1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my trusted colleague 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: West Hodkowits were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West while we continue to wait 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: for head coach Mike McCarthy to finalize his coaching staff. 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: For will have plenty of time to discuss that in 7 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: the coming shows. But until then, there is a piece 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: of news to talk about with regards to the Packers, 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: and that is actually the no news piece of the week, 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: and that the NFL announced its London Games, the Games 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: across the Pond, as they say, for three contests, and 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers still not chosen. Nope, the Green 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Bay Packers one of three teams now that have not 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: been selected to do anything in the International Series. Those 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: teams are, in no in particular order, the Green Bay Packers, 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Houston Texans and Carolina Panthers are the teams that are 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: still looking to make that trip. You know, there's a guy, 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's Socrates, right, We have Spotts here that 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: is saying that maybe two two thousand nineteen would be 20 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: the year. And if you want to know why the 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers, who happened to play in a stadium 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: with sixty thousand less seats than the l A Coliseum 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: where the Rams play, potentially could be a fit. We're 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: not saying that this is going to happen, but if 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: it's going to happen, Mike, you would think this is 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: where it could be a potential fit. Yeah, that's where 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: I I sort of pegged a while back. I pegged 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: the Chargers game in twenty nineteen as the one a 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: combination of things. Obviously, the Chargers moving to l A, 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: the Rams moving to l A. They're both playing in 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: temporary stadiums, and teams in temporary stadiums while they're waiting 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: for their new stadium to be built, can be plucked 33 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: by the NFL play a home game overseas. So that's 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: the that's the first part of it. The Packers are 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: scheduled to play the Rams in l A and ten, 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: the Chargers in l A and twenty nineteen. So you 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: look at that and go, Okay, you think it's going 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: to be one of those two games, pretty good odds. 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Then you factor in that the rams temporary stadium holds 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: ninety thousand seats and the Chargers temporary stadium holds thirty 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: thousand seats. Now, the Packers have not been played a 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: game in the l A market for how long, so 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I can't even think of what year it would be, 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: probably right something like that. So you've got an opportunity. 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: Then if the Rams games stays at the Coliseum, you 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: have an opportunity potentially with all the Packers fans on 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: the West Coast who would want to see that game 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: to fill a ninety thousand seat stadium, whereas the thirty 49 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: thousand seat stadium for the Chargers game in twenty nineteen 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: just makes more sense to be the one. You move 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: it over to Wembley Stadium in LA where you could 52 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: sell eighty thousand tickets. That becomes a great opportunity, and 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: you're not taking the way from the fans that first 54 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: opportunity of the Packers being in the l A market. 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: They go to the l A market. Then you flip 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: the Chargers game across the pond in nineteen. It's sort 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: of what I saw lining up over the last couple 58 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: of years, and it just seems to make sense. Yeah, 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: and again, we'll we'll see all this plays out. There's 60 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: nothing that's been set in stone yet. But I'll say selfishly, 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: I actually do like the way that this worked out 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: because I'm kind of I'm sort of quirky in the 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: way that, um, I really do want to cover a 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: game at the l A Coliseum. There's so much history there. 65 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in Super Bowl one, WrestleMania seven. But but no, 66 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: but I mean it will be cool to actually cover 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: a game there. And with all due respect to the Chargers, 68 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't have an endearing need to cover a game 69 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: at a soccer stadium. So yeah, for for me, I 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: really do. I know there's a lot of Packer fans. 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: You and I get it almost every day, definitely every 72 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: week about what are the chances of the Packers are 73 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: going to play in London. I want to go there. 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: You want to go there. The Packers really do want 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: to go there too, but it has to make sense 76 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: for them, and I think sometimes when when you look 77 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: at the equation, you only have sixteen games in the 78 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: regular season, the Packers are not going to give up 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: a home game. It means too much the community of 80 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Green Bay. You have endless amount of sellouts. It just 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. The economic impact in this community. I mean, 82 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: it's it's the lifeblood economically of what goes on around here. 83 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: And to to reduce that by ten twelve percent by 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: removing a game just not something the Packers are interested 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: in doing. You've seen what the differences even with them 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: not having a playoff game at home this year, in 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: the stories that are written about that. And then the 88 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: other thing, conversely, is that a lot of places they 89 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: don't want to give up the Packers away game either 90 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: because it's an opportunity to sell out. I know there 91 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: was a lot of rumors, even some reports that ended 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: up proving to be inaccurate in the summer of two 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen or summer two thou fifteen. Excuse me that 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: the Packers in two thousands sixteen could be going to 95 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and having that game broad overseas. But as even 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: Mark Murphy said his uh in his conversations with Um 97 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: the owner from the Jaguars, they don't want to lose 98 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: that game either, and it proved to be a sellout 99 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: on a very hot day in Jacksonville. So these are 100 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: all of the economic and competitive things that go into this. 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: The Packers want to go out there, but it has 102 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: to make sense. Yeah, and one of the teams going 103 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: over to London this coming season is the Chargers. And 104 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: we've had some questions from fans, Well, then does that 105 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: mean that the Chargers wouldn't go in back to back years. 106 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: The answer is not necessarily. And again, you know, um, 107 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: we can't say for sure that the Packers Chargers game 108 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen is moving over there. But just because 109 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: the Chargers are going over there in eighteen does not 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: necessarily factor into, um the twenty nineteen decision because they 111 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: are in a temporary stadium and that yeah, the and 112 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: and when you look at it from the Chargers perspective, 113 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: they can probably make more money because those home games 114 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: you can only sell thirty thousand tickets. And it's not 115 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: as it's not as though you can suddenly just say well, 116 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: we're going to charge three is for all them to 117 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: make up make the same amount of money in a 118 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: ninety thousand seat stadium. It doesn't work that way. And 119 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: let's be real to Mike, the Rams and Chargers are 120 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: both trying to create new fan bases. They're trying to 121 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: get people to rally around these teams. Right now, the 122 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: whole storyline for most of the season for the Charges 123 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: has been they basically played an away game every week. 124 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: When they've had home games, it's been teams that have 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: been coming, you know, traveling well into their stadium, so 126 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: they're waiting. They're trying to get to that new stadium 127 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand is a twenty one. Now, I'm trying 128 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: to think of when they pushed forget it. Yeah, they 129 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: it got pushed back, and I forget now. If it's 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: either twenty or twenty one, that's when they're really going 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: to be off and running. Until that point, you know, 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: I think they just want to find a way to 133 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: to to fill seats, and one of the ways to 134 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: do it, in my opinion, is to put them in 135 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: the Packers in Wimbley and Uh. Again, We'll have to 136 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: wait and see how the next couple of years play out, 137 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: but as far as two thousand eighteen is concerned, no 138 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Packers International Series for now, London not called. With that, 139 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: we'll go to a break back with more on Packers 140 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: on drifted right after this Welcome back to Packer's Unscripted 141 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz in that one 142 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: and West just to bring the fans attention to a 143 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: story that's on Packers dot com um that I recently 144 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: posted left guard Lane Taylor. There may not be a 145 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: more high quality player and high quality individual in that 146 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: Packers locker room who goes more under the radar. He's 147 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: obviously playing next to an all pro left tackle, and 148 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: he's also next to a fifth round draft pick at 149 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: center who just signed a contract extension, So there's been 150 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot of attention on those guys around him. But 151 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: Taylor is a Taylor is an interesting guy. Had a 152 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: really neat conversation with him in the final open locker 153 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: room after the regular season finale, and uh I even 154 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: asked him about you know, well, hey, what do you 155 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: what do you think? You know? Are you aiming for 156 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl here someday you know you think it 157 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: can happen, and not to put the card before the horse. 158 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: But Lane Taylor was like, well yeah, and his comment was, 159 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to be just another guy. I'm still 160 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: trying to be one of the best in the league. 161 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: I want to be. In that conversation, it says a 162 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: lot about and he's he's not being hyperbolic about himself. 163 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: It says a lot about his work ethic, his attitude, 164 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: where he's come from as an undrafted guy out of 165 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State and where he is now. And I take 166 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: my hat off to the guy. I think he is 167 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the definition of a guy who brings his pay all 168 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: to work every day. Uh does I don't want to 169 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: this as a negative connotation, but does the nine to 170 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: five job, comes in, goes home, doesn't ask for a 171 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: whole lot of notoriety. Yeah, just does his job. And 172 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: the impressive thing about Lane Taylor is that's always been 173 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: his thing. And to some point, you could probably make 174 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: an argument if you want that maybe that's part of 175 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: the reason why he went on draft in two thousand 176 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: thirteen is for that reason he went so far under 177 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: the radar. But if you really go back and look 178 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: at it, a guy that started four years at Oklahoma State. 179 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not talking about the sun Belt here, 180 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: in no disrespect of the Sun Belt, but we're not. 181 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about one of the Power five 182 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: conferences in the country. Yeah, and he was a starter 183 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: for four years for them. I think it was forty 184 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: seven start seven starts, forty one offensive lineman drafted. I 185 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: told that story earlier this year he wasn't one of them. 186 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: In two thousand thirteen, comes to Green Bay and ends 187 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: up in pressing, and to be honest with he's kind 188 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: of had like this Aaron Rodgers type trajectory where he 189 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: basically was on the bench for three years. He got 190 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: to sit back and wait and then when they finally 191 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: put him in there. You and I remember what it 192 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: was like that first week in two thousand sixteen. What 193 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: fans were saying, Yeah, that's surprise release of Josh sitting 194 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're turning over the left 195 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: guard spot to Lane Taylor, who has to step in 196 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: for a three time pro Bowl guard. There was a 197 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: lot of panic. The sky was falling. This guy's not 198 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: gonna be able to protect you know, Aaron Rodgers is 199 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: what are they doing? And literally that was a narrative 200 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: for one week. And I remember talking to him in 201 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: Jacksonville after that game, like how did it go? He's like, well, 202 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of hot, you know, I mean, but it 203 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: was business as usual for him, and he's kept that 204 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: same mentality and I think that conversation that you had 205 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: with him really speaks to the individual that Lane Taylor is. Yeah, 206 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: it was interesting talking to him because I asked him, Okay, 207 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: so now you've got your second year as a starter 208 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: under your belt, So where do you think you improved 209 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: the most from your first year as a starter in 210 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, through that second year as a starter in Seen, 211 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: he said, He says, I I look at some of 212 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the film from He says, I just laugh at my technique. 213 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: Sometimes I sit there and go, you know, what are 214 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: you doing? And he feels like he's become so much 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: more of a refined player. I think the technique, you know, 216 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: I think he sort of described it as you know, 217 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: when his technique got out of control a little bit, 218 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: it was just, you know, you're trying to throw blocks 219 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: just to survive out there. You know, you're doing whatever 220 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: it takes, but it just doesn't look all that polished. 221 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: He choked that up in some respects to playing left 222 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: guard for the first time as a starter in the NFL, 223 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to the four years he started at Oklahoma 224 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: State was all at right guard. All of his game 225 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: experience in college was at right guard, so there was 226 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of that shift, and he's now feeling 227 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: so much more comfortable, particularly with one element of his 228 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: game that he that he described to me, and it's 229 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: what he called the jump set, which is where an 230 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: offensive lineman has to sell the run on a play 231 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: action pass, but then be ready to pass block and 232 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: not you know, not just have the guy do a 233 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: quick swim move and get by you because you're too far, 234 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: you know, out over your toes trying to sell the run. 235 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: He said in he really had some bad moments with that, 236 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: things that he really didn't like, felt he really shored 237 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: that up in so it you know, these kinds of things. 238 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: You and I don't see him every day. We're not 239 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: looking at every single snap of film like he is, 240 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: like his coaches are, but but it just it speaks 241 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: to all the finer details that these guys are working 242 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: on all the time to try to take their game 243 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: to the next level. And he feels like he still 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: has another level left to go. And I was talking 245 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: with Justin mccrane at the end of this season two 246 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: and now, obviously he ended up making a lot of 247 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: starts at right tackle, but his natural position is guard, 248 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: and he mentioned how much of an eye open experience 249 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: it was this year working with JR. R. Evans, who's 250 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: obviously a six time Pro bowler, multiple time All Pro, 251 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: twelve year veteran, and Lane Taylor. He pointed him out 252 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: too and said, you know, whether people realize it or not, 253 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: Taylor is pretty darn close, if he's not already there, 254 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: to be in a top ten guard in this league 255 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: because of just how how sturdy he is, how durable 256 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: he is, and how accountable he is at that position. 257 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: And he's continued to learn throughout this process. Uh. The 258 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: thing I guess when I'm going into this next year 259 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: with him, the fact that they did resign Corey Linsley. 260 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Now they extended Taylor at the beginning of the two 261 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen season, and David Baker has been extended since 262 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: September of two thousand and sixteen. That left side of 263 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: the line is together now. Yeah. And he talked about that. Yeah, 264 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: he talked about that and how and how comfortable he 265 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: feels with you know, the continuity that the three of 266 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: them can develop now over multiple years together with all 267 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: them being locked up. Yeah. And and it was one 268 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: last little story I thought was interesting talking to David 269 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: box tr at the end of the season. Um, him 270 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: and Lane Taylor, I don't think we're feeling great during 271 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: that Detroit game. I think they were kind of banged up, 272 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: but they said they had that conversation with each other 273 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: in the second half, even when things were not going 274 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: well for this offense, they were not going to quit 275 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: on this thing. They were going to finish this game. 276 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: And I think that mentality really tells you a lot 277 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: about those offensive lineman. What the Packers have really, you know, 278 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: grown in terms of that culture in that room. Yeah, well, 279 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: we've seen in Green Bay guys like Trumont Williams, Sam Shields, 280 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: undrafted guys who eventually made it to the Pro Bowl. 281 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: A guy like Donald Driver, a seventh round pick made 282 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: it to a Pro Bowl. I'll be really interested to 283 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: see if Taylor gets there someday. But with that, we're 284 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: going to throw it to a break back with more 285 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: on Packers unscripted. Right after this, Welcome back to Packers 286 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: un ripted. Mike Spofford here, West Hodkowitz over there, and West. 287 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: We are coming up on really what is the best 288 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: playoff weekend in the NFL. It's what they call the 289 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: Divisional Round, which isn't a very descriptive phrase by any stretch, 290 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: but you're at the final eight here. Um two games 291 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: on Saturday two games on Sunday. I want to start 292 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: with the a f C games. You have the Tennessee 293 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Titans at New England on Saturday night and the Jacksonville 294 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: Jaguars at Pittsburgh on Sunday afternoon. I've felt for a 295 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: long time, for multiple months here, that the a f 296 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: C has been pointing towards Tom Brady versus Ben Roethlisberger 297 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: for the a f C Championship all along. I think 298 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: that is what is going to happen. Do you see 299 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: a possibility of an upset by one of these road 300 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: teams in the a f C always a possibility, Yeah, 301 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's always that chance. But I do look 302 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: at these is more twelve three versus four teen seeds 303 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: in the n c A Tournament. To be honest with you, yeah, 304 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: I know. There's actually some people and I appreciate this 305 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: kind of feedback. I like this stuff. People replying to 306 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: our podcast on Twitter yesterday, uh saying I was really 307 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: down on the Jaguars. I'm not down on them. Leonard 308 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: for Nett. I ran him as a running back for 309 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: Fantasy football all year long, but he was my second 310 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: round pick. But here's the thing, um Marcus Mariota and 311 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles need to manage these games for their teams 312 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: to be in it. Um. I look at Bordles right now. 313 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: The Jaguars have to play better against the Pittsburgh Steelers, 314 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: and they did against the Buffalo Bills. We're talking about 315 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: on the jump that they're going to have to make 316 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: in terms of this competition. Their defense kept a minute 317 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: and they very well could keep them in it again 318 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: this weekend. Yeah, their defense could, but their offense clearly 319 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: has to do more. They have to do more. Blake 320 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Bortles is not going to be able to have another 321 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: game where he outrushes his passing game, you know. I mean, 322 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be able to to utilize his 323 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: tools around him. And I understand they're depleted with their receivers. 324 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: I get that, Um, But Blake Bortles needs to manage 325 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: that football game. They need to get the run going 326 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh. If I'm the Steelers right now, you have 327 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: the killer Bees, and I've seen this narrative popping up 328 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: about if there's pressure on them to get something done 329 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: here with this group. No, oftentimes we hear a lot 330 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: about wealth Aaron Rodgers in the window. Pittsburgh is looking 331 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: at the same situation. Uh, you know, Roethlisberg even I 332 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: think a tad older has Levy on Bell and Antonio 333 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: Brown a unanimous All Pro. This is their chance to 334 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: get on a run. And as you've said before, I 335 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: think they are the most complete team in this field. Um, 336 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: and they need to get past the NFL's best defense 337 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: this weekend, second best defense. Yeah, and they're talking about 338 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: some potentially nasty weather in Foxborough on Saturday night, you know, 339 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: some some sleep. Yeah, the Patriots have been through that before. 340 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: You wonder what that will mean for a team like 341 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: the Titans coming from Nashville. That being said, they are 342 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: a team that can run the football. And if you 343 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: if you get some bad weather and then you're able 344 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: to establish some things on the ground, maybe that helps 345 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: to keep Tennessee in it. But I just I see 346 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: both of these road teams as just such big underdogs 347 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: with with what they're going up against. And and I think, 348 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think we're gonna be talking about a 349 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: Patriot Steelers a f C title game to Marco Murray's injury. 350 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: I think you see this a lot in the NFL 351 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: where it opens the team's eyes to their younger player, 352 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: and I think with him being out it showed them Okay, 353 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: probably going into two thousand eighteen, Derrick Henry needs to 354 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: be our guy. I thought he had a phenomenal performance 355 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: last week. If he can run the ball the way 356 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: he did in that that victory against the Patriots, who 357 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: have had their issues defensively this season, that's going to 358 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: keep the Titans in this. But Marcus Marriot is gonna 359 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: have to make some plays with his feet and he's 360 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: gonna have to protect the football. Yeah, and I want 361 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the the NFC games too, but we're 362 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna do that after the breakback with moreen Packers unscripted. 363 00:17:41,400 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: Right after this Welcome back to Hackers Unscripted, Mike Spofford 364 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: alongside West hog Wits and West Shifting Gears to the 365 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: NFC playoffs coming up here this weekend. On Saturday, we 366 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: have the Atlanta Falcons traveling to the top seeded Philadelphia Eagles, 367 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: but that top seed without their starting quarterback, as we 368 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: talked about Nick Foles stepping in for Carson Wentz, and 369 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: then the finale of the four game parlay in the 370 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: NFL this weekend is I think the one that a 371 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: lot of people are really looking forward to the New 372 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints traveling to Minneapolis to play the Vikings, a 373 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: rematch of Monday Night Football in Week one. Both of 374 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: these teams looking at heck of a lot different than 375 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: they did back in Week one. How do you see 376 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: these NFC matchups plan out, Mike Spofford, I don't have 377 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: this readily available. This has to be the first time 378 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: I would think. I'm not gonna say NFL history, but 379 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: at least during my living and breathing time, maybe you 380 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: can think of a time that a number six seed 381 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: has been favored over a number one going on the 382 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: road in the divisional round of the playoffs. Yeah, that's 383 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: that's the reality. Yeah, the Atlanta Falcons are hard for 384 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: me to think of any any time where that would 385 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: have happened, because this is just such an unusual case 386 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: with the Eagles hanging onto the one seed even after 387 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: they lost their starting quarterback, and so they're just they're 388 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: viewed as very, very vulnerable. If there was ever a 389 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: year to be a number six, this is this, and 390 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons looked pretty darn impressive last week. But 391 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: the original point, I think this game against the Saints 392 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: and Vikings could be one for the Ages. It's finally 393 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: the unstoppable force first, the immovable object the Saints in 394 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: that offense and Kamara and Ingram and there you know 395 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, so many weapons there for Drew Brees, who 396 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: has now a capable defense to to back him up. 397 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: And then you have basically the polar opposite in the 398 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. That defense number one ranked in the league, 399 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: one of the top most stifling pass rushing you know 400 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: packages in the league, and offensively kind of making do 401 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: the way they have a Case Keenum in that litany 402 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: of running backs, very interesting to watch. This will be 403 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: on my TV. I will be glued to the to 404 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: the two one that day. It's it's gonna be a 405 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: great one. Yeah, it's the The The way these NFC matchups 406 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: came together is really interesting because the with the visiting teams, 407 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: you have the quarterbacks who have been there and done that. 408 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan has been to a Super Bowl, should have 409 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, Drew Brees has won a Super Bowl. 410 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: And then the home teams in these NFC matchups have 411 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: quarterbacks Nick Foles in case Keenum. They've both had their 412 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: share of accomplishments in the NFL, don't get me wrong, 413 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: but they haven't done anything in the post season. And 414 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: we all know that the postseason is a different animal. 415 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: And that's that's what's just really intriguing about this, because 416 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: there is something to be said for home field advantage 417 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, but but there's also a lot to 418 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: be said for having quarterbacks who have gotten the job 419 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: done before. There is that whole analogy. And I don't 420 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: want to take anything away from keenom here because he's 421 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: had a phenomenal year, but there is that kind of 422 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: Cinderella aspect to this. No question, clock is going to 423 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: strike midnight. The lucky horseshoe as it may be very 424 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: talented guy. They are in this position getting a first 425 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: round by because of case Keenum. If they didn't have 426 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: somebody step up in the aftermath of Sam Bradford's injury, 427 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: they might not even be in the running for this thing. 428 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how good your defense is. If you 429 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: can't offensively do something right. The Lions might have might 430 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: have won the division absolutely and to be able to 431 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: replace Delvin Cook the way they did. At the same time, 432 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: I really want to see how he does this and 433 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: then also look on the other side of it, the 434 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: Atlanta Felcons. This is a great opportunity. Maybe Philadelphia pulls 435 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: it out. Great defense there, but the Falcons could get 436 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: on a run here too. It's so many different angles 437 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: to watch. What's your call for the NFC Championship matchup? 438 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: What are you going with? I think it's Atlanta and 439 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Minnesota, but um, it is 440 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna be I think the Saints have a chance here, 441 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: it just can they beat them in that stadium. I 442 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's gonna be the NFC South. 443 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: I think Atlanta is going to be going interesting. But yeah, 444 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: with that, that's a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 445 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 446 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot Com on Twitter. He's at west 447 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: Hod I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. 448 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, everybody, We'll see you next time. 449 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: H m hmm.