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Speaker 1: Hey, this is the Meat Eater podcast, recording out a Bozeman, Montana,

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Speaker 1: hometown of our guests, Randy Newburgh, who has been hosting

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Speaker 1: hunting TV programs for a long time. Wow, how long? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think, as my grandpa would say, Moby Dick was

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Speaker 1: a mint on back when I started. Actually, it's weird

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Speaker 1: to say, Steve, but I'm going into year eight. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's I'm not like Methuselah. But I guess you

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Speaker 1: could say I've been there, done that long eight years.

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Speaker 1: Long time to do anything. It is, especially I just

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Speaker 1: turned fifty and I'm gonna be fifty one in November,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I do these backpack hunts mostly, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think I'm gonna live long enough

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Speaker 1: to do another eight years. It's just it grinds at me.

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Speaker 1: You guys know you do it. You're also talking to

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Speaker 1: uh that that leaves me to something about age that

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. But um, I want to point out to

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Speaker 1: our listeners that Randy, who's seen and done everything, was

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Speaker 1: just marveling. He was blown away by the quality of

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Speaker 1: the complete guy, the hunting, butcher and cooking wild game.

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Speaker 1: I was that would take most people a lifetime. You

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Speaker 1: hear those people and then you guys said, well, how

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Speaker 1: long do you think? I said three years? And you

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Speaker 1: guys looked at each other like, yep, so what So

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Speaker 1: if I'm reading what you're saying, right, Randy, you feel

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Speaker 1: like people are gonna get their money's worth. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why you're going to price it at giving it away.

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Speaker 1: You're giving it away. You you should buy two of

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Speaker 1: them at that price. I mean, it's really I'm saying

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Speaker 1: you have and you have a background that has to

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Speaker 1: do with like you deal in people's money as a

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Speaker 1: c p A. Yeah, I get to disinherit the federal

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Speaker 1: treasury as a Randy thinks you ought to buy that book.

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Speaker 1: If if you don't buy that book, folks, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna kill an elk next year. That's exactly right. I

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Speaker 1: can promise you that if you do kill one, you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna know how to take care of it out

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Speaker 1: in the field. And I was reading your honest your

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Speaker 1: piece about tuning up bows. Where did you come up

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Speaker 1: with all that stuff? Experience just told all about it.

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Speaker 1: He just wrote about it. I think you need to

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Speaker 1: make that like into a pocket guide. Yeah. Well, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, you don't want to care. It's not like

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Speaker 1: it's I can't call it original content. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: I did put it down in my own words, but

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Speaker 1: like it's not like I picked up a piece of

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Speaker 1: wooden string and then I eventually learned how to make

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Speaker 1: a compound, and then like how to tune a compound,

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Speaker 1: you know, like all this stuff. Like yes, I've read

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Speaker 1: you know, hunting magazines and and you know, watch YouTube

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Speaker 1: videos and all this stuff since I was a little kid,

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Speaker 1: and so that's you know, how it came out. But

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Speaker 1: it's not like I made up how to you know,

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Speaker 1: get ready for archery season. Like gazillion guys will be like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how I do it too. But wow, I was impressed.

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Speaker 1: I was thumbing through the book and I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this is a serious project. Just you

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Speaker 1: guys go into a lot of detail, a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid that no one will ever read. I don't

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Speaker 1: want you. I was half joking. I mean I like

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Speaker 1: to plug the book. I was half joking. But I

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Speaker 1: want to get you to think about age. When we

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Speaker 1: talk about like backpack hunting, how many years you think

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Speaker 1: you got left well, I always tell hunting as you

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Speaker 1: hunting out right. I told my wife I want to

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Speaker 1: backpack hunt and tell him sixty five and last long

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Speaker 1: it's like years doth wrong. I felle in November, so

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen seasons. But last year I packed out three

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Speaker 1: bulls on my back. And how many miles? Told you

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Speaker 1: packed bulls out about? Gosh, I'd be just a guest Steve.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing combined all those trips thirty miles something like that.

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Speaker 1: But one of them was out of a canyon in there.

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Speaker 1: I don't and it was ugly. I mean, even though

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for years to hunt Arizona. I'm deferring

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Speaker 1: guy hobbling along? I'm like, hey, whatever. So he went

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Speaker 1: I think blew out his A c L playing basketball

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Speaker 1: got a brace on his knee that looks like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Colonel Steve Austin of the six million Dollar Man. You're

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Speaker 1: idea what's shocking on about? All right, see again we're

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Speaker 1: aging ourselves, Sarah. But anyhow, he shoots this ball down

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Speaker 1: that I would be like, on every hunt, I'll be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got enough in me. I got enough in me

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Speaker 1: to get down in that candy to kill a bull,

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Speaker 1: no problem. Yeah, it's just that once that happens, you know,

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Speaker 1: So how hard can I can I hunt for how long?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I I'm well, you get to a point,

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Speaker 1: and I've said this on a few episodes where you

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Speaker 1: realize that there are a lot fewer hunts in the

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Speaker 1: front windshield than what are in the rear view mirror,

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Speaker 1: and you enjoy every minute of every day of those

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Speaker 1: your hour glass, and you start having this internal fear. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: oh man, my hip's hurting today. Is that gonna lay

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Speaker 1: me up from al cunning? Because you know that there's

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Speaker 1: a terminal point when you're hunting anything, let alone backpack

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Speaker 1: out cunning. So it's like, I'm definitely still just too

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Speaker 1: young and dumb to have those thoughts. I don't, are

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Speaker 1: you or you have to because like my brother is

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Speaker 1: a couple years older me. My brother is like he

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Speaker 1: started working out lifting weights, you know, and now I've

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Speaker 1: been I've been the only thing I'm thinking about's like

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Speaker 1: to the beach, you know what I mean. It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I work out because all I'm that's the

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Speaker 1: the hill way ahead of me, you know. The And

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Speaker 1: I hunt a lot of my guest hunters very younger

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Speaker 1: living half the year, and so I have to make

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Speaker 1: a serious point to get out and hike every day.

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Speaker 1: And I'm lucky here in Montana where I live. I'm

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Speaker 1: when I was twenty eight, God, I had to walk

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Speaker 1: for another forty five minutes to get there. This sucks now,

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Speaker 1: don't even fathe me. It's like, hey man, I'm still hunting.

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Speaker 1: I got some buddies who are you know they're done,

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Speaker 1: It just comes with age. One thing I think about

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Speaker 1: when I think about getting old and not being able

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Speaker 1: fifty now, I would agree. I would I was inefficient

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Speaker 1: I just hiked and walk because nothing replicates the uneven ground.

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Speaker 1: for Randy's wife. That's that's right. Yeah, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: We We ran into Jack Llane at an airport one time. Again,

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Speaker 1: you guys, he related to kind of man, I'm really

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Speaker 1: aging myself and uh he he was like the original

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Speaker 1: good buddy, Oh way before he was like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: five ninety years old, and he says, you know what

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Speaker 1: They're going to Point A, and they go there, they

424
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: don't see him. The afternoon, they're on Point B. They'll

425
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: have six eight spots on their map to check out

426
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: in a five day hunt, and two to three of

427
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: those spots will have alk and they'll just, through a

428
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: process of elimination, get there and when they find now,

429
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: they'll kill one. I think elk are one of the

430
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: easiest animals in the world to kill once you find them.

431
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: Once you find them, finding them as a hard part.

432
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, I do a lot of

433
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: writing and blogging, and I tell people as crazy as

434
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: it sounds, as simple as it is. You can't kill

435
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: one if you can't find one. So quit worrying about

436
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: all the techniques and tactics to kill one. Figure out

437
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: how to find them, because once you find him, you'll

438
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: kill them. Well, so what what's your way of finding them? A? Yeah? Again,

439
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: it goes back to that whole seasonal thing. I break

440
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: it down and think about seasons a lot, right. I

441
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: break it down into five periods. It's early season, pre rut,

442
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: peak rut, post rut, in late season. And if you

443
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: gave me one time of the year to hunt and

444
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: try to kill a big bull, it's gonna be late season.

445
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: Let's just say, oh, bowl a bow, legal bowl, A

446
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: legal bowl in Montana is a branchantler bull. I'm probably

447
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna hunt him in the peak of the rut in

448
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: September with a bowl. Other states it might be a

449
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: different answer. But each of those five seasons, they have

450
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: a different need. In the early season, you look at it, Okay,

451
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: the bulls still aren't really with the cows. The mature bulls,

452
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: they're still putting on the feedback. You compare that too

453
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: late season, and now they don't really care about food.

454
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: They don't care about cows. All they care about is

455
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: getting through hunting season. And they've got these sanctuaries they

456
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: go to, and they in their bachelor groups go their

457
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: year after or year after year. And you said your

458
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: name to your name in Montana, Yeah, I mean low

459
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: down nasty dog here. As as a general rule, I

460
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: tell people, and this is Newberg's first rule of el

461
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: cunting is where where hunters go, elk don't. And so

462
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: if it's a place hunters can easily get to or

463
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: don't have to exert themselves to get to, don't expect

464
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: late season elk to be there. Maybe some late season coles,

465
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: but not late season bulls. And I will share information

466
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: with people about my early season spots or my peak

467
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: rut locations. Fine, everyone kind of knows where those are.

468
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: But you're never gonna hear Randy Newburgh tell you where

469
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: one of these sanctuaries are, because one they're hard to find.

470
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Two once you find them, you can go there every year,

471
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: year after year after year in kill elk in that

472
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: same spot. Because these bulls get old by living in

473
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: these locations. To find spot, like what side of the the ground,

474
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: what side of patch ground? Oh, maybe sixty acres that

475
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: they will make a living in a sixty acre spot

476
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: all the way through hunting season. In Montana, we got

477
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: a five week rifle season. After the first shots, all

478
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: hell breaks loose. The older bulls are in their bachelor groups,

479
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: and they are going to the ugly, nasty places. They're

480
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: gonna be places that are hard to approach because of

481
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: wind or noise or other things. And even if you

482
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: do approach it, there's gonna be a fast escape route. Yeah.

483
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: And it's just I can almost look at a map

484
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: now anymore with topal lines and say, there's gonna be

485
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: out there. Okay, But how does that play into your

486
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: idea that once you find them that they're easy to kill.

487
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: He's protected by the wind, he's gotta go escape route.

488
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: You just gotta wait him out. I think most people

489
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: when they find it out get way too excited. I

490
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: gotta go kill him. I finally found one, and they

491
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: burst in there. They think, oh, over here, the winds

492
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: blowing out of the south while you get over the

493
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: other side of the drainage or on the other hillside,

494
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: and it may be blown out of the east. And

495
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: so before they even get there, they've already announced to

496
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: the elk what's going on. And they see an elk

497
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: bedded and they're afraid another hunter is gonna come shoot

498
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: him as bed and I just wait him out, like

499
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: how like what sit there until they stand up and

500
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: offer me a shot, or I get to someplace that says,

501
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: all right, I'm two yards away. I know he's down

502
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: in there. He's gonna feed. I can see his tracks

503
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: in the snow where he feeds every night. I'm gonna

504
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: let him feed up there, and I'll kill him. And

505
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I might have to wait until a half hour before

506
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: the sun goes down, but if I wait, I'll kill him.

507
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I know I'm making this sound like everything you're saying,

508
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: But I when I first started hunting elk, I made

509
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: it way too complicated. I was looking for magic calls

510
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: and you know, gizmos and all this stuff, and it

511
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: it didn't work. I got a great anecdote about a

512
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: late season big bull that was killed. Some guy finally

513
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: killed him, but he was in gunnison, and I want

514
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: to say, I can't remember if think it was. I

515
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: don't think it was a tough to draw unit because

516
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: I think as a story goes, I know there's he

517
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: was about like a three sixties something bull, so pretty

518
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: darn big for Colorado Dunnison Basin. And during the rut

519
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: in September, this bull would rut on private land and

520
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: it was like right adjacent to town, I want to say,

521
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: it's right outside of Gunson, so everybody would see him.

522
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: It's just a giant bull run around right around, and

523
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: then like you know, rut would go by, rifle season

524
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: would come around, and this bull would just disappear. Well, finally,

525
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: one dude, it's just like literally glass and just like

526
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: the same mountain that's been behind this bull forever, and

527
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: like looking way high up in the alpine way above

528
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: tree line, and there's like this little patch of willows

529
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: and there's like a hundred yards away there's like five

530
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: like dwarfed little wh or angleman spruce or you know

531
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: whatever lives way up there, you know, this little like

532
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: six foot trees. And gets out of spot and scope.

533
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: He starts looking hard, and he thinks he can see

534
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: tracks like connecting the two, you know. So he's like,

535
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start looking at that patch. He climbs up

536
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: and gets a little bit closer, and sure enough, at

537
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: like ten minutes before dark, up rises out of these

538
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: five little spruce trees, this giant bowl, and he walks

539
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: like a hundred yards over these little you know, dwarf

540
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: tie alpine willows and he loses them in the dark.

541
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: Next morning, he's like watching and like just as his

542
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: cracking light, he just sees those antlers disappeared on his

543
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: five little cruce. He went up there, waited him out,

544
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: killed that bowl, and he said the pack job was

545
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: just like something out of like a K two documentary,

546
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: just like ice Acs is cramp on, just like scooting

547
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: along the edge of this basin, you know, eleven plus

548
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: thousand feet high. But yeah, I mean he's got him

549
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: hanging on his wall now and right into We're hunting

550
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: mule your a couple years ago in Colorado, it was

551
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: into the don't know what season was. There had been

552
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons going on, and they're just like

553
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: looking through my spot and scope looking for Mulder and

554
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: just seeing a nice bull and be like you son

555
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: up a bit. That's where you're that's where you hang out. Yeah,

556
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I've like a post ut situation. Yeah, I've had that

557
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: happen a lot of times in Colorado. I mean, I

558
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: try to go deer hunting there every two or three years,

559
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: and I'll be looking in these little pockets for bucks

560
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: and does, and I'll be like, just like you said,

561
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: you sill be. But I know I could probably come

562
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: back there year after year and find him or other

563
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: bulls around there, and I just I don't know. I

564
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: I try when I do seminars about elk hunting, and

565
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert by any means. I just have

566
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: a lot of experience that doesn't necessarily make you an expert. Um.

567
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: I try to tell people, think about what time of

568
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: the year you're hunting, and what are the needs to

569
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: elk has at that time of year in the peak rut.

570
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: They don't care about food. You know, it's back there

571
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: when I said the best way to kill a big

572
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: bull is late season with the rifle. The other would

573
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: be at a water hole in a hot climate in

574
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: the middle of the day during peak rut. I've been

575
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: lucky and drawn Arizona and New Mexico and Nevada, Utah.

576
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I've drawn a lot of those tags for our treat.

577
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: What happens is the bulls take their cows up to

578
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: bed them in the morning and they usually stop and

579
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: get some water somewhere along the way. And once they

580
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: bed those bulls and they defend them from a few satellites,

581
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: those bulls will sneak away from the cows about somewhere

582
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: between noon and three o'clock and they will come out

583
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: in broad daylight, get a quick drink, and head back

584
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: up to those cows. I've seen it so many times

585
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: that when I have those tags, now, I don't go

586
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: back to camp and take a nap at noon. I'm

587
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: sleeping at the water hole or I'm sitting like I

588
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be at home, because I like to take mind

589
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: that I have from level of twelve up. But I

590
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: think it's those sort of little tidbits that like in

591
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Montana you maybe never really thought about it, and then

592
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: you went to a really hot climate where like it

593
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: happens more often and you notice it and you go, well,

594
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, maybe on a hot September day, this happens

595
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: in Montana too, and so you know, yeah, that's the

596
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: thing too. Like, uh, when I was two earlier about

597
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: like Havin, you're like core activity, and then there's all

598
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: the experiments we're kind of talk about ways in which

599
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: you become educated in general. But I found at the

600
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: same time that was our deal. I found that I

601
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: don't respect, and I don't mean respect like in a

602
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: way like you know, or let me use a different word.

603
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't admire the hunting prowess of people who have

604
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: just figured out a thing. Yeah it's yeah, like you know,

605
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: would be like some dude like yeah, like in September

606
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: he catches a ton of samon trolling in front of

607
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: that river mouth. He's the man, and I was like yeah,

608
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: but you know, like anything could happen and that fistory

609
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: or whatever like so I kind of admire like adaptability,

610
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, or all the people that they kill a

611
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: buck every year and then they whoever owns the farm

612
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: they're hunting on, sells the farm. They never hunt again.

613
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: It's like one manute, he's like the dude. They're like, yeah,

614
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: oh John Man. Every mopening day he gets his buck

615
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: and it's like yeah, I was just like I have

616
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: my little thing. So through traveling and experimenting, I find

617
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: that like just adaptability in and of itself, it's valuable.

618
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Oh I I agree completely. I mean it makes you

619
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable because I used to feel very vulnerable

620
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: when I first started hunting here, first started hunting out here,

621
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: I felt very vulnerable, like, man, would we be screwed

622
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: if somehow this trailhead were to gain popularity? M hm

623
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean we'll be done yea. And because

624
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: let me know, as you park here there and they're there,

625
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: and like if they were, what the hell that right?

626
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: So I do like the kind of stuff you're saying,

627
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: like go anywhere and having like a toolbox that you

628
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: can you know. Yeah, I've just been lucky to get

629
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: to hunt elk in so many places. You might not

630
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: even be comfortable answers because it sounds like you're like

631
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: tooting your own horn or whatever. But how like like

632
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: how many states or what states have you killed? Public Land,

633
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: alicon um Antana, Whyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada? Uh?

634
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: Should have last year in Utah and two weeks people

635
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: get to see, Yeah, I know how it is eighteen

636
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: yards of bowls standing there and I'm at, you know,

637
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: with my archery gear, thinking, come on, buddy, take one

638
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: step and either the camera's got them or I don't

639
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: have them. And so I could have added Utah to

640
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: that list if not for a very lucky lucky bull

641
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: last year. But so it was all like, do it

642
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: on your own, right, That's that's still seven states, is it.

643
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. Yeah, you know, and for me,

644
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't really even think about it in terms of numbers.

645
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, that's why I hesitated to ask you.

646
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean it speaks for itself. Yeah, it's just experiences.

647
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: And you know, a classic example of a learning experience

648
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: is I'm in New Mexico. It's archery season. I mean

649
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: it's blistering hot. I go up high and everyone else

650
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: is up high high, like what eight thousand trying to

651
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: get in some ponderosa. And I got my spotting scope

652
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: out on this rock and I'm looking down and I

653
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: see all these elk out on the flats in these grasslands.

654
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: Grab my GPS and my map. I'm like, ship that's

655
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: being lamp. So I go down there and there's some

656
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: guys camp there, and I'm like, you guys hunting these

657
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: elk out here? Oh no, you'll never be able to

658
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: get up on them. I mean, you can't call that man. Well,

659
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: I grew up spotting stock hunting in a lot of

660
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: ways in the big woods of Minnesota. As weird as

661
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: that sounds, you know, you're trying to find someplace where

662
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: a buck is hanging out, and you're trying to see

663
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: him before he sees you, because if he sees you first,

664
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: one big jump and he's gone still n yeah, pretty

665
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: much still hunting. So I'm thinking, you know what, those

666
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: elk got a bed somewhere out there. I go out

667
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: there and I get to looking around. I can see

668
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: where they're bedding. Wherever there's a break in the terrain,

669
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: just a rock pile like six ft, you know, dropping

670
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: a rock. They're bedding right up against those rocks for

671
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: shade or are sad. I go out there and within

672
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: a day I arrow one of those bulls of that

673
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: like two yards and we come packing. Yeah, we come

674
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: packing it out and the guys we walked past their camp,

675
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: They're like, where the hell did you get that out there?

676
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: And I could have shot other bulls on that trip.

677
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Every time I've went back to that spot and been

678
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: lucky enough to draw those elk have figured out no

679
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: hunters want to come out here because it's about a

680
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: three mile hike, it's hot, there's no shade, but there's

681
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: no hunters either. So elk will go where they're They're

682
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: kind of like this fluid animal that moves in response

683
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: to pressure, kind of like water. I mean, you push

684
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: against the water balloon and the water moves to a

685
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: different spot in the balloon. It's kind of how these

686
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: elk are. And so every year I hope I draw

687
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: that tag because it's so consistent that I go to

688
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: that trailhead I walk out there, no one's gonna be there,

689
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be out there. So it's just one

690
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: of those things. Though, if you have enough experiences and

691
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: go to enough different places, you kind of have those

692
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: discovery movements and say, and what's funny is like if

693
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: someone tells you, like, just describe that hunt, but put

694
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: an antelope in there, and they're like, oh, yeah, for sure,

695
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: we'll go after those antelope way out there in the flats.

696
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: But then someone puts an elk out in that same

697
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: country and I can't kill those things. Yeah, And I

698
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I think we on TV have a tendency

699
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: to maybe create some narrow mindedness among hunters from the

700
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: standpoint of what works or or how wide you're thinking

701
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: should be. I mean, these are smart animals. They've figured

702
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: it out. They've somehow. You know, a bowl that lives

703
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: six years on public land, he's no dummy, Just like

704
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: a white tail that lives past three years in the Midwest,

705
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: there's no dummy. And uh don't don't discount some of

706
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: the things they will do to stay alive. They just

707
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: haven't figured out how to stay alive. That spot you're

708
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: talking about always says you know if you go there.

709
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: Um to me, man like my most valuable possessions in life, idols,

710
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: just handful of things, just like reliable things. And you

711
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: know you really rarely have more than a half dozen.

712
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking just one piece. I mean, just

713
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: like the things that work and now and then for

714
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: whatever reason you just scratch them. Yeah you know what

715
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean. Or you haven't done it so long and

716
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like a thing anymore. But it's like

717
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: knowing like the junk that works and stuff goes away

718
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: like I used to be, because it feels like stuff changes,

719
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: like I one of my things like that I counted

720
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: by my things, like the ability that we would pound

721
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: steelhead at the sixth Street damn in downtown Grand Rappers, Michigan. Right,

722
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: I haven't done it forever the day. They haven't changed

723
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: the damn they haven't changed the river. The steelhead are

724
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: still there. But I feel like somehow if I went back,

725
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be able to do it. I like

726
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: lost it as my thing, you know. It's just I

727
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: haven't done it so long. I almost feel like telling people.

728
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: I recently had this thing where I had a friend

729
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: move to a place I used to live, and I'm imploring,

730
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm begging him to go sit a certain avalanche slide

731
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: to see if a bear came out, because I hadn't

732
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: hunted in a decade. And he goes out and said,

733
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: I went up, there's all snowy. I'm like, no, you're

734
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: not listening. I'm saying, dude, it doesn't matter. The shoot

735
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: will be fine. I don't care how much snow. You

736
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: gotta wait through, park your damn car, walk up there

737
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: and look, you know, And he thinks I'm trying to

738
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: help him out. I'm just trying to know, like do

739
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I still I'm like, do I still have a thing

740
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: or not? Here? And I'm telling like, you go this

741
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: one time, you know, and he goes up called back,

742
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, never go there again. That I just needed

743
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: to know that I still have that little thing. It

744
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: works in these little places. I am a big advocate

745
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: for conservation, but and a lot of people know. I

746
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: sit on the board of the Rocky Mountain Foundation. One

747
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: other people came to me and said, Randy, would you

748
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: auction off your GPS with all your ways and you

749
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, you talk about mixed emotions because you

750
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: know I didn't do it. No, I I haven't and uh,

751
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: you would have done it, but you lost your GPS

752
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: so you couldn't. I found that GPS. Yeah, Joanna saw

753
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: me a couple of months ago. I was in panic

754
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: mode my GPS with all of this cherished hard. Yeah,

755
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: I'd lost it. I'd been on muscrat trapping and I

756
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: couldn't find the damn thing. Well, I have these customs

757
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: heat covers made, and I put it somewhere where I

758
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't forget where I put it, and that's where I was.

759
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: I found it in May sometimes but so you can

760
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: auction it off, No, I have never got I will

761
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: someday auction it off. But it kind of like what

762
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: you were saying, Steve about, you know, in respect for

763
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: people who are adaptable or whatever. I respect people who

764
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: want to go out and figure it out, who who

765
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: want to take the journey rather than be led to

766
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: the destination and say here he is, shoot him. I

767
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: mean the guy who just racks his brain and works

768
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: and goes out before work or whatever on the weekends,

769
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: and you know, he's skimped for time, but somehow he

770
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: shoots a bowl every year. That guy's got my respect. Yeah.

771
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: I like that guy. I always like, I always want

772
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: to help that guy out. Me too. And I always

773
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: want to help out the guy with his kid. Yeah,

774
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: but dude, he and his kid, And I was like, hey,

775
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: you know what I would do? But um, yeah, man.

776
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: The thing about auction off it's just like, like you said,

777
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: you're proponent of conservation. Um. It just brings up a

778
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: thing that I think about all the time is when

779
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: people talk about the need for hunter recruitment, the only

780
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: will of that, the thinking goes that for hunting to

781
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: survive politically. I mean, I'm not telling you that, I'm

782
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: just for listeners that for hunting to survive in today's

783
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: political climate, we need to have we need to have healthy,

784
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: robust numbers, right. Um. But a thing that critics of

785
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: that say, including many friends of mine who critics of

786
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: the idea of hunter recruitment. We'll be like, well, why

787
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: would you want to increase the likelihood of someone being

788
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: in your spot? And when I get asked by people,

789
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: and often will give talks, and the thing that always

790
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: comes up when I give a talk because people be like,

791
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: what can we be doing? Or why are hunter numbers

792
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: staging that? Or why does the average hunter get older?

793
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: So you know what, what what do you see from

794
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: the people you meet? I'm like, you know what, Inspiring

795
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: people to want to go is not a problem, right,

796
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: There's plenty of motivation out there. The cost, I don't

797
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: think it's there's not a lot of people. There aren't

798
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: tons of people who want to hunt but can't because

799
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: the cost. They're not hung as they don't have a

800
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: good spot, and a lot of people aren't willing to

801
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: just make the sacrifices necessary to find good spots. I

802
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: found I take people out, take them on amazing trips,

803
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: and then they are going to replicate that amazing trip

804
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: unless they do tons of hard work to find their

805
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: own stuff. And that's it for him. And when it

806
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: comes down to it, so like I like, so if

807
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: I was consistent with what I'm saying, I would give

808
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: up all my spots. True, you would, because I would

809
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: be able to make a handful of people. But it's

810
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: just not something I'm willing to do. And some people,

811
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: like you know, my older brother, he just thinks that

812
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: all this talk is just ridiculous. And I've listened to

813
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: some of your podcasts where the topics come up, and

814
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of torn between. I'm I'm all about making

815
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: sure opportunity exists, but not handing it to him. I

816
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: think the worst thing you can do for a prospective

817
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: hunter is to hand them something that just show them

818
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: the easy way. Oh well, that's all there is to that,

819
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: and you've cheated him out of the entire experience of

820
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: what hunting really is. In my mind, I don't think

821
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: that's the value that people when people say hunting recruitment,

822
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: that's not what I think of. You know, bring him

823
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: on out that, bringing them out there, make sure they

824
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: kill something the first day. Now, you know, let them

825
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: get a little called, let them, you know, maybe feel

826
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: a little lost, let them have to work, and that's

827
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: the part that is going to make them a hunter

828
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: for the long term. It was if it's easy there's

829
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: no reward in it. Yeah, I don't want to make

830
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: new hunters just for the sake of doing it. No,

831
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: if you told me if I signed some treaty with

832
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: the non hunting public, he said, we'll never mess with you. Okay,

833
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: in perpetuity, you will not be messed with politically or environmentally.

834
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Okay, I'll just be the only that

835
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: honestly want to be the only guy that hunts. Is

836
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: long is you're telling me you're not gonna mess with

837
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: the habits at, You're not gonna mess with the hunting rights.

838
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: You know That's fine. I'll just be the guy I'll take.

839
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: I'll take that job. I've heard you talk about your

840
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: brother's opinion on this and growing up in Michigan. I'm

841
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: assuming it was a little bit like where I grew

842
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: up in Minnesota, where everybody hunting fish, everybody, well, every household. Yeah,

843
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean I did not know anyone who really ate

844
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: beef growing up until I went off to college. I

845
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: didn't realize how much beef, chicken, and pork got standing. Oh, definitely,

846
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: we ate all kinds like we ate. There was all around.

847
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: Domestic meat was there, but they everybody hunted, but it

848
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: wasn't like it wasn't like a subsistence area. But and

849
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: so the point I'm getting to is, because some people

850
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: grow up in that environment where you just work your

851
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: butt off and you hunt and your fish and you

852
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: trap and you do all those kind of things, you

853
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: encounter experiences that shape inform you, so you don't need

854
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: to be quote unquote recruited as a hunter. Everybody I

855
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: grew up with they were going to be hunters because

856
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: we came from a society of hunters. That was our identity.

857
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: That you weren't, Oh, I'm a carpenter and then I'm

858
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: a hunter. It was the reverse. No, I'm a hunter.

859
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Just who you were if if you were a young kid,

860
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: you looked up to the guys who were hunters in

861
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: your community, or fishermen or trappers or whatever. And so

862
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: I I think a lot of quote unquote problems we

863
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: we attribute to hunting recruitment are just the environment or

864
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: atmosphere in which we're trying to bring them into it.

865
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: You know, trying to bring someone who's only exposed to

866
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: nature or to the natural world for one day out

867
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: of a year. You're not gonna convert them to being

868
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: a hunter, like we think of a hunter, you have

869
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: to put in the effort in the work to immerse

870
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: them to a level where they understand all the other

871
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: parts of hunting. Yeah. I thought about that because I've

872
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: been um befuddled at times by taking people out on

873
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: that one day a year thing, you know, like, Okay,

874
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: I took you on this, like we flew up with

875
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: like a caribou hunt. Surely you'll now be a hunter

876
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: and then ay, there's never hunt again. Yeah, I don't understand, dude.

877
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: But then we're talking. It's not long ago. I feel like,

878
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: but if someone took me sailing, they're like, hey, man,

879
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: you want to come sailing for a day? Like why not?

880
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: Later they're like, I can't believe he never became a sailor.

881
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: I think, no, dude, I just thought to be interested

882
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: to go sailing over day. We went sailing. That's great.

883
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, do you regret going sailing? No? I want

884
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: to like be a sailor. No, it's fun. You know.

885
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people look at that way

886
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: like I look at it, like do you self defined

887
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: as a hunter or not? I do, And that's you know,

888
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: most people don't look at the world that way what

889
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: people ask me. I think we were doing an interview

890
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: with you guys, I think, and someone said, Randy, introduce yourself. Randy,

891
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm Randy Newberg. Hunter. It's just that's who I am. Yeah, professionally,

892
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm a c p A and everything else. But everyone

893
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: who knows me, all the people I hang out with,

894
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: their hunters, and we look at the world through a

895
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: lens that is so much different than everybody else. And

896
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I used to think that I was the same as

897
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: everybody else. But after you have enough of these life experiences,

898
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: interacting with enough people who don't hunt or see the

899
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: world differently, you realize that hunting gives you a vision

900
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: of the world like nothing else. Yeah, I mean, nothing

901
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: I can think of compares to the vision of the

902
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: natural world you get if you are a hunter. I

903
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: don't you mentioned trapping a couple of times. Before we

904
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: get into trapping too far, let's just take a quick break. So, Randy,

905
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned trapping a couple of times, and now you

906
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: mentioned that a hunter looks at the world way that

907
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: no one else looks at it. I'll tell you that

908
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: when I'm driving down a road and I drive over

909
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: a bridge, I know what you're saying, and I look

910
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: off the bridge, no one is looking at what I'm

911
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: looking at or not. No one, very few individuals will

912
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: select few individuals are looking off the bridge that way exactly.

913
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: And just like when I drive through a value, I'm

914
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: looking up the mountains like I do not see what

915
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: all the people see. I think that I have. I

916
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: think that hunting in some way makes it very difficult

917
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: to look at the natural world with passivity. Completely agree.

918
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: It's like you're looking at it sort of in a way,

919
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: and it sounds egotistical, but you're looking at it the

920
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: way like, well, how does this like pertain to me

921
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: in some way? Like where are the animals? Or what's

922
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: up with that spot? And it's I can I can

923
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: only see it that way if I go on vacation.

924
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: We just went on family vacation in Hawaii. The whole

925
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: time I'm looking at those hills being like, no, what

926
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: would have fella fine up there? This bone arrow? You know?

927
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I can't not see things that way.

928
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't. My wife has just been baffled by my

929
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: inability to just sit on the beach. I am the

930
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: same way my wife will say, is that all you

931
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: think about. Yeah, I don't think about one thing when

932
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: when we're doing whatever. You know, we might be driving

933
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: down the road and I'm like, on our way home,

934
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I want to stop there, kind of like you're saying

935
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: about the bridge, because at that culvert right there, I'm

936
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: pretty sure I could trap a muskrat. That's what I

937
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: was getting out, And I said, like driving over bridge,

938
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: Like yeah, so I grew up trapping in Michigan. You

939
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: grew up trapping to Minnesota. Yeah, a lot of the

940
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, fift I needed a little little bit

941
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: of groundworker. Like when you're trapping, you Romans called a

942
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: trap line, and no one just sets a trap, like

943
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: you're on a trap line, and your trap line might

944
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: be six what we call sets or locations where you

945
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: have a trap set, or in the case of a

946
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: mink long liner, you might have two D three hundred

947
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: traps out or what you call sets. So when I

948
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: was trapping, fifty percent of my sets that I would

949
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: make would be on public rightways of bridges for mink

950
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: and muskrat, mink, muskrat, raccoon. So like I divided trapping

951
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: up in my head, water trapping, land trapping, so land

952
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: trapping you trapped love it was early like we'd land

953
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: we'd start land trapping. I don't member where. I can't

954
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: remember that. When I would do it, I'd start land

955
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: trapping October ten, UM, and you'd have twenty days of

956
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: land trapping before water trapping open up. During land trapping,

957
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: I would target red fox, but um, I would get

958
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: gray fox, and I would get raccoons that weren't that

959
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: valuable because raccoons hadn't come into prime quite yet. Um.

960
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: And then November one, I would start water trapping Zone two.

961
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: When I started water trapping zone too, I would set

962
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: tons of public rightaways where you are climbing into it.

963
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: You don't, you're it's not public land. You had permission

964
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: on the land. You could park your car on the

965
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: bridge or parking car on the side of the road

966
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: and sort of skirt down the bridge abutment abutment, get

967
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: down the river and then make your set below the

968
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: high water mark. Yeah. So you just learned the same way.

969
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: Now as a hunter, I look at like a like

970
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: a brushy strip between two corn fields in a certain way. Yeah,

971
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: driving over bridges, I had a way of I would

972
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: just be able to assess it so quickly, whether it

973
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: was interesting to me or not. And a lot of

974
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: people ask me, well, how has trapping helped you as

975
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: someone who hunts, because you you still trapped? Oh yeah,

976
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: I mean, be honest, you came with me one day

977
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: last year. I just sent all the muskrats to the Canada,

978
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: to the fur auction and they sold them last two

979
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um, what was your average for large? It's

980
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: terrible this year. There's an article in the New York

981
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Times yesterday about how first coming back, no, they could

982
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: say an anfort. Thanks to Putin, the Russian are trying

983
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: to invade everything in Eastern Europe. So it's at least

984
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: for a guy who's a muskrat mink guy like I am.

985
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: Two years ago, I got twelve bucks a piece for

986
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: a double XL muskrat. This year they were This year

987
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: they were five bucks apiece. I mean premium winner skins.

988
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: But you know, two weeks out of my winter I

989
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: get to go on goof around, catch three muskrats, a

990
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: few minks and raccoon, dozen't beaver, and it's just you

991
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: catch three d scraps we always called scraps. You catch

992
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: three hundred scrats and two weeks. Oh easy, if I

993
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: if I didn't have taxis and to worry about, I

994
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: could catch a thousand on them in two weeks. It's

995
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: it's crazy what I trapped. Um. I tried a lot

996
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: of muskrats, but I trapped fox kyle and incidental. That

997
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: would be raccoon, possum, skunk on dry land possum in Michigan.

998
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I didn't know that we didn't

999
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: have them in Minnesota. I didn't know that. I bet

1000
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: they do. Now there's two things. There's two animals that

1001
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: are traditionally southern that have been really expanding the range

1002
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: northern and that all he has to do with climate change.

1003
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to do with just just

1004
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: slow adaptability. Raccoons well, several have alinas seemed to move

1005
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: northward all the time. A possums are moving northward, So yeah,

1006
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: you get death up. Incidentally, then I would trap muskrat, mink, beaver, raccoon,

1007
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: and then you were allowed, depending where you were, one

1008
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: or two river otters. And I would really work hard

1009
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: to get my otters. But I wouldn't sell my honors

1010
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: into the firm market. I'd sell them into the taxidermy trade, huh,

1011
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: because they were a novelty item, right, So like when

1012
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: I was trappling to Michigan, a bobcat in Michigan was

1013
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: worth fifteen bucks. Text terms could be hun here right

1014
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: now like good Western as they call them, Lynx cad

1015
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: even though it's not a Canadian lynx. You know, a

1016
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: really good colored spotted belly five six hundred bucks. Taxidermist

1017
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: will still pay you a hunterbucks for him, so it

1018
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: would vary, you know, back then when in my here

1019
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: coyotes are just coming in. Remember the first two kyles

1020
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: I remembers. I sold him in taxi Dervis, okay, because

1021
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: people were still kind of like wow, okay, and like

1022
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: people weren't as tied in then as they are now,

1023
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: just like pre Internet, somewhat pre internet, so it's like

1024
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: what you had access to, Like I always argue now

1025
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: that the souvenirs are obsolete. Can can I stop you there?

1026
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,479
Speaker 1: You said somewhat pre internet when you were trapping, because

1027
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: remember I had an email and no well way pret

1028
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: when I started trapping. Okay, when I quit trapping, there

1029
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: was a university email thing, okay, because I was gonna

1030
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: say the Internet for me when I was trapping growing up,

1031
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: al Gore hadn't even graduated from college to invent the Internet. Yeah,

1032
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I want to clarify the point. I set my first

1033
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: trap called my First Muskrat, ten years old, way pre

1034
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: in that. But I was thinking when I quit trapping

1035
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: at twenty two years of age, there was at the

1036
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: college I went through, there was some kind of university

1037
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: email thing and people were just starting to mess around.

1038
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, but at that time when I sold those

1039
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: two kyos is. Around that time, I was saying that

1040
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: people used to have where you could go into a

1041
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: tax nurvis and they're like a provincial bunch. You know,

1042
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: you're going to a tax's be like, here's a Kyle,

1043
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't occur to them that there's guys out

1044
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: west and stacks are kind of like Kyle stacked up

1045
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: every which way. They're begging someone to take off their

1046
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: hands and be like, holy sh it, you know, I'll

1047
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: buy that kyote off you. So you know, it was

1048
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: like that at the time, and as a site hose

1049
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: and say like souvenirs are going obo sleet like people

1050
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: were like, well, I went to France, you know, I

1051
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: bought this bottle of wine, but dude, buy that bottle

1052
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: of Safeway. Man, you know, I mean, like I could

1053
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: go and leid, but there's nothing I can't unless you

1054
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: find something out in the woods. There's nothing you can't

1055
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: give someone they just can't get. So it's like weird

1056
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: now to buy people like you go to Hawaii and

1057
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: buy a Seashell necklace. It's just weird because like I

1058
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: go to Seashell Necklaces dot Com. But we also gonna

1059
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: bring up like, I mean, that was really about trapping.

1060
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: It's you so you're ten years older I, which means

1061
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: you hit the fur boom. I missed the fur boom.

1062
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: Fur boom definitions vary. It's largely accepted that like the

1063
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Great American fur boom, Yeah, I hit it perfect. Some

1064
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: people fudge you by a year or more. But for

1065
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: there's just this this explosion of good fortune for firm

1066
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: markets having to political, economical fashion. Yeah, commodities, it's a

1067
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: it's a hedge against commodities. It's when the dollar is

1068
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: going one way first can be going another and all

1069
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: those things in fur together. But everything exploded right for

1070
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: prices for for like anything with hair fur on it

1071
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: skyrocketed in value right overnight, and every Tom, Dick and

1072
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: Harry in the world went out. For sure. It was unbelievable.

1073
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: How many people in my little town of Big Falls

1074
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: trap You gotta figure just adjusting for inflation. Yeah, muskrats,

1075
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: it was like the era of the six dollar muskrat.

1076
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: But we're talking in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, in nineteen

1077
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: eighty four, my first year in college, I came home

1078
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: for Christmas break in, me and my uncle, uncle and

1079
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: I we got six hundred muskrats in a week. And

1080
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: what what's up traffic? What kind of cover? Like? What

1081
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of have with that up? In these beaver flotage

1082
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: is in northern Minnesota, you north of Highway to you

1083
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: were allowed to cut the tops off there there are

1084
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: rat houses, and so you'd cut it off, put a

1085
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: couple of traps and there put the lid back on,

1086
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: patch it all up. You'd have your trap on a

1087
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: long wire. So when you walk by, the muskrat got

1088
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: in your trap, and you knew because he went down

1089
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: the hole into the water, pulled the pull the wire

1090
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: up against the hut. He can't molest the hut. Oh really? Okay?

1091
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: In southern Minnesota at that time, you couldn't. I think

1092
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: you can now, But we would go do that and

1093
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: one guy would just walk around these beaver flowagees and

1094
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: pull the muskrats out of the traps, put the traps

1095
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: back in, and the other guy would sit out of

1096
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: fire and skin muskrats because if if it was twenty below,

1097
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't skin them right away, they

1098
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: were hard. Oh yeah, you weren't gonna get them skin

1099
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: And so at that point in time, to be a

1100
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: college freshman and come home and get five six bucks

1101
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: for muskrats and you're half of them, is you know,

1102
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: three hundred. I went back to college for winter semester. Man,

1103
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: it was Domino's and high quality beer that semester. It was.

1104
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: It's just how it was. I came back spring break

1105
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: of that college year and we caught a hundred in

1106
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: a week, and we were catching them so fast Minnesota. Yeah,

1107
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: And like a lot of my buddies, we were catching

1108
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: so many we didn't have time to skin them all.

1109
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: And the fur buyer would come and we'd have them

1110
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: laying in the basement of my uncle's house, stacked up

1111
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: literally like firewood. And the guy would say twenty bucks

1112
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: apiece in the round. In other words, you didn't have

1113
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: to skin them anything. He didn't size them. It was

1114
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: just twenty bucks apiece. Take them and he'd just sit

1115
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: there and slap his twenty dollar bills on the table.

1116
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: And we were just I mean, we thought we had

1117
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: really hit the lottery. Yeah, first sold in three ways

1118
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: you sell it. During the fur boom, trappers got interested

1119
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: in trapping faster than they could learn their trade. There's

1120
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people out for a quick dollar and

1121
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: they were interested in sort of the discipline art of

1122
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: being a trapper, and they would sell a lot of

1123
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: fur round and round means on the animal. So fur

1124
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: buyers like, I mean, add a layer out of this.

1125
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: There's three ways of self fur. There's three ways of

1126
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: selfur meaning in the round. I got two many ideas

1127
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: going once here. There's two ways that you actually sell fur.

1128
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: A fur buyer, like a country fur buyer, or a

1129
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: fur auction. During the fur boom, you had country for

1130
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: buyers just like a guy buying for oms garage. He's

1131
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: selling to the auctions, and the same trappers can basically

1132
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: selling those auctions as well. But to sell an auction

1133
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: you gotta sell it fleshed and dried. That's hard. It's

1134
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: it's it's harder to learn how to flesh beaver than

1135
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: it is the trap of beaver. During the fur boom,

1136
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: guys will go out and trap, and just every night

1137
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: on their way home from trapping, go to the country

1138
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: fur buyer and sell fur in the round to the

1139
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: fur buyer. Or you could skin it, which is the

1140
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: easy part, and sell it green. Yeah, I sold all

1141
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: my raccoons, all my beaver green skinned but not fleshed

1142
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: and stretched. But I could sell them at a small

1143
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: auction that way because I could just freeze him a

1144
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: big chest freezer. So during the fur but yet at

1145
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: guys that didn't know what end of a knife was sharp,

1146
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: but they were trapping and selling the fur buyers in

1147
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: the round. But you're walking and selling red fox in

1148
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: the round for sixty bucks. It was crazy. But again

1149
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: remember we're talking about right, and you take those dollars

1150
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: for inflation. I remember having a couple hundred bucks in

1151
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: two my senior year in high school. That fall, I

1152
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: got fifty some mink before school, just running a trap

1153
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: line on my way to school, and I think I

1154
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: averaged like twenty four bucks a mink that's male female

1155
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: in the round. No, I I mean, because they're quick

1156
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: to skin and and dry and stretch, but actually come

1157
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: off clean like a mink. You don't have the flesh

1158
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: from two. Now that's the it's easy. And I just

1159
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: think about that now. I'm like, man, if I could

1160
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: get whatever dollars was in two, if I could get

1161
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: that today, I'd have to get out out or TV

1162
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: because I'd be trapping man all day long. But you're

1163
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: you're in a way, you were getting screwed. Because what

1164
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: I wanna say was when I came in four, I

1165
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: was coming in on the euphoria of the fir boom,

1166
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: but without the prices. There was a lot of information

1167
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: out there. There's a lot of traps use traps out there,

1168
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: but I had missed it by a couple of years.

1169
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: So but I came into a time when people there

1170
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: were still affort because it hadn't gone totally bad yet.

1171
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: We would get and I was ten, I couldn't really

1172
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: started in the earlier. The first day ever set traps

1173
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: was I set traps at midnight on November one. By

1174
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: seven am on November one, It's like I have an

1175
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: alibi for that day, dude, I could think exactly where

1176
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: it was. By seven am, we had three muskrats. I

1177
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: think we had nine traps. We had three muskrats. Two

1178
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: were caught. One was caught in front of Joe Babcox

1179
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: house in a one ten conno bear. One was caught

1180
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: in front of this this Foster family's house on North

1181
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: Lake one ten conno bear. And we caught one on

1182
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: the north trending side of Crazy Mary's Point in a

1183
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: number one single long spring traps that under a stump.

1184
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: We're a bank then entered. I could tell you every

1185
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: damn detail of that day, and we sold those muskrats

1186
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: for I think our big ones that year. We caught

1187
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: twenty the first year, and my old man lent it,

1188
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: lent us the money like I have older half brother.

1189
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: He gave a six number one, He gave a six

1190
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: number one long spring Victor long Springs. Then what we

1191
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: did is our old man lent us money. He drew

1192
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: up a little contract, even on a yellow legal paper,

1193
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: and lent us enough money to buy one dozen Northwoods

1194
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: one ten conno bears, And we caught our first year

1195
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: trap in twenty muskrats. One smallish raccoon and made enough

1196
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: to not only pay for the conno bears we bought,

1197
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: but to go buy a bunch of more connobaris. And

1198
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: I was off running because at the time, if you

1199
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: called a buck mink, a buck makers worth twice as

1200
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: much as a female. And it's even then minks held

1201
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: because you would get forty bucks for mink. Yeah, oh

1202
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,839
Speaker 1: it's it was crazy. And I remember my two brothers

1203
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: one time late in the year, I like quit, I

1204
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: pulled out of our trap and collect to touch at

1205
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: my two bars. I can remember what someone's going out

1206
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: of school. But anyways, they went to set some more

1207
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: muskrat ponds and I didn't participate, and they came home

1208
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: and picked up two mink out of muskrat sets. Remember

1209
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: the dudes walking through with for forty bucks a piece

1210
01:08:54,560 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: and being blown away. I remember night six, I shot

1211
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: of mink with a thirty two special, took his head

1212
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: off and board a groove down the center of his back,

1213
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: and we took it to it for by her name,

1214
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: the Abe Sallessina, and Abe Sallessina offered me like four

1215
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: dollars for that, making my old man cursing him out,

1216
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: really because he thought you were getting a bad treatment,

1217
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: he said, I'd invite you to sell that mink for

1218
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: more somewhere else than the dude bottle being right and

1219
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: want to take to make so I was missing a part.

1220
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: So now here you are what you said. You're twenty

1221
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: two and last time you trapped. So I trapped from

1222
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: the time I was ten to the time was twenty two,

1223
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: and I thought I was taken. I was still into it.

1224
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: I was paying. I remember paying a guy named Mark

1225
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: June who later became like a video white tail guy.

1226
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: I remember paying Mark June two fifty bucks for a

1227
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: day's lessons in trapping Red Suburbia, Red Fox. So do

1228
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: you miss it? Oh? Yeah, But I still said every

1229
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: I still set traps because I still I like. I

1230
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: eventually settled into the thing I like to do is

1231
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: trapped beaver through the ice. I love it. It became

1232
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: my thing. I liked everything about it. I liked. We

1233
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: would go out and out in the ice December January

1234
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: with a push broom and push brooms, snow away on

1235
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: the ice looking for bubble trails, exhale trails and take

1236
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: axes and chain sauce and ship and get down through

1237
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: that ice and stringing snares and stringing three thirties and

1238
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: I loved every minute of it. I like falling through

1239
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: the ice. It's like I liked everything about it. Man,

1240
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: And I still now will trap. I trap to beaver

1241
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: to spring. I'll still trap it, and I'll send it

1242
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: and get a tan and I'll haven't made it into stuff.

1243
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: So I got. I trapped my own hat, I trapped

1244
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: my own mittens. I got some stuff getting made right now.

1245
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: I got a beaver that my brothers haven't made into

1246
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: a hat for his wife. So I'm still in the

1247
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: fur business. But I'm just in person. I'm into personal use.

1248
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: And then I eat the beaver meat. I like beaver

1249
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: meat well, but I'm not into trap. I'm not trapping

1250
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: numbers like I used to out after a beaver. And

1251
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: I know some people are listening to this and probably thinking, man,

1252
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: these guys, they're off their rock here talking about trapping.

1253
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: But if you've trapped, you understand the excitement of ain't

1254
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: in bed at night thinking, oh that one that set,

1255
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: that last set I made tonight, that's gonna catch one

1256
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: in the morning, and you almost can't get to sleep

1257
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: at night. You can't it's worse than opening the night

1258
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: before opening day of deer season. I could never sleep

1259
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: between seven because we'd go out and set at midnight.

1260
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: Because we live in a high competition area. Okay, we'd

1261
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: said our pre we picked like what's the premos spot,

1262
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: and we'd set start set midnight and we set like

1263
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: even even up into whatever age. When I quit trapping,

1264
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 1: I was still set traps from midnight through the dawn

1265
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: up to dark. Wow. And I would get a lot

1266
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: of sets out. I would punch in usually more than

1267
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: seventys wowe for mixed bag from otter to scraps. It

1268
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: was never that competitive for me. I mean, everyone kind

1269
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: of okay, Randy's gonna be out here to be out there.

1270
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: It was no one bothered. But before we get done

1271
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: there and get too far, I'll just get started on

1272
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: talking to we We could be honest is in here

1273
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 1: and looking at us like, man, these guys can really

1274
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: spin it out. But I want to. I want to

1275
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: just before you make it, if I want to say

1276
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: one last thing about the people think you're off the

1277
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: rock about trapping. Yeah, I remember making the observation and

1278
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll stay by this today. The most skilled outdoors and

1279
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: are trappers, no doubt. And here's how I'll prove it.

1280
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: If you fish, there's people out there who just fish. Yeah,

1281
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: right now, anyone hunts knows how to fish. Correct, anyone

1282
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: that traps knows how to hunting fish. That's exactly right.

1283
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: It's just like you know what I mean, It's just

1284
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: a thing. You're better a trappers, better than everybody else.

1285
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: You know more bits of And I have to talk

1286
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: about I like, I remember I made this point before

1287
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: about guys who want lions with hounds. People be like,

1288
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what's the challenge and shooting line out of

1289
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: a tree. And then I met some houndsman who hunt lions,

1290
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: and I realized that guy holds more bits of information

1291
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: in his head. Right, if you can somehow quantify information

1292
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: way we have digitally, right and add up how many

1293
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: bits of hunting information does a guy who shoots white

1294
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: tails out his father in law's farm in Wisconsin? How

1295
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: many bits of information are in his head? And how

1296
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: many bits are in a houndsman's head? He has gigabyte

1297
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: upon gigabyte more information in his head. Yeah, I a trapper,

1298
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: A good trapper. You can't when you talk about read

1299
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: and sign the ability to read sign and it's just

1300
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: in space awareness and having a landscape map in your head.

1301
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: You can't get closer to it than a hardcore trapping.

1302
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: The anticipation that the trapping requires, as far as anticipation

1303
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: of what that animal is going to do, just makes

1304
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: you think an experiments so much more than hunting does.

1305
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: Because trapping, they are stepping within and you know a

1306
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: two inch area, you got you, guys, I need him

1307
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: to step right here, okay, archers, Yeah, forty yards is

1308
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: good enough to circle forty yards? Yeah, which means the

1309
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: eight yards circle circle with an eight yard diameter, and

1310
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: it's talk about a circle that's an inch and three quarters. Yeah,

1311
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: and the most some archers who are just badass woodsman,

1312
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: but try to get that to a two inch circle.

1313
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: And the benefit is with archer, you need to be

1314
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: there when it happens. With trapping, you don't need to

1315
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: be there when it happens. Yeah. I want to get

1316
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 1: to this point, Steve So, I read your book about

1317
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: your bison hunt in Alaska. I mean I knew you

1318
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: back when you did your show on Travel Channel and

1319
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: and uh I lucked out. I drew a free range

1320
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: bison tag in Montana. For it was January two thousand thirteen.

1321
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: I said, all right, I gotta go find a good

1322
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: bison book. I read your book, and you are either

1323
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: a stark raving nut or one hell of an author

1324
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: that makes that hunt and the danger involved seemed way

1325
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: greater than it is, or you just have a death wish.

1326
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: I read that and I said, this guy is he

1327
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: owes the world the tragedy if this is how he

1328
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: conducts himself out in the wild all the time? Was

1329
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: it is this just like a really good piece of writing,

1330
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: or was it really that wild? It was one of

1331
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: It was like the most intense ten days that I've

1332
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: spent hunting. It's some of the most intense reading I've

1333
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: ever But here's the thing. Here, here's I'll take a

1334
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 1: couple of things. It's like, that's a different kind of hunt.

1335
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: Like the Copper River hunt is a difficult hunt, and

1336
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: it used to be much more difficult because at the

1337
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: time I drew it, all the land along that river

1338
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: was inaccessible because it's tribal land. Now they have a

1339
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: set access feed for people that draw that tag. At

1340
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: the time I drew it, there was no such thing.

1341
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 1: So you have this river, and there's herds of animals

1342
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: that migrate a good distance forty miles. They ca up

1343
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: by these glaciers in the wrangles, and they wenter down

1344
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: on these gravel flats, these willow flats along the Copper River,

1345
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: and there's really nearly distribution. It's a humongous area, maybe

1346
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: a hundred animals, and it's spread out over a ton

1347
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: of ground. And at the time, you could not hunt

1348
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: the river corridor. All the huntable land you can find

1349
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: down below high watermark. Okay, on a gravel flat, does

1350
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: blow high watermark and kill it there, Okay, as long

1351
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: as it didn't go up. If it walked up, you're screwed.

1352
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: Or you could get past the buffer along the river

1353
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: by wading up a tributary stream to get in, because

1354
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 1: then you're fine. You're blow high watermark to get into

1355
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: the hunting area. The year I drew tag, they gave

1356
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: out twenty four permits. Four guys killed an animal. The

1357
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: seasons eight months long. They find that most people don't

1358
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: show up. Once you find out, they send you a letter.

1359
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: After you draw the tag, they send you a letter.

1360
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: They used to this is two thousand four. They send

1361
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: you letters saying like, Okay, I drew the tag, but

1362
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: basically you're screwed because there's serious land ownership issues. You

1363
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: have to understand what you're getting into. It's like there's

1364
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: major access issues. There's a lot of barriers to this.

1365
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,440
Speaker 1: I went, and the minute I drew it, I sold

1366
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: the story of this before going, I sold the story

1367
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: of this to a magazine outside magazine. I was a

1368
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: writer and at the time I lived a very hand

1369
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: of mouth existence. So I'm doing a story that will

1370
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: offset my costs in doing this. So I'm gonna get

1371
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: like four thousand bucks to do the story, the hunt,

1372
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: all everything is gonna cost a lot. I had to

1373
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: do it. So I find out and people say like, well,

1374
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: why did you write like a book? Like why did

1375
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: you write your book? There's two reasons. There's the there's

1376
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: the not the real reason, but there's like this like

1377
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: reality reason that oftentimes has to do with with money, right,

1378
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: and it just is pragmatic. I guess, like, well, because

1379
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna write an article about it, you know,

1380
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: and I sold the thing, why did you really do it? Well,

1381
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in Buffalo. I only write about what

1382
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm interested in. I got in as a story chronicles.

1383
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: My interest in Buffalo spawned was spawned by me finding

1384
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: a buffalo skull in the Madison Range in a weird

1385
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: place like nine tho feet above sea level the mountains.

1386
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: I went up having a genetic line extracted from it

1387
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: head at Radio Carpon dated like the book tells this

1388
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: big story of Buffalo and in America. But the minute

1389
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: I found at skull, I was like, Man, I'm gonna

1390
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: write a book about these animals. I just don't know

1391
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: what the storyline is gonna be. And then I drew

1392
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: that tag. So I had a lot riding on finding

1393
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:37,839
Speaker 1: a buffalo and killing and I got into situations doing

1394
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: that that we're in and in I chronicle all this

1395
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: like very detailed way, and like, yeah, when I was

1396
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: doing that book, you know, because some people just fabricate

1397
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: whole cloth and then publishers get in trouble and writers

1398
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: get in trouble. So when I wrote that book, they

1399
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: made a big point like I had to go over

1400
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: everything on maps, provide names for people for them to call.

1401
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: They just like wanted to know. But I could take

1402
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: you up there right now and walk you through it,

1403
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: and once you see what I'm talking about It would

1404
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:11,759
Speaker 1: all make sense in that you're confined. In my case,

1405
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 1: you're confined to either being in the Dadina, Nadina or

1406
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: Chettilina River. You're not gonna get to Anals river. The

1407
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: only way to get to Anals rivers is wait till

1408
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: it freezes, which is like the other guys that kill

1409
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: buffalo or hunting off snow machines going up the frozen river,

1410
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: wait till the river freezes, and they're killing them in

1411
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: the winter when the bad weather has pushed them down

1412
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: into the willows. The letter I got from fishing game

1413
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: that says you're screwed points out successful hunters on his hunt,

1414
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: and that's why they give you eight months to start

1415
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: September one, and you have eight months. The reason they

1416
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: give you that it's because the river freezes. They say.

1417
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: Most guys that killed buffalo and this hunt do it

1418
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: off snow machines when the animals are pushed down in

1419
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: the river flats. But you should be aware that river

1420
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: hasn't frozen in three years. Okay, they hadn't been killing

1421
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: any buffalo off that hunt. When I first drew the tag,

1422
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: I was like sweet. I talked to my brother, I

1423
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 1: got a brother in anchorage. He's got friends and snow machines.

1424
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up in march, and we're gonna go up.

1425
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: You got your low daylight, but you just basically cruise

1426
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: the river up and down, up and down until they're

1427
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: you just standing in a non on the hunkle willow

1428
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: out on a willow island. It got where it just

1429
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be. And so I got this idea that

1430
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have friends bring me down. We're gonna hunt together.

1431
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: And I'm at first like, oh fine, one on the river.

1432
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: So I get my brother, two of our buddies who

1433
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: are avid rafters, and we get down and there's three

1434
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: main river areas we have identified as being areas where

1435
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: they've been killed in the past. We passed one past

1436
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: the other, get to the third and have seen like

1437
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: a set of tracks. These guys have jobs. They're not

1438
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: starving like you. They're like, sorry, dude, I'm like, I

1439
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: guess our only option here is that you'll leave me

1440
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: here and you know, like cell phones and ship like

1441
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: that's not going on. You'll leave me here and you'll

1442
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: come back and get me like a week over week

1443
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: now on a Sunday, and I'll be backed down here.

1444
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: I have no way of getting up or down the river.

1445
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm on the Copper River at the mouth of a tributary,

1446
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: and I got a little patch of ground I'm looking at.

1447
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: You're not doing ship because I can't even leave the

1448
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: little island I'm on because I'll be on off land

1449
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: and I know I'm gonna write about this, so I

1450
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: can't do like a wink and nod, right, I could

1451
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: get checked into or I'm also very vulnerable because I

1452
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: can't have a dead animal land somewhere. I can't have

1453
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: it land. You know. At that point, it's like I'm

1454
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to just start. I'm just gonna have to

1455
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: put waiters on and wade up this cold ass river

1456
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: by I sell and if I find one. And I

1457
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: did shoot a one thousand pound animal that I need

1458
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: to then move by myself down to where I can

1459
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: get it into my body's raft next week, and there

1460
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: begins like a whole set of problems. So you had

1461
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: invited me, and so like, yeah, it was like it's

1462
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: not replicable, but it's like it all it seems weird,

1463
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: like the ship that I had to go through. But

1464
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: when you start factoring in like all these decisions, and

1465
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm constantly being egged on by a couple of things.

1466
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: The rareness of drawn the tag. They've now they've since

1467
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: made it retroactively once in a lifetime. Once you draw

1468
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: a buffalo tag in Alaska, and there's some gravy hunts,

1469
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: it's like the Delta junction hunts are basically shooting buffalo

1470
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: out of oat fields once you draw a tag. And

1471
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: it proved me once left that once you draw it,

1472
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: you cannot draw it again. I'm not talking successfully harvest.

1473
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: Once you probably can't draw it. So I'm now in capable,

1474
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: and I was correct. It was once literally once in

1475
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: lifetime hunt. And I knew that I wanted to write

1476
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: my damn article and I wanted to then write my book,

1477
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: and the way to do that was to kill that buffalo.

1478
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: Because and just before that, I read you leave. Yeah,

1479
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: you had called that summer and said, hey, we should

1480
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: go to southeast Alaska and do a sick of blacktail hunt.

1481
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: And then you and Dan came down with limes, I think,

1482
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: and we had to cancel that hunt. And then I

1483
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: read a bunch of other hunts. Yeah, and I read

1484
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: that over the course of that fall, I'm reading the

1485
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: book and I'm like, if this guy takes this many

1486
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: risks just to write a freaking story, I'm really glad

1487
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: he got lines to these and I'm not up in

1488
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,839
Speaker 1: the alpine of Prince of Wales Island trying to survive

1489
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: with this crazy ass because i mean, looking back on it,

1490
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: do you say, what the hell was I thinking? No, No,

1491
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: because as a real it was just one of those

1492
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: great it was just one of those great hunts. And

1493
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this man's we had a conversation this, you know,

1494
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: on this podcast. We had a conversation about um, you know,

1495
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:28,520
Speaker 1: like the way how how filming or writing effects the experience.

1496
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: It's becoming separable for me now though, because I've been

1497
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: gifted the ability to do things and go places and

1498
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: have experiences um that I just simply would not have

1499
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: ever had were it not for you know, writing and filming,

1500
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: because it's just I simply wouldn't have had the money

1501
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: in time, you know, I have, Yeah, I got lime,

1502
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 1: not filming, but I've had a lot of other problems

1503
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: and like small problems, large problems, dangerous situations did in

1504
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: large part I just was egged into those situations somehow

1505
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: by one by my desired hunt. Cause I got friends

1506
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: have never stepped foot near filming and never stepped footing

1507
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,440
Speaker 1: near right and they get in all kinds of situations.

1508
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: Does tend to I'd be lying if I said it

1509
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 1: does tend to add a second layer of motivation. It does.

1510
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: I feel the things and stay out doing them because, um,

1511
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm almost wish it wasn't true, but it's true. I

1512
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: may have um watching my buddies and I wasn't as

1513
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: experienced in the out of doors in two thousand four. Um,

1514
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: I think it's to the two thousand four hunt. Yeah,

1515
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: standing on that bank in a strange place in Alaska,

1516
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: watch my bodies, so like see you and like there's

1517
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, yea grizzlies, so a wolf read up from camp.

1518
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there would have been a strong thing

1519
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, you know, it's just not the

1520
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: right year. Yeah, But I was like, no way, man,

1521
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: Because as much as I'm a dedicated hunter, I guess

1522
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like a dedicated writer. Yeah. And I've spent

1523
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Alaska. I locked out. My

1524
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: grandparents lived there. I got three uncles who lived there,

1525
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: and I go to some crazy places in Alaska and

1526
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the risks, just Alaska itself has inherent risks like no

1527
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: other place. And then you are there alone and anyone

1528
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: who has been on a free range bison hunt like

1529
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: you and I have, and you tip one of them over,

1530
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 1: You walk up to it and say, what in the

1531
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: f am I gonna do here? Seeing one at Yellowstone

1532
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: Park or seeing one at the you know, the local

1533
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: bison farm does not do it justice too. When that

1534
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: thing's laying on the ground, it's cold, you're wet, and

1535
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: all you have is a knife, and you add all

1536
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: those together, and you did this in Alaska. I was

1537
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: just like no freaking night this day. The day I

1538
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: killed that one, I was camped on a ridge. It

1539
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: was like a ridge, but basically at the top of

1540
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: a canyon, like the plateau above a canyon. You know,

1541
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: it seemed like a ridge, but I actually didn't drop

1542
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: off the other side. But uh, I was. It's snowed.

1543
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: I was sleeping under a little red tart red on

1544
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: top still round bottom. I had that tark strung up

1545
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: and I was actually burning buffalo chips because they had wallowed.

1546
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: They had wallowed in that area of summer, and I

1547
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: had a little mound of them stacked up under my thing.

1548
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: I just had a tarp, sleeping bag, buffalo chips backpack

1549
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: and um woke up in the morning it was all

1550
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: like wet snow had fallen and I was gonna light

1551
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: us start my alcohol stove to make some coffee. I

1552
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'd better take a look down in

1553
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: the canyon, you know, um, before I start my sofa.

1554
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: And I just grabbed my rifle and peered over and

1555
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: just like there was the freaking herd of him coming down,

1556
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: maybe because the snow just single foul. And um, there's

1557
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: a big cow and they're up towards the top and

1558
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: there was wet snow, and I shot her with a

1559
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm left hand, I shot the right hand and three

1560
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: h mag I borrowed from a body of mine, and

1561
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: that thing started going down that wet snow. It's a

1562
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: long drop, very steep pitch, and when it hit a

1563
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: stand of aspens or poplars, you know, I mean, it shattered.

1564
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was like a bowling ball hitting bowling pins, man,

1565
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: but just like smash and just stuffed flying everywhere. And

1566
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I went down and that thing was so entangled in

1567
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: trees I couldn't lift its head up. I remember I

1568
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: just started. I was like, I was just gonna try

1569
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: to get a back leg off that thing. Yeah, And

1570
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: I eventually dragged the back leg away, and then I

1571
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: cut a little gate to try to get some guts

1572
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: out of it. It was just it for three days. Wow.

1573
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: For three days I cut and carried, and that didn't

1574
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: even get it down to where I needed to get

1575
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: it to. I cutn't carry just to get it down

1576
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,799
Speaker 1: to the tributary. So of all of the crazy things

1577
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: that writing and filming has maybe pushed you a little

1578
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: further than you otherwise would have you look back, is

1579
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: that one of the defining ones that you say, you

1580
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: know what, There's nothing else I could have done in

1581
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: my ordinary life that would have given me this experience,

1582
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: this sense of reward, this sense of accomplishment. It was

1583
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: four There's four trips that made I guess. There's there's

1584
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: four trips that made I feel like you're interviewing meet Mandy.

1585
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 1: But there's there's four trips that I'm just curious. Yeah,

1586
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: there's four trips that made me like who When I

1587
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: think of like who I am? Um? As a hunt

1588
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: of the fortress and made me who I am? That's

1589
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: one of them? All four we're in Alaska. Uh. The

1590
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 1: first was the first carribo hunt I went on on

1591
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: the north slope of the Brooks Range, just like pickup

1592
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: truck canoes. Me and my brothers just had no idea

1593
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: what we're getting into. The second was the first time

1594
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: we went on a very unsuccessful doll sheep hunt. Just

1595
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: park truck across the river, start hiking nine days, saw

1596
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: one ram about three miles away that was sub legal. Um.

1597
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: The third was a successful sheep hunt we went on

1598
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: where we mean we killed two rams the self guided wall,

1599
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, and in that buffalo hunt are the ones

1600
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: that like, if I could give everything else, if I

1601
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: had to keep forward and give the rest of the way,

1602
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: I'd keep those four. No doubt, We'll all quit interviewing you.

1603
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: I'm I'm overstepping here, But I'm just curious because now

1604
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: that I reflect back on having hunted for thirty eight

1605
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: years and tagged along with my grandfather and my dad

1606
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: even before that, I look back and there's just certain

1607
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: events that I'm like, you know what, no other activity

1608
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: that I could have done in my life outside of

1609
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: being a hunter would have exposed me to that would

1610
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: have allowed me to walk away with that perspective. Maybe

1611
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: that confidence maybe pushed myself to that edge of saying,

1612
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,919
Speaker 1: what the f am I doing here? But then somehow

1613
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: being able to pull out of that. Uh. And I've

1614
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: not been in combat, so I'm just you know, I'm

1615
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to equate hunting to what it's like

1616
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: to be I haven't got a shoot at you or anything.

1617
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: But of hobbies and activities or passion in life, I

1618
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: can't think of anything that would have given me those

1619
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: experiences of you know, I could probably listen a handful

1620
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: of them like you do. And so now when you

1621
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: get to be fifty, you reflect back on that and

1622
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: you're like, well, ship is am I just kind of

1623
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: out to pasture? Now? Am I done with those really

1624
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: cool experiences? Or do I got more of them ahead

1625
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: of me? And you're kind of getting this reflective mode

1626
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: at that point, and then then you start interviewing the

1627
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: host of the show because you feel like you're a statesman.

1628
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Those challenges and tough things that happened to you and

1629
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: the discomfort and the like rewards and all that that

1630
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 1: makes a special caliber of person. I like, oh, man

1631
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: Or people. I hang out all man Or people. But

1632
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to like being comfortable around people in

1633
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: bad situations, like being confronged people in the outdoors, Guys

1634
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: that have been through the military, mountaineers and big game

1635
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: hunters tend to be like people that I just like

1636
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: feel comfortable around that I feel like like reliable. Do

1637
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: you mean, like when you're with people and just people,

1638
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: you gotta take care of people to not only take

1639
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: care of themselves, but take care of everybody else. I

1640
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: remember a guy talking a most the people he fished with,

1641
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 1: and he said, Steve, you gotta wait in line just

1642
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: to wash a dish. I mean, I mean like the

1643
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: doozy hangs out with, Like if you want to wash dishes,

1644
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: get in line, buddy. Everybody wants to wash them dishes.

1645
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: It's like that level of just like attacking problems. You know,

1646
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: there's not many things in life to give. I'm sure

1647
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: there's more than I'm naming, but lifetime exposure to those

1648
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: things seems to make the kind of guys that you

1649
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: gotta get in line if you want to wash a dish. Yeah,

1650
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm biased because just about everyone I hang

1651
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: out with as a hunter, and so I can sit

1652
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: here and share these kind of experiences with them, and

1653
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I can have this very wow. Yeah, I get that

1654
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: to its greatest detail. And when I'm in the field

1655
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: with them, I'm very comfortable around them. There's some people

1656
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: where if you gave him a butter knife, I'm so uncomfortable.

1657
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: I think this guy's gonna figure out how to cut

1658
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 1: his thumb off of a butter knife. You know. There's

1659
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: just some of those people where you're like, I gotta

1660
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. I'm not gonna have

1661
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: any fun if I'm with a guy like this. And

1662
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: usually they don't have the background of the three types

1663
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, the military, of the mountaineers, or big

1664
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: game hunners, and maybe there's a couple other sl For me,

1665
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, That's why I asked a question of

1666
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: how profound that hunt was. That's a situation I'm in

1667
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: now is you know, I got kids and my wife.

1668
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: I had this ongoing debate where I expose them to

1669
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm not negligent anyway, but I expose themto what we

1670
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 1: might be regarded as dangers by a big segment of

1671
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 1: the oh yeah, population right. To me, it seems like

1672
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 1: very pedestrian, not dangerous at all. But some people might

1673
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: regard activities that I expose my kid kids to kids too,

1674
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: as being like not age appropriate or being a little

1675
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: bit dangerous. And I'm always like, yeah, okay, that's a

1676
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: little bit dangerous, like he might cut his finger. But

1677
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: they always point out we're having this conversation your day,

1678
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: someone's like everybody keeps talking about my kid cuting his

1679
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: finger with his knife. I always cut my fingers with

1680
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: my knife when I was a kid, So it's like, who, dude,

1681
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: like one how like, let's not act like that's the

1682
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 1: end bad. Yeah, it's like that's just a given, you

1683
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: go cut his finger. But I always like, okay, let's

1684
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: deprive him of the dangerous stuff. But at what at

1685
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 1: what danger does that come out of danger? I think

1686
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 1: because later on it's like you went up with a

1687
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: helpless person and there's other ways to get there. It's like,

1688
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if there's like some Bible

1689
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: pass like there's many ways to get to whatever, there's

1690
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: other ways to get there. I'm not saying like if

1691
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: you don't hunt and fishing your kids you're gonna have

1692
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: crappy kids. Because's certainly not the case, because you can

1693
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: get there a bazillion ways. But from my exposure, my

1694
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: experience where I come from the way to get there

1695
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: that I understand, the way to get there that I

1696
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: can present to my children is very much that way.

1697
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Because them watching me right isn't gonna get them there, true,

1698
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: it's just not. Then watch me record podcast isn't gonna

1699
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: get them there? Okay, then watch me flay fish. It's

1700
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: hard to explain. I feel as all that might really

1701
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: my son felt a lot of danger when you'd see

1702
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: me balance in the debts and the credits. It's like, Dad,

1703
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 1: the way you really handled that that advocates you are

1704
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: the Charlie Daniels of the advocaust. Dad, Man, I feel

1705
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 1: comforted now you've taught me the life lessons. But yeah, um,

1706
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,719
Speaker 1: and it's a false in some ways. You might regard

1707
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: it as the false world now because um, in my mind,

1708
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: the nature of subsistence has changed for people to live

1709
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: anywhere else side of small handful locations around the world.

1710
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: The nature of like subsistence hunting and fishing. You know,

1711
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: it's not like I always say, like I'm gonna beat fine, dude,

1712
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: you can take hunted fishing way from me on that.

1713
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you. I'm gonna start right. You know.

1714
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: It's like reality TV, like if they don't get this,

1715
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 1: they'll die. Right, It's just not true. But I guess

1716
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: I've just in some way opted that I believe in.

1717
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Elements of that subsistence lifestyle, right still pertain, all right

1718
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: in the main risk of imminent starvation isn't there, But

1719
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 1: there are tremendous risks of like character, um fortitude, understand

1720
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 1: how do you use stuff? How do you use physical objects? Yeah,

1721
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: my son went to college back in New York, and

1722
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: I wondered, Man, how is he going to fit in

1723
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,799
Speaker 1: back there? He's coming from Montana we did hunt, fish,

1724
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 1: you know, shoot whatever, and he's going to an Ivy

1725
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: League school that's kind of well, it's known to be

1726
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: not like Montana. Yeah, and so I'm worried that. Okay,

1727
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 1: he goes there, How's he gonna fit in? How's he

1728
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna cope with the different environment and the things he

1729
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: learned in the coping skills that he brought from hunting

1730
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: and fishing and understanding how a natural world works. He

1731
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,600
Speaker 1: blew through it with no problem. I was so impressed

1732
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: with how adaptable, so much would he learned as a

1733
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 1: hunter fisherman shooting, cutting his finger with a knife when

1734
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 1: he's six, you know, shoot your eye out. I mean

1735
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: he had to be begun when he had like five.

1736
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: But he was in a whole group of people that

1737
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: were not exposed to that, and he kind of emerged

1738
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 1: from that not just unscathed, but almost like a leader

1739
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: that they looked to because would look at like the

1740
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: woods upbringing and say, oh, they might miss out on

1741
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: some sort of social you know, aspect that they're gonna

1742
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 1: get more if you grow up in a big city

1743
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 1: like New York. But that's not the case. It's like

1744
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,520
Speaker 1: you still have to have all those relationships and communicate

1745
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: with people and work through all that, and you're probably

1746
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: gonna learn it because of the hardships and even a

1747
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: better way, in a stronger way, where like you're saying,

1748
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 1: he went there to that Ivy League school and people

1749
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: are like, wow, this dude, Like yeah, strong and just

1750
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: his perspective of ability to look at a more complex

1751
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: problem and not needed to be sanitized down to little

1752
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: compartments of you know, oh, well, this is a historical question, no,

1753
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 1: he I think hunters a general rule of people who

1754
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: understand the natural world can stand back and look at

1755
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 1: a bigger, more complicated problem with multiple variables like you

1756
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: see in the natural world, and other people struggle with that.

1757
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,839
Speaker 1: And I didn't really give it much that until watching

1758
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: him go through that process and watching some other kids

1759
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 1: his friends go through and do it similar things in

1760
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: different places, and I we'd have the discussions of how

1761
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 1: you fitting in there? Fine, what what do you mean? Like, well,

1762
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: you're the one walking around with camouflage boots on an

1763
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,760
Speaker 1: IVY League campus and everyone else's you know whatever, you

1764
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: got your mad bomber beaver fur hat on and your

1765
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: chopper mints. I don't care. I'm warm even able to

1766
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: put everything in just a very simple solution, very pragmatic,

1767
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: And so this whole idea that we got it kind

1768
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: of coddle everybody, you know. Back to your point of

1769
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: what is the future danger of removing all the dangers today?

1770
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: I think we end up with kids, or they become

1771
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: adults that can't handle a lot of things that maybe

1772
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: some of us just take for granted. I remember being

1773
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,759
Speaker 1: out with I bought this this sit on top kayak

1774
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: called the Big two in a kayak, very stable sit

1775
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 1: on top fishing kayak um And you know, I bought

1776
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: it very much. Minded out fishing my boy when the

1777
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 1: seattle are there's a lot of water around there. I

1778
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: just wanted something that I could get in the water

1779
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: and the whole time, like sit on top the whole time,

1780
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: Like what if the kid falls in the water in

1781
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: the winter, And I was like, all my thinking was like,

1782
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: how he's gonna not fall in the water. And we

1783
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: go out like I'm bundled up. You know, he's got

1784
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 1: Obviously I don't let the kid in near your boat

1785
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 1: with I life jacket on. Um we get on the water.

1786
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, January February, Pacific Northwest. And

1787
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: he was offended by later accused him of just basically

1788
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 1: jumping out of the kayak. He just like all of

1789
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's in there, and then he's in the water.

1790
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: He like, look, it seemed to me that he did

1791
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: some kind of barrel roll out of his seat into

1792
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: the water. He fell very much. He did not want

1793
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 1: to be in that water, and like like he's just

1794
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: there and then he's floating in the water, you know,

1795
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: And I hauled him out of there, and like, at

1796
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: first my mind is just racing, you know, won the

1797
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: wrath of his mother. Yeah, but sure, I mean I

1798
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: didn't have him out of the water five seconds. I

1799
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: was glad he fell in. Yeah him, because I'm kind

1800
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: of like one falling out of the boat too. If

1801
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: a dude falls out of a boat in really cold weather,

1802
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: here's what you do. We're gonna run through it right now,

1803
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: so you understand like the situation we're in, right yea,

1804
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, now I look at it like the one

1805
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 1: thing I didn't want to have and fall out of

1806
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 1: the boat. Now, when I think of like highlights of

1807
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: the last year, I'm like, man, you know it sounds perverse.

1808
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, it was great when Jimmy fell out of

1809
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: that boat, because like, look how much content we got

1810
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: out of that, Like life's content, you know, revery like

1811
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: anard time we were down in Baja fishing and then

1812
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I went out in the dark to fish, and I

1813
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:53,719
Speaker 1: told him a thousand times and like stay here, Daddy's

1814
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna walk out in the dark. Don't move, you know

1815
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 1: that I was going on to get a better as

1816
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 1: I come up something's gone and look he's like rolling

1817
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: around the tide. I read out and grab him. That's

1818
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: just kind of like drag him up them in the shower.

1819
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: I was like, why in the world, you know? But um, yeah,

1820
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I guess I'm kind of glad because

1821
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: at something I feel like it's adding layers out there.

1822
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 1: It is. I I mean, I think about the stuff

1823
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 1: that I did. My parents would have been in jail

1824
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: and we would have been in Foster home in today's

1825
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 1: world and actually dangerous about in my podcast that we

1826
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: were talking about last week, I tried to me and

1827
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: my cousins tried to build a bomb to blow up

1828
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 1: train bridge when or eight years old. I mean, you

1829
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: think about doing that now, But it's one of I learned.

1830
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I learned so much about how you can

1831
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: saw a shotgun shell in half and pull the wad

1832
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: out and dump the powder and a paint can. And

1833
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: I mean, and that if you didn't direct the force

1834
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: a certain direction on they did was blow a scour

1835
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: hole out between the two railroad ted. I mean, but

1836
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: the stuff that we did was so valuable as I

1837
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: got older in life, and maybe it's because of the

1838
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: path I chose later in life. It was valuable. Maybe

1839
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,640
Speaker 1: if I hadn't done all that stuff, I would have

1840
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: taken a different path than people would have said. Maybe

1841
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: that knucklehead grew up in that little town there. He

1842
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: doesn't know his asked from third base, but how to

1843
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: blow up railroad? But anyhow, all right, so let's uh,

1844
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, plug it you've been working on a

1845
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: podcast deal larging conservation is I'll let you tell me. Yeah,

1846
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 1: and it's it's thanks to your friends here at zero

1847
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 1: point zero. Uh, we were on a bear hunt last year.

1848
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 1: Janice and Dan were filming me and we talked about

1849
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. That's got us a hunt to

1850
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: eat T shirt infamy. There you go, what do you

1851
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: call them the Latin? Yeah? That that magnate hunt. You

1852
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 1: gotta hunt of eat T shirt? I do? Thanks? Yeah,

1853
01:45:56,240 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: did you give it to him? Yeah? Yeah? That good

1854
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 1: plug here there. He's not gonna send you one. You

1855
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: gotta go to hunting dot com. Yeah. I mean they're like,

1856
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 1: you need a podcast, buddy. You you're just like spouting

1857
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 1: off all the time. You're blowing and carrying on, you know,

1858
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 1: with no one. Yeah, you know, just nothing but a

1859
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 1: few seals and you know, to two poor camera guys,

1860
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 1: and uh so it took us the last part of

1861
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: a year to decide we're going to do this. And

1862
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:35,480
Speaker 1: so thanks to these guys, we have the other podcast

1863
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: at zero points zero producers called hunt Talk Radio I e.

1864
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,799
Speaker 1: Raindy Newberg, Gun Filtered and it's just me and friends

1865
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:49,560
Speaker 1: talking about hunting, fishing, growing up, conservation, a lot of politics,

1866
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: and probably we got into marital advice at one time.

1867
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: Didn't know you know, you know we we we end

1868
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: these podcasts where you get to have a concluding thought, Yeah,

1869
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 1: give me some marriage not that I needed, but give

1870
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 1: the listeners marital advice as you're concluding. OK. I don't

1871
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: like to dictate your concluding thought. No, if you see fit,

1872
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,919
Speaker 1: every camera guy I have is like in his twenties,

1873
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 1: early thirties, he's getting in this, you know, thinking of

1874
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 1: getting married, like Dan, isn't Dan getting married? All right?

1875
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 1: And so there are I'm gonna wear the pants in

1876
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: my house and I just about driving the ditch. When

1877
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I hear him say that, I'm like, yeah, right, And

1878
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: sooner or later it's like, all right, you've been married

1879
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: twenty six years, Randy, give me one piece of advice.

1880
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: So this will be the concluding thought. Yeah, I'm gonna

1881
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 1: do marriage advice from mine. Okay, if you want a long,

1882
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: happy marriage, be more interested in peace than you are justice.

1883
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: You don't have to be right. Being right is expensive,

1884
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 1: financially expensive, emotionally expensive. And you don't get hunting fish

1885
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: nearly as much as the guys who let let them

1886
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,919
Speaker 1: be right half more than half the time they're right anyhow,

1887
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 1: So you know what are Yeah, it's not about this

1888
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: whole idea of justice. I'm right, she's wrong. You'll regret

1889
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: saying that I proved you that I actually was. Yeah.

1890
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, anyone who's been married more than about a

1891
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 1: month has been down that path. Yeah, and so I

1892
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: just tell everyone be more interested in peace than you

1893
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 1: are justice, and all will be well. I have three

1894
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: pieces of barrel advice I tried doing quick said a

1895
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: very strong precedent um. When you meet a man or

1896
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: a lady, live the life that you want to live.

1897
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: Ten years into your marriage will not earned back. You

1898
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 1: don't get freedoms exactly. The news doesn't get looser. You

1899
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 1: guys who would start dating a girl and they're all infatuated,

1900
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 1: and you know it's like Thanksgiving at their parents and

1901
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, instead of doing whatever, and then a couple

1902
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: of years down the road they're like, well, you know,

1903
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 1: I actually usually on Thanksgiving, I'm usually you know, we

1904
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 1: usually fish steelhead around. Thanksgivings are kind of coming into

1905
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: the rivers. It's like that, you don't you go we

1906
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 1: go to Mike MoMA's every year for Thanksgiving. But yeah, well,

1907
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:23,639
Speaker 1: I mean normally it's like live it, you know from

1908
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: the start. Yeah, it's much you're talking about dragging yourself

1909
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 1: away from mama. Drag even at its most difficult point,

1910
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: at its most difficult point in the beginning, find it

1911
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: in yourself to drag yourself away from mama. See piece

1912
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 1: of Marral. Advice I have is uh, how long you've

1913
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: been married to you? My anniversary is coming up. Well

1914
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:50,679
Speaker 1: I know that mean one year now. I got married

1915
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: two thousand eight. Okay, so you're seven years in. Yeah.

1916
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm giving advice, not from like having with you know,

1917
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: weathered time. I'm just like, okay, just observations. Um, you

1918
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: always here. It's like cliche pick your battles, oh for sure.

1919
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: It's like there's just some stuff like, for instance, issues

1920
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: with my kids, like like what they're doing, when who's

1921
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna where for holidays? You know what I mean, Like

1922
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 1: what their clothes are, like what time we're supposed to

1923
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: get up or what time they gotta be Just like, okay, yeah,

1924
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: that's just static. Just like and I'm not I'm not

1925
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 1: saying that just the kids. But there's many issues, like

1926
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: many matters of of how our house is structure, how

1927
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:38,719
Speaker 1: our time is structured, matters of our social life. Okay,

1928
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of stuff like when you're gonna

1929
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 1: be working, when you're not gonna be working. Um that

1930
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, you know we're gonna be moving, Okay,

1931
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: So like the house we're gonna live in. I know

1932
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: I have some input on this, but not a ton

1933
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 1: um drum rolls. Number three, number three? How can I that? Remember?

1934
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 1: Number three? Oh? Read the works of Cormac McCarthy. He

1935
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 1: never talks about marriage. But read the works of Cormac

1936
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: McCarthy and try to decipher his moral code, which is

1937
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 1: consistent throughout his works, And then and and read them

1938
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 1: and internalized Cormate McCarthy's moral code, and you'll have a

1939
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: better marriage. Huh. I'll have to read that it's you're

1940
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:26,680
Speaker 1: saying a huge you're making a huge commitment for yourself. Well, like,

1941
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 1: is it? It's not, it's not. Well, I just just

1942
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: wrote many books, but start with the Border trilogy. Oh no,

1943
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 1: and I'll sum them up because also the way I've

1944
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: interpreted the works cars. But there's a morality there where

1945
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:46,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to live in a world

1946
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: that existed before they made the decisions that they've made. Okay, yeah,

1947
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: did you go like, oh, but you're still trying. It's

1948
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 1: like I see it all the time. I have to

1949
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 1: reading Corn McCarthy like, oh no, no, buddy, you're trying

1950
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 1: to live the life that that that existed before you

1951
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 1: made a very willful decision to take a certain path here,

1952
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 1: abandon the notion that that that you like, abandoned the

1953
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 1: idea that you're somehow going to get out of the

1954
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: situation you're in, kids, whatever. It's like, you're here now.

1955
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 1: There is the life outside of this. Stop pretending that

1956
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:25,719
Speaker 1: there is. Yeh, yeah, that's how long you've been married.

1957
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: You could have a concluding thought. It doesn't have to

1958
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 1: be about marriage. Now. I'll give them about marriage. I

1959
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 1: think twelve years, two thousand three, So I got a

1960
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: couple under my belt. They've all been great. Um, this

1961
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 1: piece of vice actually came from another fishing client of mine.

1962
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 1: I think I got it her a few times her her, Yeah,

1963
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 1: and she'd been a in a long, long marriage and um,

1964
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 1: she basically got dumbed for the you know, the secretary.

1965
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 1: It's something along those lines, and not the fishing guy.

1966
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 1: She not the fishing guy. She didn't she didn't see

1967
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 1: it coming, and it really beat her up. And so

1968
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: she went on. She embarked on this you know, like

1969
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: it was it was a pole, but it was like

1970
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: a journey. But there was like this poll that she

1971
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: constantly kept up with, and she kept tallies and notes,

1972
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 1: and when she saw old couples, she always went to

1973
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 1: him and said, hey, what's what was What's like, what's

1974
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: the secret? What's your one little tip or whatever? And

1975
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:26,679
Speaker 1: what she came away from with it all the number

1976
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 1: one one word that people always said. And everybody's like, oh,

1977
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: it's love, you know, It's like, well, love is bullshit.

1978
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times love just does not

1979
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: have that lasting powers. What does is commitment. And I

1980
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: always try to remember that, well, I'm committing, you know,

1981
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 1: and I believe, and I have to believe that my

1982
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 1: wife is also committed to me and that always, you know,

1983
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: no no problems getting too hard times Ronnie Bain, who

1984
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: has no shortage of wise observations. I was talking to

1985
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: an old man one time that was speaking of his

1986
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: wife and the only and said, you know, ron I

1987
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't give you ten cents for another one just like her,

1988
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't take a million dollars for And there's

1989
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 1: sort of like a fatalistic sort of thing there. It's

1990
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 1: just like that's what I got. Well, I think any

1991
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:22,360
Speaker 1: of us would get to hunt, travel as much as

1992
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: we do. I gotta have something figured out. And I

1993
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of people ask me for

1994
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 1: maritle and that I'm giving an elk cutting seminar, and

1995
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: someone will raise your hand, how does your life wife

1996
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 1: let you hunt so much? And so I got it.

1997
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going into this doctor field discussion

1998
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 1: there or something, and I tell him the best deal

1999
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 1: I ever made in my marriage was when we built

2000
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 1: our last house in two thousand and four. I told

2001
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 1: my wife, you can take of the cost of the

2002
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 1: house and add it to furnishings whatever you want. I

2003
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care what color, what size, but

2004
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't never want to hear it. Budget discussion about

2005
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: hunting over again, and she jumped on that like a

2006
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 1: rat out of Cheetoh man, she was on it, And

2007
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: so hunt a lot. But here's the thing, though, I

2008
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 1: love being married, like, oh me too. I love seeing

2009
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: my wife. I love being married, I love having my kids.

2010
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,160
Speaker 1: I like to hunting fish. It's like, so, yeah, there's

2011
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that all everything that I'm arguing

2012
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 1: is I'm behalf of me out hunting fish more. But

2013
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: I think that, like we're saying there, there's certain lessons

2014
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,120
Speaker 1: to be found hunting and fishing, and there's certain things

2015
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 1: where you know, that's just like something that's important to me,

2016
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: and I've found a way to have it be that

2017
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: it's just like an integral part of the household. Even

2018
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 1: though my wife, you know, familiar with sympathetic tords. But

2019
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: what never does it self identifies the avid angler? Yeah,

2020
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't hunt like will certainly fish, but doesn't.

2021
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: If you got these ten things she is fishing with,

2022
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 1: fisher woman wouldn't make the list. Oh gosh, I'm sorry

2023
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 1: to keep adding tang entel. Everybody had a concluding thoughts.

2024
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: This is the longest we've talked, the lost we've ever

2025
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: had to actually talk. Oh really, man, I'm sorry, No, no,

2026
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean you and me. Oh yeah, you and I.

2027
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 1: We had a long phone conversation whatever. Remember, But yeah,

2028
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 1: it's it's good. Hopefully we'll get to do it over

2029
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 1: camp fire and a fresh backstrap someday. Well we're all

2030
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 1: sick from something. Yeah, I don't know. You guys come

2031
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 1: down with more food born ailments. I just telling my

2032
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 1: wife about some of the things you guys eat, because

2033
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:34,920
Speaker 1: she asked me what I was doing with that bear

2034
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 1: I shot this year, and I told them you, Oh,

2035
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 1: Janice wants these hawks in this She's like, aren't those

2036
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 1: guys that get sick every time they cook something? And

2037
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, She's like, and you said you were

2038
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:51,800
Speaker 1: going to go hunting with him sometime maybe, so yeah,

2039
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:53,600
Speaker 1: you only need anything that comes out of a package.

2040
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: But well, guys, thanks for having me. Great. I appreciate

2041
01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 1: all you guys do for hunting, and in the the

2042
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 1: message you guys are getting out there is so need

2043
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 1: nude and so valuable not just to hunting, but how

2044
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 1: hunting can expand its boundaries to a bigger discussion in society.

2045
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: So as I want the last usually I'll say like,

2046
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: thanks for listening, but let plug the plug the podcasting

2047
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Hunt Talk podcast Randy Newburgh Unfiltered and can go to

2048
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 1: iTunes and get it produced by zero point zero. Thanks

2049
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: for letting me plug it in, Steve tune In. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: everybody appreciate it.