1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. I'm so excited to talk 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: to Norma Comali, someone who is a friend, who is 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: a role model, and it is just one of the 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: coolest women I have ever met. I'm lucky enough to 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: have met her professionally, had dinner with her many times, 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: and honestly, there's not many women I look up to 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: to get all this energy like. She's just done so 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: much and what you guys probably don't know about her 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: she designed the famous Farah Fawcet red bathing suit that 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: that you know of her running across the beach. She's 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: done so much I'll never be able to get all 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: of it in this interview. But the woman is amazing. 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: You guys have to know her. So here is my 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: conversation with Norma Molly, Hey, Norma, how are you? I'm good? 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: First of all, when I was reading my notes on 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: you and Norman and I are friends. We have a 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: newer friendship along knowing each other, but a newer friendship. 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know you were engaged. Congratulations it's true. Yeah, finally, Um, 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: you know I got married at nineteen and divorced at 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: twenty nine, and I figured I did that. I don't 22 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: think I need to get married again, and I really 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: had no intention, but um, at seventy five, I figured whatever, 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: why not? So but you have you've been with Marty 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: for how long? Hen years? Okay? For first of all, 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: her fiance is one of the most amazing, remarkable men 27 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: that I've met, Like, full of energy. You're with someone 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: pretty amazing too. So we really are women who are 29 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: strong and committed. Don't find it easy to find men 30 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: who are strong enough to deal with their intensity or 31 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: their you know, passion, and we both are super lucky 32 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: that we have that we are. But the other thing 33 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: you said, which I just don't even understand, when you 34 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: say you're seventy five, I mean I'm sixty three and 35 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: people always say to me, well, sixty three, you don't 36 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: look at you don't act, And I'm like, you are 37 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: the only person I know that is my role model, honestly, 38 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: because I you know, I don't have that many older 39 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: friends that are spectacular. You know you're spectacular. Well that's 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: very sweet, But Bobby, the idea. First of all, do 41 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: you do you think of yourself as six D three 42 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: in the number no, I mean, look at you. There's 43 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: nobody quite frankly our The generations that came before me 44 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: especially are older, and they had different circumstances. I think 45 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: it's very important, and I do this all the time. 46 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: I ask everybody their age, and I feel entitled to 47 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: since I'm seventy five and I just say I'm seventy five. 48 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: So the fact that you said sixty three and said 49 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: it without hesitation is a really important message to send 50 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: to other women. That and and part of my book 51 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: is about aging with power and as long as you 52 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: feel good about what you're doing and yourself, and that 53 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it doesn't come with challenges. Your age is 54 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: really your badge of honor, and living a healthy lifestyle 55 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: island doing things that benefit you give you the power 56 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: and the strength to wear that badge of honor. So 57 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of being my age and being relevant 58 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: and enjoying new challenges. And look at you. I mean 59 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: it's like, why not at sixty three be doing all 60 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: of these things redoing I mean the makeup you're doing 61 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: now I love more than ever. I think it's amazing. 62 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: And you're reinventing a product category as you did the 63 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: first time around, and it looks great and you're sixty three, 64 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah right, I don't I right, You're right. 65 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: I don't think about it, and I'm not going to 66 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: think about it. Honestly, this conversation is not just about aging. 67 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: But I have so many questions I want to hear 68 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: all about the book. But how did you meet Marty 69 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: at sixty five years old? Well? Ian Traeger has has 70 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: been a friend of mine forever. Obviously, we dated and 71 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: we're together during studio before and remained best friends. And 72 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: he never introduced me to anybody all the years. He 73 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: thought every guy I went out with was just like 74 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: the worst human being, But he never offered any life 75 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: great up, great, Where is the great opportunity here if 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: you think they're so terrible? So one day he said 77 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: I had somebody I want you to meet, and I 78 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: thought it was for a business opportunity or something, and 79 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: I said okay, And then after asking a few questions, 80 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: it was actually somebody that he thought I should meet, 81 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I didn't think he would be capable 82 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: was really introducing me to somebody the right person. So, yeah, 83 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: at sixty five, go figure, I meet my soul me 84 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: And is it true that in a straw Aledger once 85 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: said you were going to meet the lovelier life at 86 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: that's crazy, but but it's in the context of being. 87 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: It was nineteen seventy when this, so I freaked out 88 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: and I said, um, I don't think you know, I 89 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: don't think this is right. I can't believe it. And 90 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: then there it was. I figured, you know, I have 91 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: a lot of great friends. I date pretty nice people 92 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: that are interesting, fun, but none of them we're in 93 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: the soulmate category. And then sixty five I was like, 94 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: I called her and I said, okay, and you still 95 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: you still see her? Yes, Oh, I might have to. 96 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: I might have to get her. I've never ever used 97 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: an astrologer or never never know. Never. Well, if they're good, 98 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: they're really good. Huh, they're really I am definitely open. Now, 99 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: you've been a designer for fifty years, which I hate 100 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: even saying that because it just sounds like what I know. 101 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: And you still own your own business. You're probably the 102 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: only one that never that never did and you're still 103 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: joyfully doing it. Correct. I just love it. I don't 104 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: have the personality to do one thing, so it's amazing 105 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: that I've had the same job for fifty three years, 106 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: but the job changes according to the way I approached 107 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: things or my interests. I never thought I was a 108 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: good businesswoman. I never thought that I was capable. In 109 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: the seventies, sixties and seventies, that's not what women did. 110 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: But I realized I love it and I actually am 111 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: pretty good at it, and and I don't have any partners. 112 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: Um pretty much doing okay, and we've gotten through COVID 113 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: pretty good too. So my involvement is because I love 114 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: living up of passionately creative life. And I still make patterns, 115 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: I still do the designing. I love it. So I'm 116 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: very lucky. I'm living the life that I wanted to 117 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: to have, and that's a creative life. So could you 118 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: tell everyone the story of your famous coat? You're sleeping 119 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: bag coat. So not everyone who's listening knows you for that, 120 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: all right, So what is the story? So? Um, In 121 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: the seventies, I used to go camping a lot, you know. 122 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: It was hippy, dippy, flower child time, and and one 123 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: night I was in my sleeping bag in a tent 124 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: and I was having to go to the bathroom and 125 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: it was so coldly idea of getting out of my 126 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: sleeping bag was just not appealing, and so I just 127 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: put it over me. And as I'm walking in the woods, 128 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I need to go home and put some 129 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: sleeves on this thing, and I did. I literally am 130 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: still using the same pattern for the classic sleeping bag coat. 131 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: And I made the coat every year, every single year 132 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: since then, so it's a long time and and it's 133 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: a sustainable you know, sustainability is really important, and I 134 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: used every piece of fabric in that sleeping bag. There 135 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: was no waste, and we're very economical in the way 136 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: we lay out the patterns now and a coat can 137 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: last twenty five years, thirty years. People tell me that 138 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: they have them and they take them out every winter. 139 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: So I'm really happy because I never intended it to 140 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: be fashion, and then sometimes it seems to be fashioned 141 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just functioned. And was it Shair, Lady Gaga, 142 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Tina Turner like who also made that code famous, or 143 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: all of them. So we were just looking at some 144 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: beautiful photographs of Rihanna and the coach she has. Practically 145 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: she has a white one, a camel one of King Juan, 146 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: a silver one, I mean she really and she's amazing. 147 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: The sleeping back coat actually has had these high moments. 148 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: So Studio fifty four, everybody wanted to get into studio 149 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: and all the doormen at studio or the sleeping back coat. 150 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: So I sold so many coats because people thought if 151 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: they stood outside in a sleep back coat, they'd be 152 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: able to get in. And I was like, oh yeah, 153 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure on it. That we sold a lot then 154 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: and then not in eleven was a very interesting thing, 155 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of people were stranded in the city 156 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: in hotel lobbies at the airport, and we started getting 157 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: calls for sleepy back coats and I was just keeping 158 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: everybody home, but the phone was ringing off the hug 159 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: and we had so many messages saying they wanted the coat. 160 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: So I bought everyone back. I got my factory back, 161 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: and we just made We made sleeping back coats for months. 162 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: People just kept wanting sort of back Cacooney effect. And 163 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: it's happening now too. It's very interesting, Bobby. There is 164 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: that feeling now of wanting to feel protected. A lot 165 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: of people are supporting their neighborhood restaurants, God bless them, 166 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: eating outside of course in the sleeping back coats, so 167 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: so I saw so many people who were doing that. 168 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: So we reduced the price of the coat in half. 169 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: And it's great. It really keeps keeps you warm. And 170 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: I saw I've seen people wearing a sleeping back coat. 171 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: I've lived in the West Village and I've seen my 172 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: coat everywhere. So I'm so happy because I'm just so 173 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: devastated for our restaurant industry. It's a horrible situation, and 174 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: I wish we could rectify that. The powers that be 175 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: need to kind of do something fast. Well I think 176 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: that I think things will change. I do feel positive 177 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: about that. So I also want to know about your 178 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: skin care line, because you have a lifestyle brand and 179 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: a skincare line. You're also one of the first people 180 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: that got into all this health and wellness way before. 181 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: And wait, what are you drinking now that these are 182 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: the recyclable Starbucks cuffs, but what's in it? Lemon and ginger? 183 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: Lemon and ginger. I want all your recipes. I know 184 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: you're a health freak. I'm a health freak, but I 185 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: fall off my wagon way more than you fall off yours. 186 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: So tell me about all the health and wellness things 187 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: and your lifestyle brand as far as my skin line goes, 188 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: as I got older and when I turned fifty, and 189 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: as I got older, and I see you recognize that too. 190 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: Everything has to be lighter on your skin. You have 191 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: to see the skin. You have to really understand that 192 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: covering up is a delicate balance. You're the expert on this, 193 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: and so covering up wrinkles, to me is a sign 194 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: of insecurity about age. I did a post on Instagram 195 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: and this girl said to me, I can tell you 196 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: how to get rid of the lines on your lips. 197 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, Girlfriends, I'm seventy five. If I 198 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: didn't have lines on my lips, it would be I 199 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: would be a freak and I would look like I 200 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: had a big top lip, and I don't. I've never 201 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: had a big top lip. So there are certain things 202 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: that just are And I think that that's okay as 203 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: long as you're healthy and you're taking care of yourself. 204 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: But let's not call them wrinkles, let's call them lines 205 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: lines ever. But but the ho anti wrinkle concept and 206 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: and anti aging concept is not a positive one. So 207 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: you want to enhance what you have. You want to 208 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: enhance what you feel good about, and I think less 209 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: is more, and so healthy lifestyle, what you're putting in 210 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: your body and what you're putting on your body. A 211 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: big part of it has to be sleep, diet, exercise, 212 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: and as you get older, exercise becomes more important. Sleep 213 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: as you're when you're younger is more important. And the 214 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: health of your body and the health of the cells 215 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: in your body, or what creates beauty and the ability 216 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: to feel good about your skin and not having to worry. 217 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: And then if you want to put lip color on 218 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: your eye, color, eyebrow, whatever, which you are the master at, 219 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: then it works. It looks good. But if you know 220 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: you're doing this airbrushed kind of thing and then putting 221 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: makeup on, it doesn't have a feeling of confidence. So 222 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: if you want to use lipstick, you can. If you 223 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: don't want to, it's okay too. If you want to 224 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: do stuff on your eyes, it's because you want to 225 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: have fun, not because it's gonna make you look younger. 226 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: So what do you eat like? Do you drink call fee? No? No, 227 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: you don't drink coffee. Do you drink alcohol? No? All right, 228 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: well those are two of my favorite things. Okay, but 229 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: I do very healthy versions of boats. Okay, So do 230 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: you eat meat? No? I love steak, tartar okay three? Three? 231 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: All right, normal? What do you want? But that doesn't 232 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: mean their no knows it's for me. For me, coffee 233 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: makes me very nervous, and I don't feel good when 234 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: I drink coffee, and I don't feel good when I 235 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: eat meat. So being in touch with how your body 236 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: reacts to different things is important. Also, you know, drinking 237 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: alcohol is being investigated and understood a little bit more 238 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: than it has been in the past. How much water 239 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: you have in your body and how much your body 240 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: weight can handle is a really big part of how 241 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: you deal with alcohol and how much you can drink. 242 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: When you start drinking, you want to have a handle 243 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: on how how much you're able to drink. And then 244 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: as you get older, it's harder when you're going through 245 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: hormonal changes because some types of alcohol affect your hormones 246 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: and affect how you feel through hormonal changes. So there 247 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: are sometimes where I've interviewed a series of doctors on 248 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: aging and they recommend either chilling for a while or 249 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: cutting down tremendously. But after sixty, Bobby, you can drink again. Well, 250 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: I never stopped, so at least I'm ahead of my time. 251 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: And I don't, you know, I have a drink, you know. 252 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not you know, because one one feels fine, 253 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: two feels not great, three feels awful, So I you know, 254 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: and yes, you have to listen to yourself. But then 255 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: normal what do what did you eat today? Like what 256 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: to do each time? So I had for breakfast. This 257 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: is not a typical day for me that this is 258 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: just happens to be what I had today for breakfast. 259 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: I had an avocado and green tea and I had 260 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: some walnuts. I know it's a little crazy, but that's 261 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: what I felt like eating. I get up very early, 262 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: so I had my breakfast around seven, but I got 263 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: up at four thirty. So I've worked out and did 264 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: my meditation and early just going over notes and things. 265 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: But then I had a smoothie with a lot of 266 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: good nutritious powders that I really love a lot. That 267 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: helped my bones because my bones are weak and I 268 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: do a lot of exercise for them and I do 269 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: different protocol but I found great results with this smooth 270 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: be I invented for my bones and so I'm I 271 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: have a smoothie every day, and is the recipe in 272 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: the book? I think? So? I think so? Yeah, And 273 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: what's the powder? I use? Nutritional powders. I think that 274 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: they're super helpful and the good thing about them is 275 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: when you put them in a smoothie or a drink, 276 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: it makes it really very easy to make it a 277 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: part of your life. I think vitamins taking. You know, 278 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: you have take so many vitamins, taking all those pills, 279 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: it's just like not happening. But other than D three 280 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: and right now zinc obviously because of COVID, I think 281 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: everybody should be taking D three and zinc and vitamin C. 282 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: And I've also been told um that PEPs it is 283 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: good to take, even prophylactically, so I do. But other 284 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: than those things, I think getting nutrition from food and 285 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: and these nutritional powders is really the best way to 286 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: absorb them into your system. And you know what, We're 287 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: all different, and the trick is seeing what works for you. Yeah, 288 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: that's so it. And you know what, I really believe 289 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: you eat the diet that your body wants you to eat. 290 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: And I don't mean like chips and cheek you know, 291 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: bad diet, but your body is telling you what it 292 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: wants to eat and what it's able to eat. My 293 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: body or it's telling me to move. I think my 294 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: body is telling me to move now, Norma, tell me 295 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: about your book that's coming out next week. Your book 296 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: is called I Am Invincible, And how long you've been 297 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: working on it? And tell me about the book. A 298 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, a friend of mine was turning 299 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: fifty at the beach and a group of women in 300 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: her age group, we're having a party for her, and 301 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: the theme was anything about fifty. So I had, you 302 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: know those little leather modle books. I illustrated fifty tips 303 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: on turning fifty in the book. And as you know, 304 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: fifty is a very big marker in a woman's life. 305 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: It's meant to be different, and how you manage your 306 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: way through that is really very talentful what the rest 307 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: of your life will be like. And so I did 308 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: the tips and then I got so many calls from 309 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: the fifty women that were turning fifty. And I was 310 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: working with a publisher at the time, and I said, 311 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: we think you need to make it a book, not 312 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: a little thing, And so it turned into a book 313 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: much broader and much deeper than just turning fifty. Obviously 314 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to read it. I cannot wait to 315 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: read it. Is it autobiographical or is it more tips? 316 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: Is it both? There's two parts of it. The core 317 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: of the book is about the decades and what happens 318 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: in each decade from your twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, 319 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: and and the transitions that women go through during those decades. 320 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: And then not only do I use my own life 321 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: experience to talk about what I went through at the 322 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: time and how that affected my choices in the next decade, 323 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: but I also added tips on lifestyle. And obviously you know, 324 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: I've been studying healthy lifestyle for the last thirty five 325 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: years and I've been intensely into it, and so from that, 326 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: I used how I incorporated healthy lifestyle at the different 327 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: depth EIDs. So, as you know, our bodies are hormones, 328 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: are physical, um needs, our bones, all of that. At 329 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: different times in different decades, we have different needs. Um 330 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: if you want to get pregnant, it's a much different 331 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: set of tips and exercises and health and sort of information. 332 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: Then if you're going through menopause or you're experiencing hormonal changes, 333 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: and it's really meant Bobby to be to be read 334 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: by the twenty year old. You know, the younger you 335 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: are in having your experience with the book, the more 336 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: you get out of it. So even though I say 337 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: aging with power at twenty, I remember my mother said 338 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: to me, happy birthday, Norma, it's all downhill from here, 339 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: and I was crying because I really felt when you're 340 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: not a teenager anymore, you're starting to deteriorate and get old. 341 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: But I had the psychological concept of aging meaning the 342 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: end instead of the building of power and experience. So 343 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: a lot of twenty year olds and a lot of 344 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: people in their twenties think of aging in uh in 345 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: a negative way, not just when you're in your fifties. 346 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: So that's a big part of it is being able 347 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: to get the tips, get the information and the insight 348 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: so that you can manage your way through the decades. 349 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: So it's sort of a handbook. So norm I have 350 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: a speed round now. One of the speed round questions 351 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: is always what's your favorite cocktail? But I'm gonna I'm 352 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: gonna change it. I'm gonna change it. What do you 353 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: drink when your friends are having a cocktail, sparkly water 354 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: and lemon. Nobody no, I mean, oh no, no one cares. 355 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: No one cares. And what's the last thing you read? Now? 356 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm listening to a lot of books and podcasts because 357 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: I can sketch and do other things. But I read 358 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: Packing Darwin by Jamie Metzel, who somebody you should meet. 359 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: He's a futurist. He's very interesting. I heard him on 360 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: a podcast and I thought he was fantastic, so I 361 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: hunted him down to to learn and know him. Um 362 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: and his book is great and I love futurist thinking 363 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: and ideas, so that was very appealing for me. Well, good, 364 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: what is what is the what are you looking forward to? 365 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: In so much? You know? At seventy your purpose becomes 366 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: incredibly important, and my purpose is all coming together. It 367 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: started it with clothing to help women feel good, and 368 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: then healthy lifestyle, but I think bringing together everything that 369 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: I can do to offer to women, not just as 370 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: a mentor, but also just to to to be supportive, 371 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: present ideas, solutions is really a very big part of 372 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: my purpose. So this year I want to start to 373 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: find ways to express it and to really communicate more 374 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: and more about aging with power. And I look at 375 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty as my goal. And I think, 376 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: if you tell yourself something, if you put the thought 377 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: in your head, whatever that is, it could be any goal. 378 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: But I tell myself a hundred and twenty because even 379 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: if I don't get there, I am forced to be 380 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: more conscientious about what I'm doing, how I'm living life 381 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: just carmically, how I'm living too well. We talked a 382 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: lot about what you do on the inside, but what 383 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: do you do on the outside. What's your skincare routine? 384 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: Very very very simple. So my mother used Ponds cole 385 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: cream her whole life, nothing else. She never washed her face, Bobby, 386 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: She never puts boat on her face. Her skin was gorgeous. 387 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: She never went in the sun, and then she would 388 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: put on red lipstick or whatever, you know when she 389 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: was younger and looked fantastic. And I learned from that 390 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: that less is more. Olive oil is such a big 391 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: part of my life, as you know, And so I 392 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: use olive oil and my products and aloe and charcoal 393 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: and very timeless ingredients, and so I cleanse my skin, 394 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: I exfoliate, moisturized done that's it. I don't spend a 395 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: lot of time. I use Actually, I have one of 396 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: your little pots and I love doing that and that, 397 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: and I put it everywhere. I put it on my cheeks, 398 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: but I don't know it's okay to put it. You 399 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: look beautiful. That was my next question is are you 400 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: wearing makeup because you look so beautiful. I'm not. I'm 401 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: just a little But the idea is that I have 402 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: to show my skin. And I work out so much 403 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: and I'm sweating every day. And your your exercise videos 404 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: are so good on Instagram. I love when you post those. 405 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: The leg it keeps going up and down and up 406 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 1: and down. I'm like, oh my god, it's like I 407 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: want to take the class. But you work out, you 408 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: work out. I do, Yeah, I do, I'm I'm I'm 409 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: almost over. And an injury. I don't know if it's 410 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: my groin or my tush. I got a pain in 411 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: the butt. I don't know. But luckily I live with, 412 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, a physical therapist, my future daughter in law, 413 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: so she's yeah, so she's helping me. And the last 414 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: question is before before you answer me the question when 415 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: can I see you in Marty? But the last question 416 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: for the podcast is, actually, what does beauty mean to you? 417 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: I ask all my guests. Well, beauty is clearly the 418 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: sum total of the kind of human being you are. 419 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: It's it's lastly the idea of how you look, because 420 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: you've done all these things to look beautiful. But beauty 421 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: comes immediately through a smile or the sparkle in your eye. Energy. 422 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: It's it's really an energetic thing more than a tangible 423 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: thing that comes from doing things to yourself. Well, I 424 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: cannot wait to read your book. Congratulations. That's wait for 425 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: you to to Oh my god, and I hope it's 426 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: the first of many. I miss you, I love you, 427 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: and I hope to see you guys as soon. Yeah, yeah, 428 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: we're close. Thank you so much, thank you, Thank you, Bobby, 429 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: bye bye. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit 430 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you 431 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.