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Speaker 1: in the human body. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this

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Speaker 1: is Bodybags, Dave. I took you out in the backyard

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Speaker 1: You think you could if I hand you a knife?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think I could do that, Joe, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why? Movies ever? Two movies Desperado with Danny Trejo. He

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Speaker 1: But the odds, the odds that you were going to

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Speaker 2: In the bodyguard. That was another one where he ThReD

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Speaker 1: But but it's it's all fictional odds. And I know

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Speaker 1: So when and we've covered this case before, as a

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Speaker 2: She is one of these New Age models where we

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Speaker 2: Right, only fans, which is that we've had a number

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Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned the elevator, because that was just

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that it shot. I didn't know a

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Speaker 1: No, No, you're not. It's it's immediately superior to well,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a big blow. And let me tell

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Speaker 1: So any of that data that was contained on that

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Speaker 1: be excluded anything that was contained on that CPO. You're

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Speaker 1: going to have it all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna have all of it out. The thing is,

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Speaker 2: imagine this Joe Courtney Taylor. That's Courtney Clinney. The name

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00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: Courtney Clinty went by online only fans and Instagram. She

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Speaker 2: had two million followers on Instagram. That's making bank. This

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Speaker 2: is the kind of money that you don't make at

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Speaker 2: this age. This is the kind of money unless you

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Speaker 2: inherit it. You don't traditionally make this kind of money

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Speaker 2: that she was pulling down. And the thing is Christian Bobselli.

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00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: He was a computer guy. He was big into cryptocurrency.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you who have seen what has

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Speaker 2: happened in that world in the last ten year years, yes,

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Speaker 2: you know there there have been crypto billionaires and you know,

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Speaker 2: created where they spent ten cents to buy you know,

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Speaker 2: however many shares of some crypto and now you know

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Speaker 2: they sold for forty five thousand a share kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a crazy time in the world

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Speaker 2: of cryptocurrency if you got in and out at the

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Speaker 2: right time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and so you know the old adage

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Speaker 1: of you know, money being the root of all evil,

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Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily adhere to evil other evil. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the love of money. Thank you. You're right, You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: and you know it's it is a tool. And the

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Speaker 1: thing about it is, if if there if the prosecution

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Speaker 1: were to say, have to move forward with this case,

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Speaker 1: and there is evidence that could have been on that

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Speaker 1: hard drive and this was a final the root of

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Speaker 1: this may have been to borrow that phrase. The root

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Speaker 1: of could have been some kind of financial distress or

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Speaker 1: discrept see or argument that was going on. Man, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a foundational part to the case. And what a

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Speaker 1: train wreck that could potentially.

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Speaker 2: Be something else that came out Joe after the death

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Speaker 2: of christianumm Selly. No, many of us have already seen

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Speaker 2: the police video of Courtney Clinty directed right after this.

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Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the blood, you mentioned you know

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Speaker 2: how she was acting right afterwards. You this was not

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Speaker 2: a planned event, you know, it was in my mind's eye.

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Speaker 2: I'm just an amateur at this. I don't I'm not

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Speaker 2: a cop, I'm not a detective or a lawyer. But

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Speaker 2: the way she was acting afterwards, you know a lot

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Speaker 2: she admitted I did it. It was an accident. We were fighting, okay, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Two months after this, eight weeks after, she is so

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Speaker 2: bloody and standing there in front of the cops saying,

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Speaker 2: I just killed my boyfriend. Oh my goodness. Well she

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Speaker 2: didn't know he was dead as they wheeled him out,

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Speaker 2: but they everybody else did. They knew he's not going

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Speaker 2: to make it. I couldn't from the amount of blood

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Speaker 2: he was losing. Which I'm so glad you had explained

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Speaker 2: that earlier, Joe, because I've talked to this a number

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Speaker 2: of people about how could one knife wound there at

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Speaker 2: your collarbone really cause all this? And I'm so thankful

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Speaker 2: for that because I didn't know. But two months later,

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Speaker 2: Courtney is with her parents in Texas and in this

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Speaker 2: Texas neighborhood regular not the Florida high rise she's living in,

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Speaker 2: but just a regular family neighborhood. She actually gets she

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Speaker 2: has a run in with the law, and according to

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Speaker 2: deputies on the scene in Travis County, Texas, which is

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Speaker 2: the Austin area, they respond to an incident with Courtney

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Speaker 2: clenty eight weeks after the murder of her boyfriend or

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Speaker 2: eighteen year old boy said he was walking in the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood when he was approached by a woman who was

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Speaker 2: walking her dogs and who told him she was drunk.

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Speaker 2: She approaches This is what the father says. Jovon is

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Speaker 2: the kid's name. He's eighteen years old. His dad says,

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Speaker 2: she approached him, what my son said, visibly intoxicated, and

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Speaker 2: she's like, hey, what's your name. The woman is Courtney Clinny,

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Speaker 2: who the teen didn't know. She requested that he walk

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Speaker 2: home with her. He agrees because he's eighteen years old

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Speaker 2: and she's hot, and she starts making sexual advances towards him.

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Speaker 2: He's eighteen. He's not ready for this. He was thinking,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk this cute drunk girl home, but she

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: takes it a step further, and a step further, and

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Speaker 2: a step further, to the point where she's putting physical

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Speaker 2: moves on him. She doesn't know this guy, Joe. They

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Speaker 2: just met walking on the street. She's walking her dogs.

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Speaker 2: She's saying kiss me, and he's like, no, I don't

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Speaker 2: know you. If you don't kiss me, I'm gonna burn

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Speaker 2: your house down.

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Speaker 1: Holy smokes.

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Speaker 2: That's what Courtney Clinny told his eighteen year old She

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Speaker 2: just met in her parents neighborhood. I'm gonna and I

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Speaker 2: burn that blank down. So that's why they called deputies.

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Speaker 2: The team, you know, wasn't really interested in doing anything

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Speaker 2: else with her. And when the cops showed up, Clinty

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Speaker 2: Courtney Clinny then freaks out. She shoves his father, physically

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Speaker 2: attacks him. He shoves her back, calls police, deputies show up.

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Speaker 2: She's freaking out. This became a total bruja haa between

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Speaker 2: Courtney Clinny, a dad and his eighteen year old son

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Speaker 2: in their nice, quiet family neighborhood because she's out drunk,

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Speaker 2: walking dogs and hitting on an eighteen year old guy.

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Speaker 2: So there you have it.

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Speaker 1: I'm really yeah, I'm wondering how if this is going

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Speaker 1: to factor in and if this will be factored in

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Speaker 1: in the case in Florida. More than likely it won't.

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Speaker 1: But if you're looking at this case to try to

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Speaker 1: understand perhaps behavior patterns, huh, this is kind of this

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Speaker 1: is I think that it's kind of significant perhaps, and

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Speaker 1: and we're not this is not a one off event

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Speaker 1: because if you go back obviously to that violent night

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Speaker 1: that into Christian's life and then extend back to all

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Speaker 1: these other domestic beefs, that occurred at that location, including

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Speaker 1: that thing that has witnessed on the CCTV in the elevator.

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Speaker 1: It could be a portent of things to come. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags.