Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Elon Musk has donated seventy five
Speaker 1: million dollars to Donald Trump's campaign. We have such a
Speaker 1: great show for you today. Legendary campaign manager Stuart Stevens
Speaker 1: talks us through the campaign. Then we'll talk to Joyce
Speaker 1: Craig about her run for New Hampshire governor.
Speaker 2: But first the.
Speaker 3: News, Molly, we're all talking about closing messages now that
Speaker 3: we are less than three weeks away from the selection happening.
Speaker 3: What are you seeing here with Vice President Harris's closing argument.
Speaker 1: I don't know that this is the closing argument, but
Speaker 1: I definitely think this is part of what she's trying
Speaker 1: to do here, which is again create a permission structure
Speaker 1: for Republicans who are not thrilled with Trump to vote
Speaker 1: for the Democrat. And she's doing a rally tonight in
Speaker 1: Bucks County, Pennsylvania. That's a Republican, very kind of upper
Speaker 1: middle class suburb, a lot of Republicans who are college educated.
Speaker 1: She's trying to sort of get these voters who are
Speaker 1: the kind of voters who have been more open to Harris.
Speaker 1: She has a bunch of people who had been in
Speaker 1: the Trump administration or who were Republicans joining her, which
Speaker 1: I think is really smart. She's going to have a
Speaker 1: sit down interview with Fox. This is really unusual for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. Though Walls has done Fox Sunday twice now
Speaker 1: and he's done fine. I think it's really really smart
Speaker 1: to try to pierce the echo chamber. And again, remember
Speaker 1: she's not necessarily going to win a ton of voters
Speaker 1: for Fox. But this is all about cutting the margins.
Speaker 1: This is all about picking up votes. Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: Bucks County is different, but there are certain places here
Speaker 1: where they're going to places that are red parts of
Speaker 1: the country where they're just trying to shave off ten
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the vote. So maybe he loses thirty
Speaker 1: seventy as opposed to eighty twenty, and she's able to
Speaker 1: use that ten percent to get her over the top
Speaker 1: and the rest of the state. So I think it's
Speaker 1: really smart, and I think we're going to see more
Speaker 1: of that over the next three weeks. It's a really
Speaker 1: good organized way to run a campaign.
Speaker 3: A contrast, I spent a lot of my time on
Speaker 3: a former podcast where we documented QAnon very heavily enough.
Speaker 3: When I see the word shadow government, it's usually coming
Speaker 3: from someone wearing a tinfoil hat. But mister Trump just
Speaker 3: said it. What do you make of that?
Speaker 1: So Trump is sharpening his closing message, and his closing
Speaker 1: message is crazy. He had an interview with Glenn Back.
Speaker 1: He said, and again, remember Glenn Beck, perhaps not the
Speaker 1: stable guy. You'll remember he's been in New York Times
Speaker 1: saying he wasn't going to be so far right. Then
Speaker 1: he went back to the far right. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's done it all.
Speaker 2: Glenn Back.
Speaker 3: One might say he sees where his bread would be buttered,
Speaker 3: and he picks them.
Speaker 2: Is where the money is.
Speaker 1: Trump claims that there's a shadow government that's running the
Speaker 1: country instead of President Biden.
Speaker 2: By the way, I love a Trump.
Speaker 1: Quote because whenever you read it, you realize the guy
Speaker 1: cannot speak English. So here it is. This is a direct,
Speaker 1: verbatim quote. And that's why when you read a verbatim quote,
Speaker 1: I want you to listen.
Speaker 2: To just how unhinged it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a committee of people, and
Speaker 1: they might not even know who the committee is. They
Speaker 1: may not even know themselves. Does that make sense, question Mark?
Speaker 1: And now I would like to add, no, it does not.
Speaker 1: It's a group of people at that are in different
Speaker 1: levels of DC.
Speaker 3: This is giving real. Uh. The first rule of fight
Speaker 3: club is you don't mention fight clubs type stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an incredibly stupid thing to say,
Speaker 1: and it speaks to Donald Trump's fascinating, authoritarian slash insane
Speaker 1: closing message. You will remember he did boobop for thirty
Speaker 1: seven minutes earlier this week.
Speaker 3: Oh the swaying and the dancing, the bopping. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: going to stay in my brain forever. Okay, so let's
Speaker 3: take it down to Georgia. We're starting to see some
Speaker 3: early voting data and the news is looking good.
Speaker 1: Dare I say, well again, you know, we don't know,
Speaker 1: but early voting in Georgia shatters records. More than three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand votes cast in Georgia.
Speaker 2: That's humongous.
Speaker 1: One of those votes in Georgia was a guy called
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter, who had said that he wanted to stay
Speaker 1: alive so that he could vote for Vice President Harris.
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, he filled out of ballot and he dropped
Speaker 1: it in a dropbox right in Sumter County Courthouse near
Speaker 1: his hometown of Planes. It's pretty cool to hear that
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter was able to stay alive long enough to
Speaker 1: vote for Vice President Harris.
Speaker 2: Now, we just kind of worked hard.
Speaker 3: I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're all a little misty eyed here
Speaker 1: about one hundred year old Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 3: I mean, I did see three hundred thousand of this headlight.
Speaker 3: I thought it was referred to his age, but yes,
Speaker 3: so listen. Kamala Harris has been doing some very unconventional
Speaker 3: media hits and one of those was she went on
Speaker 3: with breakfast club hosts Charlie Bade the God, which is
Speaker 3: it for those people who are totally illiterate to this
Speaker 3: is one of the most listened to black talk radio
Speaker 3: hosts out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere between five and ten million listeners, and it's
Speaker 1: probably more than that. And it's really the group of people.
Speaker 1: They're politically active. They're not all black, but some are black.
Speaker 1: It's a really good way. And again we've talked about
Speaker 1: this earlier, but you know, she went on Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 1: which was five to ten million women, a lot of Democrats,
Speaker 1: but a lot of Republicans and independents, and she went
Speaker 1: on there to talk about issues that these Republican women
Speaker 1: might vote on, things like reproductive health. So what she's
Speaker 1: doing here, she's going to where the votes are. And
Speaker 1: this is like the difference between media today in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four and media in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty, No, but I mean true.
Speaker 3: I'm laughing because it's true. It's really did stay the
Speaker 3: same forever.
Speaker 2: Right or even two thousand.
Speaker 1: You could go to Time magazine, you could go to Vogue,
Speaker 1: and you could go to the New York Times and
Speaker 1: you'd sort of get everybody, and then you'd go on Oprah,
Speaker 1: you go on something like that.
Speaker 2: You kind of get around.
Speaker 1: But now media is so different, and these voters have
Speaker 1: these trusted messengers, and Charlemagne is a trusted messenger for
Speaker 1: a group, and so I think it's very smart that she's.
Speaker 2: Kind of going where it is now.
Speaker 1: Charlemagne can be very tough and has done very tough interviews.
Speaker 1: You'll remember he did a very tough interview with Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, he is notorious even in
Speaker 3: the entertainment world that he will ask some of the
Speaker 3: most unfriendly met the right word, but challenging and pressing
Speaker 3: questions to a whole host of people. Whether it's like
Speaker 3: a rapper with face tattoos onto a politician.
Speaker 1: And so he asked her a question which I actually think.
Speaker 1: I'm impressed he asked this question because they talked a
Speaker 1: lot about different stuff. You know, very friendly. Mister Trump
Speaker 1: should be in prison, and she said yes. But then
Speaker 1: he asked her if she is too on script. So
Speaker 1: he said, you know, you tend to bob and weave
Speaker 1: and she said that would be called discipline. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a really interesting answer. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: a criticism people have made of her before. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting that he did that. He
Speaker 1: pushed her on that, and you know, then there was
Speaker 1: a lot of other conversation. Talked about her economy for
Speaker 1: Black Americans, and she gave a long answer, and he
Speaker 1: gave her a hard time, but in a playful way.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a really interesting and important thing
Speaker 1: she did there.
Speaker 3: Agreed. One of the things I think is always interesting
Speaker 3: is a scientific technology. I've studied a lot of innovation,
Speaker 3: and often the inventions have lots of inventors and people
Speaker 3: who could call themselves the father of things or the
Speaker 3: mother of things. I don't think Donald Trump, though, has
Speaker 3: done anything to qualify as calling himself the father of IVF.
Speaker 1: Also, it's just very creepy to call yourself the father
Speaker 1: of IVF. Right, IVF makes babies, and he's going to
Speaker 1: be the father of all these IVF babies.
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump's into town hall with women tonight.
Speaker 1: He's trying to appeal to women because he he's losing
Speaker 1: them because he overturned Roe v. Wade and now women
Speaker 1: are dying while waiting to get miscarriage care in a
Speaker 1: town hall with an entirely female audience, right, talking about
Speaker 1: issues that impact American women because he has this gender
Speaker 1: gap in polling. He said when an attendee in the
Speaker 1: crowd asked him his possession on abortion access and in
Speaker 1: virtual fetalization. And you remember, Republicans are war with IVF.
Speaker 1: They have this idea that it's called embryonic personhood, the
Speaker 1: ideas that an egg plus a sperm is a child
Speaker 1: and a five celled organism is a person. And so
Speaker 1: they want to eventually regulate IVF or maybe end IVF
Speaker 1: because The way IVF works is that sometimes these embryos
Speaker 1: get discarded and to them to this crew that is
Speaker 1: considered to be murder, which is insane.
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump said, I love this. He goes, I'm
Speaker 2: the father of IVF.
Speaker 1: So I want to hear this question you will say
Speaker 1: today wrote It wasn't immediately clear whether the former president
Speaker 1: was talking about his own family or the procedure more broadly.
Speaker 1: So maybe Donald Trump created IVF and none of us
Speaker 1: know about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is funny when there's headlines
Speaker 3: today that Trump said that the fantastically attractive Katie Ritt
Speaker 3: taught him how IVF works, but yet he's the father
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: It's all just incredible stuff. An incredible, incredible closing message
Speaker 1: from Donald J.
Speaker 4: Trump.
Speaker 1: Stuart Stevens is a legendary campaign manager and the author
Speaker 1: of The Conspiracy and America Five Ways My Old Party
Speaker 1: is driving our democracy to autocracy.
Speaker 2: Welcome to fast politics, to work.
Speaker 4: NICs for asking me to party, Milly or We're.
Speaker 2: So happy to have you.
Speaker 1: Now. I need you to talk to us about the
Speaker 1: state of the race.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 4: I feel very good about the race, sort of frighteningly,
Speaker 4: so I think the structure of this race is very stable.
Speaker 4: I think there's forty seven percent of the country that
Speaker 4: is MAGA, fifty three percent that's non MAGA. The ask
Speaker 4: for the Harris Walts campaign to coalesce as much of
Speaker 4: that fifty three percent be acceptable to them as possible.
Speaker 4: So we wake up today in a world in which
Speaker 4: Liz Cheney and Bernie Sanders are supporting the same candidate.
Speaker 4: That seems pretty good to me. I think Trump has
Speaker 4: proven not to be able to move much north of
Speaker 4: certainly forty seven percent. And you look at the polls,
Speaker 4: but it's always better when the polls jib with what
Speaker 4: you're actually seeing. What is he doing to outreach the
Speaker 4: other voters that's working. I don't see that he's really
Speaker 4: doing anything. So the question in these campaigns is always
Speaker 4: would you rather be your guy the other guy? I'd
Speaker 4: rather be Harris Waltz.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, because it's funny because it's like everyone I
Speaker 1: know is vacillating between feeling okay and feeling freaked out.
Speaker 2: But the thing that.
Speaker 1: I'm struck by, and again the polls have not buried
Speaker 1: that much, is doing everything you could possibly be doing, right,
Speaker 1: Like she's going on box is trying to go on, Rogan,
Speaker 1: can you talk to us about this? I mean it
Speaker 1: feels like a play to trim the margins. Is that
Speaker 1: what it is? And since you're a campaign guy, you
Speaker 1: really can speak to exactly how it works.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing. You sit in those rooms and
Speaker 4: pretty soon you're scratching your head about what can we
Speaker 4: do that's different and it's really difficult. And you look
Speaker 4: at the map and somebody says, you know, we should
Speaker 4: go to Richmond, we should go to Arie, we should
Speaker 4: go to Detroit, we should go to Grand Rapids. And
Speaker 4: the answer is yes, you can't do them all. So
Speaker 4: every day is Sophie's choice, right, and by going one place,
Speaker 4: you can't go the other. I think there's also a
Speaker 4: dirty little secret in campaigning that the correlation between where
Speaker 4: you campaign and impact on the votes is very dubious.
Speaker 2: Oh that's very interesting, you really think so well.
Speaker 4: In the Romney campaign, at some point I asked myself,
Speaker 4: you know, we spend all this time and all this
Speaker 4: money running all over the world. Doesn't really matter. So
Speaker 4: we started polling like four days before we went into
Speaker 4: a market, pulling the day we're in the market, and
Speaker 4: four days afterwards, and what we found was it was
Speaker 4: pretty consistently about a point and a half bump, but
Speaker 4: then that point and a half bump reset within seventy
Speaker 4: two hours. So we thought about this and pondered it
Speaker 4: in profound ways and decided that we didn't know what
Speaker 4: it meant. We kept doing the same thing. We didn't
Speaker 4: know what else to do. So, you know, did Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 4: They say, oh, she lost in Michigan because she didn't
Speaker 4: go there. Well, that she lose Pennsylvania because she went
Speaker 4: too much right right right? Who knows? Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 4: causality is always the most difficult thing in politics. But
Speaker 4: you know, if you look at the state of these
Speaker 4: two campaigns, and I think of it like a sports team,
Speaker 4: the Harris campaign, to me has composure. They're calm, they
Speaker 4: have a sense of purpose. They are I think, in
Speaker 4: a good tone between confident, but not Erica, where at
Speaker 4: the campaign has clearly lost its composure. I would say
Speaker 4: this has been true since the day that Biden got out,
Speaker 4: and there was a question would this be temporary when
Speaker 4: they figured out how to run against Harris? And I
Speaker 4: think the answer is they haven't figured out how to
Speaker 4: run against Terrace, right So I mean, there's not a poll,
Speaker 4: a focus group, or a strategist in the world that
Speaker 4: told Donald Trump, Look, the way to finish this race
Speaker 4: is saying that we're going to have military tribunals for
Speaker 4: citizens in generals. That means, like we tested that it works. Great,
Speaker 4: focus groups love it. Let me tell you he's out
Speaker 4: there doing it. There's no focus group or a poll
Speaker 4: in the world that told him to go out and
Speaker 4: say you're the daddy of ava, which he did today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was crazy, Yeah, crazy and creepy. Yeah, he said
Speaker 2: that before They're lost.
Speaker 4: And you know, we now know the Chris Hasovita according
Speaker 4: to Daily Beast, you know, making around twenty two million.
Speaker 4: So I mean, you say to Chris, okay, Chris, you
Speaker 4: could always threaten to quit if he doesn't do what
Speaker 4: you say. What are the odds that's going to happen?
Speaker 4: Not very good? You know, it's an irony here that
Speaker 4: Donald Trump disposedly great businessman is the biggest sucker for
Speaker 4: political consult Brad parcels Chris, they just up the truck
Speaker 4: and he's like, okay, great. I think that there's a
Speaker 4: closing argument that the Harris campaign has I've always thought
Speaker 4: that they needed to do two things. I thought the
Speaker 4: same for Biden. It transfers to Harris, they need to
Speaker 4: be for the future. And I was ecstatic when Harris
Speaker 4: hit on this don't go back thing. But in America
Speaker 4: we are very hesitant to pass the church backwards. And
Speaker 4: you know, it is true that no one's been elected
Speaker 4: president's the seating a member of their own party who's older.
Speaker 4: We just don't do that. We go to the younger.
Speaker 4: And I think they have to be the safe choice.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has to be more risky. And I think
Speaker 4: that they're prosecuting that argument.
Speaker 1: And what do you say to people who are like
Speaker 1: freaking out, she's up one, and she's up two, she's
Speaker 1: up three. That's not enough to win the electoral college.
Speaker 4: What I was doing presidential campaign, someone would say, are
Speaker 4: you worried about I would stop them there and say, yes,
Speaker 4: whatever you're about to say, we're worried about it. That's
Speaker 4: your job. But in this world that we live in now,
Speaker 4: he saw Hillary Clinton winning by three million, Biden won
Speaker 4: by seven. I think she'll win by more. I just
Speaker 4: don't see where the universe of voters available to Trump
Speaker 4: is expanding. I am super confident that at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, the Trump Black vote will be under
Speaker 4: ten percent. Right, nineteen sixty four, gold Order got seven percent.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty Trump got eight that's one point every fifty years.
Speaker 4: Don't think that's gonna really change, you know. I think
Speaker 4: the last Biden got like maybe thirteen percent of black men.
Speaker 4: As always talk about black men, but he got like
Speaker 4: ninety six percent of black women. Trump will probably do
Speaker 4: better with black men and black women, but it's going
Speaker 4: to average out. So I think that's one of the
Speaker 4: factors when you look at these polls and they're saying, well,
Speaker 4: she's getting eighty percent. I've seen this in so many
Speaker 4: Republican polls. I mean all my life. I saw our
Speaker 4: candidate getting in states that had a signific black population,
Speaker 4: good pollsters right up to election day. I can't tell
Speaker 4: you how many times fifteen, sixteen, seventeen percent of the
Speaker 4: black vote, but I can tell you how many times
Speaker 4: it happened. Never, right, No, eight nine, that's what we're
Speaker 4: going to get. So there's usually a trend that younger
Speaker 4: voters tend to gravitate more to the Democratic Party at
Speaker 4: the end as to Hispanics. So this is startling number
Speaker 4: that is out there now that for the first time
Speaker 4: in modern history, Harris is on track to win white women, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Romney won them by seventeen points,
Speaker 4: you know, which is again one of my pet little
Speaker 4: issues here we don't talk about race enough. I mean,
Speaker 4: if I said to you Mitt, Romney won voters under
Speaker 4: thirty against Obama, it's true if we're talking about white voters,
Speaker 4: Obama had a huge gender gap. With Romney. He won
Speaker 4: women by like sixteen points. Here you have they're white. Justice.
Speaker 4: Trump never won the working class if you consider working
Speaker 4: class was to make under seventy five thousand dollars. Here
Speaker 4: on whiteworp, Trump loses ninety percent of the evangelical vote
Speaker 4: if they're black. There's something luck that's we have to
Speaker 4: look at that enough and to talk about it, because
Speaker 4: I think you can make a very good case that
Speaker 4: all of our politics is driven by race. Trump's coalition
Speaker 4: eighty five percent white, the country is fifty nine percent white.
Speaker 4: That is a dynamic that if for the first time
Speaker 4: a Democrat can win a majority of white women or
Speaker 4: white men, that would be extraordinary. And you know, there
Speaker 4: was a looked like Hillary Clinton was going to win
Speaker 4: college educated Republican, which Goldwater won college educated republic You
Speaker 4: know this, But then the COMI letter happened and he
Speaker 4: lost just enough problem to push Trump up.
Speaker 2: And his closing message really is authoritarianism.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's you know, he's daring people not to vote
Speaker 4: for him. It's you know, blaming the Jews. It is
Speaker 4: going to be your fault if I lose. They don't
Speaker 4: have any ground game at all.
Speaker 2: Right, well they have Elon living in Yeah.
Speaker 4: The thing we're to start a superbact. We're going to
Speaker 4: put up a ground game. If Elon must volt that,
Speaker 4: it just you know, it shows he knows nothing.
Speaker 2: About in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I always ask myself, could Elon Must get
Speaker 4: elected governor of Pennsylvania. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not a long history of you know, South
Speaker 4: African weirdos getting you wretched. I think the trend here
Speaker 4: is what kept and theres been a trend. You have
Speaker 4: to really look at this pre Biden dropout. So Trump
Speaker 4: and polls say was three points up over Biden. Then
Speaker 4: you go to Harris. Now Harris is anywhere from two
Speaker 4: to five points out. That's six or seven points different.
Speaker 4: That is a massive shift in today's politics. We wouldn't
Speaker 4: have seen anything like this since when Clinton was running
Speaker 4: in third place in May of the ninety two and
Speaker 4: ended up winning. So I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think the race is very stable. It is extraordinary that
Speaker 4: the Harris campaign hasn't had a disastrous day. I've always
Speaker 4: said it's impossible to get electric president without being humiliated
Speaker 4: is how you react to it. But so far they
Speaker 4: have avoided that. She's performed at a very high level.
Speaker 4: I think there's a factor here that this campaign on
Speaker 4: the ground was built to elect Joe Biden. I think
Speaker 4: that they looked at this and they said, we're going
Speaker 4: to have to have a really fantastic ground game to
Speaker 4: win it. So they overbuilt it, and Harris is inheriting that.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I just don't know what aspect
Speaker 4: of the campaign you would point to and you would
Speaker 4: say Donald Trump is beating Harris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, explained to our listeners why Donald Trump wants you
Speaker 1: to sing that he's winning.
Speaker 4: Oh well, that goes back to his whole you know,
Speaker 4: positive thinking, the art of positive thinking, to be able
Speaker 4: to sell people on that. The way that he would
Speaker 4: sell buildings. This is going to be the highest building
Speaker 4: or you know, the royals are going to live here.
Speaker 4: All these lives, He's always sold live It's always been
Speaker 4: a lie. You know, he's the guy calling gossip. Colin
Speaker 4: has paid sixth cold. They're saying that, you know, Donald
Speaker 4: on their soon name, saying Donald Trump is going out
Speaker 4: with some moly shar. He's always lived in this fiction world.
Speaker 4: There is an enthusiasm factor, and there is some data
Speaker 4: to show that people tend to vote for who they think,
Speaker 4: to some degree, who they think will win.
Speaker 2: But you will.
Speaker 1: Remember that she has a ten point higher enthusiasm gap
Speaker 1: than he does. Right, Democrats are ten points more enthusiastic
Speaker 1: about their pan today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all this talk about undecided voters, I really
Speaker 4: think that's a wrong terminology for it. I don't really
Speaker 4: think that these voters are so much undecided as they
Speaker 4: are deciding. Maybe one day they'll be for Harrison. I
Speaker 4: don't know, Maybe it may it'll be for Trump. They're
Speaker 4: not thinking about it. But the way they will break
Speaker 4: is based upon the favorable unfavorables of the candidate. Right,
Speaker 4: think about it. You wake up an election day, are
Speaker 4: you going to go vote for somebody of an unfavorable
Speaker 4: opinion on no either not going to vote. You're going
Speaker 4: to leave him off the ballot? Why would give you that?
Speaker 4: So when you know, you look at poles and you
Speaker 4: look at undecided, it's Haley. Barbera used to always ask me,
Speaker 4: what's the ballot and amongst the undercideds, And what he
Speaker 4: meant was, what's the fave unfavor of one guy against
Speaker 4: the other guy? Because that will be how they break. Now,
Speaker 4: if they both have equal unfavorables and favorables, then they'll
Speaker 4: probably be a wash. But Harris has an advanty with
Speaker 4: that huge. So I don't know. I think that the
Speaker 4: Democratic Party probably, you know, forgetting just the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: A lot of Americans, if not the world, have sort
Speaker 4: of a PTSD after sixteen. But what we forget is
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has won one race in his life at
Speaker 4: forty six point one percent of the vote right and
Speaker 4: Republicans decided that that changed the world, and all every
Speaker 4: day we knew about politics are wrong. I don't think
Speaker 4: it is. And when you look at Trump, like candidates
Speaker 4: in these states, like the guy ran for governor in
Speaker 4: twenty two against Shapiro, he got crushed Mark Robinson in
Speaker 4: North Carolina. If you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Crossed, can we talk about the down ballot candidates for
Speaker 1: a minute, because, for example, in Wisconsin, you have Tammy
Speaker 1: Baldwin ahead by four, sometimes as much as eight, sometimes six.
Speaker 2: I've seen as little as two.
Speaker 1: But he has a range of pulling significantly in a
Speaker 1: very like definitive way.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though Cook did move it to toss up,
Speaker 1: I think that most of the calls, if you aggregated
Speaker 1: him fairly, would show that he's at least as ahead
Speaker 1: as Rip Scott is in Florida or.
Speaker 2: As Ted Cruz is in Texas.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, Ted Cruse may be a little left, but
Speaker 1: she has a commanding lead that's at least two points. So,
Speaker 1: but then you have the top of the ticket so tight,
Speaker 1: and even like Arizona, let's talk about Arizona, you have
Speaker 1: Reuben Diego ahead by eight, nine, ten points, and then
Speaker 1: you have the top of the ticket so tight. So
Speaker 1: does that mean that there are going to be all
Speaker 1: of these Trump voters who vote for Trump Diego or
Speaker 1: does that mean that these people are going to vote
Speaker 1: for Trump and then leave the bottom of the ticket bike,
Speaker 1: I mean, can you make this polling disparity makes sense.
Speaker 4: Well, it would be very rare to have an undervote
Speaker 4: in a Senate race versus the presidential right, I think
Speaker 4: what you're seeing there is the lack of a coherent
Speaker 4: Republican message and what is the bargain that you get
Speaker 4: when you vote Republicans? And that's very unusual in a campaign.
Speaker 4: I mean every campaign that I've we tried to present
Speaker 4: a bargain. This is what you'll get. Now. Sometimes we
Speaker 4: are successful some times, but at least there was a
Speaker 4: coherent argument to put there. Trump doesn't have that unless
Speaker 4: you buy that you can't go outside of your house
Speaker 4: because of you know, aliens or of space.
Speaker 2: Well, he's trying to run on the border, right, he's
Speaker 2: trying to use the border.
Speaker 4: I think that it's one of these things that is
Speaker 4: not as present an issue in people's lives as If
Speaker 4: you ask him in a poll you worried about the border,
Speaker 4: you'll probably say yes. I mean no, not at all. Sure,
Speaker 4: say yes doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's going to
Speaker 4: decide your vote, which is where you get into this
Speaker 4: whole thing or regression analysis. You know who's the terrorism?
Speaker 4: Not many, but how many people are deciding your vote
Speaker 4: on who's going to be toughest on terrorism. That's a
Speaker 4: much small in number. I find it difficult to believe
Speaker 4: that if Republican loses Lake loses by nine points in Arizona,
Speaker 4: that Harris won't win. And I think how many of
Speaker 4: these demic candidate in blues state, I mean, are a
Speaker 4: battleground state. Are they really out there dying a campaign
Speaker 4: with Donald Trump? Not a lot? And I think that's
Speaker 4: very telling. So could already win.
Speaker 2: He sure could, right, especially if they're under rating her
Speaker 2: bullet her what to her performance.
Speaker 4: It's very hard. There's a certain limit at which people
Speaker 4: will not split their votes. I dealt with this in
Speaker 4: painful in detail when Bill Well as governor ran against
Speaker 4: John Kerry, a senator. You down and Bill Well had
Speaker 4: favorables about fifty points higher than John Carrey's, but he lost.
Speaker 4: Right Now, part of the reason for that was that
Speaker 4: there was a fall in the sort of conceit because
Speaker 4: if you liked votes, if you voted for carry, you
Speaker 4: got to keep well with governor. Right, But Dole got
Speaker 4: thirty three percent in Massachusetts, and in all our modeling,
Speaker 4: dol had to get at least thirty six percent, well
Speaker 4: to win and you go with thirty six percent, it's
Speaker 4: not like a big lift. But he got thirty three,
Speaker 4: and there just is a limit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: This is what Hogan is dealing with in Maryland. It
Speaker 4: is how much is Harris going to win Maryland buys?
Speaker 4: It becomes very.
Speaker 1: Difficult, right, It's impossible that there's just not the kind
Speaker 1: of split ticket voting you need for that, right, It really.
Speaker 4: Becomes difficult at a certain point. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: look at when Ja d Vance was on the ballot
Speaker 4: in Ohio, the one time he's on the ballot, it
Speaker 4: is extraordinary that he got four hundred thousand fewer votes
Speaker 4: than Dewan.
Speaker 1: He underperformed about twenty points behind the governor, right.
Speaker 4: Sake, I mean four votes. I means four hundred thousand
Speaker 4: people woke up and said I'm going to go vote
Speaker 4: with de Want, but I'm not going to vote for
Speaker 4: this guy Van. That's really really unusual.
Speaker 2: And still Trump picked him as his running made.
Speaker 4: Yep. So look, I mean, is the race winnable for Trump?
Speaker 4: I mean you have to say, sure, yeah, one of
Speaker 4: these two people is gonna win. But I think that
Speaker 4: the odds that Harris will win are significantly greater. You know,
Speaker 4: I look at these betting markets. You know, I've always
Speaker 4: found these to be just sort of indications of lack
Speaker 4: of knowledge rather than inside knowledge. It never really seemed
Speaker 4: relevant to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem like much. Tell me what she
Speaker 1: should do? What should her closing argument be? What should
Speaker 1: she be doing now?
Speaker 4: I think she ought to be out there constantly contrasting
Speaker 4: with Trump. I thought they did a brilliant thing. Was
Speaker 4: he yesterday at the rally? In the ear He seems
Speaker 4: like a million years ago. Yeah, So somebody came up
Speaker 4: with the idea like, we need the contrast for Trump.
Speaker 4: How do we keep Trump? You go, let's put his
Speaker 4: damn rally on the screen in our rally and show people.
Speaker 4: And let me tell you, if I was in that campaign,
Speaker 4: I would go by that person a drink. That was
Speaker 4: very simple but brilliant, and I don't do it's ever
Speaker 4: been done before. So they have to keep it as
Speaker 4: a referendum on Trump. Trump needs to be the incumbent
Speaker 4: in this race, and incumbents tend to get what they
Speaker 4: get in the tracking, and I think that they understand that. Listen,
Speaker 4: I think they're running a brilliant campaign, and I think
Speaker 4: you can look back on this at odds are as
Speaker 4: one of the most perfectly executed campaigns that we've seen.
Speaker 4: Ask how that happened, Why it happened. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of reasons. I think there's a Biden's campaign tream
Speaker 4: in twenty I think was underestimated and didn't get enough
Speaker 4: appreciation to beat an incumbent president. The last incumbent president
Speaker 4: who lost it wasn't in the federal funding system where
Speaker 4: both candidates got the same amount of money was Herbert Hoover,
Speaker 4: and he had a bed either. I think they got
Speaker 4: the better candidate, the better campaign, the better message, and
Speaker 4: they have more resources.
Speaker 2: George Stevens, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you now.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Molly.
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Speaker 1: Joyce Craig is the Democratic nominee for governor of the
Speaker 1: Great State of New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Joyce crag Lollie.
Speaker 5: It's great to be here.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So tell us what you're running for and what your
Speaker 2: sort of trajectory is. Yeah, so I am running for
Speaker 2: a governor of New Hampshire.
Speaker 5: For the last six years I served as mayor of Manchester,
Speaker 5: the largest city in New Hampshire. Have been dealing with
Speaker 5: our state wide challenges and it's one of the reasons
Speaker 5: why I'm running. We've gotten very little support from the
Speaker 5: state and I know we can be doing better in
Speaker 5: New Hampshire. Reproductive freedom is under attack, our public schools
Speaker 5: are under attack. We have a housing crisis, and you know,
Speaker 5: we haven't focused on decreasing energy costs for our residents.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot that needs to be done, and
Speaker 5: you know, as Mayor of Manchester, I have the hands
Speaker 5: on experience of getting things done and really want to
Speaker 5: bring results to families across our state.
Speaker 1: New Hampshire is a really interesting state because it was
Speaker 1: for a long time a swing state now less so right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what we're seeing now is the majority
Speaker 5: of voters in New Hampshire are considered purples. They wrote
Speaker 5: for the people, and you know, in New Hampshire we
Speaker 5: pride ourselves on retail politics, so we spend a lot
Speaker 5: of time knocking on doors, having conversations with residents and
Speaker 5: small businesses, really listening to their concerns and then you know,
Speaker 5: taking that information back and building policy to make our
Speaker 5: lives better in New Hampshire. What we're seeing right now
Speaker 5: is a coordinated campaign, a really strong coordinated campaign. They
Speaker 5: have about one hundred employees here with eighteen offices across
Speaker 5: the state. We have a number of volunteers who are
Speaker 5: coming out every single day to knock doors, to make
Speaker 5: phone calls, to write postcards, and you know, I just
Speaker 5: feel really optimistic in terms of what we can do
Speaker 5: in our state. And I'll just mention, you know, the
Speaker 5: race for governor is the number one flip of opportunity
Speaker 5: that we have in the country, and so it's critically
Speaker 5: important that we focus in on this and flip this seat.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really important point.
Speaker 1: Explain to us why it's so important to have a
Speaker 1: democratic governor in this state of New Hampshire.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so for the last eight years we've had a
Speaker 5: Republican governor who really has stood in the way of
Speaker 5: any progress. I mentioned reproductive freedom, and he prides himself
Speaker 5: on signing the first ever abortion ban in modern history
Speaker 5: in New Hampshire into effect. He has basically had an
Speaker 5: education commissioner who, together they implemented a dangerous voucher scheme
Speaker 5: that's siphoning millions of dollars away from our public schools
Speaker 5: and putting them toward private and religious schools, which is
Speaker 5: absolutely wrong. We've not really done anything to address climate
Speaker 5: change or decrease energy costs for our residence, and we
Speaker 5: are in the midst of a housing crisis. We could
Speaker 5: be doing so much more, and there's a stark difference about,
Speaker 5: you know, sort of where I stand and where my
Speaker 5: opponent in this race stands.
Speaker 1: New Hampshire has a lot of waterfront Rhode Island has
Speaker 1: been one of these states that has a lot of
Speaker 1: waterfront that has been very involved in climate action because
Speaker 1: of rising sea levels.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about what it's like in New Hampshire.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're encountering the same thing and we are seeing,
Speaker 5: you know, what we used to call these once in
Speaker 5: a lifetime storms happening now almost on an annual basis.
Speaker 5: The state is, you know, making changes and addressing the
Speaker 5: storms when it comes to infrastructure, but we're doing it
Speaker 5: year after year after year, and we really need to
Speaker 5: start focusing on sustainability and making sure what we're doing
Speaker 5: will withhold these storms and make sure we are protecting
Speaker 5: you know, the beautiful state. You mentioned the waterfront that
Speaker 5: we have here. You know, that's not something that's happened
Speaker 5: and it's something that we have worked with experts across
Speaker 5: our state. We put forward an energy policy and we're
Speaker 5: focused on doing that. You know, in New Hampshire we
Speaker 5: pay some of the highest energy costs and we really
Speaker 5: have to look at how can we decrease costs for
Speaker 5: residents and businesses and by doing that, you know, we
Speaker 5: need to diversify our energy and again protect the beautiful
Speaker 5: state that we live in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, New Hampshire has a pretty interesting tax structure which
Speaker 1: has served Democrats.
Speaker 2: Will you explain to us sort of how it works there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So in New Hampshire we do not have a
Speaker 5: sales or an income tax, and you know, as a
Speaker 5: candidate for governor, I have said that I would veto
Speaker 5: a sales or an income tax if it would come
Speaker 5: across my desk. So really what we have to focus
Speaker 5: in on is how do we best decrease local property
Speaker 5: taxes we're seeing right now in New Hampshire. Is I
Speaker 5: mentioned the state isn't funding public ad education, for example,
Speaker 5: and when they don't fund public education, that gets pushed
Speaker 5: down into the local communities and affects our local property taxes,
Speaker 5: and coming from a local level, I understand that and
Speaker 5: want to change that process. I think it's really important
Speaker 5: to note as well that you know, my opponent is
Speaker 5: all for giving tax breaks to the most wealthy, to
Speaker 5: millionaires in the state of New Hampshire, like herself. That
Speaker 5: again would increase property taxes for our hard working families,
Speaker 5: and that's where my focus is, how do we decrease
Speaker 5: costs for hardworking families.
Speaker 1: You were the mayor of Manchester. How does being a
Speaker 1: mayor inform what you sort of want to do as governor?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, certainly being mayor, and I have to say
Speaker 5: of my hometown was an incredible opportunity for me. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm a fourth generation resident of this state and was
Speaker 5: able to work with my community that raised me to
Speaker 5: make my city stronger. So, you know, being a mayor,
Speaker 5: you're on the front lines dealing with many of our
Speaker 5: state wide challenges, and so I was able to implement
Speaker 5: evidence based solutions to address these challenges. So you know,
Speaker 5: for example, when it comes to housing, I was able
Speaker 5: to allocate thirty million dollars toward affordable housing and we
Speaker 5: now have two thousand homes and apartments in development. When
Speaker 5: I took office, crime rates had hit historic eyes and
Speaker 5: so I immediately got to work with our police department.
Speaker 5: We hired more police officers to be on the streets
Speaker 5: to build relationships with our community, and we worked together
Speaker 5: and we saw a forty percent decrease in violent crime.
Speaker 5: Manchester is home to the largest planned parenthood in the state,
Speaker 5: and we were seeing, you know, issues with planned parenthood
Speaker 5: not being funding and families not being able to access
Speaker 5: the services that they needed, so I supported and partnered
Speaker 5: with Planned Parenthood to make sure that families had the
Speaker 5: access to affordable, quality, reproductive healthcare that they needed.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, And that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: What do you think the sort of big issues for
Speaker 1: New Hampshire Urians is? Is that how you say it,
Speaker 1: Granite Staters, grantede staters, Okay?
Speaker 5: You know, one of the things that continues to come
Speaker 5: up as I'm traveling around the state is the concern
Speaker 5: about reproductive freedom in New Hampshire. We are the only
Speaker 5: state in New England that hasn't codified access to abortion,
Speaker 5: and we saw this past session Republicans actually propose a
Speaker 5: fifteen day and then a fifteen week abortion ban and
Speaker 5: those failed. But as long as access to abortion is
Speaker 5: not codified into law, we will continue to see these
Speaker 5: threats on reproductive freedom. And I think it's really important
Speaker 5: to note that, you know, my opponent, Kelly Ayott, as
Speaker 5: a Senator, voted multiple times for a national abortion ban.
Speaker 5: She voted multiple times to defund Planned Parenthood, and has
Speaker 5: said if elected governor, she would continue to defund Planned Parenthood.
Speaker 5: You may recall that she was the person who shepherded
Speaker 5: Neil Gorshich through the Supreme Court process and then celebrated
Speaker 5: when Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade was overturned.
Speaker 5: And so we cannot trust her when it comes to
Speaker 5: reproductive healthcare in our state. You know, I trust women
Speaker 5: to make their own health care decisions, and I will
Speaker 5: fight to make sure it stays that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a senator, and she has the Senate
Speaker 1: voting record. Do you feel like voters are tuned in
Speaker 1: to voting records.
Speaker 5: Well, we're making sure they are, you know, So you know,
Speaker 5: it's something that we're highlighting in ads. For example, we're
Speaker 5: using her own words to show to residence in our
Speaker 5: state where she stands on these issues. And while she
Speaker 5: may be trying to communicate a different message. Now, as
Speaker 5: my mother used to tell me, your actions speak louder
Speaker 5: than your words. And we've seen what she's done in
Speaker 5: the past, and we cannot trust any thing that she says.
Speaker 5: Right now, she's basically saying and doing anything she can
Speaker 5: to get elected.
Speaker 2: I mean that's sort of what Trump's doing too, right.
Speaker 5: Well, And yeah, and speaking of Donald Trump, you may
Speaker 5: recall that, you know, in twenty sixteen, Kella Aodd had said,
Speaker 5: you know, I can't support Donald Trump because he's sexually
Speaker 5: assaulted woman and it's the wrong thing to do. And
Speaker 5: now he's sexually assaulted woman, it caused an insurrection, and
Speaker 5: he is a convicted criminal. He's now her choice for president.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think Republicans are just doing this because
Speaker 1: it's expedient and they want his voters?
Speaker 2: I mean, is there any more to it than that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: I wish I knew the answer to that question. It
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense to me. As we're having conversations with
Speaker 5: residents across the state. You know, people understand what happened.
Speaker 5: We have Republicans who are supporting us and supporting Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris because they know that that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 5: But you've got these politicians who are continuing along this line,
Speaker 5: you know, for whatever reason. But I have to trust
Speaker 5: that people have been paying attention and all of the
Speaker 5: work that's happening on the ground here in New Hampshire
Speaker 5: and across our country.
Speaker 2: You know, it'll all work out. Yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 2: A man. I hope so too.
Speaker 1: And I do feel like it's such an important race
Speaker 1: and just explain to us sort of the governorship. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Trump wins, which we don't think you well, and
Speaker 1: we certainly hope he doesn't. But governors can sort of
Speaker 1: protect their state from some of the worst of trump Ism, right.
Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, Molly, And that's why this election is
Speaker 5: so important. We've seen the impact that governors have had
Speaker 5: protecting their states and advocating for their states and making
Speaker 5: a positive change in the lives of so many. We're
Speaker 5: seeing important decisions, you know, being pushed down to the
Speaker 5: state level to governors, and that's why this election is
Speaker 5: so critically important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in normal time, when Liz Cheney doesn't have to
Speaker 1: come out for Vice President Harris, in a normal time,
Speaker 1: you would be able to have a Republican governor because
Speaker 1: they would be Republicans, would be sane. But right now
Speaker 1: we are in such an extraordinary moment in American life,
Speaker 1: and we don't know what's going to happen, right with
Speaker 1: another Trump administration. He's promised already to run as an Autocrat.
Speaker 5: Right, and to do away with basically public education. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just it's not what we need for families to
Speaker 5: thrive in our country, right, And so we need strong
Speaker 5: governors to stand up for the values of hard working
Speaker 5: families and that's exactly what I've done, you know, my
Speaker 5: entire career.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: Will you sort of tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: what you're seeing. I just want like, what's the mood
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire And has the change at the top
Speaker 1: of the ticket changed the trajectory of the race?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 5: So, we certainly did see a change in enthusiasm and
Speaker 5: volunteers when there was a change at the top of
Speaker 5: the ticket. I will say, you know, in New Hampshire,
Speaker 5: we did everything with a right in biding campaign. He
Speaker 5: has tremendous support here in New Hampshire, and I will
Speaker 5: tell you you know, as mayor, I worked with his
Speaker 5: administration and the federal delegation here and you know, we
Speaker 5: won some really competitive federal grants and as a result
Speaker 5: have over one hundred million dollars of federal funds coming
Speaker 5: into the city, you know, to increase jobs and increase
Speaker 5: investments in infrastructure and so much more. So, you know,
Speaker 5: tremendously grateful for the Biden Harris administration. But you know,
Speaker 5: when the change at the top of the ticket happened,
Speaker 5: we saw volunteers come out who had I had never
Speaker 5: seen before.
Speaker 1: You know, our.
Speaker 5: Campaign offices have been full of people really excited to
Speaker 5: elect Vice President Harris and Governor Wall. You know, I
Speaker 5: just left today gathering with a number of teachers. Public
Speaker 5: education is a passion of mine, and have a teacher
Speaker 5: at the top of the ticket is incredibly exciting for
Speaker 5: so many of us because, you know, I just truly
Speaker 5: believe that quality public education leads to thriving communities and
Speaker 5: creates opportunities for our kids and their futures. And to
Speaker 5: have you know, the vice president and his wife, the
Speaker 5: public school teachers, you know, will just really lift up
Speaker 5: this profession and the importance of public education.
Speaker 1: If you have a trumpy relative or undecided relative, what
Speaker 1: is the message.
Speaker 5: I think we have to try to find common ground,
Speaker 5: and we have to listen to each other. And while
Speaker 5: it's really difficult, we've got to hear each other out
Speaker 5: and we've got to listen to each other. I have
Speaker 5: those relatives, and I know how hard it is. But
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we've got to focus
Speaker 5: collectively on doing better, doing right for residents in our
Speaker 5: state and for me, you know, and I think no
Speaker 5: matter what political party you are, it's about cutting costs.
Speaker 5: You know, we know that people are having a hard
Speaker 5: time cutting costs for people. It's about making sure we
Speaker 5: have adequate, affordable housing and quality public education and protecting
Speaker 5: our rights. Those are basic needs for families, and those
Speaker 5: are the things that we're focused on that I'm focused on.
Speaker 5: You know, I'll just point out my opponent. You know,
Speaker 5: we are in the midst of a housing crisis in
Speaker 5: New Hampshire, across our entire country. She spent the last
Speaker 5: eight years on these corporate boards. One of them was Blackstone,
Speaker 5: where she's made millions of dollars. This company has jacked
Speaker 5: up rents and pushed people out of their homes. It
Speaker 5: is like the complete opposite of what we need and
Speaker 5: a leader in New Hampshire to address a housing crisis.
Speaker 1: Right, really good point, Thank you, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Thank you, We're all.
Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon by junk Fast.
Speaker 3: You know, the uh thing that keeps me up the
Speaker 3: most right now is thinking about all the legal fuckery
Speaker 3: that we're going to have to be talking about for
Speaker 3: weeks after this election is over, and we're already seeing it.
Speaker 3: What are you seeing here?
Speaker 1: So Republicans have just been filing lawsuits that are aimed
Speaker 1: at trying to see doubt with the outcome of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election in the event that Trump loses.
Speaker 2: If Trump wins, they will be totally fine with it.
Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, very unsurprising, but they're doing a
Speaker 1: ton of it. You'll remember that in Georgia, they're making
Speaker 1: it so that ballads need to be hand counted. They
Speaker 1: want to make it so that the certification can be
Speaker 1: delayed so that Mike Johnson can somehow punt this to
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. And I think Trump really thinks that
Speaker 1: he has enough juice with this Supreme Court that he
Speaker 1: might be able to have them overturn the election results.
Speaker 1: Think about how scary this is. This feels really really
Speaker 1: scary to me.
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