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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From house Stop Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and and I'm Kristen. For today, we

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Speaker 1: are taking on a little known but very fascinating woman

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Speaker 1: from our history, Victoria Woodhole wood Hole. Yes, and seldom

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Speaker 1: have we only spotlighted a single woman in our podcast

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Speaker 1: A lot of time, well time, so we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: many women under one topic, but we're just going to

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Speaker 1: focus on Victoria Woodhall because she's a pretty long life.

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Speaker 1: She was quite a fascinating dame. Definitely warrants her own

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Speaker 1: podcast because she uh, she got around uh in so

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Speaker 1: But she Let's start out at the very beginning Homer, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: That is when Victoria Clayfland was born to what Richard

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Speaker 1: Her mother um heard herds voices and saw visions, which

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Speaker 1: He goes around trying to sell people cures to their

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Speaker 1: so that they can demonstrate their gifts for voices and

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Speaker 1: You know. She she has very a very sad childhood.

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Speaker 1: But in hearing all these voices, she hears one that

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Speaker 1: And with that money they started up the first female

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