1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. Welcome to another exciting edition of 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: the Archive podcast. This is where because someone asked us 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: about an interview recently, or because it's one of our favorites, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: we pull one of our discussions on air from the 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: past out of the vault and share it again. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: And the reason for. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: That is we're growing in listeners rather dramatically by the day, 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: and that means that at a minimum, our regular listeners 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: are being supplemented by an army of people who haven't 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: heard what we've done in the past. And secondly, a 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: lot of things we did in the past even our 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: regular listeners missed because I understand you've got a lot 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: going on and you can't hear all day of every show. 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: So this one is. 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Some of you will remember the Benghazi bacle, and since 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: we've been talking about our service members being killed, I 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: thought this one needed to be brought back out. And 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: a listener had asked me a question about the interview, 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: and it made us think, let's play this again so 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: people remember what all has happened to those men and 21 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: women who so broke bravely sign up. 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 2: To serve our country. 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Chris Paranto is known as Tanto, so former US Army ranger, 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: a private security contractor, and he gained quite a bit 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: of national attention for his role in the twenty twelve 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Benghazi attack in Libya. 27 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: He was one of the US. 28 00:01:54,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: Diplomatic compound contractors private security for horses folks in Benghazi 29 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: on September eleventh, twenty twelve, during the terror attack that 30 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: killed four Americans, including the Ambassador Christopher Stevens. I find 31 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: it troubling that some people seem to think Christopher Stevens's 32 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: death was in some way more important than the other 33 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: three Americans, and I don't. Paranto's experiences during that attack 34 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: were detailed in a book called Thirteen Hours, The Inside 35 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Account of What Really Happened in Benghazi, which he co 36 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: authored with several other members of the security team. That 37 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: book would be adapted into what may be the Reason 38 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: You've heard that title, which was the film in twenty 39 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: sixteen Thirteen Hours The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, And if 40 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: you're wondering, Paranto's character in that movie was portrayed by 41 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: the act Pablo Schreider. I had the honor of talking 42 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: to Tonto for an hour, and I will tell you 43 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: when I say I had. 44 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: The owner it was an honor. 45 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: So in memory of those lives lost, in memory of 46 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: our service members who serve our nations so valiantly, so selflessly, 47 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: we replay this in hopes that you enjoy it. 48 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: What happened in. 49 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: Benghazi on September eleventh, twenty twelve. Well, I know I 50 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: don't trust the US government's account, so we are fortunate 51 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: to have with us a gentleman named Chris Paranto, known 52 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: apparently by his nickname of Tonto. It's a former ranger, 53 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: second Battalion, seventy fifth Regiment, security and military consultant and 54 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: if you read the account thirteen hours, a real American 55 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: badass and hero Tan too. 56 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: Thanks for being our guest, Bud. 57 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: Hey, Michael, thanks. I think some of my children make 58 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: you difference, say I was a badass something like that, brother, 59 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: But thanks for the introduction. 60 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: They might say you're a bad dad because you took 61 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: away all their fun stuff. 62 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: As I take away all their fun I grounded him 63 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: from the from the PlayStation. Yeah that's all right. Well, 64 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 3: thanks for having me on the show man. 65 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I want to tell our listeners 66 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: in Albany and Upstate New York listening on wg y 67 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: that Chris Paranto will be a guest of the Republican 68 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: Party of Albany County on September second at Treviso's in 69 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: the Italian American Community Center on Washington Avenue Extension in Albany. 70 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: And tickets are available at ALBANYGP dot org ALBANYGP dot org. 71 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: And then he will be here just north of Houston 72 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: on September twenty fourth. And I've got those details somewhere, 73 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: but I'll get those to you before we're through talking. 74 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna have him on for little bit here, so 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: tell me if you would a little bit about take 76 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: a minute or two sure before September eleventh. Who are 77 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: you and why were you there? 78 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: Well, we're working with the Global Response Staff, that is 79 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: the UH. It's a security element of the Central Intelligence 80 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: Agency and and our bread and butter job is basically 81 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: provide protection to case officers, assets, those sort of things, 82 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: a very low profile, not like the earpieces. You know, 83 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: you're not showing weapons systems. You're trying to meld and 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: blend in with the community, which which is UH. It 85 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: becomes a very very common thing to do for us, 86 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: and it's actually quite fun. I enjoyed it. You really 87 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: get to know the community, You get to know the 88 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: ins and outs, the atmospherics of the cities you're in 89 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: and and really that was what we're doing now. As 90 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: far as there's some classified stuff, Michael, and because of 91 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: my non disclosure, I can't talk about it too much. 92 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: I think more of that's going to be coming out 93 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: with with Trake Auti of course, which is committee and 94 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: he can talk about that. But the biggest thing us 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 3: we're doing there was with collecting intelligence to to capture 96 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: and kill terrorists that were in the vicinity there and 97 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: also in Egypt. And you remember at that time that's 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 3: when the Syrian Uh, we were we were backing and 99 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: I say we, the US was backing moderate Syrian rebels 100 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 3: to the overthrow the government and that that kind of backfired. 101 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: So so we were uh, but you know, we were there. 102 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: Generally just it's it's to it's to uh, it's down 103 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: a care of them operations. And that's that's the gistic 104 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: that right there. 105 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Tonto tell us what was happening prior to September eleventh, 106 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: in the days leading up to that, because one of 107 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: the things that Trey Gowdy's trying to get to in 108 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: the emails is the belief that Christopher Stevens and others, 109 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: perhaps you and other security consultants were suggesting that there 110 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: was a real threat and that the compound should have 111 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: been vacated. 112 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, BEng Gazi was an extremely dangerous place. And 113 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: you know your listeners, they can take this with any 114 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: with any with any validity from me. I spent ten 115 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: years overseas before BEng Gazi. I worked in Kandahar, I 116 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: worked in Baghdad. I worked in the Solder City area, 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: you know. I worked in Mossoul, Uh Combo, all these places, 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: and then got e readied right up there. The only 119 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: difference with Bengazi is that we didn't have the military 120 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: assets like we did in the other countries to facilitate 121 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: a good response to something happened. So the State Department 122 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: folks Alec Henderson, Scott Wickland, Dave when the gentlemen were 123 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: the State Department security officers, along with Eric Nordstrom. They 124 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: had been requesting additional security, additional weapons systems in Benghazi 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: for approximately six months prior, and we were partaken in 126 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: that because we were the ones that were advising them 127 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: that they needed up their security or if they were. 128 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: I remember putting a point blank to Scott Wipplin when 129 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: I asked him, me, is this all you have here 130 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: at this facility? Because you guys are really undermanned. I 131 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: said to him, if you don't get more people here, 132 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: you're gonna die. And I said, just Jeff like. 133 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: That, to let me interrupt you, Tonto, it would I'm 134 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: gonna play Devil's advocate. I'm guessing that the people that 135 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: you're making these requests to are getting requests from every 136 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: location for more firepower. Everybody wants more of what they 137 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: want more of, and maybe their job is just to 138 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: manage that. 139 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: You know, that would seem that would seem like a 140 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: good answer, But also, you know, Michael, there's the thing 141 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: is those places that would be requesting more if they 142 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 3: would because again I worked in Yemen as well, and 143 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: I worked with the State Department protecting Ambassador Khalil's Adam 144 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: Bassler James Jeffries. Before the CIA, they did have the 145 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: essential weapons systems, they did have a marine security force there, 146 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: they did have security contracting companies there, blackwater ages the 147 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: Gazi had. 148 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: Under that what were you requesting? What were what what 149 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: was the request for specifically. 150 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: More personnel, more security officers, a third party contracting firm 151 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: in agents, and then also weapon systems, machine guns not 152 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 3: just low rifles, and and just more personnel from the 153 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: State Department, not us CEE. I we were fine. We 154 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: had our facility, we had our guys. We we knew 155 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 3: how to protect our keep and we proved it that night. 156 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: But the State Department was requesting more and that was 157 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: through through their officers there, Scott Wick, Glenn Allen Anderson, 158 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: and Dave Hoopman. So personnel and weapon systems, which is 159 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: really what that's what a security officer is going to request. 160 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: And and I don't believe in any case that the 161 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: other facilities would have been requested him. It would have 162 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: been in need of of those sort of increases in 163 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 3: security more than big gods. And that's just from my 164 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: experience working working in other areas, Middle Eastern countries, in 165 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: countries in North Africa. 166 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: I am State Department too. I got Tonto. 167 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: I got about a minu and a half In this segment, 168 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: we'll talk some more on the subject. But when you 169 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: look back, and its hindsight's always twenty twenty, did they 170 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: have whoever that was and we'll talk about who it 171 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: was that attacked the compound, whether it was Libyans or not. 172 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: Did they have more firepower than you assumed they had 173 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: at that moment. 174 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: Yes, And you know what, that goes back to intel failures, 175 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: which which of course you know, we played part in 176 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: that as well. When they brought the mortars to bear, 177 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: that was when we knew they That's what we weren't 178 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: ready for. And I don't think the military or the 179 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: State Department or the eight he was ready for because 180 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: we had requested air support that night when we were 181 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: getting attacked to offset anything that we didn't know they had, 182 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: and we didn't get it. So the mortars really shocked us. 183 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: And the dead the dead hit the mortars right on target. 184 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: That shocked us, and that killed Tyrone and Glenn, you know, 185 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 3: right off the bat. So yes, sir, that's I say, yes, Tony, 186 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: and we reincain responsibility for that as well, along with 187 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: the other entities that were involved. 188 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: Tonto, I'm going to hold you right there. He's going 189 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: to be in Albany. It's going to be an interesting evening. 190 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: I encourage our upstate New York listeners Republican Party of 191 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: Albany County will have him as their guest on September second. 192 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: Tickets forty five bucks for general admission, one hundred dollars 193 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: for pre event special where you could spend some time 194 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: with him, and he'll be here on September twenty fourth. 195 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: I'll have those details here in Houston, that is, or 196 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: just north of it. Coming up, we'll talk about what 197 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: exactly happened for twenty five minutes when he was told 198 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: to stand down. In the book thirteen Hours, he said, 199 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: I regret not disobeying orders. 200 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: That's a strong statement. We'll ask him why. Coming up next, 201 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: Michael Berry Show. This is the Michael Berry Show. 202 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Chris Paranto, nicknamed Tonto, former Ranger, second Battalion, seventy fifth Regiment. 203 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: There years of experience in situations like this. He was 204 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: there on September eleventh, twenty twelve. Tanto, if we could, 205 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: let's get to the day it happened. 206 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: Start us off, Well, it's a normal day and for 207 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: us anyway, basically nobody was attacking us, so it was 208 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: very quiet throughout the day. We had normal operations. And 209 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: then getting through that evening you I'll skip ahead and 210 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: when I do speak, I go in a little bit 211 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: more detail, but for lack of time. We got a 212 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: call that there was a that we needed to muster 213 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: in the team room from our leadership there or our 214 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: staff CEEI staff leadership around nine thirty one, if I 215 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: remember correctly. I remember looking at my watch and walked 216 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: out the front door and you could see the attack 217 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: going on. It was. It was pretty incredible. I don't 218 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: think you've really lived. You see tracers and bullets and 219 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 3: explosions shooting in the distance. You know, we're only three 220 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: quarters a mile away, and you can see those pretty 221 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: clear clear, especially at nighttime. It looks like a firework show. 222 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: And we had word that the confort was under attack, 223 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: and and we mustered all our gear, myself, Tyrone Woods 224 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: and Jack Silva and the rest of the guys, and 225 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: we're ready to go with in five minutes, and we 226 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: were told to wait to buy our buyer leadership. They 227 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: are our chief of base and our staff team leader. 228 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: And you know, keep in mind, during this timeframe, we're 229 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: getting calls from the State Department from Alex Scotton Dave, 230 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: who we'd become very good friends with, that they needed 231 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 3: our assistances because they were under attack and it was 232 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: obvious because we could see and hear it. And it's 233 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: pretty tough to sit there and wait and watch and 234 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: hear your friends being under attack and being under some serious, 235 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: life threatening situations and you're just kind of sitting on 236 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: your thumbs when you're waiting to go there and assist. 237 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: And that's what your job is, and that's what you 238 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: get paid for, and that's what you're trained to do. 239 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: So we waited, and then we waited ten more minutes. 240 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 3: So it's fifteen minutes now, and that's when that's when 241 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: the actual words stand down. We're told to aspire chief 242 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: a base. I remember Kick got out of his vehicle. 243 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: John tick Tigan got out of his vehicle and said 244 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: we need to go now. We're living the initiative, and 245 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: Bob ran up to him and and vehemently says, you 246 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: guys need to stand down. And yeah, again, we're we're waiting, waiting, waiting, 247 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: wait another ten minutes. 248 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: To let me interrupt you because in thirteen hours, right, 249 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: there's a reference to Bob from the CIA. 250 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: Is that who gave the order? 251 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 252 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: Who is Bob? Or do you think we'll ever know 253 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: who Bob is? 254 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: Well, now, Bob is the chief of base. He's the 255 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: chief of base there at the CIA. He's a staff 256 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: he was a staff officer that has since been retired, 257 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: got a retirement. He was awarded the Star for bravery, 258 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: which I don't really know why, and he was also 259 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: he was also given a contracting job there at the farm. 260 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: So he's doing quite well for himself. 261 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: But do you think that that order came from him 262 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: or do you think that came from above him and 263 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: he was just a message. 264 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: No. I think I think he had some saying that, 265 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: probably relaying information of how serious the attack was. So 266 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: I think he had some involvement with it. But it 267 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: did come from hire to Yeah, it came from the 268 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: chief of station, which is in TRIPLEI, who since would 269 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: have come from our line of chance command from the 270 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: cich in Xman. Can I say that that particular standdown 271 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: came from the State Department or do D Department of Defense, 272 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: which would be the military. No, I don't know about that. 273 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: But within our own twenty five minute time frame from 274 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: the CIA all the way to the top, yes, it 275 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: would have. It would have filtered gone down. 276 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: Why do you believe you were given the order to 277 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: stand down? 278 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: You know? I think someone would have to do with 279 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: with them not realizing how serious the situation was because 280 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: you have civilians in charge during a military operation. I 281 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: also think that some of it might have been that 282 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: they didn't want to show their hand that the CIA 283 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: was actually there in the country that was part of it. 284 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: So and then essentially it's just bad judgment to come 285 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: down to it. And that's that's that is me being optimistic. 286 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: That's the best case scenario. I don't want to jump 287 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: out on them and say, hey, we wanted they wanted them, 288 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: being the people up in DC wanted all of us 289 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: to die. That's for Trey Gallio. That's for him to 290 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: decide and figure out. Can I rule that out? No? 291 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: I can't. I can't say for sure now that didn't happen. 292 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: And that hurts when you sworn and protect the United 293 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: States and the United States in't and their government and 294 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: you don't know, maybe they just left you there to die. 295 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: Because when it came right down to it, when it 296 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: finally ended thirteen hours later, we had to comment deer 297 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: all in aircraft to get out of it, and Gothic 298 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: we had to comment deer live in aircraft to actually 299 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: get out of there with our dead and are wounded. 300 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, but that's that's that's at the. 301 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: End of the story, Tanto, as I understand it. Twenty 302 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: five minutes go by and then you and your guys 303 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: ignore the stand down order. 304 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: Yes, we do we uh, And it was I remember 305 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: it clear's day. I remember Ty looking at me and 306 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: I'm looking at him. And again Ty passed away that 307 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: night and tyrone Wood just this and he gave me 308 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: a thumbs up, and I gave him a thumbs up. 309 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: And we all had to run our vehicles and we 310 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: rolled out the gate, and I remember saying, you know, Hoteling, 311 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: our team leader, getting the get in the FS and 312 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: car her. We're going. We're not waiting any longer. And uh, 313 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: what people miss out of this, what the media doesn't 314 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: capture they you know, a lot of the media has 315 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: captured now that yes, it did take him twenty five 316 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: minutes to leave. There was a delay. They don't realize 317 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: that we did lose the initiative and we had to 318 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: fight our way on foot to get to the compound, 319 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: which cost us another twenty five minutes because that they 320 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: had actually solidified and blocked all the roads that we 321 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: could have droped down, so we had to disembark our 322 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: vehicles and actually start jumping backyard walls and fighting our 323 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: way into the compound. And so by the time we 324 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 3: actually got on compound it was completely on fire. It 325 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 3: has been about almost an hour, and we had to 326 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: throw a lot of forty millimeters gage just to get 327 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 3: the fighting positions out of the way so we could 328 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: actually get into the compound and start to clear it. 329 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: And that compound of eight acres large, it's two football 330 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 3: field sites large, so it was it wasn't an easy path. 331 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: And so as I understand it, Tonto, you discovered Sewn 332 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Smith's body, but you notice the ambassador was missing. 333 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: We spent an hour and a half trying to find 334 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: and get into the burning building where they were Jack, 335 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: Sylvan and Dave who been found Seawn Smith's body. He 336 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 3: had already died of smoke in elation. I do remember 337 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 3: seeing Jack trying to resuscitate him. I think that was 338 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: more for the psyche of Dave in the State department guys, 339 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: But you could tell he was dead by the time 340 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: we got there. You can whatever movies you see, don't 341 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: believe him. When somebody's dead, you can tell they're dead. 342 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: And the ambassador though we actually stayed on the compound 343 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: for about an hour and a half bought off the 344 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: counter attack to try to find him in that burning building. 345 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: And it was it was like a pizza oven. It 346 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: was incredibly hot, smoke was intense diesel fumes, and it 347 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: was more of just running in as far as you could, 348 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: feeling around and running back out, tagging hands and running 349 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: back in again, and the other person taking your security 350 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: position to lay fire down to people trying to to 351 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: anshraw Shari and al Qaida were trying to actually overtake 352 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: the compound once week. I took it from them an 353 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: hour before. 354 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: Let me ask you, who do you think you were fighting? 355 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: Antra Shari and al Qaida in the Magarev. Those are 356 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: the two. Those were the two entities. And that's pretty 357 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: pretty solid. That's that's that's verified that ant al Sharia 358 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: was there. Al kaied in the Magarev. And also seventeenth 359 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: February Martyr Brigade, who was the contracting company that the 360 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: State Department had a contracted the local force to protect 361 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: the conflate. They were also part of that as well. 362 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: And how did you how could you tell that were 363 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: they wearing identifying Uh. 364 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: After after the fact, they took responsibility for it. That 365 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: was what it was. Via via social media and then 366 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: through our contacts within the agency. Some of us still 367 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: maintained friendly relationships with a lot of the counter terrorism 368 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: people in the agency and they would tell us through 369 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 3: assets that we still have in certain countries who attacked us. 370 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: So it was a lot of its behind closed doors. 371 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: But eventually, you know, it came out on social media 372 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: and it came out as verified through even our media 373 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: sources because it was leaked. Somebody leaked it within the agency, 374 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: and it came out on CNN or Fox shirt I 375 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 3: think all of them actually be honest with you. And 376 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: then and then seventeenth February Martyrigade the company that was 377 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: supposed to be protecting the consulate. The next day they 378 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 3: came out and sword their allegiance dance for Ausharia. So uh, 379 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: it was it was a bad scene throughout. So yeah, that. 380 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: Hold with me, Hold just a moment. 381 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: Chris Paranto, nicknamed Tonto, he'll be in Albany at the 382 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: Republican Party of Albany County on September second. He'll be 383 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: here north of Houston at the Montgomery County Republican Women's Organization. 384 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: You can find them online. On September twenty fourth at 385 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: River Plantation Country Club. More with him coming up information 386 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: from his show. 387 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: Chris Panto is our guest. 388 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: He was there September eleventh, twenty twelve, in Benghazi, former ranger, 389 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: years of experience doing this. So you watched what was 390 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: unmistakably an attack on the compound in Benghazi. You were 391 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: given the standdown order twice let me not put words, 392 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: three times. N twenty five minutes in you violated orders 393 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: and said we're going in anyway, and you did. 394 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: One of your buddies who. 395 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: Went in with you was Tyrone Woods, who of course 396 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: was was killed. 397 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: In all of this. Uh. And was Chris Darty part of. 398 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: Your group too, Uh yeah, Glenn Doughty. Glenn. Glenn was 399 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: actually the team from Tripoli. Our gurrs guys are from 400 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: Triple that came in and Glenn, you know, thank God 401 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: for Glenn because he's the one that that assisted getting 402 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: one of the planes to us for us to get 403 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: out of there. Okay, And uh yeah, Glenn's in Hero too. 404 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: He's an all I worked them in Triple. The incredible, 405 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: incredibly brave individual along with Tyrone incredibly brave people. 406 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: So you're making trips in and out over the course 407 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: of how much time to keep fighting off these guys. 408 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: Well we we We did it till around midnight, right 409 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: five o'clock. 410 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: Five o'clock DC time, because that's going to be important. 411 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, And once we did that midnight, we realized that, 412 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 3: you know what, we're probably not going to be able 413 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: to find the ambassador. We've been searching for our and 414 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: a half. You know, we had been through some counter attacks. 415 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: We happened we shot a couple of their RPG gunners. 416 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: They're rock COLGUNAGD gunners, and we're like, what do we do. 417 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: We need to either get back to our place to 418 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: defend it or going to stay here and keep looking, 419 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: which and we at that time we didn't know if 420 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 3: he'd been kidnapped. We had no idea if he was 421 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: even in in the in that burning building. And that 422 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: still hauts me, and I think it haunts ill the 423 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 3: rest of the guys too, and me definitely that you 424 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: never leave a fallen comrade to fall in the hands 425 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: of the enemy. And we made the decision to leave, 426 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: and essentially he was found in the very back corner 427 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: of a safe room. And it bothers me because we 428 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: left it. We left his body there. He was dead, 429 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: of course, but we left his uh. But it was 430 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: a decision. It was a tough decision, and and you know, 431 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: looking back on that was the right decision, because we 432 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: ended up fighting three more counter attacks off at our annex, 433 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: at our our facility, and pretty vicious attacks and that's 434 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: where we lost Ty and Glenn. The last one where 435 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: they hit us with mortars, and that's when Mark Outgeist 436 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: was seriously injured. And you know he luckily they were 437 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: able to reattach his arm, but basically his arm would 438 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 3: have been blown off and he almost led out up 439 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: on that roof that night too. 440 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: Now, reports I got reports, I got tanto where that 441 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: y'all killed about forty of their guys and you saved 442 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: about six department, State Department employees and evacuated about another 443 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: thirty Americans that night. 444 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct, State Department n CIA employees. So that's correct. 445 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, we we ended up unofficially and again we 446 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 3: get those counts, and we're very lucky that we still 447 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: have some friends within the own department at the agency 448 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: that can't give us those numbers, and those numbers come 449 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: from the locals on the ground, and that the benefit 450 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: of doing what we do is we do maintain friendships 451 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: with people that are in these countries, locals that are 452 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: in these countries, and I feel I have a heartfeld. 453 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: My heart goes out to him because they're caught in 454 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: the middle all the and there are some good people there. 455 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 3: Not all the Islamis islam Out Muslims or terris Islamas are, 456 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: but not all the Muslims aren't. Some of them actually 457 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: want to help, and you know, now we've left them, 458 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: and who knows that they're even alive to this day. 459 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: But just so people know, I just want to make 460 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: sure that our numbers come from some pretty solid sources, 461 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: not from the US governments, from people that are actually 462 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: on the ground living there. Some are even locals that 463 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: actually live in the country still. 464 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: So y'all fall back at this point, and you talked 465 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: about commandeering the assets that you use to get out 466 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: of there, Describe that if you would. 467 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Triple A team which consisted of Glenn Doherty 468 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: and there was also three other GRS operators. They're still working. 469 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: So I can't give you their names, and then to 470 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: Delta Force operators and then also an interpreter. They came 471 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: from Tripoli. They actually paid approximately twenty thousand dollars to 472 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: rent a charter jet. The charge jets just like chartering 473 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 3: a jet here. It's like it looked like a little Emberrier, uh, 474 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 3: you know jet that you'd see United or Delta fly. 475 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: And they flew from TRIPLEI to Benghazi. When we left 476 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: to go to the airfield that was sitting there waiting 477 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: for us. They had no idea that the crew had 478 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 3: no idea what they were getting into, because I remember 479 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: driving up to the airfield and they were all in 480 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: there in their outfits and the shock in their eyes 481 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: when they saw us trying to load our bloody friends 482 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 3: on there, Mark and Dave that had been severely injured, 483 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: it was it was almost comedic, to be honest with you. 484 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: But we got them on there, got the non shooters, 485 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: all the State Department guys, all the staffers that weren't shooters, 486 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 3: weren't gun totors, got them on that plane. It wasn't 487 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: big enough to fit us on there, all of us shooters, 488 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 3: so we ended up waiting it left, got her injured 489 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 3: to TRIPLEY. They were saved by some doctors there and 490 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: TRIPLEI and some and a special forces team that was 491 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 3: in TRIPLEI. Uh, they are injured. And then we waited 492 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: till about ten o'clock and we had to actually speak 493 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: to the Libyan Air Force to get a Liby and 494 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 3: see one thirty to fly us out of there around 495 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: ten thirty the next morning with the with the bodies, 496 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 3: which we we did make. We did finally get in 497 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: Bachelor Stevens body back and we had Sean pal. 498 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 1: I got a minute left in this segment, Tonto, how 499 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: did you get his body back? 500 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: A local local, the locals there, some our local friends 501 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: found his body at the at the hospital that Antosharia 502 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 3: had controlled. Managed to talk to them into giving his 503 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: body to him and they drove him back to us. 504 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: So he was found in the hospital that Antosharia has 505 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: controlled at control. And I be honest with you, I 506 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: don't know how he got to that hospital. I know 507 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: that Anchhal Sharia had his body and they managed to 508 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 3: give him back to us so we could fly him 509 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: back to TRIPLEY and get him home. 510 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: Had his body been mutilated? 511 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: No, I looked at it and I looked at it 512 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: from a foot away. I examined his entire body. He 513 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: looks fine. I also sam in the bag to make 514 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: sure there was any IDs on it, and me being 515 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: a ranger from the Blackhawk down days, I wanted to 516 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: make sure he wasn't mutilated. And also working at Blackwater 517 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: during those days that our guys were mutilated there, I 518 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: wanted to ensure that. So, no, it wasn't. 519 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: There were reports, I've got twenty seconds, there were reports 520 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: that his body was defiled in a sexual way. 521 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: That is absolutely not true. 522 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: That's not from what I saw now I did. I 523 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: didn't pull his pants down and look at his look 524 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: at his private all. I looked at from his space 525 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: and the rest of his body. But I'll tell you 526 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 3: the truth. I didn't look down and it didn't pull 527 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 3: his pants down. 528 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: All right. 529 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: Time to hold with us, Hold with us. He'll be 530 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: an Albany on September second. He'll be in Montgomery County 531 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Great Organization, the Montgomery County Republican Women's Organization. I've spoken 532 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: before them. On September twenty fourth, he'll be with us. 533 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: Coming up next, this is the Michael Berry Show. Chris 534 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: Perranto kr I s Peranto spelled pa r in t O. 535 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: Nicknamed Tonto. He'll be in Albany on September second. He'll 536 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: be in Montgomery County, north of Houston on September twenty fourth. 537 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: You can get all the details at Michael Berry dot com. 538 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: So Tonto, do y'all get on this. Do y'all get 539 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: on this h plane to get out of Benghazi? 540 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: And then what happens? 541 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: Well about that? You know that time, it was right 542 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: on ten thirty. That's that's it. We get there, we 543 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 3: were we're flying home and yeah, fret tired, I'm pretty 544 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 3: worre out from the night. But you're you're kind of 545 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: digesting things in your mind. You're flying. You know, we 546 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: didn't have body bags for all the guys, so you know, 547 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: we had sheets over Glenn and Tye and and Sean, 548 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: and you know, you're just you're just sitting with them 549 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: in there, and you're you're kind of thinking yourself, you know, what, 550 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: what the heck does happened? But in my mind, i'm, 551 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: you know, more or less, it's it's where where was 552 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: our support? What happened? What happened with that? Why are 553 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: we why are we sitting on a plane. Why did 554 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: we come and deer have to come to their own aircraft? 555 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: Get out there, and you think the negative things, but 556 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: then you come back to the positive things. You look 557 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: around and you see your buddies that are still with you, 558 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: and you just you get a feeling of uh, it's 559 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: it's a very very strong good feeling to know that 560 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: you got brothers that are willing to die for you, 561 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: and it's it's, uh, you know, I I try to 562 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: find the positives out of that, and it's it's it's 563 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: still It kind of brings a tear to my contest. 564 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: It kind of chokes me up right now just talking 565 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: about it, because you went through hell with your brothers. 566 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: You were left behind, you lost a couple of your brothers, 567 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: but you're still there with You still have friends that 568 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: are still alive and and that that sacrifice themselves for you, 569 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: and uh, you just don't get that anywhere else. I 570 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: miss it immensely. I I really missed the job immensely. 571 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: I would go over back again in a heartbeat and 572 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: do it all over again. 573 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: What does the American public not know about what happened 574 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: that night? That is most important for us to know? 575 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing. The politics are going to 576 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: play themselves out right, They're gonna they're gonna do what 577 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: they need to do. The partisan politics, I don't want 578 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: to get involved in. All that which American people don't 579 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 3: know is the heroism and the courage that went on 580 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: that night that has been lost, and that that upsets 581 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: me a bit because my friends sacrificed their lives. My 582 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: teammates sacrifice themselves to defend the American soil, to do 583 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: the right thing, and they gave themselves, they gave up themselves. 584 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: Some gave them one hundred percent and gave them all. 585 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: And uh, that's lost. And that's when I speak, that's 586 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: what I go into. I want be able to remember 587 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 3: the heroism, the courage that went on that night. And 588 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 3: and we have been involved with the movie immenseally that 589 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: Michael Bate coming out coming out with and I think 590 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: that's gonna really bring it to the American police, to 591 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: the people that this isn't all politics. These guys actually 592 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: sacrificed a lot, when through a lot to save others. 593 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: And and that's why I want people to remember and 594 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: know the most about is that there are still guys 595 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: out there that are willing to give their lives up 596 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 3: to protect others. And uh, and I think that's been 597 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: missed a lot the last two years because of all 598 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: the politics that have been drawn out with this. 599 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: I'm stumped. 600 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: What what lingering question do you have that is not 601 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: secured classified information that you can't share, but is a 602 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: question that you have and you just want it answered? 603 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 3: Well, now, I would have a question of within the 604 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: United States government, who knew what was going on that 605 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: night and why weren't the right decisions made and decisions 606 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: being support you know what? Who who who did not 607 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: allow support to come up or who made that decision? 608 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: And when we're where were certain fishes? Look, I would 609 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: there two points, Where were certain fishes located while this 610 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 3: was going on that night? You know? Where was the administration? 611 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: What was the State Department doing? And what was our 612 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: people autop Ci, Patres and Morrell doing when all this 613 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: was going on? What what were they doing throughout? I 614 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: would like to know that. Uh, the email controversy that's 615 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: out there, I think that's pretty much puts black and white. 616 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: If people can't see that, there's there's some shenanigans going 617 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 3: on with that. I don't know what else I can 618 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: do to help help the help consuay their minds the attack. 619 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Once the attack began, and you guys responded, what more 620 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: could have been done? 621 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I do still believe and I said 622 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 3: this to Dallison tell subcommittee, Mike Rodgers' committee, and they 623 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: didn't do us any favors at all either that if 624 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: we would have been turned loose, if they would have 625 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: let us do our job up and get out of 626 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: there and at least get eyes on of what was 627 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: going on or somehow get involved in the firefight. And 628 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 3: initially within the first five minutes we were ready and 629 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 3: master seeing the Shawn Smith will still be alive. So 630 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 3: making the right decisions would have been would have been 631 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 3: key by our leadership, which would have been letting the 632 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: subject matter experts with their which are us, get involved 633 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 3: with what was going on in a combat situation. My 634 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 3: other thing would be, wow, support, Where was the support? 635 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: Why didn't you allow the support the military guys that 636 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 3: were in the area that we knew in Sigonella and 637 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 3: I'll be on their base in Jibouti, Africa. You know 638 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 3: within hour, if even that two hours away, Why didn't 639 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: you let them get involved and if General Ham did 640 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: get his guys moving and they were turned around, and 641 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 3: I don't know for sure, I don't know for sure, 642 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 3: But if he did and they were turned around, why 643 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: did why were they turned around? That's my two big 644 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 3: questions right there. It's a military operation with the military, 645 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 3: and those that are involved in those imparamilitary operations handle it. 646 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: And the government officials that are want to be involved 647 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: get out of the way, and they muddy up everything. 648 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 3: And that's what they did that night, And now I 649 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 3: foresee as being a cover up, not just from one side, 650 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 3: but from both people on the political spectrum. But again, 651 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 3: I don't know how much I want to get into that, 652 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 3: because then I'm muddy the water up with getting in 653 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: the heroic acts that night that happened, and I want 654 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: people to see that, and then they can draw their 655 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 3: own conclusion of what they think happened and what should 656 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 3: have been done and what wasn't done, and what might 657 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: have been done correctly, what might not have been done directly, 658 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: Just be well informed. 659 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country, sir, and 660 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: thank you for your willingness to talk about it. I 661 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: know our folks in upstate New York will look forward 662 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: to seeing you on September second, and here in Montgomery 663 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 1: County on September twenty fourth, where you'll have more time 664 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: and no commercial interruption, where you can talk about it 665 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 1: at great link. 666 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, Tanto, Thanks Michael, I have a great day. 667 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on you sir. 668 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: You can go to Michael Berry dot com to get 669 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: the details, buy your tickets, bring your college students, bring 670 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: your teenagers, bring your friends, and learn more about a 671 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: very important date in American history from someone who was 672 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: actually there. 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