1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, welcome in Friday Morning Podcast. Let's 2 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: get right to it. Let's not waste any time. Jordan 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Pool and draft picks to Washington, Chris Paul Wizards to 4 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Golden State. My reaction the draft picks are irrelevant for 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Golden State. Everything is on Steph Curry's timeline. That's also 6 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: why they got rid of Jordan Pool. I was told 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: after the Draymond Green punched to Jordan Pool that it 8 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: was a culmination of many things. Jordan Pool trash talking 9 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Clay trash talking Steph Curry, trash talking Draymond Green, and 10 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: inevitably that chemistry and that was never healed. There's video 11 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: of the Warriors during the playoffs, Jordan Poole walking past 12 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: and pushing Draymond Green. I'm not in any way saying 13 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a right to be bitter and that 14 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: relationship was never going to be close. But the truth 15 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: is it didn't get progressively better. And go ahead and 16 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: blame Draymond. Draymond's more important to the team. We see 17 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: it all the time in sports. Two guys battle on 18 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: a team, you get rid of the less talented or 19 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: less crucial player. Draymond Green opted out because he can, 20 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: and the Warriors are going to pay him more to 21 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: come back. He is their best defender. He is often 22 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: their best rebounder, best screener, one of the best passers, catalyst, 23 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: heart and soul of the team. Curry is the shooter 24 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: and score. Heart and soul of it remains Draymond. They're 25 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: not the same team when he's off the floor. Jordan 26 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Poole comes off the bench and Canada offense. But this 27 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: is on Steph's timeline and Pool is seen as just 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: too immature now and going forward. Now, you say, well, 29 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: they didn't get much for him, So let's talk about 30 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: what you get for Jordan Poole. What's his market? What 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: the Warriors are telling you is when Steph Curry misses games, 32 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: or when Steph Curry is on the bench, or when 33 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Steph Curry takes a rest during the playoffs, then don't 34 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: trust Jordan Poole, who did not have a very big 35 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: trade market. It wasn't like a lot of people were 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: calling the Warriors asking about Jordan Poole, an expensive, albeit 37 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: talented guard with immaturity issues. You look around the league 38 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: right now, Zion Williamson's immaturity, Jah Morant's immaturity. Jordan Poole 39 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: is a less talented version of those two. He didn't 40 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: have much of a market. So what the Warriors were 41 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: seeking is when Steph is out missing, taking a breather, 42 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: big playoff moment, Chris Paul's the grown up who can 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: fill in and leave the offense. I also believe it 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: tells you something else because everything goes through Steph Curry. 45 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: They gave him heads up on this trade. He was 46 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: fine with it. Does it tell you that Chris Paul 47 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: believes he is going to have opportunities to start and 48 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: play alongside Steph Curry because of Curry's capacity to shoot 49 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: an ability and because he's known as one of the 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: great movers without the basketball, Steph Curry can slide over 51 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: to the number two. Now it would be a small backcourt, 52 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Chris Paul the point, Curry off ball, but Steph Curry 53 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: is great off ball. And what this would allow move 54 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: off Klay Thompson. Just a thought, is this the first 55 00:03:54,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: of other moves? Because yes, Chris Paul, Klay Thompson, Steph Curry. 56 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: But then there's Gary Payton and Moses Moody again, five 57 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: guards that need time. You know, you start, you start 58 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: looking at Golden State, and my takeaway is the signal 59 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: I get is they're re signing Draymond Green. They're not 60 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: relinquishing Looney or Wiggins. Steph Curry is the face of 61 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: the franchise. Is this a preemptive move to get Curry 62 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: to play some two guard and move off Klay Thompson 63 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: feels like it to me. The idea that Chris Paul 64 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: is he's just simply too old again. You're not asking 65 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: him to play big games or big minutes. What you're 66 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: crossing your fingers on is availability in important minutes, vital 67 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: minutes late in the season. That's what you're That's what 68 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: you're making this move for, all right. I think Chris 69 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: Paul comes into this situation eager, willing to restructure his 70 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: willing to come off the bench, willing to be the 71 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: lead and let Steph play off the ball. I think 72 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: a lot of this works because the Warriors called Chris 73 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: Paul he's a high Q player, and said, listen, we'd 74 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: like to bring into a winning culture. We're going to 75 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: ask for some sacrifices. And I think Chris Paul, at 76 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: this stage in his career, looked at the Clippers really 77 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: old Kawhi and Paul George never available, Lakers really old 78 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis not often available. And then he looked at 79 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: the Warriors and thought Steph Draymond Wiggins, Looney, these guys 80 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: want a title a year ago. So I think discussions 81 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: were had between the Warriors and Chris Paul, Chris Paul, 82 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: his agent, Chris Paul, Steve Kerr, Mike Dunlavy Junior. I 83 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: think Chris is going to Golden State with the idea 84 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: of being part of a championship team. He knows where 85 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: he's at at this point in his career, and it 86 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: is interesting. Porzingis to the Celtics is viewed as a 87 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: big gain by Boston, yet Boston doesn't have a title. 88 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Porzingis gets hurt a lot. They still don't have a 89 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: facilitator at point guard, and Jalen Brown and Tatum are 90 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: still sort of clunky at the end of possessions, end 91 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: of games. Yet that's perceived as a win the often 92 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: injured Porzingis, who is a time struggle to play with others. 93 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: Marcus Smart to the Grizzlies, that is a win. They 94 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: let go of Tias Jones, a significantly more dynamic offensive 95 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: player for old Marcus Smart that's viewed as a win. 96 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Tias Joanes to the Wizards, that's scene as a bit 97 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: of a steal. He is a really, really talented young player. 98 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Why is there so much cynicism with winning point guard 99 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Chris Paul going to a championship culture with Wiggins, Draymond, 100 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: Steph Steve Kerr. I think a lot of it is 101 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of a belief that this great dynasty has ended 102 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: and now it's just going off a cliff. But weren't 103 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: these same people excited for Chris Paul to the Lakers 104 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: and Chris Paul to the Clippers. Kawhi and Paul George 105 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: are never available. Lebron's given you now fifty eight games 106 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: a year and Anthony Davis has given you sixty. Why 107 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: are people excited in Los Angeles for Chris Paul to 108 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: the Lakers? That would take the ball out of the 109 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: hands of Austin Reeves who's not a natural to guard 110 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and Lebron who just came off as we're shooting here 111 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: and doesn't play off the ball well. But they don't 112 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: think it works in Golden State, folks. Basically, Chris Paul's 113 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: a high IQ veteran player that will spell Steph Curry 114 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: high IQ veteran player and allow Steph to occasionally playoff ball. 115 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't see the miss here. You can't be excited 116 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: about Chris Paul to the Clippers and the Lakers, and 117 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: then I think it's a fatal mistake. Chris Paul the Warriors. 118 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: He's going to have better, more reliable teammates with the Warriors, 119 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: better culture with the Warriors, better teammates Steph Curry with 120 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: the Warriors. I think it works all right. Second thought, 121 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: Victor wembin Yama going number one San Antonio Spurs from France. 122 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: Over the course of my life, I have seen basketball pivot, 123 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: professional basketball pivot several times. So when I grew up, 124 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: it was Wilt Chamberlain. You know, the big centers, Bob Lanier, 125 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: Nate Thurmond. You really had to have a dominant big 126 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: to be a championship contender. It all started with Bill 127 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: Russell back in the sixties, and then the emergence of 128 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: skill and the dynamic athlete, the Michael Jordan's, the Kobe Bryants. 129 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: That wing players were now more marketable, more explosive, more talented, 130 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: and they could lead you to championships, and then, of 131 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: course we have seen the emergence of small ball, where 132 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: centers back to the basket. Centers have been completely marginalized. 133 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: Small ball warriors play small, play fast, hit threes. I 134 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: do think the league is pivoting again, and a lot 135 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: of it is the European influence of seven foot plus 136 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: athletes from Europe who are highly skilled. Victor Webbin Yama 137 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: seven to three, dribble, got the bag, shoot threes, Jokic 138 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: point center, Yannis dominant player both ends of the floor, 139 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to change the league that 140 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: I feel over the next four to five years, maybe longer, 141 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: that Yannis and Jokic will go back and forth like 142 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: Bird and Magic did as best player, most influential player 143 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: in the NBA. Now, Victor Wembin Yama in about three 144 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: to four years may surpass both may But I like 145 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: the emergence of gifted, big European centers. And there's two reasons. One, 146 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: I think the constant barrage of three point shots can 147 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: be boring. It's not terribly layered. I miss big men 148 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: I grew up. You know, we all love what we 149 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: love at nine years old. In sports, teams, players cultures 150 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: I miss in baseball. You know, home runs and strikeouts 151 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: don't do a thing for me. I miss the extra base, 152 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: I miss stolen bases. That's what I grew up with 153 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: in baseball. That's why I'll always have a soft spot 154 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: to some degree on running the football in the NFL, 155 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: like I think it matters physicality in the NBA. I 156 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: like centers, I like bigs. I like physicality down low. 157 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: That's the first part of it. The second thing is, 158 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: I think you get a maturity with a European kid 159 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: often over an American kid. American kids feel like it's 160 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: their league. The AAU circuit. I don't think helps team basketball. 161 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it actually helps the individual. Steve Kerr said, 162 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: it fundamentally hurts the growth of a basketball player. The 163 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: American kid grows up with a little bit more entitlement. 164 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: In the NBA. European players come in more mature, they 165 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: play against older players, they come out of the academy 166 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: system like all of us. They feel like visitors to America. 167 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: There's a sense of loyalty, not being concerned with their brand. 168 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: It's about winning basketball, being loyal to Milwaukee, being loyal 169 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: to San Antonio, being loyal to a Denver or a Dallas, 170 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: and I think that's good for the league. I don't 171 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: think mobility is a bad thing. I have defended Lebron 172 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: James and Kevin Durant for years, but I think ideally 173 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: you get players who go to a team and stay 174 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: in that city for fifteen years. Brady new England mahomes 175 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City. I mean, if you look at the NFL, 176 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: Farv and Aaron Rodgers primarily stayed in Green Bay. It's 177 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: okay if you leave at the end of your career. 178 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: But I think that's one of the secret sauces of 179 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: the NFL is that great historic players stay in a 180 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: city for fifteen years. I think it's better serve for 181 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the NBA to stay stars staying in their cities. I mean, 182 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: Shack's career was always amazing to me. I know he 183 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: left and want to title in Miami, but I look 184 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: at Kobe's career as greater than Shak's career, and many 185 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: historians don't because my memories of Kobe are so positive. 186 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Through the Lakers, winning with Gasol, winning with Shack, He's 187 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: a Laker. Shack's career at the end was a hodgepodge 188 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: of weird fits and weird jerseys. It doesn't to me 189 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: feel as formidable as pure as Kobe Bryant's career, though 190 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: many people see Shack as a greater all time player. 191 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: And so I think Jannis and Jokic and win Bin 192 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: Yama and Luca, I think they're going to be with 193 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: their teams for a majority of their career. And I 194 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: think it's good for the league. I can think two things. 195 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: I think. I can think Lebron's mobility was good for Lebron, 196 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: But if you take Lebron out of it, a guy 197 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: who's jumped from team to team to team and one 198 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: and one and one look at Kevin Durant should have 199 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: never left Golden State. He made one jump perhaps Phoenix 200 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: two too many. So we have this perception that the 201 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: league is is too mobile. It's really not. And mobility 202 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: builds great dynasties. Even the Heatls with three Hall of 203 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: Famers d Wade, Lebron Bosh, two titles four years not 204 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: much of a dynasty. So I like the emergence of 205 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: highly skilled, more loyal European players. I like the layering 206 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: of it. I miss centers dominating the game. I think 207 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: they're players that come into this league with a single 208 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: mission to win games and get better, and I like it. 209 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I can't root for Scoot Henderson or 210 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson John Morant to turn it around. It's not 211 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: that I don't enjoy watching those players, but the European 212 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: influence I think is good for the sport. It is 213 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: for my eyes. I loved watching Jokic. That was I 214 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: know it's a lot of garbage points in the eyes 215 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: of younger NBA fans. I thought it was great basketball movement, elevation, shooting, passing, 216 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: everything I love about hoops. Okay, I'm going to now 217 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: let you hear about fifteen minutes of what we did 218 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: live last night. Jason timf Hoops Tonight, myself and the 219 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: two young guys Carson and Logan for Nerd Sessh went 220 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: live ing the NBA Draft. The crew edited about fifteen 221 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: minutes of it. Our thoughts. Listen, the draft only gives 222 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: you about three to four highly impactful players. 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The redeem code is 248 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: co l I N Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed 249 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: at game time. 250 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: Colin, it is great to have you. 251 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: How you doing today, Well, I just watched a three 252 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: minute highlight package that I had not seen before of 253 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: new Victor wembin Yama highlights. It's like a video game. 254 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: His ability and you know, I said today that we 255 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: got Porzingis in the league eight years ago. You know, 256 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: the European seven three can slash com head a jump 257 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: herd it. He doesn't have nearly the skill level Victor Webbinyama. 258 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: He has a cruder offensive game, but there are some 259 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: elements here that we're seeing from European basketball players. They 260 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: play against grown men, become in pretty humble and mature. 261 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: They've got shoot jumpers, you know, Jokic, Jannis Christops, Wenbin Yama, 262 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I watch him. One of the things 263 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: that really jumps out to me is just how a 264 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: fluid it is. It's just a very easy it's not 265 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: it's not a soft game, but it's it's pretty. It's 266 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: a really pretty game. You know, he'll make spin moves 267 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: and you know, have a little shoulder dip to kind 268 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: of kind of drive his position. But he's just so fluid. 269 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: The game is, you know, the game. The great players 270 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: make it look easy. Everything to me, the balls on 271 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: such a string, the way he handles it. He's just 272 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: a very fluid natural basketball player, very comfortable in the perimeter, 273 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: driving transition, you know, and let's sometimes you just need 274 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: guns gifts. I mean, like I watched a couple of 275 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: blocks on the perimeter here on this highlight package. Just 276 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 1: you know, he can when you can be burned and 277 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: block the shot. It's one thing to be burned and 278 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: recovery when you could be burned and block a shot befooled. 279 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: You know, some of that length is just he's just 280 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: a remarkable player. I said the other day, there's only 281 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: ten players since Magic I believe were not only consensus 282 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: number ones and had no red flags. Wemby, Anthony Davis, 283 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: Lebron Duncan, Robinson, the key Magic. I'm missing a couple, 284 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. I think where you know, like Wemby is thin, 285 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: that's not a red flag. That's a developmental issue. Anthony 286 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: Davis was thin in the waist. People thought, you know, 287 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: but if you're watching now he's obviously the back of 288 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: the shoulders. I don't really consider that a red flag. 289 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons was a consensus one, but was aloof didn't 290 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: make the tournament, couldn't shoot. It's hard to find people 291 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: that said he was communicative or a leader. John Wall 292 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: was a consensus one, a lot of turnovers, out of control, 293 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: could not shoot. Those are great players, but I mean 294 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: a no red flag number one. Since Magic, there's I 295 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: think Wenby's the tenth. It's a remarkable rarity in this 296 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: league for all the talent, and I just those three 297 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: minutes of video I had not seen. It's it's just different. 298 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: It's like Lebron's high school stuff. You're right, Okay, that's 299 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: a grown man playing a software junior high school like 300 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't look like other players. 301 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. I mean, he really is one of 302 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: one within the scope of NBA history. The combination of 303 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: you mentioned fluidity and offensive skill in shooting ability, and 304 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: the defensive potential at seven four with an eight foot 305 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: wing span, Like, there's possessions where he's targeted out a 306 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: pick and roll and he is just so incredibly massive 307 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: that you can't offer any resistance. I think It's interesting 308 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: that you came in talking about these sort of international 309 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: flavor to his game and the comparisons to Porzingis and whatnot, 310 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: because this is in some ways an interesting culmination of 311 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: like the global takeover of the NBA that we've seen, 312 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: where the last five MVP awards have all gone now 313 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: to international players, between Embiid, Jolkic, and Jannis, and now 314 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: we have this totally generational prospect who is officially being 315 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 2: selected by the Spurs as we speak. What do you 316 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: think that does for the health of basketball overall? Colin, 317 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: Just this incredible, blooming international group of players. 318 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: Well, Jason and I talked about this. I think it's 319 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: good for the league. I think I'm old schools so 320 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I grew up with Bob Lanier and Kareem. I grew 321 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: up with Biggs, and I miss the layering. I miss centers. 322 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: I grew up with Walton I covered our beatas Sabonis, 323 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: so I like the layering. I'm okay with small ball. 324 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to see the whole league go small. 325 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to see every center mark regionalized. I think, 326 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: first of all, these are European players because they play 327 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: against older players in the European culture where you travel 328 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: within countries on the train system. They speak multiple languages. 329 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: They're I think more mature than our players. They come 330 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: in hungry, humble, and loyal. I think they're likable players. 331 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: They're not always the flashiest or the most dynamic, but 332 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: I think they're mature. They're great players, they're good citizens. 333 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: They have multiple skill sets. They're very layered, and I've 334 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: always thought guys old school. I like size. I like 335 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: size in the league. There's nothing against Morant and Rose 336 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: and Wall. I understand it. They're dynamic. There's room for 337 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: that too, but man, there is watching Jokic. I think 338 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: Jokic and the honest are going to go back and 339 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: forth over the next six years, being the best bird 340 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: Magic best player in the league for about six years, 341 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: maybe five, and then I think victors God take it over. 342 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. And what we're seeing is the evolution of the 343 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: big man to be incredibly skilled, and that's what I 344 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: think the international pool helps us with. It feels like 345 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: every year we see prospects who are just inconceivably skilled 346 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: all around at six ' nine and up. And we've 347 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: got another one of those guys in this class, Jason 348 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: with Brandon Miller, who has been long sort of seen 349 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: as the favorite for the number two pick to Charlotte. 350 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: Now Scoot Henderson has started to really re emerge in 351 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: those conversations. What do you think goes down with this 352 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: number two pick? Well, I have no idea what Charlotte's 353 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: going to do. I know what I would do. 354 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: I would take Brandon Miller, and a lot of it 355 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 3: just has to do with my view on the archetypes 356 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: of players. I think there are five core archetypes of 357 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 3: players in the NBA. There are playmaking forwards, scoring forwards, 358 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: hyper athletic guards, your star centers, and then your unicorns, 359 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: which are guys like you know, Giannis and Steph Curry 360 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: which don't really fit into any of those molds. And 361 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: the hyper athletic is, in my opinion, the least successful 362 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: archetype of star that we've seen in the MP between 363 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: Russ Westbrook, Derrick Rose, John Wall like that specific archetype 364 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 3: of player. They almost always are bad defenders because they're 365 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: relied on in large doses to create offense, and so 366 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: they can serve energy. On that end. When they can 367 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: serve energy, they can be downright destructive to a defense 368 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: because they don't have the length and athleticism with just 369 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: their size and long arms to bother things. Even when 370 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: they're being lazy, they tend to they tend to rely 371 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: on their athleticism too much, so they're very they're not 372 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 3: gym rats. They're not good at polishing up their skill 373 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: set because they have this superpower in their athleticism that 374 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: allows them to beat their peers without having to work 375 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: as hard as many of their peers have had to work. 376 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: And so we've seen that archetype fail miserably time and 377 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: time again. I should fail relative to the other stars 378 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: at the top of the league. And the one guy 379 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: you can point to who really kind of succeeded in 380 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 3: that archetype in recent NBA histories is Dwayne Wade. And 381 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: couple things. He's bigger than all of those guys. He's 382 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: six ' foard, built like a truck, and he was 383 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: an outstanding defensive player, and those two things are what 384 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: allowed him to kind of break that mold. And again 385 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: he's the exception that proves the rule. So to me, 386 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: Brandon Miller, big scoring forward, spitting image of Paul George 387 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: and some of the fluidity and length stuff. The only 388 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: thing I don't love about him is his release is 389 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: a little low down on his head, which in the NBA, 390 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 3: when guys are contesting shots higher release points like Paul George, 391 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: like Brandon Ingram, where they're a little bit more over 392 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: their head, they're better at getting shots off over defenders. 393 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: That that's my one concern right now. But I think 394 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: he's almost guaranteed to be a like Perennial twenty point 395 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 3: a game guy plus for a long time in this league. 396 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: I think that's the best description I've ever heard by 397 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: any analyst on the prototypes of players. That literally is 398 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: well done. Seriously, you have been able to synthesize all 399 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: my feelings for years on the air about Westbrook Wall. 400 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: I always say they're firework shows. They're spectacular, but then 401 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: somebody's got to clean up the firework show. Who's the 402 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: cleanup crew after? With the turnovers, the no defense. But 403 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: they are so alluring aesthetically, Scoot Henderson, that you fall 404 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: in love with them. 405 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: You can't. 406 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: They're just in't They're dynamic. I mean, I'm watching Scoots 407 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: highlight takes, It's like, oh, I already like him. It's 408 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: never never dropped a ball in the league. I'm oria fan. Yeah, 409 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: sh only seven percent from threes, Like many of these 410 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: they're not polished, they can't shoot. He won't be a 411 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: great defender. That's really well put. That is you know 412 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the things. It's it's my son said 413 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: one time, I wish vegetables tastes did it as good 414 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: as chocolate? And I'm like, I know. And that's the 415 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: problem is most of the Tory bat for you, like 416 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: ice cream is fantastic and you could eat the pint. 417 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: Nobody eats a pint of broccoli, and in small doses 418 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: that point guard, when you don't rely on them, can 419 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: be effective. But I mean Isaiah and Steph Curry guys. 420 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: That's rare when you win a championship to a point guard. 421 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: And those guys are spi once. They're two of the 422 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: top fifteen players in history arguably the league. So I'm 423 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: really interested though, as we're going to watch this live, 424 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: it'll be on the podcast. If Portland takes Scoot within 425 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: a minute, Portland's going to go from we're not interested 426 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: in any discussion of a trade to we're taking Colins. 427 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what did you do here? 428 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: It's fascinating. 429 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 4: Sorry, Jason. I think you do make an excellent point. 430 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 4: If you look through the past forty years of basketball guys, 431 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade is the only downhill rim pressuring guard that's 432 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: his first primary skill set that has ascended the mountain 433 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 4: and climbed and won a title. You know, not by himself, 434 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 4: but almost single handedly. Right, he doesn't have the cleanup 435 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: crew that Colins referring to. He's got Antoine Walker in Shaq, 436 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 4: putting up thirteen a night in the NBA finals. US 437 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 4: failed in the playoffs repeatedly as one of the worst 438 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 4: playoff performers in NBA history. Derrick Rose sadly gets injured. 439 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: Jaw has yet to do it too. I think that 440 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 4: is the reason that you take Brandon Miller is not 441 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: only the ceiling too, but I think he immediately helps 442 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 4: the Hornets in their deficiencies. One of the worst defenses 443 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: in the NBA. Steve Clifford wants to reenact get the 444 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 4: Hornets back to being a really physical defense, and they 445 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 4: were twenty ninth in shooting last year. How do you 446 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: maximize LaMelo Ball one of the best young playmakers in basketball. 447 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: You give him an elite spot up shooter that's exactly 448 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 4: what Brandon Miller does immediately, so I think he is 449 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: the right pick. I think he helps him immediately, but 450 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: he also has a massive ceiling where I think he 451 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 4: could be a lead star scoring wing. 452 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: We've gone through back to the basket centers. We've gone 453 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: to dominant wings, Kobe Michael, we got into small ball 454 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: three and d guys. Guys, the league is getting big 455 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: and Europe is part of it. To me, here's a 456 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: long huh, great frame, gonna put even more weight on. 457 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: I look at Brandon Miller and can we argue? And 458 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is right or I'm overreacting 459 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: to recency bias. 460 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: Guys. 461 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: But the Bucks were big, the Laker bubble team was big, 462 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Denver was big. The Raptors with Marc de salsayacam, we're long? 463 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: Are we moving out? A small ball in Europe's a 464 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: big part of this Victor whom Min Yama is another player. 465 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: Is it going back to more of a big league, 466 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: but a highly skilled big league? 467 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: I tend to think that in general, as a society, 468 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: we overreact the exception to the rule. It's like, for instance, 469 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: like if someone said, oh, Denver won the title, and 470 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 3: they were awesome offensively. Does that mean we don't need 471 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: to guard to win. No, that's not what it means. 472 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: You have to be able to guard to win. Like that, 473 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: they were the exception. And the same thing goes with 474 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: that Warriors team. I mean, Steph is literally the only 475 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: player below six five that's in the top twenty all 476 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: time NBA players. So maybe anything that he accomplishes we 477 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: should just throw aside as like a complete outlier, you 478 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And that's the thing, Like, yeah, 479 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: they succeeded playing small ball. They had a six to 480 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: sixth center, they played a six to seven power forward, 481 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: and like that that worked because Andre Gudala is one 482 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: of the best perimeter defenders to ever play the game. 483 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 3: Draymond Green is a defensive anomaly at his position as 484 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: one of the best defenders. 485 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: Of this era. 486 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: And Steph Curry is the best small player in the 487 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 3: history of the NBA. And so yeah, you're right, like, like, 488 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: if you want to win today, you have to go 489 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: with what has been reliably great. The best indicator of 490 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: future performance is past performance, not just one specific thing 491 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: that you cling to. And so another athlete that can 492 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: help crash from the perimeter and grab contested rebounds, like 493 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: that was an underrated part of that that a Denver team. 494 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: It wasn't just Jokis bowling people inside. It's Aaron Gordon 495 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: and Michael Porter Junior jumping over the top of people. 496 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: It's Bruce Brown jumping over the top of people. Perimeter 497 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: size is massively important to the to the Scoot Henderson 498 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: Brandon Miller cup like, that's the thing is like Ran 499 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: and Miller, you know, the worst version of this story, 500 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: as he's Andrew Wickets, Like, that's the worst version of 501 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: this story. And Andrew Wiggins was the second best player 502 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: on a championship team. The Scoop Henderson thing like, it's 503 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: a huge wide range of outcomes. That doesn't mean he 504 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: can't win or break that mold, but if he did, 505 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: he would be the outlier, which, as from the standpoint 506 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: of a front office, means that he's less of a 507 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: safe bet than Brandon Miller, is. 508 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: Right, And it's the multifaceted impact, and that's part of 509 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: the value of this wing archetype over the dynamic downhill 510 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: guard that we all agree on. Logan and I have 511 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: both been believers that Brandon Miller should go second overall 512 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: and he does, and it's beyond just this incredible scoring 513 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: upside right, the flashes of playmaking, the versatile defensive impact. 514 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: He's a better fit in Charlotte as long as they 515 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: believe that LaMelo is a cornerstone piece for them long term. 516 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: But now we do have this decision for Portland, which, 517 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: as Colin mentioned, if they take Scoot, you gotta wonder 518 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: if they are simultaneous sleep putting Dame over the edge 519 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: to where he may actually ask out Logan, We'll go 520 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: to you first, what's your expectation for the direction that 521 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: Portland goes here? And organizationally, if Portland has two brain 522 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: cells to rup together, they'll deal Damian Lillard. I mean, 523 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: I just don't understand going in on this core again. 524 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: I just don't see a title window opening with anything 525 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: that you can do with this pick. I don't see 526 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: any stars available on the market that you can pair 527 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: with Damian Lillard. Importantly, I don't see enough depth pieces 528 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: to get this roster over the top. I believe in 529 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: Damian Lillard. Let me make that clear. I think Damian 530 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: Lillard is still one of the ten best offensive players 531 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: in the NBA. I genuinely believe that. I think he's 532 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: an offensive engine. I think you can win with him 533 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: as your best offensive player, but around him you have 534 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: to have a lot of pieces. I just don't see 535 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: any area, any route for Portland to take this pick, 536 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: to take their current assets and build a contending team 537 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: around Damian Lillard. So I just think you're endlessly chasing 538 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: your tail when the alternative to this option is to 539 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: explore taking Scoot Henderson. 540 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 4: You put him alongside Ant Simon's who I Love. You 541 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 4: put him alongside Shadon Sharp who I Love. You have 542 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 4: a brand new timeline ready to go with all these 543 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 4: young assets that you can build around and chase the 544 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 4: title down the road, not chase your tail next season. 545 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 4: So I think that's what Portland should do with the pick. Colin, 546 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 4: what about you? What do you think Portland should do? 547 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: Move down one spot, take a forward Kim Whitmore, and 548 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: get something for Scoot Henderson. It's not going to happen, 549 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: and I know it, but they've been looking for a 550 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: forward for ten years. 551 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: Listen. 552 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I think I think generally, I'm a believer and get talent, 553 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: figure the fit out later. It is different though, this 554 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: is not the I said this today. This is not 555 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: the Packers taking Jordan Love. That ticked off Aaron Rodgers. Okay, 556 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: that's a prospect that needed years. This is the Packers 557 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: taking Justin Herbert. Bigger, stronger, more dynamic. Aaron Rodgers going 558 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: time out. Wait a minute, I'm not an idiot. 559 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: What's going on 560 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 4: The volume