1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Elon Musk has donated seventy five 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: million dollars to Donald Trump's campaign. We have such a 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: great show for you today. Legendary campaign manager Stuart Stevens 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: talks us through the campaign. Then we'll talk to Joyce 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Craig about her run for New Hampshire governor. 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: But first the. 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: News, Molly, we're all talking about closing messages now that 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: we are less than three weeks away from the selection happening. 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 3: What are you seeing here with Vice President Harris's closing argument. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that this is the closing argument, but 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I definitely think this is part of what she's trying 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: to do here, which is again create a permission structure 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: for Republicans who are not thrilled with Trump to vote 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: for the Democrat. And she's doing a rally tonight in 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: Bucks County, Pennsylvania. That's a Republican, very kind of upper 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: middle class suburb, a lot of Republicans who are college educated. 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: She's trying to sort of get these voters who are 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the kind of voters who have been more open to Harris. 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: She has a bunch of people who had been in 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: the Trump administration or who were Republicans joining her, which 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: I think is really smart. She's going to have a 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: sit down interview with Fox. This is really unusual for 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: obvious reasons. Though Walls has done Fox Sunday twice now 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: and he's done fine. I think it's really really smart 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: to try to pierce the echo chamber. And again, remember 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: she's not necessarily going to win a ton of voters 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: for Fox. But this is all about cutting the margins. 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: This is all about picking up votes. Maybe you know, 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: Bucks County is different, but there are certain places here 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: where they're going to places that are red parts of 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: the country where they're just trying to shave off ten 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the vote. So maybe he loses thirty 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: seventy as opposed to eighty twenty, and she's able to 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: use that ten percent to get her over the top 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: and the rest of the state. So I think it's 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: really smart, and I think we're going to see more 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: of that over the next three weeks. It's a really 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: good organized way to run a campaign. 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: A contrast, I spent a lot of my time on 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: a former podcast where we documented QAnon very heavily enough. 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: When I see the word shadow government, it's usually coming 44 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: from someone wearing a tinfoil hat. But mister Trump just 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: said it. What do you make of that? 46 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: So Trump is sharpening his closing message, and his closing 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: message is crazy. He had an interview with Glenn Back. 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: He said, and again, remember Glenn Beck, perhaps not the 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: stable guy. You'll remember he's been in New York Times 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: saying he wasn't going to be so far right. Then 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: he went back to the far right. I mean, he's 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: he's done it all. 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 2: Glenn Back. 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: One might say he sees where his bread would be buttered, 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: and he picks them. 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: Is where the money is. 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: Trump claims that there's a shadow government that's running the 58 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: country instead of President Biden. 59 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: By the way, I love a Trump. 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: Quote because whenever you read it, you realize the guy 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: cannot speak English. So here it is. This is a direct, 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: verbatim quote. And that's why when you read a verbatim quote, 63 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: I want you to listen. 64 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: To just how unhinged it is. 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a committee of people, and 66 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: they might not even know who the committee is. They 67 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: may not even know themselves. Does that make sense, question Mark? 68 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: And now I would like to add, no, it does not. 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: It's a group of people at that are in different 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: levels of DC. 71 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: This is giving real. Uh. The first rule of fight 72 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: club is you don't mention fight clubs type stuff. 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an incredibly stupid thing to say, 74 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: and it speaks to Donald Trump's fascinating, authoritarian slash insane 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: closing message. You will remember he did boobop for thirty 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: seven minutes earlier this week. 77 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: Oh the swaying and the dancing, the bopping. Yeah, it's 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: going to stay in my brain forever. Okay, so let's 79 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: take it down to Georgia. We're starting to see some 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: early voting data and the news is looking good. 81 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: Dare I say, well again, you know, we don't know, 82 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: but early voting in Georgia shatters records. More than three 83 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: hundred thousand votes cast in Georgia. 84 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: That's humongous. 85 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: One of those votes in Georgia was a guy called 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter, who had said that he wanted to stay 87 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: alive so that he could vote for Vice President Harris. 88 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, he filled out of ballot and he dropped 89 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: it in a dropbox right in Sumter County Courthouse near 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: his hometown of Planes. It's pretty cool to hear that 91 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter was able to stay alive long enough to 92 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: vote for Vice President Harris. 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: Now, we just kind of worked hard. 94 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: I have to be honest with you. 95 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're all a little misty eyed here 96 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: about one hundred year old Jimmy Carter. 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: I mean, I did see three hundred thousand of this headlight. 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: I thought it was referred to his age, but yes, 99 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: so listen. Kamala Harris has been doing some very unconventional 100 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: media hits and one of those was she went on 101 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: with breakfast club hosts Charlie Bade the God, which is 102 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: it for those people who are totally illiterate to this 103 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: is one of the most listened to black talk radio 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: hosts out there. 105 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere between five and ten million listeners, and it's 106 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: probably more than that. And it's really the group of people. 107 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: They're politically active. They're not all black, but some are black. 108 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: It's a really good way. And again we've talked about 109 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: this earlier, but you know, she went on Call Her Daddy, 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: which was five to ten million women, a lot of Democrats, 111 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: but a lot of Republicans and independents, and she went 112 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: on there to talk about issues that these Republican women 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: might vote on, things like reproductive health. So what she's 114 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: doing here, she's going to where the votes are. And 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: this is like the difference between media today in twenty 116 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: twenty four and media in nineteen eighty. 117 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty, No, but I mean true. 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: I'm laughing because it's true. It's really did stay the 119 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: same forever. 120 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: Right or even two thousand. 121 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: You could go to Time magazine, you could go to Vogue, 122 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: and you could go to the New York Times and 123 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: you'd sort of get everybody, and then you'd go on Oprah, 124 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: you go on something like that. 125 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: You kind of get around. 126 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: But now media is so different, and these voters have 127 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: these trusted messengers, and Charlemagne is a trusted messenger for 128 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: a group, and so I think it's very smart that she's. 129 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: Kind of going where it is now. 130 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: Charlemagne can be very tough and has done very tough interviews. 131 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: You'll remember he did a very tough interview with Joe Biden. 132 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, he is notorious even in 133 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: the entertainment world that he will ask some of the 134 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 3: most unfriendly met the right word, but challenging and pressing 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: questions to a whole host of people. Whether it's like 136 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 3: a rapper with face tattoos onto a politician. 137 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: And so he asked her a question which I actually think. 138 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm impressed he asked this question because they talked a 139 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: lot about different stuff. You know, very friendly. Mister Trump 140 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: should be in prison, and she said yes. But then 141 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: he asked her if she is too on script. So 142 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: he said, you know, you tend to bob and weave 143 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: and she said that would be called discipline. And I 144 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: think that's a really interesting answer. And you know, that's 145 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: a criticism people have made of her before. So I 146 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting that he did that. He 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: pushed her on that, and you know, then there was 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: a lot of other conversation. Talked about her economy for 149 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Black Americans, and she gave a long answer, and he 150 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: gave her a hard time, but in a playful way. 151 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really interesting and important thing 152 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: she did there. 153 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: Agreed. One of the things I think is always interesting 154 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: is a scientific technology. I've studied a lot of innovation, 155 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: and often the inventions have lots of inventors and people 156 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: who could call themselves the father of things or the 157 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: mother of things. I don't think Donald Trump, though, has 158 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: done anything to qualify as calling himself the father of IVF. 159 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: Also, it's just very creepy to call yourself the father 160 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: of IVF. Right, IVF makes babies, and he's going to 161 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: be the father of all these IVF babies. 162 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: So Donald Trump's into town hall with women tonight. 163 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: He's trying to appeal to women because he he's losing 164 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: them because he overturned Roe v. Wade and now women 165 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: are dying while waiting to get miscarriage care in a 166 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: town hall with an entirely female audience, right, talking about 167 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: issues that impact American women because he has this gender 168 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: gap in polling. He said when an attendee in the 169 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: crowd asked him his possession on abortion access and in 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: virtual fetalization. And you remember, Republicans are war with IVF. 171 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: They have this idea that it's called embryonic personhood, the 172 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: ideas that an egg plus a sperm is a child 173 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: and a five celled organism is a person. And so 174 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: they want to eventually regulate IVF or maybe end IVF 175 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: because The way IVF works is that sometimes these embryos 176 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: get discarded and to them to this crew that is 177 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: considered to be murder, which is insane. 178 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: So Donald Trump said, I love this. He goes, I'm 179 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: the father of IVF. 180 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: So I want to hear this question you will say 181 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: today wrote It wasn't immediately clear whether the former president 182 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: was talking about his own family or the procedure more broadly. 183 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: So maybe Donald Trump created IVF and none of us 184 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: know about it. 185 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is funny when there's headlines 186 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: today that Trump said that the fantastically attractive Katie Ritt 187 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: taught him how IVF works, but yet he's the father 188 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: of it. 189 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: It's all just incredible stuff. An incredible, incredible closing message 190 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: from Donald J. 191 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 4: Trump. 192 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Stuart Stevens is a legendary campaign manager and the author 193 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: of The Conspiracy and America Five Ways My Old Party 194 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: is driving our democracy to autocracy. 195 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to fast politics, to work. 196 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: NICs for asking me to party, Milly or We're. 197 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: So happy to have you. 198 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: Now. I need you to talk to us about the 199 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: state of the race. 200 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: Right now. 201 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: I feel very good about the race, sort of frighteningly, 202 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: so I think the structure of this race is very stable. 203 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: I think there's forty seven percent of the country that 204 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: is MAGA, fifty three percent that's non MAGA. The ask 205 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 4: for the Harris Walts campaign to coalesce as much of 206 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: that fifty three percent be acceptable to them as possible. 207 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: So we wake up today in a world in which 208 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 4: Liz Cheney and Bernie Sanders are supporting the same candidate. 209 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 4: That seems pretty good to me. I think Trump has 210 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: proven not to be able to move much north of 211 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: certainly forty seven percent. And you look at the polls, 212 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 4: but it's always better when the polls jib with what 213 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: you're actually seeing. What is he doing to outreach the 214 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 4: other voters that's working. I don't see that he's really 215 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: doing anything. So the question in these campaigns is always 216 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: would you rather be your guy the other guy? I'd 217 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 4: rather be Harris Waltz. 218 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, because it's funny because it's like everyone I 219 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: know is vacillating between feeling okay and feeling freaked out. 220 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: But the thing that. 221 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: I'm struck by, and again the polls have not buried 222 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: that much, is doing everything you could possibly be doing, right, 223 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Like she's going on box is trying to go on, Rogan, 224 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: can you talk to us about this? I mean it 225 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: feels like a play to trim the margins. Is that 226 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: what it is? And since you're a campaign guy, you 227 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: really can speak to exactly how it works. 228 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing. You sit in those rooms and 229 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: pretty soon you're scratching your head about what can we 230 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: do that's different and it's really difficult. And you look 231 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 4: at the map and somebody says, you know, we should 232 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 4: go to Richmond, we should go to Arie, we should 233 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 4: go to Detroit, we should go to Grand Rapids. And 234 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: the answer is yes, you can't do them all. So 235 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: every day is Sophie's choice, right, and by going one place, 236 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 4: you can't go the other. I think there's also a 237 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: dirty little secret in campaigning that the correlation between where 238 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 4: you campaign and impact on the votes is very dubious. 239 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: Oh that's very interesting, you really think so well. 240 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 4: In the Romney campaign, at some point I asked myself, 241 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: you know, we spend all this time and all this 242 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: money running all over the world. Doesn't really matter. So 243 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: we started polling like four days before we went into 244 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 4: a market, pulling the day we're in the market, and 245 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 4: four days afterwards, and what we found was it was 246 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: pretty consistently about a point and a half bump, but 247 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: then that point and a half bump reset within seventy 248 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: two hours. So we thought about this and pondered it 249 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 4: in profound ways and decided that we didn't know what 250 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 4: it meant. We kept doing the same thing. We didn't 251 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 4: know what else to do. So, you know, did Hillary Clinton? 252 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: They say, oh, she lost in Michigan because she didn't 253 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: go there. Well, that she lose Pennsylvania because she went 254 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 4: too much right right right? Who knows? Yeah, So you know, 255 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 4: causality is always the most difficult thing in politics. But 256 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: you know, if you look at the state of these 257 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: two campaigns, and I think of it like a sports team, 258 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 4: the Harris campaign, to me has composure. They're calm, they 259 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 4: have a sense of purpose. They are I think, in 260 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: a good tone between confident, but not Erica, where at 261 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: the campaign has clearly lost its composure. I would say 262 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: this has been true since the day that Biden got out, 263 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: and there was a question would this be temporary when 264 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: they figured out how to run against Harris? And I 265 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: think the answer is they haven't figured out how to 266 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: run against Terrace, right So I mean, there's not a poll, 267 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 4: a focus group, or a strategist in the world that 268 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 4: told Donald Trump, Look, the way to finish this race 269 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: is saying that we're going to have military tribunals for 270 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: citizens in generals. That means, like we tested that it works. Great, 271 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 4: focus groups love it. Let me tell you he's out 272 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 4: there doing it. There's no focus group or a poll 273 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 4: in the world that told him to go out and 274 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: say you're the daddy of ava, which he did today. 275 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 276 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: That was crazy, Yeah, crazy and creepy. Yeah, he said 277 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: that before They're lost. 278 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: And you know, we now know the Chris Hasovita according 279 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: to Daily Beast, you know, making around twenty two million. 280 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 4: So I mean, you say to Chris, okay, Chris, you 281 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: could always threaten to quit if he doesn't do what 282 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 4: you say. What are the odds that's going to happen? 283 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: Not very good? You know, it's an irony here that 284 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: Donald Trump disposedly great businessman is the biggest sucker for 285 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: political consult Brad parcels Chris, they just up the truck 286 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: and he's like, okay, great. I think that there's a 287 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: closing argument that the Harris campaign has I've always thought 288 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: that they needed to do two things. I thought the 289 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: same for Biden. It transfers to Harris, they need to 290 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 4: be for the future. And I was ecstatic when Harris 291 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: hit on this don't go back thing. But in America 292 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 4: we are very hesitant to pass the church backwards. And 293 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: you know, it is true that no one's been elected 294 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 4: president's the seating a member of their own party who's older. 295 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: We just don't do that. We go to the younger. 296 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: And I think they have to be the safe choice. 297 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has to be more risky. And I think 298 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: that they're prosecuting that argument. 299 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: And what do you say to people who are like 300 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: freaking out, she's up one, and she's up two, she's 301 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: up three. That's not enough to win the electoral college. 302 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: What I was doing presidential campaign, someone would say, are 303 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: you worried about I would stop them there and say, yes, 304 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: whatever you're about to say, we're worried about it. That's 305 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: your job. But in this world that we live in now, 306 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: he saw Hillary Clinton winning by three million, Biden won 307 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: by seven. I think she'll win by more. I just 308 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: don't see where the universe of voters available to Trump 309 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: is expanding. I am super confident that at the end 310 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 4: of the day, the Trump Black vote will be under 311 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 4: ten percent. Right, nineteen sixty four, gold Order got seven percent. 312 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty Trump got eight that's one point every fifty years. 313 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: Don't think that's gonna really change, you know. I think 314 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: the last Biden got like maybe thirteen percent of black men. 315 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 4: As always talk about black men, but he got like 316 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: ninety six percent of black women. Trump will probably do 317 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: better with black men and black women, but it's going 318 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: to average out. So I think that's one of the 319 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: factors when you look at these polls and they're saying, well, 320 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: she's getting eighty percent. I've seen this in so many 321 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 4: Republican polls. I mean all my life. I saw our 322 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,479 Speaker 4: candidate getting in states that had a signific black population, 323 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: good pollsters right up to election day. I can't tell 324 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: you how many times fifteen, sixteen, seventeen percent of the 325 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: black vote, but I can tell you how many times 326 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 4: it happened. Never, right, No, eight nine, that's what we're 327 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: going to get. So there's usually a trend that younger 328 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: voters tend to gravitate more to the Democratic Party at 329 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: the end as to Hispanics. So this is startling number 330 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 4: that is out there now that for the first time 331 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: in modern history, Harris is on track to win white women, right. 332 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Romney won them by seventeen points, 333 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 4: you know, which is again one of my pet little 334 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: issues here we don't talk about race enough. I mean, 335 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 4: if I said to you Mitt, Romney won voters under 336 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 4: thirty against Obama, it's true if we're talking about white voters, 337 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 4: Obama had a huge gender gap. With Romney. He won 338 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 4: women by like sixteen points. Here you have they're white. Justice. 339 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 4: Trump never won the working class if you consider working 340 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 4: class was to make under seventy five thousand dollars. Here 341 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 4: on whiteworp, Trump loses ninety percent of the evangelical vote 342 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 4: if they're black. There's something luck that's we have to 343 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 4: look at that enough and to talk about it, because 344 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 4: I think you can make a very good case that 345 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: all of our politics is driven by race. Trump's coalition 346 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 4: eighty five percent white, the country is fifty nine percent white. 347 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 4: That is a dynamic that if for the first time 348 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 4: a Democrat can win a majority of white women or 349 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 4: white men, that would be extraordinary. And you know, there 350 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 4: was a looked like Hillary Clinton was going to win 351 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: college educated Republican, which Goldwater won college educated republic You 352 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 4: know this, But then the COMI letter happened and he 353 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 4: lost just enough problem to push Trump up. 354 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: And his closing message really is authoritarianism. 355 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: Yes, it's you know, he's daring people not to vote 356 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: for him. It's you know, blaming the Jews. It is 357 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 4: going to be your fault if I lose. They don't 358 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 4: have any ground game at all. 359 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: Right, well they have Elon living in Yeah. 360 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: The thing we're to start a superbact. We're going to 361 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 4: put up a ground game. If Elon must volt that, 362 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 4: it just you know, it shows he knows nothing. 363 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: About in Pennsylvania. 364 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I always ask myself, could Elon Must get 365 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 4: elected governor of Pennsylvania. I don't think so. 366 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. 367 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not a long history of you know, South 368 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: African weirdos getting you wretched. I think the trend here 369 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: is what kept and theres been a trend. You have 370 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 4: to really look at this pre Biden dropout. So Trump 371 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: and polls say was three points up over Biden. Then 372 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 4: you go to Harris. Now Harris is anywhere from two 373 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: to five points out. That's six or seven points different. 374 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 4: That is a massive shift in today's politics. We wouldn't 375 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: have seen anything like this since when Clinton was running 376 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 4: in third place in May of the ninety two and 377 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: ended up winning. So I don't know. I mean, I 378 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 4: think the race is very stable. It is extraordinary that 379 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 4: the Harris campaign hasn't had a disastrous day. I've always 380 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 4: said it's impossible to get electric president without being humiliated 381 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: is how you react to it. But so far they 382 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: have avoided that. She's performed at a very high level. 383 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 4: I think there's a factor here that this campaign on 384 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: the ground was built to elect Joe Biden. I think 385 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: that they looked at this and they said, we're going 386 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: to have to have a really fantastic ground game to 387 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 4: win it. So they overbuilt it, and Harris is inheriting that. 388 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: So I don't know. I just don't know what aspect 389 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: of the campaign you would point to and you would 390 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 4: say Donald Trump is beating Harris. 391 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, explained to our listeners why Donald Trump wants you 392 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: to sing that he's winning. 393 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: Oh well, that goes back to his whole you know, 394 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: positive thinking, the art of positive thinking, to be able 395 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 4: to sell people on that. The way that he would 396 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: sell buildings. This is going to be the highest building 397 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: or you know, the royals are going to live here. 398 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: All these lives, He's always sold live It's always been 399 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 4: a lie. You know, he's the guy calling gossip. Colin 400 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: has paid sixth cold. They're saying that, you know, Donald 401 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 4: on their soon name, saying Donald Trump is going out 402 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: with some moly shar. He's always lived in this fiction world. 403 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: There is an enthusiasm factor, and there is some data 404 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: to show that people tend to vote for who they think, 405 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 4: to some degree, who they think will win. 406 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: But you will. 407 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Remember that she has a ten point higher enthusiasm gap 408 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: than he does. Right, Democrats are ten points more enthusiastic 409 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: about their pan today. 410 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and all this talk about undecided voters, I really 411 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 4: think that's a wrong terminology for it. I don't really 412 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 4: think that these voters are so much undecided as they 413 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: are deciding. Maybe one day they'll be for Harrison. I 414 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: don't know, Maybe it may it'll be for Trump. They're 415 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 4: not thinking about it. But the way they will break 416 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: is based upon the favorable unfavorables of the candidate. Right, 417 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 4: think about it. You wake up an election day, are 418 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: you going to go vote for somebody of an unfavorable 419 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: opinion on no either not going to vote. You're going 420 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 4: to leave him off the ballot? Why would give you that? 421 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 4: So when you know, you look at poles and you 422 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 4: look at undecided, it's Haley. Barbera used to always ask me, 423 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: what's the ballot and amongst the undercideds, And what he 424 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: meant was, what's the fave unfavor of one guy against 425 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: the other guy? Because that will be how they break. Now, 426 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 4: if they both have equal unfavorables and favorables, then they'll 427 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: probably be a wash. But Harris has an advanty with 428 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: that huge. So I don't know. I think that the 429 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: Democratic Party probably, you know, forgetting just the Democratic Party. 430 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 4: A lot of Americans, if not the world, have sort 431 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: of a PTSD after sixteen. But what we forget is 432 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has won one race in his life at 433 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 4: forty six point one percent of the vote right and 434 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 4: Republicans decided that that changed the world, and all every 435 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 4: day we knew about politics are wrong. I don't think 436 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: it is. And when you look at Trump, like candidates 437 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: in these states, like the guy ran for governor in 438 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 4: twenty two against Shapiro, he got crushed Mark Robinson in 439 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: North Carolina. If you're gonna get. 440 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: Crossed, can we talk about the down ballot candidates for 441 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: a minute, because, for example, in Wisconsin, you have Tammy 442 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: Baldwin ahead by four, sometimes as much as eight, sometimes six. 443 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: I've seen as little as two. 444 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: But he has a range of pulling significantly in a 445 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: very like definitive way. 446 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: Right. 447 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: I mean, even though Cook did move it to toss up, 448 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: I think that most of the calls, if you aggregated 449 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: him fairly, would show that he's at least as ahead 450 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: as Rip Scott is in Florida or. 451 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: As Ted Cruz is in Texas. 452 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 4: Right. 453 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: You know, Ted Cruse may be a little left, but 454 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: she has a commanding lead that's at least two points. So, 455 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: but then you have the top of the ticket so tight, 456 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: and even like Arizona, let's talk about Arizona, you have 457 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: Reuben Diego ahead by eight, nine, ten points, and then 458 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: you have the top of the ticket so tight. So 459 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: does that mean that there are going to be all 460 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: of these Trump voters who vote for Trump Diego or 461 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: does that mean that these people are going to vote 462 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: for Trump and then leave the bottom of the ticket bike, 463 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, can you make this polling disparity makes sense. 464 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: Well, it would be very rare to have an undervote 465 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: in a Senate race versus the presidential right, I think 466 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: what you're seeing there is the lack of a coherent 467 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 4: Republican message and what is the bargain that you get 468 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 4: when you vote Republicans? And that's very unusual in a campaign. 469 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 4: I mean every campaign that I've we tried to present 470 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: a bargain. This is what you'll get. Now. Sometimes we 471 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 4: are successful some times, but at least there was a 472 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: coherent argument to put there. Trump doesn't have that unless 473 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: you buy that you can't go outside of your house 474 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: because of you know, aliens or of space. 475 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: Well, he's trying to run on the border, right, he's 476 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: trying to use the border. 477 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 4: I think that it's one of these things that is 478 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 4: not as present an issue in people's lives as If 479 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 4: you ask him in a poll you worried about the border, 480 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: you'll probably say yes. I mean no, not at all. Sure, 481 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: say yes doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's going to 482 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: decide your vote, which is where you get into this 483 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 4: whole thing or regression analysis. You know who's the terrorism? 484 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 4: Not many, but how many people are deciding your vote 485 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: on who's going to be toughest on terrorism. That's a 486 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 4: much small in number. I find it difficult to believe 487 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 4: that if Republican loses Lake loses by nine points in Arizona, 488 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: that Harris won't win. And I think how many of 489 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 4: these demic candidate in blues state, I mean, are a 490 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 4: battleground state. Are they really out there dying a campaign 491 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: with Donald Trump? Not a lot? And I think that's 492 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 4: very telling. So could already win. 493 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: He sure could, right, especially if they're under rating her 494 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: bullet her what to her performance. 495 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: It's very hard. There's a certain limit at which people 496 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: will not split their votes. I dealt with this in 497 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: painful in detail when Bill Well as governor ran against 498 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: John Kerry, a senator. You down and Bill Well had 499 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 4: favorables about fifty points higher than John Carrey's, but he lost. 500 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 4: Right Now, part of the reason for that was that 501 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 4: there was a fall in the sort of conceit because 502 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: if you liked votes, if you voted for carry, you 503 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 4: got to keep well with governor. Right, But Dole got 504 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 4: thirty three percent in Massachusetts, and in all our modeling, 505 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 4: dol had to get at least thirty six percent, well 506 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: to win and you go with thirty six percent, it's 507 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 4: not like a big lift. But he got thirty three, 508 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 4: and there just is a limit. 509 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: You know. 510 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: This is what Hogan is dealing with in Maryland. It 511 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 4: is how much is Harris going to win Maryland buys? 512 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: It becomes very. 513 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: Difficult, right, It's impossible that there's just not the kind 514 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: of split ticket voting you need for that, right, It really. 515 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: Becomes difficult at a certain point. I mean, if you 516 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 4: look at when Ja d Vance was on the ballot 517 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 4: in Ohio, the one time he's on the ballot, it 518 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 4: is extraordinary that he got four hundred thousand fewer votes 519 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 4: than Dewan. 520 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: He underperformed about twenty points behind the governor, right. 521 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: Sake, I mean four votes. I means four hundred thousand 522 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 4: people woke up and said I'm going to go vote 523 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: with de Want, but I'm not going to vote for 524 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 4: this guy Van. That's really really unusual. 525 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: And still Trump picked him as his running made. 526 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 4: Yep. So look, I mean, is the race winnable for Trump? 527 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: I mean you have to say, sure, yeah, one of 528 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 4: these two people is gonna win. But I think that 529 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 4: the odds that Harris will win are significantly greater. You know, 530 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 4: I look at these betting markets. You know, I've always 531 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 4: found these to be just sort of indications of lack 532 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: of knowledge rather than inside knowledge. It never really seemed 533 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: relevant to me. 534 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem like much. Tell me what she 535 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: should do? What should her closing argument be? What should 536 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: she be doing now? 537 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 4: I think she ought to be out there constantly contrasting 538 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: with Trump. I thought they did a brilliant thing. Was 539 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 4: he yesterday at the rally? In the ear He seems 540 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 4: like a million years ago. Yeah, So somebody came up 541 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 4: with the idea like, we need the contrast for Trump. 542 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 4: How do we keep Trump? You go, let's put his 543 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 4: damn rally on the screen in our rally and show people. 544 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 4: And let me tell you, if I was in that campaign, 545 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: I would go by that person a drink. That was 546 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: very simple but brilliant, and I don't do it's ever 547 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: been done before. So they have to keep it as 548 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 4: a referendum on Trump. Trump needs to be the incumbent 549 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 4: in this race, and incumbents tend to get what they 550 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 4: get in the tracking, and I think that they understand that. Listen, 551 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 4: I think they're running a brilliant campaign, and I think 552 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 4: you can look back on this at odds are as 553 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 4: one of the most perfectly executed campaigns that we've seen. 554 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: Ask how that happened, Why it happened. I think a 555 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: lot of reasons. I think there's a Biden's campaign tream 556 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 4: in twenty I think was underestimated and didn't get enough 557 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 4: appreciation to beat an incumbent president. The last incumbent president 558 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 4: who lost it wasn't in the federal funding system where 559 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: both candidates got the same amount of money was Herbert Hoover, 560 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: and he had a bed either. I think they got 561 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 4: the better candidate, the better campaign, the better message, and 562 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 4: they have more resources. 563 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: George Stevens, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you now. 564 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 4: Thank you. Molly. 565 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 566 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term could be? Well, so are we, 567 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make 568 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: a limited series with the experts on what a disaster 569 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now, 570 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five 571 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly john 572 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you 573 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber, 574 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: you can hit play and put your phone in the 575 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: lock screen and it will play back just like a podcast. 576 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. We need to educate 577 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do 578 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: to this. 579 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: Country, So please watch it and spread the word. 580 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: Joyce Craig is the Democratic nominee for governor of the 581 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: Great State of New Hampshire. 582 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Joyce crag Lollie. 583 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 5: It's great to be here. 584 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 4: Thank you. 585 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: So tell us what you're running for and what your 586 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: sort of trajectory is. Yeah, so I am running for 587 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: a governor of New Hampshire. 588 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 5: For the last six years I served as mayor of Manchester, 589 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 5: the largest city in New Hampshire. Have been dealing with 590 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 5: our state wide challenges and it's one of the reasons 591 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 5: why I'm running. We've gotten very little support from the 592 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 5: state and I know we can be doing better in 593 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: New Hampshire. Reproductive freedom is under attack, our public schools 594 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 5: are under attack. We have a housing crisis, and you know, 595 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 5: we haven't focused on decreasing energy costs for our residents. 596 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 5: So there's a lot that needs to be done, and 597 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 5: you know, as Mayor of Manchester, I have the hands 598 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 5: on experience of getting things done and really want to 599 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 5: bring results to families across our state. 600 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: New Hampshire is a really interesting state because it was 601 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: for a long time a swing state now less so right. 602 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what we're seeing now is the majority 603 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 5: of voters in New Hampshire are considered purples. They wrote 604 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 5: for the people, and you know, in New Hampshire we 605 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 5: pride ourselves on retail politics, so we spend a lot 606 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 5: of time knocking on doors, having conversations with residents and 607 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 5: small businesses, really listening to their concerns and then you know, 608 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 5: taking that information back and building policy to make our 609 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 5: lives better in New Hampshire. What we're seeing right now 610 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 5: is a coordinated campaign, a really strong coordinated campaign. They 611 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 5: have about one hundred employees here with eighteen offices across 612 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 5: the state. We have a number of volunteers who are 613 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 5: coming out every single day to knock doors, to make 614 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 5: phone calls, to write postcards, and you know, I just 615 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 5: feel really optimistic in terms of what we can do 616 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 5: in our state. And I'll just mention, you know, the 617 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 5: race for governor is the number one flip of opportunity 618 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 5: that we have in the country, and so it's critically 619 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 5: important that we focus in on this and flip this seat. 620 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: I think that's a really important point. 621 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: Explain to us why it's so important to have a 622 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: democratic governor in this state of New Hampshire. 623 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, so for the last eight years we've had a 624 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 5: Republican governor who really has stood in the way of 625 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 5: any progress. I mentioned reproductive freedom, and he prides himself 626 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 5: on signing the first ever abortion ban in modern history 627 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 5: in New Hampshire into effect. He has basically had an 628 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 5: education commissioner who, together they implemented a dangerous voucher scheme 629 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 5: that's siphoning millions of dollars away from our public schools 630 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 5: and putting them toward private and religious schools, which is 631 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 5: absolutely wrong. We've not really done anything to address climate 632 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 5: change or decrease energy costs for our residence, and we 633 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 5: are in the midst of a housing crisis. We could 634 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 5: be doing so much more, and there's a stark difference about, 635 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 5: you know, sort of where I stand and where my 636 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 5: opponent in this race stands. 637 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 1: New Hampshire has a lot of waterfront Rhode Island has 638 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: been one of these states that has a lot of 639 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: waterfront that has been very involved in climate action because 640 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: of rising sea levels. 641 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: Talk to me about what it's like in New Hampshire. 642 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're encountering the same thing and we are seeing, 643 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 5: you know, what we used to call these once in 644 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 5: a lifetime storms happening now almost on an annual basis. 645 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 5: The state is, you know, making changes and addressing the 646 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 5: storms when it comes to infrastructure, but we're doing it 647 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 5: year after year after year, and we really need to 648 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 5: start focusing on sustainability and making sure what we're doing 649 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 5: will withhold these storms and make sure we are protecting 650 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 5: you know, the beautiful state. You mentioned the waterfront that 651 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 5: we have here. You know, that's not something that's happened 652 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 5: and it's something that we have worked with experts across 653 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 5: our state. We put forward an energy policy and we're 654 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 5: focused on doing that. You know, in New Hampshire we 655 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 5: pay some of the highest energy costs and we really 656 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 5: have to look at how can we decrease costs for 657 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 5: residents and businesses and by doing that, you know, we 658 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 5: need to diversify our energy and again protect the beautiful 659 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 5: state that we live in. 660 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, New Hampshire has a pretty interesting tax structure which 661 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: has served Democrats. 662 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: Will you explain to us sort of how it works there. 663 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, So in New Hampshire we do not have a 664 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 5: sales or an income tax, and you know, as a 665 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 5: candidate for governor, I have said that I would veto 666 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 5: a sales or an income tax if it would come 667 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 5: across my desk. So really what we have to focus 668 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 5: in on is how do we best decrease local property 669 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 5: taxes we're seeing right now in New Hampshire. Is I 670 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 5: mentioned the state isn't funding public ad education, for example, 671 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 5: and when they don't fund public education, that gets pushed 672 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 5: down into the local communities and affects our local property taxes, 673 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 5: and coming from a local level, I understand that and 674 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: want to change that process. I think it's really important 675 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 5: to note as well that you know, my opponent is 676 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 5: all for giving tax breaks to the most wealthy, to 677 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 5: millionaires in the state of New Hampshire, like herself. That 678 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 5: again would increase property taxes for our hard working families, 679 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 5: and that's where my focus is, how do we decrease 680 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 5: costs for hardworking families. 681 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: You were the mayor of Manchester. How does being a 682 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: mayor inform what you sort of want to do as governor? 683 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, certainly being mayor, and I have to say 684 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 5: of my hometown was an incredible opportunity for me. You know, 685 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 5: I'm a fourth generation resident of this state and was 686 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 5: able to work with my community that raised me to 687 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 5: make my city stronger. So, you know, being a mayor, 688 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 5: you're on the front lines dealing with many of our 689 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 5: state wide challenges, and so I was able to implement 690 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 5: evidence based solutions to address these challenges. So you know, 691 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 5: for example, when it comes to housing, I was able 692 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 5: to allocate thirty million dollars toward affordable housing and we 693 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 5: now have two thousand homes and apartments in development. When 694 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 5: I took office, crime rates had hit historic eyes and 695 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 5: so I immediately got to work with our police department. 696 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 5: We hired more police officers to be on the streets 697 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 5: to build relationships with our community, and we worked together 698 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: and we saw a forty percent decrease in violent crime. 699 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 5: Manchester is home to the largest planned parenthood in the state, 700 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 5: and we were seeing, you know, issues with planned parenthood 701 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 5: not being funding and families not being able to access 702 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 5: the services that they needed, so I supported and partnered 703 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 5: with Planned Parenthood to make sure that families had the 704 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 5: access to affordable, quality, reproductive healthcare that they needed. 705 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: Right exactly, And that makes a lot of sense. 706 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: What do you think the sort of big issues for 707 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: New Hampshire Urians is? Is that how you say it, 708 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: Granite Staters, grantede staters, Okay? 709 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 5: You know, one of the things that continues to come 710 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 5: up as I'm traveling around the state is the concern 711 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 5: about reproductive freedom in New Hampshire. We are the only 712 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 5: state in New England that hasn't codified access to abortion, 713 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 5: and we saw this past session Republicans actually propose a 714 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 5: fifteen day and then a fifteen week abortion ban and 715 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 5: those failed. But as long as access to abortion is 716 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 5: not codified into law, we will continue to see these 717 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 5: threats on reproductive freedom. And I think it's really important 718 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 5: to note that, you know, my opponent, Kelly Ayott, as 719 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 5: a Senator, voted multiple times for a national abortion ban. 720 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 5: She voted multiple times to defund Planned Parenthood, and has 721 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 5: said if elected governor, she would continue to defund Planned Parenthood. 722 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 5: You may recall that she was the person who shepherded 723 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: Neil Gorshich through the Supreme Court process and then celebrated 724 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 5: when Roe v. 725 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: Wade was overturned. 726 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 5: And so we cannot trust her when it comes to 727 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 5: reproductive healthcare in our state. You know, I trust women 728 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 5: to make their own health care decisions, and I will 729 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 5: fight to make sure it stays that way. 730 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a senator, and she has the Senate 731 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: voting record. Do you feel like voters are tuned in 732 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: to voting records. 733 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 5: Well, we're making sure they are, you know, So you know, 734 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 5: it's something that we're highlighting in ads. For example, we're 735 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 5: using her own words to show to residence in our 736 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 5: state where she stands on these issues. And while she 737 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 5: may be trying to communicate a different message. Now, as 738 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 5: my mother used to tell me, your actions speak louder 739 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 5: than your words. And we've seen what she's done in 740 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 5: the past, and we cannot trust any thing that she says. 741 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 5: Right now, she's basically saying and doing anything she can 742 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 5: to get elected. 743 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: I mean that's sort of what Trump's doing too, right. 744 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 5: Well, And yeah, and speaking of Donald Trump, you may 745 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 5: recall that, you know, in twenty sixteen, Kella Aodd had said, 746 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 5: you know, I can't support Donald Trump because he's sexually 747 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 5: assaulted woman and it's the wrong thing to do. And 748 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 5: now he's sexually assaulted woman, it caused an insurrection, and 749 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 5: he is a convicted criminal. He's now her choice for president. 750 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think Republicans are just doing this because 751 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: it's expedient and they want his voters? 752 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean, is there any more to it than that? 753 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 4: You know? 754 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 5: I wish I knew the answer to that question. It 755 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 5: doesn't make sense to me. As we're having conversations with 756 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 5: residents across the state. You know, people understand what happened. 757 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 5: We have Republicans who are supporting us and supporting Kamala 758 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 5: Harris because they know that that's the right thing to do. 759 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 5: But you've got these politicians who are continuing along this line, 760 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 5: you know, for whatever reason. But I have to trust 761 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 5: that people have been paying attention and all of the 762 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 5: work that's happening on the ground here in New Hampshire 763 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 5: and across our country. 764 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 2: You know, it'll all work out. Yeah, that makes sense 765 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 2: A man. I hope so too. 766 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: And I do feel like it's such an important race 767 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: and just explain to us sort of the governorship. I mean, 768 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: if Trump wins, which we don't think you well, and 769 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: we certainly hope he doesn't. But governors can sort of 770 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: protect their state from some of the worst of trump Ism, right. 771 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, Molly, And that's why this election is 772 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 5: so important. We've seen the impact that governors have had 773 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 5: protecting their states and advocating for their states and making 774 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 5: a positive change in the lives of so many. We're 775 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 5: seeing important decisions, you know, being pushed down to the 776 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 5: state level to governors, and that's why this election is 777 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 5: so critically important. 778 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, in normal time, when Liz Cheney doesn't have to 779 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: come out for Vice President Harris, in a normal time, 780 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: you would be able to have a Republican governor because 781 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: they would be Republicans, would be sane. But right now 782 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: we are in such an extraordinary moment in American life, 783 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: and we don't know what's going to happen, right with 784 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: another Trump administration. He's promised already to run as an Autocrat. 785 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 5: Right, and to do away with basically public education. I mean, 786 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 5: it's just it's not what we need for families to 787 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 5: thrive in our country, right, And so we need strong 788 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 5: governors to stand up for the values of hard working 789 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 5: families and that's exactly what I've done, you know, my 790 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 5: entire career. 791 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: Right exactly. And I think that's a really good point. 792 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: Will you sort of tell us a little bit about 793 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: what you're seeing. I just want like, what's the mood 794 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire And has the change at the top 795 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 1: of the ticket changed the trajectory of the race? 796 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: Sure? 797 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 5: So, we certainly did see a change in enthusiasm and 798 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 5: volunteers when there was a change at the top of 799 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 5: the ticket. I will say, you know, in New Hampshire, 800 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 5: we did everything with a right in biding campaign. He 801 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 5: has tremendous support here in New Hampshire, and I will 802 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 5: tell you you know, as mayor, I worked with his 803 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 5: administration and the federal delegation here and you know, we 804 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 5: won some really competitive federal grants and as a result 805 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 5: have over one hundred million dollars of federal funds coming 806 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 5: into the city, you know, to increase jobs and increase 807 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 5: investments in infrastructure and so much more. So, you know, 808 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 5: tremendously grateful for the Biden Harris administration. But you know, 809 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 5: when the change at the top of the ticket happened, 810 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 5: we saw volunteers come out who had I had never 811 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 5: seen before. 812 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: You know, our. 813 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 5: Campaign offices have been full of people really excited to 814 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 5: elect Vice President Harris and Governor Wall. You know, I 815 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,240 Speaker 5: just left today gathering with a number of teachers. Public 816 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 5: education is a passion of mine, and have a teacher 817 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 5: at the top of the ticket is incredibly exciting for 818 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 5: so many of us because, you know, I just truly 819 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 5: believe that quality public education leads to thriving communities and 820 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 5: creates opportunities for our kids and their futures. And to 821 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 5: have you know, the vice president and his wife, the 822 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 5: public school teachers, you know, will just really lift up 823 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 5: this profession and the importance of public education. 824 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: If you have a trumpy relative or undecided relative, what 825 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: is the message. 826 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 5: I think we have to try to find common ground, 827 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 5: and we have to listen to each other. And while 828 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 5: it's really difficult, we've got to hear each other out 829 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 5: and we've got to listen to each other. I have 830 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 5: those relatives, and I know how hard it is. But 831 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we've got to focus 832 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 5: collectively on doing better, doing right for residents in our 833 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 5: state and for me, you know, and I think no 834 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 5: matter what political party you are, it's about cutting costs. 835 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 5: You know, we know that people are having a hard 836 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 5: time cutting costs for people. It's about making sure we 837 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 5: have adequate, affordable housing and quality public education and protecting 838 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 5: our rights. Those are basic needs for families, and those 839 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 5: are the things that we're focused on that I'm focused on. 840 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 5: You know, I'll just point out my opponent. You know, 841 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 5: we are in the midst of a housing crisis in 842 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 5: New Hampshire, across our entire country. She spent the last 843 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 5: eight years on these corporate boards. One of them was Blackstone, 844 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 5: where she's made millions of dollars. This company has jacked 845 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 5: up rents and pushed people out of their homes. It 846 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 5: is like the complete opposite of what we need and 847 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 5: a leader in New Hampshire to address a housing crisis. 848 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: Right, really good point, Thank you, thank you, thank you, 849 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Thank you, We're all. 850 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon by junk Fast. 851 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 3: You know, the uh thing that keeps me up the 852 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 3: most right now is thinking about all the legal fuckery 853 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 3: that we're going to have to be talking about for 854 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 3: weeks after this election is over, and we're already seeing it. 855 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 3: What are you seeing here? 856 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: So Republicans have just been filing lawsuits that are aimed 857 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: at trying to see doubt with the outcome of the 858 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election in the event that Trump loses. 859 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 2: If Trump wins, they will be totally fine with it. 860 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, very unsurprising, but they're doing a 861 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,760 Speaker 1: ton of it. You'll remember that in Georgia, they're making 862 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: it so that ballads need to be hand counted. They 863 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: want to make it so that the certification can be 864 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: delayed so that Mike Johnson can somehow punt this to 865 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. And I think Trump really thinks that 866 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: he has enough juice with this Supreme Court that he 867 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: might be able to have them overturn the election results. 868 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: Think about how scary this is. This feels really really 869 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: scary to me. 870 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 2: And this is where we are. 871 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,920 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 872 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 873 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 874 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,280 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 875 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,359 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. 876 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.