1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Greece. A gorgeous young woman, twenty 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: seven year old Shana Hubers seemingly has it all beautiful, 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: long chestnut colored hair, big brown eyes, perfect teeth. I 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: wonder how much that cost her parents. Well, she's not 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: graduating from graduate school, she's not planning her wedding, she's 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: not starting her first job. She's all dressed up in 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: a tailor made suit, a christ Oxford shirt for court, 8 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: and she just broke down in tears, sobbing, as three 9 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: cell mates claim she quote cackled laughed after shooting her 10 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: boyfriend and the face when he dumped her for a 11 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: date with Miss Ohio. I, Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. 12 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Man. It never ends 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: with Shana Hubers. Shanna Huber's twenty seven years old accused 14 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: of cackling as she guns down her boyfriend and up 15 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: and coming young lawyer parents so proud of him, Ryan posting, 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: shooting him six times, including once in the face, just 17 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: before he was headed out on a date to meet 18 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: with literally miss Ohio. That would be Audrey Bolt for 19 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: a date. Okay, uh, that's quite the coincidence in the timing, 20 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: But you know what. Let's see what we can learn. 21 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this, ma'am, I have, I haven't cool, 22 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: I killed my boyfriend inself Okay, where are you up? 23 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm not twelve metally well stop it right there, allen guys, 24 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: did you hear that? Jim Elliott joining me? Uh? City 25 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: attorney well known in his region around the one Robbins area. Uh, 26 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Jim Elliott? Did you hear that? She says, uh, I 27 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: shot my boyfriend in self defense, and the dispatcher, the 28 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: dispatcher says, m M, where are you? Did you hear that? 29 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: I mean she's already putting out her defense right there, 30 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: not like hurry, hurry, hurry, can you save him? Can 31 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: you say she's like, I shot him in a self defense? 32 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Jim Elliott? Absolutely? Absolutely, And she 33 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: was prepared for that call. She scripted that before she 34 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: called in obviously. Okay, sorry about that, Alan Duke. I 35 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: gotta hear more of this nine one one call. Roll 36 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: that beautiful sound, ma'am, I have, I haven't I killed 37 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: my boyfriend and self defense. Okay, where are you up? 38 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm not well? Meadow lane h four seven seconds twelve 39 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: medal lane are you in a house, an apartment there, apartment, apartment? 40 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: Does it meadow anything else? Meto of you or something? 41 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: It's my children? Okay, okay, okay, tell me again, tell 42 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: me again. I mean to stop it again. Alan, I'm 43 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: so sorry. But is she laughing or crying? I mean 44 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. There's 45 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: a dead body, her boyfriend that she had intended on marrying. 46 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: She shot him six times. There's no question about that, 47 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: she says in self defense. Amazingly, she doesn't have a 48 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: bruise or a scratch on her body. But long story short, 49 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: is she laughing or crying? I don't know. I couldn't. 50 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: It sounded like she was kind of cackling right there. 51 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I know exactly as she lords over his body. 52 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: That's I've been, you know, shot multiple times. Hold on 53 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: joining me right now. In addition to city Attorney Jim Elliott, 54 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: Francie Haigs joining me, former federal prosecutor Francy Between the 55 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: three of us, we've tried enough murder cases. But I 56 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I can't tell if she's laughing or crying. Laughing highly inappropriate. 57 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: On a nine one one call, Nancy there's no doubt 58 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: that she is highly inappropriate. This was a cold blooded killing. 59 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like and she's, as you said earlier, 60 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: she is building a nerd defense right there from the 61 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: nine one one call. Well, according to her salemates Francie Haigs, 62 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: she bragged behind bars that she quote gave Posting the 63 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: nose job he always wanted, she did, and by shooting 64 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: him in the face, well, exactly how cold blooded is that. 65 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: She was obviously bitter that he was breaking up with 66 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: her and she was having none of it. You don't 67 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: break up with Shaney Hubers, she kills you instead. Mmmmm. Okay, guys, 68 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: I love playing nine one one call for a jury. 69 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: It really takes you. And then back to the moment 70 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: when everything went down. It's a it's a treasure trove 71 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: of information. Alan, Sorry, let's hear some more of that 72 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: nine one one call. Okay, Okay, tell me again, tell 73 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: me again what you know you're in. It's not showing 74 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: my computer. Okay, you're a twelve middle lane you did 75 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: number ten? Okay, hold on, hold on, what did you 76 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: heal him with? God alone can tell me where the 77 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: gun is? Right now, gun, we're at the man, tell 78 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: me where it's up. I laid on the book we're at, 79 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: laid on the shelf on the book. It's where are you? 80 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Okay, are you sure that he is said, okay, 81 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: stop right there, stop right there? Alan, Sorry. Yeah, she 82 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: shot him six times, including in the face. He's he's dead, 83 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: a loaded gun in the house. Guys. Uh Shane of 84 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: Hubres and Posting have been dating about a year and 85 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: a half after meeting first on Facebook, and her selmates 86 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: take the stand and tell the jury that she never 87 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 1: was um sorry or repentant about the killing, and still 88 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: to this day, behind Bars believes she was right on 89 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: for killing Posting because he had not dumped her, but 90 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: was dating somebody else. First date for also a former 91 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: Miss USA, and I gotta tell you the woman he 92 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: was going out with is absolutely beautiful. We reconnected through 93 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Facebook and then we started texting back and forth and 94 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: then planned a date tweet up. The selmates say that 95 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: they overheard he was on the phone with her mother 96 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: saying that the victim, Brian Poston's family was quote rich 97 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: enough to go buy another son, rich enough to go 98 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: by another son to Dr Chloe Carmichael New York psychologist 99 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: and founder of Transformation Products dot Com. Dr Chloe Wow, 100 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: what a callous disregard. If I, if I were sitting 101 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 1: on the jerky, I was just cringe. As John David, 102 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: my ten year old son says, that's very cringe. E Mom, 103 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: they're rich enough to buy another son? And well, it 104 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: certainly is. And it also really speaks to the idea 105 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: that this life was disposable. You know, that this is 106 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: just um something that happened that other people can be 107 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: responsible for, that she would be avoiding responsibility for it. 108 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: And it also speaks, I think to a certain amount 109 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: of anger, whether it was about seeing get him the 110 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: nose job he always wanted, or that family would be, 111 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, just rich enough to buy another son. This 112 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: doesn't um feel like it's coming from a place of 113 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: of grief and sadness and and lost the way that 114 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: something would if if that was truly a tragic situation 115 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that she didn't actually want to initiate joining me. Also, 116 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: in addition to Francie Haiggs, Joe's Got Morgan, Dr Chloe 117 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: Carmichael and Crime Online dot com investigative reporter John Limley 118 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: is the city attorney for one of Robbins, Georgia, Jim, 119 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: why is it so important that you get to play 120 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: that nine one one call to the jury, because it's 121 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: going to show with her immediate, um, her immediate her 122 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: mindset at that moment, and sort of the spills. I 123 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: think this defense that she had already begun crafty from 124 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: the very beginning. Yeah, you're right crafting it at the beginning. 125 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: It started with the nine one one call. And another 126 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: thing about that Francy Higgs, former federal prosecutor with titles 127 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: so long I can't even even say them all, Francy. 128 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: Another thing is, uh, what she says that on the 129 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: nine one one call, they're stuck with it. They can't 130 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: then change their mind and say an intruder did it 131 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: or some other crazy theory. They're stuck with defense. Well, 132 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: that's right, Nancy. And that's what we're seeing now that's 133 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: so different from her first trial is she's now got 134 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: a new defense. So I don't think that Shaney Hubert 135 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: feels like she's locked into her nine on one call 136 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: at all. But I'm certain that the jury will feel 137 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: that that the lack of emotion, the false note in 138 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: that nine one one call, and the fact that the 139 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: scene doesn't match what she's saying. Are all factors of 140 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the defense is stuck with Listen. There's times that she 141 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: would throw things around the apartment to make it seem 142 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: like there was a fight going on between her and Ryan, 143 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: and was Mr posting even whole when she was doing that, 144 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: she was crying, and she told me that she did 145 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: not want me to judge her. Tell the jury what 146 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: she said about how the shooting took place. She told 147 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: me that they were sitting at the kitchen table and 148 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: he was sitting at the table, and he had set 149 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: his gun on the table, and she picked up the 150 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: gun and said, what would you do it by? And 151 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: that he smirked at her, and she shot him. Did 152 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: the defendant tell you that Ryan post and beat her? 153 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: She did at first, and then what happened she changed 154 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: her story? Okay? What did she say that she was 155 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: the aggressor? Okay? Are you sure that he is dead? 156 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: He's completely dead? Okay? And how long ago did you 157 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: shoot him? I don't know, not even that long fifteen 158 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: minutes ago? So yeah, okay, what's your name? My name 159 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: is Sana Michelle Uberger. I'm sorry, what is it again? 160 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: Tell me traina Sana Michelle uber ber Line. I'm getting 161 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: uber pup, you are asked, Hubert. Okay, what's what's your name? 162 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: Against Shane or Sana Shana? I think alright, Shane, I'm 163 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: just having a our time here you Okay, Sorry, you're 164 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: gonna nail on one. Listen, You're gonna stay on the 165 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: line with me, okay, because this is what we're gonna do. 166 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: The officers from want me to stay on the line 167 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: with you, so when you get and when they get there, 168 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to know where that gun is and 169 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: we want you to get out safely to Okay, okay? 170 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: Are they gonna rest me, ma'am? I don't know what 171 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: they'll do. We're gonna send cind him out. I'm gonna 172 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: stay on line with you, okay, Alan, did you hear that? 173 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Are they going to arrest me? I mean that's already 174 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: where her mind is not that he's dead Lie either 175 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: on the floor with six gunshot wounds, including one to 176 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: the face where she quote gave him the nose job 177 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: he always wanted. If you could see a shot of 178 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Ryan posting handsome beautiful smile had finally made it through 179 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: law school, was out with a great job. Parents so proud. 180 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: I mean, can you even imagine Listen being bullied. He 181 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: didn't like people he treated unfairly. He always defended the 182 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: defenseless the time he was six to an attorney, How 183 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: is that people would asked me about my child. I 184 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that he was beautiful? Do you know he 185 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: was when he was brand Even my son has a heart? 186 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Jo's got Morgan, you got that gorgeous son. Can you 187 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: imagine him graduating one day from law school or med 188 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: school or some other very impressive thing. Parents so proud, 189 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: and then he colloped hides with Shana Hubers. No, I can't. 190 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: And that's why we're always warning him. Be careful who 191 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: you connect with out there, Nancy. You never know what 192 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna get. Well, Jim Elliott, you know the old 193 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: saying coming from my neck of the woods. You lay 194 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: down with the dog, you wake up with a flea. Absolutely, 195 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: and you know you just have to be cautious of 196 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: the kind of people you're meeting online and do some 197 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: backrond investigation. Don't be dealing. You're right, Jim, But you know, 198 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you don't think when you think you're in love 199 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: with somebody, or you're dating somebody, or you're infatuating. You 200 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: don't think, gee, I need to run a background check 201 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: on this one or find out more. But I can 202 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: tell you right at the get go, as soon as 203 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: he found out or if he found out she was 204 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: logging onto his Facebook to block other women that were 205 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: trying to contact him, or that we're conversing with him. Uh, 206 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: there is evidentiary proof, forensic proof that Hubers embarded him 207 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: with a hundred texts for everyone he sent her after 208 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: one of their regular breakups. And to Dr Chloe Carmichael, 209 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: New York psychologist, Dr Chloe look at the pattern they 210 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: break up. She would literally send him a hundred texts, 211 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: one hundred text for every one text he sent her 212 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: after quote one of their regular breakup. So it sounds 213 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: like he was trying to break up over and over 214 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: and over. Yes, Nancy, that certainly does sound that way. 215 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: And it also sounds like she's having issues with impulsivity, 216 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: so impulse control. Nobody very rarely actually wants to be 217 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: sending someone a hundred texts. They usually send after the 218 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: third text they say, I want to walk away from this, 219 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling good. I want to end this. I'm 220 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: getting out of this, but then they can't help themselves 221 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: and they keep going back. And I ask you another question. 222 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Dr Chloe, Um and the rest of you, man just 223 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: close your ears. This is for Francy and Dr Chloe. 224 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed men are not very leasie? Well, 225 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: they don't have much to say very often. That's one 226 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: thing I appreciate equality I love about my husband. He 227 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: says practically nothing. I mean, after a long day arguing 228 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: with the likes of Jim Elliott, Joe Scott Morgan and 229 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: John Limley and Alan, do you know I don't need 230 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: to hear have another man tune up when I'm trying 231 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: to cook supper. All right, I don't need to hear it. 232 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: But have you noticed, like, what's that word? They're not 233 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: very verbal? So here she she sends a hundred texts. 234 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: He sends one text Dr Chloe that tells me he's 235 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: just not into her. Right, It's it's not only that 236 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: he's not into her, but that he's putting up a boundary. 237 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: He's trying to not have communication, and she is unable 238 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: or unwilling to respect that by sending bombarding him with 239 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: all those two Dr Chloe. Dr Chloe. If some if 240 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: a guy would sends me ten texts to my one text, 241 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: I am done with that. That's a that's too clingy. 242 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, stop it. I do not like long text 243 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: as Alan and Jackie. Well, no, I'm like, I'm sorry. 244 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't read that. It was over three sentences. You'll 245 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: have to You'll have to condense that. Uh don't have time. 246 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: So a hundred texts? Are you kidding me? She would 247 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: have gotten the boot and I mean the steel toed 248 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: cowboy boot. After the tenth text. That's over. Stop it, 249 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: Get out of my life. What wrong? Harsh? Is that wrong? Francy? No, Nancy, 250 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: I think you've got a great point. Shaney Huberts is 251 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: all about Shaney Hubert and her obsessive text to him, 252 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: her behavior in trying to control him and his Facebook 253 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: page contacts, and his text to people saying she just 254 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: won't leave. In combination with her saying on the nine 255 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: one one call are they going to arrest me? When 256 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: he's lying still bleeding on the floor from her attack, 257 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: tells us that Shana is all about Shana. Listen to this, 258 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: said dad. She will not leave my house, he said, 259 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Can I spend the night here, and I said absolutely. 260 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I said, but I said, Ryan, at your house. I 261 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: make her leave your house and said, Dad, this is 262 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: it's just easier this way, you know, Alan joining me 263 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: from your posh pad in l A Alan, I really 264 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: do want to get to her singing amazing grace during 265 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: her police interview. Also we know that she calls her 266 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: mother and sobs into the phone, but also breaks into 267 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: song occasionally. But I've got to hear more of the 268 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: n I on one tape. Give me some more. How 269 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: beat me and tried to turn me out of the 270 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: house and I can't in to get my things, and 271 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: he was bid and he raised down and grabbed the 272 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: guy and I probed out his hand. Okay, all right, 273 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: do you need an ambulance? Have you been injured? I'm 274 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: not injured me and I was thrown into the side 275 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: of the couch. Okay and wait, man, I'm sorry. I 276 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: hate to keep interrupting Alan, Do hello help me out here? 277 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, this is a quote self defense case. 278 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Did I not hear her just say I'm not injured? Yes, yeah, 279 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I guess her maybe her ego was injured. 280 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Uh, but yeah, it's self defense. 281 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: It's so self defense. You know, she shot this guy 282 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: six times, Nancy six times? Is it true? To John Limley? Uh, 283 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with crime online dot Com, where you can 284 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: find this and every other breaking crime and justice story 285 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: that the cops we're looking at messages text messages to 286 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: Ryan that would insult his ability as a lawyer. Accused 287 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: him of, let me just say euphemistically, lacking and sexual 288 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: prowess mm hmm okay, and we know what that is. 289 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: And then uh, I lose the beer gut and get 290 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: better at your job, was one of the messages read 291 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: out loud in court from this unknown phone number. Well, 292 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: of course they tracked the number. It was revealed in 293 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: court that was a female friend that Hebrews lived with. 294 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: So Hebrews was either getting the friend's phone and sending 295 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: these really main text messages to him, or getting the 296 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: friend to do it, John Linley, is that true? That 297 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: is exactly true? Uh. That was one of those one 298 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: text messages she would send for his everyone, um long 299 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: before she called one on her cell phone. All day 300 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: long on this early October day, she had been texting 301 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: Ryan because he had just broken up with her for 302 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: what he had hoped would be the last time they 303 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: in their short eighteen month relationship. They had broken up 304 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: and gotten back together seve world times, and on this 305 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: October day, Ryan felt that maybe this was all behind him. 306 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: He had this date with a beauty queen, literally Miss Ohio. 307 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: She was also second runner up to Miss America. Unfortunately, 308 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: he would never make it to that date or even 309 00:20:18,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: meet Aubrey. M hm oh oh h thank you. Mm hmmmm, Okay, 310 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: I just had to play that you are listening to 311 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: crime stories, I meanancy grace, thank you for being with us. 312 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: And that was miss Shana Huber's singing or humming amazing 313 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: grace during her police interview. Uh, she's charged with gunning 314 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: down her boyfriend, Ryan Posting, a young, aspiring lawyer, because 315 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: he broke up with her and had a date that 316 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: night and was going to have a date that night 317 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: with Miss Ohio. Well, that date never happened because Ryan 318 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: Posting was gunned down in his own home six times 319 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: to the face, neck and head. She was unscathed, but 320 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: called nine one one and immediately said it was self defense. 321 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: The nine when one operators like mm hmmmm, Well, her 322 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: singing in the interrogation room or humming. I noticed she 323 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't hit the high note, but that's neither here nor there. 324 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: Reminded me of someone near and dear to all of 325 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: our hearts. Where would we be without Jody Arius? Listen, 326 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Oh holy night, the stars are brightly shocking. It is 327 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: a night of our dear saviors. First, longly who world 328 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: and sin and error poggy until he appeared and the 329 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: soul found it word a thrill, love home. The weary 330 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: world rejoices for y'all. Ah on your knees. Oh he 331 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: angel boys, Oh no, dee by no no, when Christ 332 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: was born? Oh no, dee by no, Oh no, dear by. 333 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: That was Jodi Arias also charged, but she's convicted with 334 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: the murder of her boyfriend, Travis Alexander. She stabbed him, 335 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: let's see. I think it was about twenty eight times 336 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: and kept it off with a shot to the head, 337 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: leaving his body to decompose in the shower because he 338 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: broke up with her and was having a destination date 339 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: with another woman to Cancum. So what the psychopathy is 340 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: behind all of this? I can't tell you that, but 341 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: I do know what I'm learning in the name on 342 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: one call. Also in court, several salemates come forward to 343 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: say she actually quote cackled when talking about shooting Ryan, 344 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: posting her then boyfriend that he quote deserved it as 345 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: she had given him the quote nos job he always wanted. 346 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: That's uh, certainly a unique way of describing shooting someone 347 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: directly in the face. Joining me former federal prosecutor Francie Haigs, 348 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: the city attorney in one of Robbins, Jim Elliott, Joseph 349 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, renowned death investigator, Dr Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist, 350 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: founder of Transformation Products dot com, and John Linley Crime 351 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter. So she's being retried right now. 352 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: The first trial was reversed to Francy Haigs, former federal prosecutor. 353 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: She's in court right now. But how did she land 354 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: back in court? Why was the first trial reversed? She's 355 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: got a chance of walking, Francy, she does Nanthy. All 356 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: that work by the jury and the prosecutors, the judge 357 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: and everybody in the first trial is undone because a 358 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: juror lied to the court and had a felony conviction 359 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: and didn't tell anybody with a felony conviction, you are ineligible, 360 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: generally speaking, to serve on a jury. So because of 361 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: that convicted felon, Shaney, Huberts gets a chance, another shot 362 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: to walk free, even though she has killed her boyfriend. 363 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: The former University of Kentucky psychology major admits to shooting 364 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: her boyfriend in his Ohio apartment, but claims she did 365 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: so in self defense. Don't you think to Joseph Scott 366 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: Morgan that a bruise, uh, a scrape, anything would have 367 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: helped her in that self defense claim? Yeah? Again, I 368 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: don't know what she's defending against. Harsh words, rejection, what 369 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: is it? I don't think her last name ought to 370 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: be huge, vers it ought to be humorous. Uh. You 371 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: know you look at this and you think that she 372 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: would be covered in bruises. My got you shot the 373 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: guy six times, Nancy six times? Well as that I 374 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: recalled from the very first trial to city Attorney Jim Elliott. 375 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: She claimed there had been a ferocious fight, like hand 376 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: to hand mutual combat in the dining room, living room 377 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: area of his penthouse apartment. However, I noticed that on 378 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: the shelves, the bookshelves where she said the fight occurred, 379 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: that she had fallen against the shelf less as I 380 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: recall it, there were uh quarters, as I recall, stacked up, 381 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: still stacked, and there were some bullets and I don't 382 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: know if they were antique or what they were, but 383 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: they were still sitting straight up like a rocket. They 384 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: had not fallen over on that bookshelf. If he had 385 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: thrown her into the bookshelf, wouldn't any wouldn't have anything 386 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: on the bookshelf, have been uh disarranged her certainly just 387 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: because out as well. But lack of physical evidence of 388 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: her body that you know, I mean, that's just a 389 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: contrived story. What about it, Francy Hags, what do you 390 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: make of it? Well, Nancy, you recall from the nine 391 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: one tape that she specifically told the nine one one 392 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: operator he was beating me and then I shot him. 393 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: The physical evidence not just in the apartment but on 394 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: but the lack of it on her body puts the 395 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: lie to that claim from her. And can I just 396 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: also say, her sitting there in custody sinking amazing grace 397 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: shows you her mental state at that time that she 398 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: view to herself as the victim. She gave no thought 399 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: to her ex boyfriend Ryan Post, and she thought only 400 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: of herself in that moment. Take a listen to this, 401 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: and you know I wasn't doing anything that was me 402 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: and I was like begging him to stay in the 403 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: relationship and be with me because I you that we 404 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: weren't really loving each other, you know right, It told 405 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: me that he loved me and wanted it be with me, 406 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: and I guess somewhere along the way that greda hate. 407 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: He was screaming how much he can I don't know 408 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: if anyone will ever want to marry me if they 409 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: killed my boyfriend and self. M it's not funny, but 410 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: the stuff he was saying, that he was so abusive 411 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: while he was throwing me around the room, I'll never 412 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: m h. I think in the midst of that my 413 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: love trying to hate. I remember screaming reaching up to 414 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: grab the ship. You haven't here my family out there, 415 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: talk Please plea stick my mother, Okay, woy. If they 416 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: don't get any serious, can say I could really be 417 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: happy he's just having a career, maybe not even ever 418 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: getting married. Because this is very traumatic. You know you 419 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: are hearing Shana Hubrew's own sworn statement. She's still talking 420 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: about the relationship and getting married. Hello, he's dead. You 421 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: shot him six times in one text, it was revealed. 422 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: She says, quote he says he's only with me because 423 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: I make him feel so awful about it when I cry. 424 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: He had tried to break up many, many times. Well 425 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: they're separated, now, why don't I hear he wanted? I 426 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: recall Ryan standing over me and grabbing the gun that 427 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: was sitting on the table and pointing it at me 428 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: and saying, I could just kill me right now and 429 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: get away with it. Nobody would even know. How did 430 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: you react to that? I was I was shocked, I 431 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: was afraid, and he was reaching across the table and 432 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was reaching for the gun 433 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: or reaching for me. But I was still sitting on 434 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: the floor at this point in time. And I got 435 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: up off the floor and I grabbed a gun and 436 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: I shot him, and he was first shot. He let 437 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: out a really loud noise that sounded like an animal. 438 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: It sounded like a bear, some type of wild animal. 439 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: It really freaked me out. You are hearing SHANEA. Hubrew's testimony. 440 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: She is describing what happened when she shot her boyfriend dead. 441 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: Six bullets. She claims self defense. I wanna tell you something. 442 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: I want to reveal something that um came out Ryan postings. 443 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: Exasperation was growing. He didn't know what to do, and 444 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: he wrote a text to cousin, quote, this is getting 445 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: to be restraining order level crazy. She's shown up at 446 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: my condo like three times. She refuses to leave each time. Uh, 447 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: he writes, Literally, probably the craziest effing person I have 448 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: ever met. She almost scares me. You know that's a 449 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: big clue, Francie haigs that you need to break up 450 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: and get that restraining order. When you think maybe I 451 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: should get a restraining order, it's time to get a 452 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: restraining order. If you're at that level, it really is Nancy. 453 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that because he was a man, 454 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: it really didn't occur to him that he could be 455 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: in physical danger. And so he died. He died for 456 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: the mistake and not understanding understandably, so not understanding who 457 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: she was and what she was capable of. But that 458 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: text to his between friends was a cry for help. 459 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: And if he had been a woman, if the shoe 460 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: was on the other foot, if he'd been a him 461 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: and dealing with a man with this kind of aggressive, 462 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: crazy behavior. I don't doubt for a minute that there 463 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: would have been some kind of court action and police 464 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: called before. Now, well, interesting to you, Jim Elliott, city 465 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: attorney for one of Robbins, She says to nine on one, 466 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: as Joe Scott Morgan is pointed out, he beat me 467 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: and tried to carry me out of the house, and 468 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: I came back to get my things. He was right 469 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: in front of me, reached down and grabbed the gun. 470 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: I grabbed out of his hand and pulled the trigger. 471 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: So she says, he beat me, but there are no 472 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: bruises or marks on her body. Nine on one, how 473 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: long ago did you shoot him? Huber's I don't know. 474 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: Fifteen ten, fifteen minutes ago, operator, fifteen minutes ago. Yeah, 475 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: so let me ask you, why, Jim, does she wait 476 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to call nine one one? Put together the 477 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: little scenes. You're creative and probably come up with a 478 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: story that you're going to tell, and and all those 479 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: details that we just heard, that's how the story that 480 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: she um crafted up. So, yeah, she needed to take 481 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: a beat and come up with that story. You're absolutely right, 482 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Jim Elliott. Let's take a Listen to what she says 483 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: in her testimony about why she shot Ryan Posting six times. Listen. 484 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: One was that when I first shot him, he let 485 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: out a really loud noise that sounded like an animal. 486 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: It was a very animalistic noise that scared me. It 487 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: freaked me out. I also, when I first shot him, 488 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: wasn't sure where the shots had entered or if I 489 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: had just made him more angry and therefore he was 490 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 1: more of a threat and would just it would make 491 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: the situation even more severe. And then thirdly, I had 492 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: the mistaken belief that there was another gun on the table. 493 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: And you know now that there wasn't another gun on 494 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: the table, but at the time I thought that there was, 495 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: and you were concerned enough for Mr post and that 496 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure he didn't have to live 497 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: with a deformed face or true. Listen, we have a 498 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: shot to the head which is um administered to the 499 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: head and is incapacitating with no stifling at a distance, 500 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: which puts the victim down on his face on the table. 501 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: At that point, the suspect moves forward. The victim was 502 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: alive for all of the shots, so I believe the 503 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: first three shots into themselves were very damaging, but he 504 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: remained alive until the last show was given. Another thing 505 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: coming out in testimony, there was a lieutenant for Nash 506 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: and he asked he do you smoke? And she says, well, 507 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: I will if I can. And according to the Highland 508 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: Highest Police Chief Barkenhauer, as the lieutenant four Nash started 509 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: to walk out to go get her a cigarette, she 510 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: started making noise that she was crying or wailing, wailing, crying, 511 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: and as soon as for Nash walked out, she stopped immediately, 512 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: according to Chief Brokenhawer. And the Chief was immediately suspicious 513 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: and says, quote she cut it off like a light switch, 514 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: exactly like a light switch. And the Chief says, right 515 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: off the bat, she I knew she was pretending. She 516 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: wasn't crying. There were no tears coming out of her eyes. 517 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: She was just faking it. It's it's incredible And with 518 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: that knowledge, I want to go back to the nine 519 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: one one call. But to John Limley, is it true 520 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: that in court the prosecution has been calling a series 521 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: of salemates who all say she kind of brags about 522 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: shooting posts. She certainly did. In fact, she told a 523 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: number of them you know, she even went through her 524 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: whole defense that she was going to uh put forth. 525 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: You know, she thought, well, maybe insanity, but no, maybe 526 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: I should be you know, a battered partner. Maybe that 527 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: would be my best defense. And they said that she 528 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: would laugh at just the most odd points in the 529 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: story is she would recount to these cellmates what happened 530 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: on the ninth that she killed Ryan. Listen to this. 531 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: She got there and they started arguing, and she was 532 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: throwing stuff around, being loud, making it look like he 533 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: was abusing her. So people would hear that. He was 534 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: sitting at the table and she stood in front of 535 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: him and shot him once. And then she didn't think 536 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: that did it, So she walked around to the other 537 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: side and shot him again, and then to the other 538 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: side and shot the other shots. She'd be on the 539 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: phone and she'd cry and sing and she was being recorded, 540 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: and then she'd get off the phone and she'd wink 541 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: at us and smile and tell us she was such 542 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: a good actress. I want you to wait. In Joseph's 543 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: got Morgan death in stigator and professor of forensics at 544 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University just got what forensic evidence could prove 545 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: or disprove her story. I think probably the key here. 546 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: Obviously we've talked about the absence of injuries on her body. 547 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: I think one of the key things here is going 548 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: to be range of fire relative to these gunshot wounds, Nancy, 549 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: either the absence or the presence of gunpowder residue on 550 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: his body. If she's shooting at him from a distance, uh, 551 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: like you know, you would you would? That's not compatible 552 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: with like close combat. Uh, then that that kind of 553 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: blows this whole, this whole thing out of the water. Also, uh, 554 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: you know when did the shot occur? When she shot 555 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: him in the face? Had he already and this is 556 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: really this is oh my god, this is horrible. But 557 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: had she already shot him multiple times? He's in a 558 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: uh diminished position, he looks up at her, and then 559 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: she finishes him by shooting him in the face, you know, 560 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: the infamous nose job. Here, she is essentially the trajectory 561 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: or line of fire is going to go from above 562 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: to below. And this is a kill shot that you're 563 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: talking about, like an execution, Nancy. And I think that 564 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: that's going to be driven home as we as we 565 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: move forward with this, Well, you're absolutely right. In that 566 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: police interrogation video, hebrew says, quote, and he was laying 567 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: with his face on the table, like twitching, and so 568 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: I knew he was going to die. My point is 569 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: he's sitting in a chair at the table, and they 570 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: can tell that from the blood evidence dripping down on 571 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: the table and pulling in the chair. So he was 572 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: sitting down. This is no self defense and quote and 573 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: I watched her on the table and I think that's 574 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: when I shot him in the head. He was seated 575 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: at the table, Joe Scott quote. I shot him probably 576 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: six times in the head. He fell onto the ground. 577 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: He was like laying like this, and she gets down 578 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: on the floor. His glasses were still on. He was 579 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: twitching some more. I shot him a couple of more 580 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: times just to make sure he was dead, because I 581 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to watch him die. Yeah, it would have 582 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: been very inconvenient for her to sit there and and 583 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: and watch him die. Well, listen to what the prosecution says. Yes, 584 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: I want to hear Shane Hubers tell police that all 585 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: she wanted to do was pack of things and leave. 586 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: But the evidence in this case, in the weeks ahead, 587 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: he's going to show you that it was never Shane's 588 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: intent to leave. It was to see that Ryan couldn't. 589 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: What Shannon Hubers did to Ryan posting on October twelfth, 590 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, was murder, nothing less, And at the 591 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: conclusion of this case, the Commonwealth is going to ask 592 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: you to find her guilty of murder, nothing less. We 593 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds in the court of law. Nancy 594 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.