WEBVTT - They Told Us Our Son Would Never Wake Up!

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we've got a very special guest on today's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>When's the last time you were on December?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think it was a year before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, that was the show spell

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<v Speaker 3>It c.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, yeah, we're on because your mom. Your

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<v Speaker 1>mom was worried about COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh vaccinations, things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's the result of that.

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<v Speaker 2>She seems fine, she seems good. She has high blood pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>she has to take medication, but other than that, she's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Amber Smith, my wife, I should say that for

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<v Speaker 1>people listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, I just agree.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well, welcome back. Uh, we've we've been changing.

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<v Speaker 1>We had an episode that we released last week. We

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<v Speaker 1>had the brothers, Tyler and Parker, and we've been changing

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<v Speaker 1>the room around.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>We weren't quite happy with how that one looked, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was just very typical advancement and I so we

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<v Speaker 1>move things around again and here we are. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>in this seat, which I think it's a good seat. Okay, good,

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<v Speaker 1>there's reason, there's a specific reason why you're there instead

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<v Speaker 1>of here. Okay, So we're going to be the main

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<v Speaker 1>guest in your chair.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because if you look at the how long

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<v Speaker 3>this this podcast is easily twice as much time went

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<v Speaker 3>into the setup of the podcast today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, easily. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I told her Andrew, I'm gonna get here. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get there a little bit early, and I'll walked in

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<v Speaker 3>and he goes, wow, you you did mean early, like

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<v Speaker 3>two hours before the podcast. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If people knew how many times this room has been

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<v Speaker 2>rearranged with different tables and chairs and couches, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They do, oh geez, yeah, oh g's people that have

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<v Speaker 1>watched this podcast long enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, real ones know what it looked like in

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<v Speaker 3>the very beginning. Yeah, after you. Speaking of channels, brand

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<v Speaker 3>new channel launches July twenty first, I see launches. That's when.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only place you'll be able to get the

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<v Speaker 3>video podcast. It's on the brand new Granger Smith podcas

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<v Speaker 3>Past YouTube channel. It's linked in the description right here.

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<v Speaker 3>To go there, click that and hit subscribe. Everything you

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<v Speaker 3>watch on the normal Granger Smith channel will be available there,

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<v Speaker 3>but after episode three oh one, which will come out

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<v Speaker 3>in July twenty first, that will only be on the

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<v Speaker 3>brand new channel. Yeah, if you're listening everything stays the

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<v Speaker 3>same for you. Everything stays the same exactly like it

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<v Speaker 3>is right now. But if you watch, that'll be the

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<v Speaker 3>place you need to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, which is which is exciting. Did I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you we're doing that?

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<v Speaker 3>No news to you all the time? You learn them

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<v Speaker 3>on the podcast if you listen to the podcast, what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Yeah, so we're doing that. And then the big

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<v Speaker 1>news going on tour with the podcast, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Big big announcement last week taking the podcast on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Did know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>You did? You did tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it really it's kind of revolving around your

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<v Speaker 1>book release October What to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteenth?

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteenth? Is that date even released?

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<v Speaker 2>Not publicly? Is no?

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<v Speaker 3>Do I to bleep that out?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know? Actually let me I'll let you know

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<v Speaker 2>after this email, my email, my editor.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know any edits.

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<v Speaker 1>And then may we release things. That's what we do

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. We get new information.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I knew a long time ago. I heard

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<v Speaker 3>it on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we we did that with ee Fest released on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. That's way before. And I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 1>the title of your book it is, No, you're not shot.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't. They won't let me say it until I

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<v Speaker 2>believe around mid July.

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<v Speaker 3>Really would mid July be the should we should be

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<v Speaker 3>back on the podcast. The very first podcast on the

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<v Speaker 3>new channel could be the release of the title of

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<v Speaker 3>the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. It's a good title. It's a good cover.

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<v Speaker 2>I left a hint somewhere recently, but I can't say where,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't say what.

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<v Speaker 3>Publishers just search search everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a great book. So I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited about this book because I get to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of take a passenger seat to all of this. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with like a river she was with me

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<v Speaker 1>and you were doing the passenger seat thing. But so

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<v Speaker 1>now I'll get to go, for instance, go to New

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<v Speaker 1>York do the shows, and I'll take Lincoln to go

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<v Speaker 1>see tourist things. That's what she did with London last time.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there might be like a thing that like a

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<v Speaker 1>Fox and Friends that I'm needed for and then she'll

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<v Speaker 1>go do all the other things podcasts and dateline and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, and I won't be there. So we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>see you know, the sites and get some good food

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City. I've never gotten to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you forgot? You've you've you've been on a late

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<v Speaker 3>night show though, like you've been Kimmel.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, I've just anytime I go to LA or

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<v Speaker 1>New York, it's usually wrapped around on the release of something,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone gets to kind of see things, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have your work the whole time, and I work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the main things and everything in between, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>go back to a hotel and take a phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think. I don't know if I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been in New York and not.

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<v Speaker 2>Just as a tourist.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, yeah, I've definitely never been a tourist, and

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<v Speaker 1>so and I don't honestly, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>time I'll get, but I'm assuming that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get a kind of a sideline gig and take Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>And because he's never been.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's he want to do? What's he want to see?

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<v Speaker 2>He just really wants to Yeah, so you going to

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey? Yeah, London got to go twice. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, haven't taken me one time? And then we

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<v Speaker 2>said it in the car the other day and London

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<v Speaker 2>was upset that she wasn't going to get to go

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<v Speaker 2>this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he'll want to go see like Yankee Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh yeah, yeah, the New York is really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, hell everything sports related.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to see an event, though, if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to msg true, like you know.

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<v Speaker 1>True, you can't. What are you supposed to see?

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<v Speaker 3>The outside is just yeah, a building around building. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's weird because it's to me, at least, it's deceiving

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<v Speaker 3>of how big it actually is on the inside just

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<v Speaker 3>by looking at the outside. I mean, outside looks big,

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<v Speaker 3>but you don't realize that there there's a like a

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<v Speaker 3>ten thousand seat venue inside on the side of it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's then obviously it's like twenty five thousand seat on

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<v Speaker 3>the inside of the main Madison Square garden. Crazy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's much bigger than it looks like it is

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<v Speaker 3>on the outside, in the middle of round of buildings.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so many giant buildings around there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so who Well, we'll go around and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. But I'm really excited. I've just I've never

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<v Speaker 1>really been the sidekick, so I can't wait to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Take him to the mPire State Building and let him

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<v Speaker 3>push every button in the elevation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, yeah, a little elf. Well all right, so

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<v Speaker 1>you like the format of this, Yeah I do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I did forget one thing and I realized right when

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<v Speaker 1>we started. So I'm going to jump up and go

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<v Speaker 1>got time, right, I didn't bring my Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh do you mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just go grat it. Okay, So you guys talk, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>talk so about your book.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just excited because I feel like you asked

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<v Speaker 2>me when we came in it, does it feel like

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<v Speaker 2>this time is crawling? Or does it feel like it's

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<v Speaker 2>going fast? And I feel like it's crawling. Now. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so ready to release it and tell everybody. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've just been working on it so hard, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>been meeting with other families who are going through grief

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<v Speaker 2>and loss and I just want to hand it to them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't have it to hand to them yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just excited about that.

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<v Speaker 3>From day one, from the time you first started writing

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<v Speaker 3>until right now, how long has that been?

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<v Speaker 2>I had four months to complete the manuscript, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how long that's been till now.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you have thoughts before that? You wrote down. Just

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<v Speaker 3>keep notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, tons of notes. Yeah. That's what took

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<v Speaker 2>me so long to edit, because I kept realizing I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to add other things that I didn't add in

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<v Speaker 2>there the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that they're the same, but I'm performing the ceremony

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<v Speaker 3>for my oldest daughter's getting married next May, so I

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<v Speaker 3>already have notes that I found, scripture that I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I need that, Oh, I need that, and then at

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<v Speaker 3>some point I'll go rearrange and put it together in

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<v Speaker 3>a in a wedding format.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, it's happening, it's exciting. Should we say what

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Kind of today? We're talking? Amen and I

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<v Speaker 1>were target earlier. He was like, well, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to discuss? I was like, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>could talk about that. It's as we record this June

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth, which is an interesting day for us because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we get a lot of text on June

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth, and we get a lot of text on

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<v Speaker 1>June the sixth, and and some people actually don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the difference, like some people aren't quite sure or I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Which day, and my eternal clock is the sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so that you're either the sixth or the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth when when you're one of our friends. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth is a very an interesting day because this

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<v Speaker 1>is the day we look back six years ago today.

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<v Speaker 1>We hadn't slept last night. We were in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>A doctor had come in and told us there's no activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Now was the first that was a shock when we

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<v Speaker 1>heard that, because I guess this is all relevant to

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<v Speaker 1>your book coming out, but because we thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be okay, but just going to be really sick.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually what the nurses told us and the EMTs

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<v Speaker 1>told us. He's going to make it, but he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be it's going to be a long road to recover. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought he would have some brain injuries and disabilities

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<v Speaker 2>and learning things that we would have to work through,

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<v Speaker 2>but we never thought that he would not open his eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so today is that day, the day in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle where we were just all of our families

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<v Speaker 2>are in the hospital. There's bags and blankets everywhere, everybody's crying,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's praying. We're told we have to say our goodbyes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that's when the thought of organ donation came up.

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<v Speaker 2>Was today, And then so we're doing all the paperwork

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<v Speaker 2>for that, praying over that, crying over that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they're searching for recipients over the next twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically one of the reasons I want to have I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've had the digital Bible for so long in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, but I think, you know, especially with the

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<v Speaker 1>recent passing of Phil Robertson, who always had a paper Bible, did.

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<v Speaker 3>The same thing I brought, like, I put it back

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<v Speaker 3>in my bag, my paper Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by no means of my advocating, one is better

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<v Speaker 1>than the other, because as long as you have the

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<v Speaker 1>Word of God, let's not start talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because are we gonna say, do you have paprus or

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a scroll or But anyway, that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I think if I have this on the table it

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<v Speaker 1>I might go to it quicker than pulling out my

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<v Speaker 1>phone anyway. And so yesterday when people were texting, a

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<v Speaker 1>verse that was coming to my mind yesterday was some

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<v Speaker 1>one to eighteen twenty four that says, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and

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<v Speaker 1>be glad in it. So that's that's what was coming

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<v Speaker 1>to my mind. Because every that's every day, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday. That's not a good day. That's not a

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<v Speaker 1>day when everything seems to be okay, or the day

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<v Speaker 1>where you actually feel peace or rest or hope, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel those human feelings. But it's every day. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice

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<v Speaker 1>and be glad. But guess what, Guess what. Verse twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three says, let me look at let me go back

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty two just to see. Well, yeah, twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>So what this is talking about is this is the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty two is the famous verse that Jesus uses.

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<v Speaker 1>It says the stone that the builders rejected has become

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<v Speaker 1>the cornerstone, right, And then verse twenty three, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord's doing. It is marvelous in our eyes. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the day that the Lord has made. Let us

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<v Speaker 1>rejoice and be glad in it. Wow, that's today. That's

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<v Speaker 1>today for us, that's today for whoever's listening. That is today,

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<v Speaker 1>That was yesterday, that is tomorrow. As long as we're

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<v Speaker 1>breathing oxygen in this fallen world, and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>yet redeemed, we don't yet have our art or not

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<v Speaker 1>redeem they're not yet glorified, and we don't yet have

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<v Speaker 1>our our glorified bodies. Then we know that we are

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<v Speaker 1>redeemed because of this stone that the builders rejected, which

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<v Speaker 1>has become the cornerstone in our lives and our foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the Lord's doing, and that is marvelous

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<v Speaker 1>in our eyes. And so therefore this is the day

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<v Speaker 1>that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be

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<v Speaker 1>glad in it. Through sorrows, through suffering, through loss, through cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>through sickness, through through marriages, through through divorces, through babies

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<v Speaker 1>being born and babies being lost, this is the day

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<v Speaker 1>that the Lord has made. Let us be glad or

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<v Speaker 1>rejoice in it. Not because of those circumstances, but because

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<v Speaker 1>of the stone that the builders rejected. That the Lord

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<v Speaker 1>has done this, and it is marvelous at her eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>So good. Yeah, when you said it was the day

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle, I thought of Jesus too. There was

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<v Speaker 3>a day in the middle when everybody thought hope was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>But but God, that's our tune. Fifth, it was really dark.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's also the day that when I've told the

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<v Speaker 1>story so many times and interviews and podcasts of this

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<v Speaker 1>was the day when you and I went to that

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<v Speaker 1>Surindy garden, you know, in the hospital, which which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, you've been back many times. I went back

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<v Speaker 1>one time, but You've been back many times to Children's Hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>I've walked out floor that we were in, the room,

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<v Speaker 2>I've passed it, walked out in that garden many times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it gets a little easier. Like the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>I started almost hyperventilating. You can smell everything, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the alcohol and everything that you just had. Those smells

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<v Speaker 2>and the sounds and the beeps, and it's like everything

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<v Speaker 2>comes rushing back to you. Yeah. Yeah, we went out

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<v Speaker 2>in that garden.

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<v Speaker 1>That garden. Tell me the story about the the the

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<v Speaker 1>orange tree, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that, yes, which is no longer there. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>they had given us a little placard for river and

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<v Speaker 2>they put it. We went and kind of walked the

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<v Speaker 2>property and picked a spot and there was an orange

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<v Speaker 2>tree there. And when we went there was all these

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<v Speaker 2>oranges in the little river. They were like floating down,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we picked that spot and then I went

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<v Speaker 2>back to look at it and I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like December or something sometime when that when that tree

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<v Speaker 2>should not have had fruit and it was just full

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe it was around that, I don't know when

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was something significant. Either it was in

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<v Speaker 2>the winter I should remember this, but or it was

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<v Speaker 2>like on a special one of these special days of

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<v Speaker 2>riv but it was some time where it shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>had fruit and it did. And so I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that tree is there anymore, though I need to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>But his little plaque is still there in the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like when Jesus rebuked the fig tree

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<v Speaker 1>for not having figs when it should have, and you

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<v Speaker 1>saw an orange tree that did have fruit when it

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have. Yes, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, So that's our

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<v Speaker 1>that's our six five, six five twenty five the day

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<v Speaker 1>as we record this, And and honestly, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel that sting. I don't. I had lunch with

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<v Speaker 1>a with a brother the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just finding a b.

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<v Speaker 1>That hasn't been closed. He's not close to our story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not close to me. It's not he's not in

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<v Speaker 1>our church. And we had coffee and he goes. So

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<v Speaker 1>is this time of year just really hard? I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you mean? He goes, you know, like first

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<v Speaker 1>week of June? Is that just you just feel that

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<v Speaker 1>weight coming up? And I was like, no, I don't. Actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a certain way I feel every day. But but

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess the first week of June opens, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a beautiful time of year. It always has been.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful time in Texas, and it opens up

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<v Speaker 1>new conversations with people that text. I had some people

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<v Speaker 1>text me yesterday on June fourth, the day we lost Riv,

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<v Speaker 1>that we're choking up, and they were like, just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about you and Amber and just pray for you every day,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just today is so heavy for me and

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine. And I just want to let

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know that with that day, that what

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<v Speaker 1>it has meant to so many since then, and oh

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<v Speaker 1>my brother, thank you, love you.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, today is the day that the Lord has made

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand what people are saying about it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>get it that wait, you know, because for the first

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, your body keeps the score. Your body.

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<v Speaker 2>I would remember, Mike, even though I didn't might not

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<v Speaker 2>know the exact day, I could just feel it in

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<v Speaker 2>my body like sadness, you know, over through June sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>But now Psalm forty, which has been on my heart

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<v Speaker 2>this week is. I waited patiently for the Lord. He

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<v Speaker 2>inclined to me and heard my cry. He drew me

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<v Speaker 2>up from the pit of destruction. I'm gonna start crying

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<v Speaker 2>out of the miriy bog and set my feet upon

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<v Speaker 2>a rock, making my steps secure. He put a new

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<v Speaker 2>song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God.

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<v Speaker 2>Many will see and fear and put their trust in

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord. And so June fifth was really dark, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did not have a song of praise in my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>But by going to him and reading his word and

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<v Speaker 2>learning who he reveals himself to be, the god of

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<v Speaker 2>all the day, all of our days, he will put

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<v Speaker 2>a new song in your mouth. And he has put

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<v Speaker 2>a song in my mouth, a song of praise that, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the day that the Lord has made. He

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<v Speaker 2>knew when he formed river in my stomach what his

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<v Speaker 2>day would be, and it was June fourth. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when we come to know that and come to trust

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<v Speaker 2>in the Lord, we can rejoice even on the really

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<v Speaker 2>hard days.

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<v Speaker 3>Incomprehensible to those who have no hope what you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just read, Yeah, hey, look at the benefit of having

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<v Speaker 1>to sit on the table. Like now we're all gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start pulling at it absolutely. You know, a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler and I started eeee apparel. It just came from

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<v Speaker 1>originally just artist merch from Granger Smith from my artist days.

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<v Speaker 1>And when EEE Apparel started, we built eee dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had no idea what to do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>like how would we possibly sell a T shirt? I

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<v Speaker 1>think the first one we had was I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>tough schedule Earl Dibbles Junior. It didn't take long before

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<v Speaker 1>we realized we were in over our head and we

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<v Speaker 1>needed a company to host this for us. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>we turned to Shopify. Shopify is basically the checkout portion

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<v Speaker 1>of your website and they handle all of that. They

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<v Speaker 1>do the numbers that they have, all the algorithms that

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. You can get started with your own

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<v Speaker 1>granger once again shopify dot com slash granger. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a gift for someone that you think

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<v Speaker 1>has everything, how about a special video message from me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy to do. Go to cameo dot com slash

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<v Speaker 1>granger Smith and you put in the prompt what you

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<v Speaker 1>want me to say. I get that message on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say happy birthday, happy anniversary, whatever personalized message you

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<v Speaker 1>want me to say to whoever you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>say it to. I send it to you and you

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<v Speaker 1>give it to them. It's pretty cool. Go to cameo

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<v Speaker 1>dot com slash granger Smith and I got to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you all an incredible story, incredible story that has all

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<v Speaker 1>you know it has to do with all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to use his name. I probably

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't use this country either. But there was a there

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<v Speaker 1>is a There was a man from a far away

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<v Speaker 1>foreign country that's a fan of ye Ye Okay. And

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<v Speaker 1>he is from a country where religion is dead. It

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the darkest corners of the world. To religion,

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<v Speaker 1>not not just any not just Christianity, but any religion.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is dark, and that darkness reflects in childbearing. There's

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<v Speaker 1>kit the kids are non existent, that the the population

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<v Speaker 1>is getting older anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's also.

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<v Speaker 1>A very very beautiful country and very beautiful culture and

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<v Speaker 1>very beautiful people. But this particular man, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>protect his name in his country. He came to ye

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<v Speaker 1>Fest and he speaks he speaks good English. But he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I came. This is my second time to Texas, and

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<v Speaker 1>I came the first time to Texas to Billy Bob's

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Wow, And he said, you you told me. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm not going anywhere. I'm just gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>on a different stage. My question is to you, ye

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<v Speaker 1>ye nation. Will you follow me to the next stage?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said. I thought to myself, yes, I will

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<v Speaker 1>follow you anywhere. Okay, And he said, but but now

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<v Speaker 1>I see where you're the stage that you're on, that

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<v Speaker 1>the ministry, this Christianity thing, and I'm interested and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, but I don't. I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on. Yeah, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>took him into the Eye Farm, took him into the office. First.

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<v Speaker 1>I invited him. When he told me that, I invited

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<v Speaker 1>him to come shadow me and be with me all

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<v Speaker 1>day Thursday, which is the day we loaded in and

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<v Speaker 1>sound checked. I said, just come with me, just sit

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<v Speaker 1>with me. We'll have some good conversations. And I took

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<v Speaker 1>him into the office of the Ye Farm and I

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<v Speaker 1>shared the gospel with them, and I told him as

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<v Speaker 1>practically as I could, everything that I was doing and

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<v Speaker 1>what the Lord has done to me, and the most

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<v Speaker 1>practical way possible using the Bible. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>told him what Jesus had done and how we had

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<v Speaker 1>rebelled and we've been sinners, and we have we have

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<v Speaker 1>turned our back on God as rebels. And God came

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<v Speaker 1>into his own creation as the son, and Jesus lives

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect life, fulfills the law perfectly in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that we couldn't. Is obedient to the father, goes to

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<v Speaker 1>the cross, dies and becomes a substitute that we is.

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<v Speaker 1>He pays the penalty of our sin, like like someone

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<v Speaker 1>coming and paying paying all of our parking fines. He

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<v Speaker 1>pays it so that the judge says, you're fine, is paid,

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<v Speaker 1>You're free to go. You are free now. And Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>did that and then rose on the third day, saying

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<v Speaker 1>all who look to him turn from their sins will

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<v Speaker 1>be saved. It explained all this, and he goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>want this, That's what I want. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a cost to this, you know, like it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be very difficult. You can't I can't just tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that you're gonna go back to your country and

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<v Speaker 1>everything's going to be better. It actually might be worse now.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going back to a very dark country when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to this. And and he said, that's okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>want this, And so in my mind I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's amazing. But that doesn't just tell me you

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<v Speaker 1>just made a decision for Christ and count your name

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<v Speaker 1>in the Lamb's Book of Life, like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would. I don't want to give you a

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<v Speaker 1>false assurance. So I said, okay, prove it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start Matthew one tomorrow. We got on signaled together.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I want you to read Matthew one and

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<v Speaker 1>then message me thoughts, comments, whatever he does.

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<v Speaker 3>Questions done, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Questions, comments, observations done. So we started that and I

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<v Speaker 1>said it every day, don't skip a day, do the

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<v Speaker 1>next chapter every day. Matthew two, Matthew three, at you four,

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<v Speaker 1>five six, he's he you know, he does his time

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas, goes back to his home country, still reading,

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<v Speaker 1>still on signal every day, doing this thing, doing this

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<v Speaker 1>talking every day. I'm wrestling through things with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just start watching him grow.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It is crazy. So I've got the text thread up

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<v Speaker 1>here now. But then he gets to Matthew twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>and he starts and by the way, he came to

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<v Speaker 1>Amaus with us. He didn't even worshiped us two times,

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<v Speaker 1>he he So he says things like that Matthew twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Betraying Jesus would be the biggest sin I

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<v Speaker 1>could imagine. So he's reading through and he says, this

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. He says in Matthew twenty six thirty three,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, why Jesus said Peter would deny him three

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<v Speaker 1>times in his broken English? And then he says, Dash

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<v Speaker 1>just found out how after reading verse sixty nine to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five. So he's like learning the story in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>But then listen to this Matthew twenty six forty one quote,

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<v Speaker 1>keep watching pray so that you do not give into temptation,

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<v Speaker 1>for the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, that's what I need. All I need,

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<v Speaker 1>all I can do. I am emotional for hate on

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<v Speaker 1>my sin, and I'm eager to Jesus to save me,

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<v Speaker 1>save me from my sin. I don't want to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, especially things that might disappoint God, who gave

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<v Speaker 1>me great things. I think he's saved, he's saved.

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<v Speaker 2>He came in and Granger was getting ready to take

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<v Speaker 2>a shower, and he came in. He's like, babe, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's converted.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's converted. Amazing, and then he's one Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven today. This was today, and he's just he's

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<v Speaker 1>he says, Matthew twenty seven, twenty one. So the governor

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<v Speaker 1>asked again, which one, which one of these two do

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to release to you? The crowd shouted

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<v Speaker 1>back Barabbas, and he says, where is everyone, those who

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<v Speaker 1>had sickness killed by Jesus? Where are they? He gets it,

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<v Speaker 1>are they betraying Jesus as well? Yeah, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is amazing to see how he's reading it like

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<v Speaker 2>a story, like a book, and it is. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest story that there ever has been that we are

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<v Speaker 2>a part of. But just seeing somebody read it like

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<v Speaker 2>that versus our western culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Of how we kind of we don't know many people

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<v Speaker 3>here who have never read that or no, that's right,

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<v Speaker 3>parts of that story, or have been in, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a sermon. We're going through the Book of Matthew, and

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<v Speaker 3>you get five verses or six verses, right, and they

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<v Speaker 3>hear that one, they don't come for two more weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>three more weeks, and then they come back and they

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<v Speaker 3>get the next, you know, on down and they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of piece it together. He's reading it through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, last night he said the story. He said, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to share something with you. I helped my coworker

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<v Speaker 1>who was mentally struggling at work. I brought him words

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<v Speaker 1>from the Bible and strength I equipped by Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>our savior. Jesus showed his strength not just enough to

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<v Speaker 1>help sinner like me, but also give strength to my neighbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, I can't thank Jesus enough for his words.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he says, Granger, I believe God sent me

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<v Speaker 1>to Texas twice to see the truth. And the truth

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<v Speaker 1>is his love.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, you know, I'm messaging him and

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<v Speaker 1>so around the world. And so then tomorrow, which is today,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll start He'll start Matthew twenty eight. Oh cool. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I said, tomorrow we start Mark and we'll keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just like, you're going to tell him that

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<v Speaker 3>it starts over from a different person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love that, yeah, because we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get in from a different perspective. And this is just

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<v Speaker 1>so exciting to think, that's amazing of this man right

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<v Speaker 1>now in a dark culture that's religiously dead, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>in his apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>We were saying, it's like a never ending story where

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<v Speaker 2>the little boy runs in, he hides and puts the

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<v Speaker 2>cover over his head and opens it up and can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to see what happens next.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so who knows what the Lord is going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Full circle here because of River, because of the Lord's

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<v Speaker 1>work through River. On June fourth, twenty nineteen, who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what is now starting in this country of darkness? The

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<v Speaker 1>light has arrived.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. That's so cool. Yeah, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know you might maybe it was listening right now,

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<v Speaker 1>But I love your body. I love you man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my Betty is Yeah, I know he.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going to do some emails. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>First one's from anonymous, dear granger. I started watching a

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<v Speaker 3>Rise with Amber after my husband's alcoholism was confirmed, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was searching for healing through alanon a similar and

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 3>similar support. I'm grateful to share that my husband has

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<v Speaker 3>now been sober for three years, but the journey hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>been easy for either of us. I also struggled with

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<v Speaker 3>postpartum depression and a traumatic birth. In your book resonated

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<v Speaker 3>with me deeply. It was comforting to finally feel understood,

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<v Speaker 3>especially after a time when I felt abandoned by God

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<v Speaker 3>and even faced the thoughts of ending my life. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm struggling with how to balance loving and supporting my

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<v Speaker 3>husband without enabling him. I feel overwhelmed by household responsibilities,

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<v Speaker 3>and I get frustrated when he relaxes while I manage

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<v Speaker 3>everything else. Antimis, he has also been hard to rebuild,

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<v Speaker 3>as most of it before was when he was drunk,

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<v Speaker 3>and I still wrestle with a feeling like my emotional

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 3>needs aren't being met. We attend a wonderful church and

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 3>are both raised in the faith, but sometimes I'm unsure

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<v Speaker 3>of where my husband stands spiritually, especially since he's more

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<v Speaker 3>private about his faith and gets annoyed when I try

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<v Speaker 3>to have deeper, deeper conversations. I just want to know

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 3>that his heart is in a good place. If you

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<v Speaker 3>share this on the podcast, please keep my name in

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 3>church Anonymous. Thank you for the encouragement you and Amber provide.

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<v Speaker 3>Your willingness to share how God God brings good through

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 3>pain has meant so much to me. So really, the

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<v Speaker 3>question here was you know, how to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess connect with her husband and find out where

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<v Speaker 3>he is spiritually. I guess with just without asking.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, and most likely he's not converted. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what we talked about with the on the

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<v Speaker 1>Brother podcast last week. Yeah, we and and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>difference in talking to a guy from a foreign country

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>is it's so black and white that you it's easier

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>to see. But in America, we have we have hints

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<v Speaker 1>of godliness, we have hints of Christianity, you know, we

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>we wear crosses around our neck and we say biblical things.

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<v Speaker 1>And and then we start thinking, like she said, you're

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<v Speaker 1>raised in the Christian home, you just start thinking you

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<v Speaker 1>inherited it. And I'm I'm of the thinking that if

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<v Speaker 1>he's not converted, and let me see, let me say

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<v Speaker 1>it again, If he is, then he has been discipled

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<v Speaker 1>so poorly that nothing is there's no fruit from it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's dangerous in itself. So I tend to think

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not converted. Otherwise, like Paul Washer says, if

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<v Speaker 1>you if I came in here and said, sorry, guys'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit late. A macchruck hit me out in

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the in the road outside, but I made it, you'd

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>be like, I don't believe you. If you encountered a

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>big truck on the highway that hits you, you would

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<v Speaker 1>be impacted by that in a way that everyone around

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>you knows it. And if you come into contact with

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<v Speaker 1>a holy god that has given you a new heart

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and changed your desires, then everyone around you knows something's

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<v Speaker 1>different with this guy. I don't think anybody would look

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<v Speaker 1>at me in twenty fifteen and then look at me

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<v Speaker 1>now and go it seems like the same. He's the same,

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<v Speaker 1>does the same thing, says the same things, likes the

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<v Speaker 1>same things. That's not true. So that's what I think

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>about this this He thoughts, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She was just saying she's struggling with how to balance

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>loving and supporting him without enabling him. That she feels

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed by household responsibilities and gets frustrated when he relaxes

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 2>while she manages everything. And I think that's a very

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 2>natural feeling to feel overwhelmed. I don't know, does she

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<v Speaker 2>say they have kids as a mom or handling all

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<v Speaker 2>the all the the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's only only information about children.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for that A lot of that, at least

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<v Speaker 2>for me, is shifting my thoughts on that to where

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<v Speaker 2>I don't sit in frustration, which I do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm human and I sin, but shifting it to

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<v Speaker 2>where I get to do these things for my kids

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and or my and my husband, and praying through those

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>things while I'm folding laundry or while I'm doing dishes

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<v Speaker 2>and the and realizing our role that God has given

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 2>us as women in the home is to be the helper,

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<v Speaker 2>is to submit and surrender and support and love and

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<v Speaker 2>care for and nurture and take care of the home.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's something I've had to learn and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still I'm still growing through that and feeling conviction through that,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>but praying through that as well, because that's a that's

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<v Speaker 2>an honor to be able to do for the Lord

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<v Speaker 2>into instead of just always seeing that I'm serving my husband,

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm serving my children, but I'm ultimately serving God. And

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<v Speaker 2>so if I can shift my perspective that way, it

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>helps me to be frustrated. It helps me to do

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<v Speaker 2>things with joy. Not to say that we don't get overwhelmed,

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 2>because I do, and I get frustrated and askedin and

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I ask for forgiveness, but also communication. I've learned with Grainger,

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Granger doesn't know what I need if I don't ask him.

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>So if I'm just frustrated doing all the things and

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>rage cleaning, he doesn't know, So just maybe try to

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>have a conversation with your husband and say, Hey, I'm

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>feeling very overwhelmed. Can you please help me with this?

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>A simple conversation could help a lot of bitterness. And Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that would help a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great. Sarah is the next email. Hey Granger, I'm sixteen.

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking for some advice. I've been dating my boyfriend

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 3>for about eight months and he has a close He

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 3>has a close female friend who's also part of our

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 3>friend group. We're both Christians. He's newer to the faith

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 3>and I've been a Christian my whole life. I've known

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 3>his friend for about two years, though we're not super close.

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>She played a big part in helping him come to faith,

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 3>which I'm really thankful for. But now that we're dating,

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I feel like their relationship ship needs to change. Sometimes

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 3>it feels like he crosses the line between friendship and

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 3>something more, even if he doesn't see it that way.

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't want them to stop being friends, but also

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 3>think he needs to realize that while God used her

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 3>to help him, she's not the one who saved him.

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 3>I've talked to my best friend about it and receives

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 3>and receive some helpful biblical advice. But I'd really appreciate

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 3>your perspective to thank you for what you do. Your

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 3>music and podcast have been a blessing and seeing you

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 3>preach live was amazing. God bless.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Because so if this was live and we're in the

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>theater somewhere, it's boyfriend, right, So yeah, i'd say, how

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.320
<v Speaker 1>long does it say? Eight months?

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 2>And they're sixteen?

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And they're sixteen, Yeah, I mean like this is this

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is uh, it's very real to them. This is not

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>what is not what she wants to hear. But hey,

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you got to, like, you gotta let go of this guy.

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>He is not your husband.

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, yep, I agree with that. And I

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 3>mean it sounds like that he's yeah, we're boyfriend and girlfriend,

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 3>but I like these other girls.

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's fringes of jealousy all through.

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 2>That for shure, And you've said all the time, men

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and women, boys and girls can't just be friends. There's

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 2>always one of them probably has feelings for the other

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 2>in some sort of capacity.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, sixteen, just be friends. All of you be friends.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Take the relationships out of it.

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 3>This is why. And see if you had This is

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 3>why as parents, especially dads, it's like, you're not dating

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.719
<v Speaker 3>till you're twenty. No, you're just friends with people, yeah,

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 3>or thirty five friends. Thirty five will come down, you know.

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 1>With London, I've lately I've been saying I've been saying

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>eighteen because I'm kind of thinking about when you're out

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>of the house. You know. It's because she'll say things

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like could I get another piercing? And I say absolutely,

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>when you're eighteen, when you're not here, when you don't

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.319
<v Speaker 1>live here. And I took a walk with her the

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>other day. It's like, you know why I keep saying

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>when you're eighteen or when you don't live here, because

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>my job until until you're on your own is to

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 1>protect you from things that you might regret later because

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>your brain isn't fully developed. And I don't want to

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>stand in front of you when you're thirty and you go, Dad,

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.879
<v Speaker 1>why in the world did you let me do this?

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Why did you let me get this tattoo? Why did

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you let me get this piercing? Why did you let

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>me date that guy? Why did you let me go

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to this party? I don't want to meet that London yep,

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>And be a coward in front of her and go

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 1>because I was weak. I don't want to do that,

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>so I would rather be strong and say you cannot.

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>But when you are old, when you're old enough to

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>make your own decisions, if you want to get a

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>tattoo or a double piercing, whatever, if you want to

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>date a weirdo when you're twenty five, I cannot stop you.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to. I wouldn't encourage you to,

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and I would. I would give you all the best

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I can to tell you not to. But I can't

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>make you. But I can now I say no, not yet.

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>And so so yeah, at sixteen, this dating thing, she's

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>got to let him go. She has to let him go.

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Way too young to be that serious. That's for sure.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Time for one more, Yeah, serenity, says high Granger. Since

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I was three, my mom's sister and I have gone

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to church, but my dad never joined us. He struggled

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 3>with alcoholism and was more abusive toward me than anyone

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 3>else in our family, which caused me to hate myself

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 3>from a young age. When I was eleven, something happened

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 3>that made me decide to cut him out of my

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 3>life and When my parents divorced a year later, I

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 3>felt relief, but it also gave me space to think

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 3>about everything. I'm known for being forgiving and rarely hold grudges.

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 3>On a mission trip, we were encouraged to forgive those

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 3>who have hurt us, but I just can't seem to

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 3>forgive my dad no matter how much I pray or try.

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 3>It makes me feel guilty and like I'm failing as

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 3>a Christian. Thank you for your podcast. It means a

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 3>lot to me, Sincerely, Simenity.

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the old forgiveness question.

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>That's hard, especially being that young and not feeling like

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>you were protected or having this vision or expectation of

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>how you believe an earthly father should treat you, and

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I kind of I know what that feels like, and

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 2>feeling that they let you down, but knowing that you

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>have a heavenly father who does not, even when we

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>fail as humans and forgiveness, I've learned that obviously we

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 2>are called to forgive because Jesus has forgiven us much,

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:37.479
<v Speaker 2>and so it doesn't make it easy. And that doesn't

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>mean that you have to reconcile with your father, but

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>you can release that burden and say I forgive him.

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm still you know, it hurts and I wish it

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>would didn't happen this way, but I'm going to let

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>this go. I'm going to forgive him. But that doesn't

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>mean that you have to build that relationship back. Sometimes

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>you think people think if you say I forgive you,

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 2>it means you have to go right back to the

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 2>way it was and you're going to have this perfect

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>father daughter relationship. And that's yeah, and that's just not

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 2>always the case. You have to build that trust over time,

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes that might not be reconciled ever, but you

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>can release that. You have to let go of that

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 2>so you don't have that bitterness. And there's that saying

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 2>about drinking poison something if it's like, if you don't forgive,

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 2>you're drinking poison expecting the other person to die. You

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>can forgive in your heart, but you don't have to

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>mend that relationship. And you might want to mend that

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>as you get older, but that takes two parties, repenting,

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>turning away, and reconciling together. That takes two open hearts

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 2>to do that.

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's good. The forgiveness is not equal trust,

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, so you forgive and That doesn't mean you

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>have to agree or trust, but you do have to forgive.

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>And really, as far as the Bible goes, when it

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>comes to forgiveness, we're commanded to forgive because we have

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>a savior at the pinnacle of our faith that is

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>hanging on a cross saying, Father, forgive them. They know

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>not what they do to the very men that have

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 1>put him there. Yeah, that that is. That does not

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>make it easy. But when we look to that ass

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>as the pinnacle of why we are to forgive, then

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>we see that it's a heart position. It's a it's

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a heart turn not and not an action that says,

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>now we continue on the path of trust. Now you

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>don't you don't have to trust someone to forgive them. Yeah,

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think Jesus would have said, now,

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I trust you that you're not going to kill me. Right.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 2>It's a daily choice, like you don't. You can't just

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:51.879
<v Speaker 2>forgive your dad today and be like I'm great. It's

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>going to take every day for you to say, no,

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I have to forgive him. I'm going to forgive him

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>every day. And it seems a little easier for me

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>now if I know that they if these people are

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>whoever we're going to forgive, aren't Christians and aren't converted

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>because they don't know how to be any other way.

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 2>They're they're just sinful and they haven't had they haven't

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>had a changed heart. So I feel like it's a

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>little easier to forgive in that sense because they know

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 2>not what they do.

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Forgiveness. It's great if it if it turns into reconciliation,

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.359
<v Speaker 1>and reconciliation is great if it turns into restoration. But

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.800
<v Speaker 1>neither one of those steps are guaranteed. Forgiveness doesn't always

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 1>equal or doesn't always lead to reconciliation, and reconciliation doesn't

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>always lead to restoration.

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.840
<v Speaker 3>So some people feel like it has to be a

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 3>package deal.

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.280
<v Speaker 1>That's right. That's that's where people run into big time problems.

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I have people that say to me, there's a friend

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>of mine I grew up with, and he's like, I

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 1>struggle my wife and I struggle with forgiveness because I've

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 1>asked her, why can't you forgive me?

0:42:58.400 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 1>And she just ca it and and and I'm thinking

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that's because you're you guys are confusing reconciliation and you

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>want restoration, and she's confusing forgiveness with reconciliation and all

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 1>of this, that none of those things are guaranteed.

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Three three very separate and to be dealt with

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 3>on their own. Forgiveness on its own by itself, and

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 3>a silo. Yeah, and and so forth.

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it flows forward. Those three things flow into each other. Yeah,

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>but they're they're not guaranteed to no matter what you do. Yeah.

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 3>I think the the the reconcilient, would you say, reconciliation

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and rest restoration. Yeah, they can't be touched until the forgiveness. Yes, like,

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 3>if you haven't done the forgiveness, those other two aren't

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 3>gonna matter because they're you're never going to get to them.

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 3>But just because you're forgiven doesn't mean that there's the

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 3>other two are automatically checked. Boxes are checked.

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so it's like a daughter looking at a

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>bad father, Yeah, saying the daughter says, I forgive you,

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and the father says, then let's reconcile. No, no, no,

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.359
<v Speaker 1>that's not that's that doesn't I don't want to go there.

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be right for me to go there. But

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>forgiveness is what is required. Jesus doesn't say you must

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 1>reconcile with your neighbor. You must reconcile with your evil neighbor, right,

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't say that.

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:23.280
<v Speaker 2>And I also don't think that we can truly forgive

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:27.319
<v Speaker 2>somebody unless we truly know Jesus, unless we truly know

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 2>what we have been forgiven for, like truly know it.

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 2>It's really hard to forgive if you don't know the

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 2>forgiveness in Christ. It's not human and natural to be

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>able to do that.

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 3>You're not a right headspace for forgiveness without Christ. You

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.320
<v Speaker 3>can't comprehend true forgiveness without him.

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you can't. You can forgive, just like

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you can have joy. People without Christ can have joy.

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.359
<v Speaker 1>But that's because we're made in the image of God,

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 1>and so we mimic life, because of our DNA, because

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>of our nature. We mimic life. But what's so kind

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>of corpse? You know?

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>One, it's not lasting, It goes until the next bad situation.

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>You don't have joy from the inside out, which is circumstantial.

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.720
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's it. That's all we emails.

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>We got to do great. Yeah, you guys are great.

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:22.600
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