WEBVTT - Lab 028: There’s Something in the Water

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<v Speaker 1>If there's one thing that's happening is Corona's keeping us outside.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I feel safest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely taking more walks.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been bike riding, Oh man, I've been biking, like

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<v Speaker 1>my life depends on it. Tour de France, Tour to

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<v Speaker 1>four ninety five, I'm riding underneath it. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>when people were talking about how the air quality was

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<v Speaker 1>improven because everyone was staying home.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. There were so many things that were

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<v Speaker 2>coming out at the right at the beginning of quarantine

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<v Speaker 2>that was like the air quality in la is the

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<v Speaker 2>best it's ever been, or something like that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my gosh, it's because no one is

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<v Speaker 2>driving around. Everybody was at home, so the air quality

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<v Speaker 2>was better.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Yo, this is a wake up call.

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<v Speaker 1>We're really out here just polluting all over the planet, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't even that was our day to day.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't even think about it. We didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And what it also showed us is that we can

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<v Speaker 2>be doing better. When you know better, you do better.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that we know what it takes, what you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, how are you going to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm t t and I'm Ziah and from Spotify. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Dope Labs. You know what, I've been noticing what

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<v Speaker 2>every time we're go on a walk. So me and

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy we have like this this game that we play

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<v Speaker 2>and we try and spot the rubber gloves or spot

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<v Speaker 2>the mask on the ground. What's not on people? Because

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<v Speaker 2>now that everybody is wearing gloves and masks, now we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a lot of gloves and masks just on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground in the street, in the grass. Like I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a bird packing at a mask the other day and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>We got coronavirus, but then we're also continuing to kill

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<v Speaker 2>the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know where those masks are going to end up.

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<v Speaker 1>We know exactly where they're going, right into the ocean exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's today's topic. We're talking about the ocean and

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<v Speaker 1>specifically how the ocean is connected to the health and

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<v Speaker 1>vitality of our planet because as we all know, we

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<v Speaker 1>could be doing better.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you talk about like there was so many

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<v Speaker 2>things that came out about how many microplastics that we're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to find in the ocean and in the fish

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<v Speaker 2>that we eat that are in the ocean and finding

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<v Speaker 2>all these microplastics because we're not disposing of our plastic

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<v Speaker 2>and our waists properly, Like we know these things already,

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<v Speaker 2>and y'all are throwing your gloves and masks on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much to consider when talking about climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>So why are we only focusing on the ocean?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like people when we talk about climent a change,

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<v Speaker 2>Like people think about you know, emissions from our cars,

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, we want electric cars and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and we think about recycling, reduce, reuse, recycle, but we

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<v Speaker 2>don't talk about the ocean like really at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes it comes up and people are like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the ocean is important, like let's not forget, but then

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<v Speaker 2>we forget about the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It's like out of sight, out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind exactly because most of us don't live on the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's not something that we interact with every day.

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<v Speaker 2>But we do interact with you know, trees, and we

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<v Speaker 2>interact with our cars and things like that. So what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing with this lab today is bringing the ocean

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into the recitation.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, the planet is seventy one percent water. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I learned a lot of stuff as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid about the ocean, and I haven't really brought

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff back to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Forefront of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I know the ocean is all connected and it

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<v Speaker 1>moves water, but I don't really know the significance of

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<v Speaker 1>that why I should care about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know I care, but I don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know the details.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that the ocean affects all things, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but in what way you know? I mean, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>use the We can't cop out and say, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not our area of research, because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like you live here exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, this is my house, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know nothing about the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>What, Yeah, you're gonna find out exactly. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should just start with that baseline assumption. Knowing that the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is over seventy percent water is enough for me

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<v Speaker 1>to know that the ocean is important, and I should

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<v Speaker 1>get down to some nitty gritties. It sounds like we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus a lot on what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>To know, yes, because we don't know enough. And so

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that I want to know is

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<v Speaker 2>how is the ocean affected by climate change. We know

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<v Speaker 2>it is, Okay, I'm not saying that I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that it is. I'm saying, like, in what ways that

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<v Speaker 2>you know we might be missing? Is it affected?

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<v Speaker 3>Help us see our blind spots?

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, yes, I want these blinders off.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you know, people are always saying save the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you save the ocean, you can save the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to draw a line between those dots.

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<v Speaker 1>What exactly about saving the ocean helps me save the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the planet, right?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to know what are some of the

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<v Speaker 2>misconceptions about the ocean, how it affects the world, the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we can do. And I know that there

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<v Speaker 2>are certain people that are disproportionately affected by climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would like to know how, why, and who

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<v Speaker 2>those people are specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot to think about. I think we're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to jump into the dissection.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest for today's lab is doctor Ayana Elizabeth Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is doctor Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. I am a

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<v Speaker 4>marine biologist and a climate policy nerd from Brooklyn, New York.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the goat and she's trying to be modest.

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<v Speaker 3>She's founder and CEO of Ocean Collective.

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean Collective is a consulting firm for conservation solutions that

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<v Speaker 2>are grounded in social justice.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find doctor Johnson at the Nexus of all

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<v Speaker 1>things science, policy and communication. She's always advocating for coastal

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<v Speaker 1>communities and basically figuring out how to solve our climate crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're gonna talk about those solutions in a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but first, let's talk about the ocean. How does the

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<v Speaker 2>ocean work with the rest of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hit some key points, right. I think you have

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<v Speaker 1>to know these things to understand the gravity of why

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean is so important. The scope of the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We tend to think about what's happening right at the

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<v Speaker 1>shore and we think, oh, look there's a huge wave.

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<v Speaker 1>No sea waves in the ocean can move at hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of miles per hour.

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<v Speaker 2>And the ocean, because it's so vast, hasn't been explored

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<v Speaker 2>as some other parts of our universe, like there are

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<v Speaker 2>more extensive maps aps of Mars than our own ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does the ocean move? I think it's really

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<v Speaker 2>useful to imagine the ocean as this huge pump, like

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<v Speaker 2>this big physical pump that's just churning water all around

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<v Speaker 2>the planet. So in the ocean, the ocean that's all

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<v Speaker 2>over the planet, there are these things called gyres, and

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<v Speaker 2>a gyre is any large system of circulating ocean currents,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that they're formed is by the Earth's

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<v Speaker 2>wind patterns and by the forces that make the Earth rotate.

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<v Speaker 2>So on our planet Earth, there are five major ocean gyers,

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<v Speaker 2>the North Atlantic, South Atlantic, Indian, North Pacific, and South Pacific.

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<v Speaker 2>And together these gyers circulate the ocean water all around

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<v Speaker 2>the planet, and the ocean doesn't exist in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>The ocean and the climate are very intertwined.

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<v Speaker 4>When we think about our climate system, it's the ocean

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<v Speaker 4>actually plays a big role. It's not just the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the interactions between the two.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that's easy to forget is that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have some unlimited source of water. The water

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<v Speaker 1>that's on this planet is all we have, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just constantly being recycled. So the water that rains down

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<v Speaker 1>on us has been in the ocean many times before

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<v Speaker 1>it's evaporated into our atmosphere. Then it's precipitated and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes snow or rain, and it's distributed over bodies of

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<v Speaker 1>water or land, and when it's in land, it just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, drains right back down our waterways and basins

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<v Speaker 1>back into the ocean to complete that cycle all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>The water molecules that make up the ocean are constantly

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<v Speaker 1>interchanging with the water molecules that make up our atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 4>So the temperature of the water means a lot for

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<v Speaker 4>the temperature of the air and the weather where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>The ocean has this amazing heat capacity, so it can

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<v Speaker 1>absorb solar energy and then it can release it as heat,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does that vary slowly. So the way I

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<v Speaker 1>think about that is considering, you know, it's a hot

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sunny, hot day, but when you get in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>The water is still cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the ocean has the ability to absorb way more

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<v Speaker 1>heat than the atmosphere around it, right, and because it

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<v Speaker 1>has that heat capacity, it doesn't rapidly heat up and

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly drop in heat in temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine if the heat the ocean can heat up as

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<v Speaker 2>fast as the atmosphere, like the air around us.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't want it. I don't want I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to be boiled like that. You're gonna sou

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<v Speaker 2>vid yourself. So then my next question is how are

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<v Speaker 2>the oceans affected by climate change?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad you asked, because most people don't think

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<v Speaker 4>of the ocean as part of climate change, as part

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<v Speaker 4>of the climate system.

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<v Speaker 1>So t t's just explained about these gyres. We now

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<v Speaker 1>understand how the temperature of the ocean is super important,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is all such a delicate balance for how

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<v Speaker 1>our planet keeps us alive. Any interruption or imbalance or

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<v Speaker 1>skew in one direction of this balance is a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're just going to touch on a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of those examples. There are a few ways the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>is affected, but it's all related to the increase of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean's temperature, and it's like a domino effect or

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<v Speaker 1>a chain reaction that causes a lot of different issues.

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<v Speaker 4>The heat of the water actually drives a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>different things. So you have this cold, dense, salty water

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<v Speaker 4>that then sinks and it drives this sort of conveyor

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<v Speaker 4>belt in the North Atlantic. But if the water doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>get cold enough in northern Europe. Then it doesn't sink

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<v Speaker 4>as fast and sort of the current this conveyor belt

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<v Speaker 4>is slowing down.

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<v Speaker 2>When the ocean water gets warmer, it can cause a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of problems.

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<v Speaker 4>If the water's really warm. My favorite climate scientist, doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Tate Marvel at NASA, she describes a warm ocean as

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<v Speaker 4>hurricane food.

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<v Speaker 1>The atmosphere is always holding water vapor, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>water in a gaseous state, but the atmosphere's ability to

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<v Speaker 1>hold that vapor is related to temperature. Warm air can

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<v Speaker 1>hold more water vapor than cold air can.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think about the summertime and how we only

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<v Speaker 2>talk about humidity in the summer. That's because warm air

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<v Speaker 2>has the ability to trap those water molecules, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what humidity is. That's water in the air. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the winter time we don't talk about that because cold

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<v Speaker 2>air does not do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think about it that way, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the warm air, when that ocean water is evaporating, it

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<v Speaker 1>increases the temperature and humidity of the air around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how whenever they talk about hurricanes, they're always

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<v Speaker 1>showing that you've never seen a hurricane generate overland.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes from the ocean over where we live.

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<v Speaker 4>Right hat this heat and more evaporation and stronger and

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<v Speaker 4>wetter storms become even more dangerous, and that is also

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<v Speaker 4>due to climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>The next thing to understand about climate change affecting the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean is how it changes the ocean's chemistry. We've all

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<v Speaker 1>heard that the warming temperature of the planet is caused

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<v Speaker 1>by greenhouse gases, but those gases are also being absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>by the ocean, and so.

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<v Speaker 4>We've actually changed the chemistry of seawater by burning all

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<v Speaker 4>these fossil fuels, and that is bananas. The ocean is enormous,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've changed the chemistry of the entire ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>The ocean is a carbon sink. That means a place

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<v Speaker 1>where the carbon can just go to basically just go away,

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<v Speaker 1>right if you think about it. The carbon regenerate from

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<v Speaker 1>activities like driving and flying and even exhaling, all that

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<v Speaker 1>carbon has to go somewhere, and so the ocean just

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<v Speaker 1>takes all that excess carbon and through a variety of processes,

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<v Speaker 1>it basically traps it in its depths.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course we've taken it too far. The Ocean

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<v Speaker 2>Foundation says that we're exceeding the ocean's carbon sink capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's like if I let my friend borrow my

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<v Speaker 2>car and I'm like, yeah, that's fine, you can go

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<v Speaker 2>get groceries, and then I find out a week later

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<v Speaker 2>they actually took a road trip across the country and

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<v Speaker 2>now my car is broken down in California. That's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that friend, by the way, that's a different friend, right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>why you're trying to tell me something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is all this excess carbon that we're generating.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the only thing the ocean is absorbing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also absorbing heat.

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<v Speaker 4>And the ocean has also absorbed ninety percent of the

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<v Speaker 4>heat that we've trapped. So the ocean is getting warmer.

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<v Speaker 4>The sea water is, you know, a degree celsius or

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<v Speaker 4>more warmer than it used to be in modern history.

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<v Speaker 4>Warmer water holds less oxygen, and warmer water also stresses

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<v Speaker 4>fish out, so they're like super stressed out and they

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<v Speaker 4>can't get enough oxygen. And it's just a recipe for

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<v Speaker 4>a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you get in the shower and you

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<v Speaker 2>turn around in that hot water touches your back. Oof,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we're doing to the fish.

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<v Speaker 1>They are upset, just as upset as you'd be when

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<v Speaker 1>you take that into account with like the heat capacity

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<v Speaker 1>and how the ocean warms slowly.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if we stop what we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing right now, the ocean is going to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>warm because of past things that we've done and because

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<v Speaker 1>it has that heat capacity.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just slow. So don't be like, oh, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>feel to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me exactly, because people will think a degree is not

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<v Speaker 2>that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>They must not live with anyone else. If you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>fought over seventy four versus seventy five degrees in the

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<v Speaker 1>house date, you don't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to talk to you about the ocean exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Living in the middle of DC, it is a swamp

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<v Speaker 2>here that air needs to be cutting on.

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<v Speaker 1>And so these are all the ways that climate change

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<v Speaker 1>is affecting the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we go back to the metaphor like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you let your friend borrow your car. But I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>good friend. So if I'm the ocean, I'm a good friend,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, hey, I understand like you had places

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<v Speaker 2>you felt like you had to go, I'll let you

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<v Speaker 2>borrow my car again. That's the way the ocean is

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<v Speaker 2>treating us. They are such a good friend that even

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<v Speaker 2>after misusing them and mistreating them, they still going to

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<v Speaker 2>try and help us out.

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<v Speaker 4>There's all these ways the ocean's like out there trying

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<v Speaker 4>to help us, and we just constantly ignore it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just the ocean, you know, when we

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<v Speaker 1>think about all the places we want to go and

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<v Speaker 1>all the greenhouse gases we continue to generate, the ocean's

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<v Speaker 1>doing this job. So are our rivers and streams and

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<v Speaker 1>salt marshes and mangroves. All those things absorb way more

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<v Speaker 1>carbon than like no shade to the trees, But then

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<v Speaker 1>the trees do, okay. So all those areas, those water

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<v Speaker 1>rich areas, they absorb more carbon.

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<v Speaker 2>And another thing that I think that no one really

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<v Speaker 2>knows or thinks about, that we talked about with doctor Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>One of these things that is in the ocean that

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<v Speaker 2>helps with purifying the water and keeping a record of history.

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<v Speaker 2>Men's the kid's favorite late night treat.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah oysters, if you've been out with me and there

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<v Speaker 1>are bi valves on the menu, you already have heard

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<v Speaker 1>this feel, you know, I like the little ecological history

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<v Speaker 1>along with my horse bradish and oysters. Yes, And like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, they're great storytellers. Like, if there's anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to get you motivated, the thing that you're eating,

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<v Speaker 1>do you love that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what if it was no more?

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<v Speaker 4>And there's finally some oysters are getting more respect as

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<v Speaker 4>far as their role in filtering water.

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<v Speaker 3>They are. They're really good, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Fink filtering access nutrients and pollution out of water. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm actually on the board of the Billion Oyster Project

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<v Speaker 4>in New York City. They're trying to replant a billion

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<v Speaker 4>oysters in New York Harbor by twenty thirty five and

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<v Speaker 4>involve a million school students in the process. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they can't swim away, and they're really easy to catch

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<v Speaker 4>and catch them all, so we basically ate them all.

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<v Speaker 1>What people don't realize is that we're at an all

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<v Speaker 1>time low for our oyster populations compared to the estimated

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<v Speaker 1>levels in the early sixteen hundreds. We're at about one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the oyster population we used to have.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was like, we don't have any oysters. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what it feels like, you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying to you, friend. Oh, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is why I didn't know it was so dire. And

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<v Speaker 1>all this tells me is that you haven't been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to me because I tell you this every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I'll just be trying to eat and enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>my cocktail and my oysters.

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<v Speaker 4>Oyster reefs can be an incredibly effective buffer from storms

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<v Speaker 4>and waves because they just like they buffer that energy.

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<v Speaker 4>They kind of like disperse all of that by creating

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<v Speaker 4>all this friction that you know, breaks the power of

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<v Speaker 4>the waves coming ashore. And so restoring oysters is actually

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<v Speaker 4>a really important part of building resilience to climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>So shout outs to oysters for being delicious and historical

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<v Speaker 4>and saving us.

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<v Speaker 2>The oysters are physicists. They're providing a great barrier between

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<v Speaker 2>the ocean and our coastline. It's like putting in a

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<v Speaker 2>like a permeable brick wall where some water will get through,

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<v Speaker 2>but it slows it down because they're taking the brunt

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<v Speaker 2>of the forest. Yes, so they're standing there like no

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<v Speaker 2>limit soldiers and getting whipped up by this ocean and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, that's fine, thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>I have another man. I'm silk the Shaka oyster, which

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<v Speaker 3>one of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely master p Mayer say nanah, no nah.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll be Snoop Dogg when he was on no limit.

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<v Speaker 1>If anybody mess with Snoop Doggie Dog, are.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all gonna save the oysters or what?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't deserve them? We don't deserve these oysters. They

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<v Speaker 2>deserve better.

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<v Speaker 3>How are we gonna fix this?

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<v Speaker 4>That's where my head is, that, like, how can we

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<v Speaker 4>just make sure the ocean is a part of these solutions?

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<v Speaker 4>And right now I'm really focused on how that would

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<v Speaker 4>manifest in terms of policy change, And.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk more about those policy changes coming right

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<v Speaker 2>after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's time to put on our myth busting hats

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about some common misconceptions when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean and climate chain.

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<v Speaker 2>The first misconception is about who is the most concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about our changing planet.

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<v Speaker 4>We are taught this myth that white people care more

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<v Speaker 4>about nature, care more about climate. It's like the rugged, outdoorsy,

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<v Speaker 4>wilderness Patagonia clad prius driving dudes who are like they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to save the planet. And it's actually more likely

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<v Speaker 4>that a Latina grandma in Arizona cares about the climate

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<v Speaker 4>than a college student in Massachusetts. Like that's how the

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<v Speaker 4>polling plays out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've wondered, I'm like, is it the outdoorsy influencers

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<v Speaker 1>that are making us think this? Is it the YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>videos about camping that make you think the like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the profile of a person who cares.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably, I think that's I think it's all the marketing

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<v Speaker 2>of all of these outdoors companies as well, where I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in all of their ads are white, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't show that black and brown people are also doing

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<v Speaker 2>things within their community. They might not necessarily be hiking,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, they might not have the privilege of

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<v Speaker 2>having that kind of time to just say I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to spend time walking through the woods and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're doing things within their community to impact climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>If you would have asked me a long time ago

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid, was I an outdoors person?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say absolutely. I used to catch lightning bugs.

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<v Speaker 1>We used to go exploring in the woods and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and my grandma would say, hey, back in the yard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we would go. Who would push it?

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<v Speaker 1>Me and all of my cousins, And I think as

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<v Speaker 1>I got around high school, I was like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember there was one episode of the Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 3>I know this sounds so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember this episode of the Simpsons where Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>is like meeting up with this activist environmental group, this

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<v Speaker 1>environmental activist group, and they're like in the tree, like

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<v Speaker 1>they're in this tree so it doesn't get cut down.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, no, this is an outdoors person.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a person who cares about the planet. They

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<v Speaker 1>were sandals and socks and they have a T shirts

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<v Speaker 1>with a tree on it or the globe outs bark right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you begin to think, this is what an outdoors

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<v Speaker 1>person is. This is what a person looks like when

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<v Speaker 1>that cares about the planet. And that's not necessarily the case.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a thousand ways to care about the planet and

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<v Speaker 1>to make change.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have a friend that started a group called

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Outdoors, and it just highlights so many people

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<v Speaker 2>of color that are getting out hiking, traveling, and doing

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<v Speaker 2>all of these really amazing things to help impact climate

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<v Speaker 2>change and also show that people of color are also

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<v Speaker 2>a part of that community.

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<v Speaker 3>I just went to the website. I'm all into it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a shame that we aren't included in these conversations

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<v Speaker 2>because I know Zakey and I we really enjoy being

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<v Speaker 2>outside and hiking and biking and doing all these things

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<v Speaker 2>like that me and my husband did one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ten mile hike for our honeymoon. Honeymoon that don't the

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<v Speaker 2>honey to me, parts of it was not. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these are things that we like to do. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we are constantly excluded from the conversation. Yeah, but what

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<v Speaker 2>we know to be fact is that it's not the

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<v Speaker 2>stereotypical person that you think wants to save the earth

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<v Speaker 2>that is actually saving the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Johnson told us about a recent study from Yale

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<v Speaker 1>and George Mason Universities that highlights exactly that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's forty nine percent of white people are concerned about

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<v Speaker 4>climate change, fifty seven percent of black people, and sixty

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent of Latin X people. This is a survey

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<v Speaker 4>from Yale and George Mason Universities. They've been tracking this

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<v Speaker 4>stuff for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only are people of color more concerned about the planet,

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<v Speaker 2>but doctor Johnson says that they're also more likely to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's also sort of double the likelihood of wanting

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<v Speaker 4>to get involved in campaigns to solve these problems. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's and and people of color are half as likely

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<v Speaker 4>to be climate deniers.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next myth is about who is most affected

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<v Speaker 1>by climate change. Too many people are thinking of this

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<v Speaker 1>as a far away problem in these other countries really

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<v Speaker 1>affecting this all.

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<v Speaker 4>In the US in particular, we've had many people have

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<v Speaker 4>enough resources and protection that they're buffered from the worst

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<v Speaker 4>of the impacts. And journalism had for a long time

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<v Speaker 4>been telling this story about climate change is something that

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<v Speaker 4>is going to affect like poor brown people in other countries,

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<v Speaker 4>whereas like, we know it's hitting here. It's the floods

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<v Speaker 4>in the Midwest, the record floods, it's the record fires

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<v Speaker 4>in California. It's the record storms in the Southeast. It's

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.920
<v Speaker 4>the droughts. It's all of that is hitting us right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think we're at it. We've finally reached the

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<v Speaker 4>tipping point where the majority of Americans are like, oh shit,

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 4>like this is real. It's coming for all of us,

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 4>Like it's coming for poor people and people of color first,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's coming for all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we've seen that as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>behavior in the US, like if something isn't affecting us

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<v Speaker 1>right where you can see it in front of your face.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel like it's not important. We saw this with

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus when it was happening in China, we said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not effect yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And even current even when it's happening here in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States.

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<v Speaker 1>When it happened in New York and DC and in California,

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<v Speaker 1>people in other states say, oh, that's a problem. They're

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 1>not here, We're not worried. And now we see those

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>other states having these numbers surge. Right if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to wait until the fire or in this case, the

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<v Speaker 1>shoreline is at your back door.

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.679
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be too late. And for some people,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not something that is in their distant future.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that is happening right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Vulnerability to the climate crisis is just another manifestation of

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<v Speaker 4>white supremacy in a lot of ways, like where people

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<v Speaker 4>live is a function of history, what resources they have

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 4>is a function of history. Whether the government jumps in

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 4>to support you after a disaster is a function of

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 4>a racist past and present. So in this moment of reckoning,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's been really good to see people try to

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.639
<v Speaker 4>muddle through that figure out how to be on the

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 4>right side of history and connect the dots because like,

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 4>we just can't solve the climate crisis without people of color,

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 4>but we could honestly probably solve it without racists. So

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 4>choose your side, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The third myth is that climate change is a coastal issue,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just as important for people in the landlocked areas.

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<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, there's all these connections, and the way that

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<v Speaker 4>we do agriculture is actually super bad for the ocean.

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 4>All of this like growing animals and high density, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you have these like ponds of pig manure that

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<v Speaker 4>are like leeching out to sea, and all the fertilizers

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 4>and all the lawns fertilizers and all the big industrial

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 4>farms and all of that goes downstream through rivers to

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<v Speaker 4>the sea and causes these dead zones and anoxic zones

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 4>and really pollutes the ocean. So when people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in the Midwest or in the middle of the country

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 4>are like, the ocean's not my issue, I'm like, well,

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 4>what we do in the middle affects the coast and

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 4>vice versa. So it's so important that that people connect

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<v Speaker 4>those stops.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're listening to this episode and you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the Midwest and you feel like, Hey, I mean, there

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>are no oceans near me. This has nothing to do

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 2>with me. This does not affect me. I do not

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<v Speaker 2>affect it.

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>The ocean affects all of us, as we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>earlier on in the episode, and it definitely affects the

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Midwest in Midwest agriculture.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a whole sort of anthropology and historical ecology around

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<v Speaker 4>sort of how much things have shifted, and this idea

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 4>of shifted baselines, it means that every generation has just

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 4>lowered expectations for nature, and that that is actually really

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 4>damaging because when we try to do conservation or restoration,

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 4>we're actually is just not ambitious enough. We just don't

0:26:54.920 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 4>even understand how like diverse and resplendent and abundant should be.

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And that goes back to pretty much everything that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about the oysters.

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Our expectations are so low because at each generation we're

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>just tearing stuff up. You never knew how clean the

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>room could get. We never knew it, We've never seen it.

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>We really have to start being better and doing better

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and expecting more for our environment.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>So now you should be fired up just like us. Yes,

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and if you have all this information. Now you know

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>about climate change, you know its effects on the ocean,

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you know who was affected. You know that who cares

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 1>about climate change, and that it could be you. The

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>question is now, what will.

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>You do right? This is an all hands on deck situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone has to play a part.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the things I really care about is making

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 4>everyone feel welcome in the climate movement. In environmental work,

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 4>there are so many solutions, there are so many different

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 4>ways to participate, So I just really want to encourage

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 4>people to think about how they can be a part

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 4>of the solutions that we need.

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 2>We can't just say we're going to focus on this

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<v Speaker 2>one thing and do this one thing and if that

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work, then we'll move on to the next thing.

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 2>We need to be doing all of these things all

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>at the same time. It sounds like a lot, but

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>for real, when you think about it, it's not. And

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 2>part of this includes our government. Policy is so important,

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>and doctor Johnson says the good news is that when

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 2>it comes to climate change, there are some things that

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Congress can't agree on.

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 4>That topic like should we or should we not have

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 4>heaps of plastic in the ocean is one of the

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 4>few environmental issues that hasn't been politicized like Republicans Democrats,

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 4>Like no one wants trash on the beach, No one

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 4>wants all this stuff in the ocean, No one wants

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 4>plastic in their seafoods. So there's actually a real opportunity

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 4>for bipartisanship on this issue of plastic pollution, and we

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 4>should absolutely lean into that and take advantage of it.

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And one of those ways to take advantage of this

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>is to educate ourselves about the different policies and plans

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>to tackle climate change.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is the Green New Deal. You may

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<v Speaker 3>have heard of it.

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<v Speaker 4>First, I would like to encourage all of your wonderful

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 4>listeners to read the Green New Deal to either of

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.479
<v Speaker 4>you know how long the Green New Deal is?

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 3>No, we didn't do y'all know.

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<v Speaker 2>Pause it right now and think about it. Okay, you're back.

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 2>You don't know.

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 4>It is fourteen pages, double spaced, massive font. It'll take

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 4>you like five minutes to read it. This is the

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 4>big secret. Everyone thinks it's like hundreds of hundreds of pages.

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 4>I could never read it. I could never understand it. Like, everyone,

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 4>go read it. We can then have an informed discussion

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 4>about what this should look like. So the Green New

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 4>Deal is a it's a congressional resolution. It's not a policy,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 4>it's not an act. It is a vision statement. And

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 4>it was introduced in the House by Representative Ocasio Cortes

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<v Speaker 4>and in the Senate by Ed Marky, who's been a

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 4>champion of climate issues for decades, so that they introduced

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 4>it in both chambers of Congress together, and it's this

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 4>vision statement for how we as a nation at a

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 4>federal level should address the climate crisis. But this I

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 4>read word for word several times, and the first time

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 4>I read it, I got to page ten and I

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<v Speaker 4>saw the first mention of the ocean in a list

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 4>of like things we should protect include blah blah blah

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 4>blah blah ocean, And I was like, that's all we get.

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 4>You guys were going to lose if we don't include

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 4>the ocean as a core part of our climate solutions,

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 4>Like we're just not going to get there.

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>And that wasn't good enough for doctor Johnson, so she

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>got together with some other climate experts that specialize in

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the ocean and they decided to draft up their vision

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 2>for climate change that includes the ocean.

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 4>The three of us got together and wrote in a

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 4>bed called the Big Blue Gap in the Green New Deal,

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 4>and we're just like, y'all, you're missing it. Here's what

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 4>we think needs to be included. And so that's what

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 4>sort of started these discussions about a BLA New Deal

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 4>and what that would look like. And the idea is

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 4>that this is a supplement to the Green New Deal,

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 4>like we just want to make sure the ocean is included.

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 4>This is not a competing proposal, this is a you know,

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 4>an addition.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so grateful for the people like doctor Johnson doing

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>this type of work right informing folks. You know, I

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>think she makes some really good points just to help

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>us get through some misconceptions, just for us to see

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>how connected all of these systems are.

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>And it's just like with other things, once we get

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>past the first initial barriers that are very kind of

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>basic in our understanding of why the ocean is so important,

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>then we can really get to work.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>You know what t t Even after that thing came

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>out for LA, I thought, I consider myself.

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 3>I said, hey, I'm a scientist.

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>There are certain facts I know, you know, but I

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>drive to work and it's too far to bike it's

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>too far to walk, But since I've been biking.

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Girl, no it's not too far.

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>And when I realized in July that I hadn't gotten

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>any gas since March, and I was like, I don't

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>need to be so dependent on fossil fuels. There were

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>just so many little small things that I could see.

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you another example. Since I've been home, I'm

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not eating out right, I haven't been kind of ordering

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>things in. But what I've been noticing is the amount

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of waste that I generate. So like I'm taking the

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>trash out and I'm looking like, did I make these

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>three bags of trash that are gonna go there?

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Which has led me to come in a week in

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<v Speaker 3>a week.

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<v Speaker 2>That was something that I noticed about myself too, like

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I use a lot of paper towels. Oh, I use

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of paper towels and napkins, Like it was

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>something that I knew about myself, Like when I would

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>go out to restaurants, I'd be like, yeah, I'm always

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>asking for more napkins and things like that, But then

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>being at home and realizing how many paper towels I

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>used for like for everything, even if it's just like, oh,

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I need to. Oh, I splash some water on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the counter. I'll get a paper towel to wipe

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>it up. Like why when I could use like a

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>dish towel. Yes, And so I was creating a lot

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>of waste. So now I'm a lot more of it

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<v Speaker 2>and trying not to do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And with anything where you see a little room for improvement,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it just makes you think what else?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's next? You know, what's next? What else can I do?

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>And so I can't wait to talk about some more

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<v Speaker 1>solutions now that I've seen how easy it is to

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<v Speaker 1>be an advocate of Earth in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, little steps, little things done by a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people can make huge impact.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what are the little steps for you? They might

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<v Speaker 1>not be the same as for me, But there are

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>so many steps. There are so many we could take.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for Lab twenty eight, but we have so

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<v Speaker 2>Dope Blabs is produced by Jenny Raydalt Mass of WaveRunner Studios.

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<v Speaker 3>Mixing and sound design are by Hannes Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Our theme music is by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugiura,

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<v Speaker 1>Media Group, and it's executive produced by us T T

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<v Speaker 1>show Dia and Zakiah Wattley. But it seems like There's

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<v Speaker 1>something about returning to the water, like the ocean, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just feels like Oh, like Mahanna said, who's it Moana?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Molana? Yes, I was like who.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's a preview of doctor Johnson's upcoming podcast, How

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<v Speaker 2>to Save a Planet?

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<v Speaker 4>How screwed are We?

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<v Speaker 5>How screwed are we?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>How screwed are we?

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<v Speaker 6>WHOA?

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<v Speaker 4>How screwed are we? I'm Iyana Elizabeth Johnson. And when

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<v Speaker 4>people find out that I'm a climate expert, this is

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<v Speaker 4>their question.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't get asked that question. My name's Alex Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 5>I make podcasts for a living, but I ask it

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<v Speaker 5>a lot when it comes to the climate and Aana. Lately,

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<v Speaker 5>we've been asking other.

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<v Speaker 7>People this question.

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<v Speaker 4>Turns out, the answer kind of depends on us.

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<v Speaker 5>Doctor Kate Marvel.

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<v Speaker 7>How screwed are we?

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<v Speaker 8>We can choose to be completely screwed if we want to,

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<v Speaker 8>but we also have the ability to limit the damage,

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<v Speaker 8>so we can choose whether we're screwed.

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<v Speaker 4>We're on team let's not screw ourselves.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly, and that is why we're launching this podcast, How

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<v Speaker 5>to Save.

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<v Speaker 4>A Planet, a podcast that'll answer the following questions, What

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<v Speaker 4>are the key things we need to do to deal

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<v Speaker 4>with climate change, and how do we make those things happen.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be talking to lots of people about the answers

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<v Speaker 5>to those questions, people working on climate solutions who never

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<v Speaker 5>imagine themselves doing this kind of work.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember being called an environmentalist and I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not an environmentalist. I'm gonna buy you girl, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And they're like, well, you want us to do something

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<v Speaker 6>about the trees, and I'm like, everybody around here wants

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<v Speaker 6>you to do something about the trees.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just a tree hugger.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just being.

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<v Speaker 3>Metaphorically hugged tree.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll talk to experts about the solutions to climate change

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<v Speaker 5>that are already underway right now.

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<v Speaker 7>We're at the beginning of this huge boom of offshore

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<v Speaker 7>win the United States, and we're going to see hundreds

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<v Speaker 7>and thousands of offshore turbines deployed off the Atlantic seaboard

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<v Speaker 7>over the next decade.

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<v Speaker 4>And we'll look at how much better things will be

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<v Speaker 4>if we actually just deal with climate change and get

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<v Speaker 4>this transformation right. The move away from fossil fuels is

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<v Speaker 4>not going to be impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to turn our lights off.

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<v Speaker 3>The move to a zero common future.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not just possible, but it's better.

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<v Speaker 5>On this podcast, we're going to be figuring out how

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<v Speaker 5>we build that better future together, one episode at a time.

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<v Speaker 4>How to Save a Planet from Gimmick goes live on August.

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<v Speaker 5>Twentieth with me Alex Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 4>And me doctor Ayana Elizabeth Johnson.

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<v Speaker 5>Please follow and listen for free on Spotify.

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<v Speaker 4>Because Earthlings, We've got work to do.