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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, Well Final Hour and this Monday, Dan and

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Speaker 1: the Danastan Patrick Show, more phone calls, best and worst

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Speaker 1: to the weekend. Mike Tannenbaum, former NFL GM has come

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Speaker 1: out and said Aaron Rodgers is being selfish by delaying

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Speaker 1: his decision. We'll talk to Mike Tannenbaum. He'll join us

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Speaker 1: at the combine. Wrap that up as well. We like

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Speaker 1: to look at the combine and how it impacts the

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Speaker 1: first round of the draft, those who were on the rise,

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Speaker 1: those who are falling. So coach or Mike Tannenbaum will

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Speaker 1: join us coming up in a little bit. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot made out of what happened after North Carolina

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Speaker 1: beat Duke. Hubert Davis, the North Carolina head coach, was

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Speaker 1: snubbed post game handshake. And as you're watching this that

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Speaker 1: the Duke assistant coaches Chris Carrollwell and Nolan Smith. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they were refew using to shake Hubert

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Speaker 1: Davis's hand for a reason. Now, Nolan Smith did shake

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Speaker 1: Davis's hand, but appeared to look the other way while

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Speaker 1: doing so. Going through the motions. Now, there was a

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Speaker 1: story on ESPN on Wednesday that suggested that people within

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Speaker 1: the Duke basketball program were upset that North Carolina didn't

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Speaker 1: honor Coach K during his farewell tour while all the

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Speaker 1: other ACC schools did. Coach K's final trip to the

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Speaker 1: Dean Smith Center, Duke won by twenty that was February fifth.

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Speaker 1: There was no acknowledgement by North Carolina other than a

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Speaker 1: brief mention of Coach K at the beginning of the game.

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Speaker 1: Hubert Davis said he didn't understand why the Duke assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches took blame took issue. I should say, he goes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the point was. I didn't play

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Speaker 1: against them. I don't know him personally, but it might

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Speaker 1: stem from North Carolina not acknowledging Coach K. So is

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Speaker 1: it petty on Duke's end? Is it petty on North

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Speaker 1: Carolina's end to not acknowledge Coach K? Yes, That's why

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that North Carolina gave

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Speaker 1: him some type I mentioned welcome Coach K. And at

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Speaker 1: the last game at the Dean Doome, are they supposed

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Speaker 1: to give him a wheelchair and have a special ceremony

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Speaker 1: before the game. Yeah, everybody else did. Everybody else acknowledged it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else is not at all similar in the rivalry

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Speaker 1: levels of North Carolina, Duke, those are the teams he

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Speaker 1: whooped up on for you. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you have to do a presentation, No, you

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Speaker 1: don't have to. But I don't have any problem in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina didn't acknowledge that this is a rivalry. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's not make any mistake here. This is a rivalry.

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Speaker 1: Now what I think you would do that just out

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Speaker 1: of class? If Dean Smith was still there, Roy Williams

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Speaker 1: still there, I would say that they would because they

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Speaker 1: have a relationship with coach K. Hubert Davis just got there. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's the one deciding this, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any way d Smith is not acknowledge

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Speaker 1: Coach K or Roy Williams. Don't think so. But if

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Speaker 1: Hubert Davis says, look, I played in this rivalry and

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Speaker 1: this rivalry continues, I am not gonna fake it, you know,

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Speaker 1: if that's what his mindset is on it. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know this, but if I'm Duke, like there's so

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Speaker 1: many other things that I would be concerned about, then

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Speaker 1: they didn't acknowledge coach K. Yeah. See, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: one thing. I know. Nobody and a mean absolutely nobody

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Speaker 1: snubs Chris Carrolall, oh yeah, nobody. That's the story here. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: just want nobody snubs Chris carrowall gets away. That's fair,

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Speaker 1: all right, yes, Todd. But if Hubert Davis, you know,

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Speaker 1: totally ignored all the assistant coaches before the game, you

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Speaker 1: have that on top of the hole. Whether they celebrated him,

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Speaker 1: you know, in chapel hell or not. You know, if

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Speaker 1: it's both of those things going on, I could see

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Speaker 1: where maybe a couple assistants that I'm just gonna blow

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Speaker 1: a duke. Therefore Duke's assistant coaches a little frosty. There

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Speaker 1: there in lies the rub, therein lies the handshake. Yes,

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Speaker 1: new policy, because the handshake line is big this year.

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Speaker 1: The head coaches shake hands and then the assistant coaches

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Speaker 1: shake each other's hands. There's no cross pollination. You just

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Speaker 1: make it even levels. How about just the head coach

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Speaker 1: shake hands with the other head coach and that's it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: don't need anything else. Just two coaches teams go to

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Speaker 1: your locker room. That's that's good. Yeah. I've been on

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Speaker 1: How bad if they do said crappy game, crappy game,

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Speaker 1: Yes time. I never understood the literally tradition if the

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Speaker 1: opposing team hit a home run that the infield has

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Speaker 1: had to stick their hand out and like give him five.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that happened everywhere, but in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: first base and as this guy's going around and just

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Speaker 1: time in literally care I would never do that. Did

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Speaker 1: not understand that at all. And it didn't happen to

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Speaker 1: you because you didn't hit home runs, that's right. I

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Speaker 1: actually I hit three, but it was a very tail

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Speaker 1: dad wasn't even there to see it. What might you

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Speaker 1: called her to career? In my literly career, I was

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Speaker 1: on a couple of All Star days. We won the

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Speaker 1: I was on Lincoln Savings bag. It was great, Well,

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Speaker 1: his team. Was awesome. Yeah, and your dad wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: He was there for that. But I hit two of

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Speaker 1: two of my three home runs that I hit my

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to make it for that. Did you hit

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Speaker 1: Another one there was like an apartment building next to

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Speaker 1: I have picture of me on with my Littleague team,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln staving banks good times. Yeah. I struck out eighteen

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Speaker 1: can't believe that happened. I was eight years old and

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Speaker 1: career achievement here athletically? That is that your number one?

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Speaker 1: That's impressive. In little league you're bringing cheese Seaton O'Connor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Fred Terris, who was playing center field, like you better

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Speaker 1: And the next day in the newspaper they did a

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Speaker 1: a good reporting though, to know that little factor. Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know he was paying attention to my season

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Speaker 1: that closely. But Marvin, your career highlight in sports is, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna go? Like seventh grade rec

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Speaker 1: League semifinals, fourteen points, fourteen rebounds, okay, and then like

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Speaker 1: you're a career highlight in sports. It could be the

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Speaker 1: AUAA banked three pointed. When I was a little kid,

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Speaker 1: I pretty much stunk in sports football, no highlights. I

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Speaker 1: avoiding a loss. It's funny, that's a loss. That's a loss. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bad Fritzies I think is the best. He struck out

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Speaker 1: every batter and a loss. Didn't that happen to a

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Speaker 1: Yankees pitcher? Didn't he throw a no hitter and still lose? Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Reds throw a no hitter and lost. Harvey Haddocks

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Speaker 1: had a twelve inning no hitter and then either got

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Speaker 1: There's been a few combined no hitter losses as well.

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Speaker 1: Matt Young of the Red Sox and ninety two did

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Speaker 1: it against Cleveland, the loss and the no hitter. Jared

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Speaker 1: Todd with uh the sports career highlight there, Yes, time,

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Speaker 1: but everything bounces out because in one summer league. I

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Speaker 1: a one run lead, two out second and third. Supposedly

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Speaker 1: This has been a championship. We're winning by one. Supposed

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Speaker 1: Never heard that. Throw the pitch bang double over the

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Speaker 1: how do you quietly shop somebody? Mike, That's how we

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Speaker 1: got Brett fag when I was at the Jets. That's

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Speaker 1: your job. You got to be a great listener. You

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Speaker 1: got to call every team all the time and you

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Speaker 1: have to say, hey, is Russell Wilson available? And else

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Speaker 1: what the bill is? When you're dealing with guys like

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Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, there's not a ton

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Speaker 1: of negotiations. It's more of like, here's the bill, do

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Speaker 1: you want to pay it? And again, based on my experience,

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Speaker 1: stand you pay bills, you can't ever pay greatness. In

435
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Speaker 1: terms of quarterback, we just came back from the combine.

436
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Speaker 1: There's really not a lot of answers there this year,

437
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Speaker 1: and there's about at least twelve teams that meet a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If I could get Wilson or Rodgers, I'm not letting

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Speaker 1: the other team get off the phone. But when you

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Speaker 1: called the Packers about Brett Farve, get take me into

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Speaker 1: those discussions. How does it work? Well, he really want

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Speaker 1: to go to Tampa Bay and pay for John Bruden

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Speaker 1: at the time, and wanted nothing to do with going

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Speaker 1: to New York and the Northeast. So we actually spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time convincing him that where we were

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Speaker 1: there was farmed and he could go hunting. In fact

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Speaker 1: that they said, Brett, if you don't hunt every single Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: you're a day off. I'm going to find you there

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Speaker 1: will be mandatory hunting and fishing as a New York jet.

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Speaker 1: And we just kept trying to understand what his concerns

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Speaker 1: were because Green Bay, ironically, with Aaron Rodgers sitting there,

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Speaker 1: knew they were in great shape of the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: And what we had going for us was they really

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Speaker 1: wanted him in the AFC more than the NASC. So

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Speaker 1: that really helped our advantage. And again fast forward to Todaygan,

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Speaker 1: if I'm sitting there as the Packers, I would much

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Speaker 1: prefer to trade Aaron Rodgers to the Denver Broncos than

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers or any other team in the NASC. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I also wonder if Green Bay knew what they

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Speaker 1: had in Jordan Love, would they be going through any

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Speaker 1: of this right now. I think Green Bay had the

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Speaker 1: right strategy and poorly executed. And what I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is two years ago they said, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we got to be prepared for Aaron Rodgers graduating. And

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Speaker 1: what happened was they traded a fourth round pick. They

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Speaker 1: traded a fourth round pick to go up and get

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love. They have more questions than answers with him,

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Speaker 1: and if I was them, I would just keep adding one.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the great Ron Wolf did. Matt House,

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Speaker 1: beat Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, all those quarterbacks were developed

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Speaker 1: under Brett Fad. They need that same mindset because the

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Speaker 1: only grade you really can give Jordan Love Dan is

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Speaker 1: a great incomplete. But they have to keep that mindset,

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Speaker 1: keep adding another quarterback. Would you rather have Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: for three years or Russell Wilson for five Rogers for

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Speaker 1: three because I think he's the best player on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And again, if we were running a team Dan, We'll

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Speaker 1: keep looking for his replacement. But will you have a

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Speaker 1: chance to win a championship? It's hard to say no

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Speaker 1: that Would you rather have Rodgers for one year or

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Speaker 1: Brady for one year. Probably Brady. I got twenty years

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Speaker 1: a scar two that guy. Who would you take Dan

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Speaker 1: for one year? I would take Rogers that I think

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Speaker 1: he can do more with less. I think Brady when

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Speaker 1: it's structured, when it's like he has the right people

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Speaker 1: in the right place, I think Rodgers can make things happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Tom makes those things happen. All things equal,

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Speaker 1: that Tom gets to pick his team and Aaron gets

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Speaker 1: to pick his team, I'd probably take Tom. But you

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Speaker 1: know you don't get to always do that. Let's spice

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Speaker 1: it up a little bit. I'd rather have Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: at his salary and his lesser demands economically than Rogers

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Speaker 1: as his because if we have Tom, we could bring

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Speaker 1: back a lot more of the band. Okay, how much

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Speaker 1: is Tom going to cost you? What do he played for?

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Speaker 1: About twenty five twenty six billion in Tampa, where Rodgers

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Speaker 1: will probably take probably double that. If Mahomes is at

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Speaker 1: forty five. I think Rodgers, if he plays, will be

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Speaker 1: north of fifty. Yeah, and I think that's fair when

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Speaker 1: you bring in the money. But do you think Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady's done? No? I don't you know why? He could

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Speaker 1: have told the entire Planet when he was on with

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Speaker 1: Jim Brady that I am done unequivocally. And I think

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Speaker 1: if you cut Tom Brady in half, Dan, what's gonna

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Speaker 1: ooze out of him? If a world class competitor and

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Speaker 1: you're a great dad, I like to think I'm a

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Speaker 1: good dad. You could take your kids to school, and

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Speaker 1: that's all well and good. But it's Tom Brady, Like,

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Speaker 1: how many times can you take the garbage oil to

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Speaker 1: the end of the driveway? Right, I mean even as

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Speaker 1: long as a driveway as he has Like at some point, right,

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Speaker 1: guy's still playing at a high level. How do you

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Speaker 1: pursue Tom Brady if you're the nine Ers? Oh, that's easy.

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Speaker 1: I am relentless. I am saying, this is about your legacy,

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Speaker 1: this is your hometown, and we'll talk to Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: You tell them that you're not going to play there.

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Speaker 1: I lived this unfortunately, because what happened was far. It

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Speaker 1: was like, look, I want to play one more year,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to play here anymore. It worked

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Speaker 1: out for us of the Jets because we had just

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Speaker 1: hired Rex Ryan. We wanted to draft somebody to build

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Speaker 1: with Rex. We got fortunate worked out. We drafted Sanchez

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Speaker 1: want a whole bunch of games together. But if I

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Speaker 1: was the forty nine ers, I would call up Joel Blazer,

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Speaker 1: the owner of the Buccaneers, and just say, hey, he's

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Speaker 1: not playing there anymore. We want to sign him for

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Speaker 1: one more year and we'll give you something because if not,

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Speaker 1: he's just going to run away on your reserve or

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Speaker 1: tired list. So why not get at least something for

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Speaker 1: him and then at the right time, have Tom put

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Speaker 1: some pressure on and that could be more of a

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Speaker 1: July conversation to be candid. Yeah, but you know, Bruce

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Speaker 1: Arian said, it's bad for business if all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you're letting Tom kind of dictate what goes on here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's worse for business, Bruce, is if you get nothing

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Speaker 1: for a guy that says he wants to play, but

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Speaker 1: he just wants to play for his hometown. So it

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Speaker 1: could get really sticky. And again, I actually lived at

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Speaker 1: Dan I thought through those machinations of like, we may

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Speaker 1: tell Brett he can't go anyplace else, But I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking like, at the end of the day, if

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Speaker 1: the guy who doesn't want to be there, you're really

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Speaker 1: stopping progress of your own organization. So at some point,

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Speaker 1: cut your losses, get what you can and move on

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Speaker 1: because at some point, either Kyle Trass or Blaine Gabbert,

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Speaker 1: someone's going to be the guy for them in Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: And if Tom wakes up on July fourth and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, these car pools are a little bit too

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Speaker 1: much for me and I want to play for my hometown,

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Speaker 1: I think it would be hard for Tampa to stop that.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we have a bet here, PAULI, my producer,

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Speaker 1: thinks that a quarterback is selected the first thirteen picks

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Speaker 1: of this draft. The over under is thirteen and a half. Now,

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Speaker 1: any quarterback is going to go in the top thirteen picks.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to weigh in on that? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take the under. I was there. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: more questions than answers this year. And with that said,

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Speaker 1: if you and I Dan, we're having a conversation of

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Speaker 1: three years. I think Kenny Pickett will be a decent starter.

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Speaker 1: I think Malik Willis is super intriguing because he's really

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Speaker 1: well built. He just needs a little polish. And I

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Speaker 1: think they'll be drafted, but I think it's lower in

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Speaker 1: the teens at the earliest. Oh, so you're taking the

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Speaker 1: over so there's not a quarterback selected in the first thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, yeah, I bet under like lower in

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Speaker 1: the round, but yes, I think okay, eighteen, nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: somewhere and there. When does hand size matter with these quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: Great question, Dan, Context is everything. Kenny Pickett's had twenty

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Speaker 1: seven fumbles and lost the leven them. It's meaningful with him.

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Speaker 1: If we're talking about a guy that never had any fumbles,

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Speaker 1: you can have six in chance, it wouldn't matter, but

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Speaker 1: the fact that they were sub nine inches and he's

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Speaker 1: had ball security. Now, with that said, if you and

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Speaker 1: I were running team, we could still take him, but

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Speaker 1: we'd be sitting there talking about what's our plan for him?

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Speaker 1: What's the ball security drills? Like, how are we going

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Speaker 1: to work on this? Every player has streets and weaknesses,

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Speaker 1: but his hand side is meaningful because he's had twenty

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Speaker 1: seven fumbles in his career. What's the thirty three team

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Speaker 1: is that you're teaching at Columbia? Is that part of that? Well? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here slightly different. So the thirty third team is a

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Speaker 1: bunch of coaches like Doug Pearson, Dan Quinn that when

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Speaker 1: they were with the team they wanted to state current

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Speaker 1: and we have some rockstar grad students that are supporting them,

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Speaker 1: and we're just putting out free content to the world

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Speaker 1: that's sort of like just looking at things from behind

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Speaker 1: the current. We had Brian Schottenheimer just write an article

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Speaker 1: about what it's like to be a quarterback coach at

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Speaker 1: the Combine. We had Bill polly Wright an article why

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Speaker 1: he hired Tony Dungee. And it's just trying to bring

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Speaker 1: people behind the scenes. It's thirty third team dot com

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Speaker 1: and we have a free newsletter. But you're also teaching

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Speaker 1: a course at Columbia University, aren't you. I am, So

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Speaker 1: I squeeze at him between my responsibilities at ESPN. So

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Speaker 1: we do that every Tuesday in the fall. And that's

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Speaker 1: the business of the NFL, and it's great. There's so

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Speaker 1: much to talk about around the league, and there's a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of grass tuents that are way smart than

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Speaker 1: their professors. So I think I learned as much from

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Speaker 1: them as they learn from me. Help me understand that

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Speaker 1: Sam how the North Carolina quarterback, goes in for his

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Speaker 1: interview with the Eagles. As soon as he walks in,

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Speaker 1: they have him do pop his shot? What what are

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Speaker 1: you looking for there? If you're the Eagles competitors, you know,

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Speaker 1: like Pete Carol is really known for that. Like Pete

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Speaker 1: in his team meetings will have an offensive guy against

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Speaker 1: a defensive guy and he wants them competing at everything.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're looking you know, Coach Parcels has

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Speaker 1: a great expression, Dan, like you want to battlefield commander

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback. So does he hit the shot? Does

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Speaker 1: he command the room? Does he handle adversity? I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you how many times, Dan, over the years in

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Speaker 1: Indie we have taken quarterbacks off our board where we

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Speaker 1: would show some interceptions and we would say, hey, take

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Speaker 1: us through that play and they would blame the play call,

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Speaker 1: they blame the receiver, they blame and like they're they're

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Speaker 1: off the board. So you've learned a lot about people

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Speaker 1: that way. What if they're right, What if their assessment

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Speaker 1: of the play was it was a bad call. You

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Speaker 1: know that receiver made the wrong pattern. Yeah, no, that's

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Speaker 1: fair to him. But you gotta be Alon Rodgers or

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Speaker 1: pat Patrick Mahomes. I have a little equity in that conversation. First,

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Speaker 1: you don't think, you don't think Aaron Rodgers would blame

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Speaker 1: the play calling or his wide receiver coming out of Cow.

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Speaker 1: He would. But you know, it's interesting you say that

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers slid for a lot of reasons back in

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Speaker 1: the day, and we didn't interview when he came out,

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you, like intangibles matter, especially at what

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Speaker 1: was the criticism of Rodgers and why he felt it first?

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Speaker 1: And you know, he was a junior college transfer first

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Speaker 1: of all. You know he was not and now look

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Speaker 1: nowadays that wouldn't matter at all. Back then, there was

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Speaker 1: all sorts of studies about being a thirty forty game starter,

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Speaker 1: and I think there were some questions about you know, leadership,

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Speaker 1: and look at the time, the irony was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith went run and Mike McCarthy was the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator of the forty niners, Mike Doah was the head coach.

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Speaker 1: They picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers. McCarthy becomes a

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Speaker 1: So the ultimate irony was if McCarthy, as the offensive

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Speaker 1: Thinking about how much history would have been different for

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Speaker 1: Mike Nolan at the time, Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy and

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Speaker 1: green Day great stuff. As always, Mike, we appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You make as smarter. Yeah, I appreciate A

646
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Speaker 1: big fan of your show and really appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 1: That's Mike Tannenbaum, the ESPN NFL Fun Office insider, former

648
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Speaker 1: Jets jam He's got strong opinions, and that's what I

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651
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Speaker 1: the business, but they don't give you opinions. And I

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Speaker 1: always appreciated that with Mike that sometimes it's not popular,

653
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Speaker 1: but if that's how he really feels, that's when they're

654
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Speaker 1: a great guest. Yes, Paul, it's got to be so

655
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Speaker 1: tough on a quarterback at the combine. If you're an

656
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657
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Speaker 1: run the wrong pad man, you're being honest, but you're like,

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Speaker 1: I can't be honest, Like I say, you know what,

659
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Speaker 1: that was on us. We just didn't get it done

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Speaker 1: in that, you know, Like, what do you say? I

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662
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Speaker 1: know what, Maybe there's miscommunication. But it's ultimately it's it's

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Speaker 1: on me. Ultimately it's on me. If I if I'm

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Speaker 1: with your teammates. Well, no, I wouldn't even say that.

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Speaker 1: I'd just say, look, ultimately, it's on me. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like it have been in this communication. I wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: do that. I wouldn't even do that. I would just

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Speaker 1: say it's on me. I made the throw, no matter

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Speaker 1: what else happened there, I have to make the correct

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Speaker 1: throw there. That way, I'm gonna leave it up to

677
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Speaker 1: why they're asking you the question. They want to see

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Speaker 1: what you're going to say. Yeah, Paul, what if you're

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681
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Speaker 1: it had to be someone else's fault because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: We started the show talking about Lebron James, and Lebron

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Speaker 1: gets upset, not using the word he used, but he

705
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Speaker 1: gets upset that he's not considered one of the great

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Speaker 1: scorers of all time. I would view it as a

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Speaker 1: compliment because the scorer feels like you're one dimensional, and

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Speaker 1: Lebron is not one dimensional. Lebron, to me, is the

709
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Speaker 1: best all around basketball player in the history of the game.

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Speaker 1: He's a great scorer, great passer, rebounder, finisher, He's been

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Speaker 1: big in clutch moments. There's a lot of great things

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Speaker 1: about him. Not just a score. Alex English was a score,

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Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony score, Karl Malone score, although he was a

714
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Speaker 1: little bit more than that Adrian Danley score. That's when

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Speaker 1: you thought of them, You thought of that George Gervan score.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's not a scorer like that. Lebron's a great basketball player.

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Speaker 1: It's like Kareem. I think Kareem was always shortsighted where

718
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Speaker 1: people would go. He just has that skyhook. Well, when

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Speaker 1: he first came into the league, he was giving you

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Speaker 1: thirty and eighteen and probably five blocks. He was the

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Speaker 1: best player in the game and it wasn't closed. But

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes I don't know. It feels like Lebron

723
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Speaker 1: is looking for arguments and maybe you could say it's

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Speaker 1: working because this year he might lead the league in

725
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Speaker 1: scoring at thirty seven. The last time he was averaging that,

726
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: he was twenty three. I mean, this is this is crazy.

727
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Speaker 1: It's a whole new generation that he's doing this against.

728
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Speaker 1: But you know he got He had this to say

729
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Speaker 1: on his show The Shop about being labeled a great score.

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Speaker 1: The crazy thing is, I'm not. I'm not like a

731
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Speaker 1: natural score like I loved like getting my guys involved.

732
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Speaker 1: I've always been that way. I've always like the point

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Speaker 1: of seeing my teammate succeeed off my path or having

734
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: like I've always been that type of guy. And to

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Speaker 1: sit at the top of the food chain and the

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Speaker 1: most point scored in the history of the game, it's

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Speaker 1: like it's weird to me, Like they don't never they

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Speaker 1: don't call they don't ever call me, they don't never

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Speaker 1: call me in when they talk about the best scores

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Speaker 1: of all the time, they never mentioned my name. Yeah,

741
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Speaker 1: it pissed me off. Okay, Babe Ruth was considered the

742
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Speaker 1: greatest home run hitter, but he was the greatest player

743
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Speaker 1: because he also won nearly one hundred games pitching. He

744
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Speaker 1: had a really high adding everts like three forty. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are guys who just hit home run.

746
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Speaker 1: Dave Kingman hit home runs, Jim Tomy hit home runs,

747
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Speaker 1: great home run hitters, Mark McGuire hit home runs. We

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Speaker 1: don't consider them great baseball players, all around baseball players.

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Speaker 1: That's why Lebron, who cares what people think. All said

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Speaker 1: and done, You're gonna be leading the league. You're gonna

751
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Speaker 1: have more points than anybody ever played the game. You're

752
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Speaker 1: gonna be up there and assist. I mean, it's just

753
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Speaker 1: unless he uses it as motivation. If that's the case,

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Speaker 1: good for him, because he's gonna need that motivation. Yeah, pulling.

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Speaker 1: The last time Lebron Little League in scoring was oh

756
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: seven or eight at thirty points per game. The other

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Speaker 1: leading scorers after Lebron Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Carmelo, Anthony A,

758
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Speaker 1: Marie Stodemeyer, Kevin Martin of Sacramento, Dirk Davitsky, Michael Read

759
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: of Milwaukee, Richard Jefferson, Chris Bosh. Yeah. See, it does

760
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Speaker 1: kind of feel like all of these things are aligning

761
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Speaker 1: where Lebron's not considered a great scorer. The Lakers kind

762
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Speaker 1: of stink right now. But he's gonna He's gonna show

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Speaker 1: how great of a scorer he is by putting the

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Speaker 1: team on his back and getting them into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like that narrative is sort of developing

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Speaker 1: right now in front of our eyes. Well, this feels

767
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Speaker 1: like a disappointing year. It's going to end up as

768
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Speaker 1: a disappointing year, but let's make it a positive. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk about my scoring. I'm going to pass

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Speaker 1: Karl Malone and I'm going to be second on the

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Speaker 1: old time list. Going into next season that it feels

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Speaker 1: like the scoring list is going to be more important.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he's not a great shooter. He is

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Speaker 1: a great score I've said that all along. Imagine if

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Speaker 1: he if he was a great shooter to go along

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Speaker 1: with that ability to score, he'd already have the record.

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Speaker 1: Derek in Indiana, Hi, Derek, what's on your mind today? Hey,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, six foot two ten. I have a quick

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Speaker 1: best and worse, and then I have a question for

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Speaker 1: you regarding coach k Best. A good friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: Logan won a local pool tournament, easily dominated a competition,

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Speaker 1: so I'm proud of him. And then worse of the

783
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Speaker 1: week got cat fished on a blind date. But let

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Speaker 1: me get to my question here. Um wait, what happened

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Speaker 1: on the on the blind egg? Um? Well, you guys

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Speaker 1: were just talking about Lebron. Um. She was bald and

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Speaker 1: somewhat built like Lebron maybe Anthony Mason rest in peace?

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Speaker 1: Um and so just real just not didn't look not

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Speaker 1: anything like you know, the pictures on a profile. But

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Speaker 1: it's okay, she showed up and so it's false advertising. Yes,

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Speaker 1: was this a guy who showed up? No, it was

792
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Speaker 1: a girl just built like Dominique Wilton's maybe, okay, all right, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then so with the question, Dan, if you were

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Speaker 1: get at double technical for now that No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to run him. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: run him unless he threw a chair, then I might

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