1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: If there's one thing that's happening is Corona's keeping us outside. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: That's where I feel safest. 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely taking more walks. 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: You've been bike riding, Oh man, I've been biking, like 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: my life depends on it. Tour de France, Tour to 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: four ninety five, I'm riding underneath it. Do you remember 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: when people were talking about how the air quality was 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: improven because everyone was staying home. 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. There were so many things that were 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: coming out at the right at the beginning of quarantine 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: that was like the air quality in la is the 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,319 Speaker 2: best it's ever been, or something like that, and I 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, it's because no one is 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: driving around. Everybody was at home, so the air quality 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: was better. 16 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: And I was like, Yo, this is a wake up call. 17 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: We're really out here just polluting all over the planet, honestly, 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: and we don't even that was our day to day. 19 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 3: We didn't even think about it. We didn't. 20 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: And what it also showed us is that we can 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: be doing better. When you know better, you do better. 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 2: So now that we know what it takes, what you're 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: gonna do? 24 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: Hey, how are you going to. 25 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: I'm t t and I'm Ziah and from Spotify. This 26 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: is Dope Labs. You know what, I've been noticing what 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: every time we're go on a walk. So me and 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: Jimmy we have like this this game that we play 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: and we try and spot the rubber gloves or spot 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: the mask on the ground. What's not on people? Because 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: now that everybody is wearing gloves and masks, now we're 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of gloves and masks just on the 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: ground in the street, in the grass. Like I saw 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: a bird packing at a mask the other day and 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: I was just like, what is going on? 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: We got coronavirus, but then we're also continuing to kill 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: the planet. 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: And you know where those masks are going to end up. 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: We know exactly where they're going, right into the ocean exactly. 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: And that's today's topic. We're talking about the ocean and 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: specifically how the ocean is connected to the health and 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: vitality of our planet because as we all know, we 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: could be doing better. 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: Like when you talk about like there was so many 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: things that came out about how many microplastics that we're 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: starting to find in the ocean and in the fish 48 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: that we eat that are in the ocean and finding 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: all these microplastics because we're not disposing of our plastic 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: and our waists properly, Like we know these things already, 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: and y'all are throwing your gloves and masks on the ground. 52 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: There's so much to consider when talking about climate change, 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: So why are we only focusing on the ocean? 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: I feel like people when we talk about climent a change, 55 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 2: Like people think about you know, emissions from our cars, 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: like yeah, we want electric cars and things like that, 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: and we think about recycling, reduce, reuse, recycle, but we 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: don't talk about the ocean like really at all. Yeah, 59 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes it comes up and people are like, yeah, 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: the ocean is important, like let's not forget, but then 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: we forget about the ocean. 62 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like out of sight, out of. 63 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: Mind exactly because most of us don't live on the ocean, 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: and so it's not something that we interact with every day. 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: But we do interact with you know, trees, and we 66 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: interact with our cars and things like that. So what 67 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: we're doing with this lab today is bringing the ocean 68 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: to you. 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: Let's get into the recitation. 70 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: So what do we know? 71 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I know, the planet is seventy one percent water. But 72 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I learned a lot of stuff as 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: a kid about the ocean, and I haven't really brought 74 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: that stuff back to the. 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: Forefront of my mind. 76 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Like, I know the ocean is all connected and it 77 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: moves water, but I don't really know the significance of 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: that why I should care about it. 79 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I know I care, but I don't really 80 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: know the details. 81 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: We know that the ocean affects all things, right, yeah, 82 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: but in what way you know? I mean, we can't 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: use the We can't cop out and say, oh, that's 84 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: not our area of research, because it's. 85 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: Just like you live here exactly. 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is my house, but I don't 87 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: know nothing about the roof. 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: What, Yeah, you're gonna find out exactly. I think we 89 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: should just start with that baseline assumption. Knowing that the 90 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Earth is over seventy percent water is enough for me 91 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: to know that the ocean is important, and I should 92 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: get down to some nitty gritties. It sounds like we're 93 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: going to focus a lot on what we want. 94 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: To know, yes, because we don't know enough. And so 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: one of the things that I want to know is 96 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: how is the ocean affected by climate change. We know 97 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: it is, Okay, I'm not saying that I don't know 98 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: that it is. I'm saying, like, in what ways that 99 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: you know we might be missing? Is it affected? 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: Help us see our blind spots? 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: Basically, yes, I want these blinders off. 102 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: I want to see the whole thing. 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: And if you know, people are always saying save the ocean, 104 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: and if you save the ocean, you can save the Earth. 105 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: I need you to draw a line between those dots. 106 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: What exactly about saving the ocean helps me save the 107 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: rest of the planet, right? 108 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: I want to know that. 109 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: And I want to know what are some of the 110 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: misconceptions about the ocean, how it affects the world, the 111 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: things that we can do. And I know that there 112 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: are certain people that are disproportionately affected by climate change, 113 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: and I would like to know how, why, and who 114 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: those people are specifically. 115 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: That's a lot to think about. I think we're ready 116 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: to jump into the dissection. 117 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: Our guest for today's lab is doctor Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. 118 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 4: My name is doctor Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. I am a 119 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: marine biologist and a climate policy nerd from Brooklyn, New York. 120 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: She is the goat and she's trying to be modest. 121 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: She's founder and CEO of Ocean Collective. 122 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: Ocean Collective is a consulting firm for conservation solutions that 123 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: are grounded in social justice. 124 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: You can find doctor Johnson at the Nexus of all 125 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: things science, policy and communication. She's always advocating for coastal 126 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: communities and basically figuring out how to solve our climate crisis. 127 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: And we're gonna talk about those solutions in a bit, 128 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: but first, let's talk about the ocean. How does the 129 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: ocean work with the rest of the planet. 130 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: Let's hit some key points, right. I think you have 131 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: to know these things to understand the gravity of why 132 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: the ocean is so important. The scope of the ocean 133 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: is huge. 134 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: You know. 135 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: We tend to think about what's happening right at the 136 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: shore and we think, oh, look there's a huge wave. 137 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: No sea waves in the ocean can move at hundreds 138 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: of miles per hour. 139 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: And the ocean, because it's so vast, hasn't been explored 140 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: as some other parts of our universe, like there are 141 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: more extensive maps aps of Mars than our own ocean. 142 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: So how does the ocean move? I think it's really 143 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: useful to imagine the ocean as this huge pump, like 144 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: this big physical pump that's just churning water all around 145 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: the planet. So in the ocean, the ocean that's all 146 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: over the planet, there are these things called gyres, and 147 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: a gyre is any large system of circulating ocean currents, 148 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: and the way that they're formed is by the Earth's 149 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: wind patterns and by the forces that make the Earth rotate. 150 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: So on our planet Earth, there are five major ocean gyers, 151 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: the North Atlantic, South Atlantic, Indian, North Pacific, and South Pacific. 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: And together these gyers circulate the ocean water all around 153 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: the planet, and the ocean doesn't exist in a vacuum. 154 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: The ocean and the climate are very intertwined. 155 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: When we think about our climate system, it's the ocean 156 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: actually plays a big role. It's not just the atmosphere. 157 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: It's the interactions between the two. 158 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: You know. 159 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: One of the things that's easy to forget is that 160 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: we don't have some unlimited source of water. The water 161 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: that's on this planet is all we have, and it's 162 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: just constantly being recycled. So the water that rains down 163 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: on us has been in the ocean many times before 164 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: it's evaporated into our atmosphere. Then it's precipitated and it 165 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: becomes snow or rain, and it's distributed over bodies of 166 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: water or land, and when it's in land, it just 167 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, drains right back down our waterways and basins 168 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: back into the ocean to complete that cycle all over again. 169 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: The water molecules that make up the ocean are constantly 170 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: interchanging with the water molecules that make up our atmosphere. 171 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: So the temperature of the water means a lot for 172 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: the temperature of the air and the weather where you are. 173 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: The ocean has this amazing heat capacity, so it can 174 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: absorb solar energy and then it can release it as heat, 175 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: but it does that vary slowly. So the way I 176 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: think about that is considering, you know, it's a hot 177 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: it's a sunny, hot day, but when you get in 178 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: the ocean. 179 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: The water is still cold. 180 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: Because the ocean has the ability to absorb way more 181 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: heat than the atmosphere around it, right, and because it 182 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: has that heat capacity, it doesn't rapidly heat up and 183 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: rapidly drop in heat in temperature. 184 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: Imagine if the heat the ocean can heat up as 185 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: fast as the atmosphere, like the air around us. 186 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't want it. I don't want I. 187 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: Don't want to be boiled like that. You're gonna sou 188 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: vid yourself. So then my next question is how are 189 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: the oceans affected by climate change? 190 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked, because most people don't think 191 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: of the ocean as part of climate change, as part 192 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,359 Speaker 4: of the climate system. 193 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: So t t's just explained about these gyres. We now 194 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: understand how the temperature of the ocean is super important, 195 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: and this is all such a delicate balance for how 196 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: our planet keeps us alive. Any interruption or imbalance or 197 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: skew in one direction of this balance is a problem, 198 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: and today we're just going to touch on a couple 199 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: of those examples. There are a few ways the ocean 200 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: is affected, but it's all related to the increase of 201 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: the ocean's temperature, and it's like a domino effect or 202 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: a chain reaction that causes a lot of different issues. 203 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: The heat of the water actually drives a lot of 204 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 4: different things. So you have this cold, dense, salty water 205 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: that then sinks and it drives this sort of conveyor 206 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 4: belt in the North Atlantic. But if the water doesn't 207 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 4: get cold enough in northern Europe. Then it doesn't sink 208 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: as fast and sort of the current this conveyor belt 209 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 4: is slowing down. 210 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: When the ocean water gets warmer, it can cause a 211 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: lot of problems. 212 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: If the water's really warm. My favorite climate scientist, doctor 213 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 4: Tate Marvel at NASA, she describes a warm ocean as 214 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 4: hurricane food. 215 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: The atmosphere is always holding water vapor, and that's just 216 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: water in a gaseous state, but the atmosphere's ability to 217 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: hold that vapor is related to temperature. Warm air can 218 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: hold more water vapor than cold air can. 219 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: If you think about the summertime and how we only 220 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: talk about humidity in the summer. That's because warm air 221 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: has the ability to trap those water molecules, and that's 222 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: what humidity is. That's water in the air. But in 223 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: the winter time we don't talk about that because cold 224 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: air does not do that. 225 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: And when you think about it that way, like you said, 226 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: the warm air, when that ocean water is evaporating, it 227 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: increases the temperature and humidity of the air around it. 228 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: And that's how whenever they talk about hurricanes, they're always 229 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: showing that you've never seen a hurricane generate overland. 230 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: It comes from the ocean over where we live. 231 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 4: Right hat this heat and more evaporation and stronger and 232 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: wetter storms become even more dangerous, and that is also 233 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: due to climate change. 234 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: The next thing to understand about climate change affecting the 235 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: ocean is how it changes the ocean's chemistry. We've all 236 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: heard that the warming temperature of the planet is caused 237 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: by greenhouse gases, but those gases are also being absorbed 238 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: by the ocean, and so. 239 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: We've actually changed the chemistry of seawater by burning all 240 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: these fossil fuels, and that is bananas. The ocean is enormous, 241 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 4: and we've changed the chemistry of the entire ocean. 242 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: The ocean is a carbon sink. That means a place 243 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: where the carbon can just go to basically just go away, 244 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: right if you think about it. The carbon regenerate from 245 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: activities like driving and flying and even exhaling, all that 246 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: carbon has to go somewhere, and so the ocean just 247 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: takes all that excess carbon and through a variety of processes, 248 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: it basically traps it in its depths. 249 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: But of course we've taken it too far. The Ocean 250 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: Foundation says that we're exceeding the ocean's carbon sink capacity. 251 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: So that's like if I let my friend borrow my 252 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: car and I'm like, yeah, that's fine, you can go 253 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: get groceries, and then I find out a week later 254 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: they actually took a road trip across the country and 255 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: now my car is broken down in California. That's too much. 256 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm not that friend, by the way, that's a different friend, right. Yes, 257 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: why you're trying to tell me something. 258 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. 259 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: And the thing is all this excess carbon that we're generating. 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: That's not the only thing the ocean is absorbing. It's 261 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: also absorbing heat. 262 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: And the ocean has also absorbed ninety percent of the 263 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 4: heat that we've trapped. So the ocean is getting warmer. 264 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: The sea water is, you know, a degree celsius or 265 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: more warmer than it used to be in modern history. 266 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 4: Warmer water holds less oxygen, and warmer water also stresses 267 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: fish out, so they're like super stressed out and they 268 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 4: can't get enough oxygen. And it's just a recipe for 269 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 4: a disaster. 270 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: You know, when you get in the shower and you 271 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: turn around in that hot water touches your back. Oof, 272 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: that's what we're doing to the fish. 273 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: They are upset, just as upset as you'd be when 274 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: you take that into account with like the heat capacity 275 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: and how the ocean warms slowly. 276 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: Even if we stop what we're. 277 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Doing right now, the ocean is going to continue to 278 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: warm because of past things that we've done and because 279 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: it has that heat capacity. 280 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: It's just slow. So don't be like, oh, it doesn't 281 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: feel to. 282 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: Me exactly, because people will think a degree is not 283 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: that big of a deal. 284 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: They must not live with anyone else. If you haven't 285 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: fought over seventy four versus seventy five degrees in the 286 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: house date, you don't understand. 287 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you about the ocean exactly. 288 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: Living in the middle of DC, it is a swamp 289 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: here that air needs to be cutting on. 290 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: And so these are all the ways that climate change 291 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: is affecting the ocean. 292 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: So if we go back to the metaphor like, oh, 293 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: you let your friend borrow your car. But I'm a 294 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: good friend. So if I'm the ocean, I'm a good friend, 295 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, I understand like you had places 296 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: you felt like you had to go, I'll let you 297 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: borrow my car again. That's the way the ocean is 298 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: treating us. They are such a good friend that even 299 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: after misusing them and mistreating them, they still going to 300 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: try and help us out. 301 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: There's all these ways the ocean's like out there trying 302 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 4: to help us, and we just constantly ignore it. 303 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: And it's not just the ocean, you know, when we 304 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: think about all the places we want to go and 305 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: all the greenhouse gases we continue to generate, the ocean's 306 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: doing this job. So are our rivers and streams and 307 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: salt marshes and mangroves. All those things absorb way more 308 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: carbon than like no shade to the trees, But then 309 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: the trees do, okay. So all those areas, those water 310 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: rich areas, they absorb more carbon. 311 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: And another thing that I think that no one really 312 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: knows or thinks about, that we talked about with doctor Johnson. 313 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: One of these things that is in the ocean that 314 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: helps with purifying the water and keeping a record of history. 315 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: Men's the kid's favorite late night treat. 316 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: Ah oysters, if you've been out with me and there 317 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: are bi valves on the menu, you already have heard 318 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: this feel, you know, I like the little ecological history 319 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: along with my horse bradish and oysters. Yes, And like 320 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: you said, they're great storytellers. Like, if there's anything that's 321 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: going to get you motivated, the thing that you're eating, 322 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: do you love that? 323 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: Well, what if it was no more? 324 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: And there's finally some oysters are getting more respect as 325 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 4: far as their role in filtering water. 326 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: They are. They're really good, I. 327 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: Fink filtering access nutrients and pollution out of water. And 328 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: I'm actually on the board of the Billion Oyster Project 329 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: in New York City. They're trying to replant a billion 330 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 4: oysters in New York Harbor by twenty thirty five and 331 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: involve a million school students in the process. But you know, 332 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: they can't swim away, and they're really easy to catch 333 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 4: and catch them all, so we basically ate them all. 334 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: What people don't realize is that we're at an all 335 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: time low for our oyster populations compared to the estimated 336 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: levels in the early sixteen hundreds. We're at about one 337 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: percent of the oyster population we used to have. 338 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: So it was like, we don't have any oysters. That's 339 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: what it feels like, you're saying. 340 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to you, friend. Oh, and this 341 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: is why I didn't know it was so dire. And 342 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: all this tells me is that you haven't been listening 343 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: to me because I tell you this every time. 344 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll just be trying to eat and enjoy 345 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: my cocktail and my oysters. 346 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 4: Oyster reefs can be an incredibly effective buffer from storms 347 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 4: and waves because they just like they buffer that energy. 348 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 4: They kind of like disperse all of that by creating 349 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: all this friction that you know, breaks the power of 350 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 4: the waves coming ashore. And so restoring oysters is actually 351 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: a really important part of building resilience to climate change. 352 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 4: So shout outs to oysters for being delicious and historical 353 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: and saving us. 354 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: The oysters are physicists. They're providing a great barrier between 355 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: the ocean and our coastline. It's like putting in a 356 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 2: like a permeable brick wall where some water will get through, 357 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: but it slows it down because they're taking the brunt 358 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: of the forest. Yes, so they're standing there like no 359 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: limit soldiers and getting whipped up by this ocean and 360 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: they're like, that's fine, thank you, sir. 361 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: I have another man. I'm silk the Shaka oyster, which 362 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: one of you. 363 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: Definitely master p Mayer say nanah, no nah. 364 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be Snoop Dogg when he was on no limit. 365 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: If anybody mess with Snoop Doggie Dog, are. 366 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: Y'all gonna save the oysters or what? 367 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: We don't deserve them? We don't deserve these oysters. They 368 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: deserve better. 369 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 3: How are we gonna fix this? 370 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 4: That's where my head is, that, like, how can we 371 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 4: just make sure the ocean is a part of these solutions? 372 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: And right now I'm really focused on how that would 373 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: manifest in terms of policy change, And. 374 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk more about those policy changes coming right 375 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: after the break. 376 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Now it's time to put on our myth busting hats 377 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: and talk about some common misconceptions when it comes to 378 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: the ocean and climate chain. 379 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: The first misconception is about who is the most concerned 380 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: about our changing planet. 381 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 4: We are taught this myth that white people care more 382 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 4: about nature, care more about climate. It's like the rugged, outdoorsy, 383 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 4: wilderness Patagonia clad prius driving dudes who are like they're 384 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: going to save the planet. And it's actually more likely 385 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: that a Latina grandma in Arizona cares about the climate 386 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: than a college student in Massachusetts. Like that's how the 387 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: polling plays out. 388 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: And I've wondered, I'm like, is it the outdoorsy influencers 389 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: that are making us think this? Is it the YouTube 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: videos about camping that make you think the like, this 391 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: is the profile of a person who cares. 392 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Probably, I think that's I think it's all the marketing 393 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: of all of these outdoors companies as well, where I mean, 394 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: everybody in all of their ads are white, and they 395 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: don't show that black and brown people are also doing 396 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: things within their community. They might not necessarily be hiking, 397 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: because you know, they might not have the privilege of 398 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: having that kind of time to just say I'm going 399 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: to spend time walking through the woods and things like that, 400 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: but they're doing things within their community to impact climate change. 401 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: If you would have asked me a long time ago 402 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: as a kid, was I an outdoors person? 403 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: I would say absolutely. I used to catch lightning bugs. 404 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: We used to go exploring in the woods and stuff, 405 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: and my grandma would say, hey, back in the yard. 406 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: You know, we would go. Who would push it? 407 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: Me and all of my cousins, And I think as 408 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: I got around high school, I was like, oh, I 409 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: remember there was one episode of the Simpsons. 410 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: I know this sounds so crazy. 411 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Do you remember this episode of the Simpsons where Lisa 412 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: is like meeting up with this activist environmental group, this 413 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: environmental activist group, and they're like in the tree, like 414 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: they're in this tree so it doesn't get cut down. 415 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, this is an outdoors person. 416 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: This is a person who cares about the planet. They 417 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: were sandals and socks and they have a T shirts 418 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: with a tree on it or the globe outs bark right, 419 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: and you begin to think, this is what an outdoors 420 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: person is. This is what a person looks like when 421 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: that cares about the planet. And that's not necessarily the case. 422 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: There's a thousand ways to care about the planet and 423 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: to make change. 424 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: I actually have a friend that started a group called 425 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: the Black Outdoors, and it just highlights so many people 426 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: of color that are getting out hiking, traveling, and doing 427 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: all of these really amazing things to help impact climate 428 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: change and also show that people of color are also 429 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: a part of that community. 430 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 3: I just went to the website. I'm all into it. 431 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: It's a shame that we aren't included in these conversations 432 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: because I know Zakey and I we really enjoy being 433 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: outside and hiking and biking and doing all these things 434 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: like that me and my husband did one hundred and 435 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: ten mile hike for our honeymoon. Honeymoon that don't the 436 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: honey to me, parts of it was not. But yeah, 437 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: these are things that we like to do. But you know, 438 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 2: we are constantly excluded from the conversation. Yeah, but what 439 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: we know to be fact is that it's not the 440 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: stereotypical person that you think wants to save the earth 441 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: that is actually saving the earth. 442 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Johnson told us about a recent study from Yale 443 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: and George Mason Universities that highlights exactly that. 444 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 4: It's forty nine percent of white people are concerned about 445 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 4: climate change, fifty seven percent of black people, and sixty 446 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: nine percent of Latin X people. This is a survey 447 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 4: from Yale and George Mason Universities. They've been tracking this 448 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 4: stuff for over a decade. 449 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: Not only are people of color more concerned about the planet, 450 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: but doctor Johnson says that they're also more likely to 451 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: get involved. 452 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 4: And there's also sort of double the likelihood of wanting 453 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 4: to get involved in campaigns to solve these problems. And 454 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: there's and and people of color are half as likely 455 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: to be climate deniers. 456 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: And the next myth is about who is most affected 457 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: by climate change. Too many people are thinking of this 458 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: as a far away problem in these other countries really 459 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: affecting this all. 460 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: In the US in particular, we've had many people have 461 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 4: enough resources and protection that they're buffered from the worst 462 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 4: of the impacts. And journalism had for a long time 463 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 4: been telling this story about climate change is something that 464 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 4: is going to affect like poor brown people in other countries, 465 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 4: whereas like, we know it's hitting here. It's the floods 466 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: in the Midwest, the record floods, it's the record fires 467 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: in California. It's the record storms in the Southeast. It's 468 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: the droughts. It's all of that is hitting us right now. 469 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: And I think we're at it. We've finally reached the 470 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: tipping point where the majority of Americans are like, oh shit, 471 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: like this is real. It's coming for all of us, 472 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: Like it's coming for poor people and people of color first, 473 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: but it's coming for all of us. 474 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: And I think we've seen that as part of the 475 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: behavior in the US, like if something isn't affecting us 476 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: right where you can see it in front of your face. 477 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: You feel like it's not important. We saw this with 478 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: coronavirus when it was happening in China, we said, oh, 479 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: it's not effect yes. 480 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: And even current even when it's happening here in the 481 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: United States. 482 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: When it happened in New York and DC and in California, 483 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: people in other states say, oh, that's a problem. They're 484 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: not here, We're not worried. And now we see those 485 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: other states having these numbers surge. Right if you're going 486 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: to wait until the fire or in this case, the 487 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: shoreline is at your back door. 488 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: It's going to be too late. And for some people, 489 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: this is not something that is in their distant future. 490 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: This is something that is happening right now. 491 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 4: Vulnerability to the climate crisis is just another manifestation of 492 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 4: white supremacy in a lot of ways, like where people 493 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: live is a function of history, what resources they have 494 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: is a function of history. Whether the government jumps in 495 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 4: to support you after a disaster is a function of 496 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: a racist past and present. So in this moment of reckoning, 497 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: and it's been really good to see people try to 498 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: muddle through that figure out how to be on the 499 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 4: right side of history and connect the dots because like, 500 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: we just can't solve the climate crisis without people of color, 501 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 4: but we could honestly probably solve it without racists. So 502 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 4: choose your side, right. 503 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: The third myth is that climate change is a coastal issue, 504 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: but it's just as important for people in the landlocked areas. 505 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 4: So, yeah, there's all these connections, and the way that 506 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 4: we do agriculture is actually super bad for the ocean. 507 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 4: All of this like growing animals and high density, and 508 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 4: then you have these like ponds of pig manure that 509 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: are like leeching out to sea, and all the fertilizers 510 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: and all the lawns fertilizers and all the big industrial 511 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 4: farms and all of that goes downstream through rivers to 512 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: the sea and causes these dead zones and anoxic zones 513 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: and really pollutes the ocean. So when people, you know, 514 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: in the Midwest or in the middle of the country 515 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 4: are like, the ocean's not my issue, I'm like, well, 516 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 4: what we do in the middle affects the coast and 517 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 4: vice versa. So it's so important that that people connect 518 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: those stops. 519 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this episode and you're in 520 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: the Midwest and you feel like, Hey, I mean, there 521 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: are no oceans near me. This has nothing to do 522 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: with me. This does not affect me. I do not 523 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: affect it. 524 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: That's not true. 525 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: The ocean affects all of us, as we talked about 526 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: earlier on in the episode, and it definitely affects the 527 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: Midwest in Midwest agriculture. 528 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 4: There's a whole sort of anthropology and historical ecology around 529 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 4: sort of how much things have shifted, and this idea 530 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: of shifted baselines, it means that every generation has just 531 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 4: lowered expectations for nature, and that that is actually really 532 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: damaging because when we try to do conservation or restoration, 533 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 4: we're actually is just not ambitious enough. We just don't 534 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: even understand how like diverse and resplendent and abundant should be. 535 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: And that goes back to pretty much everything that we've 536 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: been talking about the oysters. 537 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: Our expectations are so low because at each generation we're 538 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: just tearing stuff up. You never knew how clean the 539 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: room could get. We never knew it, We've never seen it. 540 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: We really have to start being better and doing better 541 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: and expecting more for our environment. 542 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: So now you should be fired up just like us. Yes, 543 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: and if you have all this information. Now you know 544 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: about climate change, you know its effects on the ocean, 545 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: you know who was affected. You know that who cares 546 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: about climate change, and that it could be you. The 547 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: question is now, what will. 548 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: You do right? This is an all hands on deck situation. 549 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: Everyone has to play a part. 550 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: One of the things I really care about is making 551 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 4: everyone feel welcome in the climate movement. In environmental work, 552 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: there are so many solutions, there are so many different 553 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 4: ways to participate, So I just really want to encourage 554 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 4: people to think about how they can be a part 555 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 4: of the solutions that we need. 556 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: We can't just say we're going to focus on this 557 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: one thing and do this one thing and if that 558 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: doesn't work, then we'll move on to the next thing. 559 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 2: We need to be doing all of these things all 560 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: at the same time. It sounds like a lot, but 561 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: for real, when you think about it, it's not. And 562 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: part of this includes our government. Policy is so important, 563 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: and doctor Johnson says the good news is that when 564 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: it comes to climate change, there are some things that 565 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: Congress can't agree on. 566 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: That topic like should we or should we not have 567 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 4: heaps of plastic in the ocean is one of the 568 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 4: few environmental issues that hasn't been politicized like Republicans Democrats, 569 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 4: Like no one wants trash on the beach, No one 570 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: wants all this stuff in the ocean, No one wants 571 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: plastic in their seafoods. So there's actually a real opportunity 572 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 4: for bipartisanship on this issue of plastic pollution, and we 573 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 4: should absolutely lean into that and take advantage of it. 574 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: And one of those ways to take advantage of this 575 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: is to educate ourselves about the different policies and plans 576 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: to tackle climate change. 577 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: One of them is the Green New Deal. You may 578 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 3: have heard of it. 579 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 4: First, I would like to encourage all of your wonderful 580 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: listeners to read the Green New Deal to either of 581 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 4: you know how long the Green New Deal is? 582 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: No, we didn't do y'all know. 583 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: Pause it right now and think about it. Okay, you're back. 584 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: You don't know. 585 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 4: It is fourteen pages, double spaced, massive font. It'll take 586 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: you like five minutes to read it. This is the 587 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: big secret. Everyone thinks it's like hundreds of hundreds of pages. 588 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: I could never read it. I could never understand it. Like, everyone, 589 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 4: go read it. We can then have an informed discussion 590 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: about what this should look like. So the Green New 591 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 4: Deal is a it's a congressional resolution. It's not a policy, 592 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: it's not an act. It is a vision statement. And 593 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 4: it was introduced in the House by Representative Ocasio Cortes 594 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 4: and in the Senate by Ed Marky, who's been a 595 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: champion of climate issues for decades, so that they introduced 596 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: it in both chambers of Congress together, and it's this 597 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 4: vision statement for how we as a nation at a 598 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 4: federal level should address the climate crisis. But this I 599 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: read word for word several times, and the first time 600 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: I read it, I got to page ten and I 601 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: saw the first mention of the ocean in a list 602 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 4: of like things we should protect include blah blah blah 603 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: blah blah ocean, And I was like, that's all we get. 604 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: You guys were going to lose if we don't include 605 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: the ocean as a core part of our climate solutions, 606 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 4: Like we're just not going to get there. 607 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: And that wasn't good enough for doctor Johnson, so she 608 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: got together with some other climate experts that specialize in 609 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: the ocean and they decided to draft up their vision 610 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: for climate change that includes the ocean. 611 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 4: The three of us got together and wrote in a 612 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 4: bed called the Big Blue Gap in the Green New Deal, 613 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 4: and we're just like, y'all, you're missing it. Here's what 614 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: we think needs to be included. And so that's what 615 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 4: sort of started these discussions about a BLA New Deal 616 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 4: and what that would look like. And the idea is 617 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: that this is a supplement to the Green New Deal, 618 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 4: like we just want to make sure the ocean is included. 619 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: This is not a competing proposal, this is a you know, 620 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 4: an addition. 621 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the people like doctor Johnson doing 622 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: this type of work right informing folks. You know, I 623 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: think she makes some really good points just to help 624 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: us get through some misconceptions, just for us to see 625 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: how connected all of these systems are. 626 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: And it's just like with other things, once we get 627 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: past the first initial barriers that are very kind of 628 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: basic in our understanding of why the ocean is so important, 629 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: then we can really get to work. 630 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: You know what t t Even after that thing came 631 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: out for LA, I thought, I consider myself. 632 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: I said, hey, I'm a scientist. 633 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: There are certain facts I know, you know, but I 634 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: drive to work and it's too far to bike it's 635 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: too far to walk, But since I've been biking. 636 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: Girl, no it's not too far. 637 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: And when I realized in July that I hadn't gotten 638 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: any gas since March, and I was like, I don't 639 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: need to be so dependent on fossil fuels. There were 640 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: just so many little small things that I could see. 641 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: I'll give you another example. Since I've been home, I'm 642 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: not eating out right, I haven't been kind of ordering 643 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: things in. But what I've been noticing is the amount 644 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: of waste that I generate. So like I'm taking the 645 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: trash out and I'm looking like, did I make these 646 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: three bags of trash that are gonna go there? 647 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: Which has led me to come in a week in 648 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 3: a week. 649 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 2: That was something that I noticed about myself too, like 650 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: I use a lot of paper towels. Oh, I use 651 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: a lot of paper towels and napkins, Like it was 652 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: something that I knew about myself, Like when I would 653 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: go out to restaurants, I'd be like, yeah, I'm always 654 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: asking for more napkins and things like that, But then 655 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: being at home and realizing how many paper towels I 656 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: used for like for everything, even if it's just like, oh, 657 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: I need to. Oh, I splash some water on the 658 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: on the counter. I'll get a paper towel to wipe 659 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: it up. Like why when I could use like a 660 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: dish towel. Yes, And so I was creating a lot 661 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: of waste. So now I'm a lot more of it 662 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: and trying not to do that anymore. 663 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: And with anything where you see a little room for improvement, 664 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, it just makes you think what else? 665 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: Who's next? You know, what's next? What else can I do? 666 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: And so I can't wait to talk about some more 667 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: solutions now that I've seen how easy it is to 668 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: be an advocate of Earth in general. 669 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, little steps, little things done by a lot of 670 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: people can make huge impact. 671 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: Yes, what are the little steps for you? They might 672 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: not be the same as for me, But there are 673 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: so many steps. There are so many we could take. 674 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: That's it for Lab twenty eight, but we have so 675 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 2: much more for you to dig into on our website, 676 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: so head over to Dope Labs podcast dot com. 677 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: On our website you can find a cheat sheep for 678 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: today's lab, along with a ton of other links and 679 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: resources in the show. 680 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 2: Note and if you want to stay in the know 681 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 2: with Dope Labs. 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Dope Labs is 701 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 2: a production of Spotify and Mega Own. 702 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: Media Group, and it's executive produced by us T T 703 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: show Dia and Zakiah Wattley. But it seems like There's 704 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: something about returning to the water, like the ocean, that. 705 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: Just feels like Oh, like Mahanna said, who's it Moana? 706 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 5: Oh? 707 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: Molana? Yes, I was like who. 708 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: And here's a preview of doctor Johnson's upcoming podcast, How 709 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: to Save a Planet? 710 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 4: How screwed are We? 711 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 5: How screwed are we? 712 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 3: Oh? 713 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 4: How screwed are we? 714 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 6: WHOA? 715 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 4: How screwed are we? I'm Iyana Elizabeth Johnson. And when 716 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 4: people find out that I'm a climate expert, this is 717 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 4: their question. 718 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 5: I don't get asked that question. My name's Alex Bloomberg. 719 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 5: I make podcasts for a living, but I ask it 720 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 5: a lot when it comes to the climate and Aana. Lately, 721 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: we've been asking other. 722 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 7: People this question. 723 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 4: Turns out, the answer kind of depends on us. 724 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 5: Doctor Kate Marvel. 725 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 7: How screwed are we? 726 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 8: We can choose to be completely screwed if we want to, 727 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 8: but we also have the ability to limit the damage, 728 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 8: so we can choose whether we're screwed. 729 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 4: We're on team let's not screw ourselves. 730 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 5: Exactly, and that is why we're launching this podcast, How 731 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 5: to Save. 732 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 4: A Planet, a podcast that'll answer the following questions, What 733 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 4: are the key things we need to do to deal 734 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 4: with climate change, and how do we make those things happen. 735 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 5: We'll be talking to lots of people about the answers 736 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 5: to those questions, people working on climate solutions who never 737 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 5: imagine themselves doing this kind of work. 738 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 6: I remember being called an environmentalist and I was like, 739 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 6: I'm not an environmentalist. I'm gonna buy you girl, you know. 740 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 6: And they're like, well, you want us to do something 741 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 6: about the trees, and I'm like, everybody around here wants 742 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 6: you to do something about the trees. 743 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 3: I'm just a tree hugger. 744 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 6: I'm just being. 745 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 3: Metaphorically hugged tree. 746 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 5: We'll talk to experts about the solutions to climate change 747 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 5: that are already underway right now. 748 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 7: We're at the beginning of this huge boom of offshore 749 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 7: win the United States, and we're going to see hundreds 750 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 7: and thousands of offshore turbines deployed off the Atlantic seaboard 751 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 7: over the next decade. 752 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 4: And we'll look at how much better things will be 753 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 4: if we actually just deal with climate change and get 754 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 4: this transformation right. The move away from fossil fuels is 755 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 4: not going to be impossible. 756 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: It's not going to turn our lights off. 757 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 3: The move to a zero common future. 758 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: Is not just possible, but it's better. 759 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 5: On this podcast, we're going to be figuring out how 760 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 5: we build that better future together, one episode at a time. 761 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 4: How to Save a Planet from Gimmick goes live on August. 762 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 5: Twentieth with me Alex Bloomberg. 763 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 4: And me doctor Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. 764 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 5: Please follow and listen for free on Spotify. 765 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 4: Because Earthlings, We've got work to do.