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Speaker 1: Welcome in. It is a Monday. Great to be here, Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next year. Live in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: The Herd. Forty two year old Aaron Rodgers my comeback

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Speaker 1: player of the year. Good for him, good story. Pat

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Speaker 1: hasselback just around the corner. Let's not waste any time

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Speaker 1: this week. Starting Thursday, It's going to be as good

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Speaker 1: as college and pro football has been in this country

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Speaker 1: in a long time. I'm multiple potential upsets right, wrong,

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Speaker 1: and here we.

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Speaker 2: Go where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I picked the Denver Broncos before the season to win

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Speaker 1: the AFC West and unseat Kansas City despite Russell Wilson's

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Speaker 1: cap hit still being thirty two million on the books,

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Speaker 1: bo Nicks I was a huge fan. Twenty four wins

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Speaker 1: tied for the most ever first two seasons for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton may bother people time to time, but he's

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Speaker 1: one of the few NFL coaches I trust in the

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Speaker 1: draft room and the film room. He knows like Jimmy Johnson.

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Speaker 1: He knows personnel, He gets trades, play design, play calling.

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Speaker 1: Denver was one of my better picks of the year

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Where Colin was wraw, Kevin Stefanski got fired.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it, of all the fired coaches, I

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Speaker 1: think he has a really viable market. He's a two

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Speaker 1: time coach of the Year who had to swim in

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Speaker 1: chaos because of ownership a Deshaun Watson deal. In twenty

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Speaker 1: three years, the Browns have won two playoff games. Guess

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Speaker 1: who the coach for both was. Kevin Stefanski an intellect,

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Speaker 1: he's calm, he's a mentor, he's a teacher. If I

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Speaker 1: was the Raiders, I would have hired him an hour ago.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I lobbied for the Miami Hurricanes to make the College

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Speaker 1: Football Playoff over Notre Dame. Well, they've beaten Texas A and

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Speaker 1: M and Ohio State and they're favored over Old Miss.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think losing to an eight win Louisville team

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Speaker 1: is more like pro football, and the most physical team

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Speaker 1: left and I don't think there's any question. Is the

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Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes one of the glamour programs in college football

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Speaker 1: that pushed the Buckeyes around in a three and a half.

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Speaker 2: Hour flex where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I have play a lot of the Cowboys from

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Speaker 1: moving off Michah Parsons, and I love the fact and

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Speaker 1: a good draft they have two first round picks, but

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Speaker 1: this coaching staff was not equipped to handle it. It

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Speaker 1: exposed an incredibly weak secondary, worse than the NFL defensively

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Speaker 1: it played very well in the locker room, where Micah

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Speaker 1: like the deal, but right now it looks like it

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Speaker 2: Miss where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Nine of the fourteen playoff teams have offensive coaches, most

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Speaker 1: notably Liam Cohan Ben Johnson. Folks, if you've got a

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Speaker 1: guy that has a quarterback sensibility. Caleb's talent has now

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches, was the O line. Interior Ben Johnson got

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Speaker 1: the Bears to a number two seed. Just say that

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Well, my portfolio has never had a lot of Jaguar stock,

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Don't overthink the room. I said at mid season, Fernando

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was raw, I defended.

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Speaker 1: Not only acquiring Kirk Cousins but drafting Michael Pennix. But

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like I was on the right side of

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Speaker 1: that one. Colin Wright, Colin wrong in a Monday and

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Speaker 1: with that eighteen years in the NFL, our friend Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselback now joining us live. I gotta tell you, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching Aaron Rodgers last night and he didn't have DK

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Speaker 3: Well, double moves right end of the game. You can

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Speaker 3: tell that the defense is squatting on you. You empower the

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Speaker 3: guys in the huddle. You talk to your wide receiver, Hey,

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Speaker 3: hitching go to set up the game winner. Now, there

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Speaker 4: I mean I think he delivered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Their receivers just don't get open a lot. I

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Speaker 3: Can I just add on that though, Like, guys don't

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Speaker 4: Double moves are one of them.

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Speaker 3: And so if you're having a hard time getting open,

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and double move. You like the hitching

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Speaker 3: And a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers has the cachet and

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Speaker 3: all the accolades to say, yeah, we're gonna put it all,

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Speaker 3: all our chips on the table. We're gonna double move

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Speaker 3: you here at the end, And that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: You know. I didn't like much about Pittsburgh this year.

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Speaker 1: They blew two coverages, Zay Flowers wide open twice, they

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Speaker 1: So in the end, Lamar Jackson harball, where do you

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Speaker 3: Back, Yeah, bring the band back. With the band has

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Speaker 3: to be better. Your best players got to play their

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Speaker 3: best now. At times, yesterday Lamar Jackson looked like the

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Speaker 3: all world quarterback that we've seen sacked by not only

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Speaker 3: don't get him down, we got no shot. Zay Flowers

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Speaker 3: problem is Lamar wasn't superman all year long. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know the reasons. I would say this though, when

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Speaker 3: I look at his year, how many weeks did he

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Speaker 1: for three quarters yesterday they didn't do anything offensively. It

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Speaker 1: addressed it after the game. They are now a home

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Speaker 1: underdog to a Green Bay team that hasn't won a

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Speaker 1: we do not trust Chicago now. Two weeks ago, when

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Speaker 1: the don't care that much about seeding. They were good

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Speaker 3: Well now I'm actually not that concern. I'm gaining more

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Speaker 3: respect for them. First of all, I think Ben Johnson

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Speaker 4: I think he's great.

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Speaker 3: The work that he's done with this young quarterback has

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Speaker 3: of like procrastinators, Like if you just told this team,

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Speaker 4: Got to get better at that.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what Ben Johnson addressed at the

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Speaker 4: So and I think he knows that it's going to take.

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Speaker 3: A way stronger effort in January in playoff football than

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Speaker 4: That works.

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Speaker 3: This defense is really impressive getting turnovers. This team can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean Payton says he wants it. Let's go back

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Speaker 4: There's not like one clear team that could win it.

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Speaker 1: They're the two seed, they're at home. I still contend

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's the thing that doing. The Patriots

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Speaker 1: Okay, so basically if you watch the regular season, there's

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Speaker 3: The Jags should be favored in this game, Like they're

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Speaker 3: I've been on so many wild card teams where you

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Speaker 4: Our season's not ending today.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying Josh Allen needs to do,

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Speaker 4: There's zero and zero.

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Speaker 3: It's a new season, and that's the mentality in the

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll wait until next week to look at

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Speaker 3: You gotta forget it's not called like expect what you expect.

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Speaker 4: They were this close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. God, what a year for Kyle Twelve wins for

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Speaker 1: Finally, I like Chicago at home against Green Bay. I

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Speaker 1: Your take on Packers Bears, great matchup, rivalry game. It

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Speaker 1: was an awesome game the last time.

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Speaker 4: You know, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Hafley, I do think he's one of the great defensive coordinators.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons that he'll be up for,

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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of these head coaching opportunities.

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Speaker 4: But I think the run game matters.

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Speaker 3: You know, in Chicago's done just such a great job

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Speaker 3: with run game, and then creativity and then kyleb being

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Speaker 3: an athlete and kind of making something plays clearly got

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Speaker 3: chemistry with young tight end. But that you know, this

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Speaker 3: is a situation where Jeff Haffley third time around, Like

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Speaker 3: third time around games are really interesting because that's where

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Speaker 3: I believe the coaching matters more. When you play someone

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Speaker 3: three times, especially in a short amount of time, coaching

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Speaker 3: is just so incredibly important. So these is this a

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Speaker 3: great I mean, Ben Johnson, you know how I feel

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Speaker 3: about him.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the best.

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Speaker 3: And Jeff Affley, I think, you know, he's one of

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Speaker 3: the guys that the league thinks is one of the best.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I can't I can't call this one.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great game.

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Speaker 1: Did you, even at the end of your career go

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Speaker 1: to your last couple of playoff appearances, were you. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if nervous is the right word, but when

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Speaker 1: you're walking out for a playoff game, tell the audience

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Speaker 1: how different it does feel. Because I've talked to Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning before about that. He's like, oh no, no, it's a

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Speaker 1: speeds different. Everything feels different.

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Speaker 3: Nothing hurts, you know, everyone's like, oh, I'm banged up

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Speaker 3: ball season, nothing hurts. I remember the Beast Quake game.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're seven to nine. Everyone said, Oh, you

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Speaker 3: don't deserve to even play this game. How dare you

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Speaker 3: make the defending world champs Saints come all the way

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Speaker 3: out to South Alaska in Seattle to play you guys?

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Speaker 3: I played it with a broken wrist. Nothing hurts. You're

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Speaker 3: so excited, And I think one of the things that's

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Speaker 3: so great about it is that you all your like

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Speaker 3: all your peers are at home watching.

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Speaker 4: Like the rest of the league, whether they're in, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, out of the playoffs or playing on a different

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Speaker 3: time like they're watching too. And I think for the players,

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Speaker 3: like gaining the respect of your kind of your peers, coaches,

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Speaker 3: players and that kind of thing, I think that's.

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Speaker 4: Really important, guys.

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Speaker 3: It was always important to me, so having that opportunity

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Speaker 3: to play like sort of for free. I remember the

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Speaker 3: first time in the wildcard game where Steve Young threw

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Speaker 3: it to t o down the middle. I was playing,

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Speaker 3: was on the Packers Niners, And remember Brett Favre like

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Speaker 3: broke down the team before the game and he was like,

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Speaker 3: all right, guys, we're playing for free today.

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Speaker 4: We're playing for the love of the game.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, man, love of the game, like

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Speaker 3: you know, like that's what it means.

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Speaker 4: To most of the guys. Now.

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Speaker 3: For him, he took a huge pay cut because the

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Speaker 3: wildcard check was like this to his main salary, and

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Speaker 3: it was like that to my regular salary. Like, but

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Speaker 3: but that's the that's the feeling on the lot on

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Speaker 3: the field of the guys that are playing. This is

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Speaker 3: for the love of the game and for the respect

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Speaker 3: of your peers. And you're on borrowed time and you

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Speaker 3: cut it loose and have fun and that's why it's

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Speaker 3: so wild.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's so fun. That's why upsets happened. My

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Speaker 4: favorite weekend, it's it's so good.

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Speaker 1: By the way, your last playoff run seven touchdowns, one

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Speaker 1: pick and a one to one point for passer rating and.

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Speaker 4: Not bad, not bad, Colin not bad.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys play in cleats back then? What?

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Speaker 4: You know what our.

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Speaker 3: Last game we played at Chicago Soldier.

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Speaker 4: Field and it was so cold.

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Speaker 3: We should not have played on cleats, played in cleats,

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Speaker 3: should have played in like basketball shoes because it was frozen.

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Speaker 4: It was They were.

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Speaker 3: Spray painting the field green before the game, so it

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Speaker 3: looked like there was grass on TV.

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Speaker 4: But it was just like dirt at that point, the

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Speaker 4: frozen dirt.

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Speaker 1: You outdueled the Saints, Drew Brees. We've got it right there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then got outdueled by the Bears the next week,

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Speaker 3: so it was you know, that's the thing about the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: You got to do it every week, but this first one.

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Speaker 3: Want to know, you know, everybody zero and zero and

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Speaker 3: I think that's the exciting thing for really everybody.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Matt Hasselbet, good see anybody all right?

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Speaker 4: Seekon?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the I mean even Caroline and the Rams. Caroline's

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Speaker 1: got two huge perimeter receivers, and that is really the weakness.

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Speaker 1: The difference is. I thought Stafford played one of the

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Speaker 1: few poor games all year. Just didn't. Didn't, just went

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Speaker 1: on the road long trip. Rams were out of sync.

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is back. If the number comes down to ten,

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Speaker 1: I would take the Rams ten and a half day.

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Speaker 6: Why don't you just buy it to nine and a half.

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Speaker 7: I just asked our research staff for some numbers on

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Speaker 7: double digit favorites in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: I can't give that up on Monday. Come on, save

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Speaker 6: that for later in the.

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Speaker 1: We've discussed us for years now with every ownership group

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Speaker 1: in the NFL billionaires that look how many teams are

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Speaker 1: moving off coaches within a year. You get one year.

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Speaker 1: These coaches are making ten million plus a year and

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Speaker 1: they're blowing them out after a year. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that was not the cake. Now, Cincinnati'll never do that

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Speaker 1: because their owners are the most frugal in the league.

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Speaker 1: But the Raiders that we didn't think was one of

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Speaker 1: the rich ownership groups. Antonio Pears boom, Josh McDaniels before him, boom,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll one year, boom. They're paying a lot of coaches.

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Speaker 1: J mack with a news This.

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Speaker 2: Is the herd line news.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's revisit that Raven Steelers thriller from last night.

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Speaker 7: Colin A million places to go with this one. By

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Speaker 7: the way, I had the under which was looking great

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Speaker 7: early fourth quarter, then.

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Speaker 6: The chaos erupts. This passed by Lamar Jackson. I'm like

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Speaker 6: screaming in my house.

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Speaker 7: How did he get away from the sack Zay Flowers

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Speaker 7: get behind the defense.

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Speaker 6: Just an unbelievable finish at this point, right, Zay Flowers

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Speaker 6: deep like you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens guy.

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Speaker 7: Yea, I say a likely fourth down and then the

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Speaker 7: young kid loop. You feel so bad for the rookie kicker.

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Speaker 7: Remember the Justin Tucker off season drama. They had to

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Speaker 7: boot him out. They get the rookie he misses. Here's

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Speaker 7: Lamar talking about his future after the loss.

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Speaker 8: We just off the game, you know, a divisional game,

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Speaker 8: you know, a game.

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Speaker 4: To put us in player us.

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Speaker 6: I'm not even thinking about that right now.

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Speaker 8: To be honest with those still caught up in what

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Speaker 8: just happened, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think my focus anymore.

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Speaker 8: You you asked me about next year, Jamison, I'm so

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Speaker 8: caught up in what does this happening tonight?

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Speaker 2: I can't I can't focus on that right now.

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Speaker 8: I just told you, like he asked me, are you

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Speaker 8: still I'm still I'm still trying to process of what's

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Speaker 8: going on.

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Speaker 6: That's I know we lost, but but the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a real fair question.

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Speaker 7: I think the better discussion is next year. But I

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Speaker 7: understand where Lamar's.

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Speaker 1: Coming from, right, Yeah, I mean it's that's this. That

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Speaker 1: game for most of it looked exactly like a Steel

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Speaker 1: raven game would. And then the defense for Pittsburgh got

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Speaker 1: incredibly leaky. H Jaylen Ramsey on a couple of plays,

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Speaker 1: like what's he doing? What is he doing? So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's Baltimore. I mean, who's the best team

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Speaker 1: that missed the playoffs? Is it Baltimore, Baltimore, Detroit? Maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, Detroit, Detroit and Baltimore.

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Speaker 6: Tuit swept your Bears.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean, so anyway, let's go to the

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Speaker 7: Ravens real quick. So a lot of coaches getting fired today.

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Speaker 7: There's questions about Harball, There's questions about Lamar by the way,

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Speaker 7: third largest cap hit next year, seventy four million behind

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Speaker 7: Deshaun Watson and Mahomes.

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Speaker 6: This is not an easy rebuild. I don't think they're

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Speaker 6: like a piece or two away.

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Speaker 7: In Baltimore column. Offensive line's bad, secondary is horrible. Marlon

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Speaker 7: Humphrey's just getting roasted every week. Derek Henry's old, by

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Speaker 7: the way, another Derek Henry weird carry game at the end.

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Speaker 7: Both we could be entering an era where I mean,

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Speaker 7: do you think the Ravens are a lock.

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Speaker 6: For the playoffs next year. Do you think the.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are a lock? Well, I don't think there are

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Speaker 1: many locks because quarterbacks get hurt. I think they're a

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Speaker 1: really well run organization. I mean next year they have

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to rework this. But a seventy

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Speaker 1: four million dollar cap hit on Lamar. So you know

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Speaker 1: Lamar is still a dynamic player, is he? No?

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Speaker 6: I mean we could play that he got injured, and

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Speaker 6: he did.

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Speaker 7: He missed a bunch of time. He didn't look totally

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Speaker 7: explosive last night.

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Speaker 1: He's been healthy all year. I don't. I mean I

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Speaker 1: saw something, listen. I mean, I don't want to overreact

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Speaker 1: to it because if that field goal goals in, they're

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Speaker 1: a playoff're in the playoffs. I'm not. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to say, oh, fire this and

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Speaker 1: do that, Like the guy hitson was a forty four

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Speaker 1: yard kick, you're in.

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Speaker 7: But the opposite is also true. If he makes that.

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Speaker 7: What are we saying about Aaron Rodgers today?

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Speaker 6: It's over.

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Speaker 7: He's your retire right now. Steelers fans are like, hey,

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Speaker 7: we're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: The next decisions are made in life based on an

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Speaker 1: instant or a moment all the time.

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Speaker 6: That's just wild. Good luck Lamar.

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Speaker 7: Next, let's stay in the AFC North all we didn't even.

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Speaker 6: Talk about Miles Garrett needed one sack to break the

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Speaker 6: single season seck.

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Speaker 7: Record, and he got it in the fourth Joe Burrow

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Speaker 7: kind of capitulating there. Garrett's are passed TJ. Watt and

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Speaker 7: Michael Strahan atop the list. Here he is on setting

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Speaker 7: the record.

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Speaker 11: It was everything I expected I was. It was so tough.

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Speaker 11: I knew, I know they were gonna make a difficult bet.

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Speaker 11: I don't think I saw more than three singles on

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Speaker 11: a on a real drive back the whole game, and

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Speaker 11: I just knew that if I did have to make

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Speaker 11: that moment count and like the filing couldn't be better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was gonna get it eventually. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a weird game. Joe Burrow picked six disappointing game.

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Speaker 7: I mean the Bengals the Browns had two defensive touchdowns

658
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Speaker 7: and no offensive touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: So Joe Burrow once again does not make the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: I think that's three years in a row, is it.

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Speaker 7: They're on the struggle bus right now?

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Speaker 1: Man, Well, you haven't It's remarkable to me that you

663
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Speaker 1: can be a billionaire and not get why you're back, Like,

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Speaker 1: stop being cheap now. Cincinnati is a small economy, not

665
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Speaker 1: a lot of game day revenue. They can't charge the

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Speaker 1: same for seats that the Eagles could charge or a

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Speaker 1: you know, the Dallas Cowboys could charge. But it's I

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Speaker 1: say it again, Joe Burrow is the best quarterback of

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Speaker 1: my adult life that regularly misses the playoffs. And it's

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Speaker 1: not on Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 7: There were some comments in Burrow after the game. Some

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Speaker 7: veiled comments about how important this offseason is.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: They said, I I'm going to sleep in and do

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Speaker 1: what I want.

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Speaker 7: It almost feels like, hey Browns, sorry Bengals, this is

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Speaker 7: your last offseason.

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Speaker 6: Fix it or I'm out of here now. I don't

679
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Speaker 6: he does to have.

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Speaker 1: That power, but I mean, Joe Burrow has sent the

681
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Speaker 1: message multiple times in off seasons. I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: have fun. He doesn't mention football. I'm gonna go have

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Speaker 1: fun because I think deep down and he's right, You're

684
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Speaker 1: not committed to me. You've never built one good old

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Speaker 1: line in seven years. I'm not gonna hit the weight

686
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Speaker 1: room on Tuesday. You're not committed to me that I'm

687
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Speaker 1: not committed to you, and I'll tell you Joe Burrow

688
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Speaker 1: is one of those athletes. I felt this with Mike

689
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Speaker 1: Trout with the Angels. He deserves better, He deserves better teammates.

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Speaker 7: I feel this is the guy who's been playing tackle

691
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Speaker 7: football for with like fifteen years. I wonder if he

692
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Speaker 7: would be willing to play the card. Hey, fix this

693
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Speaker 7: or I'm out of here. If you don't want to

694
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Speaker 7: trade me, I will retire. I'll pull and Andrew Luck

695
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Speaker 7: and just walk away.

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Speaker 1: He's got the money, yeah, and he seems.

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Speaker 7: To like have a lifestyle outside of football with the

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Speaker 7: fashion stuff and the ig girlfriend.

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: Final story.

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Speaker 7: Oh we're still talking about the Kansas City Chiefs. How

702
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Speaker 7: about this dumpster fire Colin losing to the Raiders. What

703
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 7: an embarrassment? Oh my gosh. Travis Kelsey, I guess it's

704
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Speaker 7: over for the legendary tight end. He had a couple

705
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Speaker 7: catches from you know, the third string quarterback. Here is

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Speaker 7: Kelsey talking about perhaps being his final game in Vegas.

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Speaker 5: I'm proud of the way we finished this. Even though

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Speaker 5: you know they ended the way he did. Guys still

709
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 5: showed up gave it. They're all and that's all you

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Speaker 5: can ask for.

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Speaker 7: A man.

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Speaker 5: I got so much love for this team, this organization

713
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Speaker 5: and the people here. Who knows who knows, Either it

714
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Speaker 5: hits me quick or I got to take some time.

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Speaker 5: I think last year was a little bit easier. I

716
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Speaker 5: think I knew right away I wanted to kind of

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Speaker 5: give this one a shot, so I know we'll see it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Ober definitely over.

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Speaker 7: I don't think anybody thought the Chiefs would be this bad,

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Speaker 7: and I don't want to hear about the Mahomes injury.

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Speaker 6: They were bad before. It kind of look at that

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Speaker 6: three catches for twelve yards.

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Speaker 7: If I were to ask you right now, do you

724
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Speaker 7: think the Chiefs are a playoff team next year?

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, I do think.

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Speaker 7: I think that's a little I mean again, Burrow is

727
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Speaker 7: on the come up, Ravens aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a bad quarterback draft class, so somebody's going

729
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Speaker 1: to overpay for Malik Willis and Max Jones probably, So

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Speaker 1: what you're looking at in the playoffs will not changed.

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Speaker 1: Next year's draft order is going to look a lot

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Speaker 1: like this draft order. Okay, because outside of the Raiders

733
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Speaker 1: getting Mendoza, who's going to solve their quarterback issue.

734
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Speaker 7: So you like the seven that are in okay, and

735
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Speaker 7: then you've got the Ravens on the right, on the outside,

736
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Speaker 7: and there's someone else that Listen.

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Speaker 1: The average is four or five new playoff teams. If

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Speaker 1: I had to guess, I'd say Ravens get in, Chiefs

739
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Speaker 1: get in, and no, I don't trust the ownership. So

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Speaker 1: if you're telling me I have to pick three or

741
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Speaker 1: four new playoff teams, I would say, Lions get back in.

742
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Speaker 1: They replace the OC. They go spend money on a

743
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Speaker 1: good OC or a top OC. Lions get back in,

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Speaker 1: Ravens get back in, Chiefs get back in.

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Speaker 7: I think you need to think a little broader, like

746
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Speaker 7: think like New York Giants, Washington coming.

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Speaker 1: In four years in a row I found. I told

748
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Speaker 1: you before, if the Cowboys spent money and got a

749
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Speaker 1: big time coach, I'd put Dallas up there. But they

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Speaker 1: won't do that.

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Speaker 7: I was probably. Listen, Remember, we're never wrong, we're just early.

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Speaker 7: I love the Tennessee Titans this year, Colin. They've got

753
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Speaker 7: a lot of cap room, a lot of draft picks.

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Speaker 1: Who's a coach? There?

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Speaker 6: You go?

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Speaker 7: Can it be Kevin Stefanski, he'd be great because cam

757
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Speaker 7: Ward at.

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Speaker 6: Times look good.

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Speaker 7: I'm just telling you I think the Chiefs I don't

760
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Speaker 7: want to go I don't want to make any predictions now,

761
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Speaker 7: but it's not going to be easy for them.

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 7: You look at that cap situation, the talent, the number

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Speaker 7: of free agents they have.

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Speaker 1: No j Mack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping back The Herd.

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Speaker 1: Lie, I'll tell you what the Raiders shouldn't do. Plus,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski gets fired in Cleveland, the owner of the

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Speaker 1: Browns is talking.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 7: Tomorrow night, it's a college hoops tripleheader on FS one,

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Speaker 7: starting with a Big ten battle as Michigan takes on

775
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Speaker 7: Penn State, then a lone star showdown between Texas Tech

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Speaker 7: and Houston. Out west, it's San Diego State, Nevada, and

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Speaker 7: I'll tips off at seven Eastern only on FS one.

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Speaker 1: So Kevin Stefanski got fired by Cleveland two time NFL

779
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Speaker 1: Coach of the Year in a week job market, It's

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Speaker 1: a week job market for head coaches. They think they

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Speaker 1: can do better than Kevin Stefanski. I would hire him

782
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Speaker 1: in one second. In Las Vegas, there's a story there

783
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Speaker 1: that the Raiders that can't get the coach right, they

784
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: just can't. They can't get the coach right. They're going

785
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: to go Brian dable Oc and then Brian Flores, who

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Speaker 1: I like a lot as the head coach. I think

787
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Speaker 1: those guys are really intense. There's a lot of volume,

788
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: and I think mendoz Of the quarterback out of Indiana,

789
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: would do much better with Stefanski, who's more of a teacher.

790
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, go look at Liam Cohen or Ben Johnson.

791
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean, go, look what is working with young quarterbacks.

792
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: It's offensive coaches. So Sean Payton with bo Nicks, look

793
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: at what is working. It's not defensive coaches. Pennix has

794
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: disappeared with Raheem Morris who got fired, disappeared, So you know,

795
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Speaker 1: I would say this Jade and Daniels. There's all sorts

796
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: of stories back and forth about what's going on there.

797
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn defensive coach, some of it injuries, and then

798
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: there's stories beyond that. So Stefanski to Vegas would I

799
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: would seal the deal because I think he has a market,

800
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: but he's probably sitting around waiting to see what Buffalo

801
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: does against Jackson Bill because if you can inherit Josh

802
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Allen as a coach. But here's Jimmy Haslam, And I mean,

803
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: I think this is so hollow to me. Here it is,

804
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: first of all, ownership takes full responsibility for where we are.

805
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 6: To win a games in two years is horrible.

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Speaker 10: It's totally unacceptable, okay, and it's not going to continue, okay.

807
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 10: And I want the fans to know we are as

808
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 10: frustrated as you are. And we hear a lot from

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Speaker 10: our fans, which we actually appreciate.

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Speaker 1: We have great.

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Speaker 10: Fans, They're extremely passionate, and they deserve better than what

812
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 10: they've gotten in the last two years. Okay, I don't

813
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 10: need to say anything else. We are going to give

814
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Speaker 10: you a better product. Our sole goal here is to

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Speaker 10: be a consistent letter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not going to happen. So Shador Sanders, who's okay.

817
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bottom five probably quarterback talent in

818
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Speaker 1: the league. As a starter. He's fine and it's kind

819
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: of fun. Can make some plays. But we got seven

820
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: games on tape. I don't think anybody's blown away with

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Speaker 1: an average arm, average athlete, he's okay. And because of

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Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson deal, you can't overpay and go get

823
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: mac Jones. And now you've lost an offensive coach who's

824
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Speaker 1: respected in the league. So I had an old boss

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Speaker 1: that said, this year's ago, if you fire somebody, you'll

826
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Speaker 1: know if you're right based on how long they're on

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Speaker 1: the market. How long before they're interviewing other places. Defanski's

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Speaker 1: going to be interviewing by next week, so you know. Again,

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland's won two playoff games in twenty three years.

830
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: He won both. So the current vacancies, I mean, these

831
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Speaker 1: are not good jobs, like at all. I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants is the best because I have Jackson Dart, I

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Speaker 1: have Andrew Thomas, I have Scataboo, I have neighbors. I

834
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Speaker 1: got some nice offensive pieces. They have to upgrade at

835
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Speaker 1: tight end. They're all lines not terrible. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what PFF ranks, but it's not terrible. And they also

837
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Speaker 1: have elite pass rusher and Abdul Carter. So there's some

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Speaker 1: players with the Giants. They're stuff there. And whether or

839
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Speaker 1: not I think Jackson dart is an a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's good enough to be a franchise quarterback. We've seen that.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna get Scataboo back. They're gonna get Neighbors back,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas left tackle. I think the Giants is the

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Speaker 1: best of those jobs. To me, again, it would be

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Speaker 1: different if it was a great college quarterback draft class

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Speaker 1: that's next year. So the Raiders are going to take

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza. He's got Brock Bauers at Ashton gent Why

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Speaker 1: not give him an offensive coach because you've tried Antonio Pierce,

848
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Speaker 1: who I thought the team played really hard for Pete Carroll.

849
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: The team dissolved into a pile of rubble. Josh McDaniel

850
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Speaker 1: didn't work. I would go Stefanski. Here's the NFL draft order. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: tell me if you've seen these teams before. At the

852
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: top of a draft order, it's a lot of owners.

853
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Like generally, there's one great coaching candidate every year, Harball.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ben Johnson was a great coaching candidate. You

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00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: know you get Sean Payton was a great coaching candidate. Stefanski,

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00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: to me, is your best coaching candidate. We'll go look

857
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: at the last five years when the number one coaching

858
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: candidate has been hired. What's happened. He's turned it around. So, boy,

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00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: these are bad jobs. The Giant says, I could live

860
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: with the Giant chiefs. Obviously it is a good job.

861
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Bengals are keeping their guy. There's some This is a

862
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: I told you two years ago. It's becoming the NBA.

863
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: The gap between the top ten and the bottom eight

864
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: is there's some G League teams on that list, man,

865
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Speaker 1: and there are no quarterbacks in sight.