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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Break. I remember Garcia, Derek Eagleton. He
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to, but it's just
Speaker 1: one of those days. You guys are used to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many a show? Says Derek Misston twenty eighteen. If
Speaker 1: you had to guess, um enough for us to not
Speaker 1: miss him? It's honestly, I'm kidding. No, you're absolutely right. No,
Speaker 1: he's just busy, busy man. But you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be three best friends that or anybody could have. We're
Speaker 1: the three best friends that anyone could happen. You know.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think about it, like, Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: go and do the show. He's over there in his
Speaker 1: office talking to me. Yeah. I was like, hey, Derek,
Speaker 1: we're at eleven today, right, And he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it. But yeah, I think so, And he
Speaker 1: didn't look busy to me. I mean, well, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine without him. I'm gonna be running the
Speaker 1: show today, or try to. But to all those haters
Speaker 1: out there, just chill out. Derek and not Derek. Derek
Speaker 1: is not here whatever, But Nickiman and David Hellman are
Speaker 1: still here, ready to bring the fire today. How are
Speaker 1: you guys doing. I'm doing great, I'm even better at that.
Speaker 1: Looking at you haters, well, I mean you got Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams here a host in the show's true out the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys don't need to go anywhere. Just
Speaker 1: chill for today's show. You guys are still here, Nick
Speaker 1: and Dave ready to bring it. So let's start off
Speaker 1: talking about OTAs first week. We did get to see
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, Let's talk about the ones that did not
Speaker 1: get to practice. Malie Collins out, you know, recovering from
Speaker 1: the injury, David Irving, they decided to see that kind
Speaker 1: of Yeah, I didn't really quite get the reason why.
Speaker 1: Trying to get in physical condition. I mean, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you brought that up. Yeah, well, okay, so Belle Collins,
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams or hurt. Sean Lee is Sean Lee, and
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of Tony Romo of the modern era
Speaker 1: now is like you don't need to be out there.
Speaker 1: We don't need to riskue and DeMarcus Lawrence, I think
Speaker 1: is kind of the same thing as like whatever, you
Speaker 1: stay safe. Uh David Irving, though, I mean Garrett basically
Speaker 1: called him fat yesterday. I mean right, yeah, he I
Speaker 1: mean he said, well, that's the thing, like we get
Speaker 1: to see these players and we don't. I don't need
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett to tell me that right now he's too fat?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Bill Um. Yeah, I thought he was. He
Speaker 1: came back a little, you know, chunkier for a reason. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he would be a good one, husky importly awards,
Speaker 1: we should three play. You're right, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to criticize a pro athlete for being overweight. I
Speaker 1: would not like out of something because he's got an
Speaker 1: as Yeah, the drops are coming fast and curious today. No,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, usual when Jason Garrett gets
Speaker 1: up there and he's like, well he's he's got a foot,
Speaker 1: uh he you know something, he's dealing with something, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But Jason Garrett was just like he's working
Speaker 1: his way back into shape, which you know, the offseason
Speaker 1: program started a month ago, and Captain's workhouse started before that,
Speaker 1: and David Irvings has been here for at least part
Speaker 1: of that, if not the whole thing, Like he's been
Speaker 1: in the building since March, I would guess. So it's interesting,
Speaker 1: interesting that that's a problem for him. And you know,
Speaker 1: Garrett is very calculated in his words, so for him
Speaker 1: to say something like that, yeah, kind of like a
Speaker 1: little spur, like, Hey, I'm not super thrilled that you
Speaker 1: can't practice right now, big guy. That's kind of how
Speaker 1: I took it. Probably probably no different than than what
Speaker 1: it's always been in years past. You know, I say
Speaker 1: this all the time. We see guys working out a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, through the windows, we see him
Speaker 1: in the training table. We never had that before Forward
Speaker 1: Valley Ranch, and so I'm sure there were plenty of
Speaker 1: guys that came in in March April May and you're like, uh,
Speaker 1: looks a little different or bigger than he did or whatever.
Speaker 1: We're just getting to see them more, see them practice more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a normal you know transition for for you
Speaker 1: know when these players in the offseason and how they
Speaker 1: get their bodies ready to play. Now, Terrence Williams, he
Speaker 1: was out with an injury, but he did get arrested
Speaker 1: this past weekend, and we don't need to get into
Speaker 1: all the details. Lead right there, Nick, you wrote a
Speaker 1: story about it. Jason Garrett didn't really comment much on
Speaker 1: it yesterday, kind of saying that the team is still
Speaker 1: investigating the case, but a lot of fans want to know.
Speaker 1: Is this something that would lead to the team possibly
Speaker 1: cutting him? Um, I can't get over the delivery right there,
Speaker 1: just held out did get arrested. It's it's perfect. It's
Speaker 1: the it's the modern age, you know. I you know,
Speaker 1: I like sometimes I'm not criticizing the boss, but like
Speaker 1: Derek all act like just because we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: it on the show means like nobody knows about it,
Speaker 1: you know. But I mean it's Thursday. He got arrested
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Everybody knows what happened to him. So she
Speaker 1: asked me, is he gonna people want to know? I
Speaker 1: get a lot of questions, is this a reason that
Speaker 1: I could possibly lead to the team cutting him? Actually?
Speaker 1: I think right now, as it stands, and of course
Speaker 1: things can also change, and we've seen actually in the
Speaker 1: last year that the commissioner will do his own thing
Speaker 1: when it comes to suspension. So so yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he's got his own agenda there, which is fine, he's
Speaker 1: the commission I don't think it will because I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get suspended. If he gets suspended by
Speaker 1: the NFL, that affects his guarantees. The guarantees affect how
Speaker 1: important his role is and how much you want to
Speaker 1: keep him on the team. So if that happens, that's
Speaker 1: a domino that will start to change some other things.
Speaker 1: As it stands. Right now, he's a guy that's coming
Speaker 1: off of a foot injury. He broken foot. Um, he'll
Speaker 1: he should be able to play, I would. I would
Speaker 1: think he'd be ready at some point in training camp,
Speaker 1: if not the start, then earlier, I mean, broken enough,
Speaker 1: I would. I would think the goal would be to
Speaker 1: maybe get him in for that third preseason game, and
Speaker 1: you know that that might be a decent goal. If
Speaker 1: not that this the regular season opener, he's still one
Speaker 1: of your top receivers on the team. And then the
Speaker 1: injury and the arrest really don't affect that right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of track record that suggests that
Speaker 1: anything's going to happen to him. I mean, Nolan Carroll
Speaker 1: actually got hit for DWI this time last year, which
Speaker 1: Terrence did not. That was not the charge and he
Speaker 1: wasn't suspended. And then you know the thing I feel like,
Speaker 1: and I know we've talked about it, but people forget
Speaker 1: this is like the way terrence is deal is structured
Speaker 1: is not only do you not save any money to
Speaker 1: cut him, but you have to. I mean you're basically
Speaker 1: you're losing money, Like you're paying money to get rid
Speaker 1: of him, which is dumb when you consider that he's
Speaker 1: your most experienced Cowboys receiver. You've got to be a
Speaker 1: really bad player and or a bad locker room guy.
Speaker 1: And and you know Terrence knows this. I mean, Terrence
Speaker 1: has just been the whipping boy for fans all that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, for various reasons. But he's not
Speaker 1: that bad of a player to pay to have him gone.
Speaker 1: There's only been a few guys like that that you're like,
Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy out of here. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: not in that. No, No, not at all. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like you I mean, anything could happened, but I'd be surprised.
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if anything happened to him on
Speaker 1: a disciplinary front from the NFL. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if he wasn't on this team. Now,
Speaker 1: another guy that was highlighted yesterday was Sach Martin. He
Speaker 1: wasn't He didn't practice, and not that he needs to
Speaker 1: practice Sack Martin. It is what it is. But again,
Speaker 1: the team is trying to figure out the whole contract.
Speaker 1: As far as we know, both the team and SAG
Speaker 1: are wanting him to be here. Loan to what is
Speaker 1: going on with a contract right now. Let Dave take
Speaker 1: this because you had a hot opinion on the on
Speaker 1: the field of the day, maybe because it was hot,
Speaker 1: but also it was a good hot take. Would you
Speaker 1: talk about how I don't think he should practice at
Speaker 1: all or which part I got. I'd say a lot
Speaker 1: of reckless stuff. I know, Oh oh, I was half kidding,
Speaker 1: but I said I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: kind of were like, yeah, set this out. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be out here. We're working on
Speaker 1: your contract. I mean every time, you know, when I
Speaker 1: think about Zach Martin. I think about Sean Lee. Zach
Speaker 1: Martin was part of the play that tore Shawn Lee's
Speaker 1: acl and OTAs in twenty fourteen, certainly wouldn't want something
Speaker 1: like that to happen to Zach, who is arguably the
Speaker 1: best player on this entire team, um, so most consistent. Probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: actually said that to him, But like I doubt anybody's
Speaker 1: losing a ton of sleep that he's not out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just kind of a weird ironic move, I guess,
Speaker 1: maybe just coincidence. But you know, we didn't exact anybody
Speaker 1: to be in that locker at the Star. In the
Speaker 1: locker room, they kind of you know, it's just all
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett here where you know, the the corners of
Speaker 1: the locker room or your cornerstones of the team. And
Speaker 1: you know, it was Deaz, it was it was Romo,
Speaker 1: it was Fatten, okay, but whatever, Tyrman, Smith, Dan Bailey
Speaker 1: and whitn Andes of course had had this one spot there,
Speaker 1: um and now with him gone, Zach Martin moved there.
Speaker 1: Which the shocking part there is how Martin and Frederick
Speaker 1: are not like side by side. I know, so it
Speaker 1: was zac now Zach Martin's locker and he wasn't there either,
Speaker 1: so but I actually I don't think it's coincidental, and
Speaker 1: I take it as a very good like And I
Speaker 1: don't get the impression people feel this way, but just
Speaker 1: in case you do, like, I just don't think this
Speaker 1: is an acrimonious situation. I mean, I think Zach Martin
Speaker 1: has had conversations with the team about this, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think they were surprised that he didn't come. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is shock in any way. And I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any bad blood that the best guard
Speaker 1: in football's trying to get his contract, And I think
Speaker 1: that's evidenced by the fact that they did something, you know,
Speaker 1: that gesture of putting him in that locker of mister cowboy,
Speaker 1: mister modern cowboy. At least, I think that says a
Speaker 1: lot of good things. I mean, I think they expect
Speaker 1: him to be here for a long time. I think
Speaker 1: he expects to be here for a long time. The
Speaker 1: fact that he's trying to get his contract situation settled
Speaker 1: doesn't change that at all. And this is just another
Speaker 1: time to point out that holdout and this isn't even
Speaker 1: hold out because it's volunteer. It's not a holdout, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people categorize it as that a holdout
Speaker 1: is not a holdout until you start missing significant significant money.
Speaker 1: A game check. Yeah, I mean getting fined here and
Speaker 1: there that. Yeah, that's a big deal when you miss
Speaker 1: a game check. It's just funny how the deals always
Speaker 1: tend to happen that Saturday before that first game. I'll
Speaker 1: be which it won't go that far. Well, that's I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see because I you know, talking to people
Speaker 1: around yesterday, like a lot of people think that this
Speaker 1: you know, this action him missing OTAs will be enough
Speaker 1: to get a deal done by June, which i'll or
Speaker 1: you know, by by the end of the offseason program,
Speaker 1: I should say, I'll be interested to see that. And
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen, I'll be interested to see if
Speaker 1: he misses the mandatory June practices. When when did Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins get his deal? What month? Uh, we were at
Speaker 1: camp August? Yeah? What month did Travis Frederick August? What
Speaker 1: month to Tyrn Smith? Technically I think it was July,
Speaker 1: but it was like July thirtieth, training camp. Yeah, but see,
Speaker 1: I'll play old line. Yeah, I'll be I'll be interested,
Speaker 1: thank you. When they do deals. I wonder though, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they've been talking about doing this dude's freaking
Speaker 1: deal since for like it feels like five years. He
Speaker 1: hasn't even been on the team that long. Um, did
Speaker 1: I get my deal with the Cowboys August? I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder they do it in Augustus. I wonder if
Speaker 1: this nudge in the right direction will prompt them to
Speaker 1: do it sooner than that, just like, hey, all right,
Speaker 1: let's And I'm not privy to this stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: handle the cap I'm not educated on a high level,
Speaker 1: but I just, I mean, I don't understand why it
Speaker 1: can't get done like this week. I mean, they got
Speaker 1: like ten million in cap space, they got a boatload
Speaker 1: of it coming next year, Like they should be able
Speaker 1: to structure it. Their rookies are signed, so like they
Speaker 1: don't even have to worry about that. I don't really
Speaker 1: understand what the hold up is other than just kind
Speaker 1: of like agreeing on a number, which I feel like
Speaker 1: you should be able to do that in the next
Speaker 1: three or four weeks. Well, I guess we'll wait to
Speaker 1: see when that happens. But in the meantime, yesterday filling
Speaker 1: in for him was Chas Green. So you had Tyren Smith,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Travis Frederick Chase, and then Lyle Collins. Ye.
Speaker 1: So Connor Williams fan favorite. Ye. What did you guys
Speaker 1: see from him? I mean, from what you saw, did
Speaker 1: you like his first involvement with the veteran Sea. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you watch a little bit more practice than me,
Speaker 1: but but I mean I think with him, it's just
Speaker 1: it's at this stage it's not about because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to use the offensive lineman can't do
Speaker 1: what they do, which is push people around. He can't
Speaker 1: do that out here, and if you do, you know,
Speaker 1: guys get hurt. But I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's you know, are you lining up where you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be? Are you mentally prepared to do it? And
Speaker 1: I think the dynamic too right, and I think having
Speaker 1: him out there is a good step there. I'm reluctant
Speaker 1: to compare him to Zach because Zach is a four
Speaker 1: time All Pro who at some point I assume is
Speaker 1: gonna be the highest paid guard in the league. But
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Zach in the sense that he's
Speaker 1: so athletic for a guard, and like, that's the funnest
Speaker 1: thing about watching Zack Martin play. I mean, it's fun
Speaker 1: watching him all people, but it's so fun watching him
Speaker 1: in space, Like he's so nimble and agile and like,
Speaker 1: can you know when they run screens, he can get
Speaker 1: out there and take people out of the play. Does
Speaker 1: not look like a big guy moving around, and I
Speaker 1: see that in counter Williams. I'm not saying he's gonna
Speaker 1: be as good as Zach Martin, but he's just he
Speaker 1: does not play football like a hog molly he looks.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a super athletic dude, and I think
Speaker 1: that aspect of his game just I think could be
Speaker 1: so big for them. And you know, when you're playing
Speaker 1: in shorts, that type of stuff kind of shows stands
Speaker 1: out as like how well he moves and stuff like that. Now,
Speaker 1: today we're gonna try to hit every group on the
Speaker 1: roster of what we saw yesterday how they lined up.
Speaker 1: But before we go into break, let's talk about Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: I mean, he came back looking a little thinner, slimmed
Speaker 1: down his attitude was great in the locker room. He
Speaker 1: was very spoken in during the practice and he said
Speaker 1: that it came to He's like, well, third year, it's
Speaker 1: kind of the time for me to step up as
Speaker 1: a leader. While we're your reactions from this Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: that we saw yesterday to the one that we saw
Speaker 1: at this time last year. For me, the Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: that we see in the locker room has always been professional.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the time when they were doing spitballs with
Speaker 1: him and Dak, but for the most part, for the
Speaker 1: most part they He's always been a guy that kind
Speaker 1: of gets that. I think being at Ohio State, knowing that,
Speaker 1: you know, being the star. Even he stood up in
Speaker 1: front of you know, his locker or someplace in the
Speaker 1: locker room after you know, last year when he came
Speaker 1: back from suspension, answers the questions. He doesn't love it.
Speaker 1: It's okay, he doesn't have to love it, but he
Speaker 1: does his job. And I'd rather a guy to stand
Speaker 1: up there and say, hey, I'll face the music, and
Speaker 1: he does that. So I And as far as being
Speaker 1: a leader, I think I think him and Dak have
Speaker 1: talked about this. They have to and say, we've got
Speaker 1: to do it, We've got to bring the energy. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a good question surprisingly in the press
Speaker 1: conference yesterday from who asked it about the about the
Speaker 1: the energy that Dez has, Someone's gonna have to replace that.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's gonna be a real important
Speaker 1: thing because there's gonna be dog days of camp when
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, who's bringing it today? Dez always
Speaker 1: did that, and I think that's something that Zeke and
Speaker 1: Deck and those guys that are gonna have to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting though, because I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: in the locker room got asked about that yesterday, just
Speaker 1: kind of that. UM I wonder I don't see them
Speaker 1: showing it the same way Dez does. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody's capable of showing it the way it Dez does.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can't guard me. You can't
Speaker 1: guard me, you can't. I don't know if you're gonna
Speaker 1: hear those outbursts from forty yards away like we were
Speaker 1: used to with Dead. I don't even know you're but
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite des lines. But Zeke,
Speaker 1: just Zeke just has this intensity about him, and UM,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a chip on his shoulder there
Speaker 1: and like he's not going to talk about it. He's
Speaker 1: not going to acknowledge it again. I mean, he's very
Speaker 1: professional in the sense that he always talks to us,
Speaker 1: but I never feel like it's authentic and it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be, you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a job duty for him. He's just trying
Speaker 1: to get it out of the way. I don't begrudge
Speaker 1: him at but I think Zeke is going to hold
Speaker 1: so much of that away from us, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he doesn't want to let people in
Speaker 1: on that, but I think it's there. I think there's
Speaker 1: an take it out on the safety. Yeah, absolutely, linebacker
Speaker 1: trying to attack being or just jump over him. We'll see.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's take our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're going to discuss the whole wide receiver group.
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Speaker 1: are back on the break. We're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: white receiver group. Yesterday, Lance lanor Deonta Thompson were lined
Speaker 1: up on the outside with Allen Hurns in the slot.
Speaker 1: Thoughts a first impression of how these guys lined up.
Speaker 1: Lens Lnor, let me tell you this, this is a
Speaker 1: guy that last year and up to today until he
Speaker 1: proves me wrong, I just have not been a fan
Speaker 1: because everything that I remember from last fan of anybody?
Speaker 1: Not true false, absolutely false. I love many people who
Speaker 1: are wait, who are you a fan of many people?
Speaker 1: The topic right now, we're talking about Lance lan More. Okay,
Speaker 1: last year, everything that I saw from him were bad things,
Speaker 1: like drops after drops after drop, tell me wrong, tell
Speaker 1: me wrong? Well, no, no, he would no, he couldn't
Speaker 1: return punts. He had a he had a he had
Speaker 1: a really it's you know what. He wasn't even that
Speaker 1: bad in the preseason, but he got training camp and
Speaker 1: everything that we saw in He got a lot of
Speaker 1: hype because of how he got here, which is that
Speaker 1: the guy who puts the roster together loves him. Will
Speaker 1: Will McClay loved Lanceloor's game in college, and so you
Speaker 1: kind of hear that and you're like, watch this guy,
Speaker 1: and then you know, when you get out under the
Speaker 1: bright lights. He had some he made some good plays,
Speaker 1: though you forget about the touchdown that he had. He
Speaker 1: had a couple of good plays, but he was a constant. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was an adventure every time he went back there,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what people remember the most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And my point is I've seen more bad things than
Speaker 1: the good. Now this is a guy. I'm giving him
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doo. He still needs some time
Speaker 1: to improve and this might be the year. Yesterday, hearing
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis talk about him, he I mean when he
Speaker 1: was asked, who is that guy in the wide receiver
Speaker 1: group that could kind of beats Brian, Jordan didn't compare
Speaker 1: him to this, but he mentioned Lance Lenor out of
Speaker 1: the group, saying, this is an underrated guy. So might
Speaker 1: he be that guy? Who? Could he be that guy
Speaker 1: this year that kind of rises to the top. Well,
Speaker 1: he needs to if he wants to make the team,
Speaker 1: because I feel I feel two different types of ways
Speaker 1: about that. One. I think you're absolutely right if there's
Speaker 1: I mean one of there's there's two guys that have
Speaker 1: really like just put in an impressive three maybe three
Speaker 1: an impressive amount of work. Unfortunately one of them was
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer. He's gone now. Lance Lenor has been here
Speaker 1: since the season ended, like he just lives in this facility.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis too. Noah Brown is another guy that comes
Speaker 1: to mind. But I mean he's putting in the work
Speaker 1: and like I said, I mean, Will McClay is the
Speaker 1: reason he's here. Will McClay loves this game. Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: loves him. I mean they work out there and you
Speaker 1: come here on a Saturday, they're here throwing routes together,
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that. Um So in that regard, I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a guy that I would advise you to
Speaker 1: not forget about. On the other hand, just try to
Speaker 1: do the math on this receiver corps. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be easy for him. It's just not because I
Speaker 1: think there's about five guys in front of him that
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense to make this team, and
Speaker 1: you probably not keep it more than six receivers. I
Speaker 1: think that Lance Lenora, Noah Brown, and anybody else that's
Speaker 1: not on the radar, they're really kind of fighting for
Speaker 1: for maybe one spot. Yeah, because Gallops making it. Terrence
Speaker 1: is making it right right now the way things are,
Speaker 1: I mean, Terrence is making it, Gallops making it. Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley's gonna make it. And then Tavon Austin is still
Speaker 1: what's up with him? He's still is he a wide
Speaker 1: receivers making it? I'm making it. I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: still I'm killing him as a receiver. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: mean he's not a running back. He's a receiver. So
Speaker 1: he's still in that Tavon Austin on this rout they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep six receivers again, Yeah, counting him as a receiver.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Okay, So then then you know you're putting a
Speaker 1: brown in there. You put um Deonte Thompson, Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Thompson. Did you You didn't even say Alan Hearns.
Speaker 1: He's making it. Alan Herns is making it's right? Of course? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean already thought that was nut which and then
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting here saying all ever since they
Speaker 1: signed him, I'm like, well, Deontay Thompson's basically on a
Speaker 1: vet minimum deal. He doesn't have to make it, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't, but he's out there. He was running with
Speaker 1: the first team a lot yesterday. He's got some speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so you sit you watch him run some
Speaker 1: go routes and some bubble screens and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: he'll he'll probably make it too, and all. That's what
Speaker 1: That's my point is, all of a sudden, you got
Speaker 1: five receivers that you feel pretty good about, and then
Speaker 1: four other ones that are fighting for one spot. I
Speaker 1: don't forget about Kadi Cannon. You you won't let me,
Speaker 1: you won't let me forget about him, so group he
Speaker 1: which And I didn't want to correct you because you
Speaker 1: weren't wrong. All those guys did run with the first team.
Speaker 1: But the thing that stood out to me was that
Speaker 1: like everybody ran with the first Yeah, like I think
Speaker 1: I counted seven they had, and Katie Cannon was one
Speaker 1: of them. They had Katie Cannon run with the first team.
Speaker 1: Cole Hearns deonte Um the one that stood out, And
Speaker 1: it was the whole lancelin or thing because you know, um,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't count him. It always kind of has
Speaker 1: its way of working itself out, you know, it just
Speaker 1: were one one way or another injury here or maybe
Speaker 1: you know with the way we cover this team or
Speaker 1: the way this team is covered nationally and locally, and um,
Speaker 1: all it takes is one drop pass and then the
Speaker 1: ball to kind of you know, hit your hit you
Speaker 1: in the face mask, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, well this guy sucks somebody, he's out, you know,
Speaker 1: and then he'll come back and have an ad R
Speaker 1: touchdown and it's like starting so, yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: we do, but it'll it'll kind of go up and down.
Speaker 1: We'll watch Lance Lenora just ball out for five days
Speaker 1: in a row at training camp, just catch after catch
Speaker 1: after catch, and then Deonte Thompson will have four catches
Speaker 1: for ninety yards in a preseason game. He'll fumble upon
Speaker 1: an amber be like a see what I've been saying
Speaker 1: about ll But hey, no, prove me wrong. That's what
Speaker 1: makes it so fun though. And the other thing too,
Speaker 1: is this isn't as exciting as talking about the fifty three,
Speaker 1: but like, damn near everybody we just talked about as
Speaker 1: eligible for the practice squad twos. I mean, if Lance
Speaker 1: Leonor doesn't make the fifty three, I assuming he doesn't
Speaker 1: get snatched up, I bet my paycheck he's on the
Speaker 1: practice squad. So a lot of guys that they feel
Speaker 1: good about. And I mean, we've been saying it, but
Speaker 1: it's worth repeating. It's going to be fun to watch. Now.
Speaker 1: One of the guys I wanted to talk about real quick,
Speaker 1: and I've seen people asking about him is Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily have a great day yesterday, and to
Speaker 1: his defense, Cooper Rush, his passes were just not really great.
Speaker 1: Why do you hate everybody? How's that hating than your house.
Speaker 1: I hate saying he didn't have a great day. Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, passes weren't thrown very well. Now I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, what were your observations on him, the
Speaker 1: way that he was running routes getting open. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: my question, I thought, not hating. I thought, Jesus, I
Speaker 1: can't watch and give my opinion. I just I'm just
Speaker 1: giving you crack because you hate everybody. Tell me, tell
Speaker 1: me about Gallups. I mean, he looked fine. It's it's
Speaker 1: so hard to form good opinion from two hours of
Speaker 1: running around in shorts. But actually, uh, Michael Gallup I
Speaker 1: thought had the play of the day, if you want
Speaker 1: to call it that. He just him and Mike White
Speaker 1: had a really nice connection. It was like a twenty
Speaker 1: five yard I don't even like it was a It
Speaker 1: was like a flag route down near the pylon. UM,
Speaker 1: and he made a nice over the shoulder catch. Michael.
Speaker 1: The throw was absolutely beautiful. Um. But that's it's we're
Speaker 1: talking about practice. We're not even really talking about practice.
Speaker 1: We're talking about I get it, but if people ask
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallup, you gotta give them at least something.
Speaker 1: The very little things that we get from watching this
Speaker 1: first practice. This does look into him. This week, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are playing the Lions. The Lions have got the
Speaker 1: ball that we're getting ready, went down, they kicked the
Speaker 1: thirty five yard field goal and it's three to nothing.
Speaker 1: That's where we are in the game. Like anybody worried,
Speaker 1: like not not really, This is all just talking. We're
Speaker 1: four minutes into the game and you know I'm not,
Speaker 1: but I'm not ready. We're doing a show, so let's
Speaker 1: let's bring it. Yeah, Dave, we'll trump's gallop. That's well,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Well, I didn't say anything was wrong with
Speaker 1: the eyes side. He wasn't thrown a I was gonna
Speaker 1: get in this um. We are talking about the game. Somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody yesterday, I don't remember who it was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: it was like a media member. It wasn't like a
Speaker 1: coach or anything like that. But somebody was like, he's
Speaker 1: he's a starter, he's taking somebody's job. I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: two hours into this thing. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You know how many hamstrings get pulled by these knee jerks?
Speaker 1: I mean it happens all the time. I thought he
Speaker 1: looked fine, slash good. Let me clarify something and not
Speaker 1: to go keep talking about this something. It's subject because
Speaker 1: I'm about to move on. But just to clarify, I
Speaker 1: was talking about the passes well, Cooper Rush. I like
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. Yesterday he didn't perform that well his pass
Speaker 1: You talk about Dak people asking about Dak press. How
Speaker 1: where his passes to me very consistent. He threw good passes.
Speaker 1: Talk about Cooper Rush where his pass is all great. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm jumpy because me and Rob have been
Speaker 1: fighting for two weeks about who's gonna be the backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He was like, we should do a segment. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: on the Cooper Rush trains. I like Cooper Rush too,
Speaker 1: but you gotta be honest. I thought Cooper Rush to
Speaker 1: me was just like, not just like, but similar to
Speaker 1: what Dak did two years ago. Okay, you know, not
Speaker 1: not not great, but pretty good in the pre in
Speaker 1: that practices, and then you get to the games and
Speaker 1: the offense is moving. Doesn't always look beautiful, but the
Speaker 1: offense is moving and we're scoring touchdowns and some of
Speaker 1: these passes look really good and the lights come on.
Speaker 1: He's a gamer, and you can't coach that. You can't
Speaker 1: just say, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna get that guy
Speaker 1: because he's a gamer. I mean, either you have it
Speaker 1: or you don't. And so Rush definitely has that, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be a hater on him,
Speaker 1: but I say this, I don't think it's it's out
Speaker 1: of the questions that Mike White can't compete with him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that much experience in regular season, so
Speaker 1: it's he's not that far ahead of him. It'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: And if you just watch him throw the ball from
Speaker 1: point eight to point b, I think Mike White throws
Speaker 1: a better ball right now, but Michael Vick threw one
Speaker 1: of the best balls ever and you didn't always know
Speaker 1: where it was gonna go, so that it's not just
Speaker 1: about how tight the spiral is. Oh to me, no,
Speaker 1: I thought Dave was gonna say something quiet. That's the
Speaker 1: first geez, that's fair. That's fair. Okay, Let's move on
Speaker 1: to the defense. To the side of the defense. On
Speaker 1: the secondary, we had Cheeto Byron Anthony Brown at corner
Speaker 1: and in the safety Jeff Heath and Xavier Woods. Happy
Speaker 1: birthday to Cheeto. Yeah, happy birthday. Yeah, oh nice, uh, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Let's let's start off with Byron Jones at corner. Then
Speaker 1: he looked really good out there length He made a
Speaker 1: really nice play. If we could get Marion Elliot in
Speaker 1: here to talk about Byron Jones or length hike solid.
Speaker 1: Actually I said, Mikes, thanks coach. Byron Jones might have
Speaker 1: had the play of the day. I think it was
Speaker 1: Deonte Thompson. Dak went deep for somebody, and I mean
Speaker 1: it was you know, it would have been like a
Speaker 1: twenty thirty yard game and Byron dove and broke it up.
Speaker 1: Super athletic kind of you know, dudes, the dudes athletic.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if he can get his mind around.
Speaker 1: And actually Jordan Lewis had a great quote about that.
Speaker 1: Somebody was like, you know, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: his transition, you know, moving to cornerback. He's like playing
Speaker 1: in cornerback like most of his career he played safety
Speaker 1: for like two or three years. Like, I think he'll
Speaker 1: be okay, so you forget about all the years of
Speaker 1: football that these guys play before they get here. It's
Speaker 1: definitely an exciting time for him in this position, with
Speaker 1: this new coach and seeing how he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to evolve here hopefully. And again this is something
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get too excited about it because,
Speaker 1: for example, last year we saw how great Byron was
Speaker 1: during training camp and at practices, and then when the game,
Speaker 1: you know, the season started, it was kind of different.
Speaker 1: But moving on from that worth us to leave Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because somebody emailed me
Speaker 1: this morning. This goes back to the point that it's
Speaker 1: day day three of twelve in OTAs. Somebody emailed me
Speaker 1: today and basically was like, talk me off the ledge
Speaker 1: about Jordan Lewis on the second team, Like why isn't
Speaker 1: he on the first team? They were like, talk me
Speaker 1: off the ledge. I'm panicking, And I just wanted to
Speaker 1: be like, you have to get a hobby other than
Speaker 1: like you got a chill, you just you can't be
Speaker 1: that panicked about this in May, which people that are
Speaker 1: like that are the ones that are listening right now
Speaker 1: because they know I'm I'm not saying they're all that way,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying they're passionate. They're super passionate, but hopefully
Speaker 1: super intelligent. Because they listen to what we have to say.
Speaker 1: But what I me the other day thinking that Baron
Speaker 1: Jones is put up that much weight that he can
Speaker 1: really play left tackle, because I compared him to flows
Speaker 1: Out Adams, Like, seriously send me that. We get, we get,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So you're saying I
Speaker 1: had a long talk with Jordan Lewis yet, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: long talk six minutes, um. But the more I talk
Speaker 1: to him, the more I like him. Is just he's
Speaker 1: got the right he's got the right frame of mind.
Speaker 1: You talk about lancelin or being up here, I think
Speaker 1: you did mention Jordan Lewis as well. Um. And Jordan
Speaker 1: was telling me that there was a guy that he
Speaker 1: at Michigan, that it works at Michigan and when he
Speaker 1: went back for the offseason and talked to him, and
Speaker 1: he played in the NFL five or six years, and
Speaker 1: he said after about this third year, he just got
Speaker 1: burnt out and didn't like it. And he was like,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be me. That's not gonna be me.
Speaker 1: And and I'm and I'm taking every single day and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, being thankful for every day. And I
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, a year ago, you were dealing
Speaker 1: with other stuff. You know, he had off the field concerns.
Speaker 1: I guess there was a pending trial or domestical that
Speaker 1: he had hanging over his head. One that once that
Speaker 1: guy cleared up, he was like, it was I could
Speaker 1: just play football, and he goes, so this year, the
Speaker 1: only thing I worry about is like learning the playbook better.
Speaker 1: And but he thought it was great that Chris Rashard
Speaker 1: told him or just said to everybody. He's an exception
Speaker 1: to the rule. He said, just because I'm not tall
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I can't be physical. So I think he's
Speaker 1: saying and doing all the right things. Yeah, And I mean, well,
Speaker 1: all right, I just we got some next Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: coming through the line. How we sure do? They're almost
Speaker 1: as tall as me. That's depressing. Tourists come through all
Speaker 1: the time here at the Star, and we got a
Speaker 1: good looking set of guys here that I gotta I'll
Speaker 1: see a football under somebody's arms. So they're gonna go
Speaker 1: out and maybe practice. Yeah, Tamie, I'll let him out
Speaker 1: at OTAs. I'm I'm gonna throw out a hot take
Speaker 1: after I just criticized one of our fans for having
Speaker 1: a hot take. But when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: I just think Jordan Lewis will be one of the
Speaker 1: top three corners on this team. I don't play him
Speaker 1: in the slot, play him outside, I don't know, But
Speaker 1: I don't care where he was on day two of
Speaker 1: OTAs because I think he's he hasn't done anything not
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, well yeah, and I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's got a year on him. Anthony Brown's got
Speaker 1: experienced playing on the inside and outside. So whatever, if
Speaker 1: you want to take a look at him first, I
Speaker 1: don't care, but I have Jordan reminds me a lot
Speaker 1: of Dak just like if you're around him, it's that similar,
Speaker 1: Like he just ex Dud's confidence and poise. I mean
Speaker 1: that just kind of like it's you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of like that quality of like they'll make you a believer.
Speaker 1: I think there's I'm sure there have been days where
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey maybe wasn't feeling it in practice, but Chris
Speaker 1: Jones was and they brought you know, or vice versa.
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick I'm sure has brought the best out of
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, and Zach Martin's brought the best out of him.
Speaker 1: And I really think Cheeto and Jordan Lewis that you
Speaker 1: see them together a lot, that they're the same age,
Speaker 1: they drafted, the same class, same position. For now, I
Speaker 1: think that they're they're going to really push each other.
Speaker 1: Don't even play. I mean, but don't even don't even
Speaker 1: go there. It wouldn't it wouldn't be fair or right
Speaker 1: to suggest that they're gonna be like perennial pro bowlers.
Speaker 1: I'm at the end of the day, we don't know
Speaker 1: how it's all gonna work out for them, but there's
Speaker 1: every reason to be optimistic in those two guys in
Speaker 1: terms of what they're doing on the field, the work
Speaker 1: they're putting in their character, in their commitments, it being better,
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Speaker 1: So let's keep in the subject and talk about these
Speaker 1: big guys that play at tight end. We saw all
Speaker 1: of them. So before I give my own opinion on this,
Speaker 1: and one of the guys that we've been talking about
Speaker 1: a lot or fans are always asking about his Rico Gathers.
Speaker 1: We saw him yesterday. He's back. We saw him in action,
Speaker 1: So impressions of him and how he played and how
Speaker 1: he looked along the other guys. Because this is a
Speaker 1: big problem here. Why is it a problem, Well, it's
Speaker 1: just not working out well because you have a guy
Speaker 1: for fifteen years that've kind of dominated the position both
Speaker 1: on the team and in the NFL, and now he's
Speaker 1: gone and now you got to you gotta replace him.
Speaker 1: You know what. One of the things that stuck out
Speaker 1: to me the most from everything that happened yesterday was
Speaker 1: we were doing interviews with like Scott Linahan after practice
Speaker 1: and like guys will stay behind and work on their
Speaker 1: footwork and chat with coaches, and it takes like twenty
Speaker 1: minutes for everybody to leave the field. So I look
Speaker 1: over and all the tight ends are gathered under the tower,
Speaker 1: in the shade, under the video tower, and there, you know,
Speaker 1: Jeff Swaim is like teaching Dalton Schultz about like coming
Speaker 1: out of his breaks and like the right footwork. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is weird that, like a
Speaker 1: guy in his fourth year is like the elder statesman
Speaker 1: of this whole group. But it really it was Swaim
Speaker 1: and Schultz and Blake Jarwin and uh some rookie whose
Speaker 1: name I already forgot. I don't even remember who it was.
Speaker 1: I was just like God, and all of these guys
Speaker 1: combined to have fewer seasons in the league than Winton
Speaker 1: ten coaches. Scott Meyer, Well, he's probably looking around, like
Speaker 1: so I have to I mean I have to coach now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I really have to coach these tight ends. I
Speaker 1: don't have a guy that like when he came in
Speaker 1: for his interview, they were like, you know, Witten's gonna
Speaker 1: lead the meetings and like just make sure you're on
Speaker 1: the plane, yea. And now it's Tia tie, you got
Speaker 1: a got a game plan for this, right, coach tight
Speaker 1: ends right. So from what I've watched yesterday and seeing
Speaker 1: how everyone render, you know, rend down the field, caught
Speaker 1: the ball and everything, I like what I saw everyone
Speaker 1: from everyone hold on except Rico. He's still He's just
Speaker 1: he's slow. His body. I feel like it's something that
Speaker 1: it's not coming. It's not his fault. I think it's
Speaker 1: just the way his body is, his built that way,
Speaker 1: and it's just not working out at that position compared
Speaker 1: to everyone else, how slow he is. And he's still
Speaker 1: a quote and I've already done this once this week
Speaker 1: in another capacity, but it's it applies to a lot
Speaker 1: of things. Bill Parcells just say it all the time.
Speaker 1: Knowledge is confidence and confidence lets you play fast. And
Speaker 1: I think he's still dealing with the fact that he's
Speaker 1: still learning how to play this game, in this position,
Speaker 1: this sport. He's still learning how to do it. And
Speaker 1: then you're when you're doing a thinking you're not going
Speaker 1: to be moving athletically. He's probably more athletic than than
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, but he's still trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. That's why when he makes a catch
Speaker 1: he falls down the ground that there was one drill
Speaker 1: where they all were looking at and he makes the catch,
Speaker 1: but he goes to the ground. It's still seems to
Speaker 1: me that he's going up for rebounds. Yeah, instead of
Speaker 1: going running through your route and catching it at the
Speaker 1: at the ten yard line, he's he's stopping around the
Speaker 1: fifteen high, pointing it, going up, getting it, falling to
Speaker 1: the ground traveling. I mean, you can't. He needs to
Speaker 1: still figure out his way to be a football player,
Speaker 1: and he's still not there yet. And he looked good
Speaker 1: in those preseason games, but still we all agree that
Speaker 1: preseason is not the same as a regular season game.
Speaker 1: I had this thought yesterday, and I you know, I
Speaker 1: compared Connor Williams to Zach Martin earlier, so whatever, I'll
Speaker 1: compare Rico to Lebron Why not? Okay, But you know
Speaker 1: it's such a everybody loves to joke like Lebron could
Speaker 1: start it tight end for the Browns, he'd be great.
Speaker 1: And maybe he would. I mean, he's one of the
Speaker 1: best athletes ever. But I just was thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys, they look so big and fast on a
Speaker 1: basketball court because it's one hundred feet long. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of space. I mean, Lebron takes
Speaker 1: four steps and he's from mid court to the rim.
Speaker 1: And Rico I was similar when he played in basketball.
Speaker 1: Like football, it's such a different sport. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. The field is fifty three yards wide.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can cover that much ground, but that's
Speaker 1: only I mean what that's like fifteen yards when you
Speaker 1: need to run twenty five yards downfield of the end zone.
Speaker 1: You know, like it's it's so much more space to cover,
Speaker 1: and so like, even if you're explosive, the space just
Speaker 1: kind of eats you up. And that's just what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about yesterday because I was like, I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I mean, he's not slow, but that
Speaker 1: explosiveness just doesn't translate as well to a football field.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned Lebron a couple weeks ago. He
Speaker 1: had one of the greatest plays I think I've seen
Speaker 1: in a long long time when he took the ball
Speaker 1: coast to coast and the game winning shot against Toronto.
Speaker 1: Against Toronto just what was going ninety four feet but
Speaker 1: then pulls up off Buddy and has the touch to
Speaker 1: to kiss it off the glass because most people are
Speaker 1: just going to crack the backboard because they're gonna throw
Speaker 1: it so hard. And that's the same with with with
Speaker 1: tied end and what Rico's figuring out how to play
Speaker 1: something so physical, so violent, with touch and grace at
Speaker 1: the same time, it is not an easy transition to
Speaker 1: do well. You see, I'm not fully convinced that that
Speaker 1: is the right spot for him. And yes, and I
Speaker 1: was talking to Brian about this after while watching him playing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, why not move him somewhere else? Why
Speaker 1: not tribe him at like the D line or something.
Speaker 1: Put it find him. I mean, he has a body
Speaker 1: for it, There's no doubt he's I think he would
Speaker 1: be more successful at something like that. I think, well,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about explosiveness, I mean, that's like the
Speaker 1: key to playing D line. Though I've heard no shortage
Speaker 1: of people suggests playing him at offensive Yeah, offensive line.
Speaker 1: I would I would give him a shot at that
Speaker 1: somewhere in the line, because the whole thing of him
Speaker 1: taking off, turning around, running, I mean, he just can't
Speaker 1: you know who this guy is to me is Martellis Bennett.
Speaker 1: Because now Martellis was drafted much higher any but he
Speaker 1: played basketball and football a little bit too, And and
Speaker 1: Martellis was athletic um, but there was times when he
Speaker 1: looked kind of slow out there. You don't want a
Speaker 1: screen and stuff. He never really played that athletic. He
Speaker 1: played in the league ten years and I don't know
Speaker 1: how many times he ever just went and dominated a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, high pointed the ball and caught it. And
Speaker 1: I think and Martellis, somebody told him if you know,
Speaker 1: at one point he got up to like two eighty,
Speaker 1: so you gained fifteen twenty more pounds and you'd be
Speaker 1: one of the best left tackles. Ever, he didn't have
Speaker 1: the mindset for that that that's not what he wanted
Speaker 1: to do. He wants to catch touchdowns, be a star.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would think Tyrn Smith is pretty much
Speaker 1: a star too. But a lot of guys don't have
Speaker 1: that mentality to do the dirty work type of stuff.
Speaker 1: They want to be in that more glamorous positions. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Rico's there for that similar Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think, well, and that's right. He likes the spotlight.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a rapper. We've talked about this
Speaker 1: and what was his top song. What was that song? Again?
Speaker 1: I don't think we can say the name of it,
Speaker 1: can't We don't. That's why he started talking about well
Speaker 1: people asked him in the locker room, and as soon
Speaker 1: as he started talking about the whole rapping, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I walked away. No, but he walked away to Coleah.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about two different rappers on this team.
Speaker 1: Of course there are, I mean, m definitely, no, probably
Speaker 1: more than that, but just two that are. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this before yesterday, and just affirms my belief like
Speaker 1: this is going to come to a head at some
Speaker 1: point because Rico Rico said it, We've kind of hinted
Speaker 1: at it. He said it himself. He's like, I was
Speaker 1: ready to play halfway through last season. I was, I'm
Speaker 1: just ready to come back. So there's a disconnect there
Speaker 1: between what he wants and saying what the Cowboys think
Speaker 1: he can or should do. And I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I mean like he's either gonna step up and just
Speaker 1: make it impossible for them to keep him off the
Speaker 1: fifty three, or he's not going to be here in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. That's what I think. One. I mean, if
Speaker 1: they cut him, I think he'll go somewhere else and
Speaker 1: try to catch on or whatever. But I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna let them keep him on the shelf.
Speaker 1: We've got more or another. We've got more about Rico
Speaker 1: Gathers coming on the site later today. I think Rob
Speaker 1: a story, So I will say, I mean, you're looking
Speaker 1: for little things though. I mean they had him on
Speaker 1: pump protect team yesterday when they did their special teams periods,
Speaker 1: and that's it's the little stuff that's gonna get him
Speaker 1: on the team more so. I mean, we know he
Speaker 1: can go up and get the ball. We know that
Speaker 1: it's everything else. So that seemed like a positive step
Speaker 1: if he if he can find a way to contribute
Speaker 1: on special heart when you look at everyone else in
Speaker 1: the tight end group, see him make the team. I
Speaker 1: one way or another, I don't think he'll be on
Speaker 1: this team. That's if. And again this is just me
Speaker 1: speculating before we even get to training camp. One way
Speaker 1: or another. That would kind of surprise met fifty three. Yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, if they caught him and they're like,
Speaker 1: we'll put you on the practice squad, I think he'll
Speaker 1: be like, no thanks, I'll try try my luck elsewhere, Mavericks, Sure,
Speaker 1: why not? Okay, let's move on to the linebacker position.
Speaker 1: And yesterday I saw a picture and when I see
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, Jalen Smith, and Vanderish together, it's a good
Speaker 1: looking trio. I mean it's like, wow, a lot of beef.
Speaker 1: Look at this. They look good. But there's still some
Speaker 1: concern about the whole death in that position. Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: was playing without the brace, and it's something that people
Speaker 1: are excited about to finally see him with that thing off.
Speaker 1: Tell me how I mean, he's still struggling a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a perfect transition from what
Speaker 1: we were just talking about. I mean, you know, if
Speaker 1: you if you didn't know anything about the tight end position,
Speaker 1: you just looked at the five, You're like, I'll ta
Speaker 1: grieko please, I'll take Kim, And just the same with
Speaker 1: the linebacker. So the looks of it is better. Vander
Speaker 1: Esh gives you more more size there, Jaylen Smith, I
Speaker 1: mean he he looks the three healthy. Yeah, they're healthy.
Speaker 1: You know what Sean Lee's gonna be able to if
Speaker 1: we were just if we were picking blind, just lying,
Speaker 1: all ninety of them up and you're just playground style.
Speaker 1: Jayleen Smith is the first pick, and Lee's not up
Speaker 1: there that high. No, Sean Lee, he's one of the
Speaker 1: best players on this team. He's incredible, but like he
Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't look let's terrifying, Like Jayleen Smith, let's
Speaker 1: do that real quick. Let's play the all um off
Speaker 1: the bus team. You're you're you get two picks the
Speaker 1: guys you want to come off the bus first, like
Speaker 1: oh this, this guy's ready to play my off the
Speaker 1: bus team is Jalen Smith. Okay, let let somebody else. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't like this game. Is this something without one pick?
Speaker 1: First overall? And if y'all don't get it and hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, okay, let's all right, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Because I'll tell you the finalists right now. And if
Speaker 1: Ken disagrees with me, well, I mean say, first overall
Speaker 1: you David Irving, David Irving, David Irving. Now apparently yeah,
Speaker 1: he's big. I mean, he's got the he's got the hair.
Speaker 1: I disagree because it's a bus. Tyron is definitely one
Speaker 1: of them. Jalen's one of them. Scarborough bo Scarborough for sure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams too just big. It's you can't just be big,
Speaker 1: you gotta look freaky like Tyrann Smith is big. But
Speaker 1: that's not what's scary about it that there's no fat
Speaker 1: on his body, Zeke. I mean the hair, the hair
Speaker 1: and the beard, like, well, you know what, we got
Speaker 1: four buses and and and we we got big guy bus.
Speaker 1: You know, we even got a media bus. And Shannon's
Speaker 1: gonna win that one for us. I mean, Shannon's off
Speaker 1: the bus first for us, mainly because he sits up there.
Speaker 1: But um, I think and we're just kind of playing
Speaker 1: around a little bit. But but there is something to
Speaker 1: it about having the look, having the size more than anything.
Speaker 1: Um I agree, David Irving, tyr Tyrant Smith, both Scarborough.
Speaker 1: Now even though Scarborough, have you seen his back? No,
Speaker 1: no walking around the please I don't talk behind his back. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're all in the locker room obviously without shirts and
Speaker 1: walking around. Okay, okay, and so what did you see here,
Speaker 1: peeping Tom? Yeah, what what do you got? No? Like,
Speaker 1: his back is absolutely jacked, like there's just like muscles
Speaker 1: on his muscles. It just doesn't look naturally. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like scary, like this is a character from a movie.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like not human. He's he looks
Speaker 1: like a line. No, I didn't see that. Actually, okay,
Speaker 1: I got doing interviews, but you're wearing the locker room then.
Speaker 1: I was doing interviews actually talking to people's I want
Speaker 1: to finish. I want to finish your point, which you know.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked us about Michael Kendricks today the Eagles just
Speaker 1: released him. Just one person asked about that. A few
Speaker 1: you but I mean, I mean, okay, you never know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. You would expect injuries and things
Speaker 1: like that. But all I feel about as good about
Speaker 1: the linebackers as you could ask me to. Right now.
Speaker 1: What's his deal? What's kendricks his deal? You got cut
Speaker 1: mainly for money reasons? I mean, don't ask Brian, but
Speaker 1: see I don't. I don't see it mainly, Okay, Mike,
Speaker 1: Michael Kendricks is good enough to start somewhere, And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys aren't interested in that. They wouldn't. They're not doing that.
Speaker 1: They got guys they feel good about. Yeah. The thing
Speaker 1: about about that is he seems to just be awesome
Speaker 1: against the cowboys. Yes, he's a cowboy killer. I mean
Speaker 1: every time they play him, it's just one playoff for
Speaker 1: another sideline to sideline, and you know, because he get
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. I don't know. I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1: I think the main reason he got cut was money
Speaker 1: more than anything else. But I mean, you got you
Speaker 1: got three that you hope can start. Three to play two,
Speaker 1: three to play, four to play three. Joe Thomas is
Speaker 1: kicking ass that. I did have a conversation with somebody
Speaker 1: on the football side about him. He was like he
Speaker 1: had like two picks in the first ota of the year.
Speaker 1: Like I feel good about that, dude. And the contract
Speaker 1: here for Damian Wilson. I just but we we've seen
Speaker 1: that before. We're contract year. Yeah, you might see, you
Speaker 1: might get a little bit of improvement. I just there's
Speaker 1: got to be a team that needs linebackers more than
Speaker 1: this team who's like Michael Kendricks come start for us,
Speaker 1: whereas we're like, well the Villanova kid too, Shockley Maybe Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I gotta do some more homework on my undraft again.
Speaker 1: And Iowa State Joel Landing sure you know, oh sure? Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: Shockley is the guy that just just production just tackles
Speaker 1: off the chart. Tackles for three years, not just one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to translate to the field. But
Speaker 1: in May, I feel fine about the linebackers. But from
Speaker 1: what you watched yesterday and we know Jalen is still
Speaker 1: a question mark there his whole performance on the field
Speaker 1: from what you got to see yesterday, him being off
Speaker 1: the brace, how what are some of the things that
Speaker 1: he still needs to improve on on the way he moves?
Speaker 1: Lateral mobility is always going to be the thing with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's great that he doesn't have the brace,
Speaker 1: but he's still got to prove that he can do that.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, his instincts too. I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I'm gonna steal a phrase from Brian,
Speaker 1: like he guesses a lot, Like if he gets it,
Speaker 1: then he'll blow the play up. But he's he was
Speaker 1: wrong a lot last year too, So I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got to work on that. But the ability to like
Speaker 1: diagnose something that's going on on the other side of
Speaker 1: the field and get over there with his history with
Speaker 1: his injury, that's going to be the thing. But that's
Speaker 1: what intrigues me so much about him is I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at him as a guy who's going to play
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty snaps at middle linebacker this year. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to play a little bit of Mike
Speaker 1: maybe in run situations where he really only has to
Speaker 1: worry about coming downhill. I think he's gonna play a
Speaker 1: little bit of Sam. I'm super excited. And Brian wrote
Speaker 1: about this in his notebook yesterday. You can go read
Speaker 1: about it. He was doing pass rush stuff yesterday. I
Speaker 1: think if they commit to it, I think Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: could be like a guy with five or six sacks
Speaker 1: if they wanted him to be. I mean, for him,
Speaker 1: to me, it's just it's just if he doesn't, I
Speaker 1: want to see what happens when he has to run
Speaker 1: more than ten yards. I mean, we have a real
Speaker 1: gallop on the team now, but we've had one for
Speaker 1: you know, last year as well, the way he kind
Speaker 1: of had that little hitch in his run. If that's
Speaker 1: gone and it seems like it kind of is, I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna see a bunch better player. I agree
Speaker 1: with that, but I guess my point is too, is
Speaker 1: you can kind of tailor what he does to where
Speaker 1: you're not asking him to run distances like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, go get the quarterback or plug this running off.
Speaker 1: Its coordinators figure that out and then they make him
Speaker 1: go run for sure. So we saw it a couple
Speaker 1: of times where he just didn't have that speed when
Speaker 1: when the play broke down to go get him. And
Speaker 1: I he's vowed that he's going to be a better
Speaker 1: player than he was at Notre Dame, and he I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the I've said this, he's the most optimistic person
Speaker 1: in the history of the world. So I can't I
Speaker 1: can't take him at face value. I hope it's true. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but I have a good feeling about him between the
Speaker 1: different ways you can use him, and he's another year
Speaker 1: removed from that. It doesn't matter who you are when
Speaker 1: something when a first round pick is drafted at your position,
Speaker 1: then it's gonna get your attention. It just it just is.
Speaker 1: If Jalen Smith was everything they wanted him to be
Speaker 1: right now, they wouldn't have drafted drafted in the first round.
Speaker 1: They need a linebacker in the second round or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's a good point, I think. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's an animosity. It just means, like, hey watch this,
Speaker 1: Whitten did it for years Witten. They drafted second round
Speaker 1: tight ends and it fueled him. So now we since
Speaker 1: we started kind of late, hand hold on Ken, don't
Speaker 1: get us soft yet. Wow, we we got like two
Speaker 1: minutes less. I'm not done, huh. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: go around the room real quick. Who was your rookie
Speaker 1: standout from yesterday? Because people are asking about that. Who
Speaker 1: stood out to you yesterday? I know the rookies. Uh
Speaker 1: probably My answer is just gonna keep being Connor because
Speaker 1: I mean he's getting all the opportunities with the ones
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's the starting left guard. He just is,
Speaker 1: and so he gets to do that, and he looked
Speaker 1: good and so yeah, yeah, and this this still very
Speaker 1: early and there's only a few positions that you can
Speaker 1: really see some stuff. But I do like the zip
Speaker 1: that Mike White brings there. He's still let's see what
Speaker 1: happens when the when you know, getting in the games
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I do like the way
Speaker 1: he throws the ball, especially on an ounce. So he's
Speaker 1: a guy that seems like he can make all the throws.
Speaker 1: Um and that's that's a good start for him. All right,
Speaker 1: can't hit it now? We can? Now we can hit
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