, where

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Speaker 1: you feel like, well, I'm dead, What the hell do

509
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Speaker 1: I care what happens to this country or everybody else

510
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Speaker 1: is going to be dead too, Oh none of my

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Speaker 1: friends have kids. I mean, it's it's pretty hard to

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Speaker 1: get super motivated to care about what the country's going

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Speaker 1: to be like in fifty years if I'm gone and

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Speaker 1: none of I've got no offspring. So interestingly, back to Korea.

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Speaker 2: Briefly, like China, they decided in the very early sixties,

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Speaker 2: as a new regime came to power, that families were

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Speaker 2: way too big. There are too many people, and shrinking

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Speaker 2: family sizes would fuel economic development by freeing up more

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Speaker 2: women to work and decreasing the number of dependents per worker.

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Speaker 2: And so they had all sorts of you know, societal

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Speaker 2: pressure and tax breaks and slogans have few children and

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Speaker 2: bring them up well. Later posters encourage parents to prioritize

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Speaker 2: quality over quantity, with mottos such as let's have two

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Speaker 2: children and raise them well or the frantic two children

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Speaker 2: is already too many. And it was absorbed into Asian culture,

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Speaker 2: including South Korean culture, and they just stopped having kids.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, but as you point out, that ain't the

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Speaker 2: story in Italy, for instance, Germany, the US. It's an

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Speaker 2: interesting phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Got to learn to satisfy your women for.

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Speaker 2: Your women's women's got satisfy you women's A national born

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Speaker 2: lover man.

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Speaker 1: It's obvious. Of course we will finish strong next. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe Bernard Sanders actually did give twenty five dollars

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Speaker 1: to our charity, which is raising money some more people

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Speaker 1: can join Scouts, because it cost a couple hundred bucks

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Speaker 1: to get your kid into Scouts, and we want everybody

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Speaker 1: who has a kid who wants to get involved so

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Speaker 1: they can get the leadership skills and all that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff to be able to do it. Trying to

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Speaker 1: raise one hundred thousand dollars, Bernard Sanders twenty five dollars.

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Speaker 2: Ard Sanders seven dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's twenty seven dollars now, I get it, okay.

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Speaker 1: Obviously one hundred bucks from Jack's Ukrainian girlfriend appreciate that

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Speaker 1: or did she her? She told me that if I

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Speaker 1: didn't start answering her questions, that our love was going

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Speaker 1: to die, and she was right. Twenty five dollars from

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Speaker 1: Walmart Bathroom Drain Liquors Association. Now it was a target,

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Speaker 1: and was it a story about you're drained to lick you?

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Speaker 1: Was it a story about someone else's kid, or was

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Speaker 1: it a story about my own kid? Your kid is

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Speaker 1: my own kid? Looking the drain at the target? Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's not good. That's right. I turned around and there

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Speaker 1: he was. I think it was Henry's like on his

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Speaker 1: hands and knees licking the drain. It's like one or two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's here's a there's a tip there, Katie. Don't let

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Speaker 1: them out of your sight when they're little. You don't

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Speaker 1: know what they're doing. Do you know me?

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm free range dad. I'm let them get dirty.

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Speaker 2: It's better for their immune system. Black blah blah.

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Speaker 1: I see that. I'm screaming. Ah. He's snatching them up,

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Speaker 1: drawing the line. Yeah, oh my, that's rough.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you tried hard, you could come up

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Speaker 2: with a more disgusting place to lick. But I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be part of that brainstorming session.

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Speaker 1: That's cross. I think at the time that's what we

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Speaker 1: were saying, is like that might be the single worst

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Speaker 1: thing to be hard to beat without way of breaking

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Speaker 1: into a plant or something. Well, and if somebody comes

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Speaker 1: up with it, I don't want to hear it. Joe,

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Speaker 1: they've got some final thoughts Armstrong and Show.

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Speaker 2: Here's your os for final thoughts, Joe Getty, let's get

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Speaker 2: a final thought from everybody on the crew.

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Speaker 1: Mike Lengelow lead us off. Yeah, I just made my

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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars donation to the US. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: an the name listening to CD and staring off while

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Speaker 1: running the A and G Show.

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Speaker 2: So I like it, beautiful, Katie Greener esteemed Newswoman As

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Speaker 2: a final thought, Katie, we have a.

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Speaker 1: New Katie's Corner up at Armstrong Getty dot com as well.

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Speaker 2: a great get. As we say in the business, Jack

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Speaker 2: a final.

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Speaker 1: Thought for us, Yes, we'll get a total for today.

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Speaker 2: So please a little bit a gave whatever you can, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: little or a lot wales My final thought. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: this jack to Jack off the air. I invited the

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Speaker 2: fellows over for a bourbon last night. Anybody who thinks

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Speaker 1: How many bourbons is too many? And how much do

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Speaker 1: you drink at a time?

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Speaker 2: Usually, Well that's the thing. How big a poor are

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Speaker 2: you pouring?

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Speaker 1: like beer.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh morevida. You have a freeer hand. So it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, just over a little ice, several of them.

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