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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me doing really great.

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Speaker 1: I think I just needed to be around people that

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Speaker 1: were also really like, hey, we want to help you

441
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Speaker 1: and we want to see you progress and surround yourself.

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Speaker 1: And that made me open up more about what I

443
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: wanted because I knew deep down I did want that,

444
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Speaker 1: but it was hard to share it in that moment.

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Speaker 1: So they really helped me bring that out and be

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Speaker 1: able to thrive under that situation. It's like, hey, we're

447
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: going to try to get you here as a team,

448
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's really special too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you have to have I always believe that

450
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Speaker 3: unless you're willing to vocalize what it is then you want,

451
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 3: then you don't get to get it. Like, yes, it

452
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: could happen by chance if you're like one of the

453
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Speaker 3: quote unquote lucky ones, but I would even argue that

454
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be one of the lucky ones,

455
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Speaker 3: because so much more is learned in the adversity, in

456
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 3: going through the motions, in putting myself through the paces,

457
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Speaker 3: whether we're talking about running or we're not talking about running,

458
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Speaker 3: to get what it is that excites me, and that

459
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Speaker 3: like really lights me on fire. And so for you

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Speaker 3: to then be able to get to a place where

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Speaker 3: not only you could vocalize what was important to you,

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Speaker 3: but then also open yourself up to the support.

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Speaker 2: And that is something that I think is so challenging.

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Speaker 3: Right because I don't know about you, but I'm someone

465
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Speaker 3: who's like, well, I just want to do it myself.

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Speaker 1: Definitely. I'm definitely that type too, and I still am.

467
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Speaker 1: I hate asking for help, and it's it's like, you

468
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: really can't do it alone in this sport. And that's

469
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Speaker 1: something I've learned being on multiple teams and just even

470
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Speaker 1: in college, like it really you do need that support

471
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Speaker 1: system around you. But as stubborn as you can be

472
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Speaker 1: and as determined as you can be, it it's not

473
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Speaker 1: It's not an easy sport. And timing is a lot

474
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Speaker 1: of things in this sport. So it's really like you

475
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Speaker 1: need to capitalize on everything that you can take. And

476
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Speaker 1: I learned to take in more and let that help me.

477
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Speaker 1: And that was a big key.

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Speaker 3: Someone hears that I learned to take in more and

479
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Speaker 3: allow them to help me, and they're like, Okay, this

480
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: sounds really good, right, Like, oh, well it worked for her,

481
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 3: then maybe it could work for me, but still like

482
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Speaker 3: I'm facing some internal resistance to allowing myself to accept

483
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Speaker 3: the help. Do you have any like practical takeaways or

484
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: anything that really worked for you that made you feel

485
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Speaker 3: as though you were more open to allowing that help in.

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Speaker 1: I think, honestly, it was building my confidence through the running,

487
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Speaker 1: like especially because it was being able to put each

488
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Speaker 1: piece together and have that consistency of the pieces and

489
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Speaker 1: seeing it like come to life slowly and surely, like

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Speaker 1: each like the indoor season had a few steps forward

491
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Speaker 1: and it was like okay, and it was like okay,

492
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Speaker 1: like let's write down some more goals for the outdoor season.

493
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Speaker 1: It was like I was taking all those little pieces

494
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Speaker 1: that I was seeing progress with and then using it

495
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Speaker 1: to then build confidence because I was taking a lot

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Speaker 1: of confidence from each workout. And I remember, actually I

497
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Speaker 1: would get so high from like a good workout and

498
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Speaker 1: then so low from a bad one, and it was like,

499
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Speaker 1: oh wow, because I was craving that, like I wanted

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Speaker 1: to have that high of a good workout. And then

501
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Speaker 1: suddenly later in the season it was like it was

502
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Speaker 1: just mellow, like it didn't matter if it was high

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Speaker 1: or low. I just like kind of calmed down with

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Speaker 1: the workouts because I didn't let it like get high

505
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Speaker 1: or low. It was just like steady and consistent. And

506
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Speaker 1: when I was studying consistent, it made me feel calmer,

507
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Speaker 1: it made me feel confident, and that was also then

508
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Speaker 1: what allowed me to talk more about the running and

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Speaker 1: be expressive about the running. But it did take me

510
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Speaker 1: being more consistent with it in my journey. But I

511
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Speaker 1: think some of the hardest parts is like, oh, when

512
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Speaker 1: am I going to when am I going to have

513
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Speaker 1: that breakthrough? Or like the comparison game is really hard too,

514
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Speaker 1: and I just really had to focus on my journey

515
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Speaker 1: and that was like a major key too. It's like,

516
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Speaker 1: this is my running, my journey. It's not going to

517
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Speaker 1: look like anyone else's. I don't know if anyone else

518
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Speaker 1: got attacked by a dog six months ago and is

519
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Speaker 1: doing this. It's just like no one really knows your

520
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: journey like you do, and you just got to focus

521
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Speaker 1: on that and then let other people help support that.

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Speaker 3: slash hurdle. Let's get back to it. So you say

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Speaker 3: that you were to find confidence during your running when

557
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: you were executing the workouts, even though if some of

558
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Speaker 3: the help to get there along the way came from others,

559
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: it was building that confidence within yourself to say, hey,

560
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Speaker 3: I can combine all of this to get to where

561
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: I want to be, which is so so powerful for sure.

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Speaker 3: What would you say that you learned about yourself in

563
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Speaker 3: this process of if I just keep putting in the work,

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Speaker 3: and I also don't let the highs get too higher

565
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Speaker 3: the lows get too low, better about staying neutral? What

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Speaker 3: did you learn through being better about staying neutral.

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot about myself and how determined I was,

568
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Speaker 1: Like I was determined to not let my like I

569
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: wanted to change what my story was from high school

570
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Speaker 1: to college, Like I was very determined to give myself

571
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Speaker 1: a shot. And I think I just learned that I

572
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of self belief, always in myself, and

573
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Speaker 1: I just needed the right opportunity to really show and thrive.

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Speaker 1: And I think it was always easy for me to

575
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Speaker 1: be able to believe that I could do something, like

576
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Speaker 1: but it was sometimes you just need the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: show it. And that's why I was so hard in college.

578
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Speaker 1: I was like, man, I just can't catch a break.

579
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Speaker 1: But I really still wanted to see what I could

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Speaker 1: do when I was healthy, when I was confident, and

581
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Speaker 1: when things were clicking. And I've always believed in that,

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Speaker 1: and I think I just learned that I was. I'm

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Speaker 1: very determined, and I am a big dreamer, Like I

584
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Speaker 1: run with a lot of heart when I'm racing and training,

585
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Speaker 1: and yeah, I have I'm a big dreamer.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big dreamer, and that's a good thing to be,

587
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Speaker 3: especially when you've got big dreams to chase after now

588
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Speaker 3: I know that you also met your husband shortly before

589
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Speaker 3: you went to do that fifth year of eligibility. Talk

590
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Speaker 3: to me a little bit about how you were able

591
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Speaker 3: to make the time to chase your dreams and give

592
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Speaker 3: breath to your personal life. I think that's a big

593
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Speaker 3: challenge for a lot of people, whether we're talking about

594
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Speaker 3: athletic goals, personal goals, or anything in between.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really funny also when we started dating,

596
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: because it was right honestly, as I was getting that injury,

597
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Speaker 1: and like we started dating right after that. And I

598
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Speaker 1: remember a month later, like after we started dating, I

599
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, by the way, I'm going to spend

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Speaker 1: another year in college, Like I'm not graduating this year,

601
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Speaker 1: so you're going to have to come visit me more

602
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Speaker 1: because you're the one that's making the time to come

603
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Speaker 1: down to visit me in Georgetown from New Jersey. But yeah,

604
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Speaker 1: we made it work and honestly having the time for

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Speaker 1: each other, Like he had to come see me a lot,

606
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Speaker 1: and he did have more time like as a professional runner.

607
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Speaker 1: But also I didn't want to inhibit his training too.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, getting on a train every weekend is

609
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: not the right thing for your training. So we really

610
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Speaker 1: made it work of It was distance for the first

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Speaker 1: year and even a little bit into COVID, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we just made time for each other in

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Speaker 1: the right time. But also we're both making sure that

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Speaker 1: we were supporting each other on each other's journeys. And

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Speaker 1: his was as a professional runner and mine was to

616
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Speaker 1: try to qualify for NCAA's at the time, but they

617
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: were very different goals but also very important to both

618
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Speaker 1: of us. And so just making time for each other,

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Speaker 1: in space for each other and just supporting each other

620
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: was like the biggest thing. And yeah, DC was a

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Speaker 1: fun place to go on dates at the time and

622
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Speaker 1: get away from the running, and yeah, it was an

623
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Speaker 1: easy We were both on the East Coast, which made

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: it easier and we were both from New Jersey so

625
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: than anytime we had winter breaks or anything like me

626
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Speaker 1: coming up to him. So yeah, the biggest thing was

627
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: just making sure that each of us felt supported in

628
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Speaker 1: what we were doing as a couple.

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Speaker 3: You highlighted that he also is a professional athlete. When

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Speaker 3: you think now about what life looks like for you

631
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Speaker 3: as a professional runner, is it what you expected that

632
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Speaker 3: it would both look like and maybe even more that

633
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm interested in what it would feel like.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, from dating Robbie, I was able to get a

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Speaker 1: glimpse of what it could look like, and that really

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00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: opened my eyes to what it was like. And even

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Speaker 1: when he was traveling to Europe in the summer and

638
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: doing the summer races and prepping for US Championships to

639
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Speaker 1: qualify for Worlds, that was my first like eye opening

640
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: experience to what it could look like. And honestly, it

641
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: looked pretty fun to me because you're getting to do

642
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Speaker 1: what you love, which is running, and you're getting to

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Speaker 1: chase your goals and travel the world. And I think

644
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Speaker 1: being able to see it through his eyes first actually

645
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Speaker 1: then made it way less surprising than when I turned professional.

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Speaker 1: But it was a big adjustment turning professional during COVID

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Speaker 1: because then I signed in the fall of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and then COVID happened in twenty twenty, so my first

649
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: year as a professional looked very different than a normal

650
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Speaker 1: person's first year. So it honestly gave me the space

651
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Speaker 1: to actually just train and adjust to my coach at

652
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: the time and get adjusted to the professional life. So

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Speaker 1: in a way, it actually I think COVID year helped

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Speaker 1: me just get get my bearings of a new situation,

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Speaker 1: and it ended up having a breakthrough in twenty twenty one,

656
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: which was like my big breakout year. And I would

657
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: say this year, similar to twenty twenty one, is the

658
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: most healthy I've ever been. And in the years between,

659
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: there's always just been some setbacks or timing issues of things,

660
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: and it's like this year's very much reminding me of

661
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: what like twenty twenty one felt like. And that's kind

662
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: of special because I was my first year's professional and

663
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: now I've gone through some hurdles over the last three years,

664
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: and it's like this year things have been just like

665
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: clicking really well, and I've been healthy, the most healthy

666
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: I've ever been as a professional, and I'm stronger and

667
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: just a lot of things are coming together at the

668
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: right time. And I think that's what also attributed to

669
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: making my first outdoor team in twenty twenty five.

670
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: What do you attribute that to?

671
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: What do you attribute the being your most healthy self

672
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: to At this moment.

673
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Listening to my body and focusing on the timing of

674
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: the season too was really important. After the big injury

675
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, I really we wanted to take

676
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: things slow, and I think we didn't really put a

677
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: timeline on what twenty twenty five would look like. I

678
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: remember we were like, let's not do indoors if it

679
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. And I had run indoors a lot

680
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: in the past and run it hard, and I'm from

681
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: the East Coast and I love racing on the East

682
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Coast a lot, and a lot of the races are

683
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: up there. But this year we're like, yeah, let's not

684
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: put any pressure on it. And I think taking the

685
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: pressure off and just really building and being in tune

686
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: with my body, things were just starting to click faster

687
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: than we even thought. And then when I did run

688
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: a couple of races indoors, it was like, oh cool,

689
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: this is like a perk, but it didn't need to happen.

690
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: And I was very much this season like for every

691
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: race I did, I wanted to one be excited about

692
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: and that was a big thing. It's like, Hey, I'm

693
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: really excited to run this race. Let's do it. And

694
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: we're really focused on that. And I did a bunch

695
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: of different events. I did a road five k, I

696
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: was running a fifteen hundred, I did the Grand Slam

697
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: three K, and just making the most out of the opportunities,

698
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: but also being really smart and calculated in like the

699
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: timing and the recovery of things, and just also being

700
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: now on the on Athletics club for two and a

701
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: half years, I'm physically a lot stronger adjusted to altitude.

702
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: I've been lifting consistently for years, and I think just

703
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm a lot more. I'm just a lot stronger too,

704
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: And that was showing and things were just clicking, and yeah,

705
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: I just felt I kept saying to Dathan, like I

706
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: feel very in control. Like after a workout, I'm like, yeah,

707
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: I didn't like take as much ad as me as

708
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: it used to do. And that's kind of been the

709
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: trend this season. And yeah, we got to see some

710
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: really big breakthroughs this season, which is just really exciting.

711
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, super exciting.

712
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 3: Now, I'd be remiss if I continued as on without

713
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: going back to the part where we didn't talk about

714
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: how you feel being.

715
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: A pro athlete right now.

716
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: I know we don't like to talk about our feelings,

717
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 3: but does it feel how you hope that it would feel?

718
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Is it different? Is it what you expected?

719
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it feels like what I expected it

720
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: to feel like. I think I never realized how hard

721
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: it could be, and it took some hard moments of like, man,

722
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: like you are dedicating so much time for this, but

723
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: I honestly wouldn't have it any other way because it's

724
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: such a unique chapter in my life and it's really

725
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: special that I get to do this and so cool

726
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: like to tell people too, like when you're explaining what

727
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: you do, it's like I get to work out and

728
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: exercise and chase my dreams and travel the world. It's

729
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: honestly not as surprising as I thought it would be,

730
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: but it's really special. And I think it's really special

731
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: too that my partner did it too, and he understands

732
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: it and he's not a professional anymore. But it's a

733
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: lot easier being with someone who understands what that lifestyle

734
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: is like and we're always on the same page with that.

735
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: So I think that also is just like a nice

736
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: perk on top of that.

737
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: Back to when you said that when you were getting together,

738
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: it was challenging for you because you didn't want to

739
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: be like I just did this silly little run today

740
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: and so much different than yours, Like how did you

741
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: get out of that comparison trap mentality? And open yourself

742
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: up to sharing this with him, something I'm sure you

743
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: hadn't had previously in a relationship.

744
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started to get excited about it. So then

745
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I was like starting to brag and be like, oh,

746
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: well I did this workout and then this. So I

747
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: started to see it as a positive of like, oh,

748
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: like look at my progress. So I saw it as

749
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: more of a like, oh, we can actually like really

750
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: connect on this right now, and it's okay, and I'm

751
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: not like embarrassed by it, even though we're at different

752
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: points right now, Like it's not no, he he actually

753
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: just cares and like let him care. So yeah, seeing

754
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: it as something positive and now I'm still years later

755
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: bragging about the workouts I'm doing to himself.

756
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: I want to bring us back to Nationals this year. Obviously,

757
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: such a mer moment for you coming in third in

758
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: that five k. I rewatched that race earlier today and

759
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: I saw the joy on your face. Talk to me

760
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: about where your head and your heart were in that moment.

761
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I felt so calm in that race.

762
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: And in years past, I remember like being in the

763
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: middle of the five k and there was like a

764
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: stress to it and it was like, oh, this is

765
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: harder than it should be. And this was the first

766
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: US Champs that I've run where at halfway I was

767
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: like I feel good, Like this is so nice, and

768
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to I put myself like in the middle,

769
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: back of the pack, and I just wanted to just

770
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: like accept like the race is going to be what

771
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: it is, and you're just going to run what the

772
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: race is. It's like, it's just a race, and you're

773
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: gonna you're capable to be in the top three in

774
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: this race, and let it play out how it's going

775
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: to play out. So I really accepted in the first

776
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: half of like, hey, you're just going to hang out,

777
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: be in the back, and with a k to go,

778
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: I did make a big move to the front because

779
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: it got kind of to the point where there was

780
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: a lot of us still in the race and it

781
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: was scary going into the front. But I also trusted

782
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: in my training of like progressing the pace down. We

783
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: practiced that a lot, and so I took the lead

784
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: and kind of broke open the race where then it

785
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: was a smaller pack because at first it was still

786
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people and it's a scary thing to

787
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: go to the front and be in that spot because

788
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: everyone's just chasing you down. And in the last lap,

789
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I actually do get passed by three people, and I

790
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: remember with one p fifty to go, I made sure

791
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: that I had something more gears in the end because

792
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: I really wanted to save a really great last hundred.

793
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: And I remember in that moment of people passing me,

794
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: like it could have been really easy for me to

795
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: like get tense and be like, oh no, like that's

796
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: the team I lost it, But all I did was

797
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: just like no, trust. I really trusted myself in that

798
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: moment of like, no, you still got this, You're still

799
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: feeling good, Like let's just keep going. There's still one

800
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty meters to the finish line, and I

801
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: had a great last hundred and got in the third spot,

802
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: and crossing the line was just it felt like such

803
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: a like a relief moment because this season has been

804
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: going so well, and yes, I was a heavy favorite

805
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: to make the team this season, but it's one thing

806
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: to be a favorite, but another thing to also like

807
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: get it done. And it was just such a great

808
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: feeling of like yes, like you made it, Like you're

809
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: going to outdoor worlds like you've run on indoor teams before,

810
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: but you haven't made an outdoor team, and that was

811
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: like kind of like hanging over my head the last

812
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: few years. And it was a great feeling of you

813
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah. I was just really proud and a

814
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: lot of relief honestly from it, and just like calmness.

815
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I guess I felt a lot of

816
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: calmness to it because it was like, yeah, you did it,

817
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: and you could do it, so yes?

818
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: So yes?

819
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: Were you always good at staying calm under pressure? Is

820
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: this a learned behavior? Where does that come from?

821
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: It's been hard in the past at US Championships, especially

822
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: because you're thinking about maybe oh I'm not as prepared

823
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: I should as I should be, or like in a

824
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: situation where you're coming back from injury. Those situations have

825
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: been hard. But I think it just takes a lot

826
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: of practice, and in the races, like you get to

827
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: really practice that, and that was something I did practice

828
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot this season of being calmon. There is something

829
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: about having calmness in a race. It's like your body's relaxed,

830
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: your stride is less tense, the shoulders like you're just

831
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: moving more fluidly. And it's always I always feel faster

832
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: when I'm in that like flow state, and I wanted

833
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: to really be in that state. So it's something that

834
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: you can practice, I guess a lot in practice, but

835
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: it's another thing to practice it in a race. And

836
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: it's definitely something that I think people get better at,

837
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: of course, Like when you see the best runners in

838
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: the world, like they know how to run well under pressure,

839
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: and that's something that I want to be able to

840
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: do too.

841
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 3: Well, you're obviously already doing it, but I do think

842
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: that it takes a certain amount of practice, a certain

843
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: amount of reps, right, Like, you don't just show up

844
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: one day and you're entirely confident in all of your abilities.

845
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: It takes showing up day in and day out and dealing.

846
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: With those junkie days to remember that, hey, like I

847
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: can do this when it feels hard, and that then

848
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: instills your confidence in your strength for the next go around. Now,

849
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: when you think about the next go around, and I'm

850
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: not talking about the Diamond League, of course, I'm talking

851
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: about the main event here, when you think about showing

852
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: up on that starting line, what do you anticipate that

853
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: inner dialogue to look like.

854
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to have this sense of calmness and belonging

855
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: because I've always wanted it and I've always felt like

856
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: I could be there, and now it's like, hey, you

857
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: are there, and now you get to show it. So

858
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I do feel like always when I'm running on like

859
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: the biggest stage, it's like I do get this sense

860
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: of calmness because I feel I'm so happy to be

861
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: there and I want to be there, and it's like

862
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly what you want to do. And I'm

863
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: going to go into that prelim and do everything to

864
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: put myself in a position to be in that final

865
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: because in that final anything can happen, and you got

866
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: to get through step one to get to the final.

867
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: But I'm going to put myself in it and know

868
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: that I belong because when you make the team for

869
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: Team USA, it's one of the hardest teams to make,

870
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: it's like you know that you belong in that world

871
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: stage and you belong with the top competition. So I'm

872
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Speaker 1: really gonna honestly embrace the moment and yeah, run my

873
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Speaker 1: heart out.

874
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Run my heart out, as you should.

875
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Speaker 3: We hear this all the time, and for someone that

876
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: may not be well versed, why do we hear that

877
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: Team USA is one of the hardest teams to make.

878
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: The amount of depth there is in the US is

879
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: really amazing. So that means like, getting top three, you

880
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: are one of the best in the world. And that's

881
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: why the system is so tough. It's like you need

882
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: to be top three on that day. There's no discretionary spots,

883
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: there's no selection process, and it's just that the US

884
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: is so deep in its running and yeah, it's really

885
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: hard to get on Team USA, and once you're there,

886
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're one of the best in the world. Yeah.

887
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: I have chills when you say that out loud, and

888
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: I can't help but wonder if you were to tell

889
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: your younger self that you would be here in this

890
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: moment now, being able to represent not only the US

891
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: but really pursuing one of your biggest dreams, what would

892
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: she think about this?

893
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: I think she'd be very excited and also like so proud,

894
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: so proud that through it all, like you just kept

895
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: working at it, like I just have honestly worked really

896
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: hard to get here, and it's really exciting to see

897
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: it come together at this time and also gets me

898
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: excited for the future of it, because I do feel

899
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: like I'm going to be doing this for a long time,

900
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: and it feels like almost step one. It's like, hey,

901
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: you got to the outdoor chance, and now let's see

902
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: how far you can go after this.

903
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: Now, I know that when you really care about something

904
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: so passionately like you do about your sport, that the

905
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: choices that you have to make aren't always labeled as sacrifices.

906
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 3: But you do have to make some sacrifices or some

907
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: difficult choices in pursuit of your profession. What would you

908
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: say the most difficult choice that you've had to make

909
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: over the last five years has been.

910
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: You're very much in your bubble when you're running, and

911
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: it's hard to turn down, like taking trips home to

912
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: see family, and you feel like it's you feel guilty,

913
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: like there's like some guilt involved of like, hey, I'm

914
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: not coming home for this, I'm actually going to go

915
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: train at altitude during winter break and Christmas break. So

916
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Speaker 1: I think it's just like the constant cycle of like

917
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Speaker 1: in the running cycle, it's like hey, the season ends,

918
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: and it's like you get two weeks off and then

919
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: you start to build up again for the next year,

920
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: and it's the constant training where then the breaks are

921
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: very limited and sometimes they can it feels hard to

922
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: like get home and visit family sometimes because of that.

923
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like you have like more grace

924
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: with yourself now over situations like that than maybe you

925
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 3: did when it started?

926
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Speaker 1: I think so, especially because I think our family and

927
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: friends also understand it at this point so much, and

928
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: like they understand what it takes and like it's the

929
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: they want to support me in what I'm doing and

930
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: being able to chase my dreams and knowing that it's like, hey,

931
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Speaker 1: this is a very like critical time in my life

932
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: to do this. It's gotten easier because of more people

933
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: understanding it and understanding the situation.

934
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Speaker 3: For sure, someone comes to your Instagram page, they see

935
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Speaker 3: a woman, a professional for on Athletics club and obviously

936
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Speaker 3: a runner on her way to world championships. But when

937
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: you look in the mirror, Josette, what is it that

938
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: you see looking back at you?

939
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: I see someone that has never given up even when

940
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: things have been hard. I see someone that's very determined

941
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: and goes after what they want even if people don't

942
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: think she can do it.

943
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: Do you feel like there's been moments where you've really

944
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: faced doubt from others.

945
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: In the professional career, it's like, hey, you've been I

946
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: think people used to put a limit on, like, oh,

947
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: you can only do this for so long, and I

948
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: think that's definitely changed in the culture, especially for female runners.

949
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: It's like you're seeing women run later than they are

950
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: in their careers. And I'm twenty nine and I've made

951
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: my first outdoor team as a twenty nine year old,

952
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: but you're seeing more and more often women making teams

953
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: in their thirties, having babies and also coming back from that,

954
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: and so it's really exciting to see that shift in

955
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: honestly the story and timeline of female runners, and it's

956
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: really exciting and I want to be part of that

957
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: conversation too, like, yes, I'm twenty nine, but also I

958
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: feel like my best running years are still ahead of me,

959
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: so I think, yeah, there can be some conversation of like, oh,

960
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: is this the end or is this no? It's like,

961
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just the start.

962
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: Just the start. What are you excited about right now?

963
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: What goals do you have both on and off the track.

964
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to one go to the world champion

965
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: chifs and I want a big goal make that final

966
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: and see what I can do in that final and

967
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: compete with the best in the world. That's like very

968
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: immediate and happening right now, and I think got to

969
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: have tunnel vision with that. But in the future, like

970
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: goals with running, I just want to see how far

971
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: I can go in this sport. For sure, I want

972
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: to see how much I can improve. Even though I'm

973
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: running the five k, I love running the mile. I

974
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: want to see how fast I can still run in

975
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Speaker 1: the mile, and just like keep improving my five k

976
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: and keep making teams and competing, keep progressing and seeing

977
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: how far I can go. And off the track, I

978
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: have a online running business with my husband called Miles

979
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: to Go, and I would love to keep coaching athletes

980
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: and growing that side of it. And because I do,

981
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: I am very passionate about the sport and coaching, and yeah,

982
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: I want to keep growing that business side of things

983
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: because that's also in the future.

984
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about what it's been like

985
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: working on that while also dialing in on your own training.

986
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: How is working with your significant other.

987
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: We make a really good team. It's really exciting and

988
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: I would say right now, I'm taking a backseat in

989
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: our miles to go business, but and he's the main

990
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: guy holding it down with the runners. But I also

991
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: have a few athletes and want to be setting myself

992
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: up and like getting better at coaching and working with

993
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: different people. So we're building something together that we're both

994
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: passionate about and we're helping people, which is a big thing.

995
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 3: There's a very big rise right now within running track

996
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: and field in female coaching.

997
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: Is that something that you do see for yourself down

998
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: the line.

999
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: I definitely am very interested in coaching, and I think

1000
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: a lot of that also came from my college coach,

1001
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: Julie Cully. She was an Olympian from New Jersey and

1002
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: seeing what she was able to do as a profession

1003
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: and then transition to coaching like she was a great

1004
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: mentor for me to see that, and I was like,

1005
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: I want to be just like her when I was

1006
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: in college. So it's it's definitely hard, and you see

1007
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: that there is so few women in coaching, and I

1008
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it would look like, but it

1009
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: is definitely an avenue I want to explore in the

1010
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: future after my running career. But I don't know which

1011
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: way it would look, whether like that was college professional,

1012
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: making your own running group like, but I think there's

1013
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: a lot of possibilities and it's something that I definitely

1014
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: see myself exploring in the future.

1015
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: Open to the possibilities.

1016
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: As we wind down here right now, you have an

1017
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 3: opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice looking back

1018
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: when you got that frightening dog bite and so much

1019
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 3: just felt instantly beyond your control when you dealt with

1020
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 3: that bone injury. Right now, knowing what you know now,

1021
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: what advice would you give yourself in that hurdle moment.

1022
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: I would definitely give myself some grace and understand that

1023
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: some things are out of your control. But when you

1024
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: also surround yourself with the people that believe in you

1025
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: and want to support your goals, like, really special things

1026
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: can happen. So I would say, really hone in on

1027
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: those people and use their support because it's really special

1028
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: to have and it can really help you grow as

1029
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: an athlete and a person.

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Speaker 3: Josette, so happy that we were able to chat today,

1031
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: and I'm going to be rooting for you in Tokyo

1032
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: for those that aren't following along with you, just yet

1033
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: give us the details. Where can they keep up with

1034
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: you online?

1035
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: They can keep up with me on my Instagram. It's

1036
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: at Josette Norris, but you can follow along on there.

1037
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: I'll hopefully be posting a lot of fun stuff going

1038
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Speaker 1: into Tokyo, especially.

1039
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Speaker 3: Oh my Gosh, I'm Over at Emily Body and at

1040
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Speaker 3: Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.