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<v Speaker 1>Lava for Good and Stand Together Music Present The War

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<v Speaker 1>on Drugs Podcast Season two. This season, we're diving deeper

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<v Speaker 1>into the real stories behind the War on drugs, its impact,

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<v Speaker 1>its failures, and the people offering a better path forward.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome to season two The War on Drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. Yeah, we're back at it, Greig English.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, man, we've been traveling quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've been going independently and together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to do some of these interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, a lot of what this season's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. You know, last year we are much more

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio kind of setting that basis.

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<v Speaker 2>For what the War on Drugs was and what we think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you summarize it so well when you

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<v Speaker 1>said that term, just like, it's not war on drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a war on people.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>The first season we kind of focused on the war

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<v Speaker 4>side of it, in the drug side of it and

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<v Speaker 4>the policy side of it, and of course we had,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, actual people who are affected by this. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think we lean a lot more into the people

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<v Speaker 4>with this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Their trials, their tribulations, them going through their own war

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs, either through the criminal justice system, the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 2>It's musicians, it's athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a wide swath of people and really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>folks that you're going to hear a side of them

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<v Speaker 1>that you probably didn't know about before. Yeah, we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of want to bring that after all the doom and

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<v Speaker 1>fucking gloomy brought.

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<v Speaker 4>To Yeah, with the war on rugs, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 4>avoid the impact it has, and you know that's a part.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we talked to Liz Carmuch. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>veteran MMA fighter, just stone cold assassin.

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<v Speaker 2>Her nickname is Yeah, she was, she was amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and she uses CBD as part of her recovery process.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>She was explaining how it helps with inflammation.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is illegal in some places, like hemp is illegal.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh still and yeah, and I remember last time we

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about how the reclassification of the scheduling of

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<v Speaker 4>marijuana would kind of open up more things that we

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<v Speaker 4>could kind of see what would work in these places.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody's really taking what they're learning from the state, each

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<v Speaker 4>individual state and applying it to the federal level.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you think that would change?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's kind of this thing where they both

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<v Speaker 1>work off each other, Right, So, for those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the federal government still classifies cannabis as a Schedule

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<v Speaker 1>one drug, which means it is the highest level of scheduling.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the same with coke, is.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually now right, yeah, which is yeah, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Unless you do cocaine. Maybe you think it's right where

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<v Speaker 4>it needs.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye yeah, yeah that's fair. Yeah, that's that looks about right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, fair enough, good job, right, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so cannabis is scheduled there with heroin.

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<v Speaker 1>It says it has no medical value and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a highly likely to you know, for abuse, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it says. And so there has been a

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<v Speaker 1>big effort at the federal level to deschedule completely where

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<v Speaker 1>the Feds would just almost like alcohol is where they

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<v Speaker 1>would regulate it, but on like the food side to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure there's lot poison, not like you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other end of like criminalizing it, just regulation. But

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<v Speaker 1>what they're going to do is what the government does

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<v Speaker 1>all the time is like try to hit this middle

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<v Speaker 1>road of rescheduling it, make it schedule three. Schedule three

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of like you know, it's if you

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<v Speaker 1>get cough medicine with coding, you know, you need a

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<v Speaker 1>prescription or some sort of verification.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just get over the counter or have it recreational.

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<v Speaker 1>So but it says, hey, there is some medical value here,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some risk of abuse. So this is where it's at.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the issues with all of that is one,

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<v Speaker 1>when it's completely Schedule one, it's a criminal offense to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything with anything around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Around it, so all the business aspects to it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're a plumber that wants to work on the toilet

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<v Speaker 1>in in a cannabis shop, like you could potentially be

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, it's all these things, banks all you

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<v Speaker 1>can't put your money in there, like all these different

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<v Speaker 1>things that impact it. Because the Feds still say that right,

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<v Speaker 1>research all of that stuff. So even if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>voter and you're in a community, we say this is

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<v Speaker 1>how we want to live and this is what we've

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<v Speaker 1>looked at. We have medical prescribe with all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>the Feds can say this is all legal, because it is.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all living in crime right now. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to you know be Real from Cypress Hill, who's

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<v Speaker 1>not only amazing rap artist, still his amazing entrepreneur in

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<v Speaker 1>the cannabis industry and has different places in different states,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about the complications and not only just

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<v Speaker 1>so much running in LA, but running another you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Because there's no uniform way to do the packaging has

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<v Speaker 4>to be one way here, it has to be another way, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not only the cannabis aspects that we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we talked a lot about psychedelics. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. There's been a lot of you know, great

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<v Speaker 1>movement there, but there's also been some setbacks and we

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<v Speaker 1>have some great conversations with people that have experimented with

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<v Speaker 1>them and experienced some amazing results, and we get into

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<v Speaker 1>all that this season too, But also how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the policy is still kind of pushing this down and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to see the full benefits of maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some of the medical things that we could see. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have so many soldiers come back from war right

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<v Speaker 1>now with PTSD and you know, post COVID and all

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<v Speaker 1>these things where treatment could be incredibly beneficial and again

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<v Speaker 1>a step back.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a big part why hearing these stories is important, because,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, you can hear the information and you

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<v Speaker 4>can see it and it's easy to just oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>these people just want to get hide. This is right,

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<v Speaker 4>this is one thing. But when you actually hear people's

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<v Speaker 4>experience and how it's helped them and how it's benefited

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<v Speaker 4>them and how they've been able to help other people,

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<v Speaker 4>it changes your whole perspective. And I think it's got

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<v Speaker 4>to be respected, just because these are people that we

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<v Speaker 4>say we care about and that we look up to,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think people just try to always go to

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<v Speaker 4>the back, to the reefer madness. It's people that want

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<v Speaker 4>to get hide at once to abuse drugs. And yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure there is that, and that's never not going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a thing. It doesn't matter if you change

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<v Speaker 4>the laws on that. People are still gonna find a

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<v Speaker 4>way to go around the legal things. But if you

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<v Speaker 4>have a chance to actually help people that need the

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<v Speaker 4>help and it doesn't change anything on the other side,

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<v Speaker 4>why would you not do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree at least get it out there to

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<v Speaker 1>let's just lay it on the table, like what works,

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<v Speaker 1>what doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like these are people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, one of my favorite experiences on kind

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<v Speaker 1>of our tour here talking to people was speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>John Osborne.

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<v Speaker 2>You know from the Brothers Osbourne. I grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>an Apples, Maryland.

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<v Speaker 1>He grew up, like, you know, thirty minutes south of

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<v Speaker 1>me and deal and just seeing this big, old, scruffy

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<v Speaker 1>dude with like the lowest voice in the world, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talking very generally about you know, suicidal thoughts and psilocybin

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<v Speaker 1>and how reached out to a friend helped him and

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<v Speaker 1>a real amazing moment for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope you all listen to that episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Was anything like from the tour, like anything that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to you, I mean, not given too much, but.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, yeah, yeah, I got to listen to him

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<v Speaker 4>hit the actual details.

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<v Speaker 3>But just.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Ricky Williams sitting down with him, that's somebody who's

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<v Speaker 4>had his story told by other people. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>see this when I watched all the stories about him.

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<v Speaker 3>He quit because of weed.

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<v Speaker 4>He wanted to smoke someone, and his thing was he

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<v Speaker 4>just had to be He wanted to be honest about

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<v Speaker 4>what was going on and how it was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said once he started doing that, it freed

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<v Speaker 4>up a lot of stuff for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and being honest from all directions is where we

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<v Speaker 1>really want to take it, not only the benefits, but

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<v Speaker 1>what are the risks?

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<v Speaker 2>What is safe practice? What does that look like? Who

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<v Speaker 2>do you need to talk to?

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<v Speaker 1>Like all these things are important because really when things

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<v Speaker 1>get out there and it's like, oh, this is all great,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's wonderful, you can do whatever you want, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>we see these slide backs because people weren't being honest

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<v Speaker 1>the other way too, and so like it takes everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>The effects of it. Yeah, as you wanted it to

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<v Speaker 4>appear a certain way. And so if everybody's just like

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, like Ricky said, be honest, or like

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<v Speaker 4>other guests, be real.

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<v Speaker 3>Be real, just be real man.

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<v Speaker 2>Be real is the coolest man I've ever met of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think you know you're talking about be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no one more honest than with you than

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<v Speaker 1>like your friends and family. And you know, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to two people that went through struggled with addiction, still

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<v Speaker 1>are going through their things. To musicians Brent Smith and

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus King. You might remember Brent Smith from Shining Down, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>from BacT just an amazing artist. We had a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with him, really cool just to hear like his story

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<v Speaker 1>of recovery and where he's at. And then Marcus King,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of talking about what he calls and

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<v Speaker 1>what people call like California sober, which you don't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, but he does smoke cannabis. So it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and we want to tell these stories from people that

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<v Speaker 1>struggled with substances are trying to you know, work their

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<v Speaker 1>way and recovery and what that looked like and what helped.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, the be honest, it's their friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family. The community that was around them that you

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<v Speaker 1>see was what helped the success. It was a teacher

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<v Speaker 1>for Marcus, it was you know, Brent's managers, these people

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<v Speaker 1>around them that if they weren't there and that social

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<v Speaker 1>network wasn't there, who knows where they'd be. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>getting thrown into a tank and being told like sober

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<v Speaker 1>up and clean up and then make things that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be okay. And so I just thought those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations to show you know, what addiction is, how people

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<v Speaker 1>are dealing with it, and how important it is to

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<v Speaker 1>have those people around you have honesty, love, respect, the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we all need for everything.

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<v Speaker 4>People always think we're advocating for drugs right. And when

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<v Speaker 4>you hear advocating, you think advocating for drug use, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's not advocating.

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<v Speaker 3>Once again, we're back to the people.

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<v Speaker 4>We're advocating like, yes, if people need cannabis, yes, but

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<v Speaker 4>also we're advocated for people when they're trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>off of drugs, when they're trying to get off of

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<v Speaker 4>a substance, when they're trying to recover, when they're trying

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<v Speaker 4>to rehab well. I think it can easily be looked

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<v Speaker 4>at by people that don't want any progress to be well,

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<v Speaker 4>they just want people to have drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it shows how our solutions of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are this one size fits all approach and what's good

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<v Speaker 1>for me is not gonna be good for you and

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<v Speaker 1>hitting it at the right time. And there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that we can have that type of you know aspects

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<v Speaker 1>with some one size fits all approach that we've been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pushing on this and having a right and

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<v Speaker 1>a wrong. There's just this array And I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>comes out in a lot of these interviews and hopes

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<v Speaker 1>that opens some people's eyes to be like, hey, these

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<v Speaker 1>are people like you said, I trust and respect, and

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<v Speaker 1>I get to hear their stories and it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, advocating for use. Like you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>try to hit a lot of different parts of this

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<v Speaker 1>as you can tell, Like there's a lot of moving aspects,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going in the right direction and hopefully we can shine

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<v Speaker 2>light a little bit on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's all we're trying to do here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the whole thing about this is about hearing from

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<v Speaker 4>people how it's going to affect people and the benefits

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<v Speaker 4>that it has for people. Man, were really excited for

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<v Speaker 4>y'all to hear it, and yeah, let's get into with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait.

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