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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The prosecution says Heine returned

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Ryan Jungren says Cruz looked up and said help me.

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Speaker 1: say never, John Limley, Crime online dot Com and Crime

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Speaker 1: All I've been doing is watching the door win for

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Speaker 1: in Florida. I always called her the girl with a

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Speaker 1: pink hat, Jesse, Jessica, that was her name. And she

429
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: was taken by a sex predator and he was about say,

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Speaker 1: fifty feet catty corner to Jesse's home, and the cops

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00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: even came to the home and she the little girl

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00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: victim had been stashed in the closets, still alive, and

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00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: was later buried alive. I mean, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: cops dropped the ball. But it hurts me to blame

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Speaker 1: the cops. They're not the killers, No, they're not. And

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Speaker 1: you can't you can't predict what these people are going

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00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: to do when they're in these frenzied states like this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we've we've already got great deception on her part where

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Speaker 1: she's portraying this as her as her child. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: and this is this goes to the heart of it. Uh.

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00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're right there there with in there

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Speaker 1: within your sphere. And I think that that's what strikes

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Speaker 1: fear into the hearts of everybody in this town that's

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Speaker 1: surrounding this. This happened in among them, and that's what

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Speaker 1: makes it so horrific. Nancy, I remember now it was

446
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Jessica Lunford and the little girl was held about seriously,

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00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: like fifty feet away. To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist.

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00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: When we the public or family members, like in this

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Speaker 1: case with Savannah Graywin, find out that the person, either

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Speaker 1: alive or debt, is just within a hundred yards of

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Speaker 1: the spot of their disappearance, it's so upsetting and frustrating

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Speaker 1: and it's hard to deal with that, doctor Bober. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, you know, you see these cases

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Speaker 1: where people disappear, and to think that the body has

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Speaker 1: sound so close to the spot of the original disappearance

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00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: is just heartbreaking. You know, it's just a complete loss

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Speaker 1: of control of yourself. This is terrible. And what's so

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Speaker 1: interesting here, well, there's so much interesting is that she

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Speaker 1: actually Brook Crews, he's so called neighbor faking sonograms and

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Speaker 1: pregnancy tests, actually blames the boyfriend and I'm not convinced

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Speaker 1: the boyfriend did not have anything to do with this,

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Speaker 1: But did then say it was his fault because he

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Speaker 1: pressured me and to quote producing a child. She didn't

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Speaker 1: have a free will of her Oh to say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm breaking up. If that's all your I'm

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Speaker 1: not a baby factory. Instead, her her plan was to

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Speaker 1: kill somebody and steal the baby. She needs the death penalty.

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Speaker 1: The kayakers in the river discovered what appeared to be

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Speaker 1: a life or a body sized object wrapped in plastic

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Speaker 1: in the river, hung up on a log. Oh my stars,

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Speaker 1: the heartbreak that family went through when pregnant mom to

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Speaker 1: be Savannah Graywind's body found in the Red River. Now

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Angeline McCall at w

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Speaker 1: DA watch. Two people arrest in connection to Savannah's death

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Speaker 1: and disappearance formally faced charges in courts rates. Savannah's neighbors,

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00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cruz and William Hayne, face charges of conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: commit murder, kidnapping, and giving false information to police. Both

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Speaker 1: initially not guilty as the gray Wins prepared to bury Savannah.

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Speaker 1: On September seventh, Savannah is finally laid to rest, and

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Speaker 1: just five days later, Ashen Matthany, Savannah's boyfriend, finally gets

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Speaker 1: full custody of his daughter. He names her Hazley Joe

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Speaker 1: and named he and Savannah had picked out she's home.

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Speaker 1: You were hearing the father of the little baby ashe Methaney,

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Speaker 1: waiting for this day when he finally gets the baby,

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Speaker 1: the baby that was cut out of his girlfriend's body,

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Speaker 1: Savannah Graywin losing her life. So long, story short to

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Speaker 1: John Linley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John, how

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00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: did police finally figure out it was them? Well, it

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Speaker 1: was evidence once they started tearing that apartment of heart.

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Speaker 1: After three searches, nothing had even been noticed, a miss

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Speaker 1: or any evidence blood wise had been discovered. But once

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Speaker 1: they found that baby in the possession of the couple,

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Speaker 1: that is when investigators went in and didn't leave any

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Speaker 1: stud unremoved from the wall. So to you, Justice Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: death investigator and author, How after there's been a cleanup

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Speaker 1: in a home, how do you find clues of a murder?

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Speaker 1: The fact that these people say that they seriously cleaned

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Speaker 1: it up is still not going to thwart their efforts

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Speaker 1: of the police, the investigators. There are still evidence to

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Speaker 1: be found. Even with the unaided eye. We can use

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Speaker 1: things to illuminate the blood, like gluminol to make it

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Speaker 1: come forth where they have attempted to clean it up.

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Speaker 1: I've even been on scenes Nancy where you can actually

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Speaker 1: see where the blood has been wiped away by an

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Speaker 1: individual in an attempt. You apply a luminol to that

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Speaker 1: area and you can actually see the white on the

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Speaker 1: floor where they've attempted to clean it up. So the

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Speaker 1: blood is the big tail here those things that are

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Speaker 1: left behind, and also also what's going to be key

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Speaker 1: is could they determine an instrumentality of death such as

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Speaker 1: a noose that may have been used to affect the

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Speaker 1: strangulation and also what type of instrument was used to

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Speaker 1: open this poor woman up. Luminol is a chemical and

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Speaker 1: it shows an illuminescence. That's where you get the name illuminole.

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: Illuminate a blue type of a glow. And when you

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Speaker 1: spray luminol across an area, trace amounts of a so

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Speaker 1: called activating oxidant make the luminole blue like a blue light,

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00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: like those glow sticks. That's what it looks like. Now,

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00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: the glow will only last about thirty seconds, but you

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00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: can document it with photos, you can reapply it. It's

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00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: got to be applied evenly to avoid confusing results. Blood

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Speaker 1: traces appear more concentrated in some areas that receive more spray,

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Speaker 1: so it has to be very evenly done. If it

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Speaker 1: glows more intensely in one spot, that does not indicate

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Speaker 1: the amount of blood, but really only how much luminol

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Speaker 1: you've sprayed there. So it takes a real expert to

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Speaker 1: use luminol. Joseph Scott Morgan. How is it done? How

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00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: is it sprayed onto the surface. Well, most of the time, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it comes prepackaged. Now, luminol. A lot of people, you know,

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00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: just think about luminol and they think, oh, well, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of a benign substance. Actually it's not a

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Speaker 1: real stable substance that can be dangerous. They are people

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00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: that have put theirselfs in danger mixing the stuff up.

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Speaker 1: So now it kind of comes pre packaged, but it's

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Speaker 1: applied through a pump spray over a significant area and

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Speaker 1: you want to try to cover you're absolutely right when

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00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: you say you have to be an expert at this.

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00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Not only do you have to be an expert at

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00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: applying the luminole, you have to be an expert with

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00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: alternative lighting sources as well as photography. So this is

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00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: not just like a single person operation. There has to

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Speaker 1: be several hands on deck in order to facilitate capturing

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00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: this thing, because it is a moment in Tom that

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00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: you have to snap at that moment in Tom and

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00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: get those images. And BOYD does it demonstrate well in

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Speaker 1: court when you apply that oh you know it to

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Speaker 1: John Lemley, Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter. What do we

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00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: know if anything about a murder weapon? It's from Crewe's

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00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: own testimony. With Savannah lying on the floor, Crews testified

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Speaker 1: that she grabbed a small razorblade, either a carpenter's knife

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00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: or a boxcutter from the kitchen and sliced open Savannah's abdomen,

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Speaker 1: taking the baby out of the wound as Savannah was

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00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: drifting in and out of consciousness. And this matches up

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00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: with what investigators discovered when the body was taken in

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Speaker 1: or autopsy. There was a crude c section with a

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00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: cut from hip to hip where the baby had been

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00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: taken out. I guarantee you if you look at her

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Speaker 1: computer search as you'll find how to do a C section.

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00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the so called neighbor brook Cruise listen.

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Speaker 1: In February second, twenty eighteen, crews learned she will die

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Speaker 1: in prison for killing Savannah. She is sentenced to life

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Speaker 1: without parole. So I wish I haven't done us. There

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00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: is an old excuse and as hazy Chail was being

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00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: born on August nineteen, twenty seventeen, she was taking her

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00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: first bets as her taking her last. As brook Cruise

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Speaker 1: knows her fate, William Haye maintains his innocence. You're hearing

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00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: our friend Angelie McCall at w day, brook Lynn Cruise

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00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: pleads guilty to three charges gets life without parole. I

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Speaker 1: guess she did. I mean, at one moment, you don't

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Speaker 1: have a baby and you're faking a sonogram. In the

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00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: next moment, you have a baby. At first, they tried

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00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: some cockamamie story that Savannah Graywyn had given them the

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Speaker 1: baby and wanted them to take care of it. That

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00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: was all b as. And you may be wondering about

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00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: the boyfriend that claims he had nothing to do with it.

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00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Listen either jury Juliam Handel had sworn in the above

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Speaker 1: entitled action do find the defendant, William Henry Hane not

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00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: guilty of a cry of conspiracy tin it murder. Cass

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Speaker 1: County Assistant State's Attorney Lah vest says she's disappointed with

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Speaker 1: the verdict, but she also wasn't shocked by it. Vesty says,

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00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: over the years, she's learned not to guess what goes

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Speaker 1: on in the jury room because you never know what

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00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: they'll decide. The greatest disappointment for me in this case,

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Speaker 1: and I would assume for the family, is that this young,

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00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: beautiful man no longer exists, and the people who did

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Speaker 1: this to her, although one is serving a life sentence

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00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: and one has pled guilty to some other things, how

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00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: do you ever vindicate that? How do you ever make

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00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: right something that's that's that wrong. There's just simply no way.

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Speaker 1: You're here From k r RTV NIS Fargo reporter Danielle

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Speaker 1: church A not guilty in conspiracy to commit murder for

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Speaker 1: the boyfriend who, according to multiple sources, strangled Savannah Graywin

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Speaker 1: as she was dying in that bathroom. Tightened the noose

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Speaker 1: around her neck. But that's not the end of the

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Speaker 1: story for him, is it, John Limley, No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Before the trial. Incidentally, William Hayne had pleaded guilty to

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Speaker 1: a felony charge of conspiring to commit kidnapping and a

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00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: misdemeanor charge of lying to police in connection with Savannah's death.

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Speaker 1: Sentencing is supposed to be set within sixty days of

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Speaker 1: this trial. I hope he gets the max and then

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Speaker 1: rotson hell. Take a listen to news reporters Sarah rud

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Speaker 1: Lane talking with Hasley Joe's dad from w da YE.

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Speaker 1: Many parents say there's a special, indescribable moment when a

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Speaker 1: parents sees their held for the very first time. Ashion

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00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: tells me today he called all those emotions and more.

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00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: He was able to visit Hasley Joe for the first

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00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: time yesterday and again today in the hospital and after

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Speaker 1: living in hell for almost two weeks. Ashton described seeing

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Speaker 1: her as the best healing ever. Seeing her was overwhelming,

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00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: not not bad. It was overwhelming. It was all it was.

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Speaker 1: How did I say, overwhelmed with happiness? She don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's been a dark, dark times, but she lit my

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Speaker 1: world right up. Nancy Grace crime story so you know,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,