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Speaker 3: And we are under way. What's good? Everybody? Welcome to

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Speaker 3: the Action Network Podcast presented by DraftKings. I'm your host,

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Speaker 3: Chris Raybon. This is our early Super Bowl sixty preview show.

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Speaker 3: Just to set the stage if you haven't heard by now,

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Speaker 3: we got the New England Patriots, we got the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Seattle favored by four and a half. The money line

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Speaker 3: is minus too thirty in favor of Seattle, plus one

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Speaker 3: ninety for the Pats. The total forty six and a half.

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Speaker 3: MVP favorite Sam Donald at plus one thirty, Drake May

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Speaker 3: at plus two thirty five. I am joined by Action

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Speaker 3: Networks Evan Abrams. Evan, I know you just, I mean

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Speaker 3: you've been killing it all year with the data and

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Speaker 3: the trend so I mean, I know you got just

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Speaker 3: data for days for the Super Bowl, I mean for

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Speaker 3: every little prop So wherever you want to start, just

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Speaker 3: hit us with something and we'll kind of go from there.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I was just excited like a week or two

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Speaker 2: ago when I figured out it was Super Bowl sixty.

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Speaker 2: I just love clean numbers, and ever since then, I've

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Speaker 2: just been on cloud nine. But to be fair about that,

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Speaker 2: it's the easiest thing off the top, and I tweeted

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Speaker 2: this last night. It's just underdogs have done really well

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl lately. There's actually a ton of

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Speaker 2: different layers to go into, but just clean off the

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Speaker 2: data since twenty four, fifteen and seven against spread.

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Speaker 1: Now, the interesting thing is that they've actually.

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Speaker 2: Covered five straight, which is the first five game ats

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Speaker 2: winning streak in Super Bowl history for underdog, which is

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Speaker 2: interesting enough. And they've won three in a row outright,

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Speaker 2: so that's pretty cool as well. If the Patriots would

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Speaker 2: come out out right this year, they would tie the

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Speaker 2: record in.

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl history.

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Speaker 2: And I think importantly when you look at the number

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Speaker 2: and now sitting at four and a half when it

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Speaker 2: spreads three or more dog thirteen and four since two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one and two thousand and two, so I

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Speaker 2: think top level, that's an interesting thing. To look at,

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Speaker 2: obviously not match up specific, but kind of what you

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Speaker 2: other interesting thing, which everyone will point to, would be

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Speaker 2: the long shot aspect of this Super Bowl and the

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Speaker 2: big odds, considering that Seattle was sixty to one during

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Speaker 2: the season and New England was eighty to one. So

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Speaker 2: this would be really the most unlikely super Bowl since

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Speaker 2: we moved to a sixteen game schedule in seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: But the only other example that really gives it any

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Speaker 2: to one nine Ers and sixty to one Bengals. That

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Speaker 2: was the only other one where you had two teams

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Speaker 2: at fifty to one are higher. And listen, both these

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Speaker 2: teams missed the playoffs last year, like we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: that since two thousand and three either, So this one

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Speaker 1: Of just a strange super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: That is, two really good defenses, and I think the

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Speaker 2: other storyline, and I'm sure you know this is kind

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Speaker 2: of the futility of what Drake May's done in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and May is interesting in his own right, because

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Speaker 3: let's also remember that there hasn't been many you know,

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Speaker 3: And you know, so you had Brock thirty, that was

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Speaker 3: a loss you had. Yeah, I think you had Marino

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Speaker 3: But you did get Big Ben did one one in

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Speaker 3: year two. But I believe there's something like three and five.

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Speaker 3: They do have a losing record, I believe overall, which

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Speaker 3: this is a I mean, Sam, Darnold, Drake May They've

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Speaker 3: You know, let's let's kind of look at the conference

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Speaker 2: I just think something that's very difficult to quantify is

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Speaker 1: Had to play versus Seattle.

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Speaker 2: So I mean it's easy to look at numbers and

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Speaker 2: and that's kind of been the theme with the AFC

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Speaker 2: So I tried to sit here and compare, like you have,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's hard.

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Speaker 2: You have a regular season New England offense and you

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Speaker 2: have a playoff New England offense. They've looked a little different,

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Speaker 2: I think that's one element of it.

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Speaker 1: But the other element is the wind, like what they've.

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Speaker 2: Actually had to go through, and the caliber of defense

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Speaker 2: you've seen the stats everywhere about facing top five defenses

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Speaker 2: And then you just look at the points scored. I mean,

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Speaker 2: right now, fewest points scored wildcard, divisional and Conference championship

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Speaker 2: four fewest. Ever, then you've got two thousand Ravens and

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious what you think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for New England, I think the So first

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Speaker 3: five percent better than average, New England sixteen point five

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Speaker 3: percent better than average. That's on the year, right, So

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Speaker 3: big mismatch if you just look at those numbers. However,

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Speaker 3: what's really interesting is that weighted DVOA, which essentially waits

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Speaker 3: So New England, you know, despite the offensive struggles, they

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Speaker 3: really gonna be tough to handicap for this game is

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Speaker 3: what is Seattle going to do offensively? Because they in

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Speaker 3: the two playoff games they put up thirty plus, you know,

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Speaker 3: he was making some crazy throws. Looked like he was

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Speaker 3: But the Rams defense, we consume it on the field,

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Speaker 3: so maybe that's to be expected. But that's where our

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Speaker 3: single week of the playoffs pretty much. They've just been

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Speaker 3: lights out. With Milton Williams in a lineup average allowing

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Speaker 3: so he's anchored that defense. And if Seattle can't run effectively,

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Speaker 3: how good can their offense be? Is because in this

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Speaker 3: He was breaking ankles, but overall the run game was inefficient.

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Speaker 3: But if Seattle's getting like one two yard to carry,

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Speaker 3: their play action still work the same? Does their offense

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Speaker 3: I think that was a McVeigh thing where I think

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Speaker 3: McVeigh versus McDonald's is just that's like the best matchup

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Speaker 3: torturing him on second down, like Stafford was ten to

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Speaker 3: this crazy, Yeah, they're so essentially McVeigh was treating second

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Speaker 3: he did a lot of things to kind of throw

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Speaker 3: McVeigh just decided that, you know, like, I think one

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Speaker 3: But they ended up targeting like Motfield on third down

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Speaker 3: a third straight eighty plus yard scoring drive to open

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Speaker 3: second half, but they it was just like an to

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Speaker 3: play calls. But New England fourteenth and EPA on second down,

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Speaker 3: fourteenth passing EPA on second down, and then sixteenth rushing.

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Speaker 3: So they've been very mediocre, and so I don't know

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Speaker 3: you know, much higher than twenty. So it really for

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Speaker 3: me comes down to can Seattle crack the code of

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Speaker 3: this New England run defense or Ken Darnold just put

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Speaker 3: up a massive game like he did in this one

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Speaker 3: even without the like the support of a run game.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm pretty sure this is going to be Seattle's

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Speaker 3: worst rushing game of the postseason, at least it projects

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Speaker 3: at any thoughts just on the that that New England

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Speaker 3: that's pretty much why we're probably talking about New England

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of layers there.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really what we're looking for here.

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Speaker 3: I would say best unit for me still the Seattle

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Speaker 3: But Seattle's number one. And again, I think what McVeigh

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Speaker 3: I think because we know Seattle, like there's guys are

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Speaker 3: he can scramble out. His three scrambles went for something

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Speaker 1: It's also inside the tackles.

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Speaker 2: He's running past linebackers. That's a little hint on what

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Speaker 2: I think Travion Henderson, I think has got to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it's also tough because I wonder,

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Speaker 2: I just think they're using him wrong though, Like I

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Speaker 2: not really rout rush attempts that Remandre is doing because

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Speaker 2: the doghouse, Like this is way beyond the doghouse.

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Speaker 1: Like this just feels like he Vrabel has a preference.

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Speaker 2: But in this game, if you don't use Trevion, I

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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Would you do you think he gets more than seventeen

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Speaker 1: God, that is so low. Honestly, if I was scheming

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Speaker 2: So this is about us predicting what Vrabel's going to do,

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Speaker 2: I would say he goes under that, just because I

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Speaker 1: I don't think the schemes are going to change.

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Speaker 2: Like I think he's just going to go with what

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Speaker 1: I think they're in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 2: They've really got to hold Seattle to twenty points, twenty

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Speaker 1: So if I had to guess under rushing yards and

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Speaker 2: Them it's over receiving yards and they figure out a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they It's funny because they actually seem

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Speaker 3: then he you know, he could get back on tick return.

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Speaker 3: He was doing that earlier. If they're not gonna use

436
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Speaker 3: him on offense, they might as well give him a

437
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Speaker 3: couple extra cracks on kick return instead of figure out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Rabels usually did with that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 3: So you know, I mean there could be a reason.

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Speaker 3: There might be you know, I'm sure there will be

442
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Speaker 3: all these like feature stories coming out and somebody will

443
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Speaker 3: probably dive in depth to it, so that that could

444
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Speaker 3: be a projection that that's gonna change. But you know,

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Speaker 3: let's just let's talk about the the uh. Let's go

446
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Speaker 3: back to the because we talked about the total a

447
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Speaker 3: little bit, but just with the spread, you know, we

448
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Speaker 3: talked about, you know, how how many underdogs have been doing,

449
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Speaker 3: how many of them have covered, which is a lot.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with the line move, you know, from

451
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Speaker 3: three and a half to four and a half, and

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Speaker 3: you know, are you leaning which way at this early juncture?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with the move because I think I

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Speaker 2: like Seattle in the game. I just think overall, from

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Speaker 2: unit to unit, I just prefer everything that they do

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Speaker 2: on the field to what New England does I feel like.

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Speaker 2: But again, and you mentioned this kind of with some

458
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Speaker 2: of the statistics from that New England Denver game and

459
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Speaker 2: some of I guess the tendencies in the drives down

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Speaker 2: the stretch where it looked like Rabel just wanted to

461
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Speaker 2: pump the ball back to Denver, Like, how much of

462
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Speaker 2: that do we just throw out the window because some

463
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Speaker 2: of those New England, like the numbers are going to

464
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Speaker 2: look so skewed based off of really game conditions in

465
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Speaker 2: that situation. So I think it has a lot to

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Speaker 2: do with the number. I also think one thing, and

467
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Speaker 2: this is just a gamblers tendency trend, which would be

468
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Speaker 2: a team who doesn't cover the conference championship game the

469
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Speaker 2: game before the Super Bowl a better is not going

470
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Speaker 2: to go to the window and want them to cover

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Speaker 2: the spread. It's just a mental thing in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: So I think you're going to get a lot of

473
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Speaker 2: Seattle money. If you look at even DraftKings right now,

474
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: seventy eight percent of the tickets on the spread on Seattle,

475
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Speaker 2: fifty eight percent of the money line on New England

476
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Speaker 2: right now, two weeks before.

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: No one is going up to the window mostly to say, hey,

479
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Speaker 2: gimme minus two thirty. So at this rate, if you're

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Speaker 2: going to take Seattle, I think you're going to lay

481
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Speaker 2: hopefully get the four versus the four and a half.

482
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Speaker 2: Obviously four, four and a half, three and a half

483
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Speaker 2: all extremely key in these especially with a total of

484
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Speaker 2: under forty seven. But to me, I would assume a

485
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Speaker 2: ton of Seattle money on the spread and you'll get

486
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Speaker 2: like fifty five to sixty percent of the tickets.

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Speaker 1: On New England on the money line. Just big game.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people looking at plus numbers, but I

489
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Speaker 2: think the number is right. I would say, you know,

490
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Speaker 2: once you get past four, you know, up to five

491
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Speaker 2: and a half is you know, as basically dead zone.

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Speaker 2: Do I think it's going to get to six? I

493
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Speaker 2: don't so could I see it close five? I think

494
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Speaker 2: it's possible, because I don't see that number for New England.

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Speaker 2: It's really coming down. I think Seattle's going to see

496
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Speaker 2: really a ton of love here because they've played so well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be surprised if it gets very surprised.

498
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Speaker 3: We geinst the six, I think I would say probably

499
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Speaker 3: somewhere in the Florida. I don't think it goes down

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Speaker 3: into the series or at least closes there. But I

501
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Speaker 3: would say, yeah, four to five and a half is

502
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Speaker 3: still that range. I would bet it closing. I want

503
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Speaker 3: to talk to you about the MVP, so we'll do

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Speaker 3: that in a second kind of related to what you're

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Speaker 3: talking about with Seattle here. But before we get to

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Speaker 3: The one thing we still have talked about coaches like

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Speaker 3: to and death, but I do want to talk about

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Speaker 3: the MVP Evan because you mentioned Seattle. You like Seattle,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot. Obviously the public likes Seattle. I

531
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Speaker 3: would wean that way as well. But I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: where I fall in this spread yet. I'm gonna make

533
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Speaker 3: some adjustments because I still have to. I still am

534
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Speaker 3: not sure see how well Seattle's gonna be able to

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Speaker 3: run and how much that's gonna affect him because you've

536
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Speaker 3: got to get into the red zone against New England.

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Speaker 3: But that being said, I think we both like Seattle,

538
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: at least lean that way. The public does as well.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned earlier, you know we I think you mentioned

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Speaker 3: off air actually that you know, JSN is you know,

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Speaker 3: one of the shorter wide receiver odds for for Super

542
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Speaker 3: Bowl MVP, but plus five fifty at DraftKings, Donald's plus

543
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Speaker 3: one thirty. Right, So the Seattle money line is minus

544
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Speaker 3: two thirty if you like Seattle, like I said, number one,

545
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Speaker 3: not not one hundred, like not super confident in the number,

546
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Speaker 3: especially in the dead zone because it it is gonna

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Speaker 3: come down to you know, how many drives stall out

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Speaker 3: because they can't run the ball. And but I do

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Speaker 3: think that Seattle's success comes in the one way or another.

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00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: So Donald, I think is probably a better bet than

551
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, Seattle minus two thirty. But I love JSN

552
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Speaker 3: at that plus five fifty because if you're just looking

553
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: at the numbers, like he accounts for so much of

554
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: Donald's production, and he had what was it seven for

555
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: one fifteen and a touchdown at the half against the Rams.

556
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Speaker 3: Now he's going up against a tougher match up here.

557
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: New England has you know, Gonzales, they have Carlton Davis.

558
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: Rams do not have those kind of quality corners. But

559
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: this could be a high volume game for Donald and

560
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: thus high volume game for JSN. So are those kind

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Speaker 3: of the would you, like, how do you consider kind

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Speaker 3: of you know, targeting those guys versus playing, you know,

563
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Speaker 3: the Seattle spread versus playing the Seattle money line? Like,

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Speaker 3: where are you on that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me back up some of the things you said.

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Speaker 2: So, I believe JSN accounted for forty four percent of

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Speaker 2: Seattle's receiving yards in the season. That is the highest

568
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Speaker 2: mark for a team to make the Super Bowl. The

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Speaker 2: only other comp would be like forty two percent. I

570
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: believe Tara Owens are not Tarrell Owans Michael Irvin, I

571
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: think in nineteen ninety five, So we are in like

572
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: an unpre precedented territory when it comes to JSN.

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Speaker 1: I think the other interesting thing is.

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Speaker 2: His odds, Like you said, plus five fifty plus five

575
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: hundred or so in the Super Bowl MVP market, that

576
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: would be I'm looking at right now. Yeah, So that

577
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: would be the second lowest price for a wide receiver

578
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: dating back to two thousand and three in the Super

579
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP market, only Larry Fitzgerald, who was plus four

580
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Speaker 2: hundred back in two thousand and eight. So, yes, those

581
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: odds are super low. And also I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: warranted considering what he does to that offense, and looking

583
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Speaker 2: at any other player to win MVP on Seattle a

584
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: little difficult. You'd need to see a journey from Shaheed.

585
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: You need to see maybe multiple touchdowns from Walker. I

586
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: think the interesting thing is this, So Sam Darnold sitting

587
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Speaker 2: there at plus one thirty, there have been if I

588
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: look at it right now, let's see, there have been

589
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: sixteen quarterbacks since two thousand and three to be listed

590
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: at under plus one fifty to win Super Bowl MVP. Two, five,

591
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Speaker 2: seven won the Super Bowl, and five won the MVP.

592
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: The two that didn't Tom Brady in twenty eighteen, and

593
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: then Matthew Stafford when he lost.

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Speaker 1: To Cup in twenty twenty one. So I think he

595
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Speaker 1: looks yes, Cup.

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Speaker 3: I remember that because I was on Edelman that year

597
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: and then Cupp was like a pretty like he was

598
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: kind of like in like the other go to in

599
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: that game with Stafford. So I kind of feel like

600
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: this kind of feels the same way with JSN and Darnal.

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Speaker 1: Here's my question.

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Speaker 2: Here's my question back to you, though, What does Darnald

603
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: have to do to throw a touchdown or two to

604
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Speaker 2: JSN and not win the MVP. There's got to be

605
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: an interception, right, or there's got to be a fumble,

606
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: There's got to be some sort of turnover in the

607
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: game that because he has the story, I mean, Jysn

608
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: obviously fantastic story, but Donald's story, the turnaround where he's

609
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: come from the the draft pick like where to get

610
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: to this game, I feel like people are going to

611
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Speaker 2: vote for him. So I honestly kind of believe if

612
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: you're trying to set up a scenario here, and I'm

613
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: assuming DraftKings and maybe some of the other sports works

614
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: might allow you to do this, but there's got to

615
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: be some sort of SGP where there's a turnover in

616
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: there for Donald not to win the award.

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion, because the story is just too damn good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so, I think there's like there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of pass for Donald to throw a touchdown or to

620
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Speaker 3: the JSN and not win it because he's averaging two

621
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Speaker 3: hundred about two hundred, I should say, about two hundred

622
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Speaker 3: and forty yards per game, under two hundred and threty

623
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Speaker 3: yards per game, so and JSN averages what let's see,

624
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Speaker 3: I think it's around one hundred. So yeah, over one hundred, right,

625
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: So if Donald hits his average and throws even two

626
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Speaker 3: touch Donald goes like two fifty two touchdowns. One of

627
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: them is the JSN who gets one hundred yards and

628
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: a touch undred plus and a touchdown. I mean, who

629
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Speaker 3: looks more impressive there. It's just but I feel like

630
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: I think it still goes to Donald. I don't. I

631
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: mean it could, but at plus five fifty versus plus

632
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: one thirty, I think I would take my chances with

633
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: JASN just because there's really there's it's hard to see

634
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: a pass like, let's let's flip it right, It's hard

635
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: to see. It's hard to see a path where JSN

636
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: doesn't go off and Donald wins it, right, because where

637
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: is he getting all these yards from? Shaheed is like

638
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: he's the what what like the fourth or let's see,

639
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: the sixth highest in odds and he hasn't caught a

640
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: touchdown from Donald yet. It's all been on specialty, right.

641
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker is the fourth highest in odds, and he's

642
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: pretty much he's only fifty cents higher than JSN, and

643
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: Walker like we pretty much know and well we pretty

644
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: much expect him to be inefficient. So even if he

645
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: gets touchdowns, I don't know that he's going to have

646
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Speaker 3: the efficiency. So there could be a scenario where JSN

647
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: could win it like Edelman won it, Like where Edelman

648
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Speaker 3: I don't think he had a touchdown in that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have to look at those numbers. I'd want

650
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: to look at into those numbers behind Edelman and Cup

651
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: and also look at how Brady and Stafford did in

652
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: those games, because I might be proven wrong just based

653
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: off of those scenarios. But Stafford kind of had a

654
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: similar story as Darnold did, right, this guy coming out

655
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: of nowhere career achievement, you know, welcome to the big game,

656
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: and then you gave it to the wide receiver. But

657
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: I was pretty sure Cup had like a pretty monstrous game.

658
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: But I could be wrong.

659
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: Talk at a monster game. Edelman though, ten for one,

660
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: no touchdowns, Okay, ays M could do that, you know

661
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And my thing is like, let's say

662
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: walk still gets a touch at least one touchdown, but

663
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: is inefficient. That's one lest touchdown for Donald. So if

664
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: Darnin throws two and doesn't go crazy with the yardage,

665
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: like he doesn't get to three hundred and he throws

666
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: two and one is to JSN or like both of

667
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: them are like, you know, kind of role players, and

668
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: then JSN still has like like somewhere in the like

669
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: one hundred, two hundred and fifty yard range. I think

670
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: it's I think it's there's a good chance that that

671
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: Jaysn would get it, just because he's also just so impressive,

672
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: like he's gonna he's more likely to make like a

673
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: high right real play in the game itself. That kind

674
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: of sways people.

675
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: That's fair.

676
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, that that's kind of how I would attack it.

677
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Walker is a little overpriced just

678
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: based on the fact that he could score two touchdowns

679
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: and still be super inefficient.

680
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: And I don't know, Jim touchdowns fifty eight yards is

681
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: not giving him Super Bowl MVP, right.

682
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: And then also I think, you know, just looking at

683
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: these odds on draftings, where it's you know, Donald number one,

684
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: Drake May, I think, you know, plus two thirty. I

685
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: like that too, because number one, you know, for a

686
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: game it's still within a touchdown, it's not inconceivable that

687
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: the Patriots win this game. And Drake May far and

688
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: away I think would be the leading candidate here because

689
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: again we don't know, you know, what's gonna be the

690
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: breakdown with Stevenson versus Henderson. But May with that scrambling ability,

691
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: it is probably gonna have to be the difference in

692
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: the game. And you know he also hit those three

693
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: touchdowns against Houston went on Stingley, so he you know,

694
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: he can kind of do make those highlight reel plays too.

695
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: So you know, he's plus two thirty five. The Patriots

696
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: are plus one ninety money line. So I I, you know,

697
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: I would if you like the Patriots, I would go

698
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: pretty strong on May. But what is interesting about this

699
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: right is the top eight we have Shaheed number six,

700
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones number seven, and then Drake May's number one receiver,

701
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: Stefon Diggs eighth. What does that tell you? That tells

702
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: you that we talked about the under earlier. That tells

703
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: you that draft, I mean, the books in the market

704
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: is concerned about these offenses because like Rashid Shied ain't

705
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: done jack as an offensive player.

706
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: Game.

707
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 3: He's sixth in odds, and Marcus Jones might not register

708
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: a stat if he doesn't get it like a return touchdown.

709
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: I mean he plays corner and yeah, but like that's

710
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: just the nature of the position. So the fact that

711
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: those two guys are you know, six and seven, and

712
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: like Tennis Walker is you know, fourth, even though we

713
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: expect him to have like a super inefficient matchup and

714
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: he's still you know, plus six hundred, and then Stevenson's

715
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: twenty five to one. I mean, like just some of

716
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: the discrepancies here to just kind of say it's like, okay,

717
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: if they're just concerned about the Seattle offense in both

718
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: offenses in general, you know, just looking at these at

719
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: these odds, so that kind of tells you where, you know,

720
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: where the projections are for the books and whatnot in

721
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: terms of I mean, and then after after the like

722
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 3: so gigs numbers eight, Cravey on Henderson number nine, Drew Lock,

723
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: the backup quarterback is number ten.

724
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: What do you think one question back to you, what

725
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: do you think about what would Cooper Cup have to do?

726
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: Like, he's not going to be a big yards guy,

727
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: but if he caught two touchdowns and had like sixty

728
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: receiving yards, do you think that's something Say say JSN

729
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: gets to one hundred but doesn't make the touchdown grabs

730
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: and in the red zone they end up going to Cup.

731
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: Do you think that's even in the conversation or would

732
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: it just go to Donald.

733
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's the Donald, like Avenue, but Toup

734
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: is ninety to one and darn is plus on thirty.

735
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: So like Donald is kind of the bet you make

736
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: when where you're trying to supplement, Like, okay, instead of

737
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: going the Seahawk money line, I think you have I

738
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: think the best move would be to kind of go

739
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: like a mix of Donald's and JSN. You know, obviously

740
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: you got to go a lot heavier Donald, but that's

741
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: just the way to kind of get some fuss money

742
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: on a minus two thirty money line. Essentially, that's that's

743
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: why he's over priced. But yeah, Cup is at ninety

744
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: to one.

745
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: I see some hundreds too.

746
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: The thing is, it's like, you know, New England does

747
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: have the corners, they can play man. It's like I

748
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: remember in the last game. Was it who was doing

749
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: the game? I think it was Brady was saying that,

750
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: like Cup, they committed this penalty on him and that

751
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: in the key in a key moment in man coverage,

752
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: and it was like, yo, you have the speed to

753
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: keep up with them, you didn't need to hold them there.

754
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: So it's like I just don't know he can beat

755
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: enough coverage.

756
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, his separation is terrible.

757
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean in theory at ninety to one,

758
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: he is probably underpriced. And but I mean there's so

759
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: many just non offensive players in this top twenty even

760
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, like Drew Ock has the same, Ernest

761
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: Jones is up there at number eleven, even Iman Warres

762
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: number twelve. Witherspoon is. Those guys are all like at

763
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: or before Cup aj Barner, Boody Henry, like all of

764
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: the key skill guys for both teams outside of the

765
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: top one are just way down, further down than I

766
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: can remember at any Super Bowl.

767
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree.

768
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: I just think this one's more interesting than not in

769
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: other years, just because, at least from Seattle's side, I

770
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: do think there's an avenue where Donald doesn't win it.

771
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: But the story is really good, and there's some big

772
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: names there that are just kind of flashy and fun,

773
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: like the Shaheeds. And I think you can talk me

774
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: into a Seattle defensive player on their defensive line given

775
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: the sacks that get allowed.

776
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: And maybe a strip or something like that. I find

777
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: it interesting.

778
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking at one book right now where Emon Moory

779
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: is eighty to one on basically same price as Trevion,

780
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: which is for a guy in the secondary, like you

781
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: mentioned with Marcus Jones, it's like, what.

782
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Exactly has to be done here for that to come through?

783
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: That feels a little short, Yeah, I think so.

784
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 3: The interesting one and it's this is it's actually sharp.

785
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 3: They have Ernest Jones seventy five to one. Yeah, because

786
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: he gets targeted a ton just because the Seattle secondary

787
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: is so good. So a lot of times they're just

788
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: he's like, he's great, but he's he's just the weakest

789
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 3: link of a very strong coverage unit a lot of times,

790
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: and so he'll get chances to you know, maybe get

791
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: a pick going back the other way. You know, he's

792
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 3: in the middle of that defense, so you know, would

793
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: be in a good position to maybe pick up a fumble.

794
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: But I agree, I mean even worry is he's a

795
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 3: talented player, but a lot of times teams run at him.

796
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: You know, they're trying not to throw at him quite

797
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: as much. D Spoon at ninety to one is interesting

798
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: because they targeted him relentlessly in the like the Rams

799
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: targeted him relentlessly, and and just looking at you know,

800
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: since you know, love got back and like their whole

801
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: secondary has been healthy, whether Wearspoon has been the guy

802
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: that opposing UH defenses have targeted the most, which him

803
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: and Jones, So those two guys do kind of stand

804
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: out more I think, yeah, than even Wori And but

805
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean it's the fact that you have Shaheed and

806
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Jones at seven at six and seven, I think just

807
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: tells me that it's like a crapshoot and the books

808
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: really don't have a good feel and they're just gonna

809
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 3: kind of let the market. I mean, Jason Myers.

810
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Is is I was good ninety to one right there with.

811
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: Spoon and Cup and and Uh and Barr and no,

812
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: well barn is eighty yeah, no, ninety to one as well.

813
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: So it's like what I think the most I think

814
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: the most my thing is this the most ingregious price.

815
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: The most ingregious price is Shaheed.

816
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: I think based off of just the number of looks

817
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: he gets in a game and the fact if he

818
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: doesn't return the touchdown, I mean that that those odds

819
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: should be closer to like eighty to one. To sit here,

820
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: I seen twenty five to one in one book in

821
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: the market. It's just that that that's something they're just

822
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: asking people to throw away money in my opinion, but

823
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong.

824
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, probably somebody probably just hit

825
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: it hard. Because so the one thing he does have,

826
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: especially in a low scoring game, it potentially well scoring game,

827
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: is he could score a long receiving touchdown and a

828
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: return touchdown, like he's already had like three return touchdowns.

829
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: What are his odds going to be? And I haven't

830
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: looked at this, like, what are his odds to score

831
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: two touchdowns? Because he even because at that point it's like,

832
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: all right, I might as well just hit that market.

833
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean probably if he scores two touchdowns, he wins

834
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: the award. But I might as well just catch the ticket.

835
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: He's thirty such one to score two touchdowns and twenty

836
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: eight to win the MVP. So yeah, I mean I

837
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: think I think it would take two touchdowns. I mean

838
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: there is a scenario where he so, what did you

839
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: catch like a fifty one yarder in the last game.

840
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: Let's say he catches two of those Donald throws like

841
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: two thirty five, like you know his median But but

842
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: Shaheed catches two bombs instead of one and returns one.

843
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: If shared catches two bombs and Donald hits his median,

844
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: that means JSN probably hasn't done enough. It also could

845
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: mean if if Shhed hasn't caught touchdowns on those bombs,

846
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: it could also mean Donald hasn't done enough. So I

847
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: get it, but that's just that's what I'm It's more

848
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: that it's it is egregious, like the price is egregious

849
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: even given all of that, but it's I think it

850
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: speaks more to the fact that there just aren't obvious

851
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: guys that are that like you just want to throw

852
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: above him either, like he's you know what I mean,

853
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: like that really I think he stands out to me?

854
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: Is that like because Marcus Jones, I would say it's

855
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 3: even more egregious because yes, he's a great part returner,

856
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: but he's at least Shied's a receiver like Shaheed can

857
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: register stats offensively like Jones is just like it's like

858
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: you have to essentially hope for a pick six or

859
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: something like that.

860
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is the rushing ability to like obviously there's

861
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: a lot of outs, so I get it.

862
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, still I think that more in compared to

863
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: previous years, Super Bowl MVP is like a really fun

864
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: conversation this year.

865
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean, realistically, I think it's I think it's if

866
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm if I'm not trying to go long shot and

867
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm just it's it's almost certainly gonna be Darnald JSN.

868
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: Drake may like those and Drake May and I think

869
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: JSN I do like the price tags on those two guys,

870
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: So those will probably be the two guys that I'm

871
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 3: gonna be the heaviest on, just you know, in terms

872
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: of like guys I think will actually win, and then

873
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: long shots. It's it's it's it's tough because like heat

874
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: is overpriced. A guy like Marcus Jones would be cool

875
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: if he was like one hundred to one. He's overpriced,

876
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: So now you and top I just don't believe in

877
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: So you would have to start looking at Tradon Henderson

878
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: at seventy five to one. It's actually interesting, Like.

879
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: What's Booty on DraftKings.

880
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: I think he is one hundred and ten to one.

881
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I see won twenty five's in the market. I

882
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: mean that's a big play receiver.

883
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: I mean maybe if he scored two touchdowns or something

884
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: like that, you're probably not going to get one hundred

885
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: and twenty five to one odds on two touchdowns, and

886
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: maybe that's the way Mate doesn't win it.

887
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I would see. The thing that's funny is you've got

888
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: whereas Digs. Digs I have here is like fifty to one.

889
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I like I would take Booty over Digs

890
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: in terms of like being able to win the award

891
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: in just certain circumstances. Like Digs can easily have like

892
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: eight catches for like sixty yards be a big part

893
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 2: of the game, but not goutch touchdowns, and Booty could

894
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: have like two big ones. Just I'm looking for a

895
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: big play wide receiver and a like one hundred and

896
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: twenty five to one. I guess that's more intriguing than others.

897
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean mind Diggs, I you know, I because

898
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: so my thing with the the way I'm trying to

899
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: attack this board now is because usually I think we

900
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: see not only are the top guys overpriced, but there's

901
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: there's just a lot more competition, right, But this is

902
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: this is a super Bowl where there's a big kind

903
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: of discrepancy between like the stars, like the few guys

904
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: who are just really talented and their teams like top

905
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: options that could win it and everybody else. So like

906
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: the fact that Diggs is like sixty to one in itself,

907
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: I don't mind that either because I still, yes, I

908
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: get it with Booty, but it's like against this defense,

909
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: I think I still want the most talented receiver. And

910
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: it's like Diggs's competing was Marcus Jones and Rashid Shahi.

911
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: Like Rashid chehe is twenty eight to one and Digs

912
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: is sixty to one. That is that's that's egregious, right,

913
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: and so so yeah, I think I think the strategy

914
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: at least to open the week, if you're one of

915
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: those people that just kind of likes to, you know,

916
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: sprinkle as the week, you know, progresses, because these numbers

917
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: will move. You know, remember how the Stafford and Drake

918
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: may MVP Odds kept foot flopping, But right now I

919
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: may JSN Digs like just those guys that are you

920
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 3: know up there they're competing with Marcus Jones, Rashid Shaheed,

921
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: a guy who got four snaps in Travon Henderson, the

922
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: backup quarterback. Like I would just go with the with

923
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: the chalks for now because the chalk is reasonably priced,

924
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: and then you know there's gonna be some long shots

925
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: that kind of pop up, like somebody will probably have

926
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: your booty take or maybe you know, like a Christian

927
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: Goods out like there could be even more guys that

928
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, get propped up and knock some

929
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: of these other guys down even more so like your

930
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: favorite long shot. Like let's say it's not Booty. Let's

931
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: say everyone is like, oh wait, Hunter Henry might have

932
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: a great game. It's like if Hunter Henry goes up,

933
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: there's a good chance who he goes down? Even more

934
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: us from one and tend to one. So you know there,

935
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a lot of opportunity that

936
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: way to just kind of get the there's a big

937
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: it's like a big star stars and scrubs kind of board,

938
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: even though there just seems like there's no stars, but

939
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: there's still you know, guys that are more likely and

940
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: guys that aren't. So yeah, that's the way I'm attacking it.

941
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: We'll talk about some props we like, but I do

942
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: want to, you know, quickly McDonald's vrabel two defensive guys,

943
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: what are you making a coaching matchup? Do you think

944
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: there is an edge here? Because I kind of going

945
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: back and forth and I can't really call it like

946
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: I love McDonald and every other matchup, you know, even

947
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: against these offensive gurus, because I think he's the one

948
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: guy that has shown the ability to match it. But

949
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: for Abel, I mean, looky, he's got this defense playing

950
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: even though the offense is like just getting in its

951
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: way a lot of the time. And you know, just

952
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: he's always been great as an underdog. I'm sure you

953
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: have some trends from from bet Labs on that, like

954
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: he just amazing as an underdog. So it's like, who

955
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: do you give the edge to, if any in this matchup?

956
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think from a coaching standpoint, it's relatively even.

957
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: Like I think if it would have been a different

958
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: situation in the Super Bowl, I might have thought one

959
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: way or the other, like mcveigh's made some odd late

960
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: game decisions, like there's certain things you could probably crack

961
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: holes in, and a few other coaches to me like

962
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: these two teams again didn't make the playoffs last year.

963
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: At the job they've both done, the defense, they've both

964
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: put together. I don't really have a lot of negative

965
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: things to say about either of them. I think this

966
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: is way more about talent on the field and the players,

967
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 2: and it is the coaches, which is honestly kind of nice,

968
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I do have faith in both

969
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: these head coaches. If you ask me, Evan, you have

970
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: to pick one of them, which one do you trust more,

971
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: it would probably be McDonald. Like, you know, going back

972
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: to the Baltimore days and what we've seen over the

973
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: last two seasons, I think I would prefer it one.

974
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: Sad I will say that I did pull and it's

975
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: more about May's quote unquote inexperience against McDonald's. The last

976
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: two seasons with Seattle, you've had ten quarterbacks under the

977
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: age of twenty five facing McDonald defense. They're one to

978
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: nine straight up, seven touchdowns, twelve picks, thirty total sacks.

979
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: These quarterbacks have lost eight in a row, and Perty

980
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

981
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: Is the only one to come away with a win.

982
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: So I do think if I'm looking scheme to scheme

983
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: and trying to pick one of these coaches, I think

984
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: the McDonald defense is going to be that top notch

985
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: answer to the question. But I think Vrabel said it

986
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: in his postgame conference after they won the game, like, Okay,

987
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: let's have fun tonight, but tomorrow we got to figure

988
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: out how to beat these guys. And I think that's

989
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: what McDonald goes into this game. Let's just keep doing

990
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: exactly what we've done. Teams have barely been able to

991
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: stop us. Yes, New England has been fantastic with Williams

992
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: and Gonzalez believe seventeen eighteen and oh whatever it is

993
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 2: in those games with it both of them. But I

994
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: think it's New England that's going to have to change

995
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: a few things, scheme some new things, try to stay

996
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: in this game and not let Seattle get out to

997
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: a ten point lead, a fourteen point lead. I think

998
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: Seattle keeps it neutral, do exactly what you've done. Obviously,

999
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: a lot of scouting to be involved here, but I

1000
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: would probably prefer Mike.

1001
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: Oh, Mike McDonald, sorry, they are both mine.

1002
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean rabel So it's tough because the

1003
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: thing about Rabels, he's been around this, you know, with Belichick,

1004
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: he's been you know, he's sure he the moment's not

1005
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: going to be too big. McDaniel, they do have McDaniel's

1006
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, offensive coordinator. That's obviously he's been doing this

1007
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: thing for a minute. But at the same time, some

1008
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: of the things the Patriots have been doing in the

1009
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: postseason still do worry me, Like those those drives against Denver.

1010
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no guarante. First of all, there's no

1011
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: guarantee or even in that position, if Sean Payton doesn't miss,

1012
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: if they don't miss that fourth and one earlier in

1013
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: the game, or they kicked that field goal like Romo wanted.

1014
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: But I mean, I just thought that was a little too.

1015
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: I love the lot, you know, the end around it made,

1016
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: end the game that that was great, but it looks

1017
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: good in hindsight because it worked. But you won ten

1018
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: to seven against a backup quarterback, and this is I mean,

1019
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: your offense really hasn't strung together like a full game.

1020
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: Like you know, there was uston within that game, even

1021
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: with CJ. Stroud going just I mean going straight Peterman.

1022
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: So I just wonder if New England doesn't get out

1023
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: to a lead because they've been playing with it. They

1024
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 3: were playing little like Herbert, played like Peterman, Stroud played

1025
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: like Peterman, Garrett didham Is Jared played like Garrett's did him.

1026
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: So like New England hasn't been tested. I think Donald

1027
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: really is going to be the difference. And I just wonder.

1028
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: You know, the culture matchup is even I think in

1029
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: terms of like just mental capability, right, but quarterbacks, Yeah,

1030
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: that because McDaniel Frabel all that experience only goes so far,

1031
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: like with those numbers you talk about with May. And

1032
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: then it's like on the flip side, let's look at

1033
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: what Donald's been doing these last three years. Every team

1034
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: that Donald has been on last three years has won

1035
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: at least fourteen games, has made it to the postseason.

1036
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, he sat on the bench for

1037
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl forty nine ers team with Kyle Shanahan.

1038
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: So been to the Super Bowl already, we forget that.

1039
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: And then last year, you know number you know, number

1040
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: one seed most of the year at Minnesota, just couldn't

1041
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: finish it off. And then this year number one seed

1042
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: with Seattle. So like Donald has that even though he's

1043
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: not the most talented quarterback in this game, I think

1044
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: he is probably a better bet to make fewer mistakes

1045
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: or be coached up better, you know. So it's like

1046
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: Drake May. It's like they may say, hey, we don't

1047
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: want to we want to play with the lead again

1048
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: because that's what we're having success. They may have to

1049
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: be more aggressive in this game than they've been, you

1050
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: know in these other games with the opposing quarterback just

1051
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: in the bed. And if they're aggressive, that's when you

1052
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 3: don't you know, May can make mistakes just like he

1053
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: give us and he take it away. So yeah, I

1054
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: think if they, if Rabel and mcdani's can kind of

1055
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: expertly kind of juggle that, like the May aggressiveness with

1056
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: and just overall offensive aggressiveness with and being smart with

1057
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: Henderson and you know, getting him more involved but not

1058
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: getting like eight carries for three yards from him, that

1059
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: that that could be the difference in the game. But

1060
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: as it stands, I think I agree. I think the

1061
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: talent and the experience on the field favors Seattle and

1062
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: that will more than like we win out and that's

1063
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: why we in Seattle on the spread. But we'll get

1064
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 3: out of here in a set. But let's let's talk

1065
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: about some props. Anything you're looking at, anything you locked

1066
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: in already for Super Bowl sixty. You know we're recording

1067
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: this the not even twenty four hours after the conference championship,

1068
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 3: so it is early. I know you've probably still spreads

1069
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: you to probably all over the place. I just closed

1070
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: like eight Excel tabs before we did this pot and

1071
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: I don't even use Excel like that. I usually use

1072
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: Google with sheets. So that's where we're at. But how

1073
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: do you feel about the prop market right now?

1074
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: So last night on the Favorites, I did say, like,

1075
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: Drake May over twenty nine and a half rushing yards.

1076
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: At the time I had seen thirty one and a

1077
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,959
Speaker 2: half's in the market. There was a loan book sitting

1078
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: out there, so I.

1079
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Did hit that.

1080
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: I just felt like, you know, we've watched their games,

1081
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: we understand how their offense works. We'll talk about Sean

1082
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: Kerner just locked in his first prop up the Super Bowl,

1083
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: which kind of goes into my prop, and I think

1084
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: it's good for what I'm thinking.

1085
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, the May rushing yards and if

1086
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: I need to, I think by the.

1087
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: Time we hit kickoff in two weeks, I'll be able

1088
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: to have even a five six yard middle based off

1089
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: of how popular I'm guessing that prop is going to be,

1090
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: so that I would be number one. The second prop

1091
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: I looked at right away, which has actually moved a

1092
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: little bit in the direction I was assuming, would sit

1093
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: Seattle second half. They've been a great second half team,

1094
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: even if they start slow. I would guess this line

1095
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: is going to get a little bit higher, but it's

1096
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: gone up so right now it is minus two and

1097
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: a half minus one twenty five.

1098
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: You got to lay minus one eighty eight on.

1099
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: The money line for Seattle, So I'm not sure I'm

1100
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: going to be diving too much more into that. I

1101
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: was hoping for it to be a little bit smaller.

1102
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: So off the bat, those are really the two things

1103
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: I looked at right away. The one thing I think

1104
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: most people might find interesting is you look at the

1105
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: odds on favorite to score a touchdown in this game

1106
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: right now. I believe it's Kenneth Walker at minus one

1107
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: eighty And basically, I mean I looked at it. The

1108
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: favorite to score a touchdown on the Super Bowl has

1109
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: cashed in six of the last eight.

1110
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: It didn't last year with Saquan who didn't get there.

1111
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: No, I I don't know. I love the Super Bowl

1112
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: because you can better a touchdown and that yeah Walker,

1113
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: Walker's kind of screaming a fade. Honestly to me, Yeah,

1114
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, what do you think

1115
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: because of that run dye?

1116
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: It's true.

1117
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: So here's an I'll give you some numbers real quick

1118
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: on the new England run defense with Milton Williams. He's

1119
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 3: played fifteen games and then they he was out five games.

1120
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: Even the fifteen games that he played, not only are

1121
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: they allowing three point six five yards per carry compared

1122
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 3: to five yards per carry in the games you missed,

1123
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: what a four point seven percent touchdown rate in the

1124
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: five games he missed the league average, you know, three

1125
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 3: three and a half usually with him fifteen games with

1126
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 3: him a one point two percent touchdown rate, so literally

1127
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: four xes with him out and with him in, it's

1128
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 3: you know, less than half of the league average. It's

1129
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 3: like a it's it's barely a third of the league

1130
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 3: average touchdown rate with Williams in over a fifteen game

1131
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty one carry sample. So yeah, I

1132
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: think Warker is a good fade. I think it could

1133
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: be a low scoring game, or I think you look

1134
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 3: at Donald and some receivers and you do some stacks

1135
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: because I remember last year bark We's know what there

1136
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: was value on it, and there's it's hard to find

1137
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 3: value in the touchdown market. So yeah, minus one eighty

1138
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: I would have taken Walker this game. Like the Rams game. Yeah,

1139
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: let's see, I'll give you my I I have the

1140
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: projection right sitting in front of me. Yeah, I would

1141
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: put him more like minus one fifty. Okay, it's not

1142
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: it's not egregious.

1143
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, to be fair, he was nice, I believe

1144
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: one ninety five last night, so he has come down

1145
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: a tiny bit.

1146
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: Oh oh, so yeah, he went back to earlier in

1147
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: the week. I think he was with minus one eighty.

1148
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: I waited ended up getting him like I think it

1149
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: was like minus one forty early in earlier in the day,

1150
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: and then I guess he got steamed back up.

1151
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: No, that's one ninety five for the Super Bowl, so

1152
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: he's he opened a one ninety five to score a

1153
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: touch on the Super Bowl.

1154
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Come down to minus one eighty.

1155
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: The other thing I was going to look at and

1156
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: it's not up yet, I don't think is they have

1157
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: markets for first rush, Like how many yards will your

1158
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: first rushing attempt would be? It's usually said at like

1159
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: three and a half or so. I would be interested

1160
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: in Trayvion under like, obviously a few carries and obviously

1161
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: he could be super explosive, but from one I've seen it,

1162
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: obviously have to look inside the data. But just first look,

1163
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: if it was said at like three and a half,

1164
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: I'd probably be interested in the under there.

1165
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: I would be interested in the under in every single

1166
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: running back in this game. Yeah, the first rush seriously,

1167
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: because I mean, we know, we already talked about New

1168
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: England and then Seattle. You know, if if New England

1169
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: wasn't so good against the run, we'd probably be talking

1170
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: about Seattle.

1171
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: Though.

1172
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: I do think McVeigh found a little, you know, a

1173
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: little success there, and I you know, New England maybe

1174
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: they go. You know, most teams don't really try the

1175
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: one two personnel against Seattle because they've been so good

1176
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 3: at it, and they don't they don't, you know, put

1177
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: a bunch of linebackers on the field like they have

1178
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: all those safeties and corners. But I mean that still

1179
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: could be the best option versus you know, throwing to

1180
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: like you said, Kaishawn Booty and Matt Hollins against this

1181
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: defense all day. So it's the coaching. I do think

1182
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 3: the coaching will play a major factor in the sense

1183
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: that like coaching, I don't think a coaching could win

1184
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: one of these teams the game, especially with New England

1185
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: being the dog like they have a talented enough coaching

1186
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: staff that it could win them the game even against

1187
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: the quality staff on the other side. But yeah, if

1188
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: everything is just kind of neutral and cancels out, I

1189
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: think it does favorite Seattle. But I do think Drake May,

1190
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: I like that scramble I have them at I mean

1191
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: I like that rushing prop. I have them at thirty three.

1192
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 3: Uh So I agree with you there. I'd probably look

1193
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: at his long because Seattle gives up a ten point

1194
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: eight percent scramble rate that is the highest, I believe

1195
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: among all defenses. So yeah, they're number one among all

1196
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: defenses regular and post uh in scramble rate allowed. And

1197
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: you know Denver was number six and look what May

1198
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 3: did to them, So you know, defenses that can cover

1199
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: a lot of times then you see scrambling against them.

1200
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: They Chargers were also number are also number three, so

1201
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: May's been kind of playing a lot of these and

1202
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: then used to just in a efficient at defending them.

1203
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, this could be another big game for May.

1204
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking on kind of the other side of you know,

1205
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: some unders for rushing Kennis Walker. That was the first

1206
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: bet I locked in. Got his rushing yardage prop at

1207
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: eighty four and a half. I believe it's down. It

1208
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: should be down in the seventies by now let's see

1209
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: what is it it is, Yeah, seventies, anywhere from seventy

1210
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: four to seventy eight. I have it at seventy three,

1211
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: so still a little bit of value there. But this

1212
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: new England run defense again, I just think, you know,

1213
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: Walker's already been a guy that's known to kind of

1214
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: get stuffed, and even on that touchdown run a couple

1215
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, we saw him kind of, you know,

1216
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 3: break it outside and that could have easily gone for

1217
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 3: a loss. So I think you could get some negative

1218
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: runs with him and to kind of supplement that. And

1219
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: there's a good chance that you know, Denver had to

1220
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: do it because they had a backup quarterback, so they

1221
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: ran a little more than usual. Still not a ton,

1222
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: but Seattle goes past heavy in this game, which does

1223
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: favor your Donald call as well. So I like the

1224
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: Walker under rushing yards the median, and I liked his

1225
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 3: long rush under, especially if you can get it at

1226
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: sixteen and a half. I believe he's been under that

1227
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: just just over half his games. Now, obviously increased carries,

1228
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: does you know bump it up a little bit, but

1229
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: the inefficiency against New England. New England's only allowed eight

1230
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: running backs like tailbacks all year in twenty games played

1231
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 3: to have a long of above fifteen yards. Now, remember

1232
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: they're facing you know, two three guys per game. It's

1233
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: not just like they're facing and I'm not talking about

1234
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: like in eight games. I'm talking about eight guys total

1235
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: at that position all year long. So like it's just

1236
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: and that's no orders missed five games. So like this

1237
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: is this is a scary Uh, it's a scarier undefense

1238
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: and Walker, you know, if they if they allow if

1239
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: they post some props where you know, sometimes they'll post

1240
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: like these exactly these bands props where you can kind

1241
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: of the same way you would ladder and over, you

1242
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: can kind of go for like okay, Walker will get

1243
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, like for like thirty five to fifty yards

1244
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 3: or something like that or something like. I would look

1245
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 3: to that at some juice at some like you know, uh,

1246
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: some plus juice as well, because there's a chance that

1247
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: they either have to abandon the run or he just

1248
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: gets nothing going. And he has been a guy just

1249
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: just known to go backwards at times. So yeah, that

1250
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker unders are going to be something I'm looking at,

1251
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: probably the Howani unders as well, when they'll start, you know,

1252
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: popping up, just because he seemed to be used a

1253
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 3: lot more in that like charbon a pass game role

1254
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: in in the UH in the Conference championship, So I

1255
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: don't know that he gets a ton of rushing work

1256
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: and this one is against this defense unless you know,

1257
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: Walker gets hurt or something like that. So yeah, looking

1258
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 3: at looking at their running back unders and then maybe

1259
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 3: Travion's like the one guy kind of go for the

1260
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: over because he's not like an Isaiah paiceco right, Like

1261
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: he's not hurt, is he like?

1262
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he just I think

1263
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: there's just a doghouse sitting way beyond Gillette that he's

1264
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: been living in, and it's very able to hasn't liked

1265
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: him all season, Like there's been numerous times where you

1266
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: thought he was going to start getting more carries as

1267
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: the season progressed, and it just went the opposite direction.

1268
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: So I think the worry is just he's just not

1269
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: going to see playing time if he does. That number

1270
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: is if I had the guests and I could look

1271
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: back at this that's got to be one of the

1272
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: lowest numbers he's posted all season, and we're we're at

1273
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: really the low point for him. So it's hard to

1274
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: like the under unless you know something about his total

1275
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: carries in the game. One question for you, I know

1276
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: we've been here for like an hour, but a long

1277
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: shot to score a touchdown, Like if you right now

1278
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: had to pluck someone. Is there anyone you like five

1279
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: to one or high or something like that that you

1280
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: feel like has some value because you know people are

1281
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: going to.

1282
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: Be betting on that. I don't know if you've looked

1283
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: at that yet.

1284
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking so Trevon Henderson is right on

1285
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 3: that you could get him at sure like him because

1286
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: you kind of mentioned, you know, bottom of the market

1287
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: for him. Look, this is as well as snap count

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Speaker 3: of the year four snaps. Previous low was nine in

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Speaker 3: on October nineteenth. That was week seven, right the next

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Speaker 3: week he had fourteighteen touch No wait let's see wait,

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Speaker 3: yeah he had fourteen touches. Or no, he had ten

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Speaker 3: touches the next week, So he went from four snaps

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Speaker 3: to ten touches and two kickoff returns did not get

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Speaker 3: in the end zone. In that week, but the week

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Speaker 3: after that, so he went nine and fourteen. Those are

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Speaker 3: his two lowest snapcounts of the year. And then coming

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Speaker 3: off those two fourteen fourteen touches, no eighteen touches in

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Speaker 3: the next game, fourteen seventeen fifteen in the next game.

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Speaker 3: So then that's when Vermonderi went down. So he has

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Speaker 3: kind of bounced back, is what I'm saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: and kind of like it's been kind of fluctual. It's

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Speaker 3: fluctuated for like reasons, like you said, unbeknowns to us.

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Speaker 3: It is probably just doghouse, but it's also a bounced

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Speaker 3: back for reasons unbeknownst to us. So yeah, I would

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Speaker 3: look at him like kind of tone that line. But

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Speaker 3: if you go longer, I would say, I got one

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Speaker 3: guy on my list, GI, Yeah, give me one, give

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Speaker 3: me one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he keep going, let's see if you hit him.

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Speaker 3: So the guy that stands the guy that stands out

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Speaker 3: to me actually just because he's been trending up. Well

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Speaker 3: there's two guys, but Jake Bobo at twelve to one,

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Speaker 3: you know, he has been trending up, and you know

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Speaker 3: he could get some more of the because he's been blocking.

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Speaker 3: So well, and then being used in the red zone

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Speaker 3: because he's not really a red zone guy. And then

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Speaker 3: I think Hooper is interesting, yes, right, yeah, yeah, Austin

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Speaker 3: was my guy because it's like Seattle's just so good

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Speaker 3: all over the place. You're trying to get the matchup

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Speaker 3: on a linebacker. Hunter Henry is like a lot of

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Speaker 3: people look at him as like, you know, their number

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Speaker 3: two option. I'm sure defense is look at him that way.

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Speaker 3: And so Hooper would probably get the most advantageous matchup

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Speaker 3: when he's on the field, and after McVeigh went, you

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Speaker 3: know more with more one to two personnel. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: something Josh Daniels trys to copy a little bit. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I like like Hooper, like Hooper, and like I would say,

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Speaker 3: Bobo on the on the Seahawks, and you know, Eric Saubert.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting too because if Arroyo is gonna

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Speaker 3: be inactive again because he's eighteen to one, he doesn't

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Speaker 3: catch many passes, but you know, being the number two

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Speaker 3: tight end kind of a similar thing to Hooper. And

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Speaker 3: with the Patriots, like the Patriots are thirtieth in red

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Speaker 3: zone d during the regular season, like they are not

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Speaker 3: good in the red zone, so you could easily see Sawbert,

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Speaker 3: you know, get a couple, get a couple of cracks there,

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Speaker 3: you know, down down in the red zone for Seattle

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Speaker 3: if he's that number two tight end. So yeah, eighteen

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Speaker 3: to one is probably too short, but I see his

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Speaker 3: number coming down. There's like some tender ones out there,

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Speaker 3: so I'm sure that eighteen is not gonna last probably

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Speaker 3: even uh of people listening, So yeah, it's I would

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Speaker 3: say Hooper and Bobo would be my too. Anyone on this,

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Speaker 3: anyone on the Sea offs for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I thought about Arroyo, but you don't

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Speaker 2: even know his status. Like I think, I'm I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of obsessed with the second tight end in most of

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Speaker 2: these games because I just feel like some of these

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Speaker 2: coaches like to scheme them up near the goal line,

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Speaker 2: which is why I like Hooper. But from a Seattle standpoint, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you're I mean, I had tried to look at

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Speaker 2: you know, Vilis Jones and things like that, like could

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Speaker 2: I possibly see something since you have no Charbona where

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Speaker 2: there's another running back in the mix.

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Speaker 1: But I think you're probably right with Sawburn and Bobo.

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Speaker 2: Like other than that, I wouldn't use Darnold, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure that's good. And Halani is too low to me,

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Speaker 2: like plus four to fifty doesn't offer what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: That and that and same with Shihied. So those are

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Speaker 1: probably your best options.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Arroyo would be interesting if you kind

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Speaker 3: of speculatively lock it in because if he's active, every

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Speaker 3: time he's been active, he's been the number two over.

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Speaker 1: So that's an interesting though. Just get your money. I

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, so I think Arroyo is probably is probably

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Speaker 3: the other one that that I would consider there down

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Speaker 3: there too, because yeah, there's not much like Donald's. It's

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Speaker 3: it's you know, he's not really much of a running quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He's probably not down by the Red Zonkees. Guys are

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Speaker 3: probably gonna be open. So yeah, agreed, Okay, that is

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Speaker 3: gonna do it, and uh, we'll be back all week

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Speaker 3: all the next couple of weeks, leaning up to the

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Speaker 3: big game with more content. Of course, be sure to

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Speaker 3: check out the Action Network app downloaded if you don't

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Speaker 3: have it already. That's we're all of our bets will

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Speaker 3: be tracked as well as everyone else at Actions as well,

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Speaker 3: and uh, the Action Network podcasts. We'll be back Thursday,

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Speaker 3: will have uh our whole Super Bowl player prop guide, myself, Kerner,

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Speaker 3: Kyle Murray. No six pack pod this Wednesday. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: wait till next Wednesday. So we just have you know,

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Speaker 3: lines that are going to be you know, mature and

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01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 3: you know, little closure to the game so people can

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Speaker 3: kind of bet it that way, and we'll have all

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Speaker 3: of our research done. But we will have the props

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Speaker 3: the first of you know, multiple prop content coming out

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Speaker 3: later this week. Favorites Business as Usual Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Kerner and I will be doing Fantasy Flex Tuesday, so

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Speaker 3: you can get our early thoughts on player productions there

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Speaker 3: as well. So that should be out in about another

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours. And then maybe most important, we will

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Speaker 3: have our first two of four player prop where we

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Speaker 3: shows on Friday afternoon Alive on YouTube and x That

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Speaker 3: will be Meet Kerner and then later Nick Giffen and

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Speaker 3: Grant Nefer releasing some props for the Super Bowl as well.

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Speaker 3: So just a whole bunch of content. And then Evan,

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Speaker 3: I know you always do just some of the best

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Speaker 3: work on you know, just the data and the trends

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Speaker 3: and all the primer with your primer, so people should

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Speaker 3: look out for that as well. And yeah, that's about it.

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