WEBVTT - 2028 Candidate Lineup | MiniPod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.280 Native lampod is a production of Iurheart Radio in partnership 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:04.720 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.120 Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.120 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.200 I am really excited about the fact that we had 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.000 a great pod this week, and I wish we could 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.120 have Reverend Bryant with us just often. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.520 I mean, his intellect, his wisdom. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.560 I really hope he takes it to heart to pray 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:22.959 for us, to keep us in our prayers, in his prayers. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.119 He's just a man who just means so much, and 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.560 it was awesome to have him on, even unplanned or 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.600 without much coincidence. As we talked about the death of 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.960 Reverend Jesse Jackson, and one of the things that we 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.000 wanted to talk about on this mini pod is thinking 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.199 about Jesse Jackson in eighty four and eighty eight. One 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.640 of the things that I said, you know, back when 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.520 we were going through twenty twenty four and I wanted 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.080 to oppose it to the group is this was an 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.280 amazing time or moment for a Jesse Jackson type of candidate, 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.000 and one of those candidates who had the ability to 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.280 reach across cultural divides, could speak to poor folk from 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.320 Appalatia all the poor folks in the projects in Chicago, 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.120 and so Angela in the show one talked about the 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.679 fact that you know, it's time for nation building, and 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.080 also whether or not Reverend Jackson would be able to 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.560 see us turn that corner. And so my question that 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.800 I wanted to pose to you all in the audience 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.279 who are watching, and to my friends and partners in crime, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.400 is what are we looking for as someone to carry 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:29.120 the torch as we turn that page, as we turn 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.480 the corner, hopefully from some of our darker days in 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.920 this country's history. And we can talk about names, but 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.560 I think this far out we probably want to just 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.800 talk about characteristics, almost build a candidate, maybe mentioned some 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.520 people who fall in certain categories of what we're looking like. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.440 I would love for eighty eight, not eighty four Jesse, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.320 but eighty eight Jesse to be running right now, but 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.320 he ain't. So what do we what are we looking 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.680 like when we're talking about candidates? Andrew Angela, I want 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.360 to throw that to y'all when. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.040 We get to names. I'm gonna do that part because 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.480 I'm here for the tea, Andrew, I. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:01.640 Want to hear. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.400 Name that easy. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.760 No, No, I'm still going to share characteristics. But I'm 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.399 just saying, since he don't want to do it, I will. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:19.520 I think we need a fighter. I was listening to 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.640 President Obama sort of reflect on the comments, or rather 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.240 the question of how he and Michelle sort of responded 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.160 to the Trump meme and nape some all that kind 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.240 of stuff. And as I listened to it, it was, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.440 you know, very it was very nice and diplomatic, and 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.640 I sort of felt like, but at this moment, we 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.119 kind of just need the spades called. If we see them, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.760 we call them. And to what benefit? Then I had 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.960 to like ask myself, like, to what benefit is it 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.080 to call the man out? And and and you know, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.040 returned the favor, you know, by basically saying what what 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.440 the truth is about him? And I guess what would 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.720 be different is if I on the listening side of it, 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.320 as a regular, you know, run of the male person, 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.440 to hear it come from someone as measured as Barack Obama. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.440 A real critique of this president might penetrate the ears 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.720 of some people who get glazed over on the top 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.399 it typically because they know it to be so out 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.919 of fashion for for that, for for for for for 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.720 President Obama. But then again, he's a man who is 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:34.960 very controlled to come, very very well contained, and I 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.680 kind of want a leader who is yes contained and appropriate, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.880 but also he during this time right now to call 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.520 out what the what the what the what the problem 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.600 is on its nose and talk very directly about what 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.480 you're going to do to solve it. I don't want 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.080 to have to negotiate your words to figure out it's, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.000 you know, like, what did you really mean? I want 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.960 to know it, and I want to hear it real clearly, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.240 and I want It's sort of like we talked about 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.320 the governor of California before, and I said, I really 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.600 want someone who knows who has sunking into themselves. I 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.720 don't want you to want some exploratory mission about what 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.280 it is that you think and what you believe, because 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.680 the stakes are too high right now. I need you 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.320 to know what that is, and I need you to 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.480 have some pretty concrete ideas of what you're going to 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:28.320 do about that thing. I don't want, quite frankly, right now, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.080 the person who is going to come in and say 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.600 I'm just here to bring all sides together, because I'm 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.520 not sure what that means. I don't know what it 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.600 equals for my rights, for my children's rights, for the 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:44.400 future of this country. I think that way of thinking 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.479 is still at this moment, is still it's just so 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.960 pollyannish about the world that we have now come into. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.560 I don't think we're going back to polite society in 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.840 the way that we once knew it. I think there 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.520 are going to be new norms around what polites is 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.960 is and how that gets formed. I don't know how 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:09.599 you go from a US Senate hearing with Pam Bondi 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.880 on the witness end, insulting you at every turn, not 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.920 answering a single question answer I asked by Democrats, and 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:22.200 then you know, you know, becoming doctor Jekyl and Hi 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.080 based off of who the questioner is and whether they 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.039 are of shared party with you or not, or whether 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.320 they like you salute the president enough. I don't know 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:37.560 how we go from that today to tomorrow back to 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.039 a really polite exchange. I'll let me get back to 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.520 you on ma and da da da da da. You know, 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.159 I just maybe I'm wrong, And if I am wrong, good, 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.920 then we can go back to yesteryear if you all 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.520 enjoy it yesteryear. But I just think that we're at 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.200 a different time, the temperature is at a different setting. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.960 And I don't want chaos and confusion. Don't get me wrong. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.400 I want I need predictability and stability and a lot 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.720 of these places. But I also need the truth being 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.440 told and in places where tables need to be turned 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.599 and buildings need to be leveled and institutions need to 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:17.120 be replaced or gotten rid of wholesale that there's going 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.200 to be a leader who's prepared to say those things 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.400 and is willing to say those things in the course 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.479 of trying to get our vote and not, oh, we don't, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.960 don't ask for that, let us get there first, let 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.440 us get there first, has not served us. I'm not 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.680 going there anymore. And I've been one of those people 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.400 who said, well, let us don't force them out on this. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.120 We know their heart. They got there and we didn't 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.240 know their heart. Right, We got there and their heart 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.320 wasn't what we thought it was, and they didn't have 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.520 the stomach for it and they didn't have the spine 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:50.040 for it. So I'm sort of just wholesale dismissal of 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.120 the politics of polite in order to win. And I'm 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.240 very much so for say a thing, do a thing. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.640 If you can't do it, tell me what you planned 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.440 to do, and let's see how we can help you. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.440 Know, the politics are polite, Andrew, And I know, Angela, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.159 I just I didn't mean to interrupt you if you 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.839 were about to jump in. But the politics are polite 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.000 as something that has been tossed out the window. Charlemagne, 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:16.360 our friend, always says that Democrats learned that the language 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.160 of politics, the old language of politics, has been thrown 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.200 out the windows since about twenty ten, and Democrats are 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.040 just now learning that. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.960 Right. He loves to talk about that. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.280 But I will say that something that Jesse Jackson talked 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.520 about when his criticism of Donald Trump was how he 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.200 was profiteering from the White House, and that actually is 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.480 one of the things that ranks highest amongst people's ill 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.120 will towards the forty fifth and forty seventh president of 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.800 the United States, this profiteering. And so what I would 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.800 tell you is this, I think it's a combination of 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.680 two things. One, we want to return to morals and ethics. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.880 I think people really want that return to morals and ethics. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.280 They are tired of the grifting, they're tired to reading 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.120 about it. They see Twitter d and twitted Dim also 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.640 known as Eric and Ronald Trump Junior profiting off of everything, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.080 and they're just sick and tired of that. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:04.440 Right. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.280 But I also think to your point, there is this 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.720 theme that I'm seeing come from people like we never 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:16.000 punished the Confederates for their treasonist behavior. Hello, those are 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.560 the same people who ushered in Jim Crow, right, those 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.720 are the same people who storm the capitol, and now 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.440 they're the same people running the country. And so there 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:31.600 has to be this balance between, yes, we want someone 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.520 of ethics character, we want somebody who is we and 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.120 you know the crazy thing about it, And Nick, I'm 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.040 not gonna curse. This is where I normally curse. But Nick, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.840 it reminds me about cursing earlier. Today anyway, people just 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:50.600 don't give a good gd about what you're doing in 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.000 your bedroom, or how many people you sleeping with, or 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.680 what color they are, or you know, those type of 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.240 things anymore. But what they do want you to do 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.600 is actually carry yourself with some dignity. Stop making your 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.640 subjects and verbs fight each other, Make sure that you 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.120 can put together coherent sentences, represent the world with some 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.960 sense of pride, have some morals and ethical ethics about yourself. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.199 Know who you are, which was the number one, and 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.640 we know her, but it was the number one kind 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.120 of barb at our friend Kamala Harris. You know, the 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.160 people assumed she was still trying to figure it out 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.280 because the people around her would never let her. Just 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.880 tell you, even if it was a flub, just tell 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.559 you who you are. So I think that it's a 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.680 I think that you're hitting your We're kind of hitting 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.400 around what that candidate looks like. And so my seguay 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.920 to my seguay to Angelas. I you know, I think 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.920 it's going to be a governor because I think people 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.800 want to track workord of success. They don't want somebody 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.439 who ain't never done nothing before and who believes their 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.040 first job should be president of the United States. I 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.160 see you, Stephen A. Smith, and I think that I 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.200 think that probably. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.840 Even get at any era. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.480 Because I'm petty and I people. I think people that 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.000 we need to listen to, or people like Jamie Pritzker. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.240 I think we need to listen to Mark Kelly. I 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.240 think we need to listen to Andy Basheer. I think 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.480 we need to listen to Wes Moore, I think these 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.559 people have a unique story to tell, and we need 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.240 to give them an opportunity to tell it. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.280 I want to start naming names to just see what 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:19.800 you all think. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.360 I know, but I want to do it slightly different. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.680 I would love for us to consider things that these 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.480 folks would need to work on to be a serious contender. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.120 And I think there are no better strategists in this 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.160 way than these two amazing candidates who have a track 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.760 record of winning yourselves. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.920 So let's start with Bernie Sanders. What does he need 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:49.240 to do? 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.880 Keep doing what he's doing. Yeah, not run, like. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.000 Say, retire is probably. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:01.160 Best, Okay? And then how about I don't know what. Oh, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.120 I'm hearing that Stacy Abrams is interested in running. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.400 What would you recommend she does. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.080 I don't want Stacy Abrams to lose another race. I 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.200 feel like that would grossly diminish her voice and platform. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.280 I think she's extremely powerful. I think if you could 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.720 replicate what Stacy did and Georgia throughout the South, with 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.079 the funding and the subgrassroots level, we could change the South. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:26.199 But running for president, I don't believe is the next 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.200 step in her voyage. I do believe there's somebody from 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.720 Georgia who could do it. But I'm not necessarily sold. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.280 If we're gonna be honest on Stacy. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:37.480 Abrams, JB. Pritzker, Andrew, which is, what does JB. Pritzker 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:38.079 need to do. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.559 He's gonna have to get healthier, He's gonna have to 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:44.160 lose some weight. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:50.040 Go ahead and say it, he said, says it isn't this, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.960 it's that the only indicator of health, you know, but 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.480 it is and a a pusha indicator. But you know, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:00.920 we have a super official society. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:01.400 Uh. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.000 You know, people will derive things from you based off 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.000 of how you present. And I think we need him 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.000 healthy and kicking and strong, and and and and to 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.520 the task. He's already demonstrated he's a fighter that he's 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.439 prepared to go to the mat for what he believes in. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.520 I don't think he leaves a lot of room to 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.040 question what he stands for and what he believes in. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.959 And I think that's I think that's important. I don't 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.679 know about the billionaire thing, and there's nothing he can 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.240 do about right not becoming us. He gave away all 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:34.120 his family's wealth, which I'm sure is not happening. But 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.560 you know, we just got rid of a billionaire, and 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.400 unless he's sort of gonna comment from kind of the 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:47.000 Mark Cuban sort of pedestrian like kind of demeanor. I 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.959 just don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.160 I don't know how that's gonna land following Trump with 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.320 the Democrats, then picking up a billionaire to be the man, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.600 you know, the carrier of the mantle for for for 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:58.800 the kind of change we need. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.520 He would have to lead with ethics. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.760 Guys, I have like eight more people. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.880 Okay, Okay, this is mini pot too, so yeah. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.360 Many pots. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:08.720 Okay. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.920 AOC Alexandria Cassio Cortez. There's rumors that she might be 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.960 a contender spots. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:20.840 I've never seen AOC campaign in the South anywhere outside 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.800 of major urban areas, so I don't, I don't know. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.200 And I would like to see her in you know, 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.600 beauty salons and beauty parlors and Columbia and Charleston. I 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.079 want to see her small business round tables in Charlotte. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.719 I want to see her in Atlanta. I want to 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.959 see her in Savannah make And I just haven't seen it. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.040 So do you do you guys feel like you've seen 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:43.480 her at all? 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:43.760 At all. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.600 I feel like she's been kind of muted too, Like 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.280 other than the big rallies with Bernie, are you feeling 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.520 like you're seeing her as much. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:52.520 As the media does that to you? 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:52.760 Right? 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.360 You start out at this, you're a crave and then 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.960 you're run of the mill. Right, they start prioritizing probably 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.600 more of them shifting, and you. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:04.200 Know that's channel. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.640 That's my that's my issue with a lot of these progressives. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.160 I mean, like, I think I think we need to 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.040 merge some of their progressive ideals with the Southern characteristics 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.240 that represent the political south. Mm hmm. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.480 Okay, what about Andy Basheer Governor Andy bsher He just 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.280 dropped a book on faith. There's some memoirs coming out. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.560 Normally the memoirs are a good indicator of people's intentions. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:29.320 So following him also are Josh Shapiro and Gavin Newsom. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:30.840 But let's hit Andy Basheer first. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.360 Love him. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.160 He's a Southern governor, you know. I think I think 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.480 he'll probably be the closest example we have will be 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.520 Bill Clinton, just kind of his style and profile of 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.200 a national race, and I think people I think I 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:53.040 would probably put him in the polite politician category. And 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.880 so what I'm going to want to see from him 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.200 is what the fight in him is. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.840 Yeah, a stylist, a little son. He needs to get 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.680 some different suits, a little son. He's a handsome guy. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.520 We need to be able to see that. You know, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.520 I think that that John as. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:08.840 Full on John Edwards. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.360 Oh god, no, not full on John Edwards, but you know, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.120 not necessarily homely either. You want you want to look presidential, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.480 not like you from wherever. But you know, I think 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.360 that I think that John asof is some somebody along 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.600 that same type of demeanor who has the kind of 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.800 Atlanta swag going for him. I want to see if 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.479 Andy Bsher can kind of match that. This is very superficial. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:32.120 People are gonna be. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.920 Like, well, I love John, but this matters. I think 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.920 two voters last time we. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.080 Checked, Yeah, it does matter. I mean people wanted to 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:41.320 They always say, you. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:42.920 Want to know if you could have a beer with them. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.160 I don't drink beer, but like, can you just have 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.680 a regular conversation? So okay, speaking of this, uh, let's 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.360 go Josh Shapiro and then Gavin. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.800 I like Shapiro. I think you should get a chance. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.000 I like Shapiro and I like Basher, I like to 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:57.560 share more. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.560 We already talked about Bashir, I know, but I'm just. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.040 Saying because of the track record of success, so I mean, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.400 I want to I don't know the man like you 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.520 all know him, so I at least want to meet him. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.400 I don't like the fact he went after Karmala for 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.119 absolutely no god no good reason whatsoever. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.200 I mean, who's think was responding? 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.960 Though, yeah, he does think he's responding. And I hate 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.720 it because before either of their books, they were very cool. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.200 I don't know what happened. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.160 The books, but I mean, I don't. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.000 Know if there's no but I'm saying I don't know 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.640 if something clearly something happened before it was in print. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.200 But I just I hate that because I actually wanted 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.640 Josh to be Katie H's running mate. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.160 I think we said that privately as well. I think 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.160 she learned in the process of evaluating him that there 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.680 were some other things there, and that's what she kind 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.080 of aired out in the book, and then he felt 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.120 the need to respond obviously through the book. I don't 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.160 think that has removed his chances. I think it does 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.920 create a little bit of a Mohil that he's going 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.600 to have to, you know, just mount and set some 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.840 people at ease around some of that. But it's no secret. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.399 I certainly wasn't fool that he's ambitious, and I don't 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.520 necessarily consider that a bad thing. Now he might am 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.080 choosing his vice president, consider it not the greatest gift 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.680 to have an ambitious VP, because he'll be faced with 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.119 the same kind of confrontation of an issue that Kamala was, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.080 which is, if you're my veep, are you here to 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.200 help me lead govern and see my initiatives salt to 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.159 the finish line? Or are you here to prepare for 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.760 president by you know, stabbing me in the back potentially 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.479 if it serves you. And that's an important question. That's 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.880 the only choice that the president themselves or the nominee 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.119 gets to make for themselves. But I think he should 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.040 I think he should be considered well. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.720 There was another individual that Kamala Harris talked about in 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.320 her book, and it was Mayor Pete or Secretary of Pete. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.760 She was concerned about picking him because of his sexual orientation. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.440 Was mentioned in the book, What do you What would 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.399 y'all say to Secretary of Pete who now is a 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.359 podcaster killing it in the podcast space. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.520 By the way, I love Pete. I think Pete is 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:13.800 probably the most talented of the entire bunch in terms 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.159 of oratory, the ability to think through policy ideals, the 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.520 way that he connects. The question remains, is the country 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.199 going to elect a gay president of the United States? 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.720 I hope we are that far. I think Pete needs 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.440 to get a great look like everyone else. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.560 I think he I think the things that probably he 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.119 can do to reduce an emphasis on his personal private life. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.920 It does tend to blur more the personal private when 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.160 you're trying to become president, because the whole family has 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.480 to be taken into consideration, and what that looks like 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.800 has to be put in you know, people's the picture, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.160 the picture frame of their mind that I can see 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.800 this and embrace this as the representative image of my 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.560 country and who who I am, and so people will 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:02.639 have to come in terms of that. But I do 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.000 think there's a way for the emphasis on it to be, 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.320 you know, to be to be made lessoned. The I 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.400 don't know all about unfortunately, what is what his checklist 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.959 of winds was as Secretary of Transportation. But I do know, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.560 you know, prior to that, his last publicly held position 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.560 was as a mayor, and there are many of us 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.480 in the municipal space had our set of critiques about 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.360 you know, his service and that capacity. Like I said, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.959 Secretary of Transportation, I thought that he was good at 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.080 holding the airliners accountable. You know, we got a lot 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.080 of the graces that we have today and a lot 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.200 of the justice in the system around you know, giving 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.159 us our money back when you don't fly this plane. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.480 And if I got a change with delays, don't charge 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.199 me two hundred dollars to make that change it, you know. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.199 So I appreciated that, and there was a real consumer focus. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.840 I hope that if he runs that he's able to 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:03.280 can ten. You decided to bring that very pedestrian lens 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.280 to the office, Like what what is keeping me up 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.840 at night? What bothers me? What vexes me that I 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.159 may not give voice to, but every time it happens, 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.719 I'm pissed off? Well for me, that's that's that's that's 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.480