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Dot org? 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: Dot org? 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Dot org? Mission roll Call? And some of you may 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: have already checked out Mission roll call dot org or 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: you may have sawt a previous episode with Jim on 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: and he's always a welcome guest back to the show 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: with a lot of positive thoughts. So welcome Jim to 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: SOFTWAREP Welcome back. 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. 39 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're great. Always always a pleasure to have you. 40 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about your background quick, 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: Army Lieutenant colonel Yeah, yeah? Why why? Why? Why? 42 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: Well? I was one of those guys that went to 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: college and really didn't have a plan to pay for it, 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. And while I was at college, 45 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: I got introduced to some RTC guys via the track 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: team I was on at the time and at lock Haven, Pennsylvania, 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: small state college in Central PA UH and ended up 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: receiving scholarship where they paid for my tuition and my 49 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: room and board and and made the whole process of 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: paying for college a heck of a lot simpler. And 51 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: all I owed was four years back to which to 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: me seemed like it was going to be fun. I 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: do four years, I would I thought I would do 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: four years and get out and then pursue a career 55 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: doing something else. And I just fell in love with 56 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: what I was doing. I loved serving with people from 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: all walks of life. I loved flying helicopters. I loved 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: every bit of it. And don't get me wrong, there 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: are some times in the army where it's that there 60 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: is a suckfest associated with it, right, I mean, the 61 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: Army can make you suffer on the industrial scale. They 62 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: know how to do it at scale, so there are 63 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: times where it's difficult. But I enjoyed it immensely. Met 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: my wife in the military and then we served all 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: I think out of twenty years, ten was overseas, and 66 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: that's exactly what I wanted. I wanted to see the world, 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to do fun things, I wanted to do 68 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: important things. In the military was the right fit. 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: For me, and so the helicopter of choice. 70 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: I started off. Yes, it was a choice. I wanted 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: to go at aviation and luckily I was fortunate to 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: receive that billet. And my wife was a Shook pilot 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: and I met her later in my career, and so 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: that was cool. 75 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the movie Firebirds, Stop bro, all gone bye bye, 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: It's like, whatever you want, keep your keep your radar 77 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: below the mountains so you don't get shot, babe. 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: She's like, I'm fine, I got this. 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: Let me show you. 81 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: How Oh my gosh. 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had did that for twenty years and 83 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: had a wonderful time and served all over the world 84 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: and like I said, some places better than others. Built 85 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: a family along the way. One was born when I 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: was in Panama, and the other one was born when 87 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: I was in Germany. The last was born when we're 88 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: at West Point, and she ended up graduating West Point 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: on her birthday. She's the only person that graduate that 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: was born at west Point and graduated West Point on 91 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: her birthday. When you think of the long history of 92 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: that storied institution. 93 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: Also, your wife taking time out of her life career, yeah, yeah, 94 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: incubate and to curate these shoulder We didn't and you know, 95 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: we didn't have to stop our life, did we know? 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: We kept going, how you got to go? And she 97 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: had kind of had a halt back a little bit, Yeah, 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: and pull her career back for a huge sacrifice. 99 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: Huge sacrifice. And I have nothing but admiration for spouses 100 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: in the military. I mean, all of them put their 101 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: careers on hold because you move every few years, really 102 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: difficult to find a great job. In that process, you're 103 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: usually living in quarters that are much smaller than you 104 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: ever wanted to uh, and then you're moving again and 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: that's costly. 106 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: And she might have been on a career path, oh yeah, I. 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: Mean, she would have had a great career in the military, 108 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. 109 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And so a lot of us don't 110 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: take that in consideration about the female who is serving. 111 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: All it takes is just getting pregnant to change her 112 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: whole life. 113 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: And the army has I can only speak for the 114 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: army from my perspective, but I know they've tried, and 115 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: they certainly talk a great gain on supporting women when 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: they have children and are pregnant, and on paper it 117 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: looks great. In practice not so good because they leave 118 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: it up to local commands and so being able to 119 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: take that maternity leave is sometimes not honored. And if 120 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: it is honored, then sometimes it's not. It's it's a 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: detriment to your career. So we need to figure that out. 122 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: The army needs to get into modern times and figure 123 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: out ways to support families on a whole host of things, 124 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: which I'm happy to talk about, the whole host of things. 125 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Like a woman tried to move in the career field 126 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: and then she gets one of us and. 127 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: I'm not, And you know, I would urge you at 128 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: some point we should have a you know, somebody who's 129 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: gone through that, right, a woman that's gone through his 130 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: career and jeopardy to try to do that. I think 131 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: your listeners would like that. But when you would like 132 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: to see that, yeah, when you think about finances right now, 133 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: And of course, we just had an election. 134 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we just had the presidential election here in the 135 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: US and what's his name, Donald Trump has been elected 136 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: to the White House again. Since Grover Cleveland. Let's just 137 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: call it what it is, is a felon who has 138 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: been elected to the White House. 139 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's there's probably you know, there's many 140 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: perspectives on Donald Trump. I will say this, I'm hopeful 141 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: that the economy will get better because right now we 142 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: have twenty four percent of our active duty military with 143 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: food and financial insecurities. This is not a statistic that 144 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm up or some think tank came up with. This 145 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: is Department of Defense numbers. 146 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: Oh well, jim, let me tell you about my dad 147 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: being a Green Beret. Okay, growing up eighties and nineties, 148 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: we went to the food pantry for the Mormon Church 149 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: more than one time. Right when my dad was laying 150 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: in the bed with my mom, they broke down his 151 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven pay to be two dollars and 152 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: thirteen cents an hour while he's sleeping or not. Right, 153 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: So you know, it's not just this guy coming in 154 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna change anything. He would have changed it already. 155 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: He already had a chance, right like a U. 156 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to I don't want to get put. 157 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: I always like to get judges out and put a 158 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: new judge in because that first judge had four years 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: of doing whatever, and now you get a new judge 160 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: who's gonna be all like I got the country. But 161 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: this guy, this guy has already had a platform of 162 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: bigotry and hate and mocking people and people with disabilities, 163 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: people that are women, people who choose to be what 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: they want to be in life. Like when my father 165 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: taught me to free the oppressed, that means freedom of choice. 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: Have to be mocked or make fun of or belittled 167 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: or say you can't, you know, go here or there. 168 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: When people say, like when Donald Trump says, we don't 169 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: want you know, uni sex bathrooms, it's like, well, don't 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: you want the little baby boy being changed by his 171 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: father and mother in their bathroom? Yeah? So I think 172 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: that it goes all the way to the root of 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: that evil. And I know that you have like a 174 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: pure result that was prior to the election that says 175 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: like you know, military personnel or you know, in favor 176 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: and all these different things. And obviously something's happened where 177 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump got re elected and everybody I talk to 178 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: in Utah is like disassociated from the US right now. 179 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: They're like, I just don't understand how so many people 180 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: could want the rhetoric out of his mouth. How do 181 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: we justify that? How does the Mormon Church here in Utah? 182 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: How does the Catholic Church justify his antics as wholesome 183 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: and Christian when he is a philandering individual who cheats 184 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: on his wife and with you know, no cause or 185 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: regard for anybody else by himself, And you can't deny 186 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: it's facts. These are all facts. 187 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: Well we could we let's leave it at this. We 188 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: have difference of opinion, and we are an apolitical. 189 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: Different right, You and I could have difference. 190 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: It would be it would be more beneficial for me 191 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: to talk about veterans issues and not the political landscape. 192 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: If we can do that. 193 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Oh sure, well, I mean it is what it is. 194 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: The veterans are going to be like. You know, there's 195 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: let's say that there's veterans out there that want to 196 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: reach out to you because he's been elected and they're 197 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: depressed because of it. What happens now? 198 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we're always here for veterans for a variety 199 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: of reasons, and we have a lot of coalition partners 200 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: that help us direct veterans to the right place. And 201 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: when you go to our website. You can see they're 202 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: really a hub for veterans. So let's say you're a 203 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: veteran getting out of the service right now and you 204 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: think about starting your business. We have webcasts UH and 205 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: podcasts and the nonprofits that we work with to help 206 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: you kind of find that path. How do you start 207 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: a business? We also have you know, some great podcasts 208 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: and YouTube series on getting VA benefits and understanding how 209 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: to do that. The challenge with military veterans getting out 210 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 2: of a service is that the Transition Assistant Program TAP 211 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: is really not up to speed. It is not helping 212 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: a lot of veterans really find their way. So let's 213 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: think about this. If twenty four percent of active duty 214 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: military are on food insecurity issues, which means they that's 215 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: a financial insecurity the DoD describes as food insecurity issues, 216 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: but the factory means if you can't pay for food, 217 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: you don't have enough money because that's the first thing 218 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: you're spending money on. So if you think about that, 219 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 2: and then you think about the pay that they're receiving 220 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: while they're in the military and they get out, you 221 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: can understand why they're behind the eight ball on making 222 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: this transition after a few years, like increasing the pay 223 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: to people like they are they should and that's what 224 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: that's one of the things we've been advocating for, and 225 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: it's one of the most important things to our veterans. 226 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: It should be bipartisan on that, right. That should be 227 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: a simple like, oh, it's a veteran, no matter who 228 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: they believe in. I mean, Congress might say let's give 229 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: them a ten increase. 230 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: Right, And I think there needs to be a real 231 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: hard look on on why that has not happened. I 232 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: think there also needs to be a look into why 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: people aren't staying in the military. I mean, the fact 234 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: is is that the retention rate is really low. I'm 235 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: sure part of that has to do with the fact 236 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: that they're not paying soldiers, airmen, marines enough to live, 237 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: but it's also the op tempo when you have less 238 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: people to do the job. If your organization is supposed 239 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: to have twenty people and you only have ten, well 240 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: everybody's doing double the work, right, and so they need 241 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: to they need to figure that out. Either you reduce 242 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: what needs to get done or you need to add 243 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: the people. But I also feel that you know, at 244 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: the back end, then you see veterans struggling to get 245 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: the help they healthcare where they needed, when they needed, 246 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: how they need it from the VA. So if you 247 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: think of those two things as bookends, it should be 248 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: no surprise that recruitment numbers are very low and the 249 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: services are not hitting their mark. More advertising it's not 250 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: going to fix that. It's a systemic problem. We have 251 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: an army, right, so there needs to be a better 252 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: look at at. 253 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: That versus like on a NASCAR hood for two hundred 254 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. 255 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get I get it. They need to advertise 256 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: to youth because that's who's joining the military for the 257 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: most part. But they need to be recruits for at 258 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 2: the local schools. 259 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: You know, they set up a table with a banner 260 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: and some pamphlets and. 261 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,119 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, some schools don't allow. 262 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Recruiters in, well, only private schools. Yeah, so if they 263 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: get any federal funds, then the federal funds could be 264 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: pulled if they don't allow recruiters in. Yeah, so any 265 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: school that's public is allowing recruiters. It would be private 266 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: charter schools where they get vouchers that can block that 267 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: recruit from going in there, where they're actually giving a 268 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: higher education to that student who we could use in 269 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: the military, right right. 270 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, well I think they're going to need to relook. 271 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: You know what, what what what does it mean to serve? 272 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: What is it that are the incentives? I mean, right now, 273 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: the big incentive for a lot of young people to 274 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: join the military is the GI Bill, which gives you, 275 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: of course access to funding when you continue in your education. 276 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: And that's great, and I'm not advocating in any way 277 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: that we reduce that. But if you think about it in 278 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: logical progression, if you're incentivizing somebody to leave to go 279 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: to school, you shouldn't be surprised that they're leaving and 280 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: going to school, right, So what else are you off 281 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: counterbalancing that? What is the incentives to stay in And 282 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: they need to take a look at that. It's a 283 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: dangerous world out there. We need to have a military 284 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: that's robust. We need to have a military that has 285 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: the best and brightest serving in it. It is dangerous, 286 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: it's dangerous, and you need to have you need to 287 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: educate coaches and counselors and parents on what the advantages 288 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: are of serving in the military. And right now, I 289 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: don't think in this emphasis is on that. But we're 290 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: really concerned at our organization of how we help veterans, 291 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: and certainly early transition veterans is part of that. You 292 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: have about two hundred thousand veterans every year getting now 293 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: in the military, so it's a lot of people. But 294 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: you have a lot of veterans in the country. There's 295 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: eighteen point five million veterans in our country. 296 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna say like twenty million, but yeah, and. 297 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: That numbers declining because of the just the demographics. 298 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: Well, and the wars died down, right, we're not really 299 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, so the veterans aren't being pas dispensered out 300 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: if you will. 301 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: Ye, and you've had a lot of most World War 302 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: Two in Korea veterans passing away, and so are Vietnam veterans. 303 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Now it's coming up to the desert storms. 304 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: Right, So you have about eighteen and a half million 305 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: veterans in the country. Half of those are not represented 306 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: by the VA, so they're not registered with the VA, 307 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: they're not served by the VA. 308 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: So is that the veterans fault or is that the 309 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: VA's fault for not staying in touch with the veterans. 310 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: What do you think should the veteran who's listening to this, 311 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: since not registered and got out, be like, I should 312 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: go register with the VA. 313 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: I think there needs to be an education program on that. 314 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 2: On the importance of that. I'm reluctant to point a 315 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: finger and say it's your fault or your fault, and 316 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: I think it's an individual decision. Some people left the military, 317 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: they feel fine, they don't want to deal with that, 318 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: and they don't like to bureaucracy. They have their own 319 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: health care, so they move away and they don't need it. 320 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 2: On the other hand, I think the VA could do 321 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: a lot better job. I'm making sure they're reaching out 322 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: to veterans early on. I mean, the DD in the 323 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: VA don't talk to each other, and that has been 324 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: the case since inception. I mean, even your medical records 325 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: for many many years didn't transfer, and it's only transferred 326 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: now is when you put into forclaim or you register 327 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: with the VA. So if you think about a three 328 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty billion dollar budget that the VA has 329 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: and you only serve half of the veterans that are 330 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: in our country, there needs to be a look at 331 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: where that money's being spent and is it being spent wisely, 332 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: is there a better use of that money one of 333 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: the programs that are working that you can reinforce, and 334 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: what are the programs that you probably need to relook 335 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: and maybe cut. But clearly there needs. 336 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: To be. 337 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: Improvement in the efficiency of the VA and the ability 338 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: of the. 339 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: VA to. 340 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: Reach veterans where they need healthcare and where they want 341 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: to get their healthcare. I mean, I mean, right now, 342 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: it's a brick and more to kind of model and 343 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: you've got to go to them. And in some cases 344 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: that's too far for a veteran or they can't get there, 345 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: or are they just they're too sick they can't right right? 346 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, you know, I got friends who are from 347 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: a Navajo nation and it's difficult for them to get 348 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: to the VA. You know, sometimes the representative will come 349 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: on to the reservation, but it's like, you know, yeah, 350 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: where is that representation at? You know for those guys 351 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: right serve. 352 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you know, I think a look at 353 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: what holistic medicine looks like. Right, rather than always treating 354 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: the symptom when it gets to the point where it 355 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: needs surgery or something, rather than getting to it earlier on. 356 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: It's something we're exploring and taking a look at with 357 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: other organization. We look at our organization as a conduit 358 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: for the forty thousand other veterans support organizations that make 359 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 2: up our country. There's about forty thousand veterans support organizations now. 360 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: The vast majority of them are very small, mom and 361 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: pop foundations. Maybe they're providing a couple of service dogs 362 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: to a local community, maybe they have a horseback therapy, 363 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: you know, in one community, and they're doing God's work, 364 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: and they do excellent work. But the majority of them 365 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: are quite small. The bigger organizations, the ones you think about, 366 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: they're the ones that we're working with to make sure 367 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: that people can find that path. So we, through our 368 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: new website, provide news to a veterans so they can 369 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: see that that that's impacting that community. We highlight organizations 370 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: that they can get involved with. You know, I'm a 371 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: firm believer in my organization is is that if we 372 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: can just do a better job on getting a veteran 373 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: when they get out of the military and plug them 374 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: in to a brotherhood, a sisterhood of other veterans and 375 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: other organization including ours, they're going to do much better. 376 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: If we could just make that happen. If there's one 377 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: thing I could ask the d D and the VA 378 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: to do is, you know, allow veterans when they're getting 379 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: out of the service to sign a piece of paper 380 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: and share those names with a couple vetted veteran support 381 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: organizations so we can reach out to them. So when 382 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: Charlie or Sally gets out of the military and they 383 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: go to Utah or to go to Salt Lake, there's 384 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: a vso that calls them up, reaches out to them, says, hey, 385 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: I understand you're in the Salt Lake region. We'd like 386 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: to take you out to lunch, find out what your 387 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: aspirations are, tell you a little bit about ourselves, and 388 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: plug you into the community, help you along the way. 389 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: I would take that job myself. 390 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean that's a great job, right, I 391 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: mean I would take. 392 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: That job to reach out and say hey, what's up 393 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: as within the VA four the veterans. 394 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll tell you from my transition and I 395 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: had a wonderful job. I was leaving running communications public 396 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: affairs for West Point. I just made a promotion to 397 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: six but decided to retire. Had a wonderful job working 398 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: for a fortune five or fortune fifty company, very large company, 399 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: had a great job, and there was something missing. I 400 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: could not believe that no one reached out to me 401 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: from the army, right, I mean here, I was gone 402 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: and no one called and checked and nobody reached out. 403 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: When months go by and you feel like you're disengaged 404 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: and the only people you're talking to your buddies and 405 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 2: folks that you serve with, but the institution itself completely 406 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: cuts off communication. As soon as you resign or retire 407 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: or whatever it is, you're gone, you're going to get right. 408 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: You'll get in your paycheck or your retirement check. 409 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: That's it. 410 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: And that's not even a letter that goes to a bank. 411 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: So they could do a much better job on staying 412 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: in touch and building that alumni and directing people to 413 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: veteran support organizations. So right from the start, you have 414 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: somebody who's going to reach out to you and find out, 415 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: you know, what's needed, what can we be helpful with. 416 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: I think that would go a long way, because a 417 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: lot of veterans struggle with that. 418 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: Every veteran I know went through a morning period of 419 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: leaving the military, and it might be that it was 420 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: a short lived morning period, right they left and they 421 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: couldn't wait to get out, but they. 422 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: Missed aspects of it. As time went on, they kind 423 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: of forgot the bad things and they remembered the buddies, 424 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: and they remembered this and remember that, And there's a 425 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 2: morning period. If it was a career for you, then 426 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: it's even more so. It's like losing someone. It's that impactful. 427 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: And I think we need to understand that and we 428 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: need to try to mitigate that, because if you think 429 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: about it, is they have thrown millions of dollars day 430 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: to VA DoD others at suicide prevention, and still the 431 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: numbers are astronomically high, anywhere from eighteen to twenty five 432 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: a day. So obviously what you're doing is not working. 433 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: I think that breaking up that chain. If you think 434 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: about it, you get out of the military, maybe it 435 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 2: was really impactful to you. You go to your first job, 436 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't work out, then you struggle to get your 437 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: next job, and now your circle of friends and maybe 438 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: family or it is not as tight as it was. 439 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: You've lost your folks that you served with, now you're 440 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: in financial straits. You can see where that spiral goes 441 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: to a deep and dark place that's hard to get 442 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 2: out of, and in any other number of things, substance abuse, 443 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: alcohol abuse, injury, any any number of those things, financial destitutions. 444 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: Literally just keep conversations with like a few that's just 445 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: yesterday regarding the election and their depression, like just how 446 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: they're talking and and and it's just it's interesting to 447 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: hear that. It's not just it's just like they're just 448 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: how can you stop somebody? Jim? How can I tell 449 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: you that you have to do what I say? 450 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: Well, how can you that? 451 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: And that means like stay alive? 452 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: And you're like, yeah, it doesn't work, Yeah, it doesn't work. 453 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: And you can't just tell somebody depressed, hey, just be happy. 454 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: You got a lots to be happy for. How do 455 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: I It doesn't work that way. 456 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's why I said I would love that job 457 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: because I feel like I have an empathetic heart. 458 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I sense that, and I'm sure your viewers 459 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: do you know listeners? I feel like if we could 460 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: just break up that chain and get to them and yeah, 461 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: And I think the great thing about all veterans I've 462 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: met and served with and work with now, they're great 463 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: at helping other people. All veterans are great. 464 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: You give them a. 465 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: Mission and say, hey man, we need you to go 466 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: over there and help these people out there on it 467 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: will whatever they do it. But they're awful at helping themselves. 468 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: Right, Well, they won't go to the VA. They get out. 469 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: They're still like maybe in their twenties or thirties, and 470 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: they might have got out with a medical and they 471 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: got over that and they didn't want to go to 472 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: the VA because I'm good, I got this, I suck 473 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: it up. But then they're sixty and then their sweet 474 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: sixty year old wife is pushing them in the wheelchair 475 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: and she's trying to take care of herself and that 476 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: person because they didn't go sooner. 477 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you just nailed me. I had never I 478 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: didn't file any VA claims until last year. Yeah, and 479 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 2: I just felt like, hey, well, I got all my 480 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: fingers and toes. I've never been severely injured me And 481 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 2: by the way, those guys that really need it, I'm 482 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: not one of them. Well, now you've got an fl 483 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: client yep, to address the issues that are affecting you 484 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: and to make a claim. And I think the VA 485 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: needs to recognize. 486 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: That correct and make it a bit claim right now. 487 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 1: If somebody out there is listening to this, you know 488 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: they have not made their claim, they should just start 489 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: and say. 490 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: Hi, yeah, absolutely, And there's so many right and they 491 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: can go to our website and we have a wonderful 492 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: video that walks people through on our YouTube page that 493 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: talks about how to do that, and it's step by 494 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: step and even if you have done it, I would 495 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: urge you to go and listen to that because it's 496 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: a wonderful simplified process and walks you through the dus 497 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: and don'ts. It's a short video, it doesn't take a 498 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: lot of time. We could change your life, and we 499 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: ask people to do that, and they can always contact 500 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: us and we can put them in contact with other 501 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 2: vis that actually help with claims. And almost every county 502 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: has a VSO at the county Military Organization, some veterans hospitals. 503 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: There's a huge veterans hospital here in Charlote. I live 504 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: in South Carolina, so my Veterans' Hospital via Hospitals in Charlotte. 505 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: I just recently went there the first time. There is 506 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: no Veterans Support organ there's no claims officer for that 507 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: whole hospital. You have to go outside organization to do that. 508 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: So that's in mind boggling to me. And I saw, 509 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: you know, a huge building, hundreds and hundreds of people 510 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: working there, not one office now one office that helps 511 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: walk you through that, And it seems to me, isn't 512 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: that what you're supposed to be doing? But I think 513 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: it's things like that that they need to look at 514 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: and address. And if it's happening here, I'm sure it's 515 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: happening at scale in many organizations. 516 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: On the weekend comes in and then you're an idol. 517 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: You're like, what's going on with my rating? It's the weekend. 518 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: Everybody's gone home at five o'clock, you know, And it's. 519 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: Like, I'm not taking a taking away from the great 520 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: people that do work for the VS. There are wonderful 521 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: people in every organization, but. 522 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: If they still walk out at five, yeah. 523 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: And and the system is not conducive. You know, I 524 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: don't know who would be the next to be a secretary. 525 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: It's a very difficult job. It's very difficult to succeed 526 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: in it. 527 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: But bro what I said probably Elon Musk. 528 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe I don't know. 529 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: That. 530 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: I do think that you need somebody that can at 531 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: least bring people in and talk about customer service. They 532 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: need to have a customer service mindset, right, I. 533 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: Mean four more years for that. 534 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: So we need to we need to figure out. 535 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: The customer service brother. Yea, literally someone who's gonna care 536 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: and listen, not just say this is how it is. 537 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so's hopefully to be a can. They're striving hard 538 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: to make changes, and I applaud a lot of the 539 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: things that they've done to improve. I just think like 540 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: most veterans, and we see that the access to care 541 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: is one of the top things that veterans are concerned about. 542 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: Oh. I've had the director on the show. I have 543 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: talked to him personally, especially during the time of COVID, 544 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: right when he was serving under former President Trump, who's 545 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: going to be future President Trump. So at the time 546 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 1: he just said, you know, rad I just looked at 547 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: it like I wore US before anything else. It was 548 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: US Army, US Marines. We all came together. We had 549 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: no political anything except just the belief of the US 550 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: of A basically, and I was like, Okay, cool bro. 551 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: But He's like, I still had three hundred and eight 552 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: thousand employees and I was losing like a thousand of 553 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: them to COVID and that's that's that's serious stuff, right, 554 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: Ye sitting there saying like we want, you know, adaptive 555 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: recreational therapy for veterans. Right It's like, yeah, why should 556 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: it be at sixty percent? Or hire to get adaptive 557 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: ski chairs for somebody? Why do you have to have 558 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: a missing limb, you know, to be considered. Oh, now 559 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: you can have the bucket to go skiing now, but 560 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: you have all your limbs and maybe you have a concussion. 561 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: To TBIs and you want to go out and enjoy 562 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: the outdoors, They're like, well you're rating forty percent. 563 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: I mean like really, yeah, and you think about you 564 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: mentioned TBIs and you just I think it was two 565 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: days ago Bernie Marcus passed away, the founder of From Depot. 566 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: Bernie Marcus did more for TBI than any living person 567 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: on this planet. He provided millions of dollars to TBI research, 568 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: built brick and mortar through the Avalon Alliance, and just 569 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: of awareness awareness. I mean, he did some great work. 570 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: And you know, I think it's those public private partnerships 571 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: that bring in new ideas, new skills that really can 572 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: challenge the way government thinks about the things and the 573 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: way they approach things and so. 574 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: Well, a huge has a huge veteran presence, you know, 575 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: like I think you go to the parking lot, they 576 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: even have like handicapped expecting mothers and veterans. 577 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: And Milton, yeah, yeah, and that's and that's great. And 578 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: you see that, you know, their folks will wear their 579 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: vests the chef that they're the military and pride in that, 580 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: and that's great. We should see more companies take that. 581 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: And that's the other thing that I think brings up 582 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: a point we need to the Department of the Fans 583 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: v A and Veterans Support organizations really need to try 584 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: to come together and educate Corporate America and business on 585 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 2: what veterans bring to the workplace. So we've heard an 586 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: awful lot about pts UH challenges veterans have suicide. If 587 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: that's all you're hearing, you're thinking that all veterans you 588 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: meet are on the brink of every of doing taking 589 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: their life or what have you. And the fact of 590 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 2: the matter is a vast majority of veterans are great employees, 591 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: bring loyalty to an organization. Our diverse thinkers have worked 592 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: in diverse organizations, had to think on their feet quickly 593 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: can be relied upon. I think there could be a 594 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: whole lot of benefit to having a national effort on 595 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: hiring veterans and exploring those partnerships of how I mean, 596 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: some companies do a great job of hiring veterans. I 597 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: worked for Siemens for a number of years, and back 598 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: in two thousand and four, two thousand and five CEO 599 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: at the time committed to hiring ten percent of all 600 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: new employees being veterans. Right, I mean, that was an 601 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: enormous undertaking in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, 602 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: and I believe they continue to do that today. So 603 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: it can be done. You just got to put some 604 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: effort behind it, and I'm sure they have reaped a 605 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: lot of benefits of bringing high quality people. 606 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: In well, you know, I mean so respect to that comment. 607 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, you you were the CEO and you had 608 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: transitioned out yourself, and here you are a veteran. Do 609 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: you work you know in the in the civilian sector 610 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: or the civilian world trying to you know, do. 611 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been fortunate to have, you know, great opportunities 612 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: and a lot of luck or blessings. However, you want 613 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: to look at it. I always think of it as 614 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: a blessing. I think and I believe that I was 615 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: fortunate to have learned some great things while I was 616 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: in the military, and how to lead people with empathy, 617 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: how to get the job done, hold people to a 618 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: high standard. People want to be helped to a high standard, 619 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: by the way, and they want to be challenged, but 620 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: they want to know you care about it. And I 621 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: think that lesson in leadership. You could go to any 622 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: NBA spend tens of thousands of dollars, but the end 623 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: of the day, treating people the way you want to 624 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 2: be treated is what it's all about. And I feel 625 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: that the military helped me with that, helps a lot 626 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: of people with that. And so it'd be great to 627 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: see more and more companies embrace hiring veterans and putting 628 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: them into tough positions and and and and letting them thrive. 629 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: I mean, some of the best people I worked worked 630 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: with and four didn't have doctorates in psychology, but boy, 631 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: they knew how to motivate people. I saw some sergeants 632 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 2: with a high school education that were some of the 633 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: smartest people I ever met in my life. 634 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: You know, you know what I would say, is that 635 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, Jacob he served Ono today as 636 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: a a police fashion in the army. Okay, I won't 637 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: say his exact job detail, but what happened is he 638 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: told me once he was stuck over there during COVID, 639 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: He's like, rad you know, just be the kindness that 640 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: you want to see in the world today, bro, Yeah, 641 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: because here he is just dealing with a situation. You know, 642 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 1: a prison. It's not a happy place, you know, and 643 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: you got people incarcerated, but you also have to work 644 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: in the incarcerated system, so you're also in prison, you know. 645 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean really right, it's true. So 646 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: he I just want to piggyback on the kindness thing, 647 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: you know. He here, he comes from a very tough 648 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: environment and he might be the kindness that you want 649 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: to see in the world today. And I'm like, I'm 650 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: gonna steal that, bro. 651 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think I think that's important in every 652 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: rock of life. But you know, I think, you know, 653 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 2: when I step back and I look at what mister 654 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: Rocal is trying to do, it's a it's a big task. 655 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we're trying to tell be the voice of 656 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: the American veteran our polling to make sure those voices 657 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: are heard. As they mentioned earlier, there's eighteen million veterans. 658 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 2: We're trying to reach all of them so their voices 659 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 2: can be heard. That's a powerful block of people because 660 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 2: it's not just the eighteen point five million people. It's 661 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: your spouse, it's your dependence, it's the caregivers. So that's 662 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: probably around forty million when you look at it, and 663 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 2: that's a powerful block of voters. It's a powerful block 664 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: of voices that need to be heard. And I think 665 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: if we can bring that together and not dissipate it 666 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: across so many other different places. That's why we do 667 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 2: a lot of polling with our veterans, and anybody can join. 668 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 2: Mister Rollcoll just go to the website does cost of 669 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: thing and you can take a poll. I'm pretty sure 670 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: pretty soon you'll be able to do. 671 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 4: That live in time on our website. Oh that's cool, 672 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 4: And you can do it via your phone, so it's 673 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 4: not just text messages and you can do that. We 674 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 4: use that then to go to the press and talk 675 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 4: about the things. 676 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: But more importantly, we then can break that down by 677 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 2: congressional district and then go to that congressman or congresswoman 678 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: and say, listen, this is what the veterans in your 679 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: district are saying. Cool, and we need your help here. 680 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: And in many cases we don't get pushback on that. 681 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: We get oh, I didn't know that. I mean, they're 682 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of problems too, so, but when 683 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 2: you bring that to them and say this is important 684 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: to your constituency, yes, then most of them want to 685 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: be helpful with that. You know, veterans are held in 686 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: high regard in our country, higher than you know, almost 687 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 2: any certainly higher than any government institution. 688 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: Right. 689 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 2: You mean you think about veterans, right. 690 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: And then you think about what if says in any 691 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: type of ninety three fashion, it is that I swear 692 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: my life right, yes, yes, yeah, so it's. 693 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: Held in high regard. And I think we need to 694 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 2: be more vocal as an organization, as a group of people. Yes, 695 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 2: And that's what's great about what separates us from any 696 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 2: other organization is that we do not filter any of 697 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 2: our responses. So let's just take another vso, a big VSO. 698 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 2: I won't tell you which one, but most of the 699 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: big ones you have chapters, you have regions, and they 700 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 2: come together, and they come in together and they say, 701 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 2: here's our three big issues for this organization in Ohio. Well, 702 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 2: of course that goes up to the region, and the 703 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: region says, well, yeah, but not those two, maybe this one. 704 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: And then it goes up to the national and they go, no, no, 705 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: none of those are important. This is what's important. We 706 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: don't do that. 707 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 5: We ask our veterans important questions that affect them and 708 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 5: affect veteran community, and we publish those results, and then 709 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 5: I reach out to. 710 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 2: The press and say, this is what our veterans are 711 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 2: telling us. So it's not my opinion, it's not my 712 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 2: team's opinion, it's not something that we may or may 713 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 2: not agree with. It's what the majority of our veterans 714 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 2: are telling us. And we bring it down to percentages 715 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: so that they can use that information to make those decisions. 716 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 2: And it's important, I think for the press to understand that. 717 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: I talk to a lot of press. I can count 718 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: on one hand the people that work in the press 719 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: that have had any military experience, that have served that 720 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 2: know somebody is who's served. Most of them have no clue. 721 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 2: And I don't hold that against them. I look at 722 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 2: that as an opportunity to educate them. But we need 723 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: to get the word out a little bit better. I 724 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 2: think as a community, we used to be given a 725 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 2: task and getting it done and doing it quietly and 726 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 2: not say look at me, so but we need to 727 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 2: make sure our voices are heard. And so that's what 728 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 2: we're doing and we've got We've had a lot of 729 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 2: success with that. We've increased the number of people that 730 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 2: are paying attention to us. We've been getting some advocacy 731 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: done on behalf of veterans in DC, and we're going 732 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 2: to continue to do that with both Democrats and Republicans. 733 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: And they value that because they know we're a political 734 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 2: We may have our own personal beliefs, but we don't 735 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: wear that on our sleeves, and we don't favor one 736 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: over the other. We just want it to be addressed 737 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 2: these issues and for them to work together to address 738 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 2: these issues. 739 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: This sounds like you have that same US mindset. I 740 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: was interviewing a gentleman that helped transition President Bias what 741 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: he's going from Bush to Obama? And he was underneath 742 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: Bush at the time, right, And he said the same 743 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: thing as the director of the VA said, which is 744 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: rad when we had the booklet to pass over to 745 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: the next presidency. We understood that the US was on 746 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: our name tape. 747 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: It was US. 748 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: So that's who we are. And so whether we have 749 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: a belief in our own self at the end of 750 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: the day, down to the machine of the USA is 751 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: what he was putting finished, right. 752 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 2: Well, we always put mission first, right, that's it, and 753 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: that's the way we are and that's what we've been built. 754 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 2: Every branch of services like that. 755 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: My dad was like that. He was very like a 756 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: political He always tell me, you know what aeron am 757 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: all what He's like, you don't have to tell anybody. 758 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: It was Duke Caucus and Reagan and I was like, 759 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: who are you voting for? Dad? And he's like, I 760 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: don't have to tell you. And I was his son. Yeah, 761 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: And to the day he died, I would take him 762 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: to vote and I would just guess who'd you vote for. 763 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: He's like, I don't have to tell you. He would never, ever, ever, ever, ever. 764 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: He kept that and I kind of do the same. 765 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: I may have opinions or I want a conversation about 766 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: a situation or things that are out there, but at 767 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's our right just to 768 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of hold it to ourselves. We don't have to. 769 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you think it doesn't mean you've got 770 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 2: to say it. There is And I mean sometimes people 771 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 2: don't think about the second and third order effects of 772 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: what they say. I mean we see that with families 773 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 2: and friends and all of that. Yes, you know, I 774 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 2: feel that it's important to recognize that the military represent 775 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: the fabric of our country. I think it represents the 776 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: best of our country. Anybody who raises their hand uh 777 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 2: and writes that blank check says I'm going to serve 778 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 2: my country, regardless of what they did in the military 779 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 2: at the FOREIGND being a Delta Force member or flying 780 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 2: an aircraft, or being an infantryman, or being a submarine, 781 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 2: or being a or being a pol handler or a cook. 782 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 2: They're all noble, noble efforts and noble profession and I 783 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: feel as a country we need to do better to 784 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 2: make sure that those folks that have done that are here, 785 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 2: are taken care of getting the access that they need 786 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 2: to healthcare, and they're being employed and recognized for the 787 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 2: skills that they bring to employees. I think we can 788 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 2: prove all those things, yes, but we're only going to 789 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 2: do that. If voices are heard, it's just not going 790 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 2: to happen on its own. 791 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: We already talked about that. The military, the Army, the 792 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: Air Force, the Navy, the Marines, the Space Force are 793 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: not like quite reaching out to you. You have to 794 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,439 Speaker 1: be that voice and reach out to them, and reach 795 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: out to Mission roll Call and go look at their 796 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: website and go watch that YouTube, Tatorial. I'm gonna watch it. 797 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to see exactly what Jim was just talking about, 798 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: because I mean, I could go to the VA, but 799 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 1: I have health assurance. 800 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 2: Yeah I do too, you know, most people do, but 801 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:44,959 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean. 802 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: You can say it. 803 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's important to I think it's important that 804 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 2: as a community help each other. Yes, you know, and 805 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 2: that's what we're trying to do. I mean, in the military, 806 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 2: you never thought about yourself. You were thought about your 807 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: guys to your left and right, that's right, gals that 808 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: you work with, and and it was missioned first and 809 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 2: people always, and you took care of each other. We 810 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 2: need to continue that mindset. That's what makes us great. 811 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 2: And we need to continue that mindset when we get 812 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 2: out of the military, because that is what sets us 813 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 2: apart from so many other people. Is we have this 814 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 2: selfless service. We want to help others. One way of 815 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 2: doing that, I think is to have your voice heard 816 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 2: and reach out to other veterans and say, you need 817 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 2: to be part of this. This is important because you're 818 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 2: going to help the next generation. You're gonna help that 819 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 2: old guy down the street who's a veteran that might 820 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 2: have got slipped through the cracks. 821 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: And you don't need to take yourself out. You need 822 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: to get a colonoscope. 823 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you need to you. 824 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: With all due respect, joking, you know, I just went 825 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: and had a I see what did I have? I 826 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: had a CT scan in my heart because it's in 827 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: my family. My dad, uh suffered like stroke seizear's at 828 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: forty so full on. He was running marathons just a 829 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: few months before and then collapsed in the shower. His 830 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: medics showed up to the door that day because the 831 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: nine on one call from my mom. They're like, oh, radel, 832 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: let me get there. And it was his own team guy, 833 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: so he's the medic on call. So oh it's a 834 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: very yeah, especially in late in Utah. You know they're 835 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: all working different jobs, you know how Yeah, stuff guys 836 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: are so Shumway shows up. He's like, Radel, I got 837 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,959 Speaker 1: to tell this to the ups, and he's like, I'm good. 838 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: My Dad's like leaning in the door, white as a ghost, 839 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: trying to say I'm okay, yeah, okay. And I never 840 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,439 Speaker 1: saw my dad. My dad didn't drink. My dad didn't smoke. 841 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: My dad went to church every Sunday, donated his tithing 842 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: every single month, served in the bishops warehouse to get 843 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: people food. After he got out of the military, always 844 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: had some type of a serve mentality. And at sixty 845 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: three he was gone from heart issues. But I watched 846 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: my mom become his caregiver one hundred percent and his 847 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: VA advocate. And then when she learned everything from me 848 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: a VA advocate for him. Others that she would meet 849 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: would ask her for help, and so she would just say, well, 850 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: this is what you probably need to do for your case. 851 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,760 Speaker 1: She would help get people to the one hundred percent 852 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: rating without a diet. My mother would walk like a 853 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: lawyer with a bag of stuff to these people and 854 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,479 Speaker 1: meet with them at God bless her very much. Yeah, 855 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: she's with my dad now, but I would watch her 856 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: push that wheelchair up and down those long hallways at 857 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: Salt Lakes and VA or I would help push with 858 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: my dad. Hey, Eric, can you take dad to the dock? Yeah, 859 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: no problem, right, And I'm like, geez, mom, is this 860 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: what you're doing all the time? I'm being married and 861 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: having kids and you're pushing his dad through the wheel. 862 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: I took it all for granted. 863 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And thank God for souls like that in our 864 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 2: society that care about others. And you do need to 865 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,399 Speaker 2: be an advocate for yourself, yes, and that's why some 866 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 2: organizations are important to help magnify that advocacy. And that's 867 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 2: really what we're trying to do. And we're advocating. You know, 868 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of veterans sport organizations out there, and 869 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,479 Speaker 2: some of them, quite frankly, don't talk to each other 870 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 2: and are competitive with each other. Right they consider there, 871 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 2: you know, this is their audience. They're going after rama. 872 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 2: We don't look at it that way. We look at success. Well, 873 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 2: there's not a finite amount of success in the world. 874 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 2: There's not a finite amount of love in the world. 875 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 2: So we're helping organizations advocate on their behalf for them 876 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 2: because we have a we have two guys that are 877 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 2: in DC that are reaching out to elected officials. So 878 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 2: we'll we'll help other veterans support organizations do that, and 879 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 2: then I'll talk about other veterans support organizations when I 880 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 2: do media interviews, like before the election, I talked about 881 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 2: VET the Vote a lot. I mean that was a 882 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 2: that's a nonprofit that we're putting veterans in Poland stations 883 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,760 Speaker 2: across the country. I mean making sure that the voting 884 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 2: system worked and sure that. 885 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: Right you could be in charge of the VA. No, 886 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: thank you, Listen, listen, don't say hey, hey, just say well, 887 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: why not me? Okay? Every time my dad said why 888 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: you're not wanting to do it, and I said, well, 889 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, and he's like, well why don't you know? 890 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I can better serve what I'm doing now, 891 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 2: all right, this organization. But I will absolutely help who's 892 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 2: ever in there to help tell their story, to help 893 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 2: them reach veterans again, help them, you know, tap into 894 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,839 Speaker 2: the sediment, sentiment of what veterans are feeling, so that 895 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,439 Speaker 2: they can mean Because if you're if you're leading any 896 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 2: organization and you're just listening to the people that you 897 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 2: have hired, you're not getting the story. You have got 898 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,439 Speaker 2: to get out of your office and go and talk 899 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 2: to somebody you never met before it's going through the 900 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 2: system and say what's working, what isn't working? What can 901 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 2: I help you with? And finding out. 902 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: Those things like undercover boss dude. 903 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of benefits of managing 904 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 2: walking around and if you're just looking at stats and 905 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 2: numbers and performance indicators and all those sort of things, 906 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 2: you're not getting the real you're not getting ahead. 907 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: Of KPI on you know, the suicide. You know, it's like, well, 908 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're uh, you know, I want to keep 909 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: my job, so it's down. 910 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like they need to make sure 911 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 2: that happens. And they certainly have a number of I mean, 912 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 2: the huge organization and getting bigger the VA all of 913 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 2: them should be ambassadors of that program and making sure 914 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,439 Speaker 2: they're reaching out to veterans on their own. 915 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: I mean they should have the higher ups kind of 916 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,240 Speaker 1: how about processed veterans that are getting into the system exactly, 917 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: and then go back to your desk and say, hey, 918 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: you know what, I did this for two weeks. Yeah, 919 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: I sat down there and the same issue of like 920 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: this checkbox doesn't even matter, why are we making them 921 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: fill out this checkbox right? 922 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 2: Exactly right? You can you can be or or just 923 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 2: as simple of how far is the parking lot from 924 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 2: the front door? Seriously, do we not have a valet 925 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 2: that can come? And like you know what, guy out, 926 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 2: I mean, all you see these four bad later it's 927 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,840 Speaker 2: walking with you know, the tennis ball thing on the 928 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 2: front of their walk and they got walking a quarter 929 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 2: of a mile to get to the damn place. 930 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,800 Speaker 1: Yes, or you're exactly right. Why is there not a valet? 931 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 2: I mean, just make it easy and and and let's 932 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 2: be honest. Everybody wants to direct you to your website. 933 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 2: You got a problem, go to the website. Well, if 934 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 2: you're seventy five years old, yeah, exactly, you know that's 935 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 2: you might as well, you know, ask them to do 936 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 2: algebra for you. 937 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: And you know, the last thing someone getting stints put 938 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,800 Speaker 1: into them needs to do is walk across the parking lot. Okay, 939 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm laughing, but you know I've laughed with Well, my 940 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: dad had like four or five stints and open heart surgery. 941 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I can talk about it. Bro I am 942 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: the son of the SF and I have seen my 943 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: father go from one hundred percent marathon runner Green Beret too. Yeah. 944 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 2: Well, life's a fickle thing, right though. It is. 945 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: Actually, and then my friend's dad, I'm not going to 946 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: say his name, smoking, drinking, doing all sorts of things, 947 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: still seventy something years old, playing cards, playing in a band, 948 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: not not. 949 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, life sometimes does. It's so fair, and you wonder 950 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 2: what God thinks. 951 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: But my friend's dad, son was my friend's dad, sound 952 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 1: was like, dude, radl Like, my dad drinks and smokes 953 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 1: and stuff, and your dad didn't even I'm like, hey, man, 954 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: we have to just embrace what we have every single day. 955 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,280 Speaker 1: And we're above this ground because we've been a billion 956 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: years locked in our mind for a long time and 957 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, here we are. Yeah, and 958 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: we're going to go back for a billion more. So 959 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: make the most of what you're here for. Yeah. 960 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 2: I think, as you know, veterans, I think is a 961 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 2: community want to take care of each other. They want 962 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 2: to get involved in the community. They want to continue 963 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 2: to grow and flourish. They just need a tribe. I mean, 964 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 2: most veterans need two things. A tribe in a hill top. 965 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 2: They need a group of people that are gonna take 966 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 2: care of each other and they need and they need 967 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,839 Speaker 2: a mission. They need something to do purpose, a purpose, yes, 968 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,799 Speaker 2: and a calling. That's the hill. Defend the hill or 969 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,320 Speaker 2: take the hill. And if you keep that in mindset 970 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,799 Speaker 2: and you can get veterans involved with something in the 971 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 2: local community. So I would urge any small company or 972 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,840 Speaker 2: a large company reach out to us if you have 973 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 2: veterans in your organization and you're trying to figure out 974 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 2: how to retain them or how to mobilize them, because 975 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell you I've worked in two fortune five hundred companies. 976 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 2: In each case I always led the Veterans support group, 977 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 2: and some of them were thousands in number, where I 978 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,720 Speaker 2: would get all of them to volunteer. Either they were active, 979 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 2: they were a veteran, or they just wanted to be 980 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 2: involved in veterans causes because the husband was a veteran 981 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 2: or their son was. 982 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 1: They had asthma and they could never serve right. 983 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 2: Whatever their hardest pure of why they want to do it, 984 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,919 Speaker 2: we let them do it. And sometimes they're the best 985 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 2: volunteers and just unleash them in their local communities as 986 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 2: an organization. They'll set up five ks and raise money 987 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 2: for an organization. They'll go to a food bank and 988 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,760 Speaker 2: represent your company, and that's the best advertising you can buy. 989 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 2: That's the best marketing you could ever ask for. And 990 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 2: never under never take your employees for granted. You want 991 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 2: to keep them engaged and you want to have them 992 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 2: be proud of the company they work with, because as 993 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 2: soon as you lose, you're excited about what you're doing. 994 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 2: You like the company that you're working for, the organization 995 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 2: you're part of. Once that starts to go away, you're 996 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,200 Speaker 2: looking for something else unless you're locked into that job 997 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,280 Speaker 2: because that's the only thing you can do. Most people 998 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 2: want to be part of something bigger than themselves, absolutely on. 999 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 2: Veterans want to be like that. 1000 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: It just reminds me of like a soup kitchen, you know, 1001 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: when you work in the soup kitchen and you're handing 1002 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,160 Speaker 1: out the food to those that are in the need 1003 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,439 Speaker 1: of that food, right, or you've been on the other 1004 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: side of that where you've received the food and all 1005 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: you want to do is just give back to those 1006 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: who had given you that food to keep you going. Yeah, 1007 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: that changed me. When I was younger, I went to 1008 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: do that, you know, and serve food, and we were like, 1009 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 1: are we really giving them the old popcorn balls to 1010 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 1: eat on their food tray. You always had food that 1011 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: was given to the food bay. 1012 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and you learn a lot. 1013 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 1: You learn a lot, yeah. 1014 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 2: Doing that, and you learn humility and you lose, and 1015 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 2: you learn gratitude for what you do have. All those 1016 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 2: things are so important as a young person and certainly 1017 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 2: as an older person as well. And we're materialistic society, right, 1018 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,760 Speaker 2: It's about giving gifts and now over the holiday season, 1019 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 2: that's what we're all focused on, and maybe one less 1020 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 2: gift and maybe donating to a food bank or to 1021 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 2: I drink powdered milk bright Yeah, yeah, right. 1022 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: Well tell you yeah, I drinking that. 1023 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 2: Oh it's awful. 1024 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: So I know, ire if my dad was SS and 1025 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: I still had he's like a lot of kids eat 1026 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 1: cheerios with water. Aaron. I was like really and he's 1027 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: like yes and yeah, and we were just eating cheerios 1028 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,280 Speaker 1: with water. Yeah. 1029 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 2: Is that something? And you know that there's when you 1030 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 2: look at like I mentioned the stat earlier, you know, 1031 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 2: twenty four percent of active duty struggling to make endst 1032 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,200 Speaker 2: met and have food insecurity issues. To me, that's amporrent 1033 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,439 Speaker 2: as a as a country to me that is that 1034 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,320 Speaker 2: there is something significantly wrong with that, and I would 1035 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 2: have liked to have seen. And I think we're all happy, 1036 00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 2: regardless of political background, that election's over. We're happy with 1037 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 2: that because you're not getting text messages and all these 1038 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,680 Speaker 2: other sort of things, commercials and all that. But it 1039 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 2: would have been great to have more of a discussion 1040 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 2: on veterans issues in one of the debates. 1041 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: It really wasn't any of that. 1042 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,959 Speaker 2: It wasn't any of it, And to me, that only 1043 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,600 Speaker 2: that only so I could you could approach that from 1044 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 2: two distances. You can be very disappointed and we are 1045 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 2: as a veteran community, or you could be energized by 1046 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 2: that to say, we need to do a better job 1047 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 2: of making sure we're in the forefront of elected officials 1048 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,880 Speaker 2: and campaigns. And so that's what we need to do. 1049 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,359 Speaker 2: And the only way we're going to do that is 1050 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 2: that if you're interested in veterans causes, if you're interested 1051 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,359 Speaker 2: in veterans, maybe you have a son, a daughter, your 1052 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 2: grandfather served, whatever, go to our website. Join. We'll send 1053 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,760 Speaker 2: you updates as you want. We're not sharing that information 1054 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 2: with anybody. We're not asking for money, but it's important 1055 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,359 Speaker 2: for us to build those numbers. So that's because it's 1056 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,680 Speaker 2: a different situation when I walk into a senator's office 1057 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,360 Speaker 2: and I'm representing two million veterans versus ten million veterans. 1058 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:14,759 Speaker 2: That's a different conversation. 1059 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you have data. You have that, you 1060 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: have the metrics, and we. 1061 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,920 Speaker 2: Have the metrics, and we're approaching it from a political perspective, 1062 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 2: and they know that that's going to help opening the 1063 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,440 Speaker 2: door because we're representing what veterans families are telling us. Yes, 1064 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,240 Speaker 2: not something that I think is a great idea or 1065 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 2: my think ting things is a good idea, or something 1066 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,960 Speaker 2: that's going to help promote mission roll call. We're funded. 1067 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: You're aggregating all of these votes and polls from whoever's 1068 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: using mission roll calls voting mechanisms, and you're taking that 1069 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: and trying to sit in front of these people to 1070 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: lobby them for veterans benefits on a whole. 1071 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and educate them as well. You can't. You can't expect, 1072 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 2: you know, freshman, congressman or senator, you know everything about 1073 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 2: veteran causes. They need to be educated by that. And 1074 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 2: it's it's the case with a number of different subjects uh, 1075 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 2: and there's and there's complex issues with veterans' health care, 1076 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 2: with education, with assistance with finding a job and all that. 1077 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you think about it. The military does a 1078 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 2: wonderful job and taking a group of people, this kid 1079 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 2: from Chicago, this guy from rural uh you know, Utah, 1080 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 2: this dude who was surfing last week in California. We 1081 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,440 Speaker 2: put them all together and in a couple of weeks 1082 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 2: they are an organization. 1083 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: Right. 1084 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 2: They look different, they walk taller, they are military. Now, 1085 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 2: they're part of something bigger than themselves. They're working together 1086 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 2: whole different worlds. Right, we can transform people in a 1087 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,680 Speaker 2: matter of weeks. Think about if we had that same 1088 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 2: is when they got out of the military, to transform 1089 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 2: them to the civilian world. But we don't do that. 1090 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: No, there's a guy that when I got out, he 1091 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: was like, you're gonna get this booklet read it. These 1092 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 1: are your benefits if you have any questions. 1093 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah right, just like the same guy 1094 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 2: that gave you a brief game my brief and it 1095 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 2: was just a waste my time. 1096 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: It was just like, okay, cool. I held on to 1097 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: some of those thoughts and I if it wasn't for 1098 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: the let's just say if I hadn't enlisted, and if 1099 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: I hadn't gone through what I had gone through, I 1100 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't have my home, my VA home loan, I wouldn't 1101 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: have all these things that were afforded. You threw the 1102 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: VA benefits and someone out there thinking about joining, you know, 1103 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:38,960 Speaker 1: the next step is just to go talk to a 1104 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 1: career count for like a military branch that you want 1105 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: to serve in, and ask them if they can help you. 1106 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: That's all you got to do. You don't have to 1107 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 1: commit unless you choose to commit. 1108 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that there's just some basic things black 1109 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,919 Speaker 2: and and tackling that we need to do as organizations. 1110 00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 2: And I hope, I hope we can improve quality of 1111 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:09,080 Speaker 2: life veterans, improve their access. More importantly, just improve the 1112 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 2: ability of us telling the story to the press, to 1113 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,920 Speaker 2: the media, to elected officials into the general American public 1114 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,200 Speaker 2: and what veterans do bring to our society, how important 1115 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,040 Speaker 2: they are. What you can do. 1116 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 1: In Chicago and you say depress it sounds like depression. Yeah, duppress, 1117 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,439 Speaker 1: dump airs, press, press. 1118 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 2: It's great. So we just we had a lot of 1119 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 2: work to do. Have a passionate team on it, great 1120 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 2: group of people, and. 1121 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: We're passionate with you. Okay here at SOFTWAREP. I just 1122 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,440 Speaker 1: want you to know that you have us as a conduit. 1123 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I appreciate your time today and I have 1124 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 2: to call and I appreciate what you're doing to tell 1125 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 2: a story of what veterans do for us society, what 1126 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 2: they continue to do. I mean, and we and we 1127 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,480 Speaker 2: need to take care of our own, our mother and 1128 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 2: this is one way to do that. So thanks again 1129 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,040 Speaker 2: for having me today. 1130 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for keeping me straight on the path with 1131 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 1: our conversation. I was looking to go boxing today, but 1132 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: you're like Radam's gonna like not boxing. 1133 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just try to pivot there a little bit. 1134 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: I got you, sir, I got you, and I can 1135 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: respect that I got an opponent somewhere out there that 1136 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: will do. 1137 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,439 Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll find somebody today you can. 1138 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,960 Speaker 1: Yell, but I hope you know where I come from. 1139 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: And my whole heart is like I just want to 1140 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: just be the kindness that I see in the world today. 1141 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 1: So if if I can just steal Jacob's staying right there, 1142 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: that's all we all. 1143 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 2: Can work and being more kind, more empathetic and and 1144 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 2: and more giving of ourselves and our assets to others. 1145 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,600 Speaker 1: It never goes out of style, yes, sever never never. 1146 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 1: So on behalf of retire Lieutenant Colonel Jim Whaley with 1147 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Mission roll Call, a veterans afficacy group where you can 1148 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 1: go and check out all you need to learn about, 1149 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, veterans benefits and reaching out to somebody who 1150 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,800 Speaker 1: can give you an answer. Reach out to Mission roll 1151 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 1: call dot Org. They're not in it for any other 1152 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: reason except for you, the veteran to find your way 1153 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 1: in a sea of un navigatable waters that you're in. Bro. 1154 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 1: If you're out there and you're like, which way do 1155 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 1: I go? Where am I going? Mission roll Call can 1156 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: be your compass, okay, and they can help point you 1157 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 1: in the right direction. So love it. I love it too. 1158 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 1: And if you've got nods, drop them down even better 1159 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: because that looks cool. Come on now, come on now, 1160 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 1: let's see what do I have to mention? 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