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Speaker 2: Into the uptop for the touchdown. Hollywood Crowns been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty

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Speaker 2: right there.

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Speaker 1: Right The latest news and notes from the insiders who

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Speaker 1: cover the teams.

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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling.

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Speaker 3: Break it on, break it on.

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Speaker 2: Swim to the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 2: Just think Danny Sirek and Darren Ruman were right there

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Speaker 2: for the genesis of the big trade that commanded all

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Speaker 2: the headline on Draft night twenty twenty three, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure the two of you even realized it until

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Speaker 2: less than an hour ago. It is Cardinals Underground. It

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Speaker 2: is poly podcast teeing up. Darren Urban and Danny Serek.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Danny, me and you. Later, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: come up with a new fashion item that we're gonna

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Speaker 2: market on TikTok. We're gonna make billions because what we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do is we're gonna construct a sweatshirt that you

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Speaker 2: put on like a straight jacket, because that's the way

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Speaker 2: you always wear your your sweatshirt because you're cold with

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Speaker 2: all the extreme ac I'm telling you, I think that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a big seller, Darren, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: I'm just over here eating my cupcake there, Paul, I

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Speaker 3: see it's the deal.

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Speaker 4: For some reason, the two of you, along with Craig

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Speaker 4: really think that it is the funniest thing the way

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Speaker 4: that I wear my sweatshirt on the office, because sometimes

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Speaker 4: whether it is like my hair or not wanting to

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Speaker 4: mess up my makeup or my earrings getting caught, whatever

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Speaker 4: it is, sometimes you just don't feel like putting the

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Speaker 4: sweatshirt on all the way over your head. And so

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Speaker 4: I was street check my arms through the and I'll

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Speaker 4: just let the rest of it hang in the front.

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Speaker 4: And it's kind of like I'm too cold in the

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Speaker 4: studio right now to not wear anything, but I would

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Speaker 4: So this is my compromise.

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Speaker 2: Isn't there a piece of equipment that NFL players where

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Speaker 2: it's basically a full length like forearm sleeve that comes

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Speaker 2: up like mid bicep, Because that's basically what you're covering

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Speaker 2: up right now with the sweatshirt. You should go over

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Speaker 2: the equipment room, forget the helmets, the shoulder pads, and

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Speaker 2: he just grabs some of those long sleeves that you

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Speaker 2: put up and down your arms. That's basically what you're

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Speaker 4: Not a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you guys were at the combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: According to mantiausin for it, that's where all these conversations started.

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Speaker 2: What he told Dave Pash on the podcast earlier today,

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Speaker 2: other gms, and he said something along lines of, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we are going to be picking

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Speaker 2: where some of the conversations started. Then obviously they picked

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Speaker 2: According to Monte asin Forth, that's where they really started

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Speaker 2: get concrete. That was the word he used, because when

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Speaker 2: and he had some basic building blocks of a blockbuster

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Speaker 3: I mean you better. I don't understand how you get

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Speaker 3: quite frankly, almost any trades done straight on the clock,

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Speaker 2: Think, Danny, what's your initial reaction to what the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what I like. The Cardinals had too many

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Speaker 4: I like that because you're not only addressing the needs

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Speaker 4: because the Cardinals have so many areas they need to

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Speaker 4: just planning for right now, but also thinking about what

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Speaker 4: Talking about this year's draft, I do like the moves

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Speaker 4: said that before. I know those aren't like sexy picks,

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Speaker 4: the other positions that they attacked as well throughout the draft.

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Speaker 4: I know that as you get further down the draft,

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Speaker 4: it's less likely those players will come in and immediately

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: That's not to say they can't carve themselves a rollout

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Speaker 2: You know, the Cardinal Draft party. I was semi surprised

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Speaker 2: isn't always necessarily the fan favorite, but I think they

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Speaker 2: recognized and if you were following football last year in

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Speaker 3: The people out at the draft party were not the

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Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of Twitter, how about I think

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Speaker 2: it was pro football focused some branch thereof that tweeted

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Speaker 2: out the sort of analytic valuation or value chart of

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Speaker 2: what the Cardinals got. And then the one line on

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Speaker 2: the tweet was insane how the Cardinals have overtaken the

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Speaker 2: And I obviously got a draft haul from Carolina to

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that absolutely makes you bullish on the future.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, speaking to the red seats, something

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Speaker 2: has a mock draft twenty twenty four out and they

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Speaker 2: already have the Cardinals drafting first and.

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Speaker 4: Second taking a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I'd imagine Caleb Williams one, Marvin Harrison Junior two. That

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Speaker 2: That's what happens, you know, for I mean, at the

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Speaker 2: I should You guys stared talking. I'm gonna call like

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Speaker 2: it brought here on Olmes's behalf.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say the Monti haul joke. I recognize

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Speaker 4: But to me, let's make a deal. As Wayne Brady,

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Speaker 4: Like if I hadn't seen that picture, I would not

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Speaker 2: See, I would still go, even though I was around

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals. They did a tweet like that for the

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Speaker 3: The problem is deal with no deal. That that wasn't

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Speaker 2: No, I get it, I get it. It's very well done.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like you're feeling it's very well done,

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Speaker 3: Paul feel I feel like you're kind of well.

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Speaker 2: A little bit later, I'm going to tell you, and

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Speaker 2: this is gonna be my analogy. And so if you

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you my analogy how drafting a

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Speaker 2: blowback from the two of you. But as for Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Gannon speaking it into existence, toy not say in the

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Speaker 2: pre draft press comp ferends quote, I cannot wait to

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Speaker 2: see MONI work the phones on Thursday night. He did

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Speaker 2: was the trade off the top of round two, which

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Speaker 2: was interesting because we had talked about this. If Joey

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals have traded out, show a hands on that one, Darren.

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Speaker 2: You most definitely think they probably would have traded out.

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Speaker 3: I believe they were looking to trade kap.

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Speaker 2: And when they did, that's where they were able to

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to say, throughout that weekend and now,

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Speaker 4: up with what trade the Cardinals had made most recently,

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Speaker 4: what picks that got them where they were at in

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Speaker 4: each round. It was it was a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there was the whole prediction by Ian Rapaport

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna call you on go ahead.

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Speaker 3: They were unpredictable in maybe exactly where they were gonna pick,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how unpredictable they really were.

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Speaker 2: Well, if everybody was saying that Texans were gonna, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, somehow not take a quarterback, maybe me make

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Speaker 2: Will Levis, you know their pick there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know there was a few Wayne Wayne Levis.

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Speaker 3: You know Will Levis.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you couldn't help. But notice that not

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Speaker 2: long after the first round of the draft, the whole

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Speaker 3: No sales Associate twelve forty or whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: What's amazing is that reddit post actually altered betting lines

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Speaker 3: You know what that means? No, don't ever freaking.

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Speaker 2: Bet just yet another reason. Yeah, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: So look there was that. In terms of other no comprendos. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. The Niners took a kicker on Day two.

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Speaker 2: Still don't really follow that one. Once again, Cardinals did

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Speaker 2: like I was advocating for. So that that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: What else? What else were some of the takeaways?

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Speaker 3: Took a punter and a kicker, right.

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Speaker 2: Did they?

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Speaker 4: It did?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. I actually did not see that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was later on in the draft, and look.

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Speaker 2: I have some quibbles with this draft. You want to

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go. There's no defensive tackle nowhere

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Speaker 2: they get to get the kid out of West Virginia Stills. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you know that's the cornerbacks. They took another position

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Speaker 2: they fit the JG personality in the style, and that's

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Speaker 2: his area of expertise, the defensive backfield. You get it.

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Speaker 3: You have some concerns about cornerback, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I do. Oh absolutely. By the way, ask me

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Speaker 2: I think I have an inkling as to who to

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Speaker 3: Well, is it the tight end?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's my thing about your quibbles, Paul.

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Speaker 2: And I wasn't done by the way we can address these.

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Speaker 4: I understand that there there was and still is a

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Speaker 4: need on that defensive line, absolutely, but with the picks

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Speaker 4: And I'm not to say that one position is less

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Speaker 4: don't know their board right. Maybe maybe there weren't D

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Speaker 4: those players. I do think it's interesting with cornerback and

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Speaker 4: of air with cornerback. But I don't feel like I

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Speaker 4: because it's not like they were addressing areas of need

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Speaker 2: And to your point, the Cowboys, for example, late in

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Speaker 2: they went after o Jalai.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I think again, I would go with did

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Speaker 3: they get everything they needed?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Did they take stuff they didn't need? I don't think so,

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Speaker 3: do you? No?

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Speaker 2: I agree there were enough needs that they were shopping

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Speaker 4: You took gives you sighe well.

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Speaker 3: And you still no matter what, and I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 3: had a lot of people upset about the quarterback. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but there's people besides Clayton Tune. Obviously he's first on

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Speaker 3: he's got a chance. There's some analytics that says he's

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Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with that, because I think

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Speaker 4: at some point if you have a quarterback you like.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with using a draft pick

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Speaker 4: not a starter, right, Not everyone's going to be a

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Speaker 4: for you, don't. I don't have a problem with taking

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Speaker 3: Or if he develops really well, you know, you do

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Speaker 3: Clayton Tune turns out to be pretty good and you

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, I'm all about the quarterback. No problem with that, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So what do you say? So? I mean, and by

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Speaker 2: the way, on the Clayton Tune couple of things, I

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Speaker 2: scouts say, no, he absolutely does. I mean, there's this

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Speaker 3: All right, How does that even happen? Can we sidebar

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Speaker 3: on this? How does that even happen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I really do have some confounding. I mean, you either

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's why I'm really curious. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: he had the best passing grade in all of college football,

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Speaker 2: all you get this intriguing thing, right, I mean you

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Speaker 2: I'm the best QB in this class. So he's gonna

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Speaker 3: And true, and he seems like it.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget he's gonna get us through the preseason

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Speaker 4: In the second half of preseason games.

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait wait, I feel that was incredibly

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Speaker 3: selfish when you say watch these preseason games. Don't you

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Speaker 3: mean call these preseason games, Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Listen to these preseason games specifically. You're absolutely right. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing better than a quarterback controversy in camp, even

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Speaker 2: if it's for the backup quarterback spot. And you don't

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Speaker 2: what the status is. A Colt McCoy who had the

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Speaker 2: that mean? We don't know? And then you add his

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Speaker 3: Info tunes quarterback coach.

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Speaker 2: Not right, I'm sorry, Clayton Tunes, you know. And then

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Speaker 2: So now the juxtaposition of who's going to be the

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Speaker 4: Can we say the fun fact for anyone who might

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Speaker 4: So this is bonkers to me.

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Speaker 3: Where did you put that out? Again? What was?

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Speaker 4: breaking news and more day. So, Clayton Tune's great great uncle,

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Speaker 4: Jim Lawrence, was the Cardinal's first ever draft pick in

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is true. They ended up confirming it.

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Speaker 4: just crazy the odds that Clayton Tune, who is now

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Speaker 2: That is a certified mind blow. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: That is crazy stuff. And by the way, there were

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Speaker 2: So Clayton Tune, he started games all five years at Houston,

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Speaker 2: you go. That's intriguing. Now back to my quibbles. Where

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Speaker 2: He's a different sort.

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Speaker 2: You also had Joe Tipman, who was the center for Wisconsin,

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Speaker 4: an edge that would really have a chance of coming

438
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 4: in and maybe finding a way to be a starter.

439
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 4: You would have preferred the Cardinals to take an offensive

440
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 4: lineman with their first two pairs.

441
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: So you're already concerned about cornerback, and then you also

442
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 3: want to make sure there's.

443
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 4: No pass for You're just going to beef up the

444
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: offense and let the defense figure it out.

445
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 2: Okay, this is double barrel here I'm getting from.

446
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to make sure that we are understanding

447
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 4: your quib.

448
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: Say that am I on the second round pick because

449
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 2: you left some value on the board.

450
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 3: Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

451
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: You don't know that, and I guess I get my

452
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 2: eye on all three players.

453
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: Let's just that way when you say you left value

454
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: on the board. They left Paul Calvic value on the board,

455
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: but we don't know how they had right.

456
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting is.

457
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 3: Obviously they had him length ranked lower than Oji.

458
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: Less than two hours ago. Nick Rawless, the Cardinal's new

459
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, said he loved bj Ojalai against the run. Well,

460
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 2: if you look at his scatter reports, the negative and

461
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: almost every scout report is he's a liability against the run,

462
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 2: and that's why he dropped out a round one. So

463
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: once again who's right on this stuff. I don't know.

464
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to see it and you'll probably find

465
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 2: out in camp. Can he hold a point or not?

466
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna know right away. So this is the intriguing

467
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 2: stuff that leads to, you know, a hit rate of

468
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: like fifty percent if you're lucky as a team on

469
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: your draft class every single year.

470
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 3: I mean I get the center thing. I completely one

471
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: understand it, and I understand the people that are concerned

472
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: about that. And trust me, I went through a lot

473
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: of it with the kid from uh Luke Whippler. Yep,

474
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: they who they passed on like three times and people

475
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 3: got mad about that.

476
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: He went like late round six or something.

477
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 3: All that tells me is they didn't have him ranked

478
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: very high. You know, it was EEno Benjamin all over again.

479
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: Why are you taking an emo because we don't want EEno?

480
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: Right?

481
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 3: You know? And it's I don't I don't understand why

482
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 3: that's so hard.

483
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: To I just you know, just laughing the way that

484
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 4: everything panned out with that situation.

485
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: That's why I just whipper stuff.

486
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: No. Oh yeah, And look there's plenty to like on

487
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: b Joe Jaalari. I mean he was first team all

488
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: SEC Since twenty twenty, he had one hundred and twenty

489
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: six QB pressure, second only to will Anderson. So there's

490
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff to like. The athleticism, suppose

491
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 2: he has a really good motor. They some of these

492
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: sky reports say it plays with more legage than you'd think. Okay,

493
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see, We'll see what happens out there.

494
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: I'm just just throwing those out there now. As for

495
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: the two cornerbacks, once again, both are five ten, so okay,

496
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: but if they can play, you can play. And Garrett Williams,

497
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: from a lot of accounts, if he wouldn't have torn

498
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: his ACL in October after eight games for Syracuse, might

499
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: have actually been a Day one pick threatened to be

500
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: the end of round one. So maybe if they were

501
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: willing to wait and we'll see if there's a realistic

502
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: expectation if him being good to go by August. If not,

503
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna be patient with it, as you know what's

504
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: gonna happen with the rest of the cornerback room. That's

505
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: why when you look at the list of undrafted free agents,

506
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: the ten free agents, rookie free agents who were signed,

507
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: my intel is that the corner out of Georgia State,

508
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: Quabian White. Now he's only five eight.

509
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: Seven, So that's the when I saw five eight I'm like, apparently, how.

510
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 4: Does that I mean five aded or does that mean

511
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 4: like five six percent point?

512
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. Michael Adams all over again, I don't know,

513
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: but you know he played forty games in five years,

514
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: and I'm told he can play and you'll have a legit.

515
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. These guys, a lot of these guys

516
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: are gonna have a legitimate shot at this roster.

517
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: This is correct.

518
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: You know, the defensive lineman, because the Cardinals didn't invest

519
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: a lot in the defensive line in this draft and

520
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: or in free agency. The Michigan State kit Jacob Slade

521
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: sixty three two ninety three started twenty six games in

522
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: Michigan State. My understanding is he's gonna have a realistic

523
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: shot and making this team. And I get and I

524
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: guess he got pretty significant money as well from the

525
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: Cardinals because that was definitely in need. And then it's

526
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: hard not to notice the ASU guy, Kyle Soley, the

527
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: three time team captain. Last year. You know, I had

528
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: six games in a row of ten plus tackles and

529
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: he's got fifty three games under his belt as an

530
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: ASU middle linebacker, and he's gonna look was Zavin Collins

531
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: moving to the edge?

532
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: Maybe? Probably nobody's confirming this, Paul.

533
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: What give me your best guess as to how the

534
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: inside linebacker position stacks up? Name some names and some

535
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: positions right now? Is he your mike because he historically

536
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: has been your will?

537
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: Maybe he's your will. I don't know who your MIC's

538
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: gonna be. I'm not one hundred percent sure Zavon Collins

539
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: isn't playing inside either.

540
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 4: Now this feels like just a continuation of I feel

541
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 4: like I feel like you know.

542
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: And we just came off the press conference. And by

543
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: the way, you were mentioning Jacob Slade, he got two

544
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars guaranteed, which is a pretty large chunk

545
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: of guaranteed money for an onion.

546
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: Pretty good.

547
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 3: We just got off the press conference with Nick Rallis

548
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: and Drew Pettsing and Jonathan Gannon, and one of the

549
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: things they were talking about was their linebackers and wanting

550
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: guys to go side to side. Who knows, maybe Simmons

551
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 3: is there with Kayzer White.

552
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: You maybe maybe because if there's one. You know, look,

553
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: you're the ASU guy, Darren. But if there's one drawback

554
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: on Kyle solely, it's that maybe he doesn't quite have

555
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: that sideline to sideline speed, which is probably ultimately why

556
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: he wasn't drafted.

557
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean again, that's the I asked the question

558
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: of Owen Papo in the in the press conference of Okay,

559
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 3: he's a team captain, he's highly intelligent, he is his

560
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: Twitter handle is the freak and there's a reason for it.

561
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: He's doing twenty nine reps on the bench and running

562
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: a four to three to nine.

563
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Why is fort foine?

564
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 3: No?

565
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: I think it was four three three nine, yep three nine,

566
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: which by the way, second fastest by a linebacker since

567
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: two thousand and three with Isaiah Simmons.

568
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: But he goes in the fifth round. So and he

569
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: was their second pick of the fifth round, So like,

570
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: what is that?

571
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: He's six foot two twenty five.

572
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: I mean again, that's that's about where they like size wise,

573
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: So what is he not doing to get drafted Earlier?

574
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: He had the second highest overall athleticism score among linebackers

575
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: in this draft class. So but once again, he projects

576
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: because of his size and his weight, he projects more

577
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: will right, So, okay, does he compete with Isaiah Simmons.

578
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: Do they have other plans for Isaiah Simmons. I don't know.

579
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: Forty one starts at Auburn. He has experience to your point,

580
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: he has football IQ.

581
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean there's so much up in the air because

582
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: you don't know. I mean, all things being equal with

583
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: where this team is, they're gonna go young, and they're

584
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: gonna go They're not gonna care. They don't have any

585
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: ties to the guys that we're already here. And every

586
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: year we see guys not play or get cut when

587
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: there is a new coaching staff. It always always happens.

588
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: It's not always as dramatic as Pete Kendell getting cut.

589
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: Right, And look as far as Owen Papo goes as

590
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: a rookie, I could see him in a nickel or

591
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: dime package. He can run, he can cover, so he

592
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: comes out and you know, maybe they put him on

593
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: the running back or they put him on a smaller

594
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: tight end. You know, I don't know. We'll see how that.

595
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: What we do know is and it was confirmed to

596
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: the press armit's Isaiah Simmons. His fifth year option was

597
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: not picked up, and so what that would have meant

598
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: was a guaranteed salary of twelve point seven million plus

599
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four. Cardinals did not pick that up.

600
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: We talked about this on the Red Sea Report. To me,

601
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: there's just too much uncertainty. He's like the NFL, the

602
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: NFL player version of the ink blot test. You look

603
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: at Isaiah Simmons, you're like, what do you see? What

604
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: do you see, Paul?

605
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 4: That might have been one of your better metaphors.

606
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: Do you see a will linebacker? Do you see an

607
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: edge guy? Do you see a slot corner where he

608
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: played the majority of his snaps last year? Danny, I mean,

609
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: answer the question, Danny, don't avoid it. What do you

610
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: see in Isaiah Simmons? Do it question? Look into the

611
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: crystal football and tell us, well.

612
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: It's interesting if you're going based off that, you think

613
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: he'd play more slock corner. And the way that we

614
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: were hearing defensive coordinator Nick Rawles talking the press conference

615
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: on Tuesday was that it kind of seems like maybe

616
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: zaven Call might be like the new Isaiah Simmons in

617
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 4: the sense of being a hybrid and kind of moving

618
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: all around. And I don't know that you do that

619
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: with two players on the defense. I would think maybe

620
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: you would keep someone like in Isaiah Simmons. If that's

621
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: the case, maybe more in one area. It makes sense

622
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: to me why you would not pick up his fifth option.

623
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: For what Darren was just talking about, you have a

624
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: new front office, you have a new coaching staff. And

625
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: it was Jonathan Gannon who talked about in the press conference,

626
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: you know, Isaiah Simmons has to play well, not just

627
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: for himself, but also for the team.

628
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think some of what is

629
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: being talked about right now, I'd like to see exactly

630
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: what that means. We all have this idea of Isaiah

631
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: Simmons playing around all over the place type thing, and

632
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: there's a realistic thing to that, because he was playing slot,

633
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: and he was playing some linebacker, and he was playing

634
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: some safety. And then I hear Nick Rollis talk about

635
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: moving guys around, and I don't know if it's quite

636
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: the same thing. I mean, every defensive player moves around

637
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: to a certain extent. I mean Aaron Donald moves aroun

638
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: but he doesn't move like that. He moves to different

639
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: parts of the line.

640
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: But Ross also said it's part of that explanation to

641
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: the media just a little while ago that you need

642
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: to get really good at one thing and then move

643
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: on to the next thing, true, which I thought was

644
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: intriguing because are they pairing down what's on his plate?

645
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: Well?

646
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: Are they picking one thing to focus on.

647
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: One of the things I've heard about this defense is

648
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: it's not as complicated as the previous defense in the

649
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: first place. So if that's true, you know, you might

650
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: not have had to pair down, it might already be there.

651
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: And again, it's gonna be fascinating how this all gets

652
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: deployed and exactly what we see. I mean for me

653
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: to me, the preseason games will be really fascinating. Do

654
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: you play everybody? It's a brand new defense? Are you

655
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: really not going to put guys in games at all

656
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: until it counts in a defense? And are an offense

657
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: that nobody's really done?

658
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: And the way he's talked about it, he has confidence

659
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: and not playing a lot of guys in the preseason.

660
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: But we've seen some disastrous results when you have not

661
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: played some of your regulars in preseason games.

662
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: So I e.

663
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: The Cardinals to start last season, yep.

664
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: So and look, then there was the Steve Wilts here

665
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: where they did play a lot in the preseason. They

666
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: look great in the preseason end up being a false

667
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: positive and being, this is true, an inaccurate indicator of

668
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: what was to come. Look, I'll say this much though

669
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: to your earlier point, to go back two points ago,

670
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: I do believe there will be less on the plates

671
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: of every single player on both sides of the ball.

672
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: I do based on some of what I've heard. For example,

673
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: Zamon Collins had way too much on his played a

674
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: year ago as a first year middle linebacker calling the

675
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: defense a guy who sat mostly behind Jordan Hicks the

676
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: year before, even some comments to start the offseason about

677
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray and just everything he had to think about

678
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: and decide on the fly when he was either in

679
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: the gun or every once in a while under center.

680
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 2: I think they're going to remove a lot of that

681
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: off some of the point people on either side of

682
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: the ball, the quarterback of the offense and the quarterback

683
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: of the defense. Now, whether Zamon Collins is that guy

684
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: in defense, I think that remains to be seen. On

685
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: my guesses as of right now. Right here, it's Kaisier White,

686
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: just because of his familiarity probably, and there's no reason

687
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: why even if he's a wool linebacker he couldn't call

688
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: the defense. As long as he's in the front seven,

689
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 2: that's still feasible and doable. So going back to Isaiah Simmons,

690
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: he is scheduled to be a free agent after this

691
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: coming season. Doesn't mean they can't do a contract extension

692
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: right correct, doesn't mean they can't use a franchise tag.

693
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: They ultimately aside he has some bust out season this

694
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 2: year and they can't come to terms, you do have

695
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: the option of the tag.

696
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: I know everybody's afraid of another Hassan Radic situation, but

697
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: you're also talking about a different coaching staff and a

698
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: different general manager making these decisions. That's part of it.

699
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: And if you go back and look at the Hassan

700
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: Redick stuff, I mean, he wasn't happy with how his

701
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: career played out here, which is one of the reasons

702
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: he left. But it's when Hassan Reddick originally left as

703
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: a free agent, he didn't get paid. He got like

704
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: seven million dollars from Carolina for one year. That's it. Yep,

705
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: it's true, and he I'm sure they would have brought

706
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: him back here for that, but at that point he

707
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: didn't want to do it because when when at first

708
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: they thought, Okay, he's going to go get the bag

709
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: and we're not going to be able to afford it.

710
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: And by the time he realized he wasn't going to

711
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: get the bag, they had moved on here. So, I mean,

712
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: it's it's not like Hassan Reddick went and got he

713
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: got paid after Carolina and he's proved, he's proved everybody

714
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: right he has.

715
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: But let's just throw this out there as well. His

716
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: last year were the Cardinals. He was still opposite Chandler Jones,

717
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: so there was a lot of people wondering. And even

718
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: though Chandler had an injury plague season.

719
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: He didn't play. The reason Hassan Reddicks started playing a

720
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: bunch was because Chandler got hurt.

721
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: That's right, thought's right, it was weak, that's rights. Weeks, yes,

722
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: in New York, in New York, the Jets, the bicycle.

723
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: Twenty years, that's right, okay, And so Hassan Reddick got

724
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: his chance. Which if Chandler Jones doesn't get hurt, Hassan

725
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: Reddick doesn't have that kind of year, then then everybody'd

726
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: been like why would you have guaranteed him ten million dollars?

727
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: Then the other game in New York he had the

728
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: five secon game against Daniel Jones. Yes, so that obviously

729
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: inflated the numbers. Yes, but now look at what defense

730
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: he's on as well, look at how loaded the Eagles

731
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: can be.

732
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: But that's that's everything too, you know, I get it.

733
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: Look, the real mistake with the son Reddick, and we'll

734
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: never bring this up again, was just the fact that

735
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: you try to put a square peg into a round

736
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: hole for three years. He should have been moved to

737
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: the edge.

738
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: And that's what people are afraid of with Isaiah.

739
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Now.

740
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: The difference is everybody knew, okay, if you don't play

741
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: Hassan Reddick as inside linebacker, you make him an edge rusher.

742
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: Nobody can really decide. I even the people that say, yeah,

743
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: you're not using Isaiah right, I don't. I don't get

744
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: it from fans, from the people I talked to, Nobody

745
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: can come up with, well, he definitely should be a safety,

746
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: or he definitely should be a slot corner, or he

747
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: definitely should be an airdresser. Everybody, there's all people that

748
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: say those things, like there'll be examples of all those,

749
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: but there's not a group that says, oh, yeah, he

750
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: should be at this spot.

751
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: That's what makes it so intriguing. When he's eventually on

752
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: the field, where will he be? It's the ink blot

753
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: test again, Danny. Okay, his middle name is Rarshack. Is

754
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: that correct? By the way, that pretty good? You know.

755
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: The guy we haven't mentioned was round four pick out

756
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: of UCLA, John Gaines, who.

757
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: Has there's your center, Paul May.

758
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: He had an elite athleticism score there, Darren, as you know,

759
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: of ninety six. This was based on all the combine

760
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: and uh you know it's forty and his vertical and

761
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: all ranked in the top ten of interior alignments since

762
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, including the fastest short shuttle of anyone.

763
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: And you know what happens when you have a fast

764
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: short shuttle, Paul.

765
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: That's right for an offensive lineman. Who needs it's the

766
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: forty on an offensive lineman. Just give me the five

767
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: and ten yards, so you kidding me? Give me the

768
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: three cone. He played in forty five games, he started thirty.

769
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: He's sharp apparently, you know, mentally he's got the football

770
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: IQ and beyond, So.

771
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: Aren't the position's right guard, center, right tackle? Is that

772
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: right off the top of my hair?

773
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: It is? I have it right here. I don't know

774
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: this off time I head, it's in my notes. In

775
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one he started at center, right guard, and

776
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: right tackle, and then last year he played left guard

777
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: and center, and they also played some center at the

778
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: East West game. No, that was and then and then

779
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, all of last year was right guard. Only

780
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: thirteen games. So yeah, it was over a three year

781
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: starting span, he basically played everywhere.

782
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 4: So I like that. Again, the versatility, the quick feet.

783
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure that he would come in and

784
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: be your starting center. I know that we're excited about center.

785
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: That to me is maybe more depth for a position there.

786
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: But I like that. It's not just versatility of oh

787
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: he can play wherever. It's it's the offensive lineman they're

788
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: taking with versatility, have played multiple times in multiple positions.

789
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: What if Lasitas Smith was your center? Well, although Jonathan

790
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: Gannon mentioned uh fro Holt in his press conference that

791
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: he's done a nice job so far, you know, with

792
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: no helmets on and no defense.

793
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 2: But at least yelda Froholt as NFL experience, he's seen

794
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, as five six years worth of seene NFL

795
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: fronts and being able to recognize.

796
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: But the only center he's played was basically because of

797
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: the Browns had their top four centers get hurt and

798
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 3: then he was forced to play there.

799
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: Now, based on what we saw Lisitas the end of

800
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: last season, he's gonna make to need to make that

801
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: big jump from year one to year two. I'm just

802
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: gonna put it out. So does he have just you know,

803
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: throwing things out there. I mean, look, we honestly don't know.

804
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: And for a team that had ten different starting offensive

805
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: line combinations a year ago, you know, the possibilities are endless,

806
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: including and there's there's a large faction of people who

807
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: still think there is a signing to come. I mean, guys,

808
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: don't you think that beat now in the start of

809
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: training camp. You're gonna have to sign a veteran center.

810
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to sign at least one veteran defense alignment.

811
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to sign a veteran corner. There are

812
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: guys on the street right now with NFL experience that

813
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: you need and I figure will get a significant amount

814
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: of playing time this season.

815
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: Those are probably the three positions. I could see that

816
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: happening the most. There are other positions, whether that's this

817
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: year and trying to find depth or something that's gonna

818
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: be talked about more next year. I think safety is

819
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: currently going under the radar of a position that you

820
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: might have your starters right now, assuming which we all

821
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: do at the moment that Buddha Baker will be here

822
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: come fall him and Jalen Thompson. I still think that

823
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: is a position where it's not so much a need

824
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: to get somebody who can come in and play right away,

825
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: but a position where it's important to start adding depth

826
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: wide receivers probably another position where if you're trying to

827
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: look at tight end, But I agree if you're gonna

828
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: start looking for a veteran to bring in, I would

829
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: agree you'd have to focus on center fen to tackle,

830
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: and maybe still still look for another cornerback to bring

831
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: into the room. That those would probably be the three.

832
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 4: I would agree with you on that, Paul. I'm not

833
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 4: sure that putting tight end as high on that list

834
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 4: would make sense.

835
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: By the way, time, when you.

836
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: Have Blake Whiteheart, I.

837
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 4: Was just gonna this is not the time for jokes, Darren.

838
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: No, they've got Blake Whiteheart.

839
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: Supposedly, this guy has skills. I mean, you know, he

840
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: played in fifty games at wake four, so you know

841
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: he's a pretty natural pass catcher. The guy that's intriguing,

842
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: I think they might have the better shot of actually

843
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: making the final roster is the other tight end out

844
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: of Michigan, a former offensive lineman who moved a tight

845
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: end during his Michigan career. He checks in at six four,

846
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: two fifty nine.

847
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: And he's got what no catches?

848
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: One? Joel Huntingford is the name hunting.

849
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: I think he's got like one catch.

850
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: Yes, So a blocking tight end, blocking tight end. So which,

851
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 2: by the way, where's Wolf, because you know he owes

852
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: me lunch? Because Wolf's telling me that they were going

853
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: to draft a blocking tight end. I said, there's no

854
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: need to draft a blocking tight end. They're not. They'll

855
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: be there at the end of the draft. Sure enough,

856
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: Cardinals got one of the top. Like, so that's your guy,

857
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: that's the guy you're here's the guys. There's only ten

858
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: of them. There's four guys four out of ten that's

859
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: not in this order, in this order. No Quavian White

860
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: number one, Jacobs number two. The positions Mari d Marcato

861
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: the running back number three, and then Kyle Solely number four,

862
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: and then you can choose whichever tight end you want

863
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: number one.

864
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: So half five of them.

865
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: That's my power pole of undrafted rookie free agents.

866
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean I don't disagree. Well, I haven't seen any

867
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 3: of these guys. I I I do think any cornerback

868
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 3: at this point, I think that's wide open. But again,

869
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: you do pause when a guy's five eight. Now that

870
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: you all due respect to Michael Adams, I mean you

871
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: you better be really, really really good, especially on special teams.

872
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: You better be Steve Smith the corners, and I.

873
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: Wonder a little bit about him, I mean because you

874
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 3: think about who they have right now. I mean, does

875
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: Christian Matthew make the team over a guy like that?

876
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: Yes, just based on the size, I would believe. But

877
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: but you're right, he has no pedigree or standing with

878
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: the current decision makers.

879
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: So you know, I'd be disappointed of Christian Matthew couldn't

880
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: beat out a five acre.

881
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he can't, I mean it's six two, I

882
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: mean he better beat out.

883
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: And how tall is key troll Clark five to ten?

884
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: Charle Clark is the other one we haven't really covered

885
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: as of Yeah.

886
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. If I don't know, if I want

887
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: to five eight and five ten.

888
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: Five ten, it can be as tall as you, Darren.

889
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: But but he ran a four four to two forty truck.

890
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: Clark Key Troll. Clark started all twelve games last year

891
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, though he had a torn acl. He

892
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: has a connection to the Cardinals corners coach Ryan Smith,

893
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: who tried to recruit my high school years ago.

894
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: So with your your fine powerpole of half the freaking

895
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: undrafted guys, are you counting it if they make the

896
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: practice squad, the sixteen man practice squad, that shouldn't count.

897
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, not really, No, can you go through the

898
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: list one more time?

899
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: Sorry?

900
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: Which list are we talking about?

901
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 4: Lists?

902
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 2: Your four public rookie free agents. Number one Quavean White

903
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: the corner. Number two Jacob Slade, the defensive lineman out

904
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: of Michigan State sixty three two ninety three twenty six starts.

905
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: Number three a Mari de Marcado out of TCU, a

906
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: smaller but scatback type running back. Number four the ASCU

907
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: linebacker Kyle Solely, three time team captain for the Devils,

908
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: and then number five would be either one of the

909
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: tight ends, So so.

910
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 4: Six if you're giving that, he said four, and then

911
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: he goes number five, either one of the titles.

912
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: That's six.

913
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be nice over here. Okay, just for that,

914
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to make you talk about DeAndre Hopkins. Here

915
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: we go, What exactly where where does this stay to

916
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: talk about?

917
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: So let me fill you guys in. On social media

918
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 4: this week, Hop posted a video he was working out,

919
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: and he had the geotag of Phoenix, Arizona, and his

920
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: selfie video basically said something along the lines of who

921
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: said I didn't want to stay in Arizona? Which made

922
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: me scratch my head a little bit because with all

923
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 4: but saying the words I don't want to stay in Arizona,

924
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: it was Hop who said that. And it was Hop's

925
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: team who was going on a media tour naming specific

926
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: teams who would be interested in playing in And it

927
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 4: was Hop's team who got permission from the Cardinals' front

928
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: office to have trade talks with other teams. So that

929
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: was a little interesting to me. Maybe maybe both can

930
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: be true. Maybe he was interested in a trade but

931
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: interested in staying here. Maybe after seeing them address the

932
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 4: offensive line and thinking a little bit, and maybe the

933
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 4: fact that Kyler Murray is going through rehab, well, maybe

934
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 4: he thinks there's still some magic to be made here

935
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: in Arizona. I don't really know what's going on with

936
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 4: his in his head when he made that video, but

937
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: that is the update that DeAndre Hopkins is still a cardinal.

938
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: And after the first night of the draft is press conference,

939
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: Mani Osipfort said that they didn't have plans to trade

940
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: him moving forward. So who really knows where we are?

941
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: We nobody really knows, But I will say that you

942
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: want to talk about. Maybe what motivate him is the

943
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: fact that after Mani Osiford said I don't see him

944
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: going anywhere, Mania Ostafort reached out to his reps or

945
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 3: his reps reached out to Moni and said, yeah, we can't.

946
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: We're not getting any kind of trade right now that

947
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: we'd be willing to pull off. So he's not going anywhere.

948
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you gonna do?

949
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Well, I guess if you take T Hop's Instagram video

950
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 2: here this week at face value, he never did quite

951
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: say it.

952
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: No, he never has verbally, but he technically neither is

953
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: Buddha Baker.

954
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: He's had his hype men say it though, Von Miller

955
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: and des Bryant, and then he went on the podcast,

956
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: the video podcast, and he made facial expressions that said

957
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: he'd be more than willing to go to Buffalo in cases.

958
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: And Hopkins was posting videos straight up saying where do

959
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 4: you want to see me play this year? So while

960
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: he again Verba, he did not word for what's say

961
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: I want to be traded out of Arizona, he also

962
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 4: wasn't doing much to quiet the noise.

963
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: And didn't this off season start with his IG post

964
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: where he said forever grateful.

965
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: Yes it was cryptic, so okay.

966
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Neither neither Buddha Baker or DeAndre Hopkins have said

967
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: publicly they want a trade. The Buddha thing came out

968
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: as a he reportedly told the team, So that's not

969
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: him coming out. That's that's a source I guess in

970
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: the team obviously. The Hopkins thing, it got put out there,

971
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: and I thought of this when I the other day

972
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: the report went about seeking a trade. The report specifically

973
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: said teams have gotten permission to talk to Hopkins about

974
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 3: a trade. It didn't say Hopkins had had permission to

975
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: speak to teams about the trade. So I don't know

976
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: what that means, if it's if it means nothing, or

977
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: if that was said exactly how it needed to be said.

978
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

979
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: Is it okay if I talk to the teams? Can

980
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: I do that? Can I take a moment here Polypsa

981
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: with a shout out to the Buffalo Bills. You can

982
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: go ahead and you want to leave. You can add

983
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: your Dalton Kincaid, right, but you didn't add another receiver

984
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: to go with Stefan Diggs Kansas City. If you're really

985
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: counting on Cadarius Tony to be your number one outside

986
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: receiver this year, good luck with that in defending your

987
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Lombardi Trophy. And if you're in the New York Giants

988
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: and you can think trading up into round three to

989
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: draft Jalen Hyatt, the burner out of Tennessee, and he's

990
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: already arguably wide receiver one for a Giants team that's

991
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: stuck in the same division as the Eagles and to

992
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: a lesser extent, the Cowboys. And you think that's going

993
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: to put you over the top and get you a

994
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: second playoff win this year, I think you're sadly mistaken.

995
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: So my shout out to those other teams in the

996
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: NFL is keep jockeying for price and keep thinking the

997
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: Cardinals are going to cut perhaps DeAndre Hopkins, you're free

998
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: on the market. Not gonna happen. I think there will

999
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: be enough competition and there will be something finalized at

1000
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: some point.

1001
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: Maybe we just need to get through the off season

1002
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 4: in training camp. Maybe maybe teams just kind of need

1003
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: to see who they have right now on the field,

1004
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: get through a week or two of the regular season,

1005
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: kind of see what's working. I mean, I'm not to

1006
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: say that just because awesome for it said that DeAndre

1007
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: they don't have plans to trade him DeAndre Hopkins as

1008
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: a Cardinal and hop was posting that selfie video. I

1009
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 4: don't think that's to mean that a trade still couldn't happen.

1010
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: Yep.

1011
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 4: I think maybe what the Cardinals were being offered around

1012
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: the draft wasn't exactly what they were looking for. But

1013
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: maybe as you start to get closer or the start

1014
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 4: of the season and teams really do realize how having

1015
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: him that on their team could really help them take

1016
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 4: that next step, maybe something will happen there.

1017
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: Well, to your point, think about it, Tennessee. Last year

1018
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 2: they away ag Brown disaster. They knew it in training camp.

1019
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: Treylon Burks was not going to be the guy. So

1020
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: if somebody is in that same predicament this year, then

1021
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: maybe in the middle August they realize it the hard way.

1022
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Maniosiphort gets a call for d

1023
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: hop Right, so there you go. By the way, I'll

1024
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: leave you with this my analogy. They're drafting a players

1025
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: like buying a used car, which I just did for

1026
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: the sixteen year old. I mean, think about it. You're

1027
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: trying to buy a used car. There's thousands of listings

1028
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: out there, just like there's thousands of players. Right. You

1029
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: got to narrow down your needs, got to do your research.

1030
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: What are we targeting, what position, what vehicle? You gotta

1031
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: look at the pictures and you do all that sort

1032
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: of reason, maybe even some videos. You go out, you

1033
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: take it for a test drive, just like the combine

1034
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: or the pro day. Then you interview the seller just

1035
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: like a top thirty visit, right, and then you get

1036
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: the mechanic to do the top one fifty inspection, just

1037
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: like you might do with your team doctors. Think of

1038
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: all the similarities between buying that used car and drafting

1039
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: a player, but ultimately at the very end, when you

1040
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: part with the cash, it is a leap of faith.

1041
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: You don't know is this going to get me home

1042
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: or not? You find out you do your research, sort

1043
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: of like the draft, there's a fifty percent hit rate,

1044
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: sort of like with buying a used car. Am I wrong, Danny? No,

1045
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: she's just bored, is what she is? No, no, no way,

1046
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: we got we got underwhelming. We've got one more we do.

1047
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, fans have really liked the new uniforms, the unveiling

1048
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 4: event that we hosted Paul and just wanted to share

1049
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 4: there's going to be an exclusive, more in depth behind

1050
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: the scenes look at those new uniforms and the players

1051
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: seeing them for the first time and all that in

1052
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: the latest Flight Plan episode, which drops this Thursday at noon,

1053
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: Arizona time. Because it seems that whenever we tweet something

1054
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: about any sort of time people always want to know

1055
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 4: what time zone we're talking about. Is if we wouldn't

1056
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: be talking about the time zone that the team is in,

1057
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: So let's make that clear Thursday at noon, which would

1058
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 4: be May fourth new episode of flight Plan.

1059
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: I've never been snarky about something.

1060
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: Like three hours behind Eastern time.

1061
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: For those who are wondering, OK, right now.

1062
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: Cardinals flip time. There you go, hashtag Emmy Award winning.

1063
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: That'll do it.

1064
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: The car works out there, so do I.

1065
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: Well, I won't know. I'll give you a grade on

1066
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: the car two years from now, and that'll do it

1067
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: for Cardinals zoning around. Brought to you by Pacific Office

1068
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,600
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