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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 4: I am really excited about the fact that we had
Speaker 4: a great pod this week, and I wish we could
Speaker 4: have Reverend Bryant with us just often.
Speaker 3: I mean, his intellect, his wisdom.
Speaker 4: I really hope he takes it to heart to pray
Speaker 4: for us, to keep us in our prayers, in his prayers.
Speaker 4: He's just a man who just means so much, and
Speaker 4: it was awesome to have him on, even unplanned or
Speaker 4: without much coincidence. As we talked about the death of
Speaker 4: Reverend Jesse Jackson, and one of the things that we
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about on this mini pod is thinking
Speaker 4: about Jesse Jackson in eighty four and eighty eight. One
Speaker 4: of the things that I said, you know, back when
Speaker 4: we were going through twenty twenty four and I wanted
Speaker 4: to oppose it to the group is this was an
Speaker 4: amazing time or moment for a Jesse Jackson type of candidate,
Speaker 4: and one of those candidates who had the ability to
Speaker 4: reach across cultural divides, could speak to poor folk from
Speaker 4: Appalatia all the poor folks in the projects in Chicago,
Speaker 4: and so Angela in the show one talked about the
Speaker 4: fact that you know, it's time for nation building, and
Speaker 4: also whether or not Reverend Jackson would be able to
Speaker 4: see us turn that corner. And so my question that
Speaker 4: I wanted to pose to you all in the audience
Speaker 4: who are watching, and to my friends and partners in crime,
Speaker 4: is what are we looking for as someone to carry
Speaker 4: the torch as we turn that page, as we turn
Speaker 4: the corner, hopefully from some of our darker days in
Speaker 4: this country's history. And we can talk about names, but
Speaker 4: I think this far out we probably want to just
Speaker 4: talk about characteristics, almost build a candidate, maybe mentioned some
Speaker 4: people who fall in certain categories of what we're looking like.
Speaker 4: I would love for eighty eight, not eighty four Jesse,
Speaker 4: but eighty eight Jesse to be running right now, but
Speaker 4: he ain't. So what do we what are we looking
Speaker 4: like when we're talking about candidates? Andrew Angela, I want
Speaker 4: to throw that to y'all when.
Speaker 1: We get to names. I'm gonna do that part because
Speaker 1: I'm here for the tea, Andrew, I.
Speaker 5: Want to hear.
Speaker 3: Name that easy.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm still going to share characteristics. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, since he don't want to do it, I will.
Speaker 2: I think we need a fighter. I was listening to
Speaker 2: President Obama sort of reflect on the comments, or rather
Speaker 2: the question of how he and Michelle sort of responded
Speaker 2: to the Trump meme and nape some all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. And as I listened to it, it was,
Speaker 2: you know, very it was very nice and diplomatic, and
Speaker 2: I sort of felt like, but at this moment, we
Speaker 2: kind of just need the spades called. If we see them,
Speaker 2: we call them. And to what benefit? Then I had
Speaker 2: to like ask myself, like, to what benefit is it
Speaker 2: to call the man out? And and and you know,
Speaker 2: returned the favor, you know, by basically saying what what
Speaker 2: the truth is about him? And I guess what would
Speaker 2: be different is if I on the listening side of it,
Speaker 2: as a regular, you know, run of the male person,
Speaker 2: to hear it come from someone as measured as Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: A real critique of this president might penetrate the ears
Speaker 2: of some people who get glazed over on the top
Speaker 2: it typically because they know it to be so out
Speaker 2: of fashion for for that, for for for for for
Speaker 2: President Obama. But then again, he's a man who is
Speaker 2: very controlled to come, very very well contained, and I
Speaker 2: kind of want a leader who is yes contained and appropriate,
Speaker 2: but also he during this time right now to call
Speaker 2: out what the what the what the what the problem
Speaker 2: is on its nose and talk very directly about what
Speaker 2: you're going to do to solve it. I don't want
Speaker 2: to have to negotiate your words to figure out it's,
Speaker 2: you know, like, what did you really mean? I want
Speaker 2: to know it, and I want to hear it real clearly,
Speaker 2: and I want It's sort of like we talked about
Speaker 2: the governor of California before, and I said, I really
Speaker 2: want someone who knows who has sunking into themselves. I
Speaker 2: don't want you to want some exploratory mission about what
Speaker 2: it is that you think and what you believe, because
Speaker 2: the stakes are too high right now. I need you
Speaker 2: to know what that is, and I need you to
Speaker 2: have some pretty concrete ideas of what you're going to
Speaker 2: do about that thing. I don't want, quite frankly, right now,
Speaker 2: the person who is going to come in and say
Speaker 2: I'm just here to bring all sides together, because I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what that means. I don't know what it
Speaker 2: equals for my rights, for my children's rights, for the
Speaker 2: future of this country. I think that way of thinking
Speaker 2: is still at this moment, is still it's just so
Speaker 2: pollyannish about the world that we have now come into.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going back to polite society in
Speaker 2: the way that we once knew it. I think there
Speaker 2: are going to be new norms around what polites is
Speaker 2: is and how that gets formed. I don't know how
Speaker 2: you go from a US Senate hearing with Pam Bondi
Speaker 2: on the witness end, insulting you at every turn, not
Speaker 2: answering a single question answer I asked by Democrats, and
Speaker 2: then you know, you know, becoming doctor Jekyl and Hi
Speaker 2: based off of who the questioner is and whether they
Speaker 2: are of shared party with you or not, or whether
Speaker 2: they like you salute the president enough. I don't know
Speaker 2: how we go from that today to tomorrow back to
Speaker 2: a really polite exchange. I'll let me get back to
Speaker 2: you on ma and da da da da da. You know,
Speaker 2: I just maybe I'm wrong, And if I am wrong, good,
Speaker 2: then we can go back to yesteryear if you all
Speaker 2: enjoy it yesteryear. But I just think that we're at
Speaker 2: a different time, the temperature is at a different setting.
Speaker 2: And I don't want chaos and confusion. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: I want I need predictability and stability and a lot
Speaker 2: of these places. But I also need the truth being
Speaker 2: told and in places where tables need to be turned
Speaker 2: and buildings need to be leveled and institutions need to
Speaker 2: be replaced or gotten rid of wholesale that there's going
Speaker 2: to be a leader who's prepared to say those things
Speaker 2: and is willing to say those things in the course
Speaker 2: of trying to get our vote and not, oh, we don't,
Speaker 2: don't ask for that, let us get there first, let
Speaker 2: us get there first, has not served us. I'm not
Speaker 2: going there anymore. And I've been one of those people
Speaker 2: who said, well, let us don't force them out on this.
Speaker 2: We know their heart. They got there and we didn't
Speaker 2: know their heart. Right, We got there and their heart
Speaker 2: wasn't what we thought it was, and they didn't have
Speaker 2: the stomach for it and they didn't have the spine
Speaker 2: for it. So I'm sort of just wholesale dismissal of
Speaker 2: the politics of polite in order to win. And I'm
Speaker 2: very much so for say a thing, do a thing.
Speaker 2: If you can't do it, tell me what you planned
Speaker 2: to do, and let's see how we can help you.
Speaker 4: Know, the politics are polite, Andrew, And I know, Angela,
Speaker 4: I just I didn't mean to interrupt you if you
Speaker 4: were about to jump in. But the politics are polite
Speaker 4: as something that has been tossed out the window. Charlemagne,
Speaker 4: our friend, always says that Democrats learned that the language
Speaker 4: of politics, the old language of politics, has been thrown
Speaker 4: out the windows since about twenty ten, and Democrats are
Speaker 4: just now learning that.
Speaker 3: Right. He loves to talk about that.
Speaker 4: But I will say that something that Jesse Jackson talked
Speaker 4: about when his criticism of Donald Trump was how he
Speaker 4: was profiteering from the White House, and that actually is
Speaker 4: one of the things that ranks highest amongst people's ill
Speaker 4: will towards the forty fifth and forty seventh president of
Speaker 4: the United States, this profiteering. And so what I would
Speaker 4: tell you is this, I think it's a combination of
Speaker 4: two things. One, we want to return to morals and ethics.
Speaker 4: I think people really want that return to morals and ethics.
Speaker 4: They are tired of the grifting, they're tired to reading
Speaker 4: about it. They see Twitter d and twitted Dim also
Speaker 4: known as Eric and Ronald Trump Junior profiting off of everything,
Speaker 4: and they're just sick and tired of that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: But I also think to your point, there is this
Speaker 4: theme that I'm seeing come from people like we never
Speaker 4: punished the Confederates for their treasonist behavior. Hello, those are
Speaker 4: the same people who ushered in Jim Crow, right, those
Speaker 4: are the same people who storm the capitol, and now
Speaker 4: they're the same people running the country. And so there
Speaker 4: has to be this balance between, yes, we want someone
Speaker 4: of ethics character, we want somebody who is we and
Speaker 4: you know the crazy thing about it, And Nick, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna curse. This is where I normally curse. But Nick,
Speaker 4: it reminds me about cursing earlier. Today anyway, people just
Speaker 4: don't give a good gd about what you're doing in
Speaker 4: your bedroom, or how many people you sleeping with, or
Speaker 4: what color they are, or you know, those type of
Speaker 4: things anymore. But what they do want you to do
Speaker 4: is actually carry yourself with some dignity. Stop making your
Speaker 4: subjects and verbs fight each other, Make sure that you
Speaker 4: can put together coherent sentences, represent the world with some
Speaker 4: sense of pride, have some morals and ethical ethics about yourself.
Speaker 4: Know who you are, which was the number one, and
Speaker 4: we know her, but it was the number one kind
Speaker 4: of barb at our friend Kamala Harris. You know, the
Speaker 4: people assumed she was still trying to figure it out
Speaker 4: because the people around her would never let her. Just
Speaker 4: tell you, even if it was a flub, just tell
Speaker 4: you who you are. So I think that it's a
Speaker 4: I think that you're hitting your We're kind of hitting
Speaker 4: around what that candidate looks like. And so my seguay
Speaker 4: to my seguay to Angelas. I you know, I think
Speaker 4: it's going to be a governor because I think people
Speaker 4: want to track workord of success. They don't want somebody
Speaker 4: who ain't never done nothing before and who believes their
Speaker 4: first job should be president of the United States. I
Speaker 4: see you, Stephen A. Smith, and I think that I
Speaker 4: think that probably.
Speaker 5: Even get at any era.
Speaker 4: Because I'm petty and I people. I think people that
Speaker 4: we need to listen to, or people like Jamie Pritzker.
Speaker 4: I think we need to listen to Mark Kelly. I
Speaker 4: think we need to listen to Andy Basheer. I think
Speaker 4: we need to listen to Wes Moore, I think these
Speaker 4: people have a unique story to tell, and we need
Speaker 4: to give them an opportunity to tell it.
Speaker 5: I want to start naming names to just see what
Speaker 5: you all think.
Speaker 1: I know, but I want to do it slightly different.
Speaker 1: I would love for us to consider things that these
Speaker 1: folks would need to work on to be a serious contender.
Speaker 1: And I think there are no better strategists in this
Speaker 1: way than these two amazing candidates who have a track
Speaker 1: record of winning yourselves.
Speaker 5: So let's start with Bernie Sanders. What does he need
Speaker 5: to do?
Speaker 3: Keep doing what he's doing. Yeah, not run, like.
Speaker 5: Say, retire is probably.
Speaker 1: Best, Okay? And then how about I don't know what. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing that Stacy Abrams is interested in running.
Speaker 5: What would you recommend she does.
Speaker 4: I don't want Stacy Abrams to lose another race. I
Speaker 4: feel like that would grossly diminish her voice and platform.
Speaker 4: I think she's extremely powerful. I think if you could
Speaker 4: replicate what Stacy did and Georgia throughout the South, with
Speaker 4: the funding and the subgrassroots level, we could change the South.
Speaker 4: But running for president, I don't believe is the next
Speaker 4: step in her voyage. I do believe there's somebody from
Speaker 4: Georgia who could do it. But I'm not necessarily sold.
Speaker 4: If we're gonna be honest on Stacy.
Speaker 1: Abrams, JB. Pritzker, Andrew, which is, what does JB. Pritzker
Speaker 1: need to do.
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to get healthier, He's gonna have to
Speaker 3: lose some weight.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and say it, he said, says it isn't this,
Speaker 2: it's that the only indicator of health, you know, but
Speaker 2: it is and a a pusha indicator. But you know,
Speaker 2: we have a super official society.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, people will derive things from you based off
Speaker 2: of how you present. And I think we need him
Speaker 2: healthy and kicking and strong, and and and and to
Speaker 2: the task. He's already demonstrated he's a fighter that he's
Speaker 2: prepared to go to the mat for what he believes in.
Speaker 2: I don't think he leaves a lot of room to
Speaker 2: question what he stands for and what he believes in.
Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that's important. I don't
Speaker 2: know about the billionaire thing, and there's nothing he can
Speaker 2: do about right not becoming us. He gave away all
Speaker 2: his family's wealth, which I'm sure is not happening. But
Speaker 2: you know, we just got rid of a billionaire, and
Speaker 2: unless he's sort of gonna comment from kind of the
Speaker 2: Mark Cuban sort of pedestrian like kind of demeanor. I
Speaker 2: just don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's gonna land following Trump with
Speaker 2: the Democrats, then picking up a billionaire to be the man,
Speaker 2: you know, the carrier of the mantle for for for
Speaker 2: the kind of change we need.
Speaker 3: He would have to lead with ethics.
Speaker 5: Guys, I have like eight more people.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, this is mini pot too, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Many pots.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: AOC Alexandria Cassio Cortez. There's rumors that she might be
Speaker 1: a contender spots.
Speaker 4: I've never seen AOC campaign in the South anywhere outside
Speaker 4: of major urban areas, so I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 4: And I would like to see her in you know,
Speaker 4: beauty salons and beauty parlors and Columbia and Charleston. I
Speaker 4: want to see her small business round tables in Charlotte.
Speaker 4: I want to see her in Atlanta. I want to
Speaker 4: see her in Savannah make And I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 5: So do you do you guys feel like you've seen
Speaker 5: her at all?
Speaker 4: At all.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's been kind of muted too, Like
Speaker 1: other than the big rallies with Bernie, are you feeling
Speaker 1: like you're seeing her as much.
Speaker 2: As the media does that to you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: You start out at this, you're a crave and then
Speaker 2: you're run of the mill. Right, they start prioritizing probably
Speaker 2: more of them shifting, and you.
Speaker 3: Know that's channel.
Speaker 4: That's my that's my issue with a lot of these progressives.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I think I think we need to
Speaker 4: merge some of their progressive ideals with the Southern characteristics
Speaker 4: that represent the political south. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about Andy Basheer Governor Andy bsher He just
Speaker 1: dropped a book on faith. There's some memoirs coming out.
Speaker 1: Normally the memoirs are a good indicator of people's intentions.
Speaker 1: So following him also are Josh Shapiro and Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 5: But let's hit Andy Basheer first.
Speaker 3: Love him.
Speaker 2: He's a Southern governor, you know. I think I think
Speaker 2: he'll probably be the closest example we have will be
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, just kind of his style and profile of
Speaker 2: a national race, and I think people I think I
Speaker 2: would probably put him in the polite politician category. And
Speaker 2: so what I'm going to want to see from him
Speaker 2: is what the fight in him is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a stylist, a little son. He needs to get
Speaker 4: some different suits, a little son. He's a handsome guy.
Speaker 4: We need to be able to see that. You know,
Speaker 4: I think that that John as.
Speaker 2: Full on John Edwards.
Speaker 4: Oh god, no, not full on John Edwards, but you know,
Speaker 4: not necessarily homely either. You want you want to look presidential,
Speaker 4: not like you from wherever. But you know, I think
Speaker 4: that I think that John asof is some somebody along
Speaker 4: that same type of demeanor who has the kind of
Speaker 4: Atlanta swag going for him. I want to see if
Speaker 4: Andy Bsher can kind of match that. This is very superficial.
Speaker 4: People are gonna be.
Speaker 3: Like, well, I love John, but this matters. I think
Speaker 3: two voters last time we.
Speaker 1: Checked, Yeah, it does matter. I mean people wanted to
Speaker 1: They always say, you.
Speaker 5: Want to know if you could have a beer with them.
Speaker 1: I don't drink beer, but like, can you just have
Speaker 1: a regular conversation? So okay, speaking of this, uh, let's
Speaker 1: go Josh Shapiro and then Gavin.
Speaker 4: I like Shapiro. I think you should get a chance.
Speaker 4: I like Shapiro and I like Basher, I like to
Speaker 4: share more.
Speaker 5: We already talked about Bashir, I know, but I'm just.
Speaker 4: Saying because of the track record of success, so I mean,
Speaker 4: I want to I don't know the man like you
Speaker 4: all know him, so I at least want to meet him.
Speaker 4: I don't like the fact he went after Karmala for
Speaker 4: absolutely no god no good reason whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I mean, who's think was responding?
Speaker 1: Though, yeah, he does think he's responding. And I hate
Speaker 1: it because before either of their books, they were very cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: The books, but I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know if there's no but I'm saying I don't know
Speaker 1: if something clearly something happened before it was in print.
Speaker 1: But I just I hate that because I actually wanted
Speaker 1: Josh to be Katie H's running mate.
Speaker 2: I think we said that privately as well. I think
Speaker 2: she learned in the process of evaluating him that there
Speaker 2: were some other things there, and that's what she kind
Speaker 2: of aired out in the book, and then he felt
Speaker 2: the need to respond obviously through the book. I don't
Speaker 2: think that has removed his chances. I think it does
Speaker 2: create a little bit of a Mohil that he's going
Speaker 2: to have to, you know, just mount and set some
Speaker 2: people at ease around some of that. But it's no secret.
Speaker 2: I certainly wasn't fool that he's ambitious, and I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily consider that a bad thing. Now he might am
Speaker 2: choosing his vice president, consider it not the greatest gift
Speaker 2: to have an ambitious VP, because he'll be faced with
Speaker 2: the same kind of confrontation of an issue that Kamala was,
Speaker 2: which is, if you're my veep, are you here to
Speaker 2: help me lead govern and see my initiatives salt to
Speaker 2: the finish line? Or are you here to prepare for
Speaker 2: president by you know, stabbing me in the back potentially
Speaker 2: if it serves you. And that's an important question. That's
Speaker 2: the only choice that the president themselves or the nominee
Speaker 2: gets to make for themselves. But I think he should
Speaker 2: I think he should be considered well.
Speaker 1: There was another individual that Kamala Harris talked about in
Speaker 1: her book, and it was Mayor Pete or Secretary of Pete.
Speaker 1: She was concerned about picking him because of his sexual orientation.
Speaker 1: Was mentioned in the book, What do you What would
Speaker 1: y'all say to Secretary of Pete who now is a
Speaker 1: podcaster killing it in the podcast space.
Speaker 4: By the way, I love Pete. I think Pete is
Speaker 4: probably the most talented of the entire bunch in terms
Speaker 4: of oratory, the ability to think through policy ideals, the
Speaker 4: way that he connects. The question remains, is the country
Speaker 4: going to elect a gay president of the United States?
Speaker 4: I hope we are that far. I think Pete needs
Speaker 4: to get a great look like everyone else.
Speaker 2: I think he I think the things that probably he
Speaker 2: can do to reduce an emphasis on his personal private life.
Speaker 2: It does tend to blur more the personal private when
Speaker 2: you're trying to become president, because the whole family has
Speaker 2: to be taken into consideration, and what that looks like
Speaker 2: has to be put in you know, people's the picture,
Speaker 2: the picture frame of their mind that I can see
Speaker 2: this and embrace this as the representative image of my
Speaker 2: country and who who I am, and so people will
Speaker 2: have to come in terms of that. But I do
Speaker 2: think there's a way for the emphasis on it to be,
Speaker 2: you know, to be to be made lessoned. The I
Speaker 2: don't know all about unfortunately, what is what his checklist
Speaker 2: of winds was as Secretary of Transportation. But I do know,
Speaker 2: you know, prior to that, his last publicly held position
Speaker 2: was as a mayor, and there are many of us
Speaker 2: in the municipal space had our set of critiques about
Speaker 2: you know, his service and that capacity. Like I said,
Speaker 2: Secretary of Transportation, I thought that he was good at
Speaker 2: holding the airliners accountable. You know, we got a lot
Speaker 2: of the graces that we have today and a lot
Speaker 2: of the justice in the system around you know, giving
Speaker 2: us our money back when you don't fly this plane.
Speaker 2: And if I got a change with delays, don't charge
Speaker 2: me two hundred dollars to make that change it, you know.
Speaker 2: So I appreciated that, and there was a real consumer focus.
Speaker 2: I hope that if he runs that he's able to
Speaker 2: can ten. You decided to bring that very pedestrian lens
Speaker 2: to the office, Like what what is keeping me up
Speaker 2: at night? What bothers me? What vexes me that I
Speaker 2: may not give voice to, but every time it happens,
Speaker 2: I'm pissed off? Well for me, that's that's that's that's
Speaker 2: that's like hit me over the head for everything you
Speaker 2: charged me for the water and the cookies and the
Speaker 2: seat and the middle seat Andrews show.
Speaker 5: Because Andrew then went on.
Speaker 1: I know what.
Speaker 5: Candidates.
Speaker 1: He's in tune with your high costant cookies on the
Speaker 1: plane all right now. The next one is speaking of pedestrian.
Speaker 1: He's become a lot more approachable recently. When the Trump
Speaker 1: administration tried to come after his credentials in the military
Speaker 1: after just simply doing a video saying you should not
Speaker 1: follow unlawful orders. They tried to get him charged that
Speaker 1: they weren't successful. No weapon for it against Mark Kelly
Speaker 1: did prosper But would he win in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 1: What would he need to do?
Speaker 5: Y'all?
Speaker 4: I think he's a great candidate. He was on the
Speaker 4: short list one of the final three before to be
Speaker 4: vice president. It was Pete Footage, the final four Peae Bootage,
Speaker 4: Jos Shapiro, Tim Walls, and Mark Kelly.
Speaker 5: Tim Walls was on there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I can see it too. Please tell
Speaker 3: me kind of see no kind of.
Speaker 5: Because he's not on this list and I'm asking you.
Speaker 3: Do no harm type deal, get no vote, That's exactly.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he went my choice. I like Mark Kelly
Speaker 3: out of all of them.
Speaker 4: I think his back Mary was your choice, Okay. I
Speaker 4: told him that anybody who would listen I told him that.
Speaker 2: Marking more now, but as he's through the fire, because
Speaker 2: I think you do get for him through the fire
Speaker 2: and his now that he has been under attack, I
Speaker 2: think his spine is stiffened and he's filling out a
Speaker 2: little bit more. You know, you get a suit and
Speaker 2: you just can fill it out. He's filling out his
Speaker 2: He's filling it out a little bit more. And I'm
Speaker 2: liking him standing more past Like yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, I hear that a g I agree with
Speaker 1: you on that. Okay, what about let me ask y'all
Speaker 1: a long shot one? And she said herself is a
Speaker 1: long shot one. Y'all know where I'm going.
Speaker 5: No, when we go, when they.
Speaker 4: Go, well alone, way.
Speaker 5: Talk about it.
Speaker 4: People love her, everybody would vote for But I even
Speaker 4: want her to go through it. I mean, they served
Speaker 4: our country, Like, let's let them. Like, I don't want
Speaker 4: to say rest in peace, but let her rest. Jesus
Speaker 4: got to pull her out there doing this.
Speaker 1: With these if let's say that, if she was going
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, it's on me to save democracy,
Speaker 1: y'all think this moment, Okay.
Speaker 3: I think she is.
Speaker 2: I think she has much more shaped for this moment
Speaker 2: than than probably any of the names that we've discussed
Speaker 2: up to this point. And she's never been a policymaker.
Speaker 2: I just think the clarity of her mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the brilliance.
Speaker 2: The oh, the oh.
Speaker 1: Nick told me to tell everybody they don't know who
Speaker 1: when when they go low, we go high.
Speaker 5: As we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Former First Lady Forever First.
Speaker 5: Michelle Obama Robinson Obama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like the more Robinson in her as right,
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 4: South Side, But but the Obama cannot be discounted because
Speaker 4: of the fact that for eight years, when you were
Speaker 4: somebody's wife watching them do the job, you actually gain
Speaker 4: a whole lot of experience from that. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that she was making she was doing a job, She
Speaker 4: was doing the whole yet just watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't just watching.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, so she has more experience than
Speaker 4: people because people are gonna be like but I can
Speaker 4: already see how people's mindset. They'll be like, Maka, you
Speaker 4: just said five minutes ago that your first job shouldn't
Speaker 4: be president of the United States, and when I'm trying
Speaker 4: to one.
Speaker 5: Before she was a partner in a law firm.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but me an.
Speaker 5: When we all vote, she still got when we all vote.
Speaker 3: Now, I hear you.
Speaker 1: She's so good that Milania Trump had to copy her
Speaker 1: speech and was like when I was growing up in
Speaker 1: the South side of Chicago. All right, so what about
Speaker 1: let's go to Gavin.
Speaker 3: I don't like him.
Speaker 4: I just think that Gavin Gavin is a fighter, but
Speaker 4: Gavin Gavin has to be able. Let me not say
Speaker 4: I don't like him. I think Gavin has a hard
Speaker 4: time displaying the humility. I think that there is a
Speaker 4: line between the fighter that we want and the humility
Speaker 4: we need.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you guys one question that has really
Speaker 1: been bothering me. I don't particularly care for Gavin either,
Speaker 1: based on what I've learned about him trying to get
Speaker 1: an open convention to undo what would have been, you know,
Speaker 1: Kamala's nomination after being on the ticket with Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: So I don't care for him for that.
Speaker 1: I would still love for him to come on our
Speaker 1: show and talk to us about what sets him apart.
Speaker 5: But I.
Speaker 1: I just take issue with some of the things that
Speaker 1: he's done. And anyway, this is my biggest question. Does
Speaker 1: it bother y'all at all that him and Donald Trump
Speaker 1: Junior could like the same woman.
Speaker 2: Well, she was a totally different woman then.
Speaker 3: Woman. Yeah, I mean this.
Speaker 5: Is this is she looked ideals the same.
Speaker 3: This was three or four surgeries ago.
Speaker 4: I mean, people, you get a woman, a woman get
Speaker 4: a b BL she get a new I mean.
Speaker 5: Your mouth.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying no, seriously, y'all have never wondered, like,
Speaker 1: how could they actually like the same woman, because.
Speaker 2: I think, guys, could I mean, I think, just yeah.
Speaker 1: Completely different political different is the political body.
Speaker 2: But first of all, she didn't have a different political ideology.
Speaker 2: Then she was a liberal. Yeah she probably does this,
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, but but she's an opportunityst more than anything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't, I'm not. There are a lot of
Speaker 6: reasons that judge Gavin One. Okay, I don't not like him.
Speaker 6: I want to know more about it.
Speaker 5: I don't like him.
Speaker 2: No, I don't not because I feel like it's I
Speaker 2: certainly can't say I love him or like him for
Speaker 2: this this thing. I like him a lot more thanks
Speaker 2: to the fight that he has mounted. I agree with
Speaker 2: that against Donald Trump. I also I like the personal
Speaker 2: part of his story about him having grown up this
Speaker 2: dyslexic and having first been part of a family where yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, this man rewrites the way he commits his
Speaker 2: his his his information to memory, his speeches, he writes
Speaker 2: them numerous times over and over and over again. He
Speaker 2: reads articles and traces letters and underlines newspaper articles as
Speaker 2: he reads. Is a discipline to him that I really respect.
Speaker 2: The poverty story that he grew up in with a
Speaker 2: father who you know, had money and resource when he
Speaker 2: was married to his mother and then decid to you know,
Speaker 2: to to to to to you know, this way working,
Speaker 2: you know, and his Gavin's mother and his father got
Speaker 2: a divorce, and so his father lives hiss greatest life
Speaker 2: with his new family and they are literally in poverty,
Speaker 2: and his mother having to figure that out and keep
Speaker 2: it together for both he and his sister, you know,
Speaker 2: as they grow up. I want more of his personal
Speaker 2: It created a beast in him, a fighting, a grit
Speaker 2: in him, and also a little bit of a chip
Speaker 2: on his shoulder that I think is very can be explained,
Speaker 2: can better explain why he does walk into a space
Speaker 2: with so much cubrius, if you will, and that the
Speaker 2: humility doesn't seem to be at appropriate portion, but in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, understanding more about his own personal story.
Speaker 2: I get to see that, oh, this man was wearing
Speaker 2: the mask and in a lot of ways he had
Speaker 2: to He had to dress the part before he was
Speaker 2: ever going to be the part. And I get that
Speaker 2: to stand that and if if he could unvelop more
Speaker 2: of his what has made him himself, rather than this
Speaker 2: podcast where he is attempting to reinvent himself before our
Speaker 2: very eyes, I think that doesn't serve him well. I
Speaker 2: think he would be better served by deepening into his
Speaker 2: own personal story, getting some you know some how do
Speaker 2: you call that helping himself to meet himself? And I
Speaker 2: think that will bring just a different level of I
Speaker 2: think it takes him to the stratosphere.
Speaker 5: Okay, we got two more. Can y'all guess who they are?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, no problem? Governor, first black governor if Maryland Wes Moore.
Speaker 4: I want to see authenticity. I want to see him
Speaker 4: be him, which we all know. And I don't want
Speaker 4: anyone to try to make him be BARACKU Saint Obama.
Speaker 1: Yes, including barackos Saint Obama. Please stop, mister Obama. He
Speaker 1: is Wes Moore. Carry on, go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I just think he yes, he's got to
Speaker 2: deepen into to him and be very clear about the
Speaker 2: things he stands for and what he stands against. It
Speaker 2: is quite easy right now for the shield for our
Speaker 2: Democrats to basically say I'm for democracy, I'm against lawlessness.
Speaker 2: And I think folks got to wear masks because to me,
Speaker 2: that's boilerplate. That's that's default, that's the default position. Now
Speaker 2: we got to go beyond that. What do you believe?
Speaker 2: What do you think, what motivates that belief? What kind
Speaker 2: of lived experience bought you there? And and why do
Speaker 2: I believe you will be uncompromising in that position versus
Speaker 2: you know, everything's up for negotiation. And I don't know
Speaker 2: that that is. But I do think that what he's
Speaker 2: going to have to contend with is the impression that
Speaker 2: many may have of him, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of that has to do with this just his newness
Speaker 2: and to public office.
Speaker 5: I like that, I like that he is a happy warrior.
Speaker 1: I love his relationship with Don I think that he
Speaker 1: has done a lot of good in like just giving
Speaker 1: us joy in this political space right now. But I
Speaker 1: agree that I want to see him be more authentic
Speaker 1: and be like, if he's going to battle Trump, I
Speaker 1: want him to do it his way and not on
Speaker 1: somebody else's terms.
Speaker 2: And battle the Republicans post Trump, who we're going to
Speaker 2: have to square up and square off with over over
Speaker 2: how we get reconciliation and how we get accountability for
Speaker 2: these Last.
Speaker 4: For none of these people and Wes morenor Gavin Newsom
Speaker 4: have to try to be Donald Trump White. I don't
Speaker 4: think people are itching for that.
Speaker 2: No, they just want to know when you're fighting, you're
Speaker 2: fighting for them.
Speaker 1: Enough for herself, Okay, well, Last is certainly loudly. She
Speaker 1: did it all in one hundred and seven days. Kamala
Speaker 1: Devi Harris, What does she need to do?
Speaker 5: What do we think?
Speaker 1: She hasn't said she's running again, But if she was
Speaker 1: going to run again, what do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 4: I think if the election was to run, she wins.
Speaker 2: That's what the Poles say, and that's a result of
Speaker 2: that's a result of the name ID and in the
Speaker 2: fact more people know who she is. There is something
Speaker 2: that has to be contended with. And I don't even
Speaker 2: have the best advice around how to I think get
Speaker 2: to it. But there are people who I know and
Speaker 2: that I respect. And who are black who are still
Speaker 2: saying I don't know, I don't know who she is,
Speaker 2: what she believes, and I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2: And I think it was easy for us to dismiss
Speaker 2: that during the race and basically a little bit of
Speaker 2: a tinge of racism underneath and maybe attend to sexism underneath,
Speaker 2: and maybe this is the way to otherise and sort
Speaker 2: of make the other thing look suspicious. And I get that,
Speaker 2: and I said a lot of that because that's what
Speaker 2: I thought at the time, and I think the recurrence
Speaker 2: of that, I mean, when you hear it from loved
Speaker 2: ones who are not the political analysts, they don't look
Speaker 2: at it that way. They just have a gut thing,
Speaker 2: and their gut thing says to them this. Then I
Speaker 2: have to stop dismissing. I have to be like, okay,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what how can we help to unvelop that.
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest barrier. It isn't whether she
Speaker 2: can debate whether she has a belief, you know, whether
Speaker 2: she's going to fight for what it is that she
Speaker 2: believes in. There is this there's a hole, there's a
Speaker 2: big wall, and it's not being said maybe by all
Speaker 2: the people, but a lot of people are feeling it
Speaker 2: in their gut, and so if their gut is something
Speaker 2: that they can't get past the gut, they can't get
Speaker 2: past that. And I don't know that you should if
Speaker 2: you feel if your spidy senses are saying, I don't
Speaker 2: know what this object is.
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, I sucks.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say.
Speaker 4: No. I mean it's she just has one question she
Speaker 4: has to answer, which is and it's a big question,
Speaker 4: and I think she has to be free to answer,
Speaker 4: which is, who are you?
Speaker 3: Tell us who you are?
Speaker 2: And you know the questions because I don't know why,
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody else.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do say, I guess, like why is her
Speaker 1: not being alimated county prosecutor the state's attorney general.
Speaker 2: That's a resume.
Speaker 5: I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But the reason why she occupied those roses because of
Speaker 1: who she is and her values, and she's articulated her
Speaker 1: values not once, but in two different books.
Speaker 5: I think there's a third one.
Speaker 4: I don't think that you can.
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 5: What how how do you.
Speaker 2: Just saying I don't think I can give the advice
Speaker 2: on this because it feels so feels it's abstract, but
Speaker 2: it also there's something scuffy about telling somebody. How you
Speaker 2: tell people who you are, you gotta do it. You
Speaker 2: do it because people you haven't affect and you haven't.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I was watching.
Speaker 2: Leaves a lot to be desired by people who have
Speaker 2: watched her on television and even come into contact with
Speaker 2: her in person.
Speaker 4: Rosie Perez at this I think it was Rosie Perez
Speaker 4: at the same thing week and she was a big
Speaker 4: supporter and she said, I still don't know what she
Speaker 4: stands for and when, And to Andrew's point, like I
Speaker 4: feel like I know it. I feel like Angela just
Speaker 4: articulated she knows it. Andrew knows it. But if enough
Speaker 4: people are saying the same thing, there are a couple
Speaker 4: of things that are happening. One, it's being just continuously
Speaker 4: pummeled in our head throughout narrative, out the narrative, at
Speaker 4: the narrative, and it's taking home. But two, it also
Speaker 4: may be a question that needs to be answered. And
Speaker 4: I think I.
Speaker 1: Think, I think that she can show up guarded. We
Speaker 1: have had this conversation just candidly. She she shows up
Speaker 1: guarded in some ways.
Speaker 5: But it is how do you not show up, Guarden?
Speaker 1: When people come at you about somebody you dated twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, you know, it's like you're on a little
Speaker 1: bit of edge, like and they would never.
Speaker 5: Do that to a male candidate.
Speaker 2: So I think when she trades up the happiest in
Speaker 2: the room, you wonder why she is the happiest.
Speaker 1: Why And then that's the other thing, like why did
Speaker 1: that guys e say about how she laughs?
Speaker 2: It's not just it's not because And I want to
Speaker 2: be where you are because I was doing the election,
Speaker 2: which is these are things you are expecting of a woman,
Speaker 2: but you'd never expect. But then I have to ask myself, no,
Speaker 2: I actually make some reflections about this about certain I'm like,
Speaker 2: I like Bill Clinton because I feel like he understands
Speaker 2: how I grew up. And part of that was him
Speaker 2: unraveling and sharing his story, you know, coming from a
Speaker 2: single family, you know, a single parent household and abject
Speaker 2: poverty as well in Arkansas, and you know, there there
Speaker 2: were there were elements of the story that I really
Speaker 2: felt like I could connect with, and not just that.
Speaker 2: It then explained to me how he's on our senial
Speaker 2: hall playing the Sacks.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing with Jesse Jackan Jesse. Jesse's story.
Speaker 4: As we talked about he began to articulate the fact
Speaker 4: that he was raised by a sixteen year old unweed
Speaker 4: mother and his father grew up next to him and
Speaker 4: how that spurred him out and you know, his missteps
Speaker 4: and this that and the third I think that there
Speaker 4: are I mean, there are questions that people ask that
Speaker 4: people don't know the answer to, like talk about the
Speaker 4: relationship with you and your sister and how great that
Speaker 4: is and why that is the way that it is,
Speaker 4: and you know your upbringing with your mother that you
Speaker 4: that you do. But then the question is asked, all right,
Speaker 4: well tell me about your father, right, and then there
Speaker 4: is a guard this placed up.
Speaker 3: Nobody that's true, nobody.
Speaker 4: Can answer the question. And then it's like men, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then black men are like, all right.
Speaker 3: So explain that to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4: And then you're like, and it's just a question. It's
Speaker 4: not a condemnation, and it's doesn't come from a bad
Speaker 4: place from a lot of people. It just comes out
Speaker 4: of a level of curiosity, which then breeds distrust. And
Speaker 4: then it's like you talk about the cycle of people
Speaker 4: you dated. I know that you nobody should be asked
Speaker 4: the question.
Speaker 3: But tell it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know a lot. The one of the
Speaker 4: best parts about this show is that we really don't
Speaker 4: have secrets.
Speaker 3: From people, Like we come on and people are just
Speaker 3: like even.
Speaker 5: Our business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so.
Speaker 1: Anyway, point, I just I just I just want people.
Speaker 1: I do want people to see the side of her
Speaker 1: that we've all gotten to seek privately.
Speaker 5: And I do think that there are moments for that.
Speaker 1: But I also think, don't compare a black woman from
Speaker 1: from California to a white Southerner or even a black
Speaker 1: Southerner a man, like they're different. You know, we're built different.
Speaker 1: Tupac is her favorite rapper, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: so there there is So that's.
Speaker 2: A that's a challenging of itself that you got the
Speaker 2: largest concentration of black women are in the South, and
Speaker 2: you're now looking at a woman who does not share that.
Speaker 1: And they were all supporters because they except that they
Speaker 1: accepted her.
Speaker 5: Hask from Howard how she.
Speaker 2: Was they were, But that doesn't translate across the entirety
Speaker 2: of the community.
Speaker 3: But can we just wait, I think.
Speaker 2: The other way a lot of black women who were
Speaker 2: fidell to the fact that she was a black woman
Speaker 2: running who's still to who? Who still say I don't
Speaker 2: know who she is?
Speaker 5: But I guess all I'm saying is what, like, what
Speaker 5: else do you need to get to know from her?
Speaker 5: Do you need to know her favorite color?
Speaker 3: Angela?
Speaker 4: One of the things that that you know, and I
Speaker 4: think we have to articulate, is that we are walking
Speaker 4: into this and it hasn't been said yet.
Speaker 3: We know it's.
Speaker 4: Unfair, and yes, that's what I'm Yes, we know it's unfair.
Speaker 4: We know it's unfair. But the question that you asked
Speaker 4: from the very beginning is how does she become president
Speaker 4: of the United States? And we know that she has
Speaker 4: unfair obstacles she has to overcome, and if we want
Speaker 4: her to be successful, the question we can't just say
Speaker 4: she ain't got it. We got to say, look this,
Speaker 4: you got to go out here and tak unfair and
Speaker 4: so the person so the person coming behind you don't
Speaker 4: have to go through the same shit you.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm being unfair about Pritsker when I say he's
Speaker 2: I don't know what's the billionaire thing. These are things
Speaker 2: that were handed that's true. Came into that right, but
Speaker 2: it's still going to be a liability. It's hard to
Speaker 2: say that being a billionaire is a liability. I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: But in the United States, as the standard bear for
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, there's some there are some questions you're
Speaker 2: going to be asked, some thresholds you will have to
Speaker 2: cross before we can consider you.
Speaker 4: All right, I got some chicken legs and I'm baking
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 5: Get that you ain't baking on chicken legs.
Speaker 1: But speaking of chicken legs, i'mnna let y'all's chicken legs go.
Speaker 5: We are gone. And as coming from Turkey legs over here,
Speaker 5: I have big legs. They don't belong on my body.
Speaker 5: But it is what It is. Also not fair, speaking
Speaker 5: of things that are not fair.
Speaker 1: So we have a lot of criteria that will continue
Speaker 1: to wrestle with as we get closer to the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight election.
Speaker 5: This for me was very insightful.
Speaker 1: I actually really appreciate this podcast with two of my
Speaker 1: favorite strategists Andrew Gillman Bacari Sellers. This has been a
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