WEBVTT - Pattern Seventeen w/ Josh Pais 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.240 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:30.360 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:31.560 sv podcast. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.280 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.839 And I'm Liza Traeger. We talk SVW crime. We have 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.040 celeb guests up top. We chit chat, we get. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:44.639 Yeah, I mean we had. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.640 We've had a lot go on since we last recorded 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.040 an intro, and I feel like we're in the full 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.760 time machine now where this is coming out so late. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.960 So if you follow us on Instagram, you're probably like, yeah, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.000 we know all of this, but we did. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.760 Or if you see us at the live shows, define 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 spread some gossa. Also, thanks for coming to see us 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.800 in the Pacific Northwest. Oh my god. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.720 We had so much fun Vancouver and Tacoma and Portland. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.720 You guys were so fun. Thank you guys so much 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.880 for coming out. Everybody was I mean, in Vancouver, we 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.319 took a photo, we took a video of ourselves down 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.399 by the waterfront where there was this like sort of 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.559 artistic rain drop behind us. When we got to the show, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.960 a woman had already crocheted us our own rain drops, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.280 and I was just like, you guys are wild and 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.640 loved it. My kids are loving the rain drop and 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.760 they are playing with it often. But I wanted to 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.640 tell you got we willait. If you've been to our 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.679 live shows in the Pacific Northwest, you've heard this. But 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.800 we did go to iced Tea's star ceremony on the 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.000 Hollywood Walk of Fame last week. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.120 It was incredible. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.240 It was a moment I'll remember forever, like for sure. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.240 Truly one of the like one of those things where 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.480 I'm like, this only happened because I'm friends with Lisa, 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.000 Like I would not have gone to this probably on 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.400 my own. I certainly wouldn't have done what ended up happening, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.640 which was I was like I had to give blood 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.480 the morning of, so I was like, gonna pick up Lisa, 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.200 but it was gonna take too long at the blood, 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:15.680 so she just took an uber ahead of me. So 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.639 then she's texting me from the place I'm getting there 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.440 for ten thirty. It's an eleven thirty start, and she's like, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.639 I'm in this fan area. It's horrible it's like a 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.480 pen and they're just like, we can't be in here. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.079 You have to get us into the press area. And 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.880 I'm like me, just about the pen. It's like, you know, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.360 I could be in a fan area. It was like 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.079 to the side, you couldn't. Yeah, you couldn't be the ceremony. Yeah, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.960 you couldn't hear the ceremony. We talked to someone after, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.000 so it was just like just to stand there. It 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.840 was it was atrocious. It was weird. I just didn't 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.920 get it. But it is on Hollywood Boulevard. There just 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.200 isn't room. It's not like they were extra assholes. They 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.359 can't shut down this like not holl So, yeah, is 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:56.200 it Hollywood Boulevard. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.520 Yeah, it's like yeah, it's like it's like to me, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.720 I would compare it to like I would compare it 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.600 to like the people who wait out line outside of 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.520 like red carpets or whatever. Like you can see stuff 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.360 at the oscars if you get there early, and you 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.960 like you can see the celebrities walk down the red carpet. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.360 But this is like such a small area on a 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.240 busy street that they can't make it. 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.720 That they can't make it so that you can watch 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:20.640 it like there's just. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.960 No angle where regular people can watch it unless you 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:25.920 stand in the middle of traffic and trust us. People 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.200 were trying to do that, and the security kept being like, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.760 you gotta move, get out of here, because I don't 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.440 think they want people to get like, you know, fully 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.480 hit by a car in the middle of a star ceremony. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.440 But so I get there and Lisa goes, you got 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.200 to get us into the press area, and I go, well, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:39.880 why can't. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:40.120 You do it? 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.280 And she's like, because I gotta stay in here and 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.800 keep my spot in case this is the best we 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.720 can get. And I'm like, okay, Like, and I have 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.440 been in a press pack. You also had like blowout curls. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:51.520 You looked business. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:52.920 I was. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.920 I was undressed. I was wearing my like jokey Wu 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.280 tang jacket. But like I was like, okay, okay, I 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.280 actually have been in a press box before, and this 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.119 isn't like the worst I can do. The worst they're 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:06.440 going to say to me is no, So I guess 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.240 I can give it a shot. So I go up 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.800 and I see this woman in a severe ponytail and 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.000 a camel coat and we will call her camel coat. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.040 The rest of this time, and I can tell she's 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:16.880 the head bitch in charge. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:17.800 I want to hire her. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.960 Yeah, one has a no nonsense look. She is like 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.560 just fucking the bitch in charge. So I'm like, I 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.080 hear her going media check in and she's like looking 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.880 around and she like her and I make eye contact, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.279 and so I go up and I go, yeah, I 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.680 don't know if my RSVP went through, but I have 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.120 a popular podcast about law and Order SVU. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.000 And she goes no. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.080 I go, I like, she just said no at the 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.960 word podcast and I go, well, I go, I go, 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.040 we have like a lot of listeners and our podcast 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.000 is literally named off from an iced tea quote and 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.760 she goes, oh really like that like melted her a 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:54.160 little bit. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.080 She was like, wait, why didn't you RSVP? 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.159 And I go it wasn't me, it was our pr people, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.320 Like I fully like I wouldn't even tell our people 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:01.479 we wanted to go, you know what I mean, Like 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.479 I'm blaming it on anyone I can. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:05.880 And I'm like it was just a snuff woo, you know. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.800 And she goes, well, it's really full, like we're full 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.960 right now, and I go, any chance anybody won't show up? 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:11.920 And she looks down at her paper. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.599 She goes, everybody's checked in, and I go, anyway, I 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.279 could just stay around for a little bit and see 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.520 what happens. And she goes, yeah, why don't you do that? 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:19.880 And I go, you want to write my name down? 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.680 And she goes like you could. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.720 Tell she did not want to write my name down, and. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.839 I go, it's kaar And she was having a really 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.040 hard time with clank and I was like, all right, cool, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.359 I'll just be right over here. I magically get a 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.960 spot right in her eye line that's right outside of 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.320 the media area. Casey's cracking up. You cannot believe This's 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.600 like Scooby Doo shit I'm doing, and like so like 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.120 I'm staying I'm right in her eye line, and I'm 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.880 just scrolling my phone. I'm really just reading text from 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.400 Lisa that are like, what's happening, what's the status? But 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.680 I'm acting like, oh, I've got so much business to 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.560 do on my phone, and her the camel Coat has 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.599 like an assistant and the camel Coat woman at one 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.800 point cohost it's not looking good, and I go, Okay, 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.720 I'll just keep hanging out. And then I'm there for 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.080 like a half hour waiting because the thing doesn't start yet. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.040 And so then when the thing is about to start, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:06.960 she goes. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.680 The assistant looks at me and goes, okay, you're in 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.640 just you, and I go no. 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.120 I was like, it's just me and my co host. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.960 She goes, just you, and I go, you cannot make 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.679 me Sophie's choice this shit, like please, Like I cannot. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.360 I'd rather send Lisa in alone, like I'm not gonna 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.480 just go in by myself. And so I I was like, please, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.960 we'll stand close together and Camel Coke can see us 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.360 kind of having this like this one on one, and 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:32.680 she goes, just get him in here. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.599 So I text the said I go hurry now Lisa. Well, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.799 and happened, well, yeah, because you said you wrote hurry. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.800 So I take off and a man in the fan 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.440 area goes look at her, go and she's on the move. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.679 She's on the move, baby, And then the one friend 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:52.800 A made is like, where are you going. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.560 I'm like, I think we're getting in, And I. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.719 Zipped on in and we were in the tented area 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.839 like feet away from the action. Honestly, well I don't 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.440 really know measurements, but we were so close, and we 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.640 saw everything. I mean, we saw baby Chanel leap into 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:15.320 Marishka's arms. We saw Coco arch her back taking photos 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:16.440 near her daughter. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.760 We saw on all fours, by the. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.800 Way, on all fours, on all fouring the star. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:25.720 I'm in the back of those photos. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.960 Oh yes, If you guys see any of the photos 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.840 the iced Tea and random people have posted of it, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.640 you can see Liza all I got. I found a 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.480 photo on Twitter of her whole body. But you can 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.560 also see just like like knees down of Lisa behind 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.600 Coco while she's like sexually kissing the star of I. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.640 Yeah, definitely not good footwear. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.920 I'm embarrassed about my rebox, but it happens. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:48.880 But also we. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.440 Got the scoop that usually only like fifty people are 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.360 in the tent or seventy, but there was a one 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.640 hundred and fifty because he's so popular. Everyone was wearing 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.920 funny shaped hats with feathers, and the stench of weed 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:02.400 was strong. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.120 It was potent. Yeah, it was strong. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.600 It was I was gonna say the word robust, but 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.320 that's not a word I use. But and there's a 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.280 Simpsons episode with that word. But I think it can be. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.679 I think anytime you want, you can introduce you new vocab. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.400 But not only were like the SVU family strong there, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:26.640 but we had Russell Simmons was there, Chuck d ice Cube, 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:28.880 Mike Epps was there. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.480 I mean it was really fucking cool. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:30.960 Yeah. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:35.160 One dumb bitch, I would say, was the narrator who 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.240 is at the host the hosts of the shes like. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.800 The she I think she's like the president of the 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.400 Hollywood Chamber of Commerce that does the Walk of Fame, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.600 or she's the president of like the Walk of Fame Society, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:48.280 and it's like your entire life is like reading out 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.600 people's names and like introducing people. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.840 She called it SUV. Let's start there. Yeah, she called 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.920 it SUV. She could not say Odafin Tutuola for the 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.520 life of her. I think if it was a life 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.520 or death situation, we'd be attending her funeral. She could 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:10.520 not say it. And then she said Detective Olivia Benson. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.160 And so when Marishka got up there to do her speech, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:18.440 she said, it's Captain Olivia Benson and we went we 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:19.040 went wild. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.320 Yeah, it was really it was cool, Like I just 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.400 you know, I've met celebrities like I don't get that starstruck, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.080 but like Marisia Harkinzey is definitely a person that will 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.600 star strike me for sure. And she was so close, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.120 Like I've never I lived in her neighborhood for a 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.320 decade on the Upper West Side, never ran into her, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.800 and I've just never seen her in person, and this 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.960 was the first time, and I was like, wow, Like 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.080 she was so gorgeous. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.480 Her hair looked amazing. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.280 I loved her shoes and her hair really was. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.000 Papa, and she was with her daughter, and she had 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.520 her daughter with her and it was like a little 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.400 girl's trip. I think I saw on her Instagram later 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.040 it was like girls weekend or something like so cute 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.719 that she just brought her out there for that, and 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.720 I mean, we posted this on our Instagram, and like 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:07.160 she definitely this. This has been like reposted on random 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.000 SVU accounts and stuff as well. But I really like 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.160 didn't realize that her star and her mom star right 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.960 next to each other on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.160 So she was like, this is where we're always next 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.880 to each other, side by side, and I was like 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.559 about to cry, like it was so sweet. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.920 Yeah, And I just didn't know he was so prolific 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.800 in friendship, you know, like obviously a music and acting career, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:32.160 but everyone really like loves his friendship and he loves 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:36.040 them and respects people's opinions and wants to work hard 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.439 and doesn't mess with the bag, you know. I mean, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.280 Casey's already doing the flag Are you out of your mind? 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.280 We we have so much to say, oh my friend. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.040 So Marie Fauston did this like why are you single? 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.520 Live show and she hands red flags out to everyone 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:53.240 in the audience. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.400 They get to like wave them, yeah, because like. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.760 Single people come up and then they like make fun 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.160 of why they're single. So if you're if you want 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.240 to go to that show, that's the thing. But yeah, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.640 I've never actually seen a good moderator. The Pailey Center 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.240 moderator I saw sucked the variety of my Like, I've 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.640 never been in a place where I go, Wow, that 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.920 moderator's crushing it. And I'm always like, how the fuck 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.240 did this woman get this job? And why am I 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.880 not moderating? I mean I don't. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.520 Yeah, I run a free comedy show on Wednesday nights 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.160 in Los Angeles, and I ask every comic if it's 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.880 not obvious I'm like, how do I say your name? 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.920 Like I want to say their name correctly. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.400 I want to get their credits right, like you are, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.040 like that's your only fucking job as a host. And 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.320 this woman like just I mean, she was smiley, she 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.360 seemed happy. She did not know any information. Everything she 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.520 had she was fully reading it. She couldn't say marishka hargatay. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.560 She said marishkah and she gave up after hard, like 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.760 she couldn't even finish it. We didn't get a haggardy 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.320 like it was not it was not good, but everybody 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.200 was having a blast. I was starstruck by baby Chanelle. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.120 I'll be honest. Oh yeah, she. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.640 Is cute and she walks up on that stage and 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.439 she is she loves being a part of it all. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:04.719 She really enjoys it. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:05.160 Well. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.800 It was so cute because Iced Tea like referenced her, 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:09.760 but he didn't really say come up here, and she 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.400 just got up and like walked up onto the stage 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.720 like yep, I'm gonna be up here, and then she 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.679 was just up there behind the podium but you couldn't 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.800 really see her like the whole time next to her dad, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.280 and it was so adorable, like she just got an agent, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:23.240 and you can tell why. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.600 There were moments. I mean, Murushka walked right past us 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.240 going on to her car, and we both just stood 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.040 and waved and like we each had intentions of what 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.319 we would have and wanted to say, maybe a selfie, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.960 but like it was just too powerful. It was it 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.080 all happened so fast. But we got to hang out 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:42.840 for a while after the ceremony is over. You know, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.480 there's press there and everyone's kind of chit chatting. And 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.440 then when iced Ty was finally ready to go. I 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.040 loved this part. He went coco Let's ride, and then 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.880 they all left and we were wondering what they did after, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.040 and they posted that they went to the Hotel Roosevelt 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.959 for a Roosevelt Hotel for lunch, a little lunch. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.520 I said, congratulations, Well, earlier Lisa Ice passed Lisa because 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.880 afterwards it was really just a clusterfuck of people taking 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.040 photos with the stars. So I see was like walking 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.319 by us. We didn't want to bother him, but Lisa 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.400 goes congrats Ice, and he kind of just like didn't respond. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.680 And then later I go congratulations and he was like 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:18.840 he kind of grunted at me. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:19.520 So I don't know. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.240 Hopefully we'll get him on the pod and we can 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.040 figure out what his mindset was that day. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:29.800 Yeah. Also, okay, so yesterday, no big deal. I went 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:35.080 to a Michelin star Indian restaurant. Ooh, what is name called. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:39.720 It's called Sema and it's in Greenwich, and I went 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.760 with Nimesh Patel, you know, a Patel. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.560 That's why we we got a table. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.880 I mean, because it's one of those where you know, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.360 you have to get up at midnight book a reservation. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.040 So but he is a famous Indian man, so we 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.679 got a nice table right away. The chef came out 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.319 said hi to us. We got to talk to him 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.720 and then we you know, I didn't order anything like 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.600 no mash keupt ordering, but they could tell that I 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.080 am white and they brought me a yogurt sauce, which 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.680 was fine. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.880 Because you're not a big spice girl either. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.120 Like I mean, no, I was keeping it together, but 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.280 you know, the beats, yeah, the beats, head kick. I 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.720 don't know what to say, but we had lobster. I 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.360 mean it was really cool because I don't eat Indian 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.440 food often at all because of the spice, and like 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.000 I don't know, like curry is messy and I like 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.000 to eat in my bed. But it was so good 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.280 and it felt really fucking cool. And it's the first 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.360 Michelin Star Indian restaurant in the country. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:37.320 Wow. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.480 Really yeah, So have you been special? I don't know 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.320 if I've ever been to a Mechelin Star restaurant at all. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.160 Oh really yeah? Oh that's wild. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.840 Well, like, which ones have you been to? 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.800 I've been to a bunch because it's something that I, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.640 you know, I try to do. But also this trip, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.640 I went to a Jean George restaurant called Percy Street 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.120 with my and Joel, And this was actually on my 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.360 list of things I wanted to discuss because this happened 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.920 two days in a row and it fucking enraged me. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.400 So the one day, I was in Seattle at the 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.600 Crocodile or here, and after thanks everyone that came to 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.360 the show, and then me and a few of the 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.400 people that work at the venue went across the street 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.040 for a drink. It's last call, I mean, the bar 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.200 is closing. So we're on the way out, the bar's closed. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.480 We're like bye, we're leaving, and three people want to 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.320 come in and then the three people come in go 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.320 could we just take one shot? And the bartender goes fine, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.040 and I go, well, we want to take a shot. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.720 So we all enter and the bartender's like, fine, one 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.520 more shot for everyone, and then this bos like the 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.680 one of the people that walked in turns to us 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.840 and goes and don't forget guys, you know the rules 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:45.880 if we stay late. The tip is this, and started 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.880 explaining to us how to tip, and I just was like, 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.800 who the fuck do you think you are? Like, I 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.720 just got so pissed off where it's like what makes 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.640 you think it was like man'splaining one hundred Like what 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.640 makes you think that you need to tell us how 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:01.080 to tip? 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.280 It just really bothered me. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.520 Now cut to our friend knows the bar manager at 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.200 this like Jean George restaurant, and we order what. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:12.160 We're sitting at the bar. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.960 We got there early, We're having a great meal, and 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:16.920 then the bill comes and I turned to her and 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.320 I go, hey, can you tell me what they comped 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.360 so we can tip on top of it? Because I 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.360 knew they were going to cover some desserts and drinks. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.400 I just knew it, So I go, let me know 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.800 what was free so we can tip more. He comes 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.800 up to us and he just graduated culinary school in 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:33.600 twenty sixteen. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.440 Like he is young, he's in his twenties. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.720 He comes up to us and gives us the speech 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:39.440 on how to tip. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.040 Thank god, I've been through therapy. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.440 But like he just goes, So, you know, I took 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.200 some stuff off the bill, and customary in our industry 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.480 when you take step you tip on their original amount. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.520 And I handled it well, and I try to be 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.360 funny about it, and you know, like we just I 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.760 changed the convo to be about other stuff. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:00.560 But my head, I. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:01.360 Wanted to be like, you think. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.680 You're the first fucking restaurant that's camped me, Like are 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.879 you out of your mind? We're over a decade older 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.800 than you. We we were just talking about it, and 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.440 I just couldn't believe it happened two days in a row, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.840 because I was already mad from the night before. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:17.159 So what'd you say? 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.639 I just went, oh, of course, And then Joyel was 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:22.840 just like did I not do. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.120 That last time I was here? 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.879 And then I could tell she was annoyed because it's like, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.280 why the fuck do you like? And so then I 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.720 just went, well, I'm so scarred with my father that 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.000 I'm always on it. And then he just started talking 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.840 about all the cultures that don't tip and I was like, 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:41.359 all right, whatever, and then it just moved on. But 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.639 I don't. I just am like I don't get it. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.000 And then I had another man's plaining thing that wasn't 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.560 about many. But I'm at a comedy seller. I do 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.200 whatever the fuck I want. So, like, there's this emergency 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.320 exit door, but we use it to go outside, like 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.080 to do drugs, no, to smoke weed. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.240 It's like the cigarette stoop. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.480 Yeah, And I'm exiting the door with Rob a couple 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.439 of our friends, and a guy who's sitting there turns 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.600 to us and goes, uh, that's not the door, guys, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.240 And I go, I can use whatever door I want. 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.160 And I hope he was humiliated in front of his day. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.359 And Robbie was just like, wow, you just had that ready. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.919 She goes, this man's from out of town visiting. He 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.800 doesn't know what the fuck's going on, and he's telling 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.639 me what door to use or not, Like, I just 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.919 don't know what happened this week where everyone decided to 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:26.239 do that. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.000 It really annoyed me. Yeah, there's the moon. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.240 The moon is in a weird place where men think 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:32.520 they can tell you what to do. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.320 But the tipping of it all was just like what 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.320 you think, we've never been to a nice restaurant, like I, yeah, 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.680 it's very confusing to me. And while we were talking, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.720 I was like bringing up La bernadett I was like 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:51.159 bringing up all these places, like and she lives in 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.159 the building his girlfriend lives and that's how they know 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.680 each other. So it's like, we all can afford this meal, sir. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:01.159 It just it really got me going. Can you comment? 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:05.280 I also, I mean, that's ridiculous, Like, I'm proud of 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.280 you for your restraint, but I also I'm surprised you didn't, like, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.640 sort of passive aggressively rip him a new one, because 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:12.600 that's what he deserves. 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.600 Well, it's his it's her friend, you know, they each other. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.840 Whatever you want to be, you want to be cool. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.320 I wanted to be cool, but I wish, I wish, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.600 I said, do you think this is the first time 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.280 a dessert has been comped for me? Yeah? 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:26.760 Like, what are you talking about? 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.919 Well, I told you how famously I went to a 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.080 dinner with a friend who you know, and it was 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.560 fully comped, like almost the whole meal was comped, I think, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.920 and he only tipped and he only gave like I 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.320 don't know, like he just did not tip enough. And 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.240 I felt horrible, but I like didn't have cash, and 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.280 I was like, I can't be like, here's my credit card, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:45.520 can you put extra tip on this? 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:46.200 You know what I mean? 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.879 I remember now, I couldn't do anything about it. Like, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.040 but I was like, you are like a restaurant guy, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.399 this is fucked up. Also, I'm crazy. I've been to 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.640 plenty of Michelin star restaurants. I don't think I realized 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.960 how common they are. I've been to a bunch. Yeah, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.920 I could tell you were a search something online. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.400 I was like, well no, I was just like, wait, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:03.400 what are the ones in LA? 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.960 And I've been to like Gwen and I've been to Redbird, 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.480 and I've been to like a place of Providence. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.879 Providence I went to, which is very That's one of 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:10.400 those like. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.320 Here's your tiny little thing with foam and a little 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.520 piece of sprig of whatever, you know, like and they 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.160 bring you like twenty things and you know it's cute, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.320 but everything the presentation is wild. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.679 Okay, we should get started. I know we have more stuff, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.840 but another day, another intro. We have a great episode 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.040 lined up for you guys today, So this is SNL. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:34.240 Stick around, We'll be right back. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:43.480 Okay, We're in season sixteen, episode nine. We're doing Patterns seventeen. 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.880 And I watched this twice in one week, and even 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.440 the second time watching and I was like, wait, I 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.639 don't remember anything like it was like I keep feeling 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.000 surprised with this episode. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.680 I don't know why, but I. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.919 Watched it like last week and then last night I 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:58.800 had to go back and look up a summary of 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:00.879 it to be like just to check one thing, and was. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:02.480 Like, wait, that happened. Yeah it is. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.600 It is weird. It's like an episode that won't stick 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.040 in your brain or something, but why because it is 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:09.639 really good. It's shocking. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.120 It feels even more like a movie than anything. But same. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.560 We watched a prep for the interview. I watched again 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.120 yesterday and it took me halfway in to be like, oh, yeah, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.040 I remember this. Finally. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:23.960 I can't believe you had the same experience. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.440 It really is totally. 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.240 Fucked up and weird, but it is so good. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.200 So we open up on a big light brown leather 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.320 bag and it looks like a coach bag, if you know, 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:39.200 that helps you visualize. And it's giving off the vibe 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.440 of affordable luxury. And this woman is wearing a green 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.800 plaid shortcoat with matching green nails, and she's sneaking around 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.160 the city. She does seem stressed. She puts her keys 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.280 into a business lock and then it opens up. The 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.240 metal shields of the like the covers of the glass doors. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:54.960 Do they have a name? 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.480 Security gates, I think is what they're called, right, but 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.880 a gate his gates. 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:01.600 This is like. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.159 Solid right whatever, yeah, but hopefully and we're all together. 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.760 It's like the covers. It's the covers so no one 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.280 gets into your store at night. It's rolling up slowly. 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.320 I could tell she wishes it was faster. She's looking around. 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.360 She opens these coffee shop doors, and then an arm 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.639 appears and pushes the door in, and I'm like, and 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.119 then it's just iced tea, so a nice sigh of 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:27.719 her life. And then Benson appears as well, and she's like, sorry, sorry, 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.960 And then the girl is like, sorry, sorry, it's coming 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.600 back to me. So we realize what's happening is the 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.159 retracing steps of her attack to help this investigation. She 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.120 really doesn't want to do this, but they say, we need, 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.160 you know, a cognitive re enactment will help bring back 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.280 some details of the attack. So in the hospital she 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.359 said that she didn't have details about the attacker, you know, 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.120 because it was dark. All we know is he had rubbery, 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.280 thin medical gloves. He pushed her inside the restaurant and 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.240 again she did barely saw his face. She does remember 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.680 under his breath he was humming church music. Her eyes 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.080 start to water and she recalls he also said, nice 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.560 to see you again. Maybe we will have tea soon, 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.640 and then he walked out, and he also took off 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.400 his gloves as he walked away, and like through them. 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.159 So the girl leaves with the uniform cop and Benson 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.200 and fig walk and they're like, let's get CSU down 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:19.159 here and find the glove. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:21.879 This is the most far fetched thing that's ever happened 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:22.439 on SVO. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.119 You're gonna find the latex glove from days ago in 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.840 Chinatown on the streets of New York. Crazy, what like 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.520 it really is, like a gibbon popping out of a 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:39.920 basketball is more like grounded than this. I like that is. 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.000 The New York version of a needle in a haystack, 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:43.879 Latex love in Chinatown. 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:45.960 You're not gonna find it. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.359 You're gonna find it, but you're gonna find a lot 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:49.360 of other ones too. 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.920 And some are not gloves. So did that ever happen 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:54.119 to you? 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.320 When I was little, and you know, I played with 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.280 all the neighborhood kids in the block, there was a 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.800 kid who found a used condo and went, what it like? 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.920 Touched it like that because at first you think it's 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.000 it's like the thumb of a glove, and then you're. 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:10.680 Like no, yeah, we were all really upset with him. 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:15.679 Okay, so Finn is like, maybe this guy like stalks her. 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:17.920 It seems like so, you know, he wore a condom, 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.159 he knew how to make her pass out. This is 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.240 a pro, and they know that he's going to do 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.399 it again and again until they find him. So we 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:28.080 go into some dramatic credits and we're back and holy shit, 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:29.199 they found the glove. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:30.520 They found the glove. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:32.280 Of course they found the glove. 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:37.200 It was in a sewer great and cool, all right, 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:38.080 take sewer. 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.080 Great, untouched by water or anything that would wash away evidence. 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.119 It's just wild. And when you think sewer great, do 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.359 you think the movie it or now and then or nothing? 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:49.840 Oh? 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:54.080 I definitely think of it. I feel like more. Yeah, no, 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:55.639 ande then's a blind spot for me. You know, I 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.680 know I've seen pieces, but I've never seen the whole thing. 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.800 There's a really dramatic sewer great moment. Oh oh and. 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.240 Get good stuck Oh okay, Well yeah they get stuck, 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:08.359 but then they get pulled out. Yeah, they get pulled 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.439 out by the neighborhood weirdo and then they learn compassion. 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.320 Right, yeah, like the like the next door neighbor in 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.680 home alone. He was just a nice man that needed 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.680 to talk to his daughter and not scary. 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.159 Yeah, or a Boo Radley. 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:24.280 Yeah. 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:25.320 Real classic. 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.000 So Finn, Careesi and Benson are at the corkboard talking. 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.800 Rollins walks in and apologizes for being late because coneed 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.880 was on her block and the transformer was out, there's 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.200 no hot water. She had a shower at the gym, 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.680 and Benson's like, girl, if you're gonna come up with 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.399 an excuse, please don't oversell it, and Rollins is like, 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:45.840 copy that. 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.560 But also, do you have to shower every day for work? 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:48.720 Like? 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:49.520 Who cares? 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:50.800 You're a cop? 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.360 Like like if my water was out, I'd be like, oh, 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.520 fuck yeah. I don't think I would make an extra 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:02.280 stop to go shower unless I already didn't shower yesterday. 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:03.760 Unless it's been a couple days. You know, you've been 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.080 playing the craps tables. We know this is a lie anyway, 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:09.000 but what do we know. 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:09.760 What it is? Though? 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.000 And I don't think they really give clues here like 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:13.640 for it. 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.520 But you're right, I think I think they're laying the 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.919 bread crumbs of the gambling problem right, I don't know 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:20.480 where we are. 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:21.359 I gotta look it up. 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.560 I really with Rollins, she causes so many problems it's 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:27.760 hard to keep track, you know what I mean. It's like, 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.879 which season of problems is this? So they filler in 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.520 and Rollin's asks about ViCAP. So Benson turns and asks like, Creasy, 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.119 did you do that? And he looks like a kid 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.639 who did not do his homework, And Rollins is like, 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:44.320 I mean, it's a comprehensive nationwide database. And Creasey's like, yeah, yeah, 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.080 I'm about to do it. So Rolin's just takes over 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.639 and starts typing in the details. So then when Finn 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.399 explains that there was humming, it stops Rollins before she 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.840 can even speak. Caresey's like, oh, he's musical, and that 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:57.919 really made me laugh for some reason. When he said that, 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.520 Rollins continues, you might think I'm crazy, but was a 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.679 gospel music and Finn is like, yep, she said it 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:07.359 was like a church him and Rollin says, well, in Atlanta, 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.480 we had a humming rapist that choked out his vix. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.280 What are the chances it wasn't her case, but it 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.400 was like around two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.919 and Benson goes, well, Atlanta's an easy call for you, 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.159 So why don't you do that, chrisy? You continue with 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.520 viscap and see if anyone's recently been paroled or release 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.240 and uh oh, Finn gets news on his phone that 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.800 a sixteen year old just told her counselor at school 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.119 that a guy choked her out. They head to Leonard 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.480 Bernstein's school and this girl got up to move her 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.560 mother's car to find a Tuesday space. 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.520 So New York, Yes, so New York. 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.000 I mean, I'm sure other cities have street parking, but 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:45.280 it's just alternate. 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.240 Side parking in New York is like the nightmare. 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:48.919 Why when people have a car you have to like 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.040 move every other day in case you don't know. 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.199 Yeah, I mean my block in la is frustrating just 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.760 because it's from four to six thirty am, like. 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.120 Which which is I've never heard of anything or anything. 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.680 I mean eight am is the earliest I've ever seen, 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.560 maybe seven, And Lisa's is like, yep, get up and 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.000 move your car at four o'clock in the morning. 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:10.320 It really makes no sense. 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.480 I only wonder if it's because you're in your school, 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:18.000 but who knows. Like I live on a grace, by 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.440 the grace of God, a no changing over street, and 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.040 it's very helpful because you know, Lisa leaves her car 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:25.360 with me for like months at a time. 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.879 Yeah, and I don't have to move it well, because 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.119 in West Hollywood you always said I was lucky because 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.360 my block didn't have any permits and that was like. 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.600 Oh, that's very rare in West Hollywood. 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:39.800 Yeah, but I didn't get that luck in Highland Park. 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:42.160 And I do have to move my car by four 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:45.200 in the morning because sometimes if it's like nine AM 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.000 and you get home late, you're like, man, whatever, I'll move, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.120 you know, I'll sit in a lawn. Yeah, but you're 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:53.200 not fucking playing games that early. So this girl got 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.960 up to move her you know, the car, and a 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.680 man grabbed her from behind. He held latex glove. He 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.760 did have latex gloves on. If you want to play 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.360 a drinking game this episode, I would say, every time 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.040 we say latex gloves are humming, you should have a 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:12.640 backed down. You will be blacked out. Yeah, turn off 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.920 your phone, block your ex's numbers, you will be blocked out. 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:20.120 But I I'm already annoying how many times I have 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.120 to say latex gloves. So you know, she tried to 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.160 fight him, but he was bigger than her. Benson confronts, 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.720 confronts her, comforts her. Of course, Benson does not confront her, 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.280 and Nina continues to talk that she can't describe him well, 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.760 but he was white and strong and he grabbed her 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.000 by the neck and she blacked out. And when she 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.480 came to, she was laying by the dumpster, so sad, 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.920 and he was standing there and said, well, go and 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.960 make sure to move your car so your mother doesn't 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.080 get a ticket. So Finn concludes he's been watching you 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.040 and for me, I'm like, why are you scaring her? 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.440 Extra She already has enough trauma she doesn't have to 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:58.640 add a stocking trauma to her like recovery. They're like, well, 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:03.480 maybe his face is familiar, like any anyway, and she's like, no, 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.960 I was face down, but he was humming. She says 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.920 it was at him, but she's not religious, so she 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.360 doesn't really know much about it. Back of the squadron, 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.520 Creasey's like, you want to guess how many rapists sing 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:18.440 hum or whistle? A lot? So Rollin's phone rings and 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.840 it's Atlanta. It's Captain Reynolds. We hear her go, no, 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:26.160 it's business. So someone asked if it was pleasure, so done? 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:27.040 D yeah. 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.120 While she talks on the phone, Creasy gets up to 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.160 greet Ice and Benson. Ice fills them in gloves, yes, humming, yes, 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.520 DNA no face no, So he targets them and knows 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.280 their routines. Rollin's hangs up the phone and reveals that 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.680 there are three open rape cases in Atlanta with the 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.280 same emo. They have rape kits, but they have not 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.360 been tested, and Benson's like, oh great, not this again. 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:49.720 Creasy folds his arm like a true ally. 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.880 He's pissed. Benson asks are they testing them now? And 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.080 of course, the answer is no, they're in storage. They think, 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.800 so these other cases are sixty years old, and Atlanta 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.240 doesn't give a fuck. Benson asks if Rollins can head 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.360 down to Atlanta and handle this, and she's like, oh, yeah, 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.040 it's such a boys club down there. I'll just bat 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:11.480 my eyelashes and act helpless careesy volunteers to go. Benson says, 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.680 how about Finn Rollin's whispers thank you to her? 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:15.320 Hello? 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:15.640 Wow? 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:16.880 Oh I. 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:22.240 I didn't realize how much how disgusted she was by him. 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.520 I think at the beginning though, they all think he's 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.040 really annoying, like they're setting it up like he's annoying, 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.120 he makes mistakes, he's like a real like uh, you know, 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.960 he has definitely a glow up personally in this series, 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.000 where like he becomes a person that everybody takes seriously. 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.320 But at the beginning, I feel like nobody did. So 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.080 they're like, I don't know if it was about the 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:45.680 romance stuff or if it was like, I'm not gonna 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.920 send you down to Atlanta with this fucking idiot, you know, 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:48.440 like I. 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.480 Can't tell, I can't tell, but she seems to. 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.560 Really, you're not gonna make you ride on a riding 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.480 coach in a middle seat with this fucking dumb dumb. 0:31:56.440 --> 0:32:00.000 So right at this little meeting time, Trevor Langan walked 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.480 and he's ready to chat with Benson. They enter the 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.240 office and it does seem serious. Finn looks at Rollins 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:07.760 and goes, you know, it might be a good time 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.880 to get away. Things are things are going wild up 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.440 in here. So there's a lot going on. You know, 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.040 you have no hot water, and she goes what and 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.400 then goes, oh, so she's caught in a lie. I 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.520 wish I didn't realize up top and then reassures to 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.640 Finn she's fine, but he does not believe her. Rollins 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:30.200 is hiding something. Wow, Finn is a good detective. Back 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.760 in Benson's office, they want a hearing for fucking Noah 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:37.080 and his health issues. They found rib fractures and she goes, 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:41.000 excuse me, they my doctor found them and they started 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:44.160 in infancy knock knack. Careese interrupts as to put in 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:49.720 for overtime, and it's like, honey, it's her adopted baby's like, lawyer, 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.480 can you give him a second? Like you can't wait 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.920 two minutes to get into overtime? Like it's just annoying. 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.440 She's like yeah, sure. So Benson's like, you know, he 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.960 was shipped around from foster him to foster home for money, 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.760 and now there's a hearing. He says, don't take it personal, 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.000 but that seems really hard to do, and he's like, 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.520 I know you reported the abuse, but they have to 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:12.280 follow up. And she's shocked by all this, and Trevor 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.360 is like, well, I'm Noah's legal rep, so for his sake, 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.080 I just need to make sure you're as prepared as 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.160 possible for this hearing done done, We're in Atlanta and 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:24.600 the evidence storage area it's giant. They're walking in and 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.240 Finn is like, okay, so three matching ms and you 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.480 guys didn't test the kids, Like what the fuck? 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.480 And Amanda tries to shut him up. 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.160 And then the Atlanta cop that's there is an SVU 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.600 alum hardcore okay. So he played the racist dad and 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.840 raw that had his child murdered for insurance money. 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:42.560 We cover them. 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.640 He was also in Justice, which we also covered where 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.600 he was in ex con who wrote letters and wanted 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:47.840 to have. 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.000 Sex with the judge's daughter. 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:53.760 Mm hmmm. He's in eight episodes starting from season one, 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.080 So he's like a true og. Like people talk about 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.480 the Michael O'Keefe rule, but I think it's the this 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:03.320 guy rule. His name is Mike with a myk, so 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:07.400 like yeah, but he's so season one, two, three, seven, thirteen, 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.239 and sixteen, and he's in four episodes as this guy 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:14.120 Captain Sam Reynolds, and he's like, you know, the rape 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.399 gets are twelve hundred of tests, so we can't really 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.960 afford to test for every single rape claim. And a 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.319 man does like claim and he lets us know these 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:27.759 women were not virgins so they asked for it. He 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.319 it's like, no one's a version, okay, So then he 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:34.040 doesn't believe them. He doesn't believe them even though they 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.000 also virginity is a made up concept, okay. 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.799 So yes, but also do the police take an oath 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:40.280 that they will only defend virgins? 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:41.799 Like is that part of it? Like what? 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:48.520 This episode has so many layers and we'll get to 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:49.040 all of them. 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.280 But I really really love it. That's why it's wild. 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.600 I kept not being I kept being on the edge 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.520 of my seat even though I watched it twice every 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.879 nith So he doesn't believe the women even though they 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:05.040 all had consistent stories, so like, what the fuck? And 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.359 you know, Rollins is like, well, maybe if you tested them, 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.160 something might have popped, and he doesn't like Amanda's New 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.840 New York attitude. So they get dropped off in this huge, 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.920 giant warehouse. We've seen this a million times in SVU, 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.840 just boxes and boxes. So tall Finn tells Amanda, I 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.080 can see why you left. But they split up to 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.520 quick end the search so they could leave Georgia as 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:30.520 fast as they fucking could. They're searching it for a while, 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:34.520 they're breathing deeply, and then a man joins Amanda and 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.160 it's our dear friend, Harry Hamlin. We've not met him, 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.160 but we feel connected joined to Harry Hamlin. 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:41.840 A dear personal friend. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:42.520 Uh. 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.160 Fun fact, he was supposed to be on Watch What 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.399 Happens Live with Us and our plan was to try 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.480 to get him to be on our podcast in person, 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.400 but the schedule switched and we ended up not on 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:53.799 with him. 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.520 But I still think we can try to get him. 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.040 Yeah, he's uh he plays this creep in another episode 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.760 and so oh that'll be perfect. But also with Harry Hamlin, 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.000 obviously we say his first and last name always like 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:07.840 her his wife Lisa Rena. 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.080 And then I always think about Jackie Cox's Snatch game. 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.080 Oh, she played Renna. Yeah, she's well known for Renna 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:15.640 and she was very good. 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.760 And you know, if it wasn't for Gigi Goods Little Robot, 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:20.359 I think Jackie Cox would have won. 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.720 Yes, that would have been a Jackie Cox. Listen. 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.000 Harry Hamlin is kind of an amazing person because he 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.480 straddles like the full trash world of reality TV as 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.520 well as like he is a prestige actor like he 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.520 was on mad Men, he was on La Law back 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:33.919 in the day. 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.160 Like I think he's a very respected actor. 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.279 But he's also married to a real Housewives of Beverly Hills. 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.239 X now ex wife of Beverly Hills. But and he 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.200 he is known as a heart throb. 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:48.640 He loves camping and he makes pasta sauces, he bakes pies. 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.319 He's a real domestic and you better say thank you 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:52.880 for that sauce, you bitch. 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.360 Well, So he was on Watch What Happens Live and 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.040 they played a game like can you defend your wife? 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.960 And so they like brought like they kept bringing up 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.719 things Lisa Renna has done, and he defended her hardcore, 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.319 like he really has his girl's back. 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.959 But then one thing, Andy was like did you even 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:10.360 see this? 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.480 He goes no, but I'm sure she was vindicated, Like 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.120 he really has his wife's back. Yeah. 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.560 So and he seems like a good dad. I'm almost 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.320 a little bit it's not like you can do anything. 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.239 His daughters are grown women. But I'm like a little 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.879 bit surprised that, like his daughters have had so much 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.360 work done. They're so beautiful already, and they're like having 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.879 all this work. It just feels like they all got 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.560 the Lisa Renna part. None of them got the like 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.800 crunchy camping Harry Hamlin's side. 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.040 Yeah, but like for him, how it's like with tattoos, 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.000 Like how do you stop someone from doing something you do? 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.600 Like Lisa Rena had fake lips before it was like 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.240 certified medically. 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.760 She has like the imblant that like isn't FDA approved anymore. 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.160 Yeah, So to me, it's like, yeah, their daughters are 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:59.359 gonna get buckle fat buckle fat removed. I say that 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.200 I have no idea, but also, wuckle fat buckle fat, 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.600 how does no one have scars? Like how does the 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.160 surgery work? Like don't your cheeks need fat. Like, I 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.640 just don't get how people were convinced that their cheeks 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:11.440 are bad. 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.040 I don't even know what buckle fat removal is. Is 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.840 it to give you a more chisel jaw? What is 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.640 it the indent in the cheek? 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.680 Yeah, jaw? Or like what's what's that? 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:21.520 Is that a jaw? 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:22.839 Or is that a cheek in deck? 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:22.960 Like? 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.120 What is that called? Oh? 0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.000 To have your cheeks like sucked in? You guys can't 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.120 see us right now? Oh, you should release this as 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.080 a video because it's really funny. Li's and I are 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:36.680 just pushing in various Oh but it's pronounced buckle fat. 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.680 But even if I try to fake do a buckle, 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.720 my cheeks are so puffy it doesn't even fake buckle. 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:44.800 It would look weird. 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.000 You know, you do a good job just with your 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.440 cheek tint that makes your gives you definition on your 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.520 face of your cheek stuff. That's why I always want 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.960 to get it, because it gives you a little like 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:56.960 I don't know, indent. 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.239 Yeah, but it's just a Nars tints and moist I 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.160 mean yeah, no, no, no, the orgasm, it's just an 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:04.040 orgasm stick. 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.439 It's not even like a full I know, I keep 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.279 needing to get it. It's I already got. 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.800 The lot of people have asked us about Laura Mercier 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:11.879 tinted moisturizer. 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.279 I already got that, but I need the well No, 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.080 I use the North Sinton moisturizer. But Laura Mercier is 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.200 very popular and people love it a lot, and that's 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:24.000 that's what I got. Like the makeup woman A Shanta 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.520 on Michelle's show is like, Laura Mercieres is better, and 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.560 I'm like, why would I? This works for me? Yeah, 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:33.320 I get complimented all the time. So yeah, I'm gonna 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:33.920 stick to it. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.879 Anyway, stay tuned for our buckle fat journey. I'm sure 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:38.319 it's not happening for either of us. 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.560 Yeah, it's it's upsetting because also, like there were scenes 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.759 during the Housewives where like his daughters refuse to eat, 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.160 you know, the Scott dissick. I just think it might 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:53.440 be tough to raise your children in Beverly Hills. 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.839 Yes, even though none of them live in Beverly Hills. 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.840 But yes, their house is cute though, because they have 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:03.280 a breakfast book and I do really always love that. Yeah. 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.400 Anyways, So in Harry Hamlin's hands. 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.680 He has files, and he goes and he has exactly 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:11.640 what they're looking for, and so they like let them 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.960 search as a fuck you. His name is Chief pat 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:16.840 and she asks if those are her rape kits and 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.719 he says, well, technically they're my rape kits, but I 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.839 heard you need a favor in. Rollins, with messy hair 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.399 like she's been there for hours, is like yep, so 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.680 that's why you pulled them before I got here, and 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.319 he's like, yeah, I thought you'd come say hi, you know, 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.799 and to my office, and she smiles uncomfortably and he 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.719 calls her darling and she's like, actually, dude, what would 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.440 actually be helpful is if you tested all these untested 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.719 rape kits, and he's like, you could always start a 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.120 fight in an empty house, which I like is a saying. 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:46.840 Finn pops up right on time behind them and asks 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:47.919 if everything is all right. 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.000 Rollins intros them to each other. 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.160 He says he's gonna get a rush on the test 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.400 for them, but when they ask for a case file, 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.200 he goes, there are no case files. 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.800 It's just preliminary reports. 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.640 None of these were pursuable at the time, but he's 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.720 happy to hand them over since if he can clear 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.600 three rapes on NYPD's dime. 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:05.400 He loves that. 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:09.000 Harry Hamlin leaves while saying tousuola like a white person, 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.319 very very wrong. You know, I'm like the woman at 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:17.200 the Hollywood Star ceremony. He couldn Finn Is like, eeke, 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.040 So you made a lot of friends down here, and 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.520 she responds that they're just making sure I know my place. 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.640 So they head out to find the victims in Atlanta. 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.239 The first one died last year, the second one moved 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.920 to Alaska. So now we're walking up to the residence 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.800 of Ashley Miller, the third vic. Amanda hangs up the 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.040 phone after talking to Benson while they're walking up, and 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:38.880 it was careesy and who has three more rapes in 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.960 Vegas that match the mo So that could be our 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:42.600 guy as well. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:44.160 Ashley answers the door. 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.440 She's confused why the NYPD are there because she has 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.680 never been to New York. They mentioned it's the two 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.319 thousand and eight crime, and then what do we have? 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.719 Of course, an aggressive man in the back asking WhatsApp 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.120 you know, like, what the fuck's going on? She lies 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.200 sim and says it's Jehovah's witnesses. She doesn't want her 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.080 husband to know. They explain the situation to her, go 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.879 over the details, and once they mentioned the humming, she goes, 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.319 oh god, I will never get that hymn out of 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:07.719 my head. 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:08.839 She knows the song. 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.919 So the song is leaning, Leaning safe and secure from 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:13.799 all alarms. 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.800 I've never heard that song. But I'm not a churchgoer. 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:19.879 But and she said she can't even go to church 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.040 anymore because of the attack. She's confused. She told the 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.719 cops everything in Rollins was like, yeah, I know, but 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.120 we're gonna do right by you and we're gonna fix this. 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:29.839 So they ask her to go over the file just 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.759 to make sure everything's okay, and she said, actually one 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.000 thing is left off of the file. His pager went off. 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.279 He told her other people needed him. And then when 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.560 she told the detectives in Atlanta about the beeper, they 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.719 asked if she dated drug dealers, and Finn responds in 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:52.719 what the captions said, hmph, humph, hm arumph, parump. But 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.520 he makes like a noise that I like. Okay, So 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.120 we get the pager news. He likes to pass people out, 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:02.080 so is it a doctor. We'll see. Rollins gets a 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:06.960 call and just says, better late than never, and they're 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.000 running it through CODIS, so that means they put it 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.640 in before. So basically they already ran the DNA from 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.880 the rape kits, but just to fuck with them, waited 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.880 until like they flew at like they're just fucking with 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:23.920 Rollins and they've already tested everything. So now we know 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.040 it's like at least the same guy. So we're back 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.839 in New York in front of the corkboard and Finn 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.120 and Rolinds are presenting a group project and they're calling 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.440 it Pattern seventeen. 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.680 But I don't remember, why do you No? 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:38.760 I don't know why they're calling him the Pattern seventeen rapist. 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:42.120 I think it's because Pattern seventeen has sixteen letters and 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.960 it's an episode and at season sixteen, like it could. 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:47.240 Have easily been Patterned twelve. 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:47.719 I don't know. 0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:51.080 Maybe that's how many victims I don't know. I don't 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.839 know are like linked, but I don't know. 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.400 So all we know from like, so we don't have 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.800 extra details about the guy. All we know from the 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.160 DNA so far is that he is white and he 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.400 did do all three rapes in Atlanta. So now we 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.960 have to match, like figure out Vegas, Milwaukee, and New 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:11.640 York City. The Milwaukee is a backlog that's like so long, 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.120 and Vegas doesn't know if they tested the kids or not. 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.400 He goes on spreeze and it seems like he's in 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.160 the middle of one right now, so they really have 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.520 to do something. And now Dodds is fucking here. Daddy 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.279 Dodds is here with his big ass eyebrows, being a dick. 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.560 Legit sarcastically goes, well that trip was cost effective, and 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.319 it's like it was, Yeah, they got the DNA, they 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.759 got the hymn, they got the pager, and they made 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:39.000 a victim feel heard in scene like that seems like 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:44.520 worth four hundred dollars in plane tickets. Benson says, we 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.759 got it, cheaf, it's just legwork, and he says, well, 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.120 put some shine on it for tomorrow. She's like what, 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.720 And it's the calm stat briefing on the pattern seventeen 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.120 rapists and she's gonna be in the hot seat. Finn 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.719 walks over to her and says, see, that's why I 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:03.200 never took the sergeant's exam. So now we see Hank Abraham. 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.160 He's unpleasant. We find out in future episodes he is 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.240 a pedophile, but for now he's just a dickhead played 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.160 by Josh Pais the you know, dickhead to the stars. 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.719 And so he's holding a copy of the New York 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:23.040 Ledger and the newspapers calling the NYPD clueless. 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.000 And so that's what I'm confused about. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:29.080 Like they're mad that they're spending money on the investigation, 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:31.759 but then they're also mad that it's not solved. So 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.600 which one is it? Should we be investigating or salt? Like, 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.239 I just hate it? So he asks any thoughts on 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.359 the headline, and she goes, oh, yeah, I don't work 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.880 for the media, you fucking piece of shit. But anyways, 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.160 this is this panel, it's okay. So there's hundreds of 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.400 men in uniform. I don't think there's one other woman here. 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:50.680 And I feel like that was on purpose. That was 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.640 truly on purpose. I think it was to show how 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.160 hard it is to have rape or like women's issues 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.920 be taken seriously when it's all of these fucking audience 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.799 of men. It's a semi circle of judgment of men. 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.640 Everyone's in uniforms, including Benson, who has a swoop bang 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.920 with her hair pulled back and she's at a panel 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.960 and she reassures them we're on it. Okay, we're on it, 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.719 and she starts going into details of the case, and 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.120 another man just yells and do you have anything to 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.920 show for the work, And she's like it's a process. 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.279 Like do none of these people ever do police work. 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.920 I just hate these scenes more than everything, Like, and 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.000 I know we're supposed to get angry at them, but 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:32.440 it just doesn't even make sense. 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.920 Yeah, like does she not have a track record of trusts? 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:37.840 I know? 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.919 Does she not have money in the bank? I don't 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:41.719 understand it. 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.480 But also I think it's also a lot of times, 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.920 like they talk about how SVU is different because like 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:51.040 there are living victims and it's like more complicated, whereas 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.040 like all these other guys that like some of the 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.120 guys on this panel might have just been like draw 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.800 like vice cops, like they just chase down drug dealers forever. 0:46:57.920 --> 0:46:59.759 Like I don't understand, get your informant to tell you 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.560 who the drug dealer is, like be done with it. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.480 Like it's just different, Like it involves a lot more 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:09.840 like sexual assault crimes, just a lot more like footwork, finessing. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.279 You know, I don't know, no, because it feels like 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.600 the vice cops are always like, this was a four 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:19.000 year investigation. They're like always pissed. 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.960 And it's like, are you getting brought in front of 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.920 CompStat for being embedded in a drug ring for four 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.759 years and you have nothing yet? Like where are we? 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:32.680 Where are we on your drug ring? Kowalski or whatever? 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.520 And then they say, well, Atlanta PD is who solved 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:39.719 the crime for you, and it's like, bitch, are you 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:43.759 We'd ask them to test the kids eyebrow DODS is 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.080 like okay, and what about the other cities? So she 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.000 starts to explain about the backlog and before he straight 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.000 up interrupts and asks, well, what about the gaps in 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:51.759 the timeline? 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:53.480 She goes, well, maybe incarceration. 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.120 Then a man who looks like he's one of the 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:59.400 original guys on the board game Guess Who says, well, 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.840 match the d and she's like, well, all other cops 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.719 suck like you guys suck. So DNA collection is not 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:08.200 always taken in crimes. And she again starts to talk 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.440 about the backlog and unprocessed rape kits and Hank goes, oh, 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.520 so it's everyone else's fault, but yours. She's like that's 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.879 not what I'm saying. It's our problem now and we 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.799 will get him. And Dods then says he has to 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.520 end this early after being whispered to, and then Hank 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.080 Abraham's like, well, hold up, well what do I tell 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:31.080 the press and the Brows says I don't care, but 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.520 don't tell them that we're establishing a new crime scene. 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.240 So uh, pattern and seventeen rapists might have struck again. 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:41.759 And then Abraham looks at Benson like she committed the rape, right, 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:43.960 And then Benson. 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.480 Like, if you weren't standing here at this stupid comstat meeting, 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.520 why aren't you out there trying to find this rapist? 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.239 It's like you made me be here, like and then yeah, 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:56.000 Benson just looks sad, defeated, gas lit like just. 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:57.040 Like oh my god. 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.360 Yeah. So she leaves and we meet back up on 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.040 the scene of the crime and presses everywhere. Benson asks 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.840 for the scoop Creese and Finn and you know, everyone's 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:07.920 in luxurious outerwear, but. 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:09.479 This situation not good. 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.680 She's twelve, that seems a little young, no, And Creasy's like, listen, 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.840 Ryan Catalano, Ryan with two ends. Just if you're wondering 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.200 was out walking her puppy at six am, which is 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:25.120 so early you're twelve. Go to bed Manu so a 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.360 man with gloves humming, choking all of it, but he 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.960 didn't finish the rate because the dog did what dogs do, 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.640 spooked him. So Finn explains that in which I enjoyed. 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:36.160 Rollins is up there at the hospital waiting for the 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.680 team and she's out, and so she explains, Ryan is 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.680 out of the exam. Her mom is there, and the 0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:43.400 dad is approaching me like, oh, so you're the sergeant 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:48.640 everyone's waiting for. Can she catch a break? No right now. 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.600 By the way, Also, Noah has health problems. 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.960 I mean it's like whenever it rains on Benson, it 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:55.120 fully dumps. 0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:58.879 She's like, uh, yes, but I'm gonna go to talk 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:00.880 to your daughter, and you go with these guys and 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.480 they'll take your statement. He said. He tells the guys 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.560 that he always tells her, like wait for me to 0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:07.440 walk the dog, but the puppy sleeps with her and 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.960 they just sometimes go to walk together. And they cut 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.960 him off, like so she walked the dog by herself, 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:14.279 and he goes, yeah, I heard the dog barking, and 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.800 that's when I ran out, but you know, helly m Max, 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.520 you know, bit him good and took off, So there's. 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.080 A bite, so that's kind of exciting. 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.440 And then a girl who looks so young, like she 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.640 doesn't even look twelve, and I think this is very 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:31.680 deliberate casting as well. So she has marks on her face. 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:34.879 Her mother's in a cream sweater turtleneck listening closely behind her. 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.799 Can I say one thing? Yeah, this mother, this mother 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:40.600 is my friend from college. Wow, this mother is my 0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:45.160 friend Julia Kelly from college. And so the girl is soaky. 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:49.440 She said, what you're just like? So the band. 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:52.760 Do you want to tell me more about this woman? 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.680 Do you want to tell me how you came? She's 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:57.320 she's my friend from college. 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:01.040 Great, and I had nothing to add to Then she 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.960 says Max saved me, which is like so cute. 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.480 And they mentioned the gloves and the humming. Again I 0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.200 can I just I can't. 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:13.440 And so they start talking about the car and he 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:15.759 did try to shove her in there, so she put 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.359 her headphones in the car so she could prove that 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:20.840 she was there. So this is a little badass. And 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:23.520 she also knew it was blue and a white license plate. 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:28.080 It's gonna end up being Connecticut, and she keeps trying 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.719 to apologize and they're like, babe, you did great. Do 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:33.239 you remember any part of the license plate. So it 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:39.560 was a black sedan with partials gq JS, And so 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.279 we're gonna start looking for this car. CSU has the 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:44.600 dog now and they're gonna try to get DNA. So 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:48.200 Crasy's on his computer and finds a car that's black 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.400 that fits all of this. That's like in the cameras whatever. 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:56.960 This car belongs to Joseph Conklin. It's a Lincoln twenty 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.440 fourteen MKZ for all you car heads out there. He 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.880 doesn't live, he's not near any of the rapes, but 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.080 he is a doctor. And it's really all hands on deck. 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.480 It's like an amazing dance. It's one shot. It seems 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:12.560 like it was one big, long shot, very cool direction. So, like, 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:14.880 you know, what's the connection to the other states? Has 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.040 he been anywhere? Like, what's going on with this guy? 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:20.440 What we find is an open file on the DEA. 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.200 So the DA has an open file on him, you know, 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.680 the Drug Enforcement Administration. They've been looking at him for 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.080 pushing pills for months and that could be enough to 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.160 get a warrant, so let's fucking go. So we go 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.640 to the staff parking garage at the hospital. They go 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.319 into the backseat there, Caresi's digging in there and then 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:39.960 a man in scrubs runs out. 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:41.440 Finn and Rollins take out their guns. 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.280 They're ready then there and he's like, don't shoot, don't shoot, 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.879 which reminds me, did you ever watch that s Leicester 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.279 Sloane movie Stop or my mom will Shoot? Yeah? 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.200 I think I saw it a long time ago with 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:53.040 a stell Getty. 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.879 I remember liking it as a kid, but I think 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.000 he sees it as one of the most embarrassing moments 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:02.839 of his career. So I wonder if we should watch it. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.520 I want to relive it. But I do remember watching 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.640 it very vividly. So they're like, it seems like you 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:12.480 have a lot of oxy in the car, and he's like, well, 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.400 I've an office out of my house that does not 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:20.080 seem legit, and then cares and then Caresy has pink 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.480 headphones in his hand and. 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:23.480 He's like like this. 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.480 So the doctor goes, I don't know whose headphones they are, 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:28.080 but headphones aren't illegal. 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.600 They arrest him, so Joseph Conklin. 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.840 You're done rape, okay, baby, Then he says those women 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.520 agreed to do what they did. They just wanted the pills, 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:40.280 so he did not use his right to remain silent. 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.319 I thought that was funny, okay, but I thought you 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.240 were gonna laugh. I took a pause. Okay, So Benson 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:52.640 and dous for laughter did not happen. That always sucks 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.040 on stage two, where you're like, oh, I'm truly pausing, 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:59.800 but I guess I'll keep chugging away. Benson and Dodds 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.800 and he's like, yay, you know, we got him. She's like, 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.400 we're holding him on a drug charge, but you know, 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:07.759 we got to get the DNA together. But let's do 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.120 a lineup right now. So the woman from the beginning 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:13.160 of the episodes first in the lineup, she can't recognize them. 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:16.279 The second victim also does not recognize him, and the 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.319 little child does not see him as well. And in 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.200 the back of the lineup we see friend of the 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.920 pod Michael Kostrouf. He's watching, He's watching, but this really sucks. 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:27.960 And the eyebrows guy is gonna be a fucking dick. 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.320 I know it that the lineup didn't work, so now Finn, Benson, 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:33.799 Rollins and brows are there and Benson stops the walk 0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.400 and talk and is like, the headphones were in the 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.400 backseat of the car and CSU found her prints in 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.040 the back seat. Browse is like, well, how long till 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.480 the DNA? Rollins goes, just give us a second. We 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.160 just got the DNA. He goes, you know what, fucking 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:47.879 lie tell him it's a match. I don't give a shit. 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:50.560 So we're an interrogation and he legit is like there 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.960 is no way this has to be a mistake. He's 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.440 never even been to Atlanta or Milwaukee. And they're like, 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:56.920 can you prove it? And he's like, how do I 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.440 prove to you? I was never in a city. I 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:00.960 was never in Like what do you want from me? 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:05.000 And this reminds me of like the the memes and stuff, 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.040 where like, you know, a package doesn't arrive and Amazon's like, 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:10.160 we'll prove it. And then it's like you just take 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.920 a photo of an empty door, you know, like yeah, 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:17.400 an empty porch. The other one I like online, like 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:19.920 someone texted their landlord being like the hot water does 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:21.720 it work? And they're like, can you send a photo? 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:24.319 They just send a photo of running water and goes 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:27.000 this but it's not hot, Like, what do you want? 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.240 The Internet is really a gift that keeps on giving 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:36.359 that will ruin all of us. Okay, so you know, 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.920 the doctor's like, I don't know any of these girls increase. 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.600 He's like, okay, well when you when we found you, 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:46.680 you immediately said that you know they wanted it, and 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:48.960 he's and he's like, well that's something else. So now 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:52.240 there's lawyer whispers and they ask like, if he admits 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.719 to a crime that has no bearing on this, can 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.719 we get immunity and the detectives don't actually agree, but 0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:02.040 he starts talking anyways, he says that women in writing. 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:03.640 He's just like, okay, here's the deal. 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:07.120 It's so crazy, and they don't promise that it's not 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.960 even in ready. All Finn says is yeah, I'll talk 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.680 to the DA like that he could be talking to 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:13.680 him about the weather, like. 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.880 There was no detail. Maybe we'll see. 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.279 So he says women line up to have sex with 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:21.960 him for handfuls of oxy coda, five pills a blow 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:25.000 and a dozen for full service. Creasey's like, so you're 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:28.640 admitting to solicitation and pill pushing and he's like, no, 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:31.520 they're legal prescriptions. These women are in pain, and they're 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.880 like yeah, but if they have to perform sex sex 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.160 to get them and the lawyer goes, Okay, we've said enough, 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.040 and it's like, you shouldn't have said anything. 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.520 He just said it all. Benson's on the phone. 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:44.719 She needs to go to the Noah hearing tomorrow, and 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:46.120 you know that's gonna be really hard for it. 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.320 She wants to change it, but she can't. 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.240 She has to be there tomorrow at like eight thirty 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.520 in the morning or something, or that's later. Honestly, there's 0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:56.400 so no that's so different here. There's like eight Noah hearings. 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.239 In this episode, Robins knocks to talk to Benson and 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.719 Benson's like, not right now, and Rollins seems stunned. But 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.520 it's also like, she's on the phone, you know, use 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.840 your eyes and ears. Are you not a detective? Benson 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:09.239 is so much on her plate, but the courts know her, 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:11.600 so I don't get why everyone is so awful to her, 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.560 Like she's at the courts all the time, helping people. 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:17.480 I just it really bothers me the way she's being treated. 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.680 So all right, So Benson's off the phone. What do 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:24.200 you got Rollin's. She goes, it's not him. The DNA 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:27.360 is back. She did. The DNA is not back, but 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:29.680 she did it old school. She checked the blood types 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:33.760 and the blood types. Don't you know mix? She we 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:37.120 needed someone with a B blood. But it is still 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:40.960 his car, So we're getting closer. Caresy walks out and says, listen, 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.440 our dude is meticulous and methodical. This guy's a mess. 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.560 So they're like, yeah, we know it's not him. Maybe 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:51.120 he loaned the car, maybe he's covering for someone, Like 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.920 what is happening. Benson's like, yeah, go grill him and 0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:55.920 see who had access to his car. And let's go 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:59.320 look at the garage video footage who was driving that car. 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.000 So we're at a and Creasey's talking to the valet 0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:04.720 guy who says, I told you nobody drives these cars. 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.440 And he's like, yeah, we believe you, but someone did it, 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:11.800 so let's let's talk. Creasey's like, okay, so you always 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:13.720 park the doctor's car right here? He goes, yes, he 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.400 tips extra so his car's always right up front. The 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.280 law is not open to the public. Doctors, vendors, and 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:23.320 admin that's it. What about nurses, anybody that treats patients? 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.960 And the valet guy goes, EMTs, they park their ambulances 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:30.000 here sometimes, and I feel like we're getting close. So 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:33.080 the ambulance keys are here just in case, because you know, 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.280 if there's car blockage or anything, we can move it. 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.800 And so the EMTs do have access to the key 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:40.560 area when nobody is in the booth. 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.160 The valet guy goes, no, they're the good guys. 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:49.240 Another amazing point moment in SVU in this episode, like 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:54.960 the good guy's rape. Why is that confusing to anybody? 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:58.840 So and he goes, yeah, they wouldn't take anything. 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:01.200 So Finn goes, but you all these guys in right, 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.360 and he goes, let's see the book. So now we're 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.880 at family court, Benson, Lucy and nowhere are sitting. And 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.440 now hear me out. I have a theory. What if 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:15.920 Benson and Lucy are secret lesbian lovers. Maybe don't you 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:20.040 think that explains her availability and interest in helping and 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:20.919 why she's at court? 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:23.480 Like why is Lucy at court? I don't know, that's 0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:26.600 a great question. Benson's paying her I don't know, I 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:29.880 don't know. That's weird. That's I mean, I'm sure there's 0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:31.520 I wonder if there's fanfic about that. 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.720 I'm just curious. Let me know what you guys think. 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.240 Bence Bencey fanfiction, Benson Lucy fanfiction. 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.680 It's just like they're at court together. I just in 0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:45.840 that moment it clicked and I'm like, they're dating. They're dating. 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.720 I mean, she's around a lot for someone who's just 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:54.480 a girlfriend for the baby. Yeah, if you left your 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:57.560 baby with your girlfriend that much, I'd be like, what 0:59:57.720 --> 0:59:58.640 is this relationship? 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:03.360 Am I your nanny or your girlfriend? You're right, you're right. 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.400 So whatever, we've had so the woman on the stand 1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:10.720 at this court here, and we've seen this bitch before. Okay, 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:13.840 she's been in five episodes. Her name is Chantel Jackson, 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.880 and she has it in for Benson. She's been in 1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:20.280 two episodes. We've already covered Holden's manifesto and downloaded child. 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.720 And they're always having issues because Benson didn't get to 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:25.000 the hospital fast. 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:27.000 Enough yeah, or like didn't pick up her phone on 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:28.800 the first ring or something insane. 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:32.600 So you know, the judge is there and then this 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:34.920 bitch in the pink blazer is like, you know, she 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:38.600 claimed a work emergency and lived to Lucy is like claimed, 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:40.560 and Lucy's like relax, okay. 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:42.160 So the lady just. 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:44.520 Feels that like Benson should have been there since Noah 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.160 was in crisis. And the judges of Queen Jush Ruth 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:50.400 Linden is presiding and she's the one that brought up 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:53.600 that Benson should take Noah. So Trevor gets up to 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:56.120 ask some questions and she and he's like, so you've 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.760 been managing this case for a long time, right, have 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.400 you seen any shady house visits anything? She goes no, 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:04.960 And He's like, I Noah's taken care of better than 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:07.160 he was in any of the other homes. Correct, And 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:11.240 she's like, I don't look backwards, just forward. And Trevor's like, okay, well, 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:14.360 I'll handle this for you. The child's doctor discovered broken 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:18.800 ribs healed from early infant abuse. Your agency didn't notice 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:21.400 the abuse, but Benson and her doctor did. And she 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.480 just keeps saying how Benson should have been there and 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:25.680 shaming her for being a single working mother and live 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.320 just not like is piss So she stomps into work late. 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:31.320 But I love Trevor in this moment where it's like 1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:34.160 suddenly you're so concerned with Noah. He had full broken 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:38.080 ribs in your care and you didn't notice, right, So 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:41.360 she stops in a work late. Rollins is like, no worries, cutie, 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:44.400 and brows is like, we started without you. Was he 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:47.360 ever a cop or is he just a full politician? No, 1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:51.480 he's a cop, he is. Yeah, There's just no fucking 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.800 way any of these dudes are better cops than Benson, 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.280 None of them. So what suspects do we have? So 1:01:57.320 --> 1:01:59.720 we have a suspects. Albert Beck he's an EMT and 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:03.480 some people would call him a hero, but not us. Okay, So, 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.160 but after finishing his graveyard shift, he dropped off the 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:09.120 ambulance an hour before the Ryan assaults and caught on 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:12.040 video him driving the car out of the lot. God's 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:14.560 is like, why isn't he in custody, and Rowlins quickly 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:16.959 is like, it's his day off. Coreesian Finn are heading 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:19.320 to his hold in Queens right now. We are better 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:22.640 at this job than you, like, leave us alone, browse. 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:26.680 Benson asks if we can place him in the other cities, 1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:29.200 and we can, and all matches up. 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.680 He was an EMT in all the other cities. 1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:34.160 Benson finds it strange that for four years he had 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:37.520 no incident though, and then started raping, and Browse is like, well, 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:39.960 you can find it out when he's here, because we 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:41.920 all want to know this. And all the men are 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:47.160 waiting to meet you tomorrow morning for another meeting. So 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:50.720 she smiles a pissed smile, like, give me a break, 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.520 you losers. So now we're at the home of Lauren 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:56.280 and beth Burns and Queen's and she's of peace of work, 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:59.720 as they say, she's smoking, and she hates this bastard. 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:03.800 So she says that she threw his ass out a 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:07.000 month ago, and Crisy's like, well, what made you do that? 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:09.480 And right as he asked, like a like a slutty 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:12.960 teen walks in like a bad teen, and the teen 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:14.680 is like, mom, what did you do? 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:16.280 And she's like nothing. 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:18.360 They came on their own, and she's like, you know, 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:20.920 they're asking about Albert big shocker, and the teen right 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:23.640 away goes, he didn't do anything wrong, and Crisey's like, 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:27.400 nobody said he did, but clearly something's going on here. 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:29.760 The teen says to the mom, it's your fault. He 1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:33.040 moved out. He hates you. And I hate you too. 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:37.560 The mom's feelings are hurt. Finn's like, what's up, what's 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:40.280 going on here? And the mom's like, well, she's younger 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.840 and dumber. I guess he traded up or down. She's 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:46.920 fifteen lights another cigarette. So now we're at the precinct 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.320 and passed the window creasy. Finn and Benson talk and 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.120 they make the connection that the attacks started after she 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:56.240 booted him, and they were actually together in Milwaukee, and 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:58.640 the dates of them starting to date coincide with the 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:03.120 attacks in Milwaukee stop. So it's only when he doesn't 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:05.439 have a romantic partner in the home that he does 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:06.080 these attacks. 1:04:06.160 --> 1:04:07.800 I guess weird. 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:11.520 Well, Actually, the Green River killer who killed like over 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:15.200 one hundred sex workers in I think Washington State, they 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:18.480 said his moments of pausing were when he was married 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:22.040 and his wife actually is the reason saved a lot 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:24.120 of lives. They said, like him being married to his 1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:27.040 wife saved a lot of lives because whenever he was 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:28.320 with his wife, he wasn't killing. 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:28.840 Yeah. 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.440 What confuses me about this is we always say, like 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:35.720 sex crimes are about power, not sex, So are they 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.960 like do they exert power in their homes or like 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:41.840 what is you know that means it's it's more about sex. 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:45.000 No, well, no, I think, yeah, I agree with you, 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:47.360 But I think that like for some of them, it's 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:51.120 like this like proclivity. It's like a thing that they 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:54.280 they can if they like focus on it, they cannot 1:04:54.360 --> 1:04:56.040 do it, like I don't want to. I don't even 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:56.919 know what I'm trying to say. 1:04:57.520 --> 1:05:02.960 I yeah, or maybe like they have like they feel 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:06.920 powerful when they have consistent a partner or taking care, 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:09.040 and then they feel powerless when they're dumped. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.040 I don't know, yeah, or I mean in some cases 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:17.200 they're probably taking out, yeah, some of the power scenarios 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:18.080 on their partner. 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:20.800 But like with the Green River killer, I feel like he. 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:24.520 Had this like like you know, horrible proclivity that he 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:27.320 just wanted to murder, and then when he was like 1:05:27.400 --> 1:05:29.800 playing the role of a husband, he was able to 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.760 like push it down and then it would come back 1:05:32.760 --> 1:05:33.200 out again. 1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:38.520 I don't know. Great question for the psychiatrists, psychologists, Listener. 1:05:38.200 --> 1:05:40.760 And Green River's in the Pacific Northwest, Raight, I feel 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:42.760 like people were really talking about him while we were 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:45.960 just there. We haven't covered him, right. 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.480 No, No, I don't think anyone on the show has 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.160 ever killed? Like, I think he's the most prolific serial killer? 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:55.640 Wait really yeah, because they don't know. But I think 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:59.240 they think he's killed like one hundred sex workers because 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:03.840 he was active for like decades, I think. But you know, 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:06.080 it's like some of the bodies were never found and 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:07.800 some people are attributed to it. So I don't I 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:09.720 don't know. It's hard to say. I think who's the 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:14.520 most prolific. But I read once that he was all right, 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:18.960 so and we're back, why did he stop? YadA YadA? 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:20.080 But where is he now? 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:22.880 So they're kind of discussing, and Finn is like, the 1:06:22.960 --> 1:06:25.200 daughter knew right away something was going down, and she 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:27.680 sent him warning texts before we took all their cell phones, 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:30.880 so we might know something. But Judge Linda is texting 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.680 Benson right now, how's eight thirty tomorrow morning? Benson goes 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:37.240 fine and then spells thanks THHX. And I don't feel 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:40.920 like Benson would do that, do you. 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:43.120 She's a woman on the go. 1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:49.360 I write THHX sometimes I'd like to see it. Caresee 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:53.120 doesn't like her texting, and he's like, are you with us? 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:58.200 That's your boss? Yeah? Now, Caresee's got an attitude. So 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:01.000 Benson's like, yes, okay, what do you think like statutory rape? 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.840 Like I'm listening, I'm better than all of you, and 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:06.640 he's and then someone's like the teen's on a tight leash, 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:10.200 and she's like she's a teen, Like she like she's 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:14.600 gonna find ways to get around the leash. So you know, 1:07:14.680 --> 1:07:17.440 she's like, she messaged him Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, like can 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.720 we like get to work without me having a babysit 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.440 you guys. Benson flings her phone down. It's like, Rolins, 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:26.040 let's go fucking solve this quickly. So they go in 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:28.320 there and the teen is amazing, I love her. She goes, 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:32.040 you guys are wrong, Albert is being persecuted. I just 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:34.640 feel like she's my daughter. I really like her. And 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:37.080 the mom is like, baby girl, are you not listening. 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.480 The cops are saying he's a rapist, he is a 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:42.520 dangerous man, and they're pleading with her to give scoop 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:44.680 and she's like, I don't know anything. The mom is 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:47.320 like come on, and Rollins is like, okay, well we 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:50.960 saw your sexts and that's photos of miners and so 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:52.560 if you don't help us out, we're gonna charge you 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:56.120 with child sex abuse images childborn baby. That's a felony. 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:58.360 You created it, you sent it. It's gonna be your 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:01.400 jail time. She goes, you can't do that, and Benson goes, 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:03.480 we can, and then looks at the mom and the 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:05.520 mom is like, are you serious, and Benson goes and 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:07.840 it was your phone under your name, so we can 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.720 charge you as well. The White Trash Duo look nervous. 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:14.200 And so now we're in Washington Square Park near the arch. 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:17.080 It's like a very beautiful place to be, and finnis 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:19.760 playing chess. The teen is under the arch. It's like 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:24.400 a spy game, sting operation. Albert approaches the teen and goes, Bethy, baby, 1:08:24.479 --> 1:08:27.599 I missed you, so you finally ditched the bitch and 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:29.680 she goes run and he's like what, and she just 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:33.120 keeps saying run, Run, run. So he's trying to run, 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:36.160 but he's surrounded. It's not gonna happen. Iced he clocks 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:38.640 his ass, he falls, and then as he pulls him 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:42.439 up and goes, ktch your ass up, the guy grunts, 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:45.280 you know, but he's going down. So he's bald. He's 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:48.599 arrested and he's humming the song that the women said. 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:52.439 The woman from Atlanta said that he was singing over 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:55.479 and over humming it. This guy's done. So the dog 1:08:55.520 --> 1:08:57.800 bite he has dog bites. The DNA from the dog 1:08:57.880 --> 1:09:01.800 match Atlanta DNA confirms like we got him, He's got 1:09:02.360 --> 1:09:05.360 And what sucks is he has salutations for his heroism 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:09.880 and he's active in the church choir. It's all very strange. 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:12.160 And not only all of this, but his ass is 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:15.400 going down for child porn. So you know, but how 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:16.800 do we get him on the charges in all the 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:19.280 other states. Maybe a confession, but like, why would he 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:23.000 confess to more like but they're like, you never know, 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:23.799 it's television. 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:26.880 Let's see what we can do. Let's go push some buttons. 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.760 So Carisiu and Fino in there and he says, I'm 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:31.960 not saying anything, and Finn goes, you don't have to 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:34.919 you're going down, baby, We got you on an attempted 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:37.240 rape of a twelve year old girl and child porn. 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:38.160 Ye done. 1:09:38.439 --> 1:09:38.519 So. 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:41.000 Then Baldy speaks and is like, she set me those 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:43.559 and they're like, we thought you weren't talking. Finn goes 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:45.840 and don't worry about a baby, claps his hands in 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:48.400 front of him, like in a way that's asmar for me, 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:51.599 Like I watched that ten times. I loved the way 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.040 he clapped his hands in front of his body and says, 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.799 you're done and you don't even know it, and then leaves. 1:09:57.240 --> 1:10:00.080 He's left with Careesy alone. He asks, okay, so, oh 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:02.519 what was that about? And Creasey says, well, between you 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.759 and me, we've got you on a few other rapes, 1:10:04.840 --> 1:10:07.200 but Tutuola doesn't even want to charge you with those, 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:10.360 and Baldy scoffs and asks what he's like, Well, we 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:12.120 don't want to send you to prison as some sort 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:15.000 of badass serial rapists. We would rather you go there 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:17.280 for child raping kiddie porn and see how you fend 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:17.919 for yourself. 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:18.879 He gets nervous. 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:22.200 Creasy continues, you kept up that hero emt profile for 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:25.040 a long time and then everybody fooled. But in prison, 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:27.800 all anybody is going to know is that you're a pedophile. 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:29.559 He does not like the sound of this. 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:31.559 He says, he is not a pedophile, and he is 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:34.840 sex with women, and it is also rare to have 1:10:34.920 --> 1:10:37.880 so many different age ranges of attack, like yeah, that's 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:38.639 like not a car. 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:40.800 Why did you go for this little girl who looks 1:10:40.840 --> 1:10:42.200 even younger than twelve? 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.360 Like it's yeah. 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:47.240 So Creasy's like yeah right, and he keeps going and 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:50.920 I love this angle. Whoever wrote this episode, fuck yeah, congratulations, 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:53.880 Like I love what is happening here, and he goes, listen, 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:56.400 we know that you committed rapes all across this country 1:10:56.400 --> 1:10:58.960 for years, evading police. But they're not going to test 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:01.000 the DNA, so no, but he's gonna know about it, 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:03.400 only you and I. That's where it is. And he 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:05.479 gets up and he says, you're rap sheet in prison. 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:10.000 That's your reputation. So he thinks you know and goes, wait, 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:13.080 there's more. There's more than you know, a lot more 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:15.800 so Careesy walks back in looks over his shoulder to 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:18.439 Finn and Benson like a little wink, and Finn is like, hey, 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:22.559 I like the new kid, and Rollins has some annoying 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:25.400 news though. After this cool win, Dodds wants to see 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:28.880 everyone at her at Comstat at eight am, but she 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:31.160 has to meet for baby no way a thirty. What 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:34.519 is going to happen? Rollin says it didn't sound like 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:38.439 a request, and it's like, now she caught him you're 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:40.160 still mad she caught him. 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:42.920 What do you mean it's that you're gonna be pissed 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:45.519 she caught him. Yeah. 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:47.679 So we cut to her thanking the judge for meetings 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:50.679 so early, and she's like, well, I appreciate you making 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:52.680 the time, sergeant, and they're gonna have, you know, have 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:56.240 some chats. She wanted to talk before the ruling, just 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:59.400 to make sure, and basically she says, listen. The judge 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:01.960 tells Benson, if you're in a situation you can't handle, 1:12:02.400 --> 1:12:04.840 that's fine. Like you thought you could handle it, you can't. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:07.680 There's no shame, no biggie, I will not judge you, 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:11.280 and she goes, I like you a lot, but my 1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:15.040 main priority is Noah. And now during the meeting, Benson's 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:18.240 phone is buzzing and buzzing and Dodds has no fucking boundaries. 1:12:18.520 --> 1:12:21.519 Benson says, my priority is to Noah. I'm not taking 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:23.920 this call. I need to be here, and she wants 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:26.599 the judge to understand her priority as Noah's well being, 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:28.920 health and happiness, and that she could not love him 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:30.920 more and she's going to prove that to her and 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:33.720 Child Services, and the judge is like, don't promise me, 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:38.559 promise Noah, Benson nods. So then Benson is running into 1:12:38.600 --> 1:12:41.519 Dods outside and DoD's like cutting it close, and She's like, 1:12:41.560 --> 1:12:44.320 I'm fucking here. I would hate to have such an 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:46.640 early day. I would really not like this to be 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:48.880 my life. And they go in there and she gives 1:12:48.920 --> 1:12:52.800 them the info pattern seventeen rapist has confessed three rapes 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:56.719 in NYC and twenty eight other rapes in multiple cities, 1:12:57.160 --> 1:12:59.920 and there might be more. Again, this episode is just 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:05.040 so poignant, shoving the point down your throat test rape kits, 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:08.799 you fucking piece of shit. Men in charge of everything. 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:12.720 Some loser bitch said, well, so many rapes couldn't SV 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:15.360 you do something differently, and it's like, you mean, solve 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:19.920 the case, have a confession. Yeah, she says, we did 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:22.559 our jobs, but the fact is we are reliant on 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:25.360 other jurisdictions when their purpse come to us. And Hank 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:28.919 is like, okay, so I'm hearing there's a communication issue, 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:31.960 So how are we gonna improve your communication? And now 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:35.679 even Dodds loser ass is defending Benson and he goes, Hank, 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:38.760 the issue is not communication. There's a national rape kit 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:43.200 backlog issue. Here and let let's let Sergeant Benson continue, 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:46.679 and she says, we caught him in a week after 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:49.920 his first assault here, and the brutal truth is all 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:53.000 New York assaults could have and should have been prevented. 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:54.600 And they wouldn't have caught him if they didn't have 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:57.640 a fucking random detective from Atlanta on the squad, Like 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:02.680 they wouldn't have Yeah, you know, Albert Beck is a 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:06.559 career rapist who's moved from state to state year after year. 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:10.080 But because of many cities have underfunded departments, and many 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:13.840 cities do not regard crimes against women. Seriously, they never 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.840 tested thousands of their rape kits. What's the point of 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:20.280 having a national DNA database if the rapist DNA is 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.880 never entered into it? Dramatic music As we slide on 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.160 over to Rollins, she's on the phone at the office 1:14:26.200 --> 1:14:29.439 with Atlanta filling them in. Harry Hammil's like, great news, Amanda, 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:31.639 I'm glad we were there to help, and then says, 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:34.080 you know, I still think we work real well together. 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:38.120 And he's saying all this as he's watching a woman's 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:40.959 ass as she's like walking in the office's and Amanda's 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.040 like okay, bye, Chief, and he says, well, I'm coming 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:45.719 up to New York in January for a conference. Maybe 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:47.960 we can get a drink for full time sake. Amanda 1:14:48.040 --> 1:14:50.360 does not look happy with this and makes a face 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:53.920 like I can't even believe he would suggest this, and 1:14:53.960 --> 1:14:56.120 she says maybe you know, I work long hours, and 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:58.000 he's like, you know how I am. I don't take 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:02.599 no for an answer. Rollin slowly hangs up. Finn is like, 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.559 is everything okay, and she lies and says it's all good, Finn, 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:08.360 It's all good. She breathes in and out, and that's 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:12.800 dick Wolf baby. Ooh, A good one, A good one. 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:16.120 All right, don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:34.320 some crime, okay. So, as we can see by the 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:34.920 very end of. 1:15:34.920 --> 1:15:40.160 The episode, this is obviously a Marishka Hargate like episode 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.679 where she probably pushed it through because the national backlog 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:45.760 of rape kits is a huge passion project for her 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:48.559 and the Joyful Heart Foundation, which is her foundation. So 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:51.680 I'm sure, like you know, she was like, we need 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:54.600 to do an episode that focuses on this. So the episode, 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:57.960 one of the inspirations is the rape kit backlog, and 1:15:58.040 --> 1:16:00.320 I guess uh, just going off of information from the 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:03.480 joyful Heart site, which has a huge amount of information 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:05.720 about ending the backlog. 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:07.920 There's two distinct problems. 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:10.479 One is that rape kits are collected and booked into evidence, 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:13.360 but then detectives and prosecutors never send it, never asked 1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:16.000 for DNA analysis. And another is that rape kits are 1:16:16.040 --> 1:16:18.240 collected and then send to a crime lab for testing, 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.479 but then they just stay in line in like an 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:24.200 endless line, and they await DNA analysis for months, even years, 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:25.640 and in some cases indefinitely. 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:26.280 So I don't know if. 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:28.720 Labs like lose it or file it away on a 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:30.840 shelf for do this on a day where we don't 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:32.800 have any work. I don't know, but these are the 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:37.360 two problems, and these untested or unsubmitted kits are considered 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:40.960 anything that's not sent off or booked into evidence after 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:44.200 thirty days. So the website we're going to actually talk 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:45.880 about it in sister peg. But the website has like 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:48.280 a map of what states. I know Murrishka has been 1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:50.759 posting they just cleared backlogs in a couple of states, 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:54.559 so that's really good. Some jurisdictions don't even have systems 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:56.720 for counting or tracking rape kits, so we can't even 1:16:56.800 --> 1:16:59.080 be sure the total number of untested rape kits are 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.920 an istionwide. It's upset to see that California has one 1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:04.000 of the biggest numbers, but also California is one of 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:07.720 the most populous states. So but additionally, there is no 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:10.240 federal law mandating the tracking and testing of rape kits, 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:14.360 so hopefully that's legislation that can pass at some point 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.400 when the GOP's not in charge. And it's estimated that 1:17:17.439 --> 1:17:20.000 there are hundreds of thousands of untested kits in police 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:23.799 and crime lab storage facilities throughout the country. So obviously 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:26.559 a huge problem and a basis for this episode. But 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:30.800 another one is very interesting crime that I had not 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:31.439 heard anything. 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:34.559 It's like it's all such gas ladies shit too, because 1:17:34.600 --> 1:17:38.240 it's like you like people always say go to the cops, 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:40.360 like go to the cops, and then it's like cops 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:44.400 are actively not caring, and it's like people won't just submit, 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:48.400 cops don't care. Yeah, they're yeah, they are not testing 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:53.240 or prioritizing rape kits at all, and it's still seen 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:57.760 as like this haven of justice while they actively are 1:17:57.760 --> 1:17:59.600 doing everything they can to not do it. It's like 1:18:00.160 --> 1:18:03.040 it's so fucking twisted. It really, I mean, it bothers. 1:18:02.760 --> 1:18:04.000 All of us. I'm sure listening. 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:08.000 Yes, And rape kits are very like invasive. I mean 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:09.880 it's like you've just gone through a trauma and then 1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:11.519 you have to go to a doctor and be poked 1:18:11.520 --> 1:18:13.639 and prodded and photographed and all this stuff. So it's 1:18:13.680 --> 1:18:16.360 like a veryvasive, invasive process. 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:19.160 To go through. Have you heard about this girl. 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.640 This this young twenty three year old, twenty four year 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:23.280 old girl. They just did a big article about her, 1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:26.519 someone The Cut or somebody about she's trying to do 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:30.559 at home rape kits and she raised all this money 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:32.720 for it. She raised like millions of dollars in like 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:38.639 venture capitalists like funding. But like it's a crazy idea, 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.519 Like because the chain of custody, none of it would 1:18:41.520 --> 1:18:44.360 ever be admitted. So it's like and no one has 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:46.439 bought one, and the girl's like the idea is going 1:18:46.479 --> 1:18:47.880 to work, and everyone's like. 1:18:47.840 --> 1:18:49.320 It's giving the dropout. 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:52.439 Like it's really weird, this girl that's trying to do 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:55.479 these at home. It's also like I'm just saying, I 1:18:55.520 --> 1:18:57.840 see where the girl's idea came from. Because going to 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:01.080 get a rape kit is definitely difficult and a traumatic experience, 1:19:01.080 --> 1:19:03.200 and then to not have it tested, not have it 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:05.519 sent to the right place, it's just such a failure 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:09.200 to women and victims on every level. And yeah, agree, 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:12.120 It's like when you keep sending out this message that 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:14.240 this is what happens, women aren't going to report and 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:15.760 they're not going to go to the hospital and get 1:19:15.960 --> 1:19:18.439 get tested, and then you're just gonna let predators roam 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:19.519 free and keep doing this shit. 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:21.599 So yeah, the fact that the Lands how they had 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:25.840 three similar mos and they still thought every one of 1:19:25.880 --> 1:19:28.080 those women were lying because they weren't virgins. 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:30.040 It's like it's just upsetting. 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:33.720 But I do feel like Marishka Hargete, like specifically and 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:35.840 the Joyful Heart Foundation have like done a lot. 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:37.400 She made a documentary about it. 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:39.519 That got a lot of press, Like she's done a 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:42.080 lot to work on the ending the backlog and just 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:45.240 hearing that certain states are clearing their backlogs is like 1:19:45.720 --> 1:19:48.320 hope is like gives me some hope that hopeful that 1:19:48.360 --> 1:19:51.799 we can you know, pass legislation or get this moving 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:52.479 in the future. 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:53.720 It's like, I don't know what you have to do 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:54.360 if you're a victim. 1:19:54.400 --> 1:19:56.080 You have to just keep calling the cops and say, 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:57.320 did you guys submit my rape kit? 1:19:57.360 --> 1:19:57.519 Yet? 1:19:57.560 --> 1:19:58.800 What did you guy? Did you guys do it yet? 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:00.920 Like I don't understand what you're supposed to do. 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:03.840 But no, because then because then you're hysterical, and then 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:05.639 they're gonna be like, oh, she's just a looney tune 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:07.920 or something like. Right, there's no winning. 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:11.000 There's really no reaction. Is no reaction is the right reaction? 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:14.479 Okay, so I'm going to move on to the crime 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:17.599 that this was loosely based on, which are the crimes 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:21.800 of Charles William Davis Junior. And it's very wild because 1:20:21.800 --> 1:20:24.080 there is like no information on this case. I could 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:26.320 only find one photo of this man and his head 1:20:26.400 --> 1:20:26.720 is down. 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:27.800 You can't even see his face. 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:30.720 I did not join a free trial for newspapers dot 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.200 Com because I didn't want to get Wichita Eagle like Lisa. 1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:35.960 But like almost every single article I found for this 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:37.439 was a scan of. 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:38.360 A newspaper article. 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.040 And these these crimes only happened in the seventies, Like 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:46.000 there's there's usually more information, and it was just really 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:48.679 difficult to find out info about this guy. 1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:51.479 But I'll get into it now. Charles William Davis Junior. 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.559 He grew up the son of a police lieutenant in Baltimore, Maryland. 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:56.400 This is where he was born in the late forties. 1:20:57.000 --> 1:20:59.080 From his twenties on, he had a bunch of different jobs, 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:01.760 including electrician and security guard, and he was also a 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.679 member of the Baltimore Volunteer Rescue Squad. So that's where 1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:08.400 they get this ambulance driver hero idea that they did 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:11.599 in the episode, which is there is something much scarier 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:13.880 when a guy's just a psycho, or when a guy's 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.960 a pretend hero. Who's a psycho, you know, a psycho 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:19.920 pretending to be a hero. It's just like be a psycho, 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:21.760 I don't know, just be a straight up psycho. It's 1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:22.599 a lot more palatable. 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:26.479 Oh no, they have to that's their cover, I know. 1:21:26.640 --> 1:21:29.320 But it happens to work in the church and coach 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:31.960 little League and you know, be Yeah. 1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:35.000 It's how they get their I know. It's just so 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.439 so scary. So in the early seventies, this guy Davis 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:40.439 is in his early twenties and he took he took 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:41.639 courses to become a lab tech. 1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:42.719 At one point. He's married. 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:45.640 He has a son, after his divorce, he moves in 1:21:45.680 --> 1:21:48.280 with a single mom named Bonnie Kellner, whom he met 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:53.160 while volunteering. Like people think that through his like volunteer 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:56.080 quote unquote hero job, he made connections with local law 1:21:56.160 --> 1:21:58.960 enforcement and was able to kind of like study their. 1:21:58.840 --> 1:21:59.960 Methods and evade capture. 1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:03.360 Sure, but also later he's profiled as like a police 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:05.679 buff because his dad's a police officer too, so he's 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.599 like he kind of knows the ins and outs of 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:11.280 probably basic forensics, how to commit. 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:12.000 Crimes and get away with it. 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:17.639 So in late nineteen seventy four, Davis witnessed a traffic accident. 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:18.880 This is his first attack. 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:21.639 He offers to help this twenty three year old woman 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:23.640 in the accident, and by help her, I mean he 1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:26.920 drags her to a close wooded area, sexually assaults her 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:29.479 and almost strangles her to death. And I say almost 1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:32.760 only because she went unconscious and he thought she was dead, 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:35.519 and so he left. But she came to and she 1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:37.960 made her way to medical attention, and she reported the 1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:40.400 incident to the police. They worked up a sketch of 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:43.960 the attacker. But you know nothing in nineteen seventy five, 1:22:44.000 --> 1:22:48.880 for nothing, you know conclusive to get him yet. Now 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:53.120 September eleventh, nineteen seventy five, Davis is twenty six. He's 1:22:53.120 --> 1:22:55.400 at a bar drinking and smoking weed with a pal. 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:57.639 They meet two girls. One of these girls is Lydia 1:22:57.760 --> 1:23:02.839 Victoria Norman, sixteen years old. They go out to a diner, 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:04.839 then they go to a remote area near the Baltimore 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:06.000 Airport where they drink more. 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:08.360 They make out. He asks her to have sex. 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:11.920 She turns him down, so obviously, he strangles her to death, 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:14.040 drags her body out of the car, and then dumps 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:16.200 her on the ground. But she was found fully closed, 1:23:16.200 --> 1:23:18.160 so I don't think he ever actually went through a 1:23:18.160 --> 1:23:21.360 sexual assault for this case, but just being turned down 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:24.640 by a woman angered him to murder the point of 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:27.880 murder she did have. She was also found with a 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:30.439 license like a fake idea that said she was eighteen, 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:32.040 so I guess that's why she was in bars, but 1:23:32.080 --> 1:23:32.799 she was sixteen. 1:23:32.840 --> 1:23:33.840 She was a high school student. 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:39.479 So a few months later, Davis loses custody of his son, 1:23:39.880 --> 1:23:42.599 so he decides to assault a female social work. 1:23:42.600 --> 1:23:44.519 I don't know if they were like tying this in with. 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:47.840 Like Benson and the custody stuff, but he decides to 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:50.840 assault a female social worker who he believed was the 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:54.360 reason behind him losing custody. So on New Year's Eve, 1:23:54.600 --> 1:23:56.680 he lures her from a nightclub and everything I keep 1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:58.519 reading says he lures her. He lures her, And I'm like, 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.719 how does he lure her out of out the parking lot? 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:01.960 And here's how he does it. 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:06.160 He gets her license plate number of this of the woman, 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.880 and he calls the club and says, can you ask 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:11.559 this woman to come this person to come out and 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.160 move their car. They're blocking me in so over the 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:17.559 PA system at the club they go, uh, license plate 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:20.559 four three seven, one h whatever, Come on out, you're 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.320 blocking someone. He gets her out there, he gets her 1:24:23.320 --> 1:24:26.519 into his car. He realizes it's the wrong fucking woman. 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:30.080 It's not the woman that he is related to his case. 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:33.160 It's her name is Kathleen Diane Cook. She's twenty four, 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:35.600 she has no relation to the court case. And she's like, 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:37.160 get me the fuck out of here. And she tells 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:39.360 him that her father in law is a state police 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:41.839 lieutenant colonel, so very high up in the state police. 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:45.280 But he doesn't that doesn't really spook him. He sexually 1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:50.040 assaults her and then after he's done. I read a 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:52.200 couple different accounts. One of them she said, oh, does 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:54.200 that make you feel like a big man? Or and 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:56.880 that she kept like sort of humiliating him and calling 1:24:56.960 --> 1:24:59.519 him impotent and bad with woman, and so this pissed 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:01.360 him off, and he shot her four times with a 1:25:01.360 --> 1:25:05.320 thirty eight revolver. So, according to a lot of the 1:25:05.360 --> 1:25:07.840 newspapers I read, that's what killed her. She was shot 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:12.000 to death. But Wikipedia says that the gunshots miraculously didn't 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:14.280 kill her, and that she ran and Davis caught her 1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:16.799 and stabbed her. But there's no mention of this anywhere 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:20.120 else but or sources to it. But there's also so 1:25:20.520 --> 1:25:22.680 little info about this murder that I'm just including it. 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.519 But I can't back that claim up. The newspapers say 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:29.080 that the gunshots are what killed her. So now this 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:32.639 woman is dead. And now it's August twenty fourth, nineteen 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:36.160 seventy six, almost nine months later. Davis is driving along 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:38.879 I ninety five when a woman approaches him for directions 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:41.719 to the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. And this woman is Peggy 1:25:41.760 --> 1:25:45.799 Ellen Pumpian. She's twenty three years old. They chat briefly, 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:48.639 she drives off. He starts to follow her. He then 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:51.320 forces her to pull over, claiming that, oh, I can 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:53.400 show you another route. I don't know how this happened. 1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:56.880 She somehow lets him inside her car. He starts drawing 1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.040 a map in pencil, but then he pulls out a 1:25:59.080 --> 1:26:01.479 gun and demands money from her. And so after he 1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:04.599 robs her, he does sexually assault her at gunpoint and 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:07.360 then attempting to escape, she hits him in the face, 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:09.880 which causes a huge fight, and in the fight he 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:12.840 shoots her five times in the chest, killing her. Then 1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:15.320 he wipes his prints from the car because as we know, 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:18.720 he knows a little bit about copping and you know, investigation, 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:21.880 So he wipes his princes from the car leaves, and 1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:23.840 then he heads to New York to like establish an 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:27.240 alibi for himself. Peggy's body is discovered eight hours later. 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:29.800 The ballistics were matched to show that it was the 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:32.639 same gun used to kill Kathleen Diane Cook. So now 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:35.840 these two cases are connected, these to Baltimore cases. A 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:38.680 few places I read which they did not put this 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:40.479 in the episode, but I think they've put stuff like 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.000 this in other episodes. A few places I read said 1:26:43.000 --> 1:26:45.439 that he liked the attention and that after he killed 1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:49.280 the victims, he would call authorities and tell them where 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:52.840 the assaults were or where the bodies were to be found. 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:55.080 But other people said that he would call authorities and 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:58.640 emergency services to report the assaults, and he would leave 1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:00.720 the bodies on his own root so that he'd be 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:03.240 the one to go retrieve the body that he himself 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:04.160 had killed. 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:05.559 So again, I. 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:06.400 Can't verify this. 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:08.880 I'm reading this in places that don't have sources, like 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:11.400 murder Pedia, and every article about this man is like 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:12.680 a scam from a newspaper. 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:14.679 So I don't know if that's true. 1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:16.800 But that's what a lot of like Reddit and like 1:27:16.840 --> 1:27:18.880 a lot of places are like, you wouldn't believe this 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:21.759 serial killer. He killed women and then called the ambulance 1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:24.160 and he was the ambulance driver, blah blah blah, which 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:26.559 we all know they just did an ambulance episode of SVU, 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:30.479 but that was not a real ambulance driver. So a 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:34.000 week later, September third, So now it's like he's getting 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:37.479 closer and closer. These last two crimes are nine months apart, 1:27:37.520 --> 1:27:40.320 and now it's a week after he kills someone. He 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:43.000 assaults a twenty one year old woman. He meets on 1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:44.880 I ninety five who has run out of gas and 1:27:44.920 --> 1:27:46.680 god knows why, but he lets her live and he 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:48.920 just takes off after the assault. Maybe she didn't say 1:27:48.960 --> 1:27:51.479 anything to you know, anger him. I'm not victim blaming, 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.040 but maybe she, like you know, he just decided to leave. 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:58.880 So five months later, February twenty third, nineteen seventy seven, 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:02.160 he lures a twenty four year old pregnant woman named 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:05.280 Carol Willingham into his car under the pretext of helping 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:07.920 him her. They drive to a wooded area, he beats her, 1:28:07.960 --> 1:28:10.400 robs her, and sexually assaults her, but then releases her. 1:28:11.479 --> 1:28:14.680 And then five months later, still in July of that 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:17.160 same year, in nineteen seventy seven, he's pulled over by 1:28:17.240 --> 1:28:20.479 cops for having stolen plates on his VW Beetle, which 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:24.559 I believe also is the car that Ted that Ted 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:28.400 Bundy drove. So the official car of serial killers is 1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:29.200 the Beatle. 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:32.400 Well, because it's such a cute car. It's like a trick, 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:33.560 a little disguise. 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:36.360 You think. It just looks like, come on to my Beetle. 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:41.360 It's a non threatening vehicle versus a van like a truck. Yeah, 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:46.080 a van a Mercury, a four Taurists, creepy car. Yeah, freedom, 1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:47.439 We used to have a four Tourists. 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:51.519 We used to have a four Taurus station wagon, not 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:54.760 the cop kind, the station wagon y a creepy car. 1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:56.840 And we had a van. My dad used to pick 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:58.200 me up in a Dodge Ram van. 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:01.680 Yeah, but a volt black and bug you know. 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:04.599 Yeah, Yeah, would have much preferred my dad to pick 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:05.240 me up in a bug. 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:06.519 Okay. 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:10.040 So he admitted to the cops to stealing the license plates, 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:12.320 to swapping them, but he refused to say why. 1:29:12.560 --> 1:29:13.000 Then in a. 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:15.680 Search of his car, they discover a Seebee radio under 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:17.960 one of the seats, and they determined that it's been stolen, 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:20.559 and so they arrest him for theft and they take 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:24.839 him to County Lockup. Then in County Lockup, he claims 1:29:24.840 --> 1:29:28.000 his innocence and he somehow produces a receipt from the 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:31.559 store in Baltimore where he bought the Cebee radio, so 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.400 the charges dropped and he is released. But then when 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:36.960 the cops did a little bit of police work, they 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:39.960 realized it had been purchased with a credit card belonging 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:42.640 to the husband of Carol Winningham, the pregnant woman. He 1:29:42.640 --> 1:29:47.120 had assaulted, so they take her in. She immediately I 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:49.080 ds him as her attacker, and now a warrant is 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:50.200 out for his arrest. 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:51.600 So I don't know. 1:29:51.760 --> 1:29:53.920 This guy is ballsy that he got this receipt even 1:29:53.920 --> 1:29:56.559 though it was like with a stolen credit card, because at. 1:29:56.400 --> 1:29:58.599 That Butody, we knew it would work. He knew cops radiots. 1:29:59.080 --> 1:30:03.440 Yeah, yeah, men will trust any random man over dozens 1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:05.320 of women with victims, you know what I mean? 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:06.559 So true. 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:11.160 So then this all goes down in July and it's 1:30:11.200 --> 1:30:13.320 not for a month five weeks later or so, at 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:15.400 the end of August that they find him working as 1:30:15.400 --> 1:30:19.040 an ambulance dispatch helper in Reno, Nevada, and he has 1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:19.600 arrested my. 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:20.519 Local police there. 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:24.040 He gets extradited back to Baltimore to await trial. On 1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:27.080 his way back to Maryland, he apparently told the escorting 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:29.640 officers that he wanted to confess to the murder of 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:32.320 Peggy pumpy In, and at the police station he confessed 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:34.160 to both the murders. 1:30:33.840 --> 1:30:36.439 Of pumpy In and Cook on videotape. 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:40.720 After his arrest, a bunch of high ranking cops got 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:44.720 together to talk about strategy for prosecuting him. And this 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:46.720 is not the same, but it reminds me of like 1:30:46.760 --> 1:30:48.439 how they're like, oh, we're just going to send you 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:52.000 to jails as a pedophile instead of a serial rapist, 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.080 so that, I don't know, it reminds me of it. 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:55.599 I don't think it's like fully based. 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:59.080 But they decide to try him separately in different venues 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:01.479 for the true trial the two cases, even though they're 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:05.400 in the same they're both in Maryland because they're worried 1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:07.000 he might not get a fair trial for one of 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:09.599 them because of publicity, and they don't really want anything 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.320 to fuck anything up. But it's like, it's just really 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:14.719 crazy how you can't fucking find anything about these murders 1:31:14.760 --> 1:31:16.519 and they're worried about the publicity. I'm like, I can't 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:19.799 even find a picture of this man's face. But allegedly 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:22.240 they were worried about this publicity thing. So they separate 1:31:22.280 --> 1:31:24.920 the trials. So he goes to Alleghany County where he's 1:31:24.960 --> 1:31:27.639 charged with Cook's murder. He's found guilty in nineteen seventy 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:29.880 eight sentence to life in prison. Then he goes to 1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:33.000 trial for Pumpian's murder, and since he was already serving 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:35.559 a life sentence, his attorneys filed a motion for a mistrial, 1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:37.679 which is granted. I don't know why they give double 1:31:37.680 --> 1:31:40.759 sentences of life all the time. It's like about justice 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:44.519 for the person and the families. But he is found 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:47.479 guilty in a second trial after the mistrial, and he 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:50.320 is found guilty for the murder of Peggy pumpi In 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:52.320 and he does get a second life term in April 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:56.280 of nineteen seventy nine. So then his attorney named Arnold 1:31:56.320 --> 1:31:59.080 Zerwitz tried convincing the jury that Davis had been pressured 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:01.160 into the confession by the police, but his argument is 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:03.680 like fully ignored, like everyone knows it's this guy. In 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:08.160 early nineteen seventy nine, he's transferred to Arundale County where 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:11.000 he's put on trial for killing Lydia Norman, the sixteen 1:32:11.080 --> 1:32:13.960 year old, which was his first murder. And in early 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:16.479 nineteen eighty he's also found guilty for her murder and 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:18.599 sentenced to a life term with a chance of pearl 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:21.000 after forty eight years. But it doesn't really matter because 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:25.040 I think the two other life terms are not with pearls, 1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:27.320 so I don't think he can ever get out. And 1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:29.280 then they said while the sentence was read out. He 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:33.280 did not react. He remained completely calm. In the early eighties, 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:38.320 he's interviewed on a few occasions by FBI agent John E. Douglas, 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:40.200 who's the guy who wrote mind Hunter and who mind 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:43.720 Hunter is based on. And the aim is obviously was 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:46.320 to create, you know, offender profiles so that we could 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:48.679 capture future serial killers, like the whole plot of mind Hunter. 1:32:49.600 --> 1:32:51.280 One place I read said that this is one of 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:53.799 the only cases where Douglas went in to meet with 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:57.160 the with the perpetrator knowing nothing about his crime, so 1:32:57.360 --> 1:33:00.200 he walked in colds. This interview with Davis knows nothing 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:02.120 about his crimes, but still got a good profile out 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:05.280 of him. He said Davis was a police buff because 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:06.840 you know, his dad was a cop. He would have 1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:08.479 liked to have done a job like that where he 1:33:08.479 --> 1:33:10.840 would have authority, but he settled for a job below 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:14.639 his potential. He had problems relating to women. His crimes 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:17.000 were prompted by his frustration over the lack of control 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:19.120 he had in his life. At the time of his 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:21.160 first murder, he was struggling with the woman he lived 1:33:21.160 --> 1:33:24.080 with and was suffering financial difficulties and was drinking heavily, 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:25.880 so he took out the anger he felt for the 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:27.839 woman in his life on his victims. 1:33:27.880 --> 1:33:29.920 So it's classic in cel shit, you know. 1:33:30.840 --> 1:33:33.200 And so I guess maybe with like what you were 1:33:33.200 --> 1:33:36.600 talking about before, It's like maybe if his relationship is 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:38.760 going well, he doesn't have all this anger, and then 1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:40.760 when his relationship's not going well, he goes out and 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:43.360 takes it out on these people. It's like I say, 1:33:43.360 --> 1:33:45.439 I mean Ted Bundy had a full girlfriend the entire 1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:48.160 time and never hurt her in any way, Like I. 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:49.320 Do a stand up joke about it. 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:51.040 So it's like, I don't know what goes on with 1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:52.880 these guys when they take breaks, or when they're in 1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:55.439 a happy relationship or what's going on. But this man, 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:59.240 Charles William Davis Junior, is still alive and incarcerated in Maryland. 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:02.040 He is in prison in the Baltimore area and he 1:34:02.120 --> 1:34:03.599 will be there forever. 1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:05.720 And that's that. 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:08.639 I don't know. I've never heard of this guy. 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:12.760 And it's interesting that he was profiled by the scot 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:14.680 by this guy and it was just so hard to 1:34:14.680 --> 1:34:17.240 find information. But if you have any more information, do 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:19.200 let me know. But that's what I have for now. 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:24.400 Fuck the police, and yeah, we have an interview, a 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:25.120 great interview. 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:26.799 We have a great interview. 1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:38.880 Yeah, don't go anywhere, you guys, our guest today. He's 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:40.920 been on our list since the beginning. We have wanted 1:34:40.960 --> 1:34:42.800 to get him since the beginning. He is in the 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:44.960 character actor hall of Fame. You guys know him. He's 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:48.840 been on Ray Donovan, Missus, Fletcher, the Dropout. He's also 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:52.120 been in movies like Funny Pages and Joker, and famously, 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:55.599 you may not even know this, he played Raphael in 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:58.639 the Suit in the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:02.040 and today know him as one of the most annoying 1:35:02.600 --> 1:35:07.960 asshole characters and honestly a pedophile. Deputy Commissioner Hank Abraham, 1:35:08.200 --> 1:35:10.200 we were so psyched to talk to Josh Pice. 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:13.200 Check it out, you guys, we've been wanting you on 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:15.320 our show for a very long time. Yeah, thank you 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:17.120 so much. A big get for us. 1:35:17.320 --> 1:35:20.360 Oh good good, Oh yeah. I know it's taken a 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:23.000 while to make this happen, but this. 1:35:23.160 --> 1:35:25.320 Is the moment, worth the way, worth the way. 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:28.200 Well, we'll see, we'll see. Let's see. 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:32.879 Well, I mean, so we did do the episode Collateral 1:35:32.960 --> 1:35:35.519 Damages Samantha Corbin, the writer, was our guest for that 1:35:35.640 --> 1:35:38.840 one where it comes out Hank Abraham sorry to jump 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:43.200 right in, but no get in is a pedophile. Did 1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:46.040 you know going into the role of Hank Abraham he 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:47.360 was gonna be a pedophile? 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:49.400 Did they spring it on you? How did they read 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:53.320 no idea, no idea? I don't think they knew either, honestly. 1:35:54.120 --> 1:36:01.560 And that whole character started out as you know, what 1:36:01.720 --> 1:36:04.719 I thought was just going to be one episode where 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:10.720 he was like a pr agent for somebody running for 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:16.720 some political position in New York. And then they liked 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:19.920 what I was doing, and then they kind of had me, 1:36:20.720 --> 1:36:23.360 had me build up, and then I got to a 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:26.240 place where where Hank got to a place where he 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:36.760 was actually more powerful politically than Mariscus character, and which 1:36:36.880 --> 1:36:42.280 was like an interesting build up for me. And then 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.560 I I was hanging out like, you know, doing that 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:49.800 and then I remember saying to you know, saying to 1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:53.080 the writers, I was like, let's find something juicy, you know. 1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:57.240 And there was actually a writer director who was involved 1:36:57.360 --> 1:37:01.840 with the show that had a whole situation happened that 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:07.759 was not dissimilar from what ended up becoming Hank's story 1:37:08.600 --> 1:37:12.439 and not that they drew directly from that, but I 1:37:12.560 --> 1:37:17.200 think that gave them ideas like this guy that gets 1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:21.599 all the way to the top and then falls. Yeah, 1:37:22.640 --> 1:37:26.840 so I had no idea at all until that episode. 1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:29.760 Was it shocking to you or were you like, yeah, 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:31.280 this is this is Hank. 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:38.559 Yeah, it was shocking. It was totally shocking. Like looking 1:37:38.720 --> 1:37:41.800 back in retrospect, you could see, oh I could yeah 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:44.560 that doesn't you know that kind of makes sense on 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:48.639 some level, or you know, it could it could make sense. 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:52.599 It could have gone you know, so many different directions. Yeah, 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:57.160 but that was you know, it was like really disturbing content, 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:02.680 and it was I had to It was very It 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:07.400 was definitely the most challenging episode, you know, especially when 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:13.560 he's fighting to be like, you know, I just watched it. 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:14.840 I didn't. I didn't. 1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:17.479 I didn't act on it, or I didn't act. 1:38:17.360 --> 1:38:22.479 On I didn't, And which is like a really valid 1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:29.439 interesting thing to explore, you know, because if somebody is 1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:34.920 seeking out that content, there's somebody's you know, that increases 1:38:34.960 --> 1:38:38.320 the demand for people to make it, and so you know, 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:43.200 on that level, it was a good thing to explore. 1:38:43.720 --> 1:38:46.880 Yeah, it was a great performance and like he tries 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:48.320 to take his own life and stuff. 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:50.240 It was a wild episode. 1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:50.679 Yeah. 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:52.679 So do you live in New York? 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:54.439 Yeah? I grew up in New York. 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:58.360 Yeah. Are you raised? Are people reacting to you on 1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:03.559 the streets? Have you ever had experience yesterday? 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:05.679 Wait? Really yesterday? 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:11.680 Yes? Yeah, I mean oddly enough about I'm assuming it 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:15.320 was this. I mean, I've played a bunch of guys 1:39:15.520 --> 1:39:21.080 that are not the most ethical. Yeah, And this woman 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:24.760 came up and said you. She was very nice, but 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:28.759 she was like, you're too good. You're you're You've played 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:32.640 too many You've played people that are it's too convincing 1:39:32.720 --> 1:39:35.200 what you're doing. It was a compliment, you know, she 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:40.800 was being very playful. But I assume it was you know, 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:42.480 I assume it was Hank Abraham. 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:44.519 Yeah, when you. 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:46.920 Came back, because you were there at the very beginning. 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:48.639 You're in season one, right, your. 1:39:48.600 --> 1:39:51.320 S I was also in I don't know if your 1:39:51.400 --> 1:39:54.080 show covers this, but I was also in season one 1:39:55.000 --> 1:39:56.200 of the Mothership. 1:39:57.960 --> 1:39:58.280 Wow. 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:00.800 We I knew you were in the Mothership, and I do, 1:40:00.920 --> 1:40:02.519 and I was going to ask you questions about the 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:04.839 other franchises, but yeah. 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:06.960 But we don't I don't. 1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:09.360 I didn't know that because I only dabble a little 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:14.840 in regular law in order SV you're specialists, spize, we specialize, 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:19.160 We're not like, yeah, we're not general practitioners. Did did 1:40:19.240 --> 1:40:21.920 you so, like, because you have this like unique perspective 1:40:21.960 --> 1:40:23.759 of like you were there at the very, very beginning. 1:40:24.040 --> 1:40:26.719 So everybody always talks about, oh, it's a well oiled machine, 1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:28.760 the sets really like run. But you were there at 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:30.799 the beginning when they were probably still finding their footing, 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:34.160 and then you were there ten years later. So did 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:36.360 you notice any big changes on the set from like, 1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:38.439 well you were also there in the Stabler years versus 1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:41.519 the non Stabler years, Like any big changes from when 1:40:41.560 --> 1:40:42.559 you sort of came back. 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:47.000 I mean, I think in the beginning it was run 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:54.200 by like high optane testosterone. Like it was like it 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:58.000 was just like this sense of drive that people had 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:04.160 and and and it was just it was an intense 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:09.280 you know, prior to that, I'd done just mostly theater 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:13.120 and starting to do some other TV and film. But 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.240 you know a lot of theater where there's you know, 1:41:16.479 --> 1:41:19.840 a rehearsal and blah blah blah, and this was like 1:41:20.439 --> 1:41:22.400 it felt like they were yelling at me, you know, 1:41:22.600 --> 1:41:24.360 not it wasn't personal, but it's like. 1:41:24.760 --> 1:41:27.040 Okay, this is Josh. Okay, you're gonna come in here, 1:41:27.280 --> 1:41:30.120 you're gonna walk out there, then you're gonna cut back 1:41:30.200 --> 1:41:32.880 there when he says that you're gonna do this. It 1:41:33.040 --> 1:41:36.120 was I don't know quind how I made it through, 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:39.479 but it was like my nervous system was like and. 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:43.000 So it was. But it was just like a lot 1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:46.960 of passion and you know, and then they started bringing 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:52.280 that character back. I was I was Borak, the medical examiner, 1:41:53.200 --> 1:41:57.679 and and I don't know, I think it did maybe 1:41:58.320 --> 1:42:01.040 maybe around twenty episodes. Yeah, and it was just like 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:05.000 one or two scenes, and I just I think maybe 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:08.559 what they liked is I was playing whenever I would 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:11.360 deal with the two guys whatever two guys. And the 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:16.080 first it was like George Zunza and I can't remember 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:20.040 who the other guy was, but I just started playing 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:24.000 with that I knew more than them, and that I 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:27.320 was like kind of pissed off that they were getting 1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:30.080 all the attention for breaking these cases, but it was 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:32.639 really me and so like I just kind of created 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:40.280 this dynamic which I think, you know, felt very in 1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:42.960 the world especially early on in the show of that 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:47.720 kind of masculine, you know, headbanging kind of thing. 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:51.080 Yeah, did you have to memorize wild words? Do you 1:42:51.120 --> 1:42:55.240 remember any of your medical No? 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:59.160 No, but it was that was that was intense and 1:43:00.800 --> 1:43:05.560 one uh nightmare, this is one of my actor nightmares. 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:09.400 Was and it was real. I was doing a play 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:13.479 and they called and they said, we have another episode 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.880 for you. Can you come in? You know, it was 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:19.080 like two days later and and the play was going 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:22.240 up and you know, three days and so it was 1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:25.479 like a lot of chaos. I got the script, you know, 1:43:25.640 --> 1:43:31.360 I found my scene, had it memorized, went shot the scene, 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:33.640 and then I was like, okay, you know, and then 1:43:33.640 --> 1:43:37.200 they were like, oh no, we're gonna We're gonna break 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:38.680 and then we're gonna do your other scene. I was 1:43:38.760 --> 1:43:41.840 like my other scene and it was like later I 1:43:42.000 --> 1:43:45.600 hadn't like I was just looking, you know, frantically for 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:48.280 my stuff so I could learn it fast. I had 1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:54.160 this whole scene with me. Who were the guys like 1:43:54.400 --> 1:44:00.240 or Bach or Bach? And was it Benjamin Bratt? I think, yeah, 1:44:00.240 --> 1:44:00.759 it depends. 1:44:00.840 --> 1:44:03.000 I forget when Benjamin Bratt came on, because you did 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:06.679 Law and Order seasons like three, four, five, six, seventy eight, ten, twelve, 1:44:06.760 --> 1:44:09.280 thirteen of the mother Ship. So yeah, there would have 1:44:09.320 --> 1:44:11.280 been Benjamin Bratt definitely would have been on there. 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:14.920 It was definitely more back. Oh my god. But so 1:44:15.080 --> 1:44:17.920 we were, you know, and I was like in that break, 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:21.360 I was and it was talking about a corpse and 1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:24.560 what happened, what happened to the body? Like it was impossible. 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:28.920 It was I was just how, you know, just trying 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:31.800 to digest this and it was the last shot of 1:44:32.760 --> 1:44:36.560 the day, and the crew you know, was like, we 1:44:36.680 --> 1:44:40.000 want to go home, you know, and and I just 1:44:40.720 --> 1:44:45.000 was like flubbing the lines. It was an or back 1:44:45.200 --> 1:44:48.160 was like we did it so many times. He knew 1:44:48.240 --> 1:44:51.000 my lines, but like better. It was like in that 1:44:51.160 --> 1:44:53.280 it was just a nightmare. But finally we got it 1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:57.960 and it came out great, but definitely taught me a lesson. 1:44:58.560 --> 1:45:00.920 Yeah, this episode was cool to film. 1:45:00.920 --> 1:45:03.040 There were so many of you in that it was 1:45:03.120 --> 1:45:05.600 like a round table of all these officers and she 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:06.799 was just right in the middle. 1:45:08.280 --> 1:45:11.360 Yeah, it was that took that was a long That 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:16.160 took a long time, a very long time to film. 1:45:16.520 --> 1:45:20.640 Oh really, and uh yeah, and I think for whatever like, 1:45:20.760 --> 1:45:25.400 I think that the content that Marishka was talking about 1:45:25.640 --> 1:45:30.760 in that episode in particular was very It meant a 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:32.280 tremendous amount. 1:45:32.160 --> 1:45:35.400 To her, oh right, because of the rape kit backlog. 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:38.559 And the yeah, like it was I think just because 1:45:38.760 --> 1:45:41.479 it was it meant so much to her. It was 1:45:41.720 --> 1:45:45.439 like it was challenging in a different way for her, 1:45:46.000 --> 1:45:50.280 which it came out beautifully, but it was an intense 1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:53.400 folk like we could all of a sudden feel like 1:45:53.760 --> 1:45:58.080 this is this is rich, this is close to home 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:02.479 in terms of you know, what the content meant to 1:46:02.640 --> 1:46:06.320 her means to her. So it was it was a 1:46:07.400 --> 1:46:10.920 it was a very dynamic, focused day. 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:14.719 Yeah, I'm probably getting the coverage of all those guys. 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:17.519 And you're with Peter Gallagher in that scene too. Did 1:46:17.560 --> 1:46:18.439 you like working with him? 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:20.639 He's he's a great He was like a great soil 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:23.280 for her because he was so awful to her, but then. 1:46:23.240 --> 1:46:26.439 You grow to like him, right right, Another one of 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:30.160 those unlike can't Gabraham you kind of took a I 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:32.679 was like waiting for that with your character all actually 1:46:32.920 --> 1:46:35.120 really yeah, I was like, they're gonna give him some 1:46:35.360 --> 1:46:38.400 episode where like he has a personal problem and Marishka 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:41.000 helps him and he turns like good. 1:46:41.120 --> 1:46:43.000 But they really took a hard left on that. 1:46:43.640 --> 1:46:43.840 Yeah. 1:46:44.240 --> 1:46:47.040 Yeah, well because you guys there is a buddy buddy 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:49.360 moment between you guys. Sorry if it's too specific. It 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:52.680 was the episode with Alec Baldwin. Okay, remember we did 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:55.679 that one and you're like, oh, there he's writing an article. 1:46:56.000 --> 1:47:00.760 You're amazing, and yeah they did tease yeah littleliness for 1:47:00.840 --> 1:47:01.120 a bit. 1:47:01.320 --> 1:47:04.120 Yeah. I don't know if you remember in that episode 1:47:04.680 --> 1:47:07.640 that I did prior to that one, I did the 1:47:07.760 --> 1:47:10.680 prior episode. Then I went I was in I was 1:47:10.720 --> 1:47:17.000 also recurring on Ray Donovan. And on Ray Donovan, they 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:20.960 they always colored my hair, you know, to like this 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:24.720 producer you know that colors this hair, you know. And 1:47:26.520 --> 1:47:30.040 and then I think I shot that episode with Alec Baldwin, 1:47:30.200 --> 1:47:34.320 like in between an episode of Ray Donovan. I flew 1:47:34.400 --> 1:47:39.720 back to New York to shoot that. And so the 1:47:39.800 --> 1:47:42.000 prior episode, you know, my hair was closer to this, 1:47:42.680 --> 1:47:47.760 you know, natural this actual color salt pepper, and so 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:51.080 they had to like the producers were like, what did 1:47:51.120 --> 1:47:54.479 you what did you do with your hair? And I 1:47:54.640 --> 1:47:56.800 was like, I'm working on this other show and blah 1:47:56.800 --> 1:48:01.360 blah blah, and so they wrote it in a line 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:05.360 that probably only you guys will appreciate, but they wrote 1:48:05.400 --> 1:48:09.920 in Alex says, Hank, you know, what did you do 1:48:10.000 --> 1:48:15.040 to your hair? And then I had some response. I 1:48:15.120 --> 1:48:19.679 can't remember what it was, but they kind of love that. Yeah, 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:21.000 that is so funny. 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:23.519 Did you ever live in la or were you always? 1:48:25.280 --> 1:48:26.920 I had a house in l A for a while, 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:33.040 got out just in time, but uh, just spent stretches 1:48:33.080 --> 1:48:36.519 of time out there. But I've I would never, you know, 1:48:37.320 --> 1:48:41.200 I grew up in Alphabet City, and you know, I 1:48:41.280 --> 1:48:45.200 could never you know, I live partially in Sad Harbor, 1:48:45.800 --> 1:48:50.919 but always I just couldn't imagine not having an apartment 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:54.880 in New York. It feels too unsettling. 1:48:55.479 --> 1:49:00.479 And were you always theater acting since you were fall is? 1:49:01.040 --> 1:49:04.719 Yeah? I mean in our home in these village, maybe 1:49:04.840 --> 1:49:08.360 every other weekend, like on a Saturday night, we would 1:49:08.439 --> 1:49:11.400 have like a show and people would come. There'd be 1:49:11.560 --> 1:49:15.439 like maybe thirty people, thirty to forty people like crammed 1:49:15.479 --> 1:49:19.720 in the living room and I was like nine ten 1:49:20.080 --> 1:49:24.679 and I was kind of doing you know, characters or whatever, 1:49:24.760 --> 1:49:26.920 and then other people would get up and do stuff, 1:49:26.960 --> 1:49:30.439 and there was there was this one cab driver named 1:49:30.479 --> 1:49:33.639 Billy who would call me park his cab. He would 1:49:33.640 --> 1:49:36.040 always do the same thing, and he would do like 1:49:36.560 --> 1:49:38.960 he'd have a bowler hat and he would then take 1:49:39.000 --> 1:49:40.800 it off. He would put it on and play like 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:43.880 one of the characters in Waiting for get Out and 1:49:44.000 --> 1:49:47.000 take it off to the other character. And whenever he 1:49:47.000 --> 1:49:49.040 would always do the same thing. And whenever he would 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:51.080 do his thing like people would just be like, Okay, 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:54.160 I'm gonna get up and get some more wine, and 1:49:54.280 --> 1:49:56.320 he would he didn't care what he's doing his thing. 1:49:56.520 --> 1:49:57.439 Yeah, it's so cool. 1:49:57.560 --> 1:49:59.200 So it was very I grew up, you know, it 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:02.400 was just a very bohemian creative environment. I wasn't doing 1:50:02.520 --> 1:50:05.080 it thinking I want to be an actor, but it 1:50:05.240 --> 1:50:10.280 was just a natural inclination, you know, to move that way. 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:14.559 I was interested in animal behavior as well. My dad 1:50:14.880 --> 1:50:17.439 was able to hook me up kind of assisting a 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:22.400 lot of animal behaviorists at like Brookava National Laboratory and 1:50:23.080 --> 1:50:27.000 at Rockefeller University. And I really enjoyed that, but I 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:30.599 was like, I couldn't see myself being in the laboratory. Yeah, 1:50:30.600 --> 1:50:34.360 and very much acting is you know, animal behavior true, 1:50:34.560 --> 1:50:36.000 so kind of put it all together. 1:50:36.600 --> 1:50:39.280 Very true with the Ninja Turtles. 1:50:39.400 --> 1:50:41.040 Was that like that was that was like at the 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:44.760 very beginning of your career, right, Yeah, so you were 1:50:45.120 --> 1:50:47.599 just so everybody knows because when I told my husband 1:50:47.600 --> 1:50:50.080 I was interviewing you, he was like Raphael, Like he 1:50:50.320 --> 1:50:54.240 was excited that you were the voice of Raphael. 1:50:54.320 --> 1:50:56.360 You're not in the suit, right or are you? I 1:50:56.439 --> 1:50:57.719 am in the You're in the suit. 1:50:57.960 --> 1:51:01.120 I'm the only one that was in the suit and 1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:05.360 did and and did the voice. Wow, everybody else was 1:51:05.720 --> 1:51:07.960 either in the suit or did the voice. I was 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:09.040 the only one that did both. 1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:10.360 And why was that? 1:51:10.960 --> 1:51:17.720 It was because you know, I developed this physicality, you know, 1:51:17.880 --> 1:51:21.880 like I had this where I grew up like a 1:51:21.960 --> 1:51:25.400 lot of people would walk around trying to be bigger 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:29.519 than they were physically as like a survival modality. And 1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:33.160 it was like a combination of like my physicality was 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:36.800 a combination of being as big as I could and 1:51:36.960 --> 1:51:39.720 also like turtles, like how they moved their hands like 1:51:39.760 --> 1:51:43.040 they're always pushing the dirt behind them, and that kind 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:45.479 of was also like how a lot of people in 1:51:45.560 --> 1:51:49.680 my neighborhood walked animal behavior, the animal behavior, and so 1:51:49.800 --> 1:51:53.960 I kind of put that together with like my you know, 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:58.320 putting a New York accent on it, and they were 1:51:58.400 --> 1:52:01.920 just like nobody else could do this, you know, amazing 1:52:02.200 --> 1:52:04.120 it was. It was too comprehensive. 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:07.160 Yeah, my husband says, you have the best line in 1:52:07.240 --> 1:52:12.720 the movie because you go splinter, damn it. And he 1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:15.080 said that, like, he goes, it's the only curse in 1:52:15.160 --> 1:52:16.680 the movie. I go, you know a lot, he goes. 1:52:16.720 --> 1:52:17.639 This movie was very. 1:52:17.600 --> 1:52:20.439 Important to people my age, Yeah, because he was like 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:22.400 ten when it came out, and he was like, I 1:52:22.479 --> 1:52:24.519 think it. He watched it a million times, Like I've 1:52:24.560 --> 1:52:26.320 seen it. I said, I've seen that movie at least 1:52:26.320 --> 1:52:28.560 a handful of times. I'm looking at pictures of you 1:52:28.760 --> 1:52:29.639 right now in the suit. 1:52:29.760 --> 1:52:30.240 Was it hot? 1:52:31.400 --> 1:52:31.519 Uh? 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:34.800 It was insane. I mean it weighed seventy pounds, oh 1:52:34.880 --> 1:52:40.040 my god. From morning to lunch break. We would all 1:52:40.160 --> 1:52:44.720 lose five pounds, oh my every day and then you know, 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:50.040 and then so probably would lose between for a full 1:52:50.160 --> 1:52:53.360 day if it was active, like five to eight pounds. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:56.519 But we would just like eat, you know, like insane eat. 1:52:57.040 --> 1:52:57.880 Went out at lunch. 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:02.000 Yeah, and they you know, they had to shoot compressed 1:53:02.040 --> 1:53:04.320 air in our faces because it just felt like your 1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:08.880 blood was boiling and they had to you know, you're 1:53:08.960 --> 1:53:11.640 suited up, you know, from the head down, and then 1:53:11.680 --> 1:53:14.040 the last part is they put the head on and 1:53:14.200 --> 1:53:20.280 they glue it and so you'res I mean, I never 1:53:20.479 --> 1:53:25.200 considered myself a claustrophobic person, but like all of a sudden, 1:53:25.280 --> 1:53:30.960 you're sealed in. Not breathing is not you know, when 1:53:31.000 --> 1:53:34.200 the mouth is closed, it's hard to breathe. You're breathing, 1:53:34.280 --> 1:53:38.679 you know, you're breathing your own co two that you're emitting, 1:53:38.960 --> 1:53:43.040 and then it starts to get hot and it's you know, 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:45.680 there were different times as we were filming where you 1:53:45.720 --> 1:53:48.479 would hear, you know, one of us going take the 1:53:48.600 --> 1:53:52.280 head off, take the head off, because like somebody would 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:55.680 just like it was so like the technology was so 1:53:55.920 --> 1:53:59.880 brand new, and so it's like it was not many. 1:54:01.640 --> 1:54:04.200 I was going to say, the Mandalorian probably has like 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:07.000 a little fan in there or something, you know, nowadays, 1:54:07.040 --> 1:54:08.240 I'm sure it. 1:54:09.640 --> 1:54:14.040 Yeah, wow, pre cgi, I was gonna say, you've worked 1:54:14.080 --> 1:54:17.560 so much, are there just any particular like sets or 1:54:17.640 --> 1:54:22.040 experiences or people that you hold near and dear like 1:54:22.240 --> 1:54:24.320 that you look back on fondly that you'd like to 1:54:24.360 --> 1:54:25.000 share with us. 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:27.240 But that is a broad question. There was just so 1:54:27.360 --> 1:54:28.719 many credits. 1:54:28.960 --> 1:54:34.280 I mean it's really like I really haven't had bad experiences, honestly, 1:54:36.240 --> 1:54:41.440 and like each one is like, you know, it's like 1:54:41.520 --> 1:54:43.680 a like a kid, you know, in a way, like 1:54:43.760 --> 1:54:45.720 you don't want to pick one of it. Like they're 1:54:45.760 --> 1:54:49.720 all just me attempting to be as present and engaged 1:54:49.800 --> 1:54:56.720 and fully embodied as as I could in the moment. No, 1:54:56.880 --> 1:54:59.320 I just I just finished the Netflix series which I 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:01.120 think will come out at some point in the spring, 1:55:01.320 --> 1:55:03.240 called A Man in Full and I was working with 1:55:03.360 --> 1:55:07.040 Jeff Daniels for about three months and that was a 1:55:07.160 --> 1:55:08.120 great experience. 1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:10.080 What's it about. 1:55:11.440 --> 1:55:17.920 It's based on a Tom Wolfe novel and he plays 1:55:17.960 --> 1:55:21.920 a guy who has a lot of power and has 1:55:22.000 --> 1:55:24.520 done things that are a little bit questionable. And it's 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:28.680 like about his starting to fall apart, and he's trying 1:55:28.800 --> 1:55:34.320 to maintain like this masculine thing and I'm like a 1:55:34.480 --> 1:55:40.160 counterpart of him, of somebody that actually is truly successful 1:55:40.600 --> 1:55:43.640 and not hasn't played as many games. And it's how 1:55:43.760 --> 1:55:47.240 he's trying to get me to save him and pull 1:55:47.320 --> 1:55:50.560 him out. But he does it in the most you know, 1:55:50.960 --> 1:55:53.440 screwed up way and there analyzes the comedy. 1:55:54.200 --> 1:55:55.040 Oh, it's a comedy. 1:55:55.960 --> 1:55:59.440 It's a dark comedy. It's a dark comedy. I mean, 1:55:59.520 --> 1:56:02.800 I actually I view everything as a comedy, everything that 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:06.320 I do, even Law and Order. That's just my lens. 1:56:07.360 --> 1:56:10.560 Even if it's the most serious thing. It's like I 1:56:10.720 --> 1:56:13.400 try to I can't help but find the comedy of it. 1:56:13.760 --> 1:56:17.760 Well, we always say old sview, not so much to 1:56:17.760 --> 1:56:20.200 the newers, but the Neil Barriers. We like to say, 1:56:20.280 --> 1:56:23.960 we're really funny. Like the Stable Years, there was like 1:56:24.120 --> 1:56:29.200 lightness to it that we really appreciate. Yeah, this was amazing. 1:56:29.360 --> 1:56:31.840 Any like little favorite moments from the set or anything 1:56:31.880 --> 1:56:33.440 that you want to say that our listeners might like 1:56:33.520 --> 1:56:36.040 before we say goodbye, or you know, I think. 1:56:36.000 --> 1:56:39.360 I've given you everything. Yeah, I'm sure. Once I'm done, 1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:43.800 I'll think of ten ten more things, you know, just 1:56:43.920 --> 1:56:46.960 at starting with the very first Law and Order when 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:49.640 I was starting out, like that was the only show 1:56:49.960 --> 1:56:52.800 in New York City other than the soap opera, and 1:56:52.960 --> 1:56:58.000 so it really was for you know, an actor starting out, 1:56:58.240 --> 1:57:01.000 it was really a life save her to be able 1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:04.040 to have a TV show in New York that I 1:57:04.080 --> 1:57:07.720 could work on pretty regularly. So I'm just so I'm 1:57:07.760 --> 1:57:11.320 so appreciative on you know, of the whole franchise, and 1:57:11.800 --> 1:57:14.760 you know, it's been a good, a good journey. 1:57:15.440 --> 1:57:18.200 Yeah, amazing, Thank you so much. 1:57:18.480 --> 1:57:19.520 You're so welcome. 1:57:23.360 --> 1:57:26.200 That was that was That was very fun. You know, 1:57:26.360 --> 1:57:27.440 I love a New York guy. 1:57:28.000 --> 1:57:31.440 I'm telling you. My husband was like psyched. He was like, 1:57:31.480 --> 1:57:34.440 you're talking to Raphael. Oh, I've been bringing it up 1:57:34.480 --> 1:57:37.000 in convo. I'm like everywhere I can. 1:57:37.360 --> 1:57:37.480 Oh. 1:57:37.520 --> 1:57:41.320 And also, Jared's gotten Rosie fully into Teenage Mutan Ninja Turtle. 1:57:41.400 --> 1:57:44.080 She watches it now and he sings the old song 1:57:44.160 --> 1:57:47.360 you know that, like that's like teenage Mutan Ninja Turtles, 1:57:47.400 --> 1:57:49.520 and Rosie sits next to him and bangs out the 1:57:49.560 --> 1:57:52.160 beat to what he's singing on a tambourine. And then 1:57:52.200 --> 1:57:54.200 at the end when it goes Heroes in a housell 1:57:54.320 --> 1:57:56.400 Turtle Power, she tries to like go no, no, no no, 1:57:56.600 --> 1:57:58.840 it's so funny to me. She's like in a one 1:57:58.920 --> 1:58:01.400 man band, like a ompanying Jared while he sings the 1:58:01.440 --> 1:58:05.320 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle theme song and it's just cute. 1:58:05.360 --> 1:58:07.120 And she was trying to convince me today that there's 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:08.760 a pink ninja turtle and I was like, there is 1:58:08.840 --> 1:58:10.760 not a pink ninja turtle. And I was like, I 1:58:10.840 --> 1:58:12.640 am arguing with a three year old, this is crazy. 1:58:12.720 --> 1:58:14.160 But then I googled it and I showed her. I 1:58:14.280 --> 1:58:20.480 was like, see orange, red, purple blue, and she was like, fine, cool. 1:58:23.440 --> 1:58:26.640 Maybe she's confusing it with the Power Rangers. I think 1:58:26.680 --> 1:58:28.600 she just thought the orange one was pink or something. 1:58:28.720 --> 1:58:31.040 She just wasn't like getting the color. Maybe she's colorblind. 1:58:31.080 --> 1:58:31.640 Who's to say. 1:58:32.560 --> 1:58:36.440 But obviously with this one so much postmortem, it like 1:58:36.640 --> 1:58:40.600 we learn so much. It's trust no one. 1:58:41.880 --> 1:58:42.480 You never know. 1:58:43.120 --> 1:58:45.200 Even people on the inside that are supposed to be 1:58:45.360 --> 1:58:48.400 like protecting and serving are committing crime. 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:50.640 I think you're all horse. You're all horse, and you 1:58:50.720 --> 1:58:53.240 all deserve anything that goes wrong in your life. So 1:58:54.160 --> 1:58:57.200 you're yeah, close your legs to married men, you dumb sluts, 1:58:57.400 --> 1:58:59.080 and we will not test your rape kits. 1:58:59.160 --> 1:58:59.920 That's what we learned. 1:59:00.920 --> 1:59:03.040 We have a long way to go for equality while 1:59:03.120 --> 1:59:05.960 constantly being gas lit that everything's okay and you should go. 1:59:05.960 --> 1:59:07.640 To the police when something bad happens too. 1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:11.840 So thank you to mrscal Hargatea for being a hero 1:59:13.160 --> 1:59:18.520 and starting the Joyful Heart Foundation. Yeah, but yeah, this 1:59:18.640 --> 1:59:22.560 one's ah, this one's infuriating. But also leave evidence behind, honey. 1:59:23.440 --> 1:59:27.880 Yeah, that little girl, she was like a classic, like 1:59:27.960 --> 1:59:30.520 the girl who learned how to like she rubbed slime 1:59:30.600 --> 1:59:32.920 on her attacker or something like glitter slime on her 1:59:32.960 --> 1:59:35.080 attacker because she like learned it on SVU. 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:37.840 And I was like love that, Like, well, yeah, because 1:59:37.880 --> 1:59:40.280 we meet mother daughter duos or grandma's even at our 1:59:40.360 --> 1:59:42.160 live shows, and they're always like, oh, I showed her 1:59:42.280 --> 1:59:44.240 SVU too young, And I'm like, is it too young? 1:59:44.360 --> 1:59:45.280 Is it ever too young? 1:59:45.840 --> 1:59:46.880 Is it ever too young? 1:59:47.360 --> 1:59:50.640 I mean this also this leads into another episode, but 1:59:50.920 --> 1:59:53.320 you know, obviously Rollins is having some issues with her 1:59:53.400 --> 1:59:59.680 boys club boss situation in this episode from Atlanta, and 2:00:00.160 --> 2:00:02.000 I don't know. That just got me thinking about like 2:00:02.160 --> 2:00:04.200 how shitty it is to be like a woman working 2:00:04.280 --> 2:00:06.560 in like like a male dominated airfield. 2:00:06.800 --> 2:00:09.640 Yeah, you're eating at a restaurant being told how to tip, 2:00:09.800 --> 2:00:14.400 like I It's like everywhere and constantly it's just like, 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:18.480 oh my god. There was a moment where people were 2:00:18.520 --> 2:00:20.720 getting out of a cab, so I stood next to 2:00:20.840 --> 2:00:24.160 it so I can get in and the girl is 2:00:24.240 --> 2:00:26.800 paying on her thing and the guy is like holding leftovers, 2:00:27.160 --> 2:00:30.400 and he goes, oh, yeah, she's just paying and she'll 2:00:30.480 --> 2:00:32.280 be out soon then you can go in. And I went, 2:00:32.400 --> 2:00:35.480 I know how a cab works, and he goes, wait, 2:00:35.560 --> 2:00:37.960 I was just trying to be nice. I go, okay, 2:00:38.720 --> 2:00:40.840 but why are you explaining to me how cabs work? 2:00:41.000 --> 2:00:43.120 Like I don't even think they can fucking help it, 2:00:43.280 --> 2:00:47.320 Like I just it's they just view us as fucking idiots. 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:49.320 I should have told that girl break up with this guy. 2:00:49.360 --> 2:00:51.200 You're paying for this and he doesn't believe that you 2:00:51.240 --> 2:00:55.640 know how to cabs work, Like your girlfriend's paying for this, 2:00:55.960 --> 2:00:58.280 you can't even afford to pay for this cab? Like 2:00:58.480 --> 2:01:00.440 what are you? How are you telling me how it works? 2:01:00.840 --> 2:01:03.919 Obviously what Amanda Rollins went through in Atlanta is much worse. 2:01:05.360 --> 2:01:08.040 Which we don't know yet technically from this episode, but 2:01:08.200 --> 2:01:10.600 you can tell that, like, I don't know, I don't. 2:01:10.640 --> 2:01:13.120 I hated the way, like even that guy was like, oh, 2:01:13.320 --> 2:01:16.440 you're like the guy that was down there, and they 2:01:16.480 --> 2:01:18.640 were just like fucking with her, not testing the kids 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:21.080 and then testing them and pulling the files and making 2:01:21.160 --> 2:01:22.880 her search Like I don't know. 2:01:22.960 --> 2:01:26.400 This kind of playing games with true victims. Yeah, but 2:01:26.520 --> 2:01:30.000 all had similar moms. It's just like the lazy It's so, 2:01:30.760 --> 2:01:32.840 you know, because this show is such cop Ganda, and 2:01:32.880 --> 2:01:35.280 that's what people say, but it's like, no, these episodes 2:01:35.400 --> 2:01:39.120 that they do are so important and so telling about 2:01:39.360 --> 2:01:42.480 because Dick Wolf loves police. So the fact that we're 2:01:42.520 --> 2:01:44.480 able to do this, like they are able to do 2:01:44.560 --> 2:01:46.800 these kinds of a right where the cops are yeah, 2:01:46.880 --> 2:01:47.440 says a lot. 2:01:48.360 --> 2:01:53.960 Yeah, I mean listen, I also think we all have 2:01:54.160 --> 2:01:56.120 to I mean, I don't know, not we like you, 2:01:56.440 --> 2:01:58.760 but like as a society, yeah, we have to stop 2:01:58.880 --> 2:02:01.680 like doing the Madonna and the whore like sectioning off 2:02:01.720 --> 2:02:04.640 of women, like everybody contains multitudes. We have to be 2:02:04.720 --> 2:02:08.520 sex positive like, and all victims deserve justice. Like so 2:02:09.120 --> 2:02:11.919 it's uh, just another reminder. 2:02:13.200 --> 2:02:16.480 Also, if you're a teen, can you please yeah, do 2:02:16.680 --> 2:02:18.480 not try to fuck your mom's boyfriend. 2:02:18.560 --> 2:02:19.440 No, he's the predator. 2:02:19.520 --> 2:02:24.280 But it's like, girl, if someone is dating your mom, 2:02:24.920 --> 2:02:27.760 they're not good if they want to date you too. Yeah, 2:02:28.080 --> 2:02:30.400 and why the fact that she tried to also help 2:02:30.480 --> 2:02:32.960 him run. I hope they do charge her with something. 2:02:33.440 --> 2:02:34.480 She goes to juice. 2:02:35.040 --> 2:02:42.240 They won't. Nah, she was a victim. But let's jump 2:02:42.240 --> 2:02:45.200 into the baby. I do like the way he said that, though. 2:02:47.120 --> 2:02:49.200 Let's get into our what would Sister peg new segment 2:02:49.480 --> 2:02:53.760 WWSPD Baby. 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