1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and Government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: whetted with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. And 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: so welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: and I am Ben and we are joined as always 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: by our super producer nol the A T. Alien Brown. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the A T. Alien little outcasting here this uh, 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: this afternoon. So ladies and gentlemen, today we are going 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: all the way out to Utah. As many of you know, 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: we're located here in Atlanta, Georgia. And the reason we're 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: going out to Utah is because there are some things 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: that happen when you're out in a large open area 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: like many of the places in Utah, that you you 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: might see something in the sky, you might see something 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: that you don't really see on the ground that you 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: can't explain. But that's the reason we're going out there, 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: because there is one particular place that that some of 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: these things tend to happen. Ben, and we've been getting 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: lots and lots of people on Twitter, on Facebook all 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: over the place saying, you guys have to cover this 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: location right. Yeah, We've checked out a lot of the 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: YouTube comments. I've seen this stuff on Facebook and Twitter 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: asking us to cover something that is legally known as 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: the Sherman Ranch. As Matt said, it is located in 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: a place called Unitalk County, about four hundred and eighty 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: acres of ranch land, a little bit southeast of a 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: place called Ballard, Utah. But you perhaps know it better 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: by it's more famous internet moniker skin Walker Ranch. Oh yeah, 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: and out here there are all kinds of alleged things 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: that happened, from cattle mutilations to UFO sightings of various kinds, 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: lights in the sky, sometimes stuff that happens closer to 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the ground. Sure you'll also hear you'll also hear other 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: anecdotes about so called sensing of presents, telepathic intrusions, Poulter 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: geys stuff again, all anecdotal. But before we dive into that. 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Oh and that's what we're doing, by the way, lazy gentleman, 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, we're looking at some of the fact and 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: fiction here. Now, Matt, you like you hate this stuff? No, no, 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: I do not hate this stuff. I just want it 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: to be real and I want someone to capture something 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: and when it's just a human being, most of the 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: research I've done on this. You've done the bulk of it, 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: But a lot of the research I've done in this 43 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: it's just a person talking to another person like this 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: and telling a story about what they've experienced. Okay, Well, 45 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to pigeonhole you by saying you hate it. No, no, no, 46 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I certainly don't hate it. I I really like the 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: ideas it. It hurts me intellectually when someone is trying 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: to convince me so hard that this thing happened but 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: they have absolutely zero empirical evidence or yeah, zero zero 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: universally accepted. It's probably a good way to qualify that. 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: So that's what we're gonna do today, ladies and gentlemen. 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: We're going to catch you up on a little bit 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: of one oh one about Skinwalker Ranch or the real name, 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the Sherman Ranch, and then we're ultimately going to end 55 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: on asking you the same questions and maybe, if we're lucky, 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: somebody in or around Ballard, Utah will give us the 57 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: skinny these stuff. They don't want you to know about 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: this location. So let's look at the history, Matt, the uh, 59 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: the history of this, at least as far as the 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: paper trail Goes is relatively recent in comparison to other, 61 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: um you know, so called hot spots for this kind 62 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: of activity. The first documentary reports about the Sherman Ranch 63 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: are found in a publication called the Utah Desert News. 64 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: It's out of Salt Lake City. This was written by 65 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: a guy named Zack van ike In or E. Y c. 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: K uh not no relation to David around nineteen nine six. 67 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: And that wasn't the only time it was mentioned. That's right. 68 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: So we were out here, you know, exploring the Olympics 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: that year, and uh, out there on the other side, 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: there's some crazy stuff going down at the Sherman Ranch. Now, 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: this was later mentioned in Las Vegas Mercury. This was 72 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: also mentioned several times by George and App. I believe 73 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: George and App as a person who wrote in the Mercury. Yeah, 74 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: he was a coast of show that I personally really enjoy. 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: I don't know about you called Coast to Coast, a 76 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: m which we have mentioned briefly before on this on 77 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: this show. Uh so, yeah, the U this guy doesn't 78 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: just write a couple of things, uh, he really digs 79 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: in and makes this uh something identifiable with him, which, 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: as will learn, is going to be important later. However, 81 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: if you are to believe the unofficial histories of I 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: think there's a retired school teacher and then there's a 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: retired military official of some sort. Uh. If you're to 84 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: believe their stories, then reports of cattle mutilation in this area, 85 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: this rough area go back for decades at least, and allegedly, 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: or at least we'll see how much of this is true. 87 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Allegedly these stories tie into something much much older, that's right, 88 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: the legend of skin walkers. This is really cool stuff here. 89 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: This is kind of this is the stuff that you 90 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: were really interested in, right, this because this falls into 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: the folklore area where you've got Native American groups who 92 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: believe that there is this thing called a skin walker, 93 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: which is essentially a shape changer. There are a lot 94 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: of different types of these. We've talked about like anthropy 95 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: a lot in past episodes about werewolves. Um, this is 96 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: kind of kind of similar to that with a couple 97 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: important differences. One of the biggest ones is that the 98 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: skin walker can choose to change shape rather than having 99 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: the moon kind of affect their change. Right, So the 100 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: full moon doesn't anything to do with its skin walker, 101 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: just goes, Okay, it's time change. Uh. Skin walker can 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: also change into any animal, given whatever circumstances they find 103 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: themselves in, such as, Uh, let's say they've got the 104 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: pelt of a wolf, just to use the like anthropy example, 105 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: they can then change into the wolf. But then you 106 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: can use any other interchangeable animal. They're a bear even sure. Yeah, 107 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: and this this is a common across various different uh 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Native American groups. In Navajo folklore, for instance, which is 109 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: where this pops up most often, or at least in 110 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: the In the modern West, this is most strongly associated 111 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: with Navajo. A skin walker is a kind of which 112 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: known as a ye now joshi. The idea here is 113 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: similar to some European folklore regarding lican thropes, because lican 114 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: thropes in the older medieval stuff and then uh, well, 115 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you can listen to the entire episode we've done onlike antherropy, 116 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: but quick and dirty version for you here. As sometimes 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: in different periods of the past, people who were thought 118 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: of as werewolves were also thought of as witches. It's 119 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: kind of like the old analogy about puzzles and mazes, 120 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: because not all puzzles are mazes, but all mazes are puzzles. 121 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: So not all witches are skin walkers, which is a 122 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: kind of which, But all skin walkers are witches. So 123 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: most of these witches are men, and they gain their 124 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: powers through some kind of dark act. Women can also 125 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: be these witches, but only childless women. At least only 126 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: childless women can be this sort of which. And some 127 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: of these dark acts would be the murder of a 128 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: blood relative. That's pretty heinous, breaking some kind of serious 129 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: cultural taboo, or parts participating in some kind of perversion 130 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: of these Namajo traditional rituals. Right, this would be the 131 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: cultural equivalent of celebrating a aact Mass are going to uh, 132 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: which is Sabbath. The The one of the differences here 133 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: between the skin walker and the modern interpretation of the 134 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: like and throape is that this is not a situation 135 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: where someone could accidentally become a skin walker because they 136 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: were bitten by a skin walker. This is a conscious decision, 137 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: or this is the direct consequence of doing something unholy. 138 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: The ones who murder a blood relative, a child, a parent, 139 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: a sibling, they are the ones who would get the most, 140 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: who would become the most powerful. And some versions of this, 141 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: as we said, are found in many Native American cultures, 142 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: not just the Navajo, the Aztec have the now all Uh, 143 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: it's a human being able to transform into an animal 144 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: physically or spiritually. And then there's the Chilean Chilean or 145 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Argentinean chun chon. Now that's the folklore background of what 146 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: a skin walker is. As we continue our our delve 147 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: into what the skin walker ranches, we're going to find 148 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: that it isn't necessarily related to this in particular, but 149 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: there are there are things relating to aliens also that 150 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: will come into this. Extraterrestrials and possibly this idea that 151 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: there is some kind of supernatural entity that exists somewhere 152 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: on this land, you know. Uh. Spoiler alert slight spoiler alert. 153 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: I I love that you said that, you went out 154 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: and said extraterrestrials are aliens, because, as we'll find, that's 155 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: something that the researchers, Uh, that was one of their 156 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: big pet peeves. But I think it's I think it's 157 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: fair to say that the vast majority of people who 158 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: are following the developing story did believe it was extraterrestrial 159 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: well related exactly. It was one of their big pet pieces. 160 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: But it gets into some of the things that a 161 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: couple other characters were about to find out gets into 162 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: the future worlds that they get involved with. So let's 163 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: continue on here, sure, okay. So, as we said, the 164 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: ranch was brought to the public eye largely due to 165 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: the efforts of this journalist named George Knapp, who was 166 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: then host of a radio show called Coast to Coast AM, 167 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: which is us a great listen if you get a chance, 168 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: it's really great you you might recognize the name George 169 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: Nori currently or Art Bell for the host of that show. 170 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: George Napp is pretty great. He I think he hosts 171 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: on the weekends or a couple of Sundays every once 172 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: in a while. And uh, as he reported on the 173 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: bizarre alleged occurrences from this ranch, the publicity caught the 174 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: attention of an entrepreneur named Robert Bigelow, who you might 175 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: also recognize as the founder of a company called Bigelow Aerospace. 176 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: A interesting Bigelow Aerospace. They they specialize in trying to 177 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: create these uh, not really ruins, but capsules where humans 178 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: can do things in space. Right along with Richard Branson 179 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: and to a lesser degree, Ellen Musk that he's one 180 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: of the people pushing. He's one of the big parts, 181 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: or at least Big Little Airspace was one of the 182 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: big parts of the privatized space exploration industry. Pretty interesting there. 183 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: So Big a Little bought this ranch in and he 184 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: hired another gentleman named Calm mkellagher who was a molecular biologist, 185 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and he brought him on to head up the team 186 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: of PhD s who are going to investigate this place. 187 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: He uh, he called the group the National Institute for 188 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: Discovery Science or NEEDS. Here's what they did. The group 189 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: monitored the ranch for twenty four hours a day and 190 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: they were scouting for unusual phenomenon or anomalies. According to Kellagher, 191 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: and this is as told by Brian Dunning from SKEPTID. 192 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: They never came back with any incontrovertible physical evidence. Well, 193 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: they collected a lot of They collected a lot of 194 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: video and some audio, but as we know, that stuff 195 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: can be a little bit like a Rorschach test. They did, however, 196 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: see occasional cattle mutilations and floating lights. And let's let's 197 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: take a second to address this because a lot of 198 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: you guys out there probably wondering why I just said 199 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: no physical evidence and then mentioned cattle mutilations. And the 200 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: problem here is really one of interpretation. To people who 201 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: believe that mutilations must be some sort of proof of 202 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: the paranormal or a cryptid or you know, a human 203 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: being change in shape and eating cattle. Uh, that is 204 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: sort of looking for an answer. One expects a confirmation bias. 205 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: But to people who consider themselves skeptics, whether they actually 206 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: are or not, which is an important distinction. Uh, these 207 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: these attacks are within the bounds of normal predation, meaning 208 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: that a a regular predator common in the area it 209 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: might attack, or another scavenger might have eaten the corpse. 210 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: I'd like even if they died of natural causes. The 211 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: places where cattle mutilation or evidence of cattle mutilation is 212 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: shown is usually in the face and or the hind quarters, right. 213 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: And this is something that I think on Discovery Channel 214 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: we were there, we discussed this several times about how 215 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: that's those are the entrances to the soft tissues in cattle. 216 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: You're not going to go through the tough outer skin. Uh. 217 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: If you're let's say, I don't know, insects that are 218 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: eating away at a carcass, or even vultures eating way 219 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: to carcass or a fox, anything of that nature, even 220 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: micro microbes. They're attacking those two ends right right, And 221 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: I'd like to do and we'll see if I get to, 222 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: but I'd like to do an episode on cattle mutilations 223 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: in the future because it's a pretty interesting topic, especially 224 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: when you get to the people who study different types 225 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: of ways that cattle are attacked, which is which is 226 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: fascinating but very grizzly. So that's what they were looking at. 227 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: They were primarily looking for unexplained phenomenon or anomalies. They 228 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: were not looking for someone changing shape and attacking human beings. Yeah, 229 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: that's why I kind of mentioned at the beginning that 230 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: the skin Walker Ranch doesn't really seem to have that 231 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: much to do with the folklore side of what a 232 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: skin walker is um really beyond the name. M Yeah, 233 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: and critics will allege this was largely a marketing employ 234 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: to call it the skin Walker Ranch rather than the 235 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: Sherman Ranching ensure. There's a there's inarguably uh a vivid 236 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: image captured there right the book you know nap George 237 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Knapp and Colem kellaher went on to publish a book 238 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: called Hunt for the skin walker, but this focused mainly 239 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: on UFO sightings, not on any supposed super natural being. 240 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: And really, again, a UFO is not does not necessitate 241 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: an alien, It simply means unidentified. You can read some 242 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: great quotes with kelleher saying that what they're trying to 243 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: do is turn as many unidentified sightings into identified objects, 244 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: which I thought was fair. But also, you know, you 245 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: can read criticism of the way Needs the National Institute 246 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: for Discovery Science conducted their research. Maybe that's a story 247 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: for another day. I would say, if you're interested in 248 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: some of their studies and some of the reports they 249 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: put out, Ben, you sent me a link to the 250 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: way back Machine to their website, and if you're interested, 251 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: I recommend going to archive dot org using that way 252 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: back machine and checking out needs. Right. Yeah, the way 253 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: back machine is a super useful tool, especially for websites 254 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: that are no longer active. Spoiler Alert needs is one 255 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: of them. Uh. This this also is a good time 256 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: for us to mention other, um, other alleged things. Uh. 257 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: George Knapp has come out before and said that the 258 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: family that was living there before Robert Bigelow purchased the 259 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: property were they moved within just like thirty months of 260 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: living there because of heightened paranormal activity. And we're talking 261 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: about stuff like going home, putting groceries up in the kitchen, 262 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: walking out for a second, and then walking hearing a 263 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: tremendous crash, walking back to see everything thrown away from 264 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: the out of the cabinets, right, and crockery broken and whatnot. 265 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: So let's go and look closer though, at the criticism 266 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: or the response for these claims. Sure, so the first 267 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: big one with that with the family dealing with you know, 268 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: lots of paranormal activity. Um we there is no record 269 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: of the family actually saying this, right, well, at least 270 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: according to what I could find, there was not anything 271 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: from the sherman's going on record and saying there's plenty 272 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: of other people saying they said that, but I wasn't 273 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: able to find anything that was clearly them saying something 274 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: like that went down. I would love to hear back 275 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: from anybody who as a link. You can find me 276 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: on the conspiracy stuff Facebook and Twitter. And I'm sure 277 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: it really didn't hurt that Mr Bigelow showed up and 278 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I really like to buy a ranch. 279 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Here's lots of money. Right, yeah, and and they have 280 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: never also, to be fair, they've never come out and 281 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: said there was nothing like that. We're just in the money, um, 282 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: which is understandable, but they have not said that. So 283 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: the concept of skin walkers explored or earlier like ent 284 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: therapy episode, which again is I don't know how you feel, Matt, 285 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: but it is one that I thought we did a 286 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: pretty good job on. Uh. There there is a genuine 287 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: clinical condition, a genuine clinical like antherrapy, in which people 288 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: do believe they're transforming to an into an animal. And 289 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: sometimes it's because some cultural transgression, breaking a taboo, feeling guilty. 290 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: But as we mentioned that earlier show, uh, because you 291 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: believe that you are transforming into a creature does not 292 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: mean that you physically are transforming new creature. It can 293 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: make you a more dangerous person, but a person nonetheless. 294 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: So we we came up with some speculative answers for 295 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: why these sort of skinwalker like can therapy where Jaguar 296 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: and other kind of myths came from. Right. Oh yeah. 297 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: One of the big ones was looking at and a 298 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: person that was doing things were so horrible you couldn't 299 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: attribute or it was very difficult to attribute those actions 300 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: to a human being. So the thought was that perhaps 301 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: there is something else going on here. This isn't just 302 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: a man killing his family or killing eight families or 303 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: something like that. This must be some kind of wolf 304 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: spirit or animal spirit embodying this human So it may 305 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: just be that serial killers that this was attributed to 306 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: them back in the day, or even just someone who 307 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: went on a rampage one time. Right. Yeah, one of 308 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: the cases that we look at, one of the most 309 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: famous cases in that kind of literature is that of 310 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: a fellow named Peter Stump. Uh. And Peter Stump was 311 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: confessed to numerous crimes, many of which sound a little 312 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: bit exaggerated to be honest. Is so we do know 313 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: that while he was incarcerated, despite eventually being executed for 314 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: the crime of lican thropy, he never managed to change 315 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: into a wolf, despite the phases of the moon that 316 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: went you know, went around during his incarceration. So we 317 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: we know that pretty much the not just uh skeptics 318 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: are people who confuse themselves for skeptics, but pretty much 319 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: everybody admits that no one has seen a person transform 320 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: into an animal. Uh. Again, besides on the big screen 321 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: or screen right, right. So then in along comes this 322 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: gentleman named James Randy that we've discussed several times on 323 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: this show. Uh, he gave Robert Bigelow one of his 324 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: self made Pegasus Awards. You may be familiar with these. Um, 325 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of an insult, right Yeah. It's kind 326 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: of like a Darwin Award, which I believe Randy gives. 327 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: I don't know too much about it, but it's not 328 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: a good thing to win it. It's like a Razzie 329 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: or Darwin Award. Razzies are for terrible movies. Darwin is 330 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: for people who are unfortunate enough to die in what 331 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: could be seen as a stupid way. So yeah, he 332 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: he gave big a little one of these for buying 333 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: the ranch um, which he said was absolutely useless. Yeah, 334 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: he he said that it was a useless study. You 335 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: may recognize Randy, that's R and D I instead of why. 336 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: You may recognize him from a thing we mentioned much earlier. 337 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a man of great standing. So 338 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: you probably if you're listening to this show, you've heard 339 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: of him before. But he also famously had a a 340 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: running contest or I guess challenge where He said if 341 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: someone could present claims are provable things of any any 342 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: kind of paranormal, psychic or supernatural events of anything from 343 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: a ghost to clara voyance or telepathy, he would give 344 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: them one million dollars. That study is currently no longer running, 345 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: which you know is is kind of a bummer, but 346 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: I get it. It's probably expensive to maintain it. Uh. 347 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: For the record, according to him, no one ever beat it. Uh. 348 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: Some of his critics said that it was um unfair. 349 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: But also you know, I also I have I have 350 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: not signed up where nor do I know anyone who has, 351 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: so I don't know what the actual processes. But apparently 352 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: it's very transparent and you can check some of that 353 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: out on his various websites. Yeah, you can find videos 354 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: as well, all over the internets of people attempting and 355 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: failing to to do that. Um. To be fair, I 356 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: I in previous episodes, I really held James Randy up 357 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: in this light that he was this beacon of truth 358 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: and like things that I really enjoyed. But I don't know. 359 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: The more of these videos I watched, I'm I'm a 360 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: little nervous saying this, but I feel like maybe he's 361 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: kind of a jerk. Well, the I guess the best way, 362 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: the most fair way to say something like that is 363 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: that uh, human beings right, emotional creatures and being creatures 364 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: that are wont to classify the world into an us 365 00:22:52,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: versus them. Uh. People can readily become antagonistic toward anything 366 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: that they see is different, and I understand. I completely 367 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: agree with on on a personal level. And guys, is 368 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: just my opinion. I completely agree with someone who wants 369 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: to remove the danger of a con artist to charlottan 370 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: or a swindler from from the world, because it's true 371 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: that that people have been taken advantage of numerous times 372 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: by someone claiming to speak with the dead, and the 373 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: dead just happened to want you to give them money. Right, 374 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: that that does happen. However, as anybody who has taken 375 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: a psychology course ever, or maybe read a book, or 376 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: maybe really listen to someone once or twice, has anybody 377 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: who has ever done one of those three things knows 378 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: the way to persuade people if you really care, if 379 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: you really give enough of a well where family shows, 380 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: I'll say crap. If it matters to you that someone 381 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: sees a truth, right, or someone sees an error of 382 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: the ways, then there has to be an amount of 383 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: empathy involved. There's a reason that yelling at people, bullying them, 384 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: calling them names never gets them to say, oh, you 385 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: have been rude enough to me or abused me enough 386 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: that I think you are right and Star Trek the 387 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: next generation is better or whatever. I know, like, it 388 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what the actual content of the of 389 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: the argument process is, because it's about the process, not 390 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: about the content that being said. I think it's done 391 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: the world a great service. I think it is an 392 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: unfortunate error, however, on the part of a lot of 393 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: other people who like me, are are fans of some 394 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: of this guy's work. It's just an unfortunate and just 395 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: tragic error to use the excuse that people believe in 396 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: something you don't believe in, especially if it's wrong and 397 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: you could help them to use as an excuse to 398 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: bully someone or or to mock them. You know, like 399 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: I I don't go to someone who believes something that 400 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: I think is um foolish, especially to not hurting anybody, 401 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: to yell at them or to deride them so that 402 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: my some some part of my neural mechanism gets a 403 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: little bit of a high off of persecuting the other. 404 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: That's a sad thing. And you know, I'd love to 405 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: hear what you think about this, listeners, because ultimately the 406 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: emphasis should be on finding the truth, not making people 407 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: feel like garbage. Yeah, that's a rant. Sorry, that's a rant. 408 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: And I and I don't want people to, you know, 409 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: vilify James Randy. I've never met him personally. And again, 410 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: I think that saving innocent people from someone who would 411 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: take advantage of them is a noble thing to do. 412 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: But that's so far away. That's that's very little to 413 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: do with the biggest awards. Would we we had to 414 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: include because it's it's a pretty it's a pretty funny pun. 415 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: And I'd love to see other people who are other 416 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: organizations who are rewarded this. I wonder what his criteria is. 417 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: But like we said earlier, one of the other things 418 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: that they studied here at the ranch were these glowing 419 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: lights that kept being reported, and there are numerous attempts 420 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: to explain this phenomenal what the heck is going on there? 421 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: Most of these were hinging on some of the more 422 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: mundane explanations, like an aircraft that would be going by 423 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: with lights that are flashing or some kind of gas um. 424 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, we've heard a lot of these things before, Yeah, 425 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: meteorological phenomenon. Yeah, it's it's weird because you'll you will 426 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: hear these reports of glowing orbs, right, that's something that 427 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: frequently happens. And these have been explained before. Is I 428 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: mean to paraphrase Beauty and the Beasts, it's a tail 429 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: as old as time. Reports of will the Whisp go 430 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: back decades and decades and decades and centuries. Well, the 431 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that as far as mainstream 432 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: science goes, including in many cases the team at NEEDS 433 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: that was investigating this, there are there is a wealth 434 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: of possible explanations for these things, none of which are 435 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: necessarily extra terrestrial. And and these guys have said before 436 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: and the interviews that they weren't necessarily out to find 437 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: finger quotes or air quotes aliens. They were they were 438 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: trying to find some sort of explanation for this. But 439 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: no one has come up with an instance of one 440 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: of these alleged glowing lights that could not be explained 441 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: by something else, or even more importantly, that could be 442 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: explained by something outside of the bounds of regular science, 443 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: which you know makes me wish at Jonathan we're here 444 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: because this is one of his favorite hobby horses to ride, right. 445 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he would get on this horse and oh man, 446 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: you wouldn't see him again for a week. Right. So 447 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, I love that you point out it could 448 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: be airplanes in the distance, because that that tells us. Uh, 449 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: that tells us something interesting and that we go into 450 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: in our video series that also came out this week, 451 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: which was great. You mentioned at the top, Matt that 452 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: it was interesting to you that Bigelow was investigating this 453 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: stuff and also founding an aerospace company. Oh yeah, an 454 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: aerospace company out there near Las Vegas, which I don't know. 455 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: He's at least interested in going to space, right and 456 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: if if he wants to do more research in that 457 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: realm and he wants to take human beings eventually to space, 458 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't know he I'm I'm interested in this gentleman's 459 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: uh that maybe the things that he wouldn't release to 460 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: the press, that he wouldn't give out an official press release, 461 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: some of his beliefs. I want to sit down with 462 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: this dude and and talk to him one day. I'm 463 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: not a millionaire so I don't know that's ever gonna happen, 464 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: but one can dream. Yeah, who knows, One can always dream? Right, 465 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: I want to take it a step further. This is 466 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: something we talked about, you and I have talked about 467 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: numerous times off the air, which is that many, many 468 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: of the UFO reports from a few decades earlier turned 469 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: out to be top secret aircraft that the US was testing, 470 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: and for that time, they were doing phenomenal things that 471 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: were just far beyond easily a decade beyond public technology. 472 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about craft that could fly across the United 473 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: States in less than half the time that would take 474 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: a normal or a publicly known aircraft. So it's complete, 475 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: really possible that some of these things that are being 476 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: seen are actually aircraft being tested, you know. Oh yeah, 477 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: and especially in the late nineties, like that man the 478 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: tech was. We may not even know some of the 479 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: things that were being developed at that time. I mean, honestly, 480 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: we we may not know yet, right like when everybody 481 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: found out that stealth helicopters exist because crashed. Wait what yeah, 482 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: So so it's completely possible, just because there isn't any 483 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: evidence at this point that it's something supernatural doesn't mean 484 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: that there is not UM. There's not secrecy of foot, 485 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And at this point, if 486 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: we sum it up, if we sum up skin Walker Ranch, 487 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: then as near as we could find, it seems that 488 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: the investigations of Needs which disbanded, UH, the investigations of 489 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: Needs bore little in the way of inarguable evidence, at 490 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: least in the case of Sherman or skin Walker Ranch. 491 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: And like I said earlier, you're gonna hear anecdotes. If 492 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: you just type in skin Walker Ranch into any search bar, 493 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna find all kinds of fun anecdotes that make me. 494 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: It takes me back to my X Files days where 495 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: I just want to go, oh, man, I love this, 496 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: this is so cool. Hopefully there's some kind of shred 497 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: of evidence that I can hang my beliefs on. But 498 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: you're really not going to find it. They didn't. They 499 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: didn't find any kind of body or unidentified animal they 500 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: could explain these the cattle mutilations that they were looking 501 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: into UM. And really they didn't make any video that 502 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: would satisfactorily show some kind of this inexplicable light that 503 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: they kept talking about that would just it's just it's 504 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: it's so disappointing to me. Ben, Yeah, I get it. 505 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: And there's a quote that I'd like to pull from 506 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: an A M A and ask me anything. Thread that 507 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: uh that George Nepp participated in on Reddit. This this 508 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: response when when he was asked why I can't exactly remember, 509 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: but I think he was asked about skim Walker Ranch 510 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: when his experiences were like because he went there numerous times, right, 511 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: And he was asked about um in some very polite 512 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: way about evidence lack thereof, and he said that he 513 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: felt at times there was some sort of intelligence that 514 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: seemed aware of things, was one step ahead of everybody. 515 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: And if and this is a huge gargangeline Purple Mountains 516 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: of Majesty's size, if there is something bizarre foot at 517 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: skim Walker Ranch, it has yet to be proven, unless, 518 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: of course, there's something I guess the ranch or whatever 519 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: powers behind it don't want us to know. Yeah, that 520 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: that idea of an intelligent being that is doing all 521 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: of these things. It's behind the mutilations, it's behind the lights. 522 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: I love it. The kid in me love it, and 523 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: one day, hopefully it will be proven by the third 524 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: wave of researchers that go and stay at the Sherman 525 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Ranch one day perhaps. Uh So, what what do you 526 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: think about these stories about skin Walker Ranch? Is this 527 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: just a bunch of WHOI is there something genuinely strange 528 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: and disturbing going on? And I know these Uh? I 529 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: know this will probably be a bit of a divisive 530 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: topic for us, uh because I I think this stuff 531 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: is fascinating and I love seeing there is some sort 532 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: of explanation. And if you have to speculate, that's fine 533 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: to let us know what you think it could possibly be. Uh. 534 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: If you all are like me, um, profoundly disappointed that 535 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: people don't actually turn into animals, whether whether through some 536 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: horrible transgression or some dark right, then uh let me 537 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: know about that too. We can both complain together online. 538 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: You can find me on Facebook. I do the Facebook 539 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: and I do the Twitter here uh, and you can 540 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: see a lot of stories I find that don't typically 541 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: make it onto the air or on the news. Matt 542 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: and I are both into uncaught serial killers. And just 543 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: for an example, one of the recent stories that we 544 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: posted we're recording this uh, involves a possible uncaught serial 545 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: killer in a small town in Ohio. So do visit 546 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: us at Facebook dot com forward slash conspiracy stuff to 547 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: check that out and I, oh we been That freaking 548 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: sound is back again. You can only mean one thing. 549 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: It must be hello, hey, hey, know how's it going? Man? 550 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: It's going okay? How are you guys doing all right? 551 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: Doing all right? Uh? So the question for you, and 552 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: you might have some questions to uh, if you could 553 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: just at will transform into an animal, any animal? What 554 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: would what would it be? Oh? Any? Any? Um? I 555 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: guess we should qualify any nonfictional fictional animals. So no 556 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: like dragons, which is clearly the best one. No final 557 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: fantasy summons. You know, my answer might surprise you, Ben, 558 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: because you you know about me that I hate and 559 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: slash I'm terrified of birds. But that just seems like 560 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: the most obvious go to thing because it would be know, 561 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: for transportation alone, I wouldn't have to book flights anymore. 562 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: You could just you know, turn into an eagle and 563 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: go to the keys or whatever. You know, some pretty 564 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: long flights though, I know, but you get used to it, right, 565 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I guess it depends on what kind 566 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: of bird you would be, Like would you be a 567 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: migratory bird? Would you be a frigate bird. I believe 568 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: they're the ones that can stay in air for days 569 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: at a time. But yeah, one of those. But they're 570 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: terrible on the ground. Yeah, they're pretty bad. Well, you 571 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: don't have to be a bird in the gray, you 572 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: turn back into it a person call it is that? Well, 573 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: what about you met? Oh gosh, I would I would 574 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: probably go with small, small fox. The small fox. Yeah, 575 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: just a tiny little fox. It's cool, man, I just 576 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: want to make videos. I would set up a camera, 577 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: turn into small fox, make a little fox sounds for 578 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: the video, like, turn back into a human, stop the recording, 579 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: and then upload it to YouTube. Take over YouTube. That 580 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: would be great. I gotta watch out for those old 581 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: rich dudes on horseback wearing the red coats. Okay, I 582 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: changed my mind. It makes me think of invisible. Yes. 583 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: So I don't know what which one I would be. 584 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: It's such a such a big choice. I guess would 585 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: be kind of cool to be a whale. But I 586 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if I have the voice 587 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: for it. I asked my asked my girlfriend recently, without hesitation. 588 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: She was like a house cat turn into a cat. 589 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: I said, what would you do? And she said I 590 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: would learn secrets, which which is a great answer, but 591 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: I completely don't understand that, and it makes me not 592 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: trust cat. Would you do as a as a whale? 593 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 1: As a whale, I don't like, just swim around and 594 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: I guess talk trash or like probably man, if you're 595 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: gonna go whale, go full whale, don't go eight and 596 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: a half yards. You know, I don't know. Man, more 597 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: I think about it, the more whale seems like a 598 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: lame answer. Maybe I don't know. A bird would be cool. 599 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: I always you know you know this about about me? Guys, 600 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: Like I've gone through period where I really want to 601 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: befriend corvid's like crows or ravens, because they're so very 602 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: intelligent and you can teach them to recognize you and 603 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: they'll teach their young to recognize you. Um, but I 604 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: think I just want to hang with them. I want 605 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: to be like they're token human. I don't wanna you 606 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: don't think they would pick on you, like I feel 607 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: like crows would just hate me. Why is that? Man, 608 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: you're really good with I mean, you're good with people. 609 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: I assume it goes to birds just because I'm not. 610 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a chrome man. I think 611 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: they would just they would rag on me all they'd 612 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: write jokes. Well there, because you know there's some kind 613 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: of bilber crow or raven and he's the one that 614 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: I would end up hanging out with. The bilber just 615 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: write on me all day. So so no, you would 616 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: be an eagle. Huh. You know, I have to give 617 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: us some more thought. That's just the first thing that 618 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: comes to mind. Like I said, just if I'm being 619 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: purely functional about my skin walking, yeah, I feel like 620 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: flight would be a little bit better than than swimming 621 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: to and and whales are incredibly intelligent, but you know 622 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: you're kind of limited in what you can do. You're 623 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: also a pretty big target, you know. Oh that's right. Yeah. 624 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: Did you know Japan is going to unilaterally begin it's 625 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: whaling program again? So maybe poor timing on my part 626 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: too soon? All right, well, you know what, let's check 627 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: back in next week unless unless you've got anything. No, 628 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: I just said. The one thing that I guess I 629 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: was thinking about is do you guys both read or 630 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: watch the Game of Thrones? The see Oh yeah, yeah, 631 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: there's the skin changers or whatever in that show, and 632 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: the Wars, and I guess it's not. They're not exactly transforming, 633 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: but they're sort of inhabiting, you know, the Totem creatures. 634 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: I just kind of felt like there had to be 635 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: a parallel between the terms skin changer and yeah, yeah, 636 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: that would be you know, that would be at least 637 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: an influence. Pretty cool. I don't know, would it be 638 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: better to have an animal that, like you, inhabit the 639 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: body of, or would be better to change into one, 640 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: because if you think about it, the drawback to that 641 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: kind of thing is you always end up naked at 642 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: the end. That's true. That does seem really inconvenient. I 643 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: think the vulnerabilities of changing into an animal, especially if 644 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: it's a much smaller animal, I think that's dangerous. So 645 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: being able to warp into one, but then you leave 646 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: your physical body, you know, if it's unattended, someone could 647 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: always you know, excide. Maybe I should stick with the 648 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: ocean so that we have this whole land air sea 649 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: thing going on for like a superhero true a whale 650 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: and eagle in a tiny fox. Yeah, I'm still I'm 651 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: not sold on whale. Maybe just a shark, oh an octopus? 652 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: Oh man, those things are cool. We are pretty cool. 653 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. That's a little bit 654 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: love crafty and okay, guys, so let us know, I 655 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: guess in addition, what kind of animal you would want 656 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: to transform into. We're just curious. We're just no one's 657 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: no one's getting graded. We're not gonna be We're not 658 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: gonna read your email or I won't read your tweet 659 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: or your Facebook and think that's a dumb animal or whatever, because, 660 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 1: let's face it, a whale was kind of out there. 661 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: It's not the most practical. Yeah, and he's he's kidding 662 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: the fox come on, but we we will not judge 663 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: you at all. Very interested though, because that that really 664 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: is a childhood thing, right, the idea of being embodying 665 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: an animal, Oh yeah, absolutely from people have animals with 666 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: which they identify on a spiritual level, to right, um, 667 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: a certain spirit animal and maybe a totem of some 668 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: sort people worship. Uh so yeah, i'd be I'd be 669 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: interested to hear about that. Oh what about a spider 670 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: if it's changed into a spider? Yeah, okay, one time. 671 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: This is I don't know if I ever told you this, 672 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's the right with how 673 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: say it on air. But just one more thing. One 674 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: time I had this like recurring dream where I cut 675 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 1: myself and instead of blood, I would like bleat spiders lord, 676 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: And I found out that I was actually a massive 677 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: spiders that had like stolen someone's skin and just thought 678 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: I was a human being. It was trippy, man, that 679 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: happened inside your head. Yeah, well it was a dream. 680 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: It's not real. I'm a person. Oh man, that is 681 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: that's horrifying. Yeah, well, uh, speaking to fantastic segways, it's 682 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: I guess it's time for us to head out. Uh, 683 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: that's it. So I find us on Facebook, find us 684 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter, let us know about all that stuff. But 685 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: if you don't want to use any of that social media, 686 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to go to stuff. They don't want 687 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: you to know dot com because your your fingers hurt 688 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: and you just can't type that long to b r L. 689 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: That's cool. Just write us an email. We are conspiracy 690 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: at how stuff Works dot com. 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