WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 091722 Backlash Against Black People in Fairytales (Part 1) 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.640 Welcome to another episode of Civic CZICHERI Army host Ramsey's Jah. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.960 He is ramses Jah, I am q Ward and you 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.840 are tuned in too, say excited for us? 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.959 Indeed, be sure to stick around. Had a crazy week 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.400 this week, A lot of crazy stuff going on, So 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:17.320 we are going to talk about all of it, not 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:25.479 the least of which is p and b Rock. That's tough, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.000 and we're gonna sit with that. We need to sit 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.319 with that. It's very important that we do. So we're 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.639 going to take some time and go over that. We're 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.520 also going to talk about a lot of the backlash 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.800 that we've been seeing in you know, some popular television 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:48.919 serieses serieses. I think that's how I say that. In particular, 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.720 we're going to talk about the backlash to our new 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:57.600 black Little Mermaid, as well as some other shows including 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.880 A House of the Dragon, which is a Game of 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:05.039 On spin off, and The Rings of Power, which is 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.640 a Lord of the Ring spin off, and the backlash 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:15.520 against black characters who exist in imaginary worlds. We're going 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:20.920 to spend some time talking about someone who deserves his 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:30.880 just due, the filmmaker Oscar Michell, a very profound black filmmaker, 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.320 and we're going to dedicate our way Black History factor 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:38.880 him and everything else. Unfortunately, this week we had to 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.200 leave a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor, 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.360 but there are going to be some other things that 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.000 naturally make their way into this show because again, it's 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.280 been a very very busy week out there. The Devil's 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.680 been busy, as they say. But first and foremost, we 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.720 are going to start off on a positive note. If 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.040 you've seen the Emmys, we're going to dedicate our Ebony 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.960 excellence to the IBNY, to the to the Emmys. That's 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:12.360 all right with c shall we shall? So this week's 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:17.960 Ebony Excellence, we're going to shout out Sharlee Ralph. The 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.359 article comes from The Atlantic and this of course is 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:26.880 sponsored by Hip Hop Weekly Media. In the minutes after 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.080 the actor won Outstanding Supporting Actress in the Comedy Series, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.520 she sang and beamed and inspired the audience to leap 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.040 to its feed again and again and again. Her acceptance 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.480 speech was the kind of moment that television, live television 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.760 in particular is made for, and he needs more of. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.040 If anyone who has ever ever had a dream and 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.119 thought this dream wasn't or wouldn't come true. I'm here 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.560 to tell you, this is what believing looks like, this 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.959 is what striving looks like. And don't you ever ever 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.040 give up on you. This is what she said. She 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.480 of course thanked her family, her children, her friends, everyone 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:08.040 that voted for her. And it wasn't just the speech itself, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.600 but you know, she's a respected performer who's been waiting 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.120 decades since her starting in the late seventies to be 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.480 recognized on this kind of mainstream level. Man in the 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.120 room as soon as her name was called, seemed to 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.440 understand how overdue her recognition had been, giving her a 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.040 standing ovation even as she seemed too overwhelmed to leave 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.280 her seat. You know when couldn't have been more fitting 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.160 than for her role on Abbot Elementary, which is a 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.160 comedy about an underfunded public school, where she stars as 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.280 Barbara Howard, a teacher who in the protagonist played by 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.360 the show's creator Keen t To Brunson, admires and considers 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.320 her mentor. Barbara is a trailblazer. Ralph is the same. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.520 And that speech was magnificent. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.480 I want to add, she's such a great actress that 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.680 I've been upset with her for like twenty years for 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.640 not letting her fake daughter in a movie sing in 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.320 the school a choir. So I just wanted to point 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.560 that out. That's how good she is. I'm real life 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.560 upset that Rita couldn't sing in the choir. Sister Act two. 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.280 That's funny, that's funny. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:16.800 Well, you know, entertainment is a big part of our 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:22.560 world and our culture in this country, and so this 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.600 week you're going to notice that we're dealing with a 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.520 lot of entertainment stuff. You know, Normally we deal with politics, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.560 we deal with you know, police sing, we deal with 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.160 institutions that we consider to be white supremacist or otherwise 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.600 have roots and white supremacy. But this has been a 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:45.160 big week in entertainment, and so we're going to address that. Now. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.599 Have you seen the trailer for The Little Mermaid A 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:49.880 little bit that's going on. I have. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.800 I watched it with my beautiful daughter. Oh yeah, we're 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.400 both very excited about what's to come from the good 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.400 old folks at Disney. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:04.000 So if you're like me, you saw The Little Mermaid 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:09.240 in the early nineties, might have been late eighties, somewhere 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.599 in there. Somewhere in there. Yeah, VHS you know where. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.880 I was born in eighty two. So Little Mermaid was 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:20.120 one of the Disney masterpieces that came out. Disney would 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.920 come out with a movie every year and everyone would 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:26.880 go see it. It was an always an animated movie, and 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:36.000 the character was a white, red headed mermaid figure. And 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.039 there's another movie that I saw. I believe it was 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.480 called Splash. Don't ask how I know that, because I 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.640 don't remember anything. I remember that movie. Yeah, and it 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.440 was about a mermaid too, it was, and the mermaid 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.400 was a white, blonde haired woman this time. And I 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.880 think that if you close your eyes and I say 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.400 the word mermaid, the vision that comes into your head 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.279 listening to my voice, now in your head, it's a 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:11.880 white woman. Now, we the Black Delegation, we feel like we, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.719 you know, we could be mermaids. Do we could be? 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.560 You know what I'm saying. It's so strange that we 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:25.800 don't exist in the imaginations of people and their fantasies 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.360 and these sorts of things. And when we do, it's 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.680 such a big deal. But you know what, I'll be honest, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:39.080 because that's just the way the world has been. Oftentimes, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:45.000 we don't notice or recognize that we're underrepresented in certain areas, right, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:51.680 and so when I believe to be a group of allies, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.520 people who are like, hey, you know what, we need 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.000 to change this. Why can't are be? But mermaids are 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.360 fantasy creatures, you know what I'm saying. So we can 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.479 use our men genation here and we can make a 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.280 black mermaid and she can be a little girl and 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.679 goes through you know what I'm saying. These experiences happened 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.480 to black mermaids the same as you know, every other 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:16.160 kind of mermaid. She were being mermaid. Yeah. So you 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.920 know the group of people that allowed this decision to 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.760 make its way to that trailer and then ultimately the movie, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.080 you know, they thought that this might be something that 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.560 the world could use. You know, we've seen white mermaids 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.280 for the entirety of our life, which is why if 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.560 I say mermaid, this is an example of the platonic ideal. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.360 The image that pops into your head is a white 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:45.520 woman with seashells for her braw and a green sort 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.800 of fish tail. And you don't think of a man, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.840 You don't think you certainly don't think of someone black, 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:58.280 you know what I mean? And you know the people 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.240 that decided to make this change. Are people that are 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.920 being inclusive, which we applaud. We recognize the need for that. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.000 We want to exist in these fantasy lands too. We 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.280 want to be represented in these places the same as 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:15.720 anyone else, you know what I mean. The problem is 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:22.880 the backlash, right, Okay, so the very expected backlash too. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.760 I'm sure Disney knew that they would get these types 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.560 of responses, and. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:28.880 You know, if it was the only one it'd be, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:35.360 it wouldn't be fine. But but this has happened obviously 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.480 a lot, just this month. So this is why we're 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.840 talking about it. Anyway, I'll read So this comes by 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.360 a news one. My aerial is black and she's swimming 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.040 in white tears. So over the weekend, the trailer was 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.080 released for the live action rendition of Disney's The Little Mermaid, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.680 starring black actress and singer Hallie Bailey as Ariel. And 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.720 of course, the trailer's release has reopened the floodgates and 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.400 put us under the sea of white peers we were 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.480 already put under when it was first announced Bailey would 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.880 be playing the lead role a few years ago. A 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.880 lot of people are talking about what's called forced diversity 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:18.959 in Hollywood and uh, the the author of this article 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:25.400 makes a point of discussing forced whiteness, right, which you know, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.679 for folks who are listening to this, this is kind 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.439 of what we were alluding to, you know what I mean. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.720 I'm not saying it was a concerted effort of people 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.400 got in the rooms like aeral needs to be white. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.760 You know, in the early nineties or early late eighties, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.000 it was just the default setting. You know, why would 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.520 why would anybody even think of a mermaid being black? 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.400 You know what I mean, because obviously whiteness was the default, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.360 which is kind of strange because human beings are black, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.760 meaning that if you like, go on Google maps and 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.199 search Earth and guess where the pen is and to 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.600 drop right in Africa where human beings first evolved with 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.480 first you know, consciousness and the first creatures to be 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.720 able to call themselves human beings. So this should in 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:16.640 theory be the default, right. But you know, whiteness is 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.880 the default in this country. And because this country really 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:24.560 sets the uh the culture, global culture, you know, with 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:29.160 our entertainment exports, you know, our film and language and 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.280 you know all the other things fashion that sort of stuff. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.480 I really do applaud this effort of people trying to 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:42.120 make Disney, trying to make right some of the wrongs 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.079 that they have inactive on black people and some of 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.560 the stereotypes that they perpetuated over the years. You know, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.080 there's new, more inclusive Disney is a very welcome Disney. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.360 In my book, my person, I want to speak for you, Q, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.520 but in my book, I think that this is something 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.760 that is very necessary. I don't think that this is performative. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.200 I think that little girls will be able to see 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.520 this and see that Aeriel is black, and you know, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.920 white tears is probably a strong term for me. I 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.440 don't want to see anybody's tears, but I recognize the 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.920 point that the author is making there in that. You know, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:22.800 for some reason, it's it's almost always a certain group 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.840 of white folks. They tend to be very conservative, you know, 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.480 very traditional, and they just don't like anything black. In fact, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.320 if it's black, they kind of actively push against it. Meanwhile, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.120 over on this side, you know, a lot of times 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.400 we find with our Hispanic brothers and sisters, our Asian 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.760 you know, like a lot of communities of color, people 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.880 who want into marginalized communities, inclusivity is kind of the 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.040 name of the game. We kind of, yeah, let's bring 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.600 more folks to our table. There are some notable exceptions 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:54.079 or some people who have ideas that will never make 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.920 their way to sit excipher and they're just as black 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.600 as me and YouTube. But for the most part, our 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.600 black culture tends to be very inclusive, and a lot 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.880 of times when we find that, you know, when it's 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.520 our Caucasian brothers and sisters in particular, those who are 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.199 in positions of power who actively work against inclusivity and 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.600 kind of allowing us to exist, you know, and be celebrated, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.079 it's very hurtful. And again, if this was the only 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.560 thing we were talking about, that be one thing. But 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:32.280 as you know, the list continues. So I guess you 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:33.520 want to take the next one. You want me to 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:33.800 get it. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.400 I mean, it's sure, you know, the idea that we're 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.199 not allowed to exist in even fantasy spaces. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.160 It's almost like they don't want us, like in their 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:44.560 perfect world or imaginary world. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.800 I mean, but that's it. It's not almost like that. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:51.840 It's like that this is our imaginary, perfect fantasy space. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:54.959 We'd rather you not exist here. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.360 And I want to be clear, this is not the 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.840 authors or the producers of the shows this attitude. It's 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:06.160 the public that has taken someone else's fantasy made it 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.920 their own. And the public, not the whole public, but 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.640 a certain facts subsect of the public that you know, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.360 just wars against the fact that black people now exist 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.560 in their fantasy world or the fantasy world that they've 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:25.000 been shown or read about, or whatever the case is. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:31.400 Yeah, it's unfortunate that just the idea that I have 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.480 to get excited right watching the trailer for instance, for 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.680 The Little Mermaid was Ico that she she'll get a 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.040 Disney princess that looks like her, that I have to 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.560 be conscious of it. And I wasn't aware of the casting, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.880 so when I saw it, I had a real life yeah, 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.720 Like I hadn't read the articles or the press releases 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.720 to know that, you know, she'd be in it. So 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.760 I goes, only version of The Little Mermaid will be 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.160 this one. This will be her first you know what 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:11.079 I mean, interaction with Disney, you know, besides Encanto, which 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.800 also gave her some pride because as you know, Icho's 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.520 mother is from us, She's from Mexico. So the Spanish culture, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.200 the Latin culture very very important and I pactful for her. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.080 So I'm excited that ICO will have a much more 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:31.040 inclusive representation from all things sure with regards to the 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.160 arts and you know, fantasy than we did as children. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.880 So let's move this on a little bit to something 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.720 that's a little bit more grown up. We're gonna talk 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.240 about the Game of Thrones spin off. Do you watch 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:44.840 Game of Thrones? 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.200 Of course I watch Game of Throne, me too, all 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.200 of them, all ofm Okay, all right, this comes from Variety. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.840 House of the Dragon star Steve Toussaint slams racist viewers. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.600 They're happy with a dragon flying, but not a rich 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.160 black guy. Oh what I say in a mouthful Steve 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.400 Tussant is for those that watch the show, he's a character, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.160 you know. I'm just gonna tell the story, all right. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.280 If you didn't watch Game of Thrones, the original series, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:22.520 there's a family that controls dragons. Right. This family, as 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.360 as George R. R. Martin wrote in his books, is 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:32.440 a family known by their silver hair and purple eyes. Right. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.920 The reason that this didn't show up on the screen 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.960 is because the actress couldn't wear the contacts. The actress 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.800 from the original series Calisi. I don't know her name, 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:45.800 Amelia Clark. Is that her name? 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:46.760 Sure? 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.840 All right, let's go with it, all right, shout out 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.200 to me Clark. She needed to know my name. That's 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:59.640 the important mart anyway. So this was the Fantasy world, 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.120 and in the original series, none of the family members 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.280 were alive around, you know. It was her and her brother, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.640 and I think her brother died very early, so she 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.840 was kind of the last of her clan. Right. So 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:21.680 this new series takes place centuries before. It's a prequel 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.120 to the Game of Thrones, right. In this new series, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.520 her family is all together and fleshed out and deep, right, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:35.040 And some of her family members or relatives or people 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.240 from that group of people with her clan or whatever, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:43.120 her crowders. Sure, some of them are black skinned people, right, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.640 And guess what they have silver hair. I'm not sure 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.320 what color their eyes are, you know, kind of dimly 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.800 lit program and I'm not really all up in dudes' 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:58.080 faces like that. But the silver hair is meant to 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.000 signify that they're a part of this clan of people, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.160 Valerian people, right. So this is what people have pushed 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.040 back on, like, why in the world is this black 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.800 actor of Valerian in a show called House of the 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:20.239 Dragon where there are real dragons that fly flying dragon right, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.199 So none of these people ever existed. This is not 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.840 a historical account of the family. And you know, in 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.800 so far as they can be their true to the 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.280 character silver Hair never said that they did not have 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.200 a melanated skin. And if you look at the guy 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.800 that's in question, the the I'm not sure the character's name, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.040 but the actor's name is Steve Toussant. If you look 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.680 at his character, he plays Lord Corliss, Lord Carliss. Okay, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.600 Hilarian nice. So he is a Larry there you go. 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.000 This guy is he looks like a g It looks 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.720 like God. You know, he's got like these dreads and 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.600 they're like silver. It's like, you know what I'm saying, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:10.000 and you gotta understand. Okay, So you know, Q and I, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.680 as we mentioned, we watch Game of Thrones. We got 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.439 into it. I don't know why you got into it. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.560 I'm just into everything that's like royal king, you know, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.960 queen that sort of stuff. You know, my name is Rams's, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.200 my last name is King, you know, and I just 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:25.600 kind of grew up that way. You know what I 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.480 mean anything having to do with a castle or a 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.760 pyramid or something cool and regal. I'm just into it, right, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:38.000 And you gotta know how that hits somebody like me 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.960 when I'm into a show and I see an important 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:51.240 character and he's black in a space where that's not typical. Right, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.800 So when I saw him, I was surprised. I was like, whoa, right, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.280 but surprised in a good way. And I'm sure if 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.879 you're listening to me in Q show and you've listened 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.800 to us for some time, then I'm sure that you 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.880 probably had a similar reaction. WHOA, How cool is that? 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.199 That's a good thing, But you need to know, just 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.520 like we do, that there is people, a very vocal 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.280 group of people who push back against this, and it's 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:23.520 very sad because it's like, Okay, you're cool with dragons, 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.199 but not cool with melanin, Like how far does this? 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.840 How far does this go? You know what I mean? 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.760 I mean, what's more believable? They're cool with a woman 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:36.400 with a fish tail and half of her body being 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.920 covered in scale. I'm like, you talk as long as 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.880 she's not black, keep on talking cute because you're saying that, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.320 you know what I mean and they treated as historical fact. Well, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:51.800 Aero was white. Arion is a cartoon mermaid. She didn't 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:53.880 actually exist at any point on Earth. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.240 People. 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.879 She could be purple or Awkua and people would be 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:05.080 fine with that. It's the brown that they are not enjoying, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.920 very very straightforwardly, the brown that they are not enjoying. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.240 It's very hurtful, and I think that, you know, I 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.040 don't want to say to be fair, but if I 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.800 was to try to pinpoint a source of it, I 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.119 you know, we've talked about on this show, and you 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:29.399 know on the Black Information Network Daily podcast, how there's 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.320 a lot of our Caucasian mostly brothers, but some of 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:38.480 our Caucasian sisters too that really feel like the quote 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:44.680 great replacement end quote unquote sorry is a real thing. 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.800 They think that there's a concerted effort for people to 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:50.720 replace them. You know, my real problem with the great 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.760 replacement You only have one people. It's not singular, but this. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:59.080 Is the one though, good go ahead. They'd be fine 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:03.200 with it as long as there's the ones doing the replacing. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.240 That's the part that makes my stomach turn. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:08.280 Right. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:13.480 It's because, of course, you don't want your race to 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.520 be wiped out, and if you're dumb enough for someone 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.760 to convince you that's true, it could incite fear and 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:24.840 panic and distress and anxiety. Sure, but those saying people 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.479 would be fine if the people being replaced or wiped 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:30.200 out or. 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.159 Becoming the victims. 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.200 Of genocide, if they didn't look like it didn't look 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.160 like them. Even in this space where you're talking about 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:43.919 reality versus historical context, when Cleopatra was cast as a 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:49.240 beautiful white woman, they were not so up in arms 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.119 about the historical precedent. Well clear, Patra was Egyptian and 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:58.359 from Africa, she couldn't be Elizabeth Taylor. No such article 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.359 was ever written by the segment of our entertainment world, 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.439 or the journalist, or just the fans and people who 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.359 are upset. They never were so up in arms about 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:15.280 actual historical figures being replaced. You know, a movie called 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:21.119 Gods of Egypt was made. It was called Gods of Egypt. 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:22.720 Every star I. 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.240 Remember in that movie was white. I remember that. 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.720 Every lead speaking line character in that movie. 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.120 Was I remember that one. You know, I remember that one. 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.760 And that wasn't fifty years ago, this is like seven 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:37.920 years ago, I'm knowing. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:42.040 But watch this. Okay, So we talked about Little Mermaid, 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:48.159 we talked about House of the Draft. Watch this this 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:52.399 comes from I didn't This comes from CNN. Elijah Wood 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.760 and the original Lord of the Rings cast shut down 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.720 racist critics of Rings of Power one time. For Elijah 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:05.080 would wat's this. Amazon Prime had to shut down the 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:09.560 comments or like some sort of message board or chat 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.359 room or something like that having to do with the 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.520 Rings of Power. I could read this, but you know, 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.760 I'm when a paraphraser. 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:25.480 Because people were upset that they were black hobbits. This, 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.359 this is this, All this stuff happened like in the 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:28.040 past month. 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.080 I'm not laughing because it's funny, y'all. 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.439 So you know the Star Wars franchise, You remember that, 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.639 Remember when when the Stormtrooper took off his helmet and 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:41.720 he was black and everybody's like, oh, and that was 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.280 in the trailer. You know what I'm saying, there's a 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.359 real thing. And on their side, they think, Okay, why 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.159 do black people have to be everywhere? Now? Why is it? 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.359 You know what I mean? This is what they think. Well, 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.960 because we exist, you know that's the answer. But you 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:56.919 know they haven't seen it, they haven't grown up with 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:01.560 it and to them, coupled with that what they've been taught, 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:06.800 which is they're being replaced. Jews have a concerted effort 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.320 to organize the melanated individuals of the world to replace 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.639 white people. This is a real thing that some of 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:17.480 these white conservative people think when they see a black 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.840 person in a space where they don't expect it in media, 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:24.000 then they feel like it's the woke Hollywood liberal agenda 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:28.280 to force blackness down their throats. And of course, from 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:29.840 where we sit, it's just like, no, we want to 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.720 exist in these fantasy places. We want to have black skin, 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:34.440 We want to go to other planets. We want to 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.120 fly on dragons, you know what I'm saying. We want 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.080 to swim in under the sea with Sebastian and how 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.880 dare you want flounder? You know? And this is kind 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.240 of what we run up against. But it's important for 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:49.680 us to share this with you, our listener, because our 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.359