Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heard
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Hello and welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever.
Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harrison. I'm coming to you live this week
Speaker 1: from Orlando, Florida. Beautiful Orlando, Florida, UM, the Sunshine State
Speaker 1: is living up to its name this week. I am
Speaker 1: here for a big golf event with the LPGA Tour,
Speaker 1: and easily the best part of this is that two
Speaker 1: of my very dear friends are here as well, and
Speaker 1: that is Ben Higgins and Wells Adams, and they are
Speaker 1: going to be my guest today on this podcasting. Guys,
Speaker 1: do we have a lot to talk about. There was
Speaker 1: a headline this week and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people will expect me to comment on this, and I
Speaker 1: will tell you right away I'm not going to make
Speaker 1: a comment. I will make mention of this, and that
Speaker 1: is Dianna, one of our former back solorettes, and Steven
Speaker 1: Stagliano are getting divorced. And as somebody who knows them both,
Speaker 1: loves them both, supports them both, and as someone who
Speaker 1: has gone through a very public divorce with kids involved,
Speaker 1: I would never make a comment about this other than
Speaker 1: I support them. I wish them the best during this
Speaker 1: very difficult time and whatever they can do best for
Speaker 1: the kids, I know they will do and I love
Speaker 1: you guys. So with that said, I want to bring
Speaker 1: on my two guests, my dear friends, Ben Higgins and
Speaker 1: Wells Adams. Gentlemen, Welcome. Wow, it's a big deal to
Speaker 1: be here. Mr Chris. It's good to see you. I
Speaker 1: am so happy that I get to be the jerk
Speaker 1: and when we're on the road, make you guys do
Speaker 1: a podcast because I have done both. I have done
Speaker 1: this for both of you, and I begrudgingly said, guys,
Speaker 1: while while we're here in Orlando, we're going to do
Speaker 1: a podcast together. Now, I'm that guy and it's the
Speaker 1: same team from the almost Famous podcasts that's doing your podcast. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're all with I Heart Radio. So it feels weird
Speaker 1: to sit on this side. I feel like I want
Speaker 1: to just reach out and hug everybody that's helping you
Speaker 1: put this on, but I feel like I'm a guest
Speaker 1: here and I can't. We're all grateful to my heart
Speaker 1: and grateful to you guys. This is something that I
Speaker 1: we have all wanted to have happened, where we all
Speaker 1: ended up with the same golf event, and I we're
Speaker 1: not going to bore you with any golf stories. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about that. But this is our conduit to be together. Um,
Speaker 1: whatever your social thing is that brings you together, this
Speaker 1: brings this friendship together. We love golf, we love spending
Speaker 1: time together. And the best part of this week I
Speaker 1: was thinking about was we're getting it both ways. I've
Speaker 1: had my my time with you guys, We've had our
Speaker 1: boy time, and now also our our wives and fiance
Speaker 1: are here, and so we got to hang out, have
Speaker 1: a few drinks, play some golf, talk about all the
Speaker 1: things we wanted to talk about, and now that the
Speaker 1: wives and the ladies are here, we're having a great time,
Speaker 1: but just a different time. It's a different a different dynamic.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad we got to do both. We're all
Speaker 1: grows up with our wives that are golf tournaments. It's
Speaker 1: really horrible. I just think a nap. So both of
Speaker 1: you guys took naps. But you know what's funny is
Speaker 1: that Sarah was like, you know, golf is not her thing,
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, is Lauren coming? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I don't think so, and
Speaker 1: she goes if I can get her to go, she's
Speaker 1: coming because I want to hang out with Lauren and
Speaker 1: jess and she's got her wish well. And you guys,
Speaker 1: did I say you, I mean you the listeners. You know,
Speaker 1: if you know Lauren at all, you know l Z
Speaker 1: doesn't do sports. Um, she's not not into the sporting
Speaker 1: sports stuff. The only reason she is here is because
Speaker 1: Sarah called her and said, you're coming, And then Jesse
Speaker 1: is here as well. And so this is the first
Speaker 1: time we've all been able to hang out together like this,
Speaker 1: with the wives, with the fiance. I can't call her
Speaker 1: a wife yet, we're not quite married. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that in a little bit. But I love that. I
Speaker 1: love that we've all gotten to this point. It's it's
Speaker 1: nice and it's good that, like there's no stress for
Speaker 1: me being like Jessica is gonna hang out with Lauren
Speaker 1: and Sarah, Like it's just I know it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for them to hang out because I'm excited
Speaker 1: for them to spend time together. And when your friends
Speaker 1: meet great people, it just enhances life. Because now they're
Speaker 1: all down here, Jessica walked all eighteen holes of golf
Speaker 1: with me. I have a feeling that was Sarah and
Speaker 1: Lauren here that's going to drastically decrease. Sarah and Lauren
Speaker 1: are going to be at the clubhouse drinking mimosas, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna be feeling great when we finished golf tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I know Elzie's first question, where's the chicouderie? Where's the bar?
Speaker 1: I will see you later. I love you. I will
Speaker 1: see you later, And honestly, it's one of the things
Speaker 1: and we'll talk again, we'll get into all this. But
Speaker 1: one of the things I adore about Lauren, and I
Speaker 1: know this too about Sarah and Jess. She knows it's
Speaker 1: my thing and she loves that. I love this. That's it,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is. It's one of the attributes
Speaker 1: I love most about l Z is that she she
Speaker 1: texts me every day. I hope you're having a great day.
Speaker 1: I hope you're having fun with this. And I know
Speaker 1: that Sarah and Jess supports you guys being here and
Speaker 1: doing stuff like this because it's our thing. We're not
Speaker 1: doing We're not professional by any means. But I love
Speaker 1: that and I love that they're both excited. They're all
Speaker 1: excited that we're here. It's also important for healthy relationships
Speaker 1: for each partner to have a hobby and like a
Speaker 1: thing that they go do. And Sarah realizes, like golf
Speaker 1: is my hobby, and she goes and does her thing,
Speaker 1: and we both can support one another in those things
Speaker 1: and then come together afterwards and be like, oh, how
Speaker 1: is your day? Was horse riding horses fund today? Or
Speaker 1: was dancing fund today? Was golf fund today? And I
Speaker 1: think that's cornerstone like a really healthy relationship. It is tough.
Speaker 1: Your thing doesn't necessarily need to be my thing and
Speaker 1: vice versa. Do you and jess have that too? Um,
Speaker 1: Jessica's you know, she's a former college athlete, so a
Speaker 1: lot of her thing. She loves going on long walks
Speaker 1: by herself with her headphones and listening to a book
Speaker 1: she loves to read. Um, she works out, and I
Speaker 1: in my marriage, it's only been a year, but she
Speaker 1: fully supports me going to golf. No, I don't want
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that and go every day of
Speaker 1: the week and you know, say hey, I'll see in
Speaker 1: you know never, but a hundred percent we have her
Speaker 1: own thing. We come together uh, and that was kind
Speaker 1: of uh. A pillar when we got married is that
Speaker 1: we're gonna always keep our own things so that we
Speaker 1: have something to talk about the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Also like we have something interesting to share with each other.
Speaker 1: If not, it gets you know, boring, It's funny. I
Speaker 1: was distracted because something just went off on your phone
Speaker 1: and I see this beautiful picture of Jessica on your
Speaker 1: and but you mentioned her being a track star. So Jessica,
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, was an absolute
Speaker 1: stod at Old Miss, a track star. Um Wells also
Speaker 1: went to Old Miss. Totally different kind of rock star,
Speaker 1: totally different experience at Old Miss. Yeah, I was running
Speaker 1: a lot, but it was from the law. So I
Speaker 1: apologize to all the listeners because I I we totally
Speaker 1: got sidetracked and I have buried the lead. So when
Speaker 1: we come back, we will jump into the tea that
Speaker 1: has spilled in Orlando. Goodness, the drama that has enveloped
Speaker 1: this event when we returned. Welcome back to the most
Speaker 1: dramatic podcast ever. Chris Harrison here in Orlando with two
Speaker 1: very good friends, Ben Higgins and Wells Adams. So we
Speaker 1: arrived last Tuesday for this event. Before I get on
Speaker 1: the plane, I get a text message from Ben Higgins
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and it's our our lockers. They're
Speaker 1: nice enough to give you lockers at this event. It
Speaker 1: says Chris Harrison on the locker. It says Ben Higgins
Speaker 1: on the locker sea alphabetic order. Next to Ben Higgins
Speaker 1: is Chris Lane, country music star. Do I do? I
Speaker 1: need to explain who Chris Lane is and this whole thing,
Speaker 1: so can I? What's the thumbnail sketch of this? I
Speaker 1: think you probably have listeners outside of back stor Nation.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to explain the the whole situation. Okay,
Speaker 1: I will try to explain this very quick. This is
Speaker 1: the thirty thousand foot flyover. Ben Higgins was the bachelor.
Speaker 1: At one point he was engaged to a very nice
Speaker 1: woman named Lauren. They broke up amicably, and Lauren has
Speaker 1: since gotten married and had children with country music star
Speaker 1: Chris Lane. And we are all together here at the
Speaker 1: Gulf Tournament in Orlando, and his locker is right next
Speaker 1: to Ben Higgins. I mean, and when you say right
Speaker 1: next to it's it's right next to me mine. Before
Speaker 1: this tournament, I haven't seen Laurence since we broke up,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I've seen her once. And uh,
Speaker 1: obviously life now has moved far beyond that relationship, but
Speaker 1: that relationship still is an important season or you know,
Speaker 1: time in my life. And so I would be lying
Speaker 1: if I if I wasn't a little anxious about the
Speaker 1: idea of, you know, being at this tournament with Lauren
Speaker 1: and Chris and then also Lauren's family, who I imagined
Speaker 1: was going to be coming down, and no matter what,
Speaker 1: we're all adults, So I wasn't worried about the outcome
Speaker 1: or how we'd handle it. I was mostly just saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a fun week of golf. This is gonna
Speaker 1: feel odd, you know that first running like what's that
Speaker 1: gonna be? Like? You just I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: out there, and maybe I'm wrong, is like super jacked
Speaker 1: to see somebody who they've split ways within their life,
Speaker 1: you know, amicably, but they split ways with them. So
Speaker 1: I was I was anxious about it, um and then
Speaker 1: to walk into the locker room and see that, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be definitely running into each other, Like there's
Speaker 1: there's some people that Serma, I haven't seen yet at all.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him ever. But no, we're gonna be.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be putting our shoes on, changing together, changing,
Speaker 1: showering together, sna ing together. Um. So I have so
Speaker 1: many things, and there's another great story coming up about dinner.
Speaker 1: But just to give you the details, Lauren is not here.
Speaker 1: She didn't come. Um, she's I believe, home with the kids.
Speaker 1: Lauren's dad is here. I talked to him. I talked
Speaker 1: to Chris and and his brother. His twin brother is here,
Speaker 1: Caddy and for him, and Lauren's dad is here. He
Speaker 1: came up and said hi to me as well. But
Speaker 1: as far as when we would run into them, it
Speaker 1: happened the first night. Wells and Ben and I are
Speaker 1: at the bar here at this beautiful hotel, and sitting
Speaker 1: two ft away at the bar is Chris Lane, his
Speaker 1: bandmates and his brother and you're right there. Did you
Speaker 1: guys have a moment? Did you say hello? Hug it out? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure for him, he obviously no. You
Speaker 1: know knows our history as well. So right away I
Speaker 1: saw him. He didn't see me, so this that he
Speaker 1: was kind of had his his head turn and I
Speaker 1: walked up and I said, Hey, Chris, good to see you.
Speaker 1: I just I had told Jessica like I wanted to
Speaker 1: say hi. I mean, one, he has a there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that congratulate him. On to two children,
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Chris and Lauren. God bless him. Um. And
Speaker 1: you know he's down here at the Gloss for the
Speaker 1: first time. This is my fourth year, so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a vet at this and so I just I well,
Speaker 1: I told her, I was like, if I see him,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go say hi because I would like
Speaker 1: to say hi anyways. Um, and so I did. I
Speaker 1: just walked up and I said, hey, Chris, and I
Speaker 1: will tell you, Um, it has been nothing but great. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's been nice to to talk to him. It wasn't
Speaker 1: It's not been the only time I've talked to him.
Speaker 1: It's there's been four or five now run ins and
Speaker 1: encounters and we talked golf and and then Lauren's dad
Speaker 1: and I were able to catch up. Um. He actually
Speaker 1: said hi to me. I didn't. I walked past him
Speaker 1: and he said Ben, which felt really good. Um. I
Speaker 1: wish it was you bed Son come home. Definitely not Yeah,
Speaker 1: not no, I think he's very happy with where his
Speaker 1: life shook out. But um, yeah, it's there's just a
Speaker 1: lot to break down. It's hard to explain that moment
Speaker 1: and how to handle it well. And but I will
Speaker 1: tell you, Chris was it was really nice and it's
Speaker 1: been fun to be around them at this tournament and
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did it like it. You know, when
Speaker 1: you go through a breakup, there's always that moment where
Speaker 1: like the band aid gets ripped off afterwards and then
Speaker 1: you can start to heal. I kind of and I
Speaker 1: don't even know, but they kind of felt like that
Speaker 1: a little bit too, where it's just like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: Lauren comes down tomorrow, I don't know if she is
Speaker 1: or not, and I run into her, it will be
Speaker 1: good to see her, Like, it will be nice to
Speaker 1: just like say, okay, we've done this next chapter of
Speaker 1: our lives. You disagree, no way. Man, If my girlfriend
Speaker 1: was my ex girlfriend was here, I'd be like, I
Speaker 1: do not want to see them at all. You're just
Speaker 1: too nice of a guy. Well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: like you would have said, hey, what's your preference, Like
Speaker 1: if if like is your preference that you're gonna be
Speaker 1: hanging out and having dinner all of you at the
Speaker 1: same table like one. This is because like this is
Speaker 1: a special event for you. I know you look forward
Speaker 1: to it all year and and for this to have happened,
Speaker 1: I know this isn't the dream scenario. But as well
Speaker 1: as just stated very accurately, you are a great guy.
Speaker 1: Because what I noticed at the bar the dynamic. And
Speaker 1: I was actually talking to Chris because I was at
Speaker 1: the bar ordering drinks for everybody, um, and Chris was there,
Speaker 1: so we sat there talking and you know that he
Speaker 1: had been on the show before and catching up on
Speaker 1: the kids and how tired he's been because they have
Speaker 1: a newborn and so um. But to watch you, you
Speaker 1: could have easily ignored the situation, acted like the elephant
Speaker 1: was not in the room because he didn't quite make
Speaker 1: eye contact, so it took you to walk over to
Speaker 1: do that. Not that he was ignoring you, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I don't think you guys could have easily
Speaker 1: just ignored each other and acted like this thing didn't exist.
Speaker 1: And instead you burst the bubble and just said, hey man,
Speaker 1: you see you. Yeah. Well, And it also could have
Speaker 1: gone when I said that, he could have been a
Speaker 1: jerk to me, and he wasn't, so, you know, so
Speaker 1: it moves it to a healthy place. He could I
Speaker 1: could have walked up and be like, dude, don't talk
Speaker 1: to me, and then it would have been like, well, crap,
Speaker 1: now though we have four days of weirdness. He didn't
Speaker 1: at all. It was a you know, it was a
Speaker 1: healthy and like interaction. Um no, I will admit that
Speaker 1: if you wrote down, hey, what's your dreams new? Like,
Speaker 1: this is a big event for me. You know, my
Speaker 1: family's down here, my wife is down here, my friends
Speaker 1: are here, Like I've dreamed of playing golf with Chris
Speaker 1: and Welles in one of these tournaments for six years,
Speaker 1: Like it has been something that I've wanted to do,
Speaker 1: and I always wanted to do it here because this
Speaker 1: tournament is so fun to me. It's it's just a
Speaker 1: really good tournament and it's and it's a healthy atmosphere.
Speaker 1: And so to have that happen at this thing that
Speaker 1: I hold so sacred and special would not be ideal.
Speaker 1: Be honest. Are you are you happy that Wells and
Speaker 1: I were here to witness this with you? Or is
Speaker 1: this your biggest nightmare? Both both. I'm glad that we
Speaker 1: can do this because now we can talk about a podcast.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm so thankful that we can give you content.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been saying all week, thank you, Ben,
Speaker 1: You've been You're writing my podcast. Day after day, You've
Speaker 1: been adding and I thought, I thought this was going
Speaker 1: to crescendo um on Friday because the tournament directors reality, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tournament directors are not Bachelor fans, clearly because the
Speaker 1: TV producer, the sick twisted mind of me um So,
Speaker 1: Chris Lane and Ben Higgins were very close in the
Speaker 1: point totals, and I thought, well, you're gonna put them together.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make them play together against each other. That's
Speaker 1: just a no brainer. And they didn't do it. Instead,
Speaker 1: the good thing is Wells and band got to play together.
Speaker 1: I was very jealous, you guys got to play together.
Speaker 1: But I was so bommed. I thought, Oh, this is magic.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have five episodes to
Speaker 1: cover on this whole day of you guys. But it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. But something did happen, and there is a
Speaker 1: story that will make you cringe, make you cry, and
Speaker 1: make you laugh. And that's next, Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: most dramatic podcast ever, Ben Higgins Wells Adams. Here in
Speaker 1: my hotel room. We're here in Orlando for an amazing event,
Speaker 1: the LPGA Tour. Thank you to the LPGA Tour, by
Speaker 1: the way. So this has been a real family affair.
Speaker 1: We've been eating meals together. So we're at dinner the
Speaker 1: other night. We're just at a little pizza place having
Speaker 1: a beer, and there's a guy that I don't really
Speaker 1: know him that well. His name is Trip. He's a
Speaker 1: caddy and somehow we mentioned the name Chris Lane. Wells Adams,
Speaker 1: please take the story from here. So we're all out
Speaker 1: to dinner and we explain to Trip that, uh, this
Speaker 1: Chris Lane's there, and so he decides to He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. So he looks him
Speaker 1: up and he finds a picture and he goes, well, look,
Speaker 1: his wife's pretty freaking hot. Look at her and and
Speaker 1: points the phone at I'm sitting next to Ben at
Speaker 1: me and then and I had this look of utter terror.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if you're messing with
Speaker 1: us or not. He's like, what, you know who that is? Right?
Speaker 1: And he goes, no, she's just it's a hot chick
Speaker 1: hat spends X and they got engaged to on television,
Speaker 1: and Wills didn't even do it full justice of how
Speaker 1: uncomfortable this moment was when this guy and it was
Speaker 1: as if we were shooting this for television. Wells and
Speaker 1: Ben and I are lined up so the three of
Speaker 1: us can see this guy when he turns the phone
Speaker 1: around and he says, God, Chris Lane's wife is she's
Speaker 1: a smoke show. And I'm like, I looked at Wells,
Speaker 1: I go, He's he's joking right in this case, No, man,
Speaker 1: she's really hot. And I thought this guy is either
Speaker 1: the smartest, most genius comedian I've ever met, or he's
Speaker 1: the dumbest human being. Turns out it's the latter, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: So he was going on and on about how hot
Speaker 1: Lauren was to Ben and Wells and I and I
Speaker 1: finally just said, buddy, you gotta stop talking. You gotta
Speaker 1: shut up, because he kept making it where he was
Speaker 1: trying to make it better, because you know, when you're
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable and you're like, no, I mean she's just
Speaker 1: Smulls don't know, I really want to be with her.
Speaker 1: It's like I want to take a bathroom, like please
Speaker 1: stop talking, just stop talking, and it got worse and
Speaker 1: worse and worse. Ben Higgins, Yeah again. Um, I'm really
Speaker 1: I'm really thankful that this weekend that I love so
Speaker 1: much has has been so good and it has I mean,
Speaker 1: these are good moments that make me laugh. I mean
Speaker 1: they're funny now because to to fix the situation, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was awkward for a long time and I almost
Speaker 1: I just didn't say anything for walks. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so weird, and like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to respond, you know, how do I respond to him?
Speaker 1: Be like she's really hot? Like cool man, like yes,
Speaker 1: just stop talking, Like there's no good thing I can
Speaker 1: say here, Like there's no way out of this. And
Speaker 1: so finally when he finds out that that she is
Speaker 1: my ex, to heal it, he finds a picture of
Speaker 1: my wife and he goes, she's really hot too, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, stop, I forgot about my god talking.
Speaker 1: That's what I forgotten. When he goes, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, thank you, but making it worse, I'd have
Speaker 1: sex with your wife too. It's exactly how it felt.
Speaker 1: It's exactly how it felt. To me, it was awesome
Speaker 1: and in all seriousness, and I'm sure your listeners can relate.
Speaker 1: These are very weird life moments. They are life moments
Speaker 1: that don't always happen, but to some they happen. You
Speaker 1: have an ex wife, you have an ex husband, you
Speaker 1: have an ex friend, whatever, and you see them again,
Speaker 1: and how are you going to handle it or how
Speaker 1: are they going to handle it? What is going to
Speaker 1: be said and not said? And it could not have
Speaker 1: gone it has not it could have not gone better
Speaker 1: in real life than what I could have imagined. Like,
Speaker 1: it's been a really good thing. There's just been these
Speaker 1: funny little moments in between, like, hey, what I love
Speaker 1: to have? I've like when before I even saw Chris
Speaker 1: and ran into him. What I want his locker right
Speaker 1: next to mine? No, uh, what I want? The guy
Speaker 1: across the table holding up a picture of my ax
Speaker 1: in front of my family and me and everybody else
Speaker 1: and be like, no, she's really hot. No I don't
Speaker 1: want that. And I wanted all of it, but it happened.
Speaker 1: It happened. But and you're right, I would say, if
Speaker 1: you can get over yourself, swallow your pride, these moments
Speaker 1: can be cathartic, and you realize none of this is
Speaker 1: that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 1: Everybody's good. You can actually be grateful for it and
Speaker 1: be happy, and nobody really cares that much at this point.
Speaker 1: And look when you're in the weeds of it and
Speaker 1: it's happening to you right now. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned Dianna and Steven Stagliano unfortunately going through what they're
Speaker 1: going through, and like right now, they're in the tempest
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the storm. They're out at
Speaker 1: that moment, but they will be and it's my hope
Speaker 1: for them and and my my prayers for them is
Speaker 1: that that it will get to that point when you
Speaker 1: can see them again. I've gotten like that with my
Speaker 1: ex um Lauren, and I spend time with her and
Speaker 1: her husband. It's about our kids. It's about making everything
Speaker 1: okay for them. So when you can get to that
Speaker 1: point and laugh about it, it's a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: a healthy thing. And and look, I think the good
Speaker 1: Lord above has shined down upon you some grace and
Speaker 1: let you play incredible golf, and that makes it okay.
Speaker 1: I still want to win. I still like there's a
Speaker 1: few people in this field that I would really like
Speaker 1: to beat. Two of them are sitting in this room
Speaker 1: with Yes, we're not competitive at all. Chris Lane is
Speaker 1: another one. UM do him? You got him? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I know, I can't say as much about
Speaker 1: beating Wells and I, but you'll definitely, you'll definitely take
Speaker 1: Chris home. And it was It's been an amazing week
Speaker 1: and that was definitely great laughter for us. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about life. We here's here's
Speaker 1: a very interesting thing about it. I was thinking about us,
Speaker 1: the three of us. One of the things I love
Speaker 1: about the show is the couples that come out of it,
Speaker 1: and you know, some of them are married. And but
Speaker 1: then I thought, you know, we are a throuble that
Speaker 1: has come out of the show. The only reason the
Speaker 1: three of us hang out together and are such good
Speaker 1: friends is because of the show. And one of the
Speaker 1: gifts of this show is that we we are one
Speaker 1: of the successful couples. And I am grateful for that
Speaker 1: and it we all bonded over, you know, pretty much
Speaker 1: after our time on the show. But I love that
Speaker 1: about the show. Yeah, I would. I mean, when somebody
Speaker 1: asked me about the show for me now, well, you know,
Speaker 1: probably I won't speak for them, but probably a little different.
Speaker 1: You still, you know, working on it. It doesn't I
Speaker 1: can't point to a lot of things that it's still
Speaker 1: a part of my Like the show is not really
Speaker 1: a part of my life anymore, um, obviously except for
Speaker 1: my podcast that I heard, except for weekly um. But
Speaker 1: like the involvement the show, the thing that I'm most
Speaker 1: that that I take away the most is the friendship.
Speaker 1: A lot of those friendships have revolved around like shared
Speaker 1: interest golf. Um. But it's something that I've I'm I'm
Speaker 1: very thankful for because I never wanted to lose that.
Speaker 1: That would be really sad for me. If you know,
Speaker 1: Chris and I wouldn't hang out again, you know, post
Speaker 1: my time on The Bachelor. That's something that's meant a
Speaker 1: lot to me, is if like you know, I was
Speaker 1: kind of there for six months gone, and you know,
Speaker 1: I move on with my life and you move on
Speaker 1: and we go our separate ways. Because it is such
Speaker 1: an impactful season for It was such an impactful season
Speaker 1: for me, you know, for Wells and I, uh, a
Speaker 1: lot of what we do is was never associated with
Speaker 1: the show. Because we weren't on the same season. We
Speaker 1: met outside of that through my heart actually and been
Speaker 1: able to hang out. These are friendships that I really
Speaker 1: care about, the people that I that I want in
Speaker 1: my life, and that that's super special and it's something
Speaker 1: that the show, you know, the romantic side of it
Speaker 1: is obviously such a big part of that, but the
Speaker 1: friendships and the other storylines I think are really cool
Speaker 1: to focus on two to see who hangs out with
Speaker 1: each other post show after so many years. One of
Speaker 1: the things I noticed wells about us, and I think
Speaker 1: it's probably indicative of the show and how we have
Speaker 1: expressed our feelings. We talk, I think more intimately, more
Speaker 1: honestly than most guys do, because I think we're just
Speaker 1: used to it from the show, Like we go deep
Speaker 1: and again it was boys time before the ladies showed up.
Speaker 1: Usually when the ladies are here, we get deeper because
Speaker 1: ladies are just better at that. There that that is
Speaker 1: their sport is talking, that's that's their activity. We actually
Speaker 1: do that. This group right here does it more than
Speaker 1: I do with my other buddies, and I think it's
Speaker 1: because probably of our on the show. Well, I do think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the Batchel of the Batch and Batchroom Paradise
Speaker 1: are all you know that. I think that the mission
Speaker 1: statement is people getting engaged and married. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's a relationship show, whether it's
Speaker 1: relationships with like on my season of the Batch Story,
Speaker 1: like I was friends with a bunch of the dudes
Speaker 1: and hung out with all of them afterwards. Um, And
Speaker 1: I think that the the fans of the show like
Speaker 1: to see that almost as much as they like to
Speaker 1: see the people happily in love and stuff. Um, you'll
Speaker 1: go to these these like crazy events where they have
Speaker 1: like the guys on stage and and they're all there.
Speaker 1: It's all the buddies, and I feel like that's more
Speaker 1: important than to the fans. And if it were the
Speaker 1: engaged couple, which I think is cool, but for us, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, um, well, you were never on the show
Speaker 1: as a contestant, but like the thing that that show
Speaker 1: taught me the most was like how to be able
Speaker 1: to talk about your feelings to other guys, which is
Speaker 1: not a thing you normally do, but on the show
Speaker 1: you do these things called man chats what they're called, right,
Speaker 1: But I remember something like it. They'd be like why
Speaker 1: don't you guys have a man chat over there and
Speaker 1: you're like, what man would talk about the bears, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about your feelings, and we got I got
Speaker 1: so used to it. Then I brought it into my
Speaker 1: regular life and we do it now and it's a
Speaker 1: very I think, a very healthy, healthy thing for guys
Speaker 1: to do that don't normally do, and to to speak
Speaker 1: on that too. I remember the moment where I said,
Speaker 1: I like Chris Harrison. I do when do we fall
Speaker 1: in love? That moment? Yeah, so you're on I'm on
Speaker 1: the show, I'm the Bachelor. We're in Jamaica at this
Speaker 1: amazing I'm just saying, at this amazing mansion before after
Speaker 1: those special brownies I don't know by during um brownies
Speaker 1: they were just brown Yeah, they're just brownies. If you
Speaker 1: ever go to Jamaica, try to find the brownie the
Speaker 1: brownie man on the side of the road. He is magical.
Speaker 1: And uh no, I'm at this huge mansion and it's
Speaker 1: very empty, and then a bunch of producers move in
Speaker 1: with me. I don't still know why. I'm assuming it
Speaker 1: was to make me go crazy, and they did a
Speaker 1: pretty good job at it. Um and so there was
Speaker 1: like an off day, and I had been so produced
Speaker 1: for so long. And it's not messing with my head,
Speaker 1: it's not getting in my head. It's just you're tired
Speaker 1: of being asked questions, You're tired of being asked about contestants.
Speaker 1: You're just exhausted from talking about love. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, out of nowhere, Chris shows up. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on this couch in my like four minutes of silence,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, gosh, dang it, here we go again,
Speaker 1: like where's the cameras at? And he just sits down
Speaker 1: and it's Sunday and he turns on the football game
Speaker 1: and I still remember the game. It was like Bill's Eagles.
Speaker 1: And we watched football, and we watched the whole entire game,
Speaker 1: which was the most normal thing I had done in
Speaker 1: three months. And we talked fantasy because I still had
Speaker 1: a fantasy team that they were helping me, uh navigate,
Speaker 1: And we talked football, and we talked about who was
Speaker 1: going to be in the playoffs, and we talked about
Speaker 1: what the future and I all of a sudden I said, wait,
Speaker 1: like this has there's no ulterior motives here. He just
Speaker 1: came to watch football with me, Like, this is the
Speaker 1: most normal I felt in three months and it and
Speaker 1: it really was like I like this guy, Like I
Speaker 1: actually could could kick it with this guy outside of
Speaker 1: this show. Um. It was a very like humanizing, real
Speaker 1: moment for me that said, no, I can make it
Speaker 1: the next two weeks of this thing, just from that
Speaker 1: little breath of fresh air into the real life. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that. I do. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I absolutely remember that the three our three lives have
Speaker 1: changed dramatically over the last year to two years. You
Speaker 1: guys are newly weds. I am a newly wed to be. Um,
Speaker 1: how is life changed for you guys as newly weds.
Speaker 1: It's in audience first, you know, it's been a year
Speaker 1: and two months. For me, it's slowed down a lot.
Speaker 1: I think is the biggest change for me. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: home more. I don't want to be away as much.
Speaker 1: I used to travel weekly from multiple days. I don't
Speaker 1: enjoy that anymore. I always now fighting to get back home. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's slowed down in the sense that Jessica and I
Speaker 1: enjoy spending time together. She works out of the house.
Speaker 1: I work, uh from my home office and when she
Speaker 1: comes home. Our evenings together are special. We have dinner,
Speaker 1: we catch up on our day, we go for a walk,
Speaker 1: we go to bed, uh and watch a little Netflix like.
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very um slow pace that
Speaker 1: is so healthy and that I enjoy like I have
Speaker 1: fun with it. When I tell people this, like, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're sixty years old, and I hope, So,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm doing the same thing at sixty years old.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm enjoying my time with my wife. I'm
Speaker 1: hope I'm hoping that we're staying in tune with where
Speaker 1: we're at in our lives. I think that's a big change.
Speaker 1: I think. Um. The other change for me is a
Speaker 1: new sense of responsibility um as just being a husband,
Speaker 1: Like I have to be aware of where my wife,
Speaker 1: you know, emotions are at, where she's at physically, what
Speaker 1: you know, where she's feeling about her career path and
Speaker 1: her dreams. Uh. And that's a new responsibility that I
Speaker 1: hold onto that I didn't ask myself to hold onto.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it, but it's it's implemented in my
Speaker 1: life now and so that's a huge part of my
Speaker 1: thought processes. How's jess at like doing? Like how where
Speaker 1: she at? Um? And it's what I enjoy? Uh but
Speaker 1: those are being big changes that I didn't expect. Wells,
Speaker 1: what about you? The thing was that we were engaged
Speaker 1: longer than we dated because of COVID because we had
Speaker 1: to wait for our wedding venue to allowed us to
Speaker 1: have a bunch of people come and celebrate our wedding.
Speaker 1: So I kind of lumped those years together, like I
Speaker 1: think that like me being married is very similar to
Speaker 1: like when we were engaged and was like we're going
Speaker 1: to be married or whatever. So these past you know,
Speaker 1: three and a half years have been really wonderful and
Speaker 1: I think it's it's so like not the sexy answer,
Speaker 1: I think, and it's not something that people no one
Speaker 1: ever told me. But the most wonderful thing about getting
Speaker 1: married is uh I mean a satta from like the
Speaker 1: cool sex that you get to have all the time.
Speaker 1: Cool sex, Yeah you get Can I just tell you
Speaker 1: you ruined it right there? Cool sex? Chris. I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone told you get you get to do
Speaker 1: the sex? Uh No. But all joking aside, because once
Speaker 1: you get married, you don't have sex. Uh um. You
Speaker 1: get a teammate, like and having someone on your team
Speaker 1: is like so invaluable And it's not a sexy answer
Speaker 1: and it's not like the thing that anyone tells you,
Speaker 1: but it's so true when you have someone who's like
Speaker 1: always rooting for you, whether it's real wise or emotionally.
Speaker 1: That's one thing, but also like someone that's always helping
Speaker 1: you out when you go to parties and like someone
Speaker 1: gets like too drunk and the other one's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go now together, or like oh shoot, I
Speaker 1: know that guy, but a note, remember his name. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: I'll go up to him and I'll behave I'm Sarah.
Speaker 1: What's your name? Got you? Like that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: is so nice and it's like very comforting to have,
Speaker 1: like you're just kind of like forging through life. Someone's
Speaker 1: always in your corner. Yeah, it's really really nice. And
Speaker 1: like for Sarah, she is outrageously successful and like so
Speaker 1: good at her job and it's been really really wonderful
Speaker 1: to sit back and watch someone like just knock Grand
Speaker 1: Slams out of the park every year and so and
Speaker 1: I think for her it's like it's really nice to
Speaker 1: have me. They're like cheering her on and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: so it means so much more success and failure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it all is so much better with someone on your side. Um,
Speaker 1: that's so true too, Like, and because Sarah goes up
Speaker 1: for roles that like are huge things that you guys
Speaker 1: are all watching on TV. IREC run lines with her
Speaker 1: sometimes and she doesn't get them, which is insane to me.
Speaker 1: And it's tough. That's tough on her. And I'm such
Speaker 1: a like, uh even keeled, pragmatic person where I I
Speaker 1: can like calm her down and be like, it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's not you know, the next thing is going to
Speaker 1: be huge, like, and she leans on me for those things,
Speaker 1: and that stuff is that I think really important. It's
Speaker 1: it's absolutely huge. And the sex in the cool sex,
Speaker 1: the sex but also the cool sex. Um. When I
Speaker 1: think back on all of us, but especially you two
Speaker 1: from the show, when I got to know you as
Speaker 1: just these young men that were doing this crazy thing
Speaker 1: to where you are now, it's stunning to think how
Speaker 1: much life has changed on every level. Yeah has, but
Speaker 1: that's I mean, you know, I would credit that season
Speaker 1: of life for where I'm at now. Um, And like,
Speaker 1: well I said I think I'm I'm a better husband.
Speaker 1: Don't if I'm a good husband, I'm a better husband
Speaker 1: because I do know how to speak about my emotions.
Speaker 1: I do know how to be intentional. And and also
Speaker 1: that season was was interesting. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is what you're referencing, but when you get off
Speaker 1: the show, you're known as a single, available human, like
Speaker 1: you are in the dating pool, and everybody knows that
Speaker 1: you're interested in finding a partner. And if you do
Speaker 1: the show, well, then you hold yourself to a standard
Speaker 1: and you present yourself as somebody that could be a
Speaker 1: decent partner. And then you the longer you're off the
Speaker 1: show and the longer in the dating pool, the more
Speaker 1: you get known for being the single guy. And now
Speaker 1: in my life is not that and it will never
Speaker 1: be that again. But that be came my identity personally
Speaker 1: for so long, was like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm available
Speaker 1: and willing to date, and you know, and now that's
Speaker 1: not a part of my life. And it's beautiful. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful cut off. It's a beautiful divorce, and but
Speaker 1: it's a whole different path. You know, I'll never you know,
Speaker 1: God willing be single again. Now you're just the boring
Speaker 1: guy that takes naps. Now I'm the boring guy that
Speaker 1: takes nas because I played eighteen holes of golf and
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. We will wrap this up because no joke.
Speaker 1: We're about to go to a huge family dinner all
Speaker 1: of us. UM. But before we do, I need advice
Speaker 1: from you guys. Yeah, I gotta turn the tables. The
Speaker 1: last time I got married, it was the nineties. I
Speaker 1: saw a wedding on love boat. But I think it's
Speaker 1: changed since then. Um, and you guys are newly weds.
Speaker 1: I am going to be I'm gonna be going through
Speaker 1: all this. What the big look I know are why
Speaker 1: your wives are going to hear this. We have to
Speaker 1: be very careful. Do not get divorced over this answer.
Speaker 1: But tell me what you would keep? What do you
Speaker 1: think I should definitely do Lauren and I should do
Speaker 1: at our wedding? What should we not do? What? What
Speaker 1: one thing or anything would you not do? Again? Okay,
Speaker 1: my wedding is more recent, so it's fresher in my mind,
Speaker 1: so I'll go first. Okay, what you should definitely do? Um?
Speaker 1: And you might have done this? Um? First one I
Speaker 1: don't know, Bene if you did this, but someone gave
Speaker 1: me this advice and it was it was great. They said, Okay,
Speaker 1: after the ceremony, everyone's at the reception, steal away for
Speaker 1: a little bit, try to find some like higher ground
Speaker 1: and go upstairs, just you two and look down on
Speaker 1: all the people there that are celebrating your love and
Speaker 1: are there because they love you. It was like a
Speaker 1: super powerful moment. And it was so funny because in
Speaker 1: seeing all these like weird amalgamations of friends come together
Speaker 1: and hang out and laugh and drink and have this
Speaker 1: amazing time, and it was like we did this, like
Speaker 1: what a weird thing, Like we brought all these people together.
Speaker 1: That was really cool. That was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things of my wedding. The thing that I would say
Speaker 1: to not do or like to create boundaries for, is
Speaker 1: your photographer. I loved our photographers, but they and I
Speaker 1: know in their minds, they want to capture everything for
Speaker 1: you because it's a whirlwind and you and you know
Speaker 1: you don't remember everything and you want to have those keepsakes.
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is what you really
Speaker 1: want is to be able to spend a substantial amount
Speaker 1: of time with the people that you love and when
Speaker 1: that gets started and taken away from me because they
Speaker 1: wanted to get this shot over here and this magic
Speaker 1: out and all this stuff. And I remember there was
Speaker 1: a moment in the night when they were taking a
Speaker 1: lot of pictures and I had to say, Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's just do candids. I really want to
Speaker 1: spend time with all these people that flew out here
Speaker 1: and spent money to be with us and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And U I wish I had done
Speaker 1: it earlier and set boundaries. And I can't remember what
Speaker 1: your third question was, Well, that was the main thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's what's different from the nineties. I know what's
Speaker 1: different from the nineties. Um. Yeah, that's, by the way,
Speaker 1: great advice. And Ben, is there anything what advice would
Speaker 1: you give me as I head into this chapter of
Speaker 1: my life again? Well? I think the logistical advice we
Speaker 1: were given was to invest the most money in good
Speaker 1: drink and good music. And I think it worked like
Speaker 1: if you have a good band or a good DJ,
Speaker 1: whatever your you know, your budget is, and whatever you're
Speaker 1: kind of wanting, just make sure they're good. Um. The
Speaker 1: kind of um sentimental advice we got was to take
Speaker 1: a deep breath during the ceremony and similar to wells
Speaker 1: and look out over the people sit in front of you,
Speaker 1: like to make it an awkward like I just want
Speaker 1: to try to make eye contact and see this because
Speaker 1: it is a very special moment and it means a lot.
Speaker 1: And I was told the day of my wedding there's
Speaker 1: two times that everybody in your life comes together to
Speaker 1: celebrate you, your wedding day in your funeral, and I'm
Speaker 1: really glad I could be there on my wedding day. Um,
Speaker 1: we did something different and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: for everybody, but the most fun thing, um I thought
Speaker 1: about our wedding, or the thing that Jessica and I
Speaker 1: really wanted was we didn't do a sit down dinner,
Speaker 1: And so as soon as the ceremony got over, the
Speaker 1: bar opened up, the band started, and we rolled right
Speaker 1: into the party. So we didn't sit down. There was
Speaker 1: grab and go food everywhere. That just was mostly because
Speaker 1: Jessica and I didn't want to be up till midnight
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, if we don't have dinner, then
Speaker 1: we can have a four and a half hour party
Speaker 1: that everybody's dancing in UM, the thing I would take
Speaker 1: away will be the thing that I would probably get
Speaker 1: divorced over saying, but it just I don't remember our
Speaker 1: flower arrangements. I just know they cost a ton of money.
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember what flowers we had anywhere. I
Speaker 1: see pictures and I'm like, I had no clue. You
Speaker 1: should have seen the flowers at Wells. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: I was in a duck blind. It just to me,
Speaker 1: and I know somebody out there is like, your crazy.
Speaker 1: These are so important to me, I just don't remember him.
Speaker 1: To the floral Society, we mean no harm. We love flowers.
Speaker 1: You're talking to three guys here that you know, but
Speaker 1: that that would just be it. But I think they're
Speaker 1: very important because I think Jessica really loved our flowers
Speaker 1: and really found them special. To me. I would just
Speaker 1: say like, yeah, yeah, I could go without. UM fellas,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here, thank you, Thanks for thanks for
Speaker 1: being in my life. I truly appreciate you guys. I
Speaker 1: love you both. UM. I've said this many times over
Speaker 1: the last year and a half to two years, how
Speaker 1: much I appreciate both of you, UM immensely, and your
Speaker 1: support has meant the world to me and l z
Speaker 1: Um and I just love you guys and I this
Speaker 1: week has been so magical on so many levels. I've
Speaker 1: loved it. We've had every meal together, we've hung this
Speaker 1: is like fantasy camp for us. It's been really special.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Well. It's a long time coming because
Speaker 1: last year Ben and I played in it and we
Speaker 1: were texting with you and we're like, next year we're
Speaker 1: all going to do this together. And the fact that
Speaker 1: we got to do it, it's really really special and
Speaker 1: we got to get like one big golf picture together
Speaker 1: so we can hang it up on the wall because
Speaker 1: this is a long time coming, and it's it's so cool, man.
Speaker 1: And to have to have our stage of life here
Speaker 1: where the wives are here, my fiance, to have mom
Speaker 1: and dad here, Mom here, brother, It's it's just a
Speaker 1: cool cool of that. And it's just been a special week.
Speaker 1: It sure has. Well. I love you guys. It's been
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a big week in front of us.
Speaker 1: We get to act like we we have along on
Speaker 1: a golf course with a bunch of really great professionals.
Speaker 1: But this is this is special. Who's buying dinner tonight? You?
Speaker 1: It's your turn I can write it off on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, to my two guests Wells Adams,
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins, and to you Dramination. Thank you for the support,
Speaker 1: for the love, and always for listening. I'll talk to
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