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Speaker 2: Hello esteemed listeners, and welcome to Stradio Lab. We are

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Speaker 2: so thrilled and honored that you are spending your let's

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Speaker 2: say Wednesday at three pm listening to us.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're driving in your car to your next appointment

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Speaker 2: Stye, recovering from your former appointment.

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Speaker 1: Recovering from your former appointment, walking around the house fully

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Speaker 2: If that is you, And we know you want to

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Speaker 2: through the pain, through the tears, through the crying, and

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Speaker 1: Just focus on our voice. Focus on our voice, and

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Speaker 1: not on the physical pain you feel from the scalding

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Speaker 2: just so you're clear, what happened to one of your

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, not cooking tips. Well, if you can

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Speaker 2: hear our voices, yeah, we sound weird today. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: by weird we mean better, better, more calm, more professional.

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Speaker 1: And it's because we're back in Hell's kitchen letting.

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Speaker 2: The spirit run through us. And yeah, you know, whenever

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Speaker 1: Strange well, especially because we're in Hell's Kitchen, which is

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Speaker 1: I sort of want to know, like, how much does

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we can do that. So George, Yeah, when

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Speaker 2: So you've talked to other interviews about your mother trying

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Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe we should invite our guests in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for Valentine. If you want to give your child

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Speaker 3: I'm great? This was this was the highlight of my day.

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Speaker 1: So that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. So George, you're right now. Do you want

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Speaker 3: No, I'm an open book. You can't ask me anything

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Speaker 3: me this, I've become completely incog my brain.

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Speaker 2: But I actually love that.

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Speaker 1: And actually that is a better reason to have a

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Speaker 1: forbidden question than something you actually don't want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Because I agree with you is that the topics people

442
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Speaker 1: are most interesting interested in often are the ones that

443
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Speaker 1: have the most nuanced and therefore the ones you don't

444
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Speaker 1: want to talk about in like a live podcast format.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's very save it for the book, Save it

446
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Speaker 2: for the book exactly.

447
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Speaker 1: I Have you ever done something sort of interview based

448
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Speaker 1: and then asked them not to release it?

449
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Speaker 2: No? I have really. Wow.

450
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: I did Greta Titleman's previous podcast. It was called The

451
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: Worst I Believe, where you talked about like the worst

452
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: moment of your life or like a bad moment of

453
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Speaker 1: your life or something, and I talked about like the

454
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Speaker 1: nitty gritty details of a breakup. And I got home

455
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Speaker 1: and I was like, what was that?

456
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Speaker 2: Like?

457
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Speaker 1: In what world did I think I would then feel

458
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Speaker 1: comfortable with that being like in the Apple podcast app

459
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Speaker 1: for Life? And I texted Greta. I was like, I'm

460
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Speaker 1: so sorry, like, absolutely don't release that. Wow?

461
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Speaker 2: Was she okay with it? Yeah?

462
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Speaker 1: I mean listen, maybe behind my back she was dming,

463
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, texting every other member of the Brooklyn comedy

464
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Speaker 1: scene and was like, this dumb fag, George doesn't want

465
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Speaker 1: me to release this episode. But no, she was incredibly

466
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Speaker 1: nice about it. And I think it's like, you know,

467
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Speaker 1: and thank god she was, and thank God, because now

468
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Speaker 1: I seld it as a book.

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Speaker 2: Yay. Do you guys want to know my forbidden question? Yes? Yeah,

470
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: it's where were you on January sixth, twenty twenty. Wow?

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Speaker 1: And with that, should we do our first segment?

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Speaker 2: Yes we should, okay, Sabrina. Our first segment is called

473
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Speaker 2: Trade Shooters, and in it we ask you a series

474
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Speaker 2: of rapid fire questions to gage your familiarity with in

475
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Speaker 2: complicity and straight culture, especially this thing or this other thing.

476
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: And the only rule is you can't ask any follow

477
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Speaker 2: up questions.

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Speaker 1: Great, great, okay, Sabrina. Gentleman's Quarterly or Lady Marmaalide, Lady.

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Speaker 2: Marmalalide, drag him okay, Hulk Cogan or Cat Cohen.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my god, Cohen, that is an incredible question. Okay,

481
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Speaker 1: Madam X or mister Magoo, mister Magoo.

482
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Speaker 2: Okay, your chosen family or your chosen financial plan at

483
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Speaker 2: Morgan Stanley.

484
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: Anything but chosen family, okay, Sabrina. A gendered happy meal

485
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Speaker 1: toy or a rendered image of what New York would

486
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: look like with more inclusive urban design.

487
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 3: Chosen happy meals, so I can say it.

488
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: Okay, lost air pods or the Last Airbender.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh, Last Airbender.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Friday the thirteenth, Sunday, Bloody Sunday or Wednesday now

491
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Speaker 1: streaming on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Wednesday streaming on Netflix.

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00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: Okay, Puss in boots or Venus in furs?

494
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Speaker 3: Huh, Venus and furs?

495
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: Why not?

496
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Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy that there's a children's character named

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Speaker 1: Puss and Boots. I know, I know there's a sort

498
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Speaker 1: of way in which which this is a sort of

499
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: horseshoe theory of gay culture and children's culture, where it's

500
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Speaker 1: sort of like Puss in Boots could either be like

501
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: a really inappropriate drag queen, or it could be a

502
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: cat wearing boots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank god it's the ladder.

504
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: And thank god it's the ladder. Otherwise I would have

505
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Speaker 1: to vote republic.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I just want to say I think you

507
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Speaker 2: did incredible. I think I'm gonna say nine hundred doves.

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Speaker 1: We rate each guest on a scale of zero to

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Speaker 1: one thousand doves, and I agree it was a nine

510
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Speaker 1: hundred doves performance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a cool confidence there.

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Speaker 3: Nine hundred doves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When where did I lose the other one hundred doves?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, do you want to hear the critique

516
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: or yes, yes, Sam, you can go for Okay, First

517
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Speaker 2: of all, you had sort of a knowing confidence and

518
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Speaker 2: we really loved that about your performance, But there was

519
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: sort of a dismissiveness to the questions that we just

520
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: worked so so hard on and yeah, so I felt

521
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Speaker 2: like that was sort of where we docked some doves.

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Speaker 3: Well, that wasn't the tone I was trying to strike.

523
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Speaker 3: I was really trying. I mean, I really respect you

524
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Speaker 3: to you know. I I even listened to a couple

525
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Speaker 3: of episodes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Sabrina.

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Speaker 1: It's like, we gave you nine hundred doves, which is

528
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Speaker 1: a very good score on you know, there's no denying it.

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Speaker 3: There's not a perfect score. It's not sorry sorry, but.

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Speaker 1: You know, to focus on the negative like this and

531
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Speaker 1: and suddenly make us justify our score that we selected

532
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Speaker 1: completely arbitrarily on our podcast.

533
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Speaker 3: This is why you're never gonna slay. How do you

534
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Speaker 3: think I've gotten this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you know. I do think there's

536
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Speaker 2: something about being complacent, and I think a lot of

537
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: times sometimes I'll be like, oh, it's good. You know

538
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: how people are like practice gratitude, be happy for what

539
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: you have, Like what if that's wrong. Like sometimes I'm like, oh,

540
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: I love my like little Bushwick apartment and I love

541
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Speaker 2: my like simple life.

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Speaker 1: No, it's like you, Tom, you have to leave that

543
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Speaker 1: apartment asam.

544
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Speaker 2: I need to like go into like major debts that

545
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Speaker 2: I have to work really really hard to get out

546
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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to say one thing about your performance, Sabrina,

548
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Speaker 1: is that the fact that you I'm now realizing the

549
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Speaker 1: fact that you challenge the nine hundred doves sort of

550
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: makes it a thousand doves. That's true because I think

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Speaker 1: the fact that you knew not to challenge us when

552
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: we told you not to ask questions, but then as

553
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: soon as that part of it was over, you immediately

554
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: were like, well, I want I want to see the paperwork.

555
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I want to see the receipts. Why didn't I get

556
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Speaker 1: a thousand? And then we honestly didn't have a good

557
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: enough answer for you. So the fact that you exposed

558
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: us for the frauds we are means that you are

559
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Speaker 1: winning a Pulitzer Prize in journalism and the prize is

560
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Speaker 1: a thousand doves.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is like, this is actually a really important

562
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: lesson all the children who are listening.

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Speaker 2: No, It's true.

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Speaker 3: In high school, I used to, you know, just like

565
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: be really negative on myself every time I you know,

566
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Speaker 3: got like a nine out of ten on a you

567
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I'd be like, but then there

568
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: were always a bunch of kids that would go back

569
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Speaker 3: to the teacher and be scary, just like the way

570
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 3: I was too, really scary, and then the next thing,

571
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: you know, they have a four point three.

572
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: GPA messed up.

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Speaker 1: It's really like, honestly, one of the most important lessons

574
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Speaker 1: in life is to know when to challenge authority and

575
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: when to sneakily not challenge authority so you can build

576
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: up more challenging power later on. If you had sort

577
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: of responded to each one of our straight shooters with

578
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: like fuck off, then at the end, at the end,

579
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Speaker 1: you would have no more leeweight like, we would have

580
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: no more patience for your challenging and you would have

581
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: no leeway to challenge your score, which would at that

582
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Speaker 1: point be like sort of a hundred and.

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Speaker 3: It's your Every time you asked to be a question,

584
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: my brain was like.

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Speaker 1: Not now, yeah exactly, because you were like, what if

586
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: later I will need to challenge right.

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00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, I mean to be honest, if you had

588
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: responded to every single one yelling at us fuck off,

589
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: I would have to stand. Unfortunately, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's really tough because we are, on the

591
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: one hand, authority figures. On the other hand, we ourselves

592
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: are kind of Kim Gordon, So it is difficult when

593
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: we respect the challenging of authority. So it's always like

594
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: my challenging authority, you're in fact pandering to us.

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00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: I do think we create a toxic environment by like

596
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: we reward people being bad. Yeah, and we actually need

597
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: to reward people who are being good.

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00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in it?

600
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: I'm so good.

601
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you would do well as an

602
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Speaker 1: authority figure?

603
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: No, I actually like actively like avoid positions of authority.

604
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: Like and you've been asked, oh all the time?

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00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: No, well not later in life, because i've But but

606
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Speaker 3: I think like when I was like in high school

607
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: and college, I was especially high school, I was always like,

608
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: let me be captain of the team. But I was

609
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: dropping yeah, like I was dropping balls left and like

610
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: not like bas like yeah, like you know, like metaphors

611
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: the team dinners, like you know, if there if I

612
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: didn't have like if there wasn't so much like you know,

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Speaker 3: you need to so I thought it sound like such

614
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Speaker 3: an ass.

615
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Speaker 2: You do not sound like any but there's like a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of pressure, like everyone should be a leader, everyone should

617
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Speaker 3: be a leader. You got it in your head and

618
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Speaker 3: you're like, okay, like I don't think I should be

619
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Speaker 3: a leader, but I'll do it because that feels like

620
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: who I'm supposed to evolve to. But leader in life,

621
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Speaker 3: I've been like, yeah, I just fail everyone around me

622
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: every time I do it.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is such a rich topic, and I

625
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: honestly think like leadership could be a straight topic on

626
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: the podcast. But yeah, it's almost like what replaced religion

627
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: when society became secular.

628
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Speaker 2: It's this obsession with leadership. It's like if Jesus is dead,

629
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Speaker 2: someone else has to step up. I mean leadership also

630
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: in business goes so hand in hand.

631
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Speaker 1: But yeah, but also when you were a teen, did

632
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Speaker 1: you have sort of like leadership camp or like leadership

633
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: man one right, Yes, I remember seeing those. It's like

634
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Speaker 1: the best thing you could be told at twelve years

635
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: old is that you're a leader, not what are you leading?

636
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: What if you're leading like QAnon? What if you're literally

637
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: leading the charge for the insurrection. I mean I bet

638
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot of them were twelve year old leaders. Yeah,

639
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: well yes, I mean certainly cerebrally. It's just like it's

640
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: very it's crazy that the fetishizing leadership. I mean it's

641
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: the same as fetishizing like business success, where it's like, well, okay,

642
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: a at what cost be to one end? Yeah, those

643
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: are the forbidden questions and our society.

644
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, it's very like okay, but leading what like yeah,

645
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: it don't want to will lead anything.

646
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Speaker 3: You'll have the like they did sort of within the

647
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Speaker 3: framework of leadership off or something for the pose who

648
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: were not leaders, and it was you know, what's even

649
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: more powerful than being a leader being the first follower.

650
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: That was like wow, did they say that?

651
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a big thing. It was like and

652
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: they even have this like viral video. I'm butchering this,

653
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: but in my head it exists as there's a bunch

654
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Speaker 3: of sheep.

655
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Speaker 4: And like one sheep goes this way, right, and but

656
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: it takes it's the second sheep for then the rest

657
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: of the sheep to you know what I mean, Like anymo,

658
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Speaker 4: that's the idea was like anyone.

659
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: Can be a leader, but to discern, you know who

660
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: there follow that fascinating At least that was like sort

661
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: of the sort of you could I think that kids were.

662
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: First sheep is taste maker.

663
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: First sheep is taste making? Wow? Is it okay? Now?

664
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that.

665
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Am I against the first? Am I against the tastemaker sheep?

666
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: Like?

667
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: Do I think that's a sort of toxic framework? Or

668
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: do I actually love that?

669
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Because if the tastemaker sheep is queer coded in fashion,

670
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: do you think like the leader, the leader is straight,

671
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: The leader is Barack Obama, but the tastemaker sheep is

672
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: you know, will I am writing the Obama song?

673
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: No?

674
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: I think I mean, unfortunately I idolize the tastemaker sheep.

675
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: I I you know, I remember following the tastemakers sheep

676
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: on Twitter in like twenty twelve and just being so

677
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: influenced by tastemaker sheep and you're sorry. So I feel

678
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: very like I just hope to someone that I am

679
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: the tastemaker's sheep.

680
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: I know, to be the tastemaker sheep actually is such

681
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: a powerful position in culture. I'm not realizing and talk

682
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: about like to go back to the conversation about slang.

683
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: It's like, at some point the tastemaker's sheep loses their

684
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: taste making abilities, like they either get too old to

685
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: be in touch with the culture and not. I I'm

686
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: not saying that in an ageous way, but just to

687
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: sort of like they get out of touch. Let's say, yeah,

688
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: they snap and become reactionary, or they misunderstand their own

689
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: position and think they're a leader rather than a taste

690
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: maker sheep, and so they start making like merch and

691
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you just run an Instagram account that

692
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: curates tiktoks.

693
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: And so okay, yeah, that's where the taste maker's sheep

694
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: starts falling off. For me, the instagram accounts that just

695
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: curate TikTok and I think.

696
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: That the framework would then say, you know, well those

697
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: are the third, fourth, and fifth followers. Those are not.

698
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Or so an instagram So an instagram that creates tiktoks

699
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: can never be the tastemaker sheep. That's sort of fourth, fifth, six,

700
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't.

701
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: Right, because yeah, you're right, that's already viral.

702
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that is very that's really true. So there's

703
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 2: literally like the one million sheep.

704
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so so it goes leader, tastemaker, curator.

705
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: The more we're talking, I'm sure this video wasn't of

706
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: sheep and I, but.

707
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: The way the way it has been cannon now for

708
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: it might as well be years.

709
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: No, like the merchant is being made.

710
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: The idea that you think there was any going back

711
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: from this is laughable.

712
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm actually seeing all the sheep, and honestly, I'm

713
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: realizing that it's kind of a danger because we're going

714
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: to be having our listeners counting sheep in their head

715
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: and they're.

716
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: Going to be falling asleep and it's you know, it's

717
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: like leader, taste maker, curator, leader taste maker curators.

718
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: You're having the sheep. They're like, okay, so there's seventeen

719
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: sheep in the creative world.

720
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but not to go back to children's books.

721
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: This is a genius idea for a children's book, and

722
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: it actually like so perfectly describes our contempt ray society

723
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: like to have. It's like the three sheep. One is

724
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: a leader, when is a tastemaker, one is a curator?

725
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Which one do you want to be? And each person

726
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: has it's the three personality types.

727
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is going to end up in

728
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: like it's going to be a company personality. Yeah, it

729
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: already feels very Myers Briggs.

730
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

731
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

732
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

733
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: Do you respond well to things like that where it's

734
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: like there are three types of people, there's four types

735
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: of people out there, Like is that something that compels you?

736
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: It's something that like all right, honestly, like if I

737
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: take it, if I take a little bit about all

738
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: I will be doing that for twelve hours taking sure,

739
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: But it's not like I'm I'm sort of always like,

740
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: oh no, I'm glitching out again. Maybe this is a

741
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: forbidding question. I'm like, uh uh uh. It's just sort

742
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: of like you know, I can never talk about feeling

743
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: like I mean, there's some true then it's also totally

744
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: like fake and this that you're you're telling a machine,

745
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: right and then it's spitting back exactly what you've just

746
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: told it and reducing what you just said.

747
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: But even like not a test, but sort of a

748
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: framework that is your like the idea of introvert versus

749
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: introvert where it's like you get your energy from being

750
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: around people, where you get your dreaming alone, or the

751
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: idea or even like astrology, like you know, is it

752
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: like a comforting thing to put yourself in a box.

753
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: I have the most embarrassing tale, okay regarding this, which is,

754
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: you know this podcast. Like I said, it's edgy, it's

755
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: punk rock, it's nineteen seventy TVGB Debbie Harry and I

756
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: we've always mocked sort of people that really lean into

757
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: the introvert extrovert thing, and it's sort of been like, yeah,

758
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: we get it. But recently I was around people for

759
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: a long time and I physically got sleepy in a

760
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: way that was like, like I think I'm I think

761
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: I'm an introvert.

762
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I've always sort of thought you were an introvert.

763
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: And this is shocking to me because I was like, no,

764
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't believe in it like everyone's everything. Yeah,

765
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, oh no, I believe in it

766
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: so hard and I actually think I know where I fall.

767
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to know what was a game changer

768
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: for me?

769
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: Oh?

770
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, I'm just actually don't brave. I'm feeling

771
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: like your first follower through this that I actually also

772
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: recently really started to identify as like an introvert. Really

773
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: needed it to like not feel like crazy, and especially

774
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: like in comedy, there's totally way, way too much, like

775
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: there's way too many social dynamics and like something about

776
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 3: being like, oh, I really like just who I am.

777
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: My natural baseline is not the same as these other people.

778
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: And it's just like it's nice you don't like beat

779
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: yourself up about like totally whatever.

780
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: No, I think that's true. Vulnerable moment.

781
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: Wow, cringe a little bit.

782
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay.

783
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: I recently had a moment of deep connection to something.

784
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I a categorization schema that I read. Oh and this

785
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: is in the book Pure Color by Shilahad And it

786
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: sort of starts out in it it's almost like you're

787
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: reading a biblical fairy tale or something in the beginning,

788
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: and it identifies three types of people bears, birds, and fish.

789
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: The birds see the world from a remove and they're

790
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: sort of like the cultural critics of the world. They're

791
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: like not making you know, intimate personal connections, but sort

792
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: of seeing the world that are removed and making grand

793
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: esthetic and you know, artistic judgments. Then there are the fish,

794
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: which are sort of like they care about social justice.

795
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: They care about everyone equally, and they care about equality

796
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: and things like that. And then there are the bears

797
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: who would develop personal connections and they sort of can

798
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: care deeply about like one to four people, like they

799
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: develop like intimate connections.

800
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 2: Hmm.

801
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is actually a better framework

802
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: than a lot of the things out there. Would you

803
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: say you're a fish, bear or bird?

804
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm still mulling it over the

805
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: well we can check in at the end of the episode.

806
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: You don't think that, like, wait, which one's the one

807
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 3: that has no close friends?

808
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: So which one's a loser?

809
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: But Bird is like imagine like too many friends, Susan Sontag,

810
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: She's like out of remove, She's like judging society almost

811
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: like from outside of it.

812
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Oh.

813
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: Interesting.

814
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: But then fish are like care about everyone equally and

815
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: wants social justice and equality.

816
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: And bears bears are like mother.

817
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: Bears are like a really caring friend that like has

818
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, thrives in like intimate personal relationships rather than

819
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: big picture.

820
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: Which one are you? I mean?

821
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: I think I think I might be bird.

822
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: This is kind of what's the scariest one that's really scary?

823
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean I could see you as Bird.

824
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: That I mean, by the way I do develop intimate relationships.

825
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: You have.

826
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: So that I don't have.

827
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: But it's sort of like I do feel like my

828
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: instinct often is to like try to to a fault

829
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: almost like try to think big picture and try to

830
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: like I don't know, come up with a diagnosis for.

831
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: What I'm seeing. Sure, I see that this one seems

832
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: This reminds me of the representation question a little bit,

833
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: because there feels like no way to pick one without

834
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: being self aggrandize.

835
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because all of them are good. I mean,

836
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: either you are an iconic cultural critic, or you care

837
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: about social dresses, or you are like a really good friend, daughter, son, parent.

838
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

839
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: I okay, Well I have a reading on the fish

840
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: one that isn't like I mean, I don't not care

841
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: about social just as Sure I'm not saying this is

842
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: somebody who's like the most like you know, I mean

843
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: never whatever, Okay, but I think I am a fish

844
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: in the sense that like I actually cannot like there

845
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: are so many people I defend that I don't like

846
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: that are not close to me, yes, or that are

847
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: even problematic, like like like controversial figures like within a

848
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: community that everyone else is like, you know, like I

849
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: really think, like I think a lot about like is

850
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: this fair? And like, h really, I don't know.

851
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: But I almost think that's a bird impulse.

852
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Really yeah, because you're like doing critical analysis, Like I

853
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: feel like fish is simpler. It's like wanting everyone to

854
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: be equal. It's like not caring more about someone who's

855
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: closer to you than you do about someone on the street.

856
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Like it's a sort of equalizing thing, Whereas what you're doing,

857
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I think is is is like critical analysis.

858
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: What do you think? I don't know.

859
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: I think I don't get what the bird is.

860
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: Up to and why is the fish social justice? Like

861
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: that seems like an oversimplification, Like I guess I have

862
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: to read the book to sort of see how we

863
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: got Sure. I think that could help inform because the

864
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: bird I get like visually, oh yeah, they're removed, and

865
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: why they're seeing the world in this way.

866
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: I think fish think of like a school of fish

867
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: all together, you know, it's like more collectively minded.

868
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: Oh okay, sure, I think I'm either fish or bear,

869
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know which.

870
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: Wow, I feel like such a bitch for identifying as

871
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: a bird.

872
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, well your tweets say you are all right, Well

873
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: should we get into our topic? Yeah?

874
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: So, Sabrina yeah, I would love it with all my

875
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: heart if you would tell us what topic you have

876
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: brought forth today for this episode.

877
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: Sure, and I'm actually gonna try to move faster through

878
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: my sentences.

879
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: There is no reason to move faster or slow.

880
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: I need to get a thousand doves on this whole. Sorry, sorry, Okay,

881
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: I did, I did come. I I wanted to talk

882
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: about homo eroticism.

883
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah m hm, I mean it's sort of the topic

884
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: that it's sort of the umbrella topic.

885
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is essentially what this podcast is about. Yeah,

886
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: it's that. So what what led you to homooroticism? What

887
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: was your way into totally thank you? As a straight topic?

888
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: Well, as I like trying to come up with something

889
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: straight to talk about, I was gonna like talk about

890
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: anime and then like then my which I think is

891
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: some people think of as pretty queer, but I I like,

892
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: I have a pretty strong like I don't. I don't

893
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 3: think so Like the women anime are have a very

894
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: flat personality and the largest tits I've ever seen, even

895
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: if they're the strongest fight Okay yeah yeah right, so

896
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: but the sort of pause is like, well, you know,

897
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: it's very homo erotic, like a lot of these characters

898
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: are sort of but it's like the fact that there

899
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: is this sort of concept of homo rot right, like

900
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: if it were homosexual, that would be gay, but alas

901
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: it's it's homo erotic. It's like, it's the what we're

902
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: saying is it's so close, but it's actually not. And

903
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: who even wants that other than you know what I mean.

904
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: There's even closeted closeted that's for gap, like that concept

905
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: and that's pretty homosexual.

906
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: It might make no. No, you're making actually so much sense.

907
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: It's insane.

908
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: It's the straightest thing you can be, because it is

909
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: saying this is not it's literally no homo. It's saying

910
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: this is not gay.

911
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: I love the making them mutually exclusive homo moronicism and homosexuality,

912
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: I think is one very funny and two very I

913
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: see the truth in that. The anime point about, like

914
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: the women's huge tits and flat personalities. There is an

915
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: element to that where it's like, were these made by

916
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: gay men? Like oh sure, yeah, yeah.

917
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: When you you know, when you see misogyny out in

918
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: the wild, you always have to ask yourself, is this

919
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: gay misogyny or great misogyny. Often the result. Often the

920
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: result is pretty similar.

921
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like yeah, it's like, well, she is slaying right,

922
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: But did she wants to say that.

923
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: A sexual object? Or is she an iconic object?

924
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: No?

925
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: I think you're imagining these women like a little bit

926
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: too powerful, like they are sort of like.

927
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: Do you think Lara Croft is Lara Croft is? She's

928
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: an iconic object's?

929
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: Is she an anime? She's a video video?

930
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking about other sort of like exaggerated

931
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 1: fictional animated or animated adjacent women who famously have giant breasts. Okay, Okay,

932
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: So how would we define homroticism? I think maybe that's

933
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: a good place to start.

934
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: So it's two guys, two to four guys. Yeah, it

935
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: can be women. Okay, this is the first I'm hearing

936
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: of this.

937
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: Like, Sam, women can be home erotic to one another.

938
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: I'm listening and I'm learning. Yeah, okay, okay, so it's

939
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: a group of people.

940
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just just to say, as a non binary person,

941
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: non bin new people cannot cannot be erotic. It's never

942
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: You're never like this is you'd be like no matter

943
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: where they lean, you're like that's gay. But it's really.

944
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well that's sort of how it's.

945
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: In that way, you are breaking the ultimate bioneer between

946
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: home eroticism and homosexuality.

947
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, wow, something you think about, something to think about.

948
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: To me, it's like it is the hint of everything,

949
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: but antal it is like the hint it is. It

950
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: is hinting at homosexuality, hinting at same sex attraction. Sure, sure,

951
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: but is it something more than that?

952
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: I mean, don't we refer to like those weird old

953
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: Greek art paintings that are like two guys like truly

954
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: going at it. Does that not kind of homo erotic?

955
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: Well that's that is a very good question, because you

956
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: do see actually like a truly three guys having full

957
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: on sex. Yeah, And people are like, wow, this is

958
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: so homorotic, And I'm.

959
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: Like, no, I think it's a little more than that.

960
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: That's actually porn. But it is try sweet.

961
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: It is straight people who are going morotic.

962
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, be like oh my yeah god, that's true.

963
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, accusations of homoticism can almost be weaponized both ways,

964
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: because straight people can look at something fully gay and

965
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: be like wow, I guess that's a little homerotic, and

966
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: then they're like straight washing it. But then gay people

967
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: can look at like, you know, Ben Affleck and Matt

968
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: Damon and be like that's homorotic. It's like, well, no,

969
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: you're like trying to make it gay, right, they're just friends. Yeah,

970
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: I think, huh, we don't know, we don't know. Maybe

971
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: that's there forbidden question. Yeah, I mean it is sort

972
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: of like the fact that Ben Affleck's most lasting relationship

973
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: is with Matt Damon and then he keep he sort

974
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: of is dating an iconic pop star Jennifer Lopez. It's

975
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of gay.

976
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: That's really gay? Actually, Yeah, So.

977
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, thoughts on like queer baiting and how it

978
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: that was like sort of my thought on the subway,

979
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 3: like how it fits into.

980
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: All of this talk about it? Forbidden question? Oh God, Like,

981
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: don't you think it is impossible? Like the idea the

982
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: concept of queer baiting is one of those things that

983
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I could form a coherent thought.

984
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: About the way that that is a circle always when

985
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: people start talking about it, and always like oh.

986
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: No, no, no, because yeah, because my instinct to be honest

987
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: is to almost be like that is sort of tumbler bullshit,

988
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: and I don't and I don't care about it, Like

989
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: it literally does not make a difference to me that

990
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: Timothy shallow May is playing a gay person yeah or sorry,

991
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: which I realized is like a different that's different than

992
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: queer baiting, or that Timothy Shallomy is wearing a you know,

993
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: bra on a red carpet.

994
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: Harry Harry Style.

995
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but then of course someone does toe the

996
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: line too much, and then I do become upset who

997
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: tows the line too much, which not toes the line,

998
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: But like I mean, I think Harry Styles is a

999
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: good example. It's difficult to talk about this without while

1000
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: also being like, I actually don't like none of this

1001
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: is morally important. It's just annoying, don't you think like

1002
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think you can be like

1003
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: it is annoying and it makes me roll my eyes

1004
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: when Harry Stoules is like I've never identified as anything right,

1005
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: when he's dating a lively wild But that doesn't mean

1006
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: I think he should be arrested.

1007
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he should be murdered. I think

1008
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: he should be allowed to put out more music if

1009
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: he wants to.

1010
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and by the way, talk about homeroticism, I

1011
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: actually think I think if you're gonna queer bait, go

1012
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: all the way. Like I love that Bruce Springsteen like

1013
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: makes out with U that forgetting his name if you know,

1014
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, he makes out with like a member of

1015
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: a male member of his band, like and it's like

1016
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: a thing that people know about and he will like

1017
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: kiss him while they're on stage, or like who's the

1018
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: guy from Arctic Monkeys Alex Turner He has like this

1019
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: other group and they always are like being intentionally like

1020
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: caressing each other's like pecks on stage, and it's like

1021
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: everyone knows about it and it's fun and they're like

1022
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: almost making out and I'm sort of like, well that's

1023
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: that's fun, and that's more fun to me than Harry

1024
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: style is just wearing a dress.

1025
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your thoughts?

1026
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: My thoughts are I also break down, but this one

1027
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: and not to be so serious, but like the the

1028
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: only thing that gives me pause because I generally also

1029
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: find it like annoying. It's just like I don't know,

1030
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 3: like it's also a lot like to like what's what's

1031
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: the what's the alternative? Like given a world where like

1032
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: Harry is like even like gender queer or like it's

1033
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: just like when you're that famous, I feel like the

1034
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: steaks are insane, And to ask somebody to be like

1035
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: overtly gay, it's like honestly like, I'm sort of like

1036
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: and that's why I break down. Oh, that's why I

1037
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: just jumped shit from this question because I'm like, I'm

1038
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: not I don't think queer baiting conceptually is great. I

1039
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: just think that like, like queer baiting in a vacuum

1040
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: is not great. But like pushing somebody to like never

1041
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 3: seem gay unless you're ready to fully commit to being

1042
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: openly gay, especially as like a world, like in a

1043
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: world where there is so much like violence, Hey, YouTube

1044
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: is scary. I'm sort of like, yeah, like do it,

1045
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: Like does that make sense? Like the danger of courbating

1046
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: is like it's very hard to tell if somebody is

1047
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: queer baiting or just like trying to be.

1048
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, as like a twenty four year old

1049
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, yea whatever age Harry styles is. Yeah, Yeah,

1050
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: well did I ruin this party?

1051
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: No? You didn't ruin it. You didn't ruin it. I

1052
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: think that I think we're at eight hundred doves.

1053
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1054
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think those I also I mean,

1055
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: we're this is people being like I don't know.

1056
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: But I think it's but I think it's almost like

1057
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: it's a class. It's almost like weird that we haven't

1058
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: discussed the concept of queerbating on the pot because it

1059
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: seems so relevant to our interests.

1060
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: It seems so easy to be like to come off

1061
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: as ignorant when talking about this, because I am. I

1062
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: am more like, ugh, like this is so annoying. Yeah,

1063
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: like like if you're gonna be gay, be gay, and

1064
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: if you're not, then not or like even say like

1065
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: I'm questioning or something like there is a label. There

1066
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: are labels for a reason, and some people like Harry styles,

1067
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: it seems like there's I don't know, it seems like

1068
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: there's some authentic part of him that like wants to

1069
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: explore something and I celebrate that and if not, then

1070
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: this boy cuckoo. And but then there's like who's really

1071
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: bad at it, like like Charlie Pooth, Like I feel

1072
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: like he's one that it's like he he's just trying

1073
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: to like get gay guys to like him.

1074
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: Okay, that is so funny that you say that, because

1075
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: I prefer Charlie Pooth's brand of queer baiting, because what

1076
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: Charlie Pooths will do is just post a picture of

1077
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: his ass and then have a funny captain. It's like, well,

1078
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: there's my ass, whereas what Harry Styles will do is

1079
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: long a line of gender neutral clothing for Gucci. And

1080
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: to me, I actually prefer Charlie pooth just posting a

1081
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: photo of his ass like that actually feels regardless of

1082
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: whether he literally as a He's like sitting back there

1083
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: in his layer and is like I'm gonna get these

1084
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: gay guys to press like on this. Even if it's

1085
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: completely inauthentic whatever, it feels at least fun and spontaneous

1086
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: in a way that like Harry Styles launching a brand

1087
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: of nail polish does not. Sure Sure, Sure that makes sense,

1088
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like the best sort of like non gay,

1089
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, when I think of like prints or when

1090
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: I think of like, I don't know other people that

1091
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: have played with gender over the years without necessarily be

1092
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: like coming out and being like I'm gay. It's that

1093
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: it comes from a place of like fun mm hmm,

1094
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: rather than a place of like calculated branding.

1095
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: And profit and profit. Yeah, So if you want to

1096
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: explore with your presentation or your sexuality. Go for it.

1097
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't you make a damn dime until I'm rich, Sabrina.

1098
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: If you were to launch a brand that that that

1099
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: targeted the LGBTQ plus community, what sort of product do

1100
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: you think you would launch?

1101
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh I would I would get lesbians

1102
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 3: like a hat that cannot go backwards?

1103
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: Wow?

1104
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: Is that okay to say? Yes?

1105
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: I can say, well, this is always the question is

1106
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: how do you enforce that?

1107
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Right? Well, it would start like making a noise when

1108
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: it's the other way.

1109
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: It would just be like maybe there's like a weight

1110
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: in it where it's like this, like you could spin

1111
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: it around as much as you want, but the bill

1112
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: always moves to the front. Oh my god. Yeah, but

1113
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: maybe it's like a magnet.

1114
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, yes, it could be done with

1115
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: magnetic properties.

1116
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm actually going to do this in my lifetime.

1117
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: That's perfect. Oh. I think that's genius.

1118
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: And you agree like there's something about that.

1119
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: Is not our place to say, Sabrina. And if that's

1120
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: how you feel, then absolutely like make that and make

1121
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: that pronouncement on our podcast. But you're not going to

1122
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: trick us into agreeing with you. That lesbians should not

1123
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: wear backwards hats.

1124
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 3: It's not even like that. It's just and I'm look,

1125
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: I love every lesbian, not all equally clearly, but you're

1126
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 3: not right, I'm I'm unfortunately the bird.

1127
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 2: You're a bird.

1128
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: You're a bird in the sense that you're like, why

1129
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: aren't all these lesbians rang backwards hats?

1130
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's just that I guess, like if I had

1131
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: to see my preference, like I prefer lesbians. Oh, you know, well,

1132
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: I think of lesbians on a spectrum, right, there are

1133
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: the best beautiful lesbians.

1134
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: Backgrounds lesbians, right, Okay, you say beautiful. Yeah, love a spectrum.

1135
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 2: We we love a spectrum.

1136
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: Lesbians in their backwards When I see them in the

1137
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: audience of a stand up shop, I'm scared, Like I'm

1138
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: actually scared that they will okay, And then on the

1139
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: other side of the spectrum, a lot of them, honestly

1140
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: are It actually gets buyer on this side. But it's

1141
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: like it's the turtleneck big pants. Oh kind of, and

1142
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: I generally sort of not lipstick, No, no, no, there's

1143
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: in fact no lipstick actively chapstick, like it's that, but

1144
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 3: it's like it's it's the tumblr ho but not even

1145
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: like it can be just more like more like a

1146
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: lit like a quiet meeting versus like loud sporty.

1147
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: Got it right, it's Rooney Mara and Carol No, is

1148
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: that the actress.

1149
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 3: Carol?

1150
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

1151
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: So you're you're saying Tumblr thought your words.

1152
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I'm saying, like Tumblr thought on

1153
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 3: this side, and I kind of.

1154
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: Don't really like hat on one side, right, And I'm

1155
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: sort of.

1156
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 3: Calling between both worlds, like in terms of like I

1157
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: love like or I don't like read a lot and that,

1158
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: but I did play like a lot of sports, like

1159
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: you know, but there's just something about like the backwards

1160
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: hat where I'm just sort of like, to me, there's

1161
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: a lot less like let's think about queering the world.

1162
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: It's a lot of like I love women, I love like,

1163
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: I love drinking my beers and like, and I guess

1164
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: it's or and it's not even like every lesbian with

1165
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: the backwards hat is is is like that, but they

1166
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: are perpetuating that culture because that is a symbol that kind.

1167
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 5: Of yes, yes with like with equal way guys, any

1168
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 5: other uh well.

1169
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: I don't know any other symbols. Ye, I don't know,

1170
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: you try to believe that out.

1171
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: If you're a lesbian wearing a backwards hat, you might

1172
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: as well be wearing.

1173
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: A You actually have to cut that out, George, Can

1174
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: you just bleep it can use their imagination about, you know,

1175
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: sort of what Yeah, came to my mind.

1176
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeaheah, it's a lot of bleeping this.

1177
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really maybe we should advertise it even

1178
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: as like straight e lab censored like never before.

1179
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sabrina, do you feel like when a lesbian I'm

1180
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: not even gonna ask how you're going to police that

1181
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: these hats only be worn by lesbians. I'm just gonna

1182
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: assume there's a framework in mind. But let's say they're

1183
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: only worn by lesbians. Is your goal for the person

1184
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: who wears his hat to then sort of be led

1185
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: to self reflection? They try to turn it around, it

1186
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: doesn't go around, and then they're like, wait a minute,

1187
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: what am I trying to do by turning my hat around?

1188
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: Exactly like when you try to turn around it says

1189
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: things like don't say shoddy or don't like, don't like if.

1190
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: You're what you know what I mean, like it's tire shoes.

1191
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: It's actually specifically maybe for white and Asian lesbians or

1192
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, like light skin line,

1193
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: cannot you know what I'm trying to avoid. It's what

1194
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: is that called like a hey mama, lesbian? I want

1195
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 3: to it's not it's not eugenics is I'm not like

1196
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: killing No, I think there should be fewer. I think

1197
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: there should be fewer. And then it's not, that's not

1198
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: who lesbians are like at their core.

1199
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: You can put one of those types of lesbians in

1200
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: a museum totally, and then the others will change.

1201
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: Just inside the glass with no one's going to see this.

1202
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: But you know, you know what, if I were to

1203
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: describe what Sabrina is doing, I would say, imagine the

1204
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: emoji that's biting his lip.

1205
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is sort of the vibe. That's the

1206
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: kind of lesbian vibe that you're talking about. Yes, I

1207
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: can picture it so well.

1208
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: And in fact, the biting of the lip is even

1209
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: more evocative than the backwards hat in some ways.

1210
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean, the way that you've painted a picture, I

1211
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: wish there was video. I feel I know this person, you.

1212
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, well you know someone who used to be one.

1213
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: I used to you used to be the really.

1214
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: I mean I'm was never a hay mam. There's no

1215
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: pard of.

1216
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: Me that good. You know, yeah, did you say shoddy?

1217
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 3: No? No, but I was so close, like I definitely

1218
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 3: wanted to. I was like, you want to ask my

1219
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: girl out to prog and learned how to dance?

1220
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: And when she would like saying my girl or even

1221
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: like god forbid my lady?

1222
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,479
Speaker 3: Right, Never my lady never said my girl out loud,

1223
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: but definitely thought that way, you know what I mean.

1224
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: Like internally, I was like, why is she going to

1225
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: problem with that guy? Like I'm just as good at

1226
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: sports as him, and and I I can dance like

1227
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: I'm so good at like you know, it's just like whatever, whatever.

1228
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: Maybe she knew that he was a really good leader.

1229
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: He wasn't I was a good leader.

1230
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: Wow. I thought you were dropping balls.

1231
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That wow.

1232
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: I'm like really learning a lot about how I Does

1233
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: that happen to you? Where you're like as you age,

1234
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: you're like your conception of your earlier self, Like as

1235
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: you talk, you're like, we I don't know what I

1236
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: think of how I.

1237
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: Was like it's hard to create a succinctah, and like

1238
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: we we talk about how we both think of ourselves

1239
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: as like we were really good boys, and so now

1240
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: we kind of feel like we can be really bad

1241
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: and be like, well everyone knows we're good boys, and

1242
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: it's like no, like it's kind of like you can

1243
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: slay and then you can stop playing. But yeah, for

1244
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: how long until people just in terms of being a

1245
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: good boy?

1246
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and yeah in the frame and the in

1247
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: a family framework, slaying means being a good boy. But

1248
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: I also, I mean, I've talked about this before, but

1249
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: to me, the episode of thirty Rock where Liz realizes

1250
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: that she used to be a bully when she thought

1251
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: that she used to be the victim. Do you know

1252
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about?

1253
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, seah, that's like the first episode, right.

1254
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: She like goes to her high school reunion and she

1255
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: thinks that all these popular girls bullied her, but in fact,

1256
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: what happened was that she was so afraid of being

1257
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: bullied that she would like preemptively be like, what's the

1258
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: deal with your mom's pill addiction? Like to the popular

1259
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: girl whatever. That's like one of the lines whatever. And

1260
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: I do I mean not to say that I was

1261
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: that bad, but I do think it was a form

1262
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: of self preservation. We're like, because you don't want to

1263
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: be the butt of a joke, you then speak out

1264
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: of turn and like make fun of someone or like

1265
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: think you're punching up. But it's like, well that is

1266
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: still a thirteen year old boy.

1267
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, but uh no, to answer your question,

1268
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: we know exactly who we are and we always know

1269
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: who we've been, and.

1270
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, all narratives are linear.

1271
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: And yeah wow wow, well homeoticism, yeah, I actually think

1272
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: we like randomly got deeper than that.

1273
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I'm trying to think of like what

1274
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: is the straightest Oh my god, wait, we haven't even

1275
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: talked about this. What talk about women in homeoticism. The

1276
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: epitome of straight homeoroticism is like the dorm poster of

1277
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: two girls making out, do you know.

1278
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: What I mean?

1279
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Like I know, or like the beer ad were the

1280
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: Twins where it's like I love twins, like that sort

1281
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: of Sabrina.

1282
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: You look, well, yeah, I guess I'm I just don't

1283
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: know this dorm post.

1284
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh okay, oh so I think maybe you're like truly

1285
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: like a couple. It's generation younger, but like people listening know,

1286
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: there's a poster. It's a black and white photo of

1287
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: two girls, two girls very sort of like conventionally attractive

1288
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: thin girls in like underwear and like a tank with

1289
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: no bra exactly, and they are about to kiss or

1290
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: maybe in the process. I think they're making I think

1291
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 1: they're they're actively making out.

1292
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: But it's like that is it was in like half

1293
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: of all dorm rooms for for like I think a decade. Yeah,

1294
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: and then of course, like to you know, it was

1295
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: like that in the pulp fiction poster like oh.

1296
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: That one is still around with the bananas.

1297
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: Or like thin.

1298
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: Or think about the Rolling Stone cover that was Blake

1299
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: Lively and Layton Measter licking an ice cream cone? Does

1300
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 1: that bring any bells? Not as many, but you can

1301
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: clearly imagine what I'm saying, Yeah, simply just the two

1302
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: of them both like the same ice cream call. All

1303
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is like men fetishizing lesbianism is the ultimate

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: sort of Homerooticism is straight of course, that's true homoonism

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01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: for straight consumption, for straight consumption, and then for man,

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Speaker 1: what would it be?

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Speaker 2: It would be the Abercrombie guys exactly in two thousand

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: and three, Yeah, abercrom against two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: And also soccer players after they win, when they all

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: are just like literally fingering each other, like why do

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: they do that? It's actually insane, Like they need to

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: stop talk about queer baiting. And we're putting Harry Styles

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Speaker 1: on the cross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, put the UK soccer team on blast, like what

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Speaker 2: are they doing? Well? I think we should maybe do

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Speaker 2: our final set. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts on homroticism, No.

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Speaker 3: Just thanks, And I can't believe I missed such a

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Speaker 3: huge topic, like oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, I'm really excited about the launch of

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Speaker 1: the hat thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for that party. And where we

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01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: do operate an investment fund and we're looking for things

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01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: to invest in, and we especially love queer creators.

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01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: I think legally I could not make this hot without you,

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Speaker 3: given that I will use patent magnet to college rare.

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Speaker 1: Right, and that was our idea. Yeah yeah from the

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Speaker 1: lab Yeah literally literally wow wow, Okay, will you introduce

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: our finals? I would be honored and overjoyed. Our final

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01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: segment Sabrina is called shout outs, and in this segment,

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01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: we pay homage to a classic straight art form called

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Speaker 1: the radio shout out. Think TRL Think, a radio morning

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Speaker 1: show on Z one hundred. We are shouting out to

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: something that is making us say, Okay, Sam, do you

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: have one?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everyone around the globe? I love you, I see you,

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: and I want to give a quick shout out to

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01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: riding my bike. I have not been riding my bike

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01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: as much recently. I blame the pandemic, and then I

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01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: blame sort of leaving the house less generally. And today

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01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: I met a friend for lunch and I rode my bike,

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Speaker 2: just a short, little fifteen minute bike ride, and I said,

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01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: this puts me in an incredible mood. I feel my

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: mind is cleared. I feel in touch with the city

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01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,479
Speaker 2: of New York, and I feel like, yeah, I'm still

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01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: rough and tumble. I'm still a guy who rides a

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01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: bike somewhere. And maybe Carl pass me and go hey,

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: stop it, and I take up space in the road,

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to do it. I think that's why

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01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: my ass looks the way it does because of all

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: those biking years. And I just want to say, I

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01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: love you bike riding. You make me feel whole. Wooo

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01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: wow wow.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why my ass looks the way it was.

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Speaker 1: What are the Hottter statements you've said on this podcast recently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sometimes you gotta lean in or lean back.

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01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: I'll say, let's see, I'm trying to think of one.

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Speaker 1: I know you gave me so much time, and yet

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: I still am coming up blank. This is truly insane,

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01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: the second time this has happened to me this week.

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Speaker 2: You've got it.

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01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what's up everybody out there.

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Speaker 1: It's your boy, George, and sorry for introducing myself as such.

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Speaker 1: We'll have flaws. So I want to give a shout out,

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Speaker 1: respectfully and honorably to my favorite breakfast of choice recently,

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Speaker 1: which is a piece of toast cottage cheese, pistachios, and

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Speaker 1: then cracked black pepper. I'm telling you, comind this baby

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Speaker 1: with a fresh pot of Joe, and you are cooking.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I've already shouted out good culture cottage trees on

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Speaker 1: this podcast, but this twenty was years ago. So for

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01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: all our new listeners, go out there, get some good

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01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: culture cottage cheese, get some bread of your choosing, get

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Speaker 1: some shelled pistachios. I know it seems so glamorous and

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: so expensive, but you have to treat yourself to shelled pistachios,

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: put a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of them on.

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01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking no more than five to six, and then

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: if you don't mind getting messy, sprinkle some olive oil

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: on it. And if you are sort of on the go,

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01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: just the black pepper will do. And then go about

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: your day. I guarantee you you will get that big client,

1386
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: you will land that big meeting, and you will get

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Speaker 1: that job. Why because you had a good breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Woo. I love that you're a breakfast freak. I'm not

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Speaker 2: like a I know that.

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Speaker 1: When we were together in La famously, I kept having

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Speaker 1: three eggs every morning. You were like so addicted. I know,

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01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: and I do love making breakfast into an event. But

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: when I'm working, I love just like that's sort of small.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking one piece of toast, Like just

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01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: like to have a tiny meal to just wet your

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: appetite for lunch and know that in three short hours

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Speaker 1: you'll eat again. There's nothing like it. Wow, are you

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Speaker 1: a breakfast person?

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Speaker 3: I am a breakfast person, said I love when I

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Speaker 3: get I think that in the morning, I'm the most

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 3: open minded and the foods that I do think eggs

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01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 3: are gross.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: But you don't like eggs.

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I eat them, but they feel very gross. Yeah,

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: like I eat them, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Just like I think the morning is a special time

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01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 3: to like, I think, yeah, it must be an enjoyable

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: time to eat, because I'm eating the foods I would

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Speaker 3: never eat past the hour of like toast, eggs, Yeah, yogurt,

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Speaker 3: They're all kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like I have been.

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Speaker 1: Really, I have been Grandma so much like I I

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Speaker 1: just am never in the mood for yogurt, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Not that makes one of us anyway you're eating, feel

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Speaker 2: free to go for it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm all right, Okay, Hey, Sobrina wooser Hi, okay

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01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: him some so, oh my god, there's gonna be a

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01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: soundtrack underneath this too hot. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: I have to shout out. I love all of my

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: followers equally, but there's one there's one fan in particular

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: that I have to shut up, mostly because actually, two

1424
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: and a half years ago he said to me, if

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01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 3: you ever get on Radio Lab, there is this segment

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 3: cold shout outs, and it would actually mean the world

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 3: to me if you shouted me out. He is somebody

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: that I that I auditioned for many avant guard plays

1429
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: he directed in college, and yeah, he casted me into

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 3: the ensemble. He's so hard but sorry fellas, he's taken

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: and he's so delightful. A huge fan of the pod,

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 3: Thomas Peterson. The shout out goes to you.

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Speaker 2: Who oh my god. Yeah, oh wow, Thomas, Wow, unbelievable.

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 2: That was incredible. That was amazing. Do you ever get

1435
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: like reminded that people actually listen to this podcast and

1436
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: go whoa not if I can help it, I'm like,

1437
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: how the hell did he hear about this? Oh? Wow?

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01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 3: It's crazy. He got like all my everyone that I

1439
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: did like plays with in college obsessed with this podcast.

1440
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 3: That's actually why I was like, I need to prep

1441
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 3: for this because you were gonna listen and actually, be honest,

1442
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 3: it feels like I'm auditioning again for a play, like

1443
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 3: I feel stressed.

1444
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you something. Sabrina got the row

1445
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: you booked.

1446
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.

1447
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: Wow, thanks so much for doing the po I always

1448
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: love ending on a sort of self congratulatory note. Yeah,

1449
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: good job George, and good job to you, well, thank

1450
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: you everyone for listening. Job and to you yeah, and honestly,

1451
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: great job Thomas, because you know what Thomas.

1452
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 2: Is for sheep, for sheep influencer, sheepmakers, sheep, that's a tastemakers.

1453
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to go, but taste maker sheep is

1454
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: one of the most incredible inventions.

1455
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: That's the name of the hat company.

1456
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and my challenge to everyone is spend

1457
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: just spend some time thinking about the Sheep framework because

1458
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: it's actually genius.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, Goodbye,