Speaker 1: All right, we've got a very special guest on today's podcast.
Speaker 1: When's the last time you were on December?
Speaker 2: Because I think it was a year before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, that was the show spell
Speaker 3: It c.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, we're on because your mom. Your
Speaker 1: mom was worried about COVID.
Speaker 2: Uh vaccinations, things like that.
Speaker 1: And what's the result of that.
Speaker 2: She seems fine, she seems good. She has high blood pressure,
Speaker 2: she has to take medication, but other than that, she's good.
Speaker 1: Okay, Amber Smith, my wife, I should say that for
Speaker 1: people listening.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I just agree.
Speaker 3: That sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, welcome back. Uh, we've we've been changing.
Speaker 1: We had an episode that we released last week. We
Speaker 1: had the brothers, Tyler and Parker, and we've been changing
Speaker 1: the room around.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 1: We weren't quite happy with how that one looked, so
Speaker 1: it was just very typical advancement and I so we
Speaker 1: move things around again and here we are. Now you're
Speaker 1: in this seat, which I think it's a good seat. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: there's reason, there's a specific reason why you're there instead
Speaker 1: of here. Okay, So we're going to be the main
Speaker 1: guest in your chair.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because if you look at the how long
Speaker 3: this this podcast is easily twice as much time went
Speaker 3: into the setup of the podcast today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, easily. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I told her Andrew, I'm gonna get here. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get there a little bit early, and I'll walked in
Speaker 3: and he goes, wow, you you did mean early, like
Speaker 3: two hours before the podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If people knew how many times this room has been
Speaker 2: rearranged with different tables and chairs and couches, and.
Speaker 1: They do, oh geez, yeah, oh g's people that have
Speaker 1: watched this podcast long enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, real ones know what it looked like in
Speaker 3: the very beginning. Yeah, after you. Speaking of channels, brand
Speaker 3: new channel launches July twenty first, I see launches. That's when.
Speaker 3: That's the only place you'll be able to get the
Speaker 3: video podcast. It's on the brand new Granger Smith podcas
Speaker 3: Past YouTube channel. It's linked in the description right here.
Speaker 3: To go there, click that and hit subscribe. Everything you
Speaker 3: watch on the normal Granger Smith channel will be available there,
Speaker 3: but after episode three oh one, which will come out
Speaker 3: in July twenty first, that will only be on the
Speaker 3: brand new channel. Yeah, if you're listening everything stays the
Speaker 3: same for you. Everything stays the same exactly like it
Speaker 3: is right now. But if you watch, that'll be the
Speaker 3: place you need to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, which is which is exciting. Did I tell
Speaker 1: you we're doing that?
Speaker 3: No news to you all the time? You learn them
Speaker 3: on the podcast if you listen to the podcast, what's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, so we're doing that. And then the big
Speaker 1: news going on tour with the podcast, right.
Speaker 3: Big big announcement last week taking the podcast on tour.
Speaker 2: Did know that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: You did? You did tell you that.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it really it's kind of revolving around your
Speaker 1: book release October What to me?
Speaker 2: Fourteenth?
Speaker 1: Fourteenth? Is that date even released?
Speaker 2: Not publicly? Is no?
Speaker 3: Do I to bleep that out?
Speaker 2: I don't know? Actually let me I'll let you know
Speaker 2: after this email, my email, my editor.
Speaker 3: I don't know any edits.
Speaker 1: And then may we release things. That's what we do
Speaker 1: on this podcast. We get new information.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I knew a long time ago. I heard
Speaker 3: it on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we did that with ee Fest released on
Speaker 1: the podcast. That's way before. And I'm going to say
Speaker 1: the title of your book it is, No, you're not shot.
Speaker 2: We can't. They won't let me say it until I
Speaker 2: believe around mid July.
Speaker 3: Really would mid July be the should we should be
Speaker 3: back on the podcast. The very first podcast on the
Speaker 3: new channel could be the release of the title of
Speaker 3: the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's a good title. It's a good cover.
Speaker 2: I left a hint somewhere recently, but I can't say where,
Speaker 2: and I can't say what.
Speaker 3: Publishers just search search everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a great book. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: very excited about this book because I get to kind
Speaker 1: of take a passenger seat to all of this. And
Speaker 1: you know, with like a river she was with me
Speaker 1: and you were doing the passenger seat thing. But so
Speaker 1: now I'll get to go, for instance, go to New
Speaker 1: York do the shows, and I'll take Lincoln to go
Speaker 1: see tourist things. That's what she did with London last time.
Speaker 1: Because there might be like a thing that like a
Speaker 1: Fox and Friends that I'm needed for and then she'll
Speaker 1: go do all the other things podcasts and dateline and
Speaker 1: all that, and I won't be there. So we'll go
Speaker 1: see you know, the sites and get some good food
Speaker 1: in New York City. I've never gotten to do that.
Speaker 3: Have you forgot? You've you've you've been on a late
Speaker 3: night show though, like you've been Kimmel.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I've just anytime I go to LA or
Speaker 1: New York, it's usually wrapped around on the release of something,
Speaker 1: and everyone gets to kind of see things, and you
Speaker 1: have your work the whole time, and I work, you know,
Speaker 1: the main things and everything in between, and then I
Speaker 1: go back to a hotel and take a phone call.
Speaker 1: So I don't think. I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 1: been in New York and not.
Speaker 2: Just as a tourist.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, I've definitely never been a tourist, and
Speaker 1: so and I don't honestly, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: time I'll get, but I'm assuming that I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a kind of a sideline gig and take Lincoln
Speaker 1: And because he's never been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's he want to do? What's he want to see?
Speaker 2: He just really wants to Yeah, so you going to
Speaker 2: New Jersey? Yeah, London got to go twice. So he's like,
Speaker 2: you guys, haven't taken me one time? And then we
Speaker 2: said it in the car the other day and London
Speaker 2: was upset that she wasn't going to get to go
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll want to go see like Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, yeah, the New York is really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hell everything sports related.
Speaker 3: You got to see an event, though, if you're going
Speaker 3: to msg true, like you know.
Speaker 1: True, you can't. What are you supposed to see?
Speaker 3: The outside is just yeah, a building around building. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's weird because it's to me, at least, it's deceiving
Speaker 3: of how big it actually is on the inside just
Speaker 3: by looking at the outside. I mean, outside looks big,
Speaker 3: but you don't realize that there there's a like a
Speaker 3: ten thousand seat venue inside on the side of it.
Speaker 3: There's then obviously it's like twenty five thousand seat on
Speaker 3: the inside of the main Madison Square garden. Crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's much bigger than it looks like it is
Speaker 3: on the outside, in the middle of round of buildings.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many giant buildings around there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who Well, we'll go around and we'll see
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I'm really excited. I've just I've never
Speaker 1: really been the sidekick, so I can't wait to do that.
Speaker 3: Take him to the mPire State Building and let him
Speaker 3: push every button in the elevation.
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, a little elf. Well all right, so
Speaker 1: you like the format of this, Yeah I do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did forget one thing and I realized right when
Speaker 1: we started. So I'm going to jump up and go
Speaker 1: got time, right, I didn't bring my Bible.
Speaker 3: Oh do you mind.
Speaker 1: I'll just go grat it. Okay, So you guys talk, okay,
Speaker 1: talk so about your book.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just excited because I feel like you asked
Speaker 2: me when we came in it, does it feel like
Speaker 2: this time is crawling? Or does it feel like it's
Speaker 2: going fast? And I feel like it's crawling. Now. I'm
Speaker 2: just so ready to release it and tell everybody. And
Speaker 2: I've just been working on it so hard, and I've
Speaker 2: been meeting with other families who are going through grief
Speaker 2: and loss and I just want to hand it to them,
Speaker 2: and I don't have it to hand to them yet.
Speaker 2: So I'm just excited about that.
Speaker 3: From day one, from the time you first started writing
Speaker 3: until right now, how long has that been?
Speaker 2: I had four months to complete the manuscript, so I
Speaker 2: don't know how long that's been till now.
Speaker 3: Did you have thoughts before that? You wrote down. Just
Speaker 3: keep notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, tons of notes. Yeah. That's what took
Speaker 2: me so long to edit, because I kept realizing I
Speaker 2: needed to add other things that I didn't add in
Speaker 2: there the first time.
Speaker 3: Not that they're the same, but I'm performing the ceremony
Speaker 3: for my oldest daughter's getting married next May, so I
Speaker 3: already have notes that I found, scripture that I go, oh,
Speaker 3: I need that, Oh, I need that, and then at
Speaker 3: some point I'll go rearrange and put it together in
Speaker 3: a in a wedding format.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's happening, it's exciting. Should we say what
Speaker 1: you know? Kind of today? We're talking? Amen and I
Speaker 1: were target earlier. He was like, well, you know, what
Speaker 1: are we going to discuss? I was like, well, we
Speaker 1: could talk about that. It's as we record this June
Speaker 1: the fifth, which is an interesting day for us because
Speaker 1: you know, we get a lot of text on June
Speaker 1: the fourth, and we get a lot of text on
Speaker 1: June the sixth, and and some people actually don't know
Speaker 1: the difference, like some people aren't quite sure or I
Speaker 1: can't remember.
Speaker 3: Which day, and my eternal clock is the sixth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that you're either the sixth or the
Speaker 1: fourth when when you're one of our friends. And then
Speaker 1: the fifth is a very an interesting day because this
Speaker 1: is the day we look back six years ago today.
Speaker 1: We hadn't slept last night. We were in the hospital.
Speaker 1: A doctor had come in and told us there's no activity.
Speaker 1: Now was the first that was a shock when we
Speaker 1: heard that, because I guess this is all relevant to
Speaker 1: your book coming out, but because we thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be okay, but just going to be really sick.
Speaker 1: That's actually what the nurses told us and the EMTs
Speaker 1: told us. He's going to make it, but he's going
Speaker 1: to be it's going to be a long road to recover. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We thought he would have some brain injuries and disabilities
Speaker 2: and learning things that we would have to work through,
Speaker 2: but we never thought that he would not open his eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so today is that day, the day in
Speaker 2: the middle where we were just all of our families
Speaker 2: are in the hospital. There's bags and blankets everywhere, everybody's crying,
Speaker 2: everybody's praying. We're told we have to say our goodbyes.
Speaker 2: And then that's when the thought of organ donation came up.
Speaker 2: Was today, And then so we're doing all the paperwork
Speaker 2: for that, praying over that, crying over that, and then
Speaker 2: they're searching for recipients over the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Basically one of the reasons I want to have I
Speaker 1: think I've had the digital Bible for so long in
Speaker 1: the podcast, but I think, you know, especially with the
Speaker 1: recent passing of Phil Robertson, who always had a paper Bible, did.
Speaker 3: The same thing I brought, like, I put it back
Speaker 3: in my bag, my paper Bible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by no means of my advocating, one is better
Speaker 1: than the other, because as long as you have the
Speaker 1: Word of God, let's not start talking about you know,
Speaker 1: because are we gonna say, do you have paprus or
Speaker 1: do you have a scroll or But anyway, that's why
Speaker 1: I think if I have this on the table it
Speaker 1: I might go to it quicker than pulling out my
Speaker 1: phone anyway. And so yesterday when people were texting, a
Speaker 1: verse that was coming to my mind yesterday was some
Speaker 1: one to eighteen twenty four that says, this is the
Speaker 1: day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and
Speaker 1: be glad in it. So that's that's what was coming
Speaker 1: to my mind. Because every that's every day, that's not
Speaker 1: a Friday. That's not a good day. That's not a
Speaker 1: day when everything seems to be okay, or the day
Speaker 1: where you actually feel peace or rest or hope, you
Speaker 1: feel those human feelings. But it's every day. This is
Speaker 1: the day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice
Speaker 1: and be glad. But guess what, Guess what. Verse twenty
Speaker 1: three says, let me look at let me go back
Speaker 1: to twenty two just to see. Well, yeah, twenty two.
Speaker 1: So what this is talking about is this is the
Speaker 1: eighteen twenty two is the famous verse that Jesus uses.
Speaker 1: It says the stone that the builders rejected has become
Speaker 1: the cornerstone, right, And then verse twenty three, this is
Speaker 1: the Lord's doing. It is marvelous in our eyes. This
Speaker 1: is the day that the Lord has made. Let us
Speaker 1: rejoice and be glad in it. Wow, that's today. That's
Speaker 1: today for us, that's today for whoever's listening. That is today,
Speaker 1: That was yesterday, that is tomorrow. As long as we're
Speaker 1: breathing oxygen in this fallen world, and we are not
Speaker 1: yet redeemed, we don't yet have our art or not
Speaker 1: redeem they're not yet glorified, and we don't yet have
Speaker 1: our our glorified bodies. Then we know that we are
Speaker 1: redeemed because of this stone that the builders rejected, which
Speaker 1: has become the cornerstone in our lives and our foundation.
Speaker 1: And this is the Lord's doing, and that is marvelous
Speaker 1: in our eyes. And so therefore this is the day
Speaker 1: that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be
Speaker 1: glad in it. Through sorrows, through suffering, through loss, through cancer,
Speaker 1: through sickness, through through marriages, through through divorces, through babies
Speaker 1: being born and babies being lost, this is the day
Speaker 1: that the Lord has made. Let us be glad or
Speaker 1: rejoice in it. Not because of those circumstances, but because
Speaker 1: of the stone that the builders rejected. That the Lord
Speaker 1: has done this, and it is marvelous at her eyes.
Speaker 3: So good. Yeah, when you said it was the day
Speaker 3: in the middle, I thought of Jesus too. There was
Speaker 3: a day in the middle when everybody thought hope was gone.
Speaker 1: But but God, that's our tune. Fifth, it was really dark.
Speaker 1: So it's also the day that when I've told the
Speaker 1: story so many times and interviews and podcasts of this
Speaker 1: was the day when you and I went to that
Speaker 1: Surindy garden, you know, in the hospital, which which, by
Speaker 1: the way, you've been back many times. I went back
Speaker 1: one time, but You've been back many times to Children's Hospital.
Speaker 2: I've walked out floor that we were in, the room,
Speaker 2: I've passed it, walked out in that garden many times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it gets a little easier. Like the first time,
Speaker 2: I started almost hyperventilating. You can smell everything, you know,
Speaker 2: the alcohol and everything that you just had. Those smells
Speaker 2: and the sounds and the beeps, and it's like everything
Speaker 2: comes rushing back to you. Yeah. Yeah, we went out
Speaker 2: in that garden.
Speaker 1: That garden. Tell me the story about the the the
Speaker 1: orange tree, you.
Speaker 2: Remember that, yes, which is no longer there. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: they had given us a little placard for river and
Speaker 2: they put it. We went and kind of walked the
Speaker 2: property and picked a spot and there was an orange
Speaker 2: tree there. And when we went there was all these
Speaker 2: oranges in the little river. They were like floating down,
Speaker 2: and so we picked that spot and then I went
Speaker 2: back to look at it and I think it was
Speaker 2: like December or something sometime when that when that tree
Speaker 2: should not have had fruit and it was just full
Speaker 2: and maybe it was around that, I don't know when
Speaker 2: it was it was something significant. Either it was in
Speaker 2: the winter I should remember this, but or it was
Speaker 2: like on a special one of these special days of
Speaker 2: riv but it was some time where it shouldn't have
Speaker 2: had fruit and it did. And so I don't think
Speaker 2: that tree is there anymore, though I need to go back.
Speaker 2: But his little plaque is still there in the ground.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when Jesus rebuked the fig tree
Speaker 1: for not having figs when it should have, and you
Speaker 1: saw an orange tree that did have fruit when it
Speaker 1: shouldn't have. Yes, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, So that's our
Speaker 1: that's our six five, six five twenty five the day
Speaker 1: as we record this, And and honestly, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't feel that sting. I don't. I had lunch with
Speaker 1: a with a brother the other day.
Speaker 2: I'm just finding a b.
Speaker 1: That hasn't been closed. He's not close to our story.
Speaker 1: It's not close to me. It's not he's not in
Speaker 1: our church. And we had coffee and he goes. So
Speaker 1: is this time of year just really hard? I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He goes, you know, like first
Speaker 1: week of June? Is that just you just feel that
Speaker 1: weight coming up? And I was like, no, I don't. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a certain way I feel every day. But but
Speaker 1: but I guess the first week of June opens, well,
Speaker 1: it's still a beautiful time of year. It always has been.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful time in Texas, and it opens up
Speaker 1: new conversations with people that text. I had some people
Speaker 1: text me yesterday on June fourth, the day we lost Riv,
Speaker 1: that we're choking up, and they were like, just thinking
Speaker 1: about you and Amber and just pray for you every day,
Speaker 1: and it's just today is so heavy for me and
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine. And I just want to let
Speaker 1: you know, you know that with that day, that what
Speaker 1: it has meant to so many since then, and oh
Speaker 1: my brother, thank you, love you.
Speaker 3: But we're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, today is the day that the Lord has made
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I understand what people are saying about it, but I
Speaker 2: get it that wait, you know, because for the first
Speaker 2: couple of years, your body keeps the score. Your body.
Speaker 2: I would remember, Mike, even though I didn't might not
Speaker 2: know the exact day, I could just feel it in
Speaker 2: my body like sadness, you know, over through June sixth.
Speaker 2: But now Psalm forty, which has been on my heart
Speaker 2: this week is. I waited patiently for the Lord. He
Speaker 2: inclined to me and heard my cry. He drew me
Speaker 2: up from the pit of destruction. I'm gonna start crying
Speaker 2: out of the miriy bog and set my feet upon
Speaker 2: a rock, making my steps secure. He put a new
Speaker 2: song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God.
Speaker 2: Many will see and fear and put their trust in
Speaker 2: the Lord. And so June fifth was really dark, and
Speaker 2: I did not have a song of praise in my mouth.
Speaker 2: But by going to him and reading his word and
Speaker 2: learning who he reveals himself to be, the god of
Speaker 2: all the day, all of our days, he will put
Speaker 2: a new song in your mouth. And he has put
Speaker 2: a song in my mouth, a song of praise that, Yes,
Speaker 2: this is the day that the Lord has made. He
Speaker 2: knew when he formed river in my stomach what his
Speaker 2: day would be, and it was June fourth. And so
Speaker 2: when we come to know that and come to trust
Speaker 2: in the Lord, we can rejoice even on the really
Speaker 2: hard days.
Speaker 3: Incomprehensible to those who have no hope what you.
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Speaker 1: But I don't want to use his name. I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't use this country either. But there was a there
Speaker 1: is a There was a man from a far away
Speaker 1: foreign country that's a fan of ye Ye Okay. And
Speaker 1: he is from a country where religion is dead. It
Speaker 1: is one of the darkest corners of the world. To religion,
Speaker 1: not not just any not just Christianity, but any religion.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It is dark, and that darkness reflects in childbearing. There's
Speaker 1: kit the kids are non existent, that the the population
Speaker 1: is getting older anyway.
Speaker 3: But it's it's also.
Speaker 1: A very very beautiful country and very beautiful culture and
Speaker 1: very beautiful people. But this particular man, I'm going to
Speaker 1: protect his name in his country. He came to ye
Speaker 1: Fest and he speaks he speaks good English. But he said,
Speaker 1: I came. This is my second time to Texas, and
Speaker 1: I came the first time to Texas to Billy Bob's
Speaker 1: Oh Wow, And he said, you you told me. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not going anywhere. I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: on a different stage. My question is to you, ye
Speaker 1: ye nation. Will you follow me to the next stage?
Speaker 1: And he said. I thought to myself, yes, I will
Speaker 1: follow you anywhere. Okay, And he said, but but now
Speaker 1: I see where you're the stage that you're on, that
Speaker 1: the ministry, this Christianity thing, and I'm interested and I
Speaker 1: want to know, but I don't. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. Yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: took him into the Eye Farm, took him into the office. First.
Speaker 1: I invited him. When he told me that, I invited
Speaker 1: him to come shadow me and be with me all
Speaker 1: day Thursday, which is the day we loaded in and
Speaker 1: sound checked. I said, just come with me, just sit
Speaker 1: with me. We'll have some good conversations. And I took
Speaker 1: him into the office of the Ye Farm and I
Speaker 1: shared the gospel with them, and I told him as
Speaker 1: practically as I could, everything that I was doing and
Speaker 1: what the Lord has done to me, and the most
Speaker 1: practical way possible using the Bible. And you know, I
Speaker 1: told him what Jesus had done and how we had
Speaker 1: rebelled and we've been sinners, and we have we have
Speaker 1: turned our back on God as rebels. And God came
Speaker 1: into his own creation as the son, and Jesus lives
Speaker 1: the perfect life, fulfills the law perfectly in a way
Speaker 1: that we couldn't. Is obedient to the father, goes to
Speaker 1: the cross, dies and becomes a substitute that we is.
Speaker 1: He pays the penalty of our sin, like like someone
Speaker 1: coming and paying paying all of our parking fines. He
Speaker 1: pays it so that the judge says, you're fine, is paid,
Speaker 1: You're free to go. You are free now. And Jesus
Speaker 1: did that and then rose on the third day, saying
Speaker 1: all who look to him turn from their sins will
Speaker 1: be saved. It explained all this, and he goes, I
Speaker 1: want this, That's what I want. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's a cost to this, you know, like it's going
Speaker 1: to be very difficult. You can't I can't just tell
Speaker 1: you that you're gonna go back to your country and
Speaker 1: everything's going to be better. It actually might be worse now.
Speaker 1: You're going back to a very dark country when it
Speaker 1: comes to this. And and he said, that's okay, I
Speaker 1: want this, And so in my mind I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. But that doesn't just tell me you
Speaker 1: just made a decision for Christ and count your name
Speaker 1: in the Lamb's Book of Life, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: so it would. I don't want to give you a
Speaker 1: false assurance. So I said, okay, prove it to me.
Speaker 1: Let's start Matthew one tomorrow. We got on signaled together.
Speaker 1: He said, I want you to read Matthew one and
Speaker 1: then message me thoughts, comments, whatever he does.
Speaker 3: Questions done, yeah.
Speaker 1: Questions, comments, observations done. So we started that and I
Speaker 1: said it every day, don't skip a day, do the
Speaker 1: next chapter every day. Matthew two, Matthew three, at you four,
Speaker 1: five six, he's he you know, he does his time
Speaker 1: in Texas, goes back to his home country, still reading,
Speaker 1: still on signal every day, doing this thing, doing this
Speaker 1: talking every day. I'm wrestling through things with him, and
Speaker 1: I just start watching him grow.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: It is crazy. So I've got the text thread up
Speaker 1: here now. But then he gets to Matthew twenty six
Speaker 1: and he starts and by the way, he came to
Speaker 1: Amaus with us. He didn't even worshiped us two times,
Speaker 1: he he So he says things like that Matthew twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty four, Betraying Jesus would be the biggest sin I
Speaker 1: could imagine. So he's reading through and he says, this
Speaker 1: is interesting. He says in Matthew twenty six thirty three,
Speaker 1: he says, why Jesus said Peter would deny him three
Speaker 1: times in his broken English? And then he says, Dash
Speaker 1: just found out how after reading verse sixty nine to
Speaker 1: seventy five. So he's like learning the story in real time.
Speaker 1: But then listen to this Matthew twenty six forty one quote,
Speaker 1: keep watching pray so that you do not give into temptation,
Speaker 1: for the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.
Speaker 1: And he says, that's what I need. All I need,
Speaker 1: all I can do. I am emotional for hate on
Speaker 1: my sin, and I'm eager to Jesus to save me,
Speaker 1: save me from my sin. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: anything else, especially things that might disappoint God, who gave
Speaker 1: me great things. I think he's saved, he's saved.
Speaker 2: He came in and Granger was getting ready to take
Speaker 2: a shower, and he came in. He's like, babe, I
Speaker 2: think he's converted.
Speaker 1: I think he's converted. Amazing, and then he's one Matthew
Speaker 1: twenty seven today. This was today, and he's just he's
Speaker 1: he says, Matthew twenty seven, twenty one. So the governor
Speaker 1: asked again, which one, which one of these two do
Speaker 1: you want me to release to you? The crowd shouted
Speaker 1: back Barabbas, and he says, where is everyone, those who
Speaker 1: had sickness killed by Jesus? Where are they? He gets it,
Speaker 1: are they betraying Jesus as well? Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It is amazing to see how he's reading it like
Speaker 2: a story, like a book, and it is. It's the
Speaker 2: greatest story that there ever has been that we are
Speaker 2: a part of. But just seeing somebody read it like
Speaker 2: that versus our western culture.
Speaker 3: Of how we kind of we don't know many people
Speaker 3: here who have never read that or no, that's right,
Speaker 3: parts of that story, or have been in, you know,
Speaker 3: a sermon. We're going through the Book of Matthew, and
Speaker 3: you get five verses or six verses, right, and they
Speaker 3: hear that one, they don't come for two more weeks,
Speaker 3: three more weeks, and then they come back and they
Speaker 3: get the next, you know, on down and they kind
Speaker 3: of piece it together. He's reading it through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last night he said the story. He said, I
Speaker 1: want to share something with you. I helped my coworker
Speaker 1: who was mentally struggling at work. I brought him words
Speaker 1: from the Bible and strength I equipped by Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: our savior. Jesus showed his strength not just enough to
Speaker 1: help sinner like me, but also give strength to my neighbor.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, I can't thank Jesus enough for his words.
Speaker 1: And then he says, Granger, I believe God sent me
Speaker 1: to Texas twice to see the truth. And the truth
Speaker 1: is his love.
Speaker 3: Dude, incredible.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, you know, I'm messaging him and
Speaker 1: so around the world. And so then tomorrow, which is today,
Speaker 1: we'll start He'll start Matthew twenty eight. Oh cool. And
Speaker 1: then I said, tomorrow we start Mark and we'll keep going.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, you're going to tell him that
Speaker 3: it starts over from a different person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love that, yeah, because we'll
Speaker 1: get in from a different perspective. And this is just
Speaker 1: so exciting to think, that's amazing of this man right
Speaker 1: now in a dark culture that's religiously dead, and he's
Speaker 1: in his apartment.
Speaker 2: We were saying, it's like a never ending story where
Speaker 2: the little boy runs in, he hides and puts the
Speaker 2: cover over his head and opens it up and can't
Speaker 2: wait to see what happens next.
Speaker 1: Yes, so who knows what the Lord is going to do?
Speaker 1: Full circle here because of River, because of the Lord's
Speaker 1: work through River. On June fourth, twenty nineteen, who knows
Speaker 1: what is now starting in this country of darkness? The
Speaker 1: light has arrived.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's so cool. Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know you might maybe it was listening right now,
Speaker 1: But I love your body. I love you man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my Betty is Yeah, I know he.
Speaker 1: Is going to do some emails. Yeah.
Speaker 3: First one's from anonymous, dear granger. I started watching a
Speaker 3: Rise with Amber after my husband's alcoholism was confirmed, and
Speaker 3: I was searching for healing through alanon a similar and
Speaker 3: similar support. I'm grateful to share that my husband has
Speaker 3: now been sober for three years, but the journey hasn't
Speaker 3: been easy for either of us. I also struggled with
Speaker 3: postpartum depression and a traumatic birth. In your book resonated
Speaker 3: with me deeply. It was comforting to finally feel understood,
Speaker 3: especially after a time when I felt abandoned by God
Speaker 3: and even faced the thoughts of ending my life. Right now,
Speaker 3: I'm struggling with how to balance loving and supporting my
Speaker 3: husband without enabling him. I feel overwhelmed by household responsibilities,
Speaker 3: and I get frustrated when he relaxes while I manage
Speaker 3: everything else. Antimis, he has also been hard to rebuild,
Speaker 3: as most of it before was when he was drunk,
Speaker 3: and I still wrestle with a feeling like my emotional
Speaker 3: needs aren't being met. We attend a wonderful church and
Speaker 3: are both raised in the faith, but sometimes I'm unsure
Speaker 3: of where my husband stands spiritually, especially since he's more
Speaker 3: private about his faith and gets annoyed when I try
Speaker 3: to have deeper, deeper conversations. I just want to know
Speaker 3: that his heart is in a good place. If you
Speaker 3: share this on the podcast, please keep my name in
Speaker 3: church Anonymous. Thank you for the encouragement you and Amber provide.
Speaker 3: Your willingness to share how God God brings good through
Speaker 3: pain has meant so much to me. So really, the
Speaker 3: question here was you know, how to.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: I guess connect with her husband and find out where
Speaker 3: he is spiritually. I guess with just without asking.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and most likely he's not converted. It's
Speaker 1: kind of what we talked about with the on the
Speaker 1: Brother podcast last week. Yeah, we and and that's the
Speaker 1: difference in talking to a guy from a foreign country
Speaker 1: is it's so black and white that you it's easier
Speaker 1: to see. But in America, we have we have hints
Speaker 1: of godliness, we have hints of Christianity, you know, we
Speaker 1: we wear crosses around our neck and we say biblical things.
Speaker 1: And and then we start thinking, like she said, you're
Speaker 1: raised in the Christian home, you just start thinking you
Speaker 1: inherited it. And I'm I'm of the thinking that if
Speaker 1: he's not converted, and let me see, let me say
Speaker 1: it again, If he is, then he has been discipled
Speaker 1: so poorly that nothing is there's no fruit from it,
Speaker 1: and that's dangerous in itself. So I tend to think
Speaker 1: that he's not converted. Otherwise, like Paul Washer says, if
Speaker 1: you if I came in here and said, sorry, guys'm
Speaker 1: a little bit late. A macchruck hit me out in
Speaker 1: the in the road outside, but I made it, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, I don't believe you. If you encountered a
Speaker 1: big truck on the highway that hits you, you would
Speaker 1: be impacted by that in a way that everyone around
Speaker 1: you knows it. And if you come into contact with
Speaker 1: a holy god that has given you a new heart
Speaker 1: and changed your desires, then everyone around you knows something's
Speaker 1: different with this guy. I don't think anybody would look
Speaker 1: at me in twenty fifteen and then look at me
Speaker 1: now and go it seems like the same. He's the same,
Speaker 1: does the same thing, says the same things, likes the
Speaker 1: same things. That's not true. So that's what I think
Speaker 1: about this this He thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 2: She was just saying she's struggling with how to balance
Speaker 2: loving and supporting him without enabling him. That she feels
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by household responsibilities and gets frustrated when he relaxes
Speaker 2: while she manages everything. And I think that's a very
Speaker 2: natural feeling to feel overwhelmed. I don't know, does she
Speaker 2: say they have kids as a mom or handling all
Speaker 2: the all the the head.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's only only information about children.
Speaker 2: I think for that A lot of that, at least
Speaker 2: for me, is shifting my thoughts on that to where
Speaker 2: I don't sit in frustration, which I do a lot
Speaker 2: because I'm human and I sin, but shifting it to
Speaker 2: where I get to do these things for my kids
Speaker 2: and or my and my husband, and praying through those
Speaker 2: things while I'm folding laundry or while I'm doing dishes
Speaker 2: and the and realizing our role that God has given
Speaker 2: us as women in the home is to be the helper,
Speaker 2: is to submit and surrender and support and love and
Speaker 2: care for and nurture and take care of the home.
Speaker 2: And that's that's something I've had to learn and I'm
Speaker 2: still I'm still growing through that and feeling conviction through that,
Speaker 2: but praying through that as well, because that's a that's
Speaker 2: an honor to be able to do for the Lord
Speaker 2: into instead of just always seeing that I'm serving my husband,
Speaker 2: I'm serving my children, but I'm ultimately serving God. And
Speaker 2: so if I can shift my perspective that way, it
Speaker 2: helps me to be frustrated. It helps me to do
Speaker 2: things with joy. Not to say that we don't get overwhelmed,
Speaker 2: because I do, and I get frustrated and askedin and
Speaker 2: I ask for forgiveness, but also communication. I've learned with Grainger,
Speaker 2: Granger doesn't know what I need if I don't ask him.
Speaker 2: So if I'm just frustrated doing all the things and
Speaker 2: rage cleaning, he doesn't know, So just maybe try to
Speaker 2: have a conversation with your husband and say, Hey, I'm
Speaker 2: feeling very overwhelmed. Can you please help me with this?
Speaker 2: A simple conversation could help a lot of bitterness. And Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that would help a little bit.
Speaker 3: It's great. Sarah is the next email. Hey Granger, I'm sixteen.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for some advice. I've been dating my boyfriend
Speaker 3: for about eight months and he has a close He
Speaker 3: has a close female friend who's also part of our
Speaker 3: friend group. We're both Christians. He's newer to the faith
Speaker 3: and I've been a Christian my whole life. I've known
Speaker 3: his friend for about two years, though we're not super close.
Speaker 3: She played a big part in helping him come to faith,
Speaker 3: which I'm really thankful for. But now that we're dating,
Speaker 3: I feel like their relationship ship needs to change. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it feels like he crosses the line between friendship and
Speaker 3: something more, even if he doesn't see it that way.
Speaker 3: I don't want them to stop being friends, but also
Speaker 3: think he needs to realize that while God used her
Speaker 3: to help him, she's not the one who saved him.
Speaker 3: I've talked to my best friend about it and receives
Speaker 3: and receive some helpful biblical advice. But I'd really appreciate
Speaker 3: your perspective to thank you for what you do. Your
Speaker 3: music and podcast have been a blessing and seeing you
Speaker 3: preach live was amazing. God bless.
Speaker 1: Because so if this was live and we're in the
Speaker 1: theater somewhere, it's boyfriend, right, So yeah, i'd say, how
Speaker 1: long does it say? Eight months?
Speaker 2: And they're sixteen?
Speaker 1: And they're sixteen, Yeah, I mean like this is this
Speaker 1: is uh, it's very real to them. This is not
Speaker 1: what is not what she wants to hear. But hey,
Speaker 1: you got to, like, you gotta let go of this guy.
Speaker 1: He is not your husband.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yep, I agree with that. And I
Speaker 3: mean it sounds like that he's yeah, we're boyfriend and girlfriend,
Speaker 3: but I like these other girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's fringes of jealousy all through.
Speaker 2: That for shure, And you've said all the time, men
Speaker 2: and women, boys and girls can't just be friends. There's
Speaker 2: always one of them probably has feelings for the other
Speaker 2: in some sort of capacity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sixteen, just be friends. All of you be friends.
Speaker 1: Take the relationships out of it.
Speaker 3: This is why. And see if you had This is
Speaker 3: why as parents, especially dads, it's like, you're not dating
Speaker 3: till you're twenty. No, you're just friends with people, yeah,
Speaker 3: or thirty five friends. Thirty five will come down, you know.
Speaker 1: With London, I've lately I've been saying I've been saying
Speaker 1: eighteen because I'm kind of thinking about when you're out
Speaker 1: of the house. You know. It's because she'll say things
Speaker 1: like could I get another piercing? And I say absolutely,
Speaker 1: when you're eighteen, when you're not here, when you don't
Speaker 1: live here. And I took a walk with her the
Speaker 1: other day. It's like, you know why I keep saying
Speaker 1: when you're eighteen or when you don't live here, because
Speaker 1: my job until until you're on your own is to
Speaker 1: protect you from things that you might regret later because
Speaker 1: your brain isn't fully developed. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: stand in front of you when you're thirty and you go, Dad,
Speaker 1: why in the world did you let me do this?
Speaker 1: Why did you let me get this tattoo? Why did
Speaker 1: you let me get this piercing? Why did you let
Speaker 1: me date that guy? Why did you let me go
Speaker 1: to this party? I don't want to meet that London yep,
Speaker 1: And be a coward in front of her and go
Speaker 1: because I was weak. I don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: so I would rather be strong and say you cannot.
Speaker 1: But when you are old, when you're old enough to
Speaker 1: make your own decisions, if you want to get a
Speaker 1: tattoo or a double piercing, whatever, if you want to
Speaker 1: date a weirdo when you're twenty five, I cannot stop you.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to. I wouldn't encourage you to,
Speaker 1: and I would. I would give you all the best
Speaker 1: I can to tell you not to. But I can't
Speaker 1: make you. But I can now I say no, not yet.
Speaker 1: And so so yeah, at sixteen, this dating thing, she's
Speaker 1: got to let him go. She has to let him go.
Speaker 3: Way too young to be that serious. That's for sure.
Speaker 3: Time for one more, Yeah, serenity, says high Granger. Since
Speaker 3: I was three, my mom's sister and I have gone
Speaker 3: to church, but my dad never joined us. He struggled
Speaker 3: with alcoholism and was more abusive toward me than anyone
Speaker 3: else in our family, which caused me to hate myself
Speaker 3: from a young age. When I was eleven, something happened
Speaker 3: that made me decide to cut him out of my
Speaker 3: life and When my parents divorced a year later, I
Speaker 3: felt relief, but it also gave me space to think
Speaker 3: about everything. I'm known for being forgiving and rarely hold grudges.
Speaker 3: On a mission trip, we were encouraged to forgive those
Speaker 3: who have hurt us, but I just can't seem to
Speaker 3: forgive my dad no matter how much I pray or try.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel guilty and like I'm failing as
Speaker 3: a Christian. Thank you for your podcast. It means a
Speaker 3: lot to me, Sincerely, Simenity.
Speaker 1: Oh, the old forgiveness question.
Speaker 2: That's hard, especially being that young and not feeling like
Speaker 2: you were protected or having this vision or expectation of
Speaker 2: how you believe an earthly father should treat you, and
Speaker 2: I kind of I know what that feels like, and
Speaker 2: feeling that they let you down, but knowing that you
Speaker 2: have a heavenly father who does not, even when we
Speaker 2: fail as humans and forgiveness, I've learned that obviously we
Speaker 2: are called to forgive because Jesus has forgiven us much,
Speaker 2: and so it doesn't make it easy. And that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you have to reconcile with your father, but
Speaker 2: you can release that burden and say I forgive him.
Speaker 2: I'm still you know, it hurts and I wish it
Speaker 2: would didn't happen this way, but I'm going to let
Speaker 2: this go. I'm going to forgive him. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you have to build that relationship back. Sometimes
Speaker 2: you think people think if you say I forgive you,
Speaker 2: it means you have to go right back to the
Speaker 2: way it was and you're going to have this perfect
Speaker 2: father daughter relationship. And that's yeah, and that's just not
Speaker 2: always the case. You have to build that trust over time,
Speaker 2: and sometimes that might not be reconciled ever, but you
Speaker 2: can release that. You have to let go of that
Speaker 2: so you don't have that bitterness. And there's that saying
Speaker 2: about drinking poison something if it's like, if you don't forgive,
Speaker 2: you're drinking poison expecting the other person to die. You
Speaker 2: can forgive in your heart, but you don't have to
Speaker 2: mend that relationship. And you might want to mend that
Speaker 2: as you get older, but that takes two parties, repenting,
Speaker 2: turning away, and reconciling together. That takes two open hearts
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's good. The forgiveness is not equal trust,
Speaker 1: you know, so you forgive and That doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: have to agree or trust, but you do have to forgive.
Speaker 1: And really, as far as the Bible goes, when it
Speaker 1: comes to forgiveness, we're commanded to forgive because we have
Speaker 1: a savior at the pinnacle of our faith that is
Speaker 1: hanging on a cross saying, Father, forgive them. They know
Speaker 1: not what they do to the very men that have
Speaker 1: put him there. Yeah, that that is. That does not
Speaker 1: make it easy. But when we look to that ass
Speaker 1: as the pinnacle of why we are to forgive, then
Speaker 1: we see that it's a heart position. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a heart turn not and not an action that says,
Speaker 1: now we continue on the path of trust. Now you
Speaker 1: don't you don't have to trust someone to forgive them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think Jesus would have said, now,
Speaker 1: I trust you that you're not going to kill me. Right.
Speaker 2: It's a daily choice, like you don't. You can't just
Speaker 2: forgive your dad today and be like I'm great. It's
Speaker 2: going to take every day for you to say, no,
Speaker 2: I have to forgive him. I'm going to forgive him
Speaker 2: every day. And it seems a little easier for me
Speaker 2: now if I know that they if these people are
Speaker 2: whoever we're going to forgive, aren't Christians and aren't converted
Speaker 2: because they don't know how to be any other way.
Speaker 2: They're they're just sinful and they haven't had they haven't
Speaker 2: had a changed heart. So I feel like it's a
Speaker 2: little easier to forgive in that sense because they know
Speaker 2: not what they do.
Speaker 1: Forgiveness. It's great if it if it turns into reconciliation,
Speaker 1: and reconciliation is great if it turns into restoration. But
Speaker 1: neither one of those steps are guaranteed. Forgiveness doesn't always
Speaker 1: equal or doesn't always lead to reconciliation, and reconciliation doesn't
Speaker 1: always lead to restoration.
Speaker 3: So some people feel like it has to be a
Speaker 3: package deal.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's that's where people run into big time problems.
Speaker 1: I have people that say to me, there's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine I grew up with, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: struggle my wife and I struggle with forgiveness because I've
Speaker 1: asked her, why can't you forgive me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And she just ca it and and and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that's because you're you guys are confusing reconciliation and you
Speaker 1: want restoration, and she's confusing forgiveness with reconciliation and all
Speaker 1: of this, that none of those things are guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Three three very separate and to be dealt with
Speaker 3: on their own. Forgiveness on its own by itself, and
Speaker 3: a silo. Yeah, and and so forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it flows forward. Those three things flow into each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're they're not guaranteed to no matter what you do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the the the reconcilient, would you say, reconciliation
Speaker 3: and rest restoration. Yeah, they can't be touched until the forgiveness. Yes, like,
Speaker 3: if you haven't done the forgiveness, those other two aren't
Speaker 3: gonna matter because they're you're never going to get to them.
Speaker 3: But just because you're forgiven doesn't mean that there's the
Speaker 3: other two are automatically checked. Boxes are checked.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so it's like a daughter looking at a
Speaker 1: bad father, Yeah, saying the daughter says, I forgive you,
Speaker 1: and the father says, then let's reconcile. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's that doesn't I don't want to go there.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be right for me to go there. But
Speaker 1: forgiveness is what is required. Jesus doesn't say you must
Speaker 1: reconcile with your neighbor. You must reconcile with your evil neighbor, right,
Speaker 1: I don't say that.
Speaker 2: And I also don't think that we can truly forgive
Speaker 2: somebody unless we truly know Jesus, unless we truly know
Speaker 2: what we have been forgiven for, like truly know it.
Speaker 2: It's really hard to forgive if you don't know the
Speaker 2: forgiveness in Christ. It's not human and natural to be
Speaker 2: able to do that.
Speaker 3: You're not a right headspace for forgiveness without Christ. You
Speaker 3: can't comprehend true forgiveness without him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can't. You can forgive, just like
Speaker 1: you can have joy. People without Christ can have joy.
Speaker 1: But that's because we're made in the image of God,
Speaker 1: and so we mimic life, because of our DNA, because
Speaker 1: of our nature. We mimic life. But what's so kind
Speaker 1: of corpse? You know?
Speaker 2: One, it's not lasting, It goes until the next bad situation.
Speaker 2: You don't have joy from the inside out, which is circumstantial.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's it. That's all we emails.
Speaker 1: We got to do great. Yeah, you guys are great.
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