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Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles with James McDonald Jr.

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Speaker 1: And Allen Tomanso on the digital Soapbux Network material Witness

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Speaker 1: on an Aggregated battery, I was a hang gun and

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Speaker 1: um they believe this might be in retaliation to our testimony.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of The Gangster Chronicles. You're listening to Alex Alonso

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Speaker 1: from Street Gangs dot Com a k a. Street TV,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with my co host James McDonald. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here with Big James McDonald and you are listening to

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Speaker 1: episode thirty eight of The Gangster Chronicles. And if you're

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to continue bringing you this amazing content.

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Speaker 1: But let me start off with we had Nino Cappuccino

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Speaker 1: on episode third six. A couple episodes. I just want

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Speaker 1: to do a quick fact check. You know, talked about

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Speaker 1: the Nickerson Gardens one thousand and sixty six housing units

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Speaker 1: in the UH in those projects, and he's correct, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't put it in context with the other projects.

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Speaker 1: So the Nickson Gardens has one thousand and sixty six units,

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Speaker 1: the Jordan Downs has seven hundred units, the Imperial Courts

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Speaker 1: has four hundred and ninety eight units, and has the

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Speaker 1: Village has three eight units. So that kind of puts

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Speaker 1: it in context how large the Nickerson's are. They're the largest. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it's the largest. Here's another thing, the largest urban housing

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Speaker 1: development west of the Mississippi River. And you know you

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Speaker 1: gotta get to New York and Chicago to the to

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Speaker 1: those big ones. So um, it's it's huge and and

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Speaker 1: and when you think about the size of the projects,

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Speaker 1: that gives you an idea of how big the gangs are.

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Speaker 1: The Boundy Hunters are by far the largest gang in

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Speaker 1: Watts right. The second largest gang would be the Grape

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Speaker 1: Streets in the Jordan Downs, and then Imperial Courts and

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Speaker 1: and they're a little smaller. But then you get when

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Speaker 1: all based on the the size of the projects. Well,

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Speaker 1: and then You gotta look at it too, because all

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Speaker 1: of those guys that they represented Grape Street don't live

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Speaker 1: in Grape Streets. They live in different areas, you know.

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Speaker 1: But they just claimed they claimed that hood. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: you don't know how many it is. Now here's another

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Speaker 1: interesting fact check from that episode with Nino Cappuccino. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Nino knows this, but he didn't want to go

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Speaker 1: too much into his his project, his film. But the

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Speaker 1: Nickerson Gardens was actually built by brother the brothers and architect.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a compounder something like that. Nah.

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Speaker 1: This brother, the brother built the projects. His name is

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Speaker 1: Um Paul Revere Williams, and he not only did he

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Speaker 1: design the Nickerson Gardens, but he actually designed houses to

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Speaker 1: throughout southern California during those years. All right, um, your

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Speaker 1: boy O. J. Simpson is only up to nine hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty four thousand followers on Twitter. He only went

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Speaker 1: What's going on James this slack slow motion to get

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Speaker 1: to that ship. And it don't matter, like like me,

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Speaker 1: let o J. Simpson do his thing. Why is he

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Speaker 1: trying to get to that point? What is it gonna do? Point?

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Speaker 1: I should be relaxed somewhere, sitting back, chilling. He shouldn't

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Speaker 1: even be on no Instagram, no Facebook, none of that, ship, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: none of that. He needs to kick back. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: But I mean we're doing this thing. He's doing this thing. Man,

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Speaker 1: He's posting videos about football and all that good stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he's what seventy something years Oh, I

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Speaker 1: know you want him to just go into some corner

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Speaker 1: and go into a rocket just here. I just say this.

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Speaker 1: You've been through so much in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 1: You've been through so much. Yeah, I mean you have

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Speaker 1: to think, man, let me let me just relax. You

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Speaker 1: I feel where you're coming from. But you know, this

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Speaker 1: black motherfuckers don't know how to act. But you won regardless.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you won. You did

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Speaker 1: you still old J Simpson the same thing. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's move on. Um. We got a guest today, man,

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Speaker 1: say quite a few people in the hip hop industry.

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Speaker 1: And some of you guys probably already know who I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. But we have Lauren Noriega in the house.

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Speaker 1: A k A. Nori. What's up, guys, Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me for sure, thanks for coming down. Uh, let's just

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Speaker 1: get a little bit of about your background. Um, where'd

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Speaker 1: of Olympic right. Yeah. Yeah, they got the innocence project

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Speaker 1: just it all worked out. Okay, Well, we're gonna dedicate

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Speaker 1: this episode of The Gangster Chronicles to the law, James,

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Speaker 1: So we want to educate a lot of people about

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Speaker 1: let's do it. And you're always posting videos about different

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Speaker 1: Um the felony murder rule. I believe that's SB one

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Speaker 1: eight seven seven, where retroactively some brothers that were just

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Speaker 1: so some states still have the felony murder rule and

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Speaker 1: basically it a lot shame on those states. Shame on

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Speaker 1: a man. Yeah. It basically allowed prosecutors to present a

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Speaker 1: basically saying, you know, if if you're involved in a

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Speaker 1: And so that allowed them to convict based on that

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Speaker 1: Is there retrial opportunities not? I mean, you're not petitioning

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Speaker 1: it's case by case and all the judges are ruling differently.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the d a's are even arguing that four

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Speaker 1: in a way that makes it more clear on that issue.

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Speaker 1: But that's a huge issue going on right now with

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Speaker 1: fourteen thirty seven that I don't think the California legislature

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Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of paperwork, and you can

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Speaker 1: these rappers and all these entertainers. I've seen you post

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Speaker 1: and stuff. I think something with Snoop Bosco, Um, who else? Um,

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Speaker 1: had he had a number. His maximum thirty seven years,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years, twenty four months. James thirty seven years,

427
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Speaker 1: twenty four months. He's the biggest done game on the planet.

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Speaker 1: It was smart. He did his thing and he got

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Speaker 1: out of it. Now we got to briefly talk about

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Speaker 1: Reggie Wright Jr. Because we we debated this right here

431
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Speaker 1: in the studio. And he said he was gonna get

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Speaker 1: at least five, six, seven years. And I think, if

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Speaker 1: I remember correctly, I said the most. He'll probably get

434
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Speaker 1: his three, but um, he can get less than that.

435
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Speaker 1: And what did Reggie say to me? Well, Reggie, Reggie

436
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: was like, no, But Reggie is looking at it from

437
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Speaker 1: the police perspective. You know what I'm saying. No, I know,

438
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: I dealt with a lot of cats like that. I

439
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna get. But this is federal ship

440
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: and this is Lou Lou High grade. So he was wrong.

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00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: He was definitely he called that shot wrong. Two years,

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Speaker 1: two years. That that tells everybody that if you got

443
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Speaker 1: a good story, you might be walking up out of

444
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Speaker 1: here and a lot of cats gonna go to jail

445
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Speaker 1: behind that. So on a twenty four months sentence is

446
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Speaker 1: twenty months, Well, Feds, you have to do the whole thing.

447
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: There's no no years. And let's make a bet. Let's

448
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Speaker 1: make I'm making a bet with maybe there's maybe there's

449
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Speaker 1: a maybe it's different amongst different jurisdictions. I don't know.

450
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Speaker 1: Well no, because the Feds. Right, well, no, there's not

451
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's different circuits and let you know what

452
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean. But when you go, when you get sentenced, um,

453
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Speaker 1: there's no different sentencing. You're in New York or Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: You got your high Let me see. So that gives

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Speaker 1: him about five months. Okay, yeah, let me let me

456
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: do the math on this real quick. So he already

457
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Speaker 1: has a thirteen months and and seven point four months.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, and if he's eligible for some of the programs,

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Speaker 1: he can get um a couple more months knocked off,

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Speaker 1: just like for example, Reggie, he's going he's taking his

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Speaker 1: released datas February one, but he's eligible for a program

462
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Speaker 1: that might get him released in September. So that shaves

463
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Speaker 1: off uh September, October, November, December, January. That shaves off

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Speaker 1: five months off of his sentence. With so, I guarantee

465
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Speaker 1: you Daniel Hernandez a k A. Takashi six nine is eligible.

466
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Speaker 1: He's probably eligible for some program because it's a low sentence.

467
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Speaker 1: So even though he's got seven point four months left

468
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Speaker 1: on his sentence, he might be able to get out sooner.

469
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Speaker 1: Than that. What do you think, Nori. I know you're

470
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: looking stuff there. He might I mean, you know, he

471
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Speaker 1: might be eligible for certain credits. You you know, you

472
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Speaker 1: never know the I mean, the fact of the matter

473
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: is he's not going to do much time in there.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's going to get out before we all

475
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: know it. Okay, so if we calculate his releases in July,

476
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: but if he's eligible for program, I'm gonna predict this

477
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: guy is gonna get out of federal custody. Maybe may

478
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: you think this spring? Yeah, and uh, he'll get back

479
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: on on track. Um. But yeah, as the last I

480
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: checked it was, But correct me if I'm wrong, or

481
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Speaker 1: if there's other information out there that we could educate

482
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: our listeners with regards. Yeah, I'm looking into that. I

483
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: don't let me see the sensing reform federal sentencing eligible

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Speaker 1: for release. Yeah, so because you know in uh, you know,

485
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: in California, we haven't structured that. It's like fifty eight five. Um, yeah,

486
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: there's different tiers, right, right, So all I know is

487
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: that you know, federal isn't set up that way with

488
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: the fifty eight eighty five. But um, you may be

489
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Speaker 1: correct with the just the five being the only number

490
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: in terms of federal sentence. The last I checked. Um,

491
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: and I've worked on a few of these fair cases myself.

492
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: And the MINUS programs that you're eligible. Right then, the

493
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: and the b OP has um wide discretion in you know,

494
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: giving credits and stuff like that. Now, James mentioned a

495
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: moment ago about going pro bono. I think she met

496
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Speaker 1: pro se. Oh pro well, it's talking about pro bono

497
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Speaker 1: for a minute, because pro bonos when you decide I

498
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Speaker 1: don't want a lawyer, I'm going to defend myself. Yeah,

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00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: pro bono No, no, I'm you're right. Pro Bono is

500
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: when you're doing it for free, right, Um, No, it's um,

501
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: when you become your own lawyer. It's proceed Yes, Okay,

502
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Most lawyers don't recommend defendant to

503
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: do that proper. That's what it is. It's proper. It's proper, alright.

504
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: So let's we just confused everybody. We just confused everyone.

505
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: So let's go through these Latin terms. Let's let's define

506
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: pro bono. What is profle bono is when an attorney

507
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: takes the case for free. It's like charity. You know,

508
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to require you to pay a retainer

509
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: for my services. Correct, And you don't have to be

510
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: in a lawyer to do pro bono. The consultant could

511
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: go pro bono. It's just giving free services. Exactly. Now

512
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned pro se um. What is that one? Exactly?

513
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Pro se and proper believe they're interchangeable. Per se and

514
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: proper the same thing. Okay, but we're talking about but appropriate.

515
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: So that's so that's when somebody's like, you know what,

516
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have an attorney represent me. I'm

517
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: going to represent myself now, Jacks, when you was in

518
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: custody back in the eighties, did you ever have a

519
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: home the saying, man, f these lawyers, I'm gonna do

520
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: it myself. I'm gonna go a lot of them, a

521
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of them. And the first thing, you just say,

522
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: you represent yourself. You're the biggest dummy. In a smarter way,

523
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: they say that. They say that I understanding because you know,

524
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: a lot of guys make a lot of mistakes in jail,

525
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: because they listened to that guy in the next cell

526
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Speaker 1: that that that claim he know the law and this

527
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: and that, and then you got you got so many

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00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: jailhouse lawyers in there, and you got it may giving

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00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: up soup, cigarettes and everything else back then for him

530
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Speaker 1: to look at his paperwork and see if you can

531
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Speaker 1: find a loophole and all this other ship, because you know,

532
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: some guys, i'd really take a chance with myself. Then

533
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Speaker 1: having his lawyer sitting next to me and won't allow

534
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: me to say what I say are let me tell

535
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: him just where they're wrong. Get you know what I'm saying,

536
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: and and and you're doing life in prisons. So if

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00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get life in prison on mine as well,

538
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, even as an attorney, I wouldn't

539
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: represent myself. It's just it's just not wise. You feel

540
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: like you have no choice because nobody's listening to you,

541
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, being on the on the handside and being

542
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: the one that's going to lose his life, you feel like, man,

543
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna lose my life, I'm not gonna let

544
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: them take it with me just sitting in his chair.

545
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna be by my hands. Let me make that mistake.

546
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: But I can get up and say and speak on

547
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: what I think the differences between this case and a

548
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: lot of them do it. And the problem with that, though,

549
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: is that they don't understand you know the rules of

550
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: evidence and admissibility and and also your emotions too, right,

551
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: emotions on you don't know how to object And yeah,

552
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's just so, it's just not wise. But

553
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: that's why they need a program for for guys that

554
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: want to represent theirselves, even give them a paralegal to

555
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: deal with in jail and jails certain, that would be

556
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. That's liability though, that's really opening

557
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: up like whoever would provide the program, Like you're opening

558
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: yourself up to liability just knowing, like how much I

559
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: had to learn in law school and how difficult to

560
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: barge down with that. Okay, here's my question, Mari. Why

561
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: do they have law libraries in the prisons and in

562
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: custody facilities for the inmates to use if they're not

563
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: going to be taught how to use them. Yeah, and

564
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fair argument, for sure, that's a

565
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: fair But books, right, And I don't know what the

566
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: heck is in these books, but they're there for me

567
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: to use, right, James, But I don't know how to

568
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: use them. They got they got some guys in there

569
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: that know how to use figured out a lot of

570
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: guys get out of jail. Yeah, you don't technicalities, but

571
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: the average inmate is not going to get those sources.

572
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: The average inmate don't know how to read and understand

573
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: what that's like reading the Bible. Yeah, you don't understand.

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00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: And a lot of you know, a lot of inmates

575
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: are are illiterate. A lot of inmates don't even know

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00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: how to read and write. You never get, especially all

577
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: the different penal codes and different ships. You go to courting.

578
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: You're talking about Johnson versus Hamilton's, and then you're talking

579
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: about the cat the dog. You don't know that just brief,

580
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: just an example. I mean, you're basically in a no

581
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: win situation when you go to jail on defending yourself.

582
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: And and I guarantee you every guy out there that's

583
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: been sitting in there and been facing over five can

584
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: honestly say, man, I've been to do at least five

585
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: and don't you ain't got a choice. You ain't got

586
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: a choice, And the system is basically set set you

587
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: up for it. You can't win the bill. They know

588
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna be able to bill out. Yeah, so

589
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: they make you sit seven eight months while you're going

590
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: to court if you ain't gonna take this deal. But

591
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day, when all that

592
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: ship doesn't expired and it's time to go to trial,

593
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: they come and actually, do you want to take woo

594
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: woo woo right before trial? And it's that's the coldest

595
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: set up they have, you know what I'm saying. Instead

596
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: of fifteen, take the seven stopcats don't do that, and

597
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: then they're sitting in there with fifteen of life and

598
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: then try to come back. I want the original deal

599
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: to seven years. You can't do it on the table anymore.

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00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: You lose. Well, here's the way you completely throw a

601
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: wrench in the justice system. Is one thing that defendants

602
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: can do and it will completely dismantle the justice system.

603
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: And this is what it is. No one take a deal,

604
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: No one take a deal. Can you imagine everyone says trial, trial, trial,

605
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: because the system is not designed for everyone to go

606
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: to trial, right, Well, a lot of people would be

607
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: getting off for violation of speedy trial rights because the

608
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: d a s would be asking for more time, more time,

609
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: more time. And if the client, if the defendant isn't

610
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: waving time, then a lot they can get it dismissed. Dismissed.

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: The problem with that, though, is that the d A

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00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: I believe, has two chances to refile. So I've seen

613
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: them do that. I've seen them like they're not prepared

614
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and they know that they are violating the defendant speedy trial, right,

615
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: so they'll dismiss it and then they'll refile because then

616
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: it starts the clock over, not dismissing. What do you

617
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: think of that, though? Imagine if every defendant went to

618
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: the trial and demanded a speedy trial. I mean, it

619
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: sounds good when you say it, but there's also you know,

620
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: like there are also defendants. I have clients that have

621
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: gotten deals of a lifetime and I'm like, oh, yeah,

622
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: like you would definitely want to take that deal. Well, well, yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: sometimes you do get some some sweet deals, Like I've

624
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: gotten some amazing deals, have gotten some Wow. You're looking

625
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: at it as from an individual perspective. I'm looking at

626
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: it as the entire synthetic. Yeah, as a systematic problem.

627
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Everyone go to trial, everyone demanded trial. You gotta write

628
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: to a speedy trial, and you'll be seeing dismissals and

629
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: even if they want to refile, they you still have

630
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: new cases coming through the system and refiling is not

631
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: gonna help because you still got a bunch of more

632
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: new cases that just came in. And what DearS are

633
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to do is say, all right, what am

634
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: I going to prosecute or what am I not going

635
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Speaker 1: to prosecute? And those that she decides or he decides

636
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: not to prosecute will get dismissing. I mean, I wish

637
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: that they would really take a look at what they're

638
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: filing to begin with, because sometimes, you know, I'll get

639
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: a case and I'm like, wow, y'all didn't even read

640
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: this discovery first before filing this, did you? Like? You know,

641
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: they just file anything, and I'm like, there's some cases right,

642
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: or they're just so weak that I'm like what, why,

643
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Like why would you file this? You know? Sometimes I

644
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: really think they don't even read it. Well. It seems

645
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: like whatever it takes to get a guilty verdict and

646
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: a maximum sentence is what they'll do. Am I right

647
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: or wrong? It depends. Every case is different, Every every

648
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: d A is different. Some of them. Yes, I've worked

649
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: on cases, and I will say this, every single prosecutor

650
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: on those cases were trying to max out the defendant

651
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: and get a guilty verdict even with limited to no evidence.

652
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I will say that because I've seen it. Well. Know,

653
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: for example, if in the middle of a trial, we

654
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: have evidence that this guy wasn't the shooter. In fact,

655
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: we have information that this other person that you never

656
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: questioned is the shooter. Care they don't care at that point,

657
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: they're all in. They're not gonna say all your We

658
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: moved to dismiss this case because we just came across

659
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: some very valuable information. That's just that this guy is

660
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: completely innocent and that we're pursuing the wrong guy. That's

661
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Nah. And that's how I've seen that

662
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: happen like a dozen or more times in the last

663
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: five years. I think they do it for like their career,

664
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you know, being bumped up

665
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: in the business or whatever. You know, a lot of

666
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: people got a lot of all deals with the d A. Okay, Well,

667
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this very important question on expungements. Now, imagine, James,

668
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: if you can get your previous conviction expunged. I'm not

669
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: sure if you're eligible. There's all these weird rules, but

670
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: we'll have norid. I'm sure you know a little bit

671
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: about expungements because you have a you have a felony conviction,

672
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: but but it hampers you sometimes depending on what you

673
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: want to do. For example, you can't go buy a gun. Well,

674
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: I've been out. I've been out of out of the

675
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: penitentiary for thirty one years now, so I feel that

676
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: you should be able to live your life as a

677
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: non felon. At this point, they're not doing that. They

678
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: this is gonna stay with me for the us of

679
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: our lights and less. I'll give you my card. Is

680
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: that true? Can you speak on that? Yeah? So, I

681
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: mean it. It depends on what you're trying to do.

682
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: So in order, we'll start with the twelve or three

683
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: point four emotions, with which are expungement motions. UM. You

684
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: are eligible to expunge a conviction if you were not

685
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: sentenced to state prison. UM. So for example, you know

686
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: you're sentenced to county or probation and you fulfilled your

687
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: obligations under that, you can move to expunge it. Now.

688
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Obviously there are people who have felony convictions where they

689
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: were sentenced to state prison and they want to get

690
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: that cleaned up. One of the options you can do

691
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: is file a certificate of rehabilitation in the county in

692
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: which you reside. So you live in l A, you

693
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: would file it Downtown Department one hundred. Um, you get

694
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, character reference letters. Together, we discuss, Look, you've

695
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: been out for thirty one years. This is what you're

696
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: doing with your life now, you know, you your family man,

697
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, YadA. Um. And and if the judge grants it,

698
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: then that acts as a recommendation of as a pardon

699
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: to the governor. Um. But but getting the c o R,

700
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: the certificate of rehabilitation granted, that alone restores your gun rights.

701
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: So that's an option. So going you know the CR

702
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: or the part the pardon route, you know you can

703
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: potentially still do that. Well, I'm wonder's gonna care my

704
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: gun with me? Would regardless and I don't need a

705
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: piece of paper triumpan, But I definitely, I mean just

706
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: to be clean and cleared. I mean that's been a

707
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: long time. But um, they told me only like you

708
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: had said, the misdemeanorship, I don't they charged me. Um

709
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: what they call it? Um lord that musty. I got

710
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: into it with a police officer. I told him to

711
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: take off his gun in badge, and I whoop is

712
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: that they talk me to jail and and fifty tho

713
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: dollar bill fifty dollars just because of my my history.

714
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: I stayed in jail three months fighting this. So they

715
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: wind up saying a year probation, giving you your in probation,

716
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: ship me home, walk right out to the door. I

717
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: had to go back to the county jail. Didn't get released.

718
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: But it's so ridiculous, a terrorist threat. We are, we're here,

719
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: hi am I. Why would you look at me like that?

720
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: To grow me in? Talking shi? You the police come

721
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: do what you're gonna do, take that badge off. But

722
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: I'll be chad now. He waited to four more cars came. Okay,

723
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: I know I ain't gonna win this one. You know

724
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Put your hands up, y'alla, y'all to

725
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: rough you up a little bit, and I go to jail.

726
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: Terrorist threat. He didn't have enough to charge me with.

727
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: I said, beat your ass and I and I had.

728
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: I was three months and and I got a year

729
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: probation after that, So I had to walk a thin

730
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: line for the probation. You know what I'm saying, not

731
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: summary probation for formal probation. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But

732
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: they just wanted to try to funk with me and

733
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: and this as long as they gotta tell and they

734
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: got to check it on you, it don't matter. They

735
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: know where you ad and what you're doing. And if

736
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: they want to pull your name up and say this

737
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: fits him, they can't come funk with you, Comdent and

738
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: anywhere else. It's been like that. Can you go into

739
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: detail on what exactly is a terrorist threat, like as

740
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: what it can be, as minor, as something it could

741
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: be just like that. Yeah, I see it happen all

742
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: the time. And it's really comes down to it's the

743
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: discretion of the d A. I mean, because what happens

744
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: is the you know, the cops right up the report.

745
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: In any investigation, the cops right up the report they

746
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: handed off to the d A. The DA is supposed

747
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: to look at it and say, okay, there's sufficient evidence

748
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: here to potentially secure conviction, or no, there's really not,

749
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: or they can even look at it and say, okay,

750
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: his rights were violated, and so that's you know, we're

751
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: gonna lose that one. So I mean, how would how

752
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: would you defend James that terrorist. Well, the First Amendment

753
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: isn't really I mean, that's not a defense to that charge,

754
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, because but but you but there's a carve out.

755
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: You don't have the right to to threaten people. You

756
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: can't say fire right in a in a building, right,

757
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: you can't. There's certain things you can't say. Yeah, so

758
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what one of the one

759
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: of the things you could have done is file motions

760
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: to get like the disciplinary records of the cops involved,

761
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: and so if they have a record or a pattern

762
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: of dishonesty and lying or falsifying reports, then that could

763
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: have been leverage um either for negotiating or if you

764
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: took it to trial, that would be impeachment evidence. So

765
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: there are different routes. Every case is different, and you know,

766
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say without seeing the discoverage. You

767
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: have a right to take you to jail if you

768
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: if you uh say, I whoope, your ass not I

769
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: killed you mean, yeah, he did right, right? I mean

770
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he's right. I think that that's like

771
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: some pussy ship thank you, But you know they do it.

772
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. I mean, if he felt

773
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: threatened by me with his job because their job is

774
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: beyond my conversation. You know what I'm saying for number one,

775
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: man and man speaking, you shouldn't be offended. If you offended,

776
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: then you're gonna use your job to do what you

777
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: want to do to to make my give me a

778
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: bad day. Now I'm having a bad day because you

779
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: pissed off because I talked to you. Out of the the way.

780
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: Put me in your car, take me around the corner.

781
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Whoop my ask my lesson. I won't say no more

782
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: because the next one might be worse, and we could.

783
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: But you're taking my jail and you can have a

784
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: terrorist threat. Well you know that's how they play. They

785
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: use the system. I mean, they shouldn't be able to

786
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: use it like that. And you should have a d

787
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: A or assistant of a d A to look through

788
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: these cases to say, come on this, put all the

789
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: best ones over here and all the ones that serious.

790
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: They go bad when you take these right here and

791
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: put a release on them. D A. G Rejack do

792
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: something with that type of ship. Because people going to

793
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: jail for spinning on the ground, it ain't cool. People

794
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: going to jail for jaywalking, crossing the street is the

795
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: light red. They're taking you to jail for it. Pay

796
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bucks you can get out. Come on.

797
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: Is it true that you can get a sexual uh

798
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: case for urinating in public? I've never seen. I've never

799
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: said if you want to go pee in the bush,

800
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: you know you have to go, there's nowhere to go.

801
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: You take a piss in the bush, the police pull

802
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: up and see, that's uh, dispose something if you get

803
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: convicted for it. I heard you got to register as

804
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: a sex offender. I don't know. I don't know that

805
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: registration on that offense is mandatory. Um, that may be

806
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: one of the one of the types of charges where

807
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: it's like discretionary, where I mean, I would never take

808
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: a deal that included that. That's kind of silly, And

809
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like an old wives, old

810
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: wives tale that kind of maybe used to happen a

811
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: little bit in the past. I've never personally seen that happen.

812
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: I heard, I actually read it recently got me nervous

813
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: because I had to take a piss in the bush

814
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: the other day and all I was thinking about is, man,

815
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: I hope the police don't pull up the case I

816
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: do that. I would if I could, I would. And

817
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: you know what, back in the day when I was

818
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: like a little party monster, like when I was in

819
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: my early twenties, I used to pop a squad anywhere anywhere. Man,

820
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got a drip drag. Alright, I want to

821
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: know what exactly are we required to do as citizens

822
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: when the l A, p D or any other of

823
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: these local law enforcement entities pull us over for a

824
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: traffic stop. What are we required? What is the minimum

825
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: we're required to do? You have to provide um, I D.

826
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: That's minimum. You have to give them your driver's license. Okay,

827
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: Now what if I said I don't ask your questions? You, Yeah,

828
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to answer questions about your day, or

829
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: where you're going or where you're coming from. You don't

830
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: have to answer any of that. But it is required

831
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: by law to show your driver's you have a license

832
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: to drive the vehicle. But anything other than that, I

833
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: don't have to answer. Correct. You probably also got to

834
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: give me a registration an insurance. I mean, if you

835
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: have it, it it would be silly not to. And that's

836
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: one thing you and I am Reggie had the differences.

837
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: And my thing is looking at all of these videos

838
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: that that's that's on the Internet and all of this.

839
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: It's more easier to just comply that's the Reggia problem

840
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: than to being hassled and and and getting punched on

841
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: and going through all the other ship. Some some people

842
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: don't see it that way because you've got some cops

843
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: that walk up to you already hotstole, so so you

844
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: don't know if you're dealing with a good cop, bad cop,

845
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: or whatever his temperament is at that moment. So I

846
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: can be cooperating with you the whole nine, but he's

847
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: still gonna act like I asked, So you can't even

848
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: answer that question because you never know what officer are

849
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: you dealing with at that and they don't know how

850
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm feeling in that car. They don't know what I'm

851
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: going through exactly. So it goes both ways, James, just

852
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: but but the way that they come off at you

853
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: is the way I'm gonna come back at you. You

854
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Now, If you got an officer

855
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: that walks up and you know you got some cools,

856
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: you got some cool ones. I didn't got pulled over

857
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: when I knew I shouldn't went to jail. Man, I'm

858
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: not gonna take you to jail. I'm not gonna take

859
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: your car. I'm not gonna do this. But can you

860
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: do this for me? Oh? No problem, because now I

861
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: don't relaxe because you say, ain't. I ain't taking you

862
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: to jail. I'm not gonna take you out your car.

863
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: Don't worry about nothing. We're good. I got you. Okay,

864
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: drop off now let me you never know. Let me

865
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: ask you this, Nora. What if it's the traffic stop

866
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: and the cops says I need you to step out

867
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: of your car, what are we legally allowed to How

868
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: can we respond legally? I mean, it just depends. Because

869
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: here's here's the cold, hard facts, is that you know,

870
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: if you are putting up a fight and and not complying,

871
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: they have the ability to make your life a lot

872
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: worse than it is. And you know they need reasonable

873
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: suspicion at least to pull you out of your car.

874
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: They're always going to site for officers say reasons. They're

875
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: always going to cite that. But if it's just the

876
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: traffic stop, I'm I'm pulled over for going through a

877
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: stop sign. Shouldn't just stay at that? It? Should it

878
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: absolutely should, but it's probably something that you should let

879
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: your attorney fight because if you are not complying and

880
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: you're giving the officer a hard time. I don't know

881
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: any situation where that's going to make it better for

882
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: you in that moment. Not complaining. Not complaining is not

883
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: giving my driving license SoC security car. No, you have

884
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: to do that, and then still telling me to get

885
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: out of my car for what, by by law, I

886
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: don't have to. Yeah, you can ask him what is

887
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: your reasonable suspicion for further detaining? What is because you

888
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: feel for your I'm sitting in my car, how do

889
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: you feel for your safety? What makes it necessary? You

890
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: don't smell no drugs, you don't smell no alcohol. They

891
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it, agreed, And they've got guns. Uh. I

892
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: was living in a roar in Denver, Colorado. Six of

893
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: us in the car big we were shutting, were setting drugs.

894
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: The whole six cats in the card gang bangers. Now

895
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: you know we've ben to be profiled, but I'm used

896
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: to getting pulled in confident. Okay, we're gonna go to jail.

897
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: We're doing all this ship and that officer one came

898
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: to the side and the other one, he only talked

899
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: to the driver and then say ship else to nobody else.

900
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: The driver gave him what he won't and motherfucker's drove

901
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: off drugs, goods and everything. Oh I'm gonna move out here.

902
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: It's just a difference, man, It's just difference. Well, I'm

903
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: not a big fan of complying. I'm really not. I

904
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: think you have to know you don't have to you're

905
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to look at the video of me getting

906
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: pulled over. I got pulled over a couple of months ago,

907
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: and I had my go pro going and I completely

908
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: did well. I don't even want to say I didn't comply,

909
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: because I'm not required to do that. So comply is

910
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: the wrong word, you know. Now, Yeah, you give your

911
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: driver's license, but outside of that, I don't feel like

912
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: you should be doing anything else. I don't care if

913
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: it's for officers safety. They signed up for this job.

914
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: They have the guns, nine time out, the chand the

915
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: police thing. This black cat looked like it look like

916
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: you've been there. I guarantee you he might have some drugs,

917
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: are gun right? They go on a hunch exactly, so

918
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: they gotta figure way to search your car. Well, That's

919
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: how I beat cases, is it car? That's how I

920
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: beat the cases? Though? Is they can't. There's case laws

921
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: specifically that uses the word hunch that you cannot search

922
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: based on a hunch and so and you know, and

923
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: then you get the cops that that line and say, oh,

924
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: well I smelled marijuana. But then they don't find marijuana.

925
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: You know, right, his car ain't gonna go in the

926
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody he's telling this to. They've gonna go smelling

927
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: his car. I smelled marijuana. But me personally, I'm fifty

928
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: seven years old. I ain't never smoked weed to day

929
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: in my life. So I know he lied. Yeah, but

930
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: it's the judge gonna believe that I ain't never smoked.

931
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: He probably you know you're smoking, but I never smoked

932
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: the day of my mind. It's very telling if if

933
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: he conducts the search and doesn't find any marijuana. I

934
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: love bringing that up on the stand with the cops, like, oh,

935
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: so you smelled marijuana. Was it a strong scent of marijuana?

936
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: Was it burning? Was it fresh? So where did you

937
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: find the marijuana? Then? Oh you didn't find any? Then

938
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: what were you smelling? Was it on you? Like? You know,

939
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: like you really hammer on that point, like, oh, you

940
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: smelled marijuana, but you searched that car. Oh my, I

941
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: punk y'all gotta come watch. Yeah, yeah, I think she's hired.

942
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: James watched her. No, I haven't watched her. But she

943
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: was just telling that she represented uh, the guy on

944
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: the nip t Well carry Lathan, the gentleman that was shot. Yes, yeah,

945
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: she represented him. Now he was violated. This is a trip,

946
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you're on parole. For all those that

947
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: are listening, a violation could be you getting shot, just

948
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: just getting becoming a victor of a gunshot because you

949
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in that port at the wrong time.

950
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: That's that's I guess the thought behind it. But you

951
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: could be walking down the street, minding your own business,

952
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: your guy on parole, and some car just drives by

953
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: and you get shot and you get violated for that, Well,

954
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: we're getting shot. Wasn't their allegation of the violation. It

955
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: was that he was he was associating and near um,

956
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: a known gang member Um and there you know, Nipsey Hustle.

957
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: They were saying he shouldn't have been around Nipsey. That's

958
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: what they're saying. Yeah, and you know, I was reading

959
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: somewhere where there's gonna be some reform coming, especially as

960
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: it relates to parolees and what is what it takes

961
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: to get them sent back to prison, because right now

962
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to commit a crime to go back

963
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: to prison on a violation. And I think it was

964
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Van Jones, you're coming home and live better and go

965
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: back to prison living above your means. You shouldn't have

966
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: a car just getting out of prison. You shouldn't be

967
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: living in this shape of home just getting to prison.

968
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: But there's just too many simple things that you can violate,

969
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: and then it's so delicate one or two or three years.

970
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: And I think I was Van Jones that I heard

971
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: talking about, we're going to really reform this, uh the

972
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: way paroles are hope. So, and one of the things

973
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm working on is getting the laws changed to allow

974
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: people to be removed from cal gangs, because right now

975
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: there's no vehicle in the law that allows people to

976
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: petition to be removed from cow gangs. And so if

977
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: that was available, and let's say Nipsey Um you know,

978
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: would have filed to be removed from cal gangs, Kerry

979
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: never would have been arrested on the alleged violation, so

980
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: it would have found something else. Well, here's the thing, though,

981
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: is that you know they're they're so gung ho on

982
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: preaching rehabilitation and you've got to better your life and

983
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: you gotta stop gang banging and and do better. But

984
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: they don't offer any any relief you not be seen

985
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: as a gang member in the eyes of the law,

986
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: and that's that isn't fair. Like if you if you're

987
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: if you're preaching rehabilitation, at least make it available to

988
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: where you see me as rehabilitated. The police can't and

989
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: this is me personally can't rehabilitate nobody. The police can't

990
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: turn your life around by being in prison. The only

991
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: person can do that is you, Like, like, take my

992
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: case for instness prison what I thought it was gonna be,

993
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: So why should I go back? It's totally up to you.

994
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Rehabilitation sucks. They teach a

995
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: little shit in there. Then you you havy having the

996
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: guys in there can't get the job that's paying semi

997
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: five sixty five cent or whatever you you fucking working

998
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: picking up cans and paper and ship that ain't teaching

999
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: you ship. You know what I'm saying. You go to school,

1000
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's just so much rehabilitation is I

1001
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: want to ask you more about this Kyl Gangs, but

1002
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: I want to remind all of our listeners that you

1003
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: can watch snippets of this show on the Digital Soapbox

1004
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Network video snippets for those that want to see us

1005
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: interacting here in the studios, and those videos are brought

1006
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Speaker 1: to us by Smooth Cut Productions. And I also want

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00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: to remind everyone if you want to HOLLI at James McDonald,

1008
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: you can catch him on Facebook. He has read Harley

1009
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: and the profile picture and he's also on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: b I G G J thirty six thirty six. And

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Speaker 1: you want those death row t shirts, hit him up

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Speaker 1: hundred sixty zero four. And I'm available on all social

1013
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: media platforms at alex Alonso one zero one and you

1014
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: can find me at Street Gangs dot Com and Nori.

1015
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: They'll tell the listeners where they can find you at. Yeah,

1016
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: you can buy me on Instagram. My handle is at

1017
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: Nori Underscore the Nightmare. And I want to thank all

1018
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: the listeners that are on Apple Podcast for leaving a

1019
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: rating and review, and we're also on Spotify and radio

1020
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: dot com for you Android and Samsung users. So, as

1021
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: I remember, cal gangs will keep you in the system

1022
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: unless you don't have any police contact for five years.

1023
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's not my understanding of it. Um,

1024
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: it's my understanding that there's no there's no way off

1025
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: of cow gangs. Well, they have to remove people from

1026
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: cow gangs because every year they put out the number

1027
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: of gang members that are in the city, and that

1028
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: number is not like if they always if they kept

1029
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: everyone in, that number would be constantly growing. Maybe if

1030
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: you die. Maybe if you die. Yeah, I mean I don't.

1031
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: But there's definitely no vehicle. Um. In terms of something

1032
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: that anybody can file to be removed, yeah, there's definitely

1033
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: no filing. But the way that I understood it is

1034
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: you have to have no police contact, not arrest, not

1035
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: going to jail, but contact meaning consensual contact or they

1036
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: pull up on you and for a lot of five

1037
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: card that's a contact. Now, how difficult it is for

1038
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: a brother of in South l A or East l

1039
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: A or the valley to not have any police contact

1040
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: for five years? Basically impossible? Yeah, again, no, it's not

1041
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: are you kidding. I stayed out of We're talking about

1042
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: police contact, not staying on the prison police can. I mean,

1043
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's just how you walk. Man. What was

1044
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: the last time you got pulled over by the police

1045
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: the other day? That's police contact? So well, I mean

1046
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 1: that's what that would be a police contact. You gotta

1047
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: look at all this, all of this. We're talking about

1048
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: discount of ship, every every every time I took a picture,

1049
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: that's your profile, that's your tag, your tag going to

1050
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: prison you. He can't say it all day. I'm gonna

1051
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: give him back this number. I'm gonna give him back

1052
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: this cheg and be done with it. It's so hard

1053
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: to get rid of that number. It's so hard to

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Speaker 1: give it to that cheg one way another. That gotta

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Speaker 1: know where you are. That's what it's designed for. That's

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01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: that's what we are. Everybody is a number. You go

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: to jail when when when they stopped and and just say,

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: for instance, when when the police came and told you

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01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: you came with your kids no more? And in the city,

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01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: in the in the hood, what you think gonna happen

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01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: when your kids don't listen to you, They're gonna get violent.

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna be out there hanging out, they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing their thing. Then they're gonna go to jail. Now

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: that they don't sell me to prison. Now they're gonna

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: send your kids to prison. And this is how we

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01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: know what we what we're dealing with. I mean, I

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01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: look at it like that. Everybody don't have to look

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01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: at it like that. But and there ain't too many

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01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: cats out here on the street. They pull over and

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: and go straight through their trunk and take a picture

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Speaker 1: of every guy that they think is a gang banger,

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Speaker 1: every guy, I don't care how old he is. They

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Speaker 1: got to know who they're dealing with. And this's and

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna keep going forever. Like she said, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can ever get out of there if they

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: look me up right now and go to my name.

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Speaker 1: Oh you company, you from the neighborhood, Damn, I mean

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Speaker 1: my fifties. Yeah, And that's that's what I'm saying. I've

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Speaker 1: represented clients that hadn't been in trouble for years, a

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Speaker 1: long long time, and they're still in cow gangs and

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Speaker 1: it's still being brought up. So that's so what can

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Speaker 1: we do? I would like to assist in um yea

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01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: reevaluating the whole cow gang because another thing is they

1084
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: don't give access to defense attorneys. You can't just peruse

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Speaker 1: the database to check it out. It's only prosecutors and

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Speaker 1: police that have access to cow gangs. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we got to lobby the California legislature and and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm working on that. I got so many things

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Speaker 1: on my plate, but that's definitely like at the top

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Speaker 1: of my list of things to do is to address that.

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Speaker 1: Who was the biggest person you represented? Well, I'm helping

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: Snoop with his record right now. I'm getting his all

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: his stuff expunged and trying to get his gun rights back.

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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: So probably Snoop. Yeah, it's cool. He should be able

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01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: to get this back. He he's and he's doing great things.

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01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: He got found no guilty on the murder that you

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01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: got a clue that ain't nothing. There's no conviction there,

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01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: so there's nothing to there's nothing to clean up. He

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01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: ain't got too much nothing. Well, he got that one

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: kick that Reggie Brille brings up when he when him

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: and dads ran with the weed. Shouldn't be nothing. They

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Speaker 1: can expunge y Mr. Meaning I believe it depends. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's probably. I don't know, I haven't seen listen to

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Speaker 1: but this long time ago. Yeah, do you know if

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01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: possession of ring a lot of his stuff I think

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: it was even still a wobbler back then. A lot

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: of his stuff is so old that we actually had

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01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: to go to the courthouse to pull the pull the info. Yeah,

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01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: you had to have over ounce better right then. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all I want to ask you about Jackie Lazy because

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: she's the d A of l A County and they're

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01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 1: going to have an election and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: want to get rid of her, even though Jackie Lacey,

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: for though, who don't know as a black woman and you,

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01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: we would have thought we had we got a black

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: d A now and maybe there's gonna be some some

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Speaker 1: equitable representation. But in over five hundred officer involved shootings, James,

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Speaker 1: over five hundred officers involved shootings where someone died, I

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: guess how many officers have been prosecuted to one one

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Speaker 1: and there at least I can think of at least

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Speaker 1: a dozen where it's very questionable. So that's one issue

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people have with her. And I

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Speaker 1: would just wonder, Nori, what do you think about Jackie Lacey? Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would like to see somebody else in there. UM.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that Jackie Lacey did do, UM, that

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01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: she you know, we could give her credit for, is

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01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: that she started the Conviction Review Unit, which looks at

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Speaker 1: cases of wrongful convictions. UM. I don't know how fruitful

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01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: their efforts have been. UM. I presented a case to them,

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01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: me and another student on behalf of Project for the

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01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: Innocent while I was still in law school, and they

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: took the case and actually he ended up getting exonerated

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: after twenty years of being wrongfully imprisoned. UM. But you know,

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: I have heard some complaints about you know, that unit

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: not really being for that mission. UM. But I you know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't had the pleasure of of presenting

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: a case to them since I've had my own firm.

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Speaker 1: So that is I mean the listen, the the idea

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01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: of it is great. UM. Conviction review things, the Conviction

1140
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: Review Unit. UM. But yeah, I I would agree that. UM.

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01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: I would like to see somebody a little bit more

1142
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: understanding in evaluating cases and in their prosecution. What about

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: the lack of prosecuting officers and these, I mean over

1144
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: involved shootings under her watch, James, and in just one

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01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: one UM indictment. I think, Okay, I gotta stay somewhat

1146
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: PC because I'm in these court houses every day. But

1147
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: I think that the numbers are telling. I'm gonna say

1148
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: it for you. You've got a lot of black people

1149
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: that get these jobs, and black black officers or whatever,

1150
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: and and and they do things too look good for

1151
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: the other people instead of their own people, and and

1152
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: it and it. They know how they got to be

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: in these certain type of jobs. They can't make it

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01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: look like I'm looking out for my people, or she'd

1155
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: have been going, you know what I'm saying, So, either

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01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: you act a certain kind of way, are you out

1157
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: of here? They're looking at their careers, not the lives

1158
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: that they dumping in independitentiary. Are the people that died

1159
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: on the streets. They don't care about that. They cared.

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01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: They worried about their career and where it's gonna take

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01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: their career. I was just expecting a little bit more

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Speaker 1: from Jackie Lacy. I know that I know that all

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Speaker 1: five hundred plus of those cases UM aren't don't warrant

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01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: an indictment, But more than one, more than one, exactly

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01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: more than one. And the one that that um that

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01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: they did charge was the officer that escaped from l

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01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: A with his father, and his father helped him get

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01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: into Mexico and then um they called him. He killed

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01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: some He got out into a shooting with a quote

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01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: unquote gang member. He shot and killed the gang member

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01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: I think in the parking lot. It was about three

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01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: or four years ago. And then he left and went

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01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: to Mexico with the help of his dad and they

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: got They have like surveillance of them crossing the border,

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: and they actually charged the father. The father already did

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Speaker 1: his time. I think he did like a year for

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Speaker 1: I guess what would that what would that a charge

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: have been? He that's well, that's a federal Yeah, that

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: was a federal offense he aided or yeah. Um so,

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: so federal sentencing is so complex, like their zones and

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: then there's levels and there's like I mean, it would

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: depend I would need to look at. So that's the

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: officer that that Jackie Lacy eventually charge. I don't have

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: his name here. But the last thing I want to

1185
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: ask you about is what's the difference between pimping and pandering, pimping.

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Speaker 1: Pandering is the that's one charge. Okay, it is one charge.

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: It always has pimping. But I saw a video when

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: you were breaking down. Pimping and then pandering as two

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01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: separate things or they have two different definitions. Was I

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01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: what was I breaking down? Um? And before you answer

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: that is um, it's pimping easy if you hip a

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01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: whole lot of fun. Okay, who wrapped that? Who wrapped

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: that song? Pip easy? Pimp easy? Come on, come on,

1194
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: James Short, come on man, no daddy came. Everybody does

1195
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: hip hop, every one. I mean, I don't heard all

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01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: of them. But officer that went to Mexico. I'm want

1197
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: to get his name. But yeah, pimping and pandering, what

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: is that? What is that actual? So pimp and I

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: broke us down in the video, we should just play

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01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: the video. But pimping is more um getting proceeds and

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01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: benefits from the act of prostitution, whereas pandering is more

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01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: encouraging UM and helping and selling your own body. Is

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: that free? Will? I mean, I disagree with these guys

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01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: taking thirteen and fourteen year old girls out there and

1205
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 1: doing it easy to be influenced wrapping is a conversation

1206
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: and and a lot of these guys have that conversation

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: for these naive young women out there that don't understand

1208
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: and and having rough at home, you know what I'm saying.

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: So I disagree with how they take it and then

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: take these kids. But if you thirty five years old

1211
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: and nine years old and you want to sell your

1212
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: motherfucking coop punk whoever you too, and stupid enough to

1213
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: give it to a cat with his head tilted, did

1214
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: by enemies necessary get the money? Well, there are some jurisdictions.

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01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: I believe in southern Nevada it is. And then the

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: comedian George Carlin said it best. If making money is

1217
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: legal and having sex is legal, then how come making

1218
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: money having sex is not legal? And actually you know,

1219
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean you actually can. You can be charged with

1220
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: just pimping or just pandering. But I've never seen them

1221
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: separated when they're breaking them off like like like it's

1222
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: the thing they're do in Vegas. Uh, I mean they're

1223
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: sending you to print intentiary. Now because you take a

1224
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: girl from from l A and then taking to Vegas,

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: they call that trafficing. You don't took her from one

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01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: state to another and you're going to jail, you know

1227
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But what I said is they're getting

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01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: these young girls. You know what I'm saying, These naive

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: little kids that that think is gonna be all is

1230
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: and here they are. Yeah, but I mean, you know,

1231
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: we just got it, you know, all right? Tell the

1232
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: listeners Nori where if someone wants to hire you, if

1233
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: they want you to, they want to consult with you,

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01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: they need some advice, they want to sit in your office,

1235
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: they want to holler at you about the law. How

1236
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: can they find you? So you can go online? Uh,

1237
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: just type in the Noriega La offer and I'll pop

1238
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: right up. I'm here on will Share and libreya. Um.

1239
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: My office number is two on three seven zero three

1240
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: zero zero zero four. I prefer that people reach out

1241
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: that way. I do still get d MS all the time,

1242
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: but I if you d M me, I'm just gonna

1243
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: instruct you to call the office. So you'll call the office.

1244
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: My my staffled you intake and then if it's a

1245
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: case that I'm interested in taking, call you back with

1246
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: a quote. I bet you've got a lot of d

1247
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: M A lot of d ms everything, everything, No, no, no, criminal, everything,

1248
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: criminal everything criminal. Okay, now I have I have yet

1249
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: to see you in the courthouse. I'm in the courthouse

1250
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: almost every day myself. Downtown a lot. I'm in Compton,

1251
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: I'm in Inglewood, I'm in a long beach, Torrents. I'm everywhere,

1252
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: all right. And I want to thank all the listeners

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01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: for listening to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles again.

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Speaker 1: Check out video snippits of this episode on the Digital

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Speaker 1: don't forget to holler at James McDonald on those death

1257
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: Row shirts. Uh, don't forget. You can find me. He

1258
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: got some in the car right now, and I think

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: he got other colors right. Uh no, I stopped at Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's slowed down a little bit, but they're

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Speaker 1: still coming. But I'm going for the hoodies in the um,

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Speaker 1: trying to get the house shoes. I'm gonna need some

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Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, I'm trying to trying to hook it up.

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Speaker 1: So if this guy comes through, like he said, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have house shoes, hoodies being these the whole nine. Oh,

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Speaker 1: make sure you hit James at nine hundred sixty four.

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Speaker 1: Zero four. You can find me at alex Alonso one

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Speaker 1: zero one on all social media platforms as Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and Facebook and Nori give them your number one more time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: office number is two on three seven zero three zero

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Speaker 1: zero zero four and be sure to follow me on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Nori Underscore the Nightmare. I'm gonna start following

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Speaker 1: you right now and thanks for coming down. Another episode

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Speaker 1: and we're out. We're out. This has been a digital

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