1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Native lampod is a production of Iurheart Radio in partnership 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 4: I am really excited about the fact that we had 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 4: a great pod this week, and I wish we could 7 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 4: have Reverend Bryant with us just often. 8 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 3: I mean, his intellect, his wisdom. 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 4: I really hope he takes it to heart to pray 10 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 4: for us, to keep us in our prayers, in his prayers. 11 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 4: He's just a man who just means so much, and 12 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: it was awesome to have him on, even unplanned or 13 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: without much coincidence. As we talked about the death of 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: Reverend Jesse Jackson, and one of the things that we 15 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: wanted to talk about on this mini pod is thinking 16 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 4: about Jesse Jackson in eighty four and eighty eight. One 17 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 4: of the things that I said, you know, back when 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 4: we were going through twenty twenty four and I wanted 19 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 4: to oppose it to the group is this was an 20 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 4: amazing time or moment for a Jesse Jackson type of candidate, 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: and one of those candidates who had the ability to 22 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: reach across cultural divides, could speak to poor folk from 23 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 4: Appalatia all the poor folks in the projects in Chicago, 24 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: and so Angela in the show one talked about the 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 4: fact that you know, it's time for nation building, and 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: also whether or not Reverend Jackson would be able to 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: see us turn that corner. And so my question that 28 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: I wanted to pose to you all in the audience 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 4: who are watching, and to my friends and partners in crime, 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 4: is what are we looking for as someone to carry 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 4: the torch as we turn that page, as we turn 32 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: the corner, hopefully from some of our darker days in 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: this country's history. And we can talk about names, but 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 4: I think this far out we probably want to just 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 4: talk about characteristics, almost build a candidate, maybe mentioned some 36 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: people who fall in certain categories of what we're looking like. 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 4: I would love for eighty eight, not eighty four Jesse, 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: but eighty eight Jesse to be running right now, but 39 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: he ain't. So what do we what are we looking 40 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: like when we're talking about candidates? Andrew Angela, I want 41 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: to throw that to y'all when. 42 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: We get to names. I'm gonna do that part because 43 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm here for the tea, Andrew, I. 44 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 5: Want to hear. 45 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: Name that easy. 46 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: No, No, I'm still going to share characteristics. But I'm 47 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: just saying, since he don't want to do it, I will. 48 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: I think we need a fighter. I was listening to 49 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: President Obama sort of reflect on the comments, or rather 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: the question of how he and Michelle sort of responded 51 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: to the Trump meme and nape some all that kind 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: of stuff. And as I listened to it, it was, 53 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, very it was very nice and diplomatic, and 54 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: I sort of felt like, but at this moment, we 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: kind of just need the spades called. If we see them, 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: we call them. And to what benefit? Then I had 57 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: to like ask myself, like, to what benefit is it 58 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: to call the man out? And and and you know, 59 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: returned the favor, you know, by basically saying what what 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: the truth is about him? And I guess what would 61 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: be different is if I on the listening side of it, 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: as a regular, you know, run of the male person, 63 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: to hear it come from someone as measured as Barack Obama. 64 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: A real critique of this president might penetrate the ears 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: of some people who get glazed over on the top 66 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 2: it typically because they know it to be so out 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: of fashion for for that, for for for for for 68 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: President Obama. But then again, he's a man who is 69 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: very controlled to come, very very well contained, and I 70 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: kind of want a leader who is yes contained and appropriate, 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: but also he during this time right now to call 72 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: out what the what the what the what the problem 73 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: is on its nose and talk very directly about what 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: you're going to do to solve it. I don't want 75 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: to have to negotiate your words to figure out it's, 76 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: you know, like, what did you really mean? I want 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: to know it, and I want to hear it real clearly, 78 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: and I want It's sort of like we talked about 79 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: the governor of California before, and I said, I really 80 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: want someone who knows who has sunking into themselves. I 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: don't want you to want some exploratory mission about what 82 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: it is that you think and what you believe, because 83 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: the stakes are too high right now. I need you 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: to know what that is, and I need you to 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: have some pretty concrete ideas of what you're going to 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: do about that thing. I don't want, quite frankly, right now, 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: the person who is going to come in and say 88 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm just here to bring all sides together, because I'm 89 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: not sure what that means. I don't know what it 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: equals for my rights, for my children's rights, for the 91 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: future of this country. I think that way of thinking 92 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: is still at this moment, is still it's just so 93 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: pollyannish about the world that we have now come into. 94 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: I don't think we're going back to polite society in 95 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: the way that we once knew it. I think there 96 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: are going to be new norms around what polites is 97 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: is and how that gets formed. I don't know how 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: you go from a US Senate hearing with Pam Bondi 99 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: on the witness end, insulting you at every turn, not 100 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: answering a single question answer I asked by Democrats, and 101 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: then you know, you know, becoming doctor Jekyl and Hi 102 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: based off of who the questioner is and whether they 103 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: are of shared party with you or not, or whether 104 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: they like you salute the president enough. I don't know 105 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: how we go from that today to tomorrow back to 106 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: a really polite exchange. I'll let me get back to 107 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: you on ma and da da da da da. You know, 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: I just maybe I'm wrong, And if I am wrong, good, 109 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: then we can go back to yesteryear if you all 110 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: enjoy it yesteryear. But I just think that we're at 111 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: a different time, the temperature is at a different setting. 112 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: And I don't want chaos and confusion. Don't get me wrong. 113 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: I want I need predictability and stability and a lot 114 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: of these places. But I also need the truth being 115 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: told and in places where tables need to be turned 116 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: and buildings need to be leveled and institutions need to 117 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: be replaced or gotten rid of wholesale that there's going 118 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: to be a leader who's prepared to say those things 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: and is willing to say those things in the course 120 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: of trying to get our vote and not, oh, we don't, 121 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: don't ask for that, let us get there first, let 122 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: us get there first, has not served us. I'm not 123 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: going there anymore. And I've been one of those people 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: who said, well, let us don't force them out on this. 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: We know their heart. They got there and we didn't 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: know their heart. Right, We got there and their heart 127 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: wasn't what we thought it was, and they didn't have 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: the stomach for it and they didn't have the spine 129 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: for it. So I'm sort of just wholesale dismissal of 130 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: the politics of polite in order to win. And I'm 131 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: very much so for say a thing, do a thing. 132 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: If you can't do it, tell me what you planned 133 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: to do, and let's see how we can help you. 134 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Know, the politics are polite, Andrew, And I know, Angela, 135 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 4: I just I didn't mean to interrupt you if you 136 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 4: were about to jump in. But the politics are polite 137 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 4: as something that has been tossed out the window. Charlemagne, 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: our friend, always says that Democrats learned that the language 139 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: of politics, the old language of politics, has been thrown 140 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 4: out the windows since about twenty ten, and Democrats are 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: just now learning that. 142 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: Right. He loves to talk about that. 143 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: But I will say that something that Jesse Jackson talked 144 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: about when his criticism of Donald Trump was how he 145 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: was profiteering from the White House, and that actually is 146 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: one of the things that ranks highest amongst people's ill 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: will towards the forty fifth and forty seventh president of 148 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: the United States, this profiteering. And so what I would 149 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: tell you is this, I think it's a combination of 150 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: two things. One, we want to return to morals and ethics. 151 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: I think people really want that return to morals and ethics. 152 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 4: They are tired of the grifting, they're tired to reading 153 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: about it. They see Twitter d and twitted Dim also 154 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: known as Eric and Ronald Trump Junior profiting off of everything, 155 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: and they're just sick and tired of that. 156 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: Right. 157 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: But I also think to your point, there is this 158 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: theme that I'm seeing come from people like we never 159 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: punished the Confederates for their treasonist behavior. Hello, those are 160 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: the same people who ushered in Jim Crow, right, those 161 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 4: are the same people who storm the capitol, and now 162 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: they're the same people running the country. And so there 163 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: has to be this balance between, yes, we want someone 164 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: of ethics character, we want somebody who is we and 165 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 4: you know the crazy thing about it, And Nick, I'm 166 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: not gonna curse. This is where I normally curse. But Nick, 167 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: it reminds me about cursing earlier. Today anyway, people just 168 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: don't give a good gd about what you're doing in 169 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: your bedroom, or how many people you sleeping with, or 170 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 4: what color they are, or you know, those type of 171 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: things anymore. But what they do want you to do 172 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 4: is actually carry yourself with some dignity. Stop making your 173 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: subjects and verbs fight each other, Make sure that you 174 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: can put together coherent sentences, represent the world with some 175 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: sense of pride, have some morals and ethical ethics about yourself. 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 4: Know who you are, which was the number one, and 177 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: we know her, but it was the number one kind 178 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: of barb at our friend Kamala Harris. You know, the 179 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 4: people assumed she was still trying to figure it out 180 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: because the people around her would never let her. Just 181 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 4: tell you, even if it was a flub, just tell 182 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 4: you who you are. So I think that it's a 183 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: I think that you're hitting your We're kind of hitting 184 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: around what that candidate looks like. And so my seguay 185 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: to my seguay to Angelas. I you know, I think 186 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: it's going to be a governor because I think people 187 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 4: want to track workord of success. They don't want somebody 188 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 4: who ain't never done nothing before and who believes their 189 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: first job should be president of the United States. I 190 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: see you, Stephen A. Smith, and I think that I 191 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 4: think that probably. 192 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 5: Even get at any era. 193 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: Because I'm petty and I people. I think people that 194 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: we need to listen to, or people like Jamie Pritzker. 195 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 4: I think we need to listen to Mark Kelly. I 196 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: think we need to listen to Andy Basheer. I think 197 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: we need to listen to Wes Moore, I think these 198 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 4: people have a unique story to tell, and we need 199 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: to give them an opportunity to tell it. 200 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 5: I want to start naming names to just see what 201 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 5: you all think. 202 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I know, but I want to do it slightly different. 203 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: I would love for us to consider things that these 204 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: folks would need to work on to be a serious contender. 205 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: And I think there are no better strategists in this 206 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: way than these two amazing candidates who have a track 207 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: record of winning yourselves. 208 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 5: So let's start with Bernie Sanders. What does he need 209 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 5: to do? 210 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: Keep doing what he's doing. Yeah, not run, like. 211 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 5: Say, retire is probably. 212 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: Best, Okay? And then how about I don't know what. Oh, 213 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm hearing that Stacy Abrams is interested in running. 214 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 5: What would you recommend she does. 215 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: I don't want Stacy Abrams to lose another race. I 216 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 4: feel like that would grossly diminish her voice and platform. 217 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 4: I think she's extremely powerful. I think if you could 218 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: replicate what Stacy did and Georgia throughout the South, with 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 4: the funding and the subgrassroots level, we could change the South. 220 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: But running for president, I don't believe is the next 221 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 4: step in her voyage. I do believe there's somebody from 222 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: Georgia who could do it. But I'm not necessarily sold. 223 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 4: If we're gonna be honest on Stacy. 224 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: Abrams, JB. Pritzker, Andrew, which is, what does JB. Pritzker 225 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: need to do. 226 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: He's gonna have to get healthier, He's gonna have to 227 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: lose some weight. 228 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: Go ahead and say it, he said, says it isn't this, 229 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: it's that the only indicator of health, you know, but 230 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: it is and a a pusha indicator. But you know, 231 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: we have a super official society. 232 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: Uh. 233 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: You know, people will derive things from you based off 234 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: of how you present. And I think we need him 235 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: healthy and kicking and strong, and and and and to 236 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: the task. He's already demonstrated he's a fighter that he's 237 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 2: prepared to go to the mat for what he believes in. 238 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: I don't think he leaves a lot of room to 239 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: question what he stands for and what he believes in. 240 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that's important. I don't 241 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: know about the billionaire thing, and there's nothing he can 242 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: do about right not becoming us. He gave away all 243 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: his family's wealth, which I'm sure is not happening. But 244 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, we just got rid of a billionaire, and 245 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: unless he's sort of gonna comment from kind of the 246 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Mark Cuban sort of pedestrian like kind of demeanor. I 247 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 2: just don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't. 248 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: I don't know how that's gonna land following Trump with 249 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: the Democrats, then picking up a billionaire to be the man, 250 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, the carrier of the mantle for for for 251 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: the kind of change we need. 252 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: He would have to lead with ethics. 253 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 5: Guys, I have like eight more people. 254 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, this is mini pot too, so yeah. 255 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: Many pots. 256 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 5: Okay. 257 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: AOC Alexandria Cassio Cortez. There's rumors that she might be 258 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: a contender spots. 259 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 4: I've never seen AOC campaign in the South anywhere outside 260 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: of major urban areas, so I don't, I don't know. 261 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: And I would like to see her in you know, 262 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: beauty salons and beauty parlors and Columbia and Charleston. I 263 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 4: want to see her small business round tables in Charlotte. 264 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 4: I want to see her in Atlanta. I want to 265 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 4: see her in Savannah make And I just haven't seen it. 266 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 5: So do you do you guys feel like you've seen 267 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 5: her at all? 268 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: At all. 269 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: I feel like she's been kind of muted too, Like 270 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: other than the big rallies with Bernie, are you feeling 271 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: like you're seeing her as much. 272 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: As the media does that to you? 273 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: Right? 274 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: You start out at this, you're a crave and then 275 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: you're run of the mill. Right, they start prioritizing probably 276 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: more of them shifting, and you. 277 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: Know that's channel. 278 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: That's my that's my issue with a lot of these progressives. 279 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: I mean, like, I think I think we need to 280 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: merge some of their progressive ideals with the Southern characteristics 281 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 4: that represent the political south. Mm hmm. 282 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: Okay, what about Andy Basheer Governor Andy bsher He just 283 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: dropped a book on faith. There's some memoirs coming out. 284 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: Normally the memoirs are a good indicator of people's intentions. 285 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: So following him also are Josh Shapiro and Gavin Newsom. 286 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: But let's hit Andy Basheer first. 287 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: Love him. 288 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: He's a Southern governor, you know. I think I think 289 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: he'll probably be the closest example we have will be 290 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, just kind of his style and profile of 291 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: a national race, and I think people I think I 292 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: would probably put him in the polite politician category. And 293 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: so what I'm going to want to see from him 294 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: is what the fight in him is. 295 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, a stylist, a little son. He needs to get 296 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 4: some different suits, a little son. He's a handsome guy. 297 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: We need to be able to see that. You know, 298 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: I think that that John as. 299 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: Full on John Edwards. 300 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 4: Oh god, no, not full on John Edwards, but you know, 301 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 4: not necessarily homely either. You want you want to look presidential, 302 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: not like you from wherever. But you know, I think 303 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: that I think that John asof is some somebody along 304 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 4: that same type of demeanor who has the kind of 305 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: Atlanta swag going for him. I want to see if 306 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,479 Speaker 4: Andy Bsher can kind of match that. This is very superficial. 307 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: People are gonna be. 308 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: Like, well, I love John, but this matters. I think 309 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: two voters last time we. 310 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: Checked, Yeah, it does matter. I mean people wanted to 311 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: They always say, you. 312 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 5: Want to know if you could have a beer with them. 313 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't drink beer, but like, can you just have 314 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: a regular conversation? So okay, speaking of this, uh, let's 315 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: go Josh Shapiro and then Gavin. 316 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 4: I like Shapiro. I think you should get a chance. 317 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: I like Shapiro and I like Basher, I like to 318 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: share more. 319 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 5: We already talked about Bashir, I know, but I'm just. 320 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: Saying because of the track record of success, so I mean, 321 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: I want to I don't know the man like you 322 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 4: all know him, so I at least want to meet him. 323 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: I don't like the fact he went after Karmala for 324 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 4: absolutely no god no good reason whatsoever. 325 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: I mean, who's think was responding? 326 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: Though, yeah, he does think he's responding. And I hate 327 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: it because before either of their books, they were very cool. 328 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. 329 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: The books, but I mean, I don't. 330 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: Know if there's no but I'm saying I don't know 331 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: if something clearly something happened before it was in print. 332 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: But I just I hate that because I actually wanted 333 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: Josh to be Katie H's running mate. 334 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: I think we said that privately as well. I think 335 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: she learned in the process of evaluating him that there 336 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: were some other things there, and that's what she kind 337 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: of aired out in the book, and then he felt 338 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: the need to respond obviously through the book. I don't 339 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: think that has removed his chances. I think it does 340 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: create a little bit of a Mohil that he's going 341 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: to have to, you know, just mount and set some 342 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: people at ease around some of that. But it's no secret. 343 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: I certainly wasn't fool that he's ambitious, and I don't 344 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: necessarily consider that a bad thing. Now he might am 345 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: choosing his vice president, consider it not the greatest gift 346 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 2: to have an ambitious VP, because he'll be faced with 347 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: the same kind of confrontation of an issue that Kamala was, 348 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: which is, if you're my veep, are you here to 349 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: help me lead govern and see my initiatives salt to 350 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: the finish line? Or are you here to prepare for 351 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: president by you know, stabbing me in the back potentially 352 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 2: if it serves you. And that's an important question. That's 353 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: the only choice that the president themselves or the nominee 354 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: gets to make for themselves. But I think he should 355 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: I think he should be considered well. 356 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: There was another individual that Kamala Harris talked about in 357 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: her book, and it was Mayor Pete or Secretary of Pete. 358 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: She was concerned about picking him because of his sexual orientation. 359 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: Was mentioned in the book, What do you What would 360 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: y'all say to Secretary of Pete who now is a 361 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: podcaster killing it in the podcast space. 362 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: By the way, I love Pete. I think Pete is 363 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: probably the most talented of the entire bunch in terms 364 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 4: of oratory, the ability to think through policy ideals, the 365 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: way that he connects. The question remains, is the country 366 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 4: going to elect a gay president of the United States? 367 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: I hope we are that far. I think Pete needs 368 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 4: to get a great look like everyone else. 369 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: I think he I think the things that probably he 370 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: can do to reduce an emphasis on his personal private life. 371 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: It does tend to blur more the personal private when 372 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: you're trying to become president, because the whole family has 373 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: to be taken into consideration, and what that looks like 374 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: has to be put in you know, people's the picture, 375 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: the picture frame of their mind that I can see 376 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: this and embrace this as the representative image of my 377 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: country and who who I am, and so people will 378 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: have to come in terms of that. But I do 379 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: think there's a way for the emphasis on it to be, 380 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: you know, to be to be made lessoned. The I 381 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: don't know all about unfortunately, what is what his checklist 382 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 2: of winds was as Secretary of Transportation. But I do know, 383 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: you know, prior to that, his last publicly held position 384 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: was as a mayor, and there are many of us 385 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: in the municipal space had our set of critiques about 386 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: you know, his service and that capacity. Like I said, 387 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 2: Secretary of Transportation, I thought that he was good at 388 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: holding the airliners accountable. You know, we got a lot 389 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: of the graces that we have today and a lot 390 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: of the justice in the system around you know, giving 391 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: us our money back when you don't fly this plane. 392 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: And if I got a change with delays, don't charge 393 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: me two hundred dollars to make that change it, you know. 394 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 2: So I appreciated that, and there was a real consumer focus. 395 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: I hope that if he runs that he's able to 396 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: can ten. You decided to bring that very pedestrian lens 397 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: to the office, Like what what is keeping me up 398 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: at night? What bothers me? What vexes me that I 399 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: may not give voice to, but every time it happens, 400 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 2: I'm pissed off? Well for me, that's that's that's that's 401 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: that's like hit me over the head for everything you 402 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: charged me for the water and the cookies and the 403 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: seat and the middle seat Andrews show. 404 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 5: Because Andrew then went on. 405 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: I know what. 406 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 5: Candidates. 407 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: He's in tune with your high costant cookies on the 408 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: plane all right now. The next one is speaking of pedestrian. 409 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: He's become a lot more approachable recently. When the Trump 410 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: administration tried to come after his credentials in the military 411 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: after just simply doing a video saying you should not 412 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: follow unlawful orders. They tried to get him charged that 413 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: they weren't successful. No weapon for it against Mark Kelly 414 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: did prosper But would he win in twenty twenty eight? 415 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: What would he need to do? 416 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 5: Y'all? 417 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: I think he's a great candidate. He was on the 418 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 4: short list one of the final three before to be 419 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 4: vice president. It was Pete Footage, the final four Peae Bootage, 420 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 4: Jos Shapiro, Tim Walls, and Mark Kelly. 421 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 5: Tim Walls was on there. 422 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I can see it too. Please tell 423 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: me kind of see no kind of. 424 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 5: Because he's not on this list and I'm asking you. 425 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: Do no harm type deal, get no vote, That's exactly. 426 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: But anyway, he went my choice. I like Mark Kelly 427 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: out of all of them. 428 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: I think his back Mary was your choice, Okay. I 429 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: told him that anybody who would listen I told him that. 430 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: Marking more now, but as he's through the fire, because 431 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: I think you do get for him through the fire 432 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: and his now that he has been under attack, I 433 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: think his spine is stiffened and he's filling out a 434 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: little bit more. You know, you get a suit and 435 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: you just can fill it out. He's filling out his 436 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: He's filling it out a little bit more. And I'm 437 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: liking him standing more past Like yeah. 438 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, I hear that a g I agree with 439 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: you on that. Okay, what about let me ask y'all 440 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: a long shot one? And she said herself is a 441 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: long shot one. Y'all know where I'm going. 442 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 5: No, when we go, when they. 443 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 4: Go, well alone, way. 444 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: Talk about it. 445 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: People love her, everybody would vote for But I even 446 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: want her to go through it. I mean, they served 447 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: our country, Like, let's let them. Like, I don't want 448 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: to say rest in peace, but let her rest. Jesus 449 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: got to pull her out there doing this. 450 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: With these if let's say that, if she was going 451 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, it's on me to save democracy, 452 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: y'all think this moment, Okay. 453 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: I think she is. 454 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: I think she has much more shaped for this moment 455 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: than than probably any of the names that we've discussed 456 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: up to this point. And she's never been a policymaker. 457 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: I just think the clarity of her mind. 458 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, the brilliance. 459 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: The oh, the oh. 460 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: Nick told me to tell everybody they don't know who 461 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: when when they go low, we go high. 462 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 5: As we're talking about. 463 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: Former First Lady Forever First. 464 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 5: Michelle Obama Robinson Obama. 465 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like the more Robinson in her as right, 466 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: I love. 467 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: South Side, But but the Obama cannot be discounted because 468 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: of the fact that for eight years, when you were 469 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: somebody's wife watching them do the job, you actually gain 470 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: a whole lot of experience from that. I'm not saying 471 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: that she was making she was doing a job, She 472 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 4: was doing the whole yet just watching. 473 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't just watching. 474 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, so she has more experience than 475 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: people because people are gonna be like but I can 476 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: already see how people's mindset. They'll be like, Maka, you 477 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: just said five minutes ago that your first job shouldn't 478 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: be president of the United States, and when I'm trying 479 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: to one. 480 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: Before she was a partner in a law firm. 481 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, but but me an. 482 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 5: When we all vote, she still got when we all vote. 483 00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: Now, I hear you. 484 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: She's so good that Milania Trump had to copy her 485 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: speech and was like when I was growing up in 486 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: the South side of Chicago. All right, so what about 487 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: let's go to Gavin. 488 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: I don't like him. 489 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 4: I just think that Gavin Gavin is a fighter, but 490 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 4: Gavin Gavin has to be able. Let me not say 491 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 4: I don't like him. I think Gavin has a hard 492 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: time displaying the humility. I think that there is a 493 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 4: line between the fighter that we want and the humility 494 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: we need. 495 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: Can I ask you guys one question that has really 496 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: been bothering me. I don't particularly care for Gavin either, 497 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: based on what I've learned about him trying to get 498 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: an open convention to undo what would have been, you know, 499 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: Kamala's nomination after being on the ticket with Joe Biden. 500 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 5: So I don't care for him for that. 501 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: I would still love for him to come on our 502 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: show and talk to us about what sets him apart. 503 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 5: But I. 504 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: I just take issue with some of the things that 505 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: he's done. And anyway, this is my biggest question. Does 506 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: it bother y'all at all that him and Donald Trump 507 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: Junior could like the same woman. 508 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, she was a totally different woman then. 509 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: Woman. Yeah, I mean this. 510 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 5: Is this is she looked ideals the same. 511 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: This was three or four surgeries ago. 512 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 4: I mean, people, you get a woman, a woman get 513 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 4: a b BL she get a new I mean. 514 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 5: Your mouth. 515 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying no, seriously, y'all have never wondered, like, 516 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: how could they actually like the same woman, because. 517 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: I think, guys, could I mean, I think, just yeah. 518 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: Completely different political different is the political body. 519 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: But first of all, she didn't have a different political ideology. 520 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: Then she was a liberal. Yeah she probably does this, 521 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, but but she's an opportunityst more than anything. 522 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't, I'm not. There are a lot of 523 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 6: reasons that judge Gavin One. Okay, I don't not like him. 524 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 6: I want to know more about it. 525 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 5: I don't like him. 526 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: No, I don't not because I feel like it's I 527 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: certainly can't say I love him or like him for 528 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: this this thing. I like him a lot more thanks 529 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: to the fight that he has mounted. I agree with 530 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: that against Donald Trump. I also I like the personal 531 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: part of his story about him having grown up this 532 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: dyslexic and having first been part of a family where yeah, 533 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, this man rewrites the way he commits his 534 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 2: his his his information to memory, his speeches, he writes 535 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: them numerous times over and over and over again. He 536 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 2: reads articles and traces letters and underlines newspaper articles as 537 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: he reads. Is a discipline to him that I really respect. 538 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: The poverty story that he grew up in with a 539 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: father who you know, had money and resource when he 540 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: was married to his mother and then decid to you know, 541 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: to to to to to you know, this way working, 542 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: you know, and his Gavin's mother and his father got 543 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: a divorce, and so his father lives hiss greatest life 544 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: with his new family and they are literally in poverty, 545 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: and his mother having to figure that out and keep 546 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: it together for both he and his sister, you know, 547 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: as they grow up. I want more of his personal 548 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: It created a beast in him, a fighting, a grit 549 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: in him, and also a little bit of a chip 550 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: on his shoulder that I think is very can be explained, 551 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: can better explain why he does walk into a space 552 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: with so much cubrius, if you will, and that the 553 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 2: humility doesn't seem to be at appropriate portion, but in 554 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, understanding more about his own personal story. 555 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: I get to see that, oh, this man was wearing 556 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 2: the mask and in a lot of ways he had 557 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: to He had to dress the part before he was 558 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: ever going to be the part. And I get that 559 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: to stand that and if if he could unvelop more 560 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: of his what has made him himself, rather than this 561 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: podcast where he is attempting to reinvent himself before our 562 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: very eyes, I think that doesn't serve him well. I 563 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: think he would be better served by deepening into his 564 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: own personal story, getting some you know some how do 565 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: you call that helping himself to meet himself? And I 566 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: think that will bring just a different level of I 567 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: think it takes him to the stratosphere. 568 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 5: Okay, we got two more. Can y'all guess who they are? 569 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: No? 570 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: Okay, no problem? Governor, first black governor if Maryland Wes Moore. 571 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 4: I want to see authenticity. I want to see him 572 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: be him, which we all know. And I don't want 573 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: anyone to try to make him be BARACKU Saint Obama. 574 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: Yes, including barackos Saint Obama. Please stop, mister Obama. He 575 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: is Wes Moore. Carry on, go ahead, Andrew. 576 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I just think he yes, he's got to 577 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: deepen into to him and be very clear about the 578 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: things he stands for and what he stands against. It 579 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: is quite easy right now for the shield for our 580 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: Democrats to basically say I'm for democracy, I'm against lawlessness. 581 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: And I think folks got to wear masks because to me, 582 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: that's boilerplate. That's that's default, that's the default position. Now 583 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: we got to go beyond that. What do you believe? 584 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: What do you think, what motivates that belief? What kind 585 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: of lived experience bought you there? And and why do 586 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: I believe you will be uncompromising in that position versus 587 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: you know, everything's up for negotiation. And I don't know 588 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: that that is. But I do think that what he's 589 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: going to have to contend with is the impression that 590 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: many may have of him, and I think a lot 591 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: of that has to do with this just his newness 592 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: and to public office. 593 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 5: I like that, I like that he is a happy warrior. 594 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: I love his relationship with Don I think that he 595 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: has done a lot of good in like just giving 596 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: us joy in this political space right now. But I 597 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: agree that I want to see him be more authentic 598 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: and be like, if he's going to battle Trump, I 599 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: want him to do it his way and not on 600 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: somebody else's terms. 601 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: And battle the Republicans post Trump, who we're going to 602 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: have to square up and square off with over over 603 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: how we get reconciliation and how we get accountability for 604 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: these Last. 605 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 4: For none of these people and Wes morenor Gavin Newsom 606 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 4: have to try to be Donald Trump White. I don't 607 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: think people are itching for that. 608 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: No, they just want to know when you're fighting, you're 609 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: fighting for them. 610 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: Enough for herself, Okay, well, Last is certainly loudly. She 611 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: did it all in one hundred and seven days. Kamala 612 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: Devi Harris, What does she need to do? 613 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 5: What do we think? 614 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: She hasn't said she's running again, But if she was 615 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: going to run again, what do you think? 616 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: I mean? 617 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 4: I think if the election was to run, she wins. 618 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: That's what the Poles say, and that's a result of 619 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: that's a result of the name ID and in the 620 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: fact more people know who she is. There is something 621 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: that has to be contended with. And I don't even 622 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: have the best advice around how to I think get 623 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: to it. But there are people who I know and 624 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: that I respect. And who are black who are still 625 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: saying I don't know, I don't know who she is, 626 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: what she believes, and I don't know who she is. 627 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: And I think it was easy for us to dismiss 628 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: that during the race and basically a little bit of 629 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: a tinge of racism underneath and maybe attend to sexism underneath, 630 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: and maybe this is the way to otherise and sort 631 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: of make the other thing look suspicious. And I get that, 632 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: and I said a lot of that because that's what 633 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: I thought at the time, and I think the recurrence 634 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: of that, I mean, when you hear it from loved 635 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: ones who are not the political analysts, they don't look 636 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: at it that way. They just have a gut thing, 637 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: and their gut thing says to them this. Then I 638 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: have to stop dismissing. I have to be like, okay, 639 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: wait a minute, what how can we help to unvelop that. 640 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest barrier. It isn't whether she 641 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: can debate whether she has a belief, you know, whether 642 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: she's going to fight for what it is that she 643 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: believes in. There is this there's a hole, there's a 644 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: big wall, and it's not being said maybe by all 645 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: the people, but a lot of people are feeling it 646 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: in their gut, and so if their gut is something 647 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: that they can't get past the gut, they can't get 648 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: past that. And I don't know that you should if 649 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: you feel if your spidy senses are saying, I don't 650 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: know what this object is. 651 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, I sucks. 652 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say. 653 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 4: No. I mean it's she just has one question she 654 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: has to answer, which is and it's a big question, 655 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 4: and I think she has to be free to answer, 656 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,239 Speaker 4: which is, who are you? 657 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 3: Tell us who you are? 658 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: And you know the questions because I don't know why, 659 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: I don't know anybody else. 660 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I do say, I guess, like why is her 661 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: not being alimated county prosecutor the state's attorney general. 662 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: That's a resume. 663 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 5: I know what I'm saying. 664 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: But the reason why she occupied those roses because of 665 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: who she is and her values, and she's articulated her 666 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: values not once, but in two different books. 667 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 5: I think there's a third one. 668 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: I don't think that you can. 669 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: I don't think that. 670 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 5: What how how do you. 671 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: Just saying I don't think I can give the advice 672 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: on this because it feels so feels it's abstract, but 673 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: it also there's something scuffy about telling somebody. How you 674 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: tell people who you are, you gotta do it. You 675 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: do it because people you haven't affect and you haven't. 676 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: But I mean, I was watching. 677 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: Leaves a lot to be desired by people who have 678 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: watched her on television and even come into contact with 679 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 2: her in person. 680 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 4: Rosie Perez at this I think it was Rosie Perez 681 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 4: at the same thing week and she was a big 682 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 4: supporter and she said, I still don't know what she 683 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 4: stands for and when, And to Andrew's point, like I 684 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 4: feel like I know it. I feel like Angela just 685 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 4: articulated she knows it. Andrew knows it. But if enough 686 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: people are saying the same thing, there are a couple 687 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 4: of things that are happening. One, it's being just continuously 688 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 4: pummeled in our head throughout narrative, out the narrative, at 689 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 4: the narrative, and it's taking home. But two, it also 690 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: may be a question that needs to be answered. And 691 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 4: I think I. 692 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: Think, I think that she can show up guarded. We 693 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: have had this conversation just candidly. She she shows up 694 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: guarded in some ways. 695 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 5: But it is how do you not show up, Guarden? 696 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: When people come at you about somebody you dated twenty 697 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: years ago, you know, it's like you're on a little 698 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: bit of edge, like and they would never. 699 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 5: Do that to a male candidate. 700 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 2: So I think when she trades up the happiest in 701 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 2: the room, you wonder why she is the happiest. 702 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: Why And then that's the other thing, like why did 703 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: that guys e say about how she laughs? 704 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: It's not just it's not because And I want to 705 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 2: be where you are because I was doing the election, 706 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: which is these are things you are expecting of a woman, 707 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: but you'd never expect. But then I have to ask myself, no, 708 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: I actually make some reflections about this about certain I'm like, 709 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 2: I like Bill Clinton because I feel like he understands 710 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: how I grew up. And part of that was him 711 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 2: unraveling and sharing his story, you know, coming from a 712 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: single family, you know, a single parent household and abject 713 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: poverty as well in Arkansas, and you know, there there 714 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: were there were elements of the story that I really 715 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 2: felt like I could connect with, and not just that. 716 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: It then explained to me how he's on our senial 717 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: hall playing the Sacks. 718 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 4: It's the same thing with Jesse Jackan Jesse. Jesse's story. 719 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 4: As we talked about he began to articulate the fact 720 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 4: that he was raised by a sixteen year old unweed 721 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 4: mother and his father grew up next to him and 722 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 4: how that spurred him out and you know, his missteps 723 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 4: and this that and the third I think that there 724 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 4: are I mean, there are questions that people ask that 725 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 4: people don't know the answer to, like talk about the 726 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 4: relationship with you and your sister and how great that 727 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 4: is and why that is the way that it is, 728 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 4: and you know your upbringing with your mother that you 729 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 4: that you do. But then the question is asked, all right, 730 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 4: well tell me about your father, right, and then there 731 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 4: is a guard this placed up. 732 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 3: Nobody that's true, nobody. 733 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 4: Can answer the question. And then it's like men, yeah, 734 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 4: and then black men are like, all right. 735 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 3: So explain that to me. 736 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. 737 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 4: And then you're like, and it's just a question. It's 738 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 4: not a condemnation, and it's doesn't come from a bad 739 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 4: place from a lot of people. It just comes out 740 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 4: of a level of curiosity, which then breeds distrust. And 741 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 4: then it's like you talk about the cycle of people 742 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 4: you dated. I know that you nobody should be asked 743 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 4: the question. 744 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 3: But tell it. 745 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 4: I mean, you know a lot. The one of the 746 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 4: best parts about this show is that we really don't 747 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 4: have secrets. 748 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 3: From people, Like we come on and people are just 749 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: like even. 750 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 5: Our business. 751 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so. 752 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: Anyway, point, I just I just I just want people. 753 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: I do want people to see the side of her 754 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: that we've all gotten to seek privately. 755 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 5: And I do think that there are moments for that. 756 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: But I also think, don't compare a black woman from 757 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: from California to a white Southerner or even a black 758 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: Southerner a man, like they're different. You know, we're built different. 759 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Tupac is her favorite rapper, you know what I'm saying. Like, 760 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: so there there is So that's. 761 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 2: A that's a challenging of itself that you got the 762 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 2: largest concentration of black women are in the South, and 763 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: you're now looking at a woman who does not share that. 764 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: And they were all supporters because they except that they 765 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: accepted her. 766 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 5: Hask from Howard how she. 767 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: Was they were, But that doesn't translate across the entirety 768 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: of the community. 769 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 3: But can we just wait, I think. 770 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: The other way a lot of black women who were 771 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: fidell to the fact that she was a black woman 772 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 2: running who's still to who? Who still say I don't 773 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: know who she is? 774 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 5: But I guess all I'm saying is what, like, what 775 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 5: else do you need to get to know from her? 776 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 5: Do you need to know her favorite color? 777 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 3: Angela? 778 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 4: One of the things that that you know, and I 779 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 4: think we have to articulate, is that we are walking 780 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 4: into this and it hasn't been said yet. 781 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 3: We know it's. 782 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 4: Unfair, and yes, that's what I'm Yes, we know it's unfair. 783 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 4: We know it's unfair. But the question that you asked 784 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 4: from the very beginning is how does she become president 785 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 4: of the United States? And we know that she has 786 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 4: unfair obstacles she has to overcome, and if we want 787 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 4: her to be successful, the question we can't just say 788 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 4: she ain't got it. We got to say, look this, 789 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 4: you got to go out here and tak unfair and 790 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 4: so the person so the person coming behind you don't 791 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 4: have to go through the same shit you. 792 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: Well, I'm being unfair about Pritsker when I say he's 793 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what's the billionaire thing. These are things 794 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: that were handed that's true. Came into that right, but 795 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 2: it's still going to be a liability. It's hard to 796 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 2: say that being a billionaire is a liability. I'm just saying. 797 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: But in the United States, as the standard bear for 798 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, there's some there are some questions you're 799 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: going to be asked, some thresholds you will have to 800 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 2: cross before we can consider you. 801 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 4: All right, I got some chicken legs and I'm baking 802 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 4: right now. 803 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 5: Get that you ain't baking on chicken legs. 804 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: But speaking of chicken legs, i'mnna let y'all's chicken legs go. 805 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 5: We are gone. And as coming from Turkey legs over here, 806 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 5: I have big legs. They don't belong on my body. 807 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 5: But it is what It is. Also not fair, speaking 808 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 5: of things that are not fair. 809 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: So we have a lot of criteria that will continue 810 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: to wrestle with as we get closer to the twenty 811 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: twenty eight election. 812 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 5: This for me was very insightful. 813 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: I actually really appreciate this podcast with two of my 814 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: favorite strategists Andrew Gillman Bacari Sellers. This has been a 815 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: native lampod Mini pod. 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