WEBVTT - Cool Rerun: Part One: Aqua Tofana: How to Kill Your Husband

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>your weekly reminder that people can do good things like

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<v Speaker 2>kill their husbands. This is a rerun episode. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>know that I get weeks off sometimes? And I got

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<v Speaker 2>last week off, and I got last week off because

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<v Speaker 2>of the Founding Fathers, who I don't like very much,

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<v Speaker 2>but I appreciate my week off. And I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>what rerun should I give you all? And then I

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<v Speaker 2>read a headline that says, quote conservatives in red States

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<v Speaker 2>turn their attention to ending no fault divorce laws. So

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I'd tell a little story about what happened

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<v Speaker 2>before divorce was legal, which is that women killed their husbands,

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<v Speaker 2>just poisoned them, a lot of them, because it was

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<v Speaker 2>the only way that they could get out of the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Divorce saves lives, it saves men's lives. You think they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be happy about it anyway, This is a rerun and

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<v Speaker 2>it's about women who poison their husbands. Hello, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret phil Joy. Sophie says that I have to start

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<v Speaker 2>each episode with a joke in order to be part

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<v Speaker 2>of the cool Zone Media Network of Podcasts. Yeah, so okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you. I remember that detail in my

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<v Speaker 2>contract because I've got a photographic memory. It's just that

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<v Speaker 2>I left the lens cap on. That's my joke. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we've got a returning guest, the one and

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<v Speaker 2>only Sharen Shreen.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you hi, I'm okay, Hi, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you do? How do you justify your existence?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a hard question for me to answer right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been going through a very extended existential crisis, like

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<v Speaker 3>extended by like years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh now I feel guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine. I should know at this point how to

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<v Speaker 3>answer that after all this time. But I uh, I

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<v Speaker 3>make stuff and try every day to stay alive. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I I write and direct and I can't say that

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<v Speaker 3>I've done that in a while though. So there's where

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<v Speaker 3>that there's where the imposter syndrome comes in. But you're

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<v Speaker 3>not asking you all these questions. This is not therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>I do need a therapist. I want to shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to get you to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about your podcast really quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my podcast. I do co host a podcast called

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<v Speaker 3>Ethnically Ambiguous it's uh, it's evolved over the years. It

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<v Speaker 3>used to be about news, and we do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of guest interviews now because the news hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's true. Yeah, Sophie is our producer and is

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<v Speaker 2>on the line too. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>As we established ahead of this podcast, we do believe

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<v Speaker 1>I have been cursed. So if you're listening and you

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<v Speaker 1>we are the one who did that, how dare you?

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<v Speaker 3>How dare you?

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe we could probably do like a Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Pan thing or if everyone starts clapping and says I

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<v Speaker 2>believe in Sophie, Oh, then that will help lift Sophie's curse.

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<v Speaker 2>If everyone who listens to this does.

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<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, please let me know. Or if you know

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<v Speaker 1>how to lift a curse, you know, yeah me on Twitter. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Ian is our editor and unwoman wrote our theme music,

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<v Speaker 2>so sharene. I want to talk to you today about

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<v Speaker 2>that sacred bond between two people, the bond of marriage. No,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, we're going to talk about the most important

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<v Speaker 2>part of any successful marriage, which is to say, today

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about women who've murdered their husbands.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's better, Okay, cool, I'm down. I'm down, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doun I like that twist.

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<v Speaker 2>I told Sharene that we picked this episode specifically for

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<v Speaker 2>so it would have been particularly cruel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I do. I mean the context behind that

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<v Speaker 3>is that I do not like marriage, and that's all

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<v Speaker 3>you need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh great, well, yeah, today we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a multi generational crew of witches, roughly we'll call

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<v Speaker 2>them witches in seventeenth century Rome, who sold poison to

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere between forty six and six hundred women so that

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<v Speaker 2>those women could murder their abusive husbands during an arrow

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<v Speaker 2>when I know, big play, big play, And this is

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<v Speaker 2>during an arrow where divorce wasn't a thing and where

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<v Speaker 2>women were basically the legal property of men. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>also going to talk about the the real and yet

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<v Speaker 2>also mythical concoction that they came up with called Aqua tafauna.

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<v Speaker 2>And along the way, we're going not to also talk

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<v Speaker 2>about skincare routines like bathing in the Blood of Innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>I do love skincare.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, this is some good stuff for you today.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, So everyone buckle up for the How to Kill

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<v Speaker 2>Your Husband episode, which we're going to call the how

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<v Speaker 2>to Kill your Husband. We're just gonna call it how

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<v Speaker 2>to Kill your Husband and see if we get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, So first we have to talk about whenever we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the cool things that people did, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the bad things that they're going against. Right. So, marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>m the history of marriage in Europe, really anywhere that's

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<v Speaker 2>been controlled by Catholicism or even more importantly, patriarchy. But

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<v Speaker 2>the research I did for this episode was primarily about Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's dark as fuck. It's so dark. The history of

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<v Speaker 2>marriage is so bad. Yeah, Italy didn't legalize divorce until

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 3>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's waste too late.

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<v Speaker 3>Years ago, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it feels like thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels like thirty Yeah, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>The real ones know, Okay, Yeah, Spain didn't legalize it

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<v Speaker 2>until nineteen eighty one.

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<v Speaker 3>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Ireland didn't legalize marriage until nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 3>I was alive through in both of them. Wait, what

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<v Speaker 3>was the second one eighty one?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was eighty one.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a spring chicken, but that was way to ninety six.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the reason for I mean The reason for

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<v Speaker 2>those three is all Catholicism, but Ireland in particular, because

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<v Speaker 2>they the Catholic Church of that very clever thing where

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<v Speaker 2>they position themselves is like the anti colonial choice for

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<v Speaker 2>the Irish rebels right against that damnable Protestant England. And

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<v Speaker 2>so when Ireland got its like kind of independence, the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church was like, hell, yeah, now you're free from

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<v Speaker 2>England and you can just serve the pope and no

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<v Speaker 2>one's allowed to enjoy sex anymore, and kind of instituted

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<v Speaker 2>a theocracy, which is not what we're talking about today,

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<v Speaker 2>but I always want to get that off my chest.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, yeah, I don't like marriage for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of reasons. One of them is that it's usually really

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<v Speaker 3>based in religion and control, and it's just become the

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<v Speaker 3>archaic thing we've gotten used to in my opinion. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's just my two cents. Because also, not all religious

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<v Speaker 3>hashtag not all religions, but I'm not I don't really

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<v Speaker 3>believe in anything, but I will say that in the

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<v Speaker 3>Muslim faith, the woman keeps her name because she's not necessary,

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<v Speaker 3>because why would you take your name if she's not

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<v Speaker 3>related to you? Is the logic behind that like, she's

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<v Speaker 3>not your sister, she's not your mom. So she's going

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<v Speaker 3>to keep her maiden name or just her name, and

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<v Speaker 3>she can divorce anytime she wants. Like it's in the

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<v Speaker 3>it's in, it's allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not saying every religion is that way. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's become I think the institution of marriage itself

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<v Speaker 3>has become something really out of our control, regardless of religion.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, Yeah, totally. I started trying to look

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<v Speaker 2>up more, you know, like I was looking up a

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<v Speaker 2>divorce in Islam, and you know, finding overall a much

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<v Speaker 2>better history than divorce into various Christian faiths. Although ironic,

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<v Speaker 2>the Puritans, who hated sex and all this other shit,

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<v Speaker 2>they were more pro divorce than the Catholics.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe hating sex has something to do with that, I wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, maybe, oh yeah, they're like, oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>get divorced. They can't fuck anymore. Yeah, totally, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>So divorce hard. In a lot of times and places

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of places, men were allowed to divorce

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<v Speaker 2>their their wives, but not vice versa. So like, because

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<v Speaker 2>the woman is property, the man can be like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>done with this property. But the property can't be like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done with my owner, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>M makes sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and and yeah, so okay, throughout history you've got

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<v Speaker 2>this this shit that says wives of the legal property

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<v Speaker 2>their husbands. In medieval England it was called coverture, which

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<v Speaker 2>means that the wife's legal identity is subsumed by her husbands.

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<v Speaker 2>And so an unmarried woman could own property, but a

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<v Speaker 2>married woman couldn't because if once you're married, it all

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that is backwards as shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. So it's like, why the fuck would anyone

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<v Speaker 2>get married? And mostly it's because of arranged marriages and

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<v Speaker 2>being forced to.

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<v Speaker 3>So there wasn't any like benefit. There wasn't the excuse

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<v Speaker 3>of like tax breaks, right like back then, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really like why wouldn't women get married if she had

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<v Speaker 3>the choice?

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, everything that I was reading just basically

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<v Speaker 2>had the like you kind of like couldn't. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to also in many ways, it was very

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<v Speaker 2>hard to go through life as an unmarried woman. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think this, I think it does change like century

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<v Speaker 2>to century and like country to country, like exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>free people are kind of in the same way that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like whenever I read about like historical gayness,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so different. It'll be like twenty years of awesome

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<v Speaker 2>on this island and then everyone dies and that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like and I feel like the rights of women,

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<v Speaker 2>as best as I can tell, in medieval Europe would

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<v Speaker 2>would fluctuate a lot. But I think people were getting

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<v Speaker 2>married because you were like fucking told to.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, it's just like the path of life that was

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<v Speaker 3>laid out for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think you also literally don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>choice in a lot of cases. And so English law

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<v Speaker 2>does this thing. And there's this problem where if English

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<v Speaker 2>law does this thing, then the rest of the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>world's law does this thing. Because I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you knew this stream, but England hasn't always stayed on

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<v Speaker 2>its island.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Has it got other places? English people been places they

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<v Speaker 3>don't belong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, and they showed up as tourists

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<v Speaker 2>and took some pictures and went home. And then for

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<v Speaker 2>some weird reason, when they showed up as tourists, all

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<v Speaker 2>the other countries swore allegiance to their monarchy and anyway

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<v Speaker 2>with all colonization and shit, their bullshit legal institutions get

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<v Speaker 2>inherited by legal systems all around the world, including the US,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the US all coverture wasn't really challenged until

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteenth century, and it lingers in legal codes today

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<v Speaker 2>still in various places, but state by state, each state

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<v Speaker 2>slowly got rid of coverture.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the stand in for the dummies in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>What is coverture?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, So that's the the idea that the wife's legal

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<v Speaker 2>identity is subsumed by the husband's.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, got it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's a little bit like the wife is

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<v Speaker 2>the property, but it's a little bit like the wife

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Like legally, you know, it kind of disappears.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Louisiana was the last state to get rid of coverture.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen seventy nine, they finally got rid of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then nineteen eighty the Supreme Court ruled it federally unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm currently I'm hoping that the current Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>is not listening to this podcast at getting any ideas. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope not, Sophie. Can we add a legal disclaimer

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone who is currently serving on the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>or who determines what cases are heard by the Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court isn't allowed to listen to this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you just did all right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are listening and you are on the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 2>you have broken the law and you should report directly

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<v Speaker 2>to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, most of you fuck off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Non English conquered areas also managed to have similar shit

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<v Speaker 2>because of other kind of internal colonization of Europe. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the Napoleonic Code, which spread throughout Europe, which made

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<v Speaker 2>women the property of husbands as it went. Ironically, the

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<v Speaker 2>Napoleonic Code, I think also like spread legalization of homosexuality,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also spread anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Mixed bags, yeah, double edged.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. French women didn't get the right to work outside

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<v Speaker 2>the home without their husband's permission until nineteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, famously liberal or I guess famously neutral. Switzerland didn't

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<v Speaker 2>offer marriage equality until nineteen eighty eight, with like a

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<v Speaker 2>super narrow vote.

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<v Speaker 3>That is unsettling.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it was like it was like fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>or fifty six percent of the population was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's make women equal in marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're all was just like, oh, that place is fine,

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<v Speaker 3>they're neutral, nothing bad happens over there.

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<v Speaker 2>They make pocket knives. Yeah, exactly, and hide all the money. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So in the US didn't have the right to open

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<v Speaker 2>credit card accounts, or rather, they could be denied opening

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<v Speaker 2>credit card accounts if they don't have their husband's permission

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever until guess what year.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean at this point nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, well it was actually nineteen seventy four. I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of set you up.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really, yeah, thinking the worst of humanity, which

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<v Speaker 3>is fine, usually usually that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in nineteen seventy four, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act

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<v Speaker 2>prevents creditors from discriminating against people based on race, sex,

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<v Speaker 2>or marital status. And even then, the thing about sex

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<v Speaker 2>and marital status was literally slipped into the bill at

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<v Speaker 2>the last minute. There was a congress person named Lindy

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<v Speaker 2>Boggs who hand wrote it onto the bill and made

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<v Speaker 2>photocopies to pass out and was like, oh, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>this was just an oversight that you made this Credit

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<v Speaker 2>Opportunity Act and didn't include women in marital status in it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like, okay, fine, and they passed the bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting critical support for someone I know nothing else about.

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<v Speaker 2>Box plus So most of the past thousand years or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Western women again, at least Western women. That's what I've

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<v Speaker 2>looked at in the context of this particular episode shit

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<v Speaker 2>run of it. When it comes to marriage, there's this

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<v Speaker 2>essay that I think you Scherene would like. It's from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh seven and it's by Vulturing Declaire and it's

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<v Speaker 2>called those who marry do ill.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that sounds sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was a response to there was like

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<v Speaker 2>this like debate and someone else presented those who marry

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<v Speaker 2>do Well, and so she was like, Nah, those who

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<v Speaker 2>marry do.

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<v Speaker 3>Ill well epic nineteen oh seven. That was that's a

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<v Speaker 3>good on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who is it? By Vulturing Declare One Future Friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the Pod Vulturing Declare she wants some she's like

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<v Speaker 2>against the prison system, and so when someone tries to

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<v Speaker 2>assassinate her, she like doesn't call the cops on them,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he shot her, and then like gets handled

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<v Speaker 2>in other ways and all this shit. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he disappears or anything. Anyway. I don't know enough about

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<v Speaker 2>that story yet because I haven't researched that episode yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But Future Friend of.

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<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, that's a little crumb for later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, And so if you know this show, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a bad set of laws and social practices,

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<v Speaker 2>there are people fighting against it. And how do you

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<v Speaker 2>think people fought against marriage, Sharen when divorce wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>An option assuming they're already married or like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean the only logical like a solution seems like they

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<v Speaker 3>would have to kill their husbands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, poison, Yeah, poison is a really women solve the

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<v Speaker 2>problem of marriage with poison?

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah. So but like, honestly, like really think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the choice there was like not all murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I shouldn't say that, but I think when you push

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<v Speaker 3>people against a wall. This is in context of so

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<v Speaker 3>many things, so many things, but people will do things

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<v Speaker 3>that they wouldn't normally do, and everyone's capable of the

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<v Speaker 3>same amount of things. You know, no one's like born

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<v Speaker 3>unless it's like actually like a chemical thing. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think anything that you see someone do and you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, you can also do that because you're

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<v Speaker 3>like you're just the same species and you have the

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<v Speaker 3>capability of, like, in my opinion, anything can push you

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<v Speaker 3>to the edge. Yeah, you know. So my point is

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<v Speaker 3>I support this kind of murder. Yeah, and that's all

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I am putting them on my show, cool

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<v Speaker 2>people who did cool stuff. So no, but that that

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<v Speaker 2>makes a lot of sense, And even that point about

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<v Speaker 2>anyone can do any of these things is worth thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about also from the other point of view of like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when when we do episodes that are about

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<v Speaker 2>like people who like organized and did all this crazy

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<v Speaker 2>shit that is a little bit more above board and

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit less murder, that's stuff we can do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I like, I do a history podcast

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<v Speaker 2>not to be like all the cool people are dead

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone who listens to this sucks, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I mean, it's hard for me to remember

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<v Speaker 3>that even like I just said it out loud, like

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<v Speaker 3>sounding like I really believe that I was saying. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard for me to believe that like real change

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<v Speaker 3>can happen because you hear about all those revolutionaries, and

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<v Speaker 3>you hear about people that were like fighting in a

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<v Speaker 3>much more impressive time, and you're like, wow, those are badasses,

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<v Speaker 3>and you forget that you can do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget anyway for myself, because I think we get

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit complacent, And also I think like history

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<v Speaker 3>in general makes things seem really romantic and like far away.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think reminding ourselves that we are just

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<v Speaker 3>as capable of not more so, if we wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just about wanting to be, and it's about executing,

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<v Speaker 3>executing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Want, executing something.

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<v Speaker 3>Executing something good. Job, Wow, I cannot up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, And it's such a I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an important point. And and I will say the

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<v Speaker 2>institution of marriage is still not inherently great, but is

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<v Speaker 2>a different structure than it was before, and divorce is

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<v Speaker 2>available to more people. So I'm not advocating, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>describing what people who had their backs up against the

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<v Speaker 2>wall chose to do. So Medieval Italy had this reputation

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<v Speaker 2>that may or may not have been deserved of being

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<v Speaker 2>fucking obsessed with poison. Supposedly, Medieval and Renaissance Italy had

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<v Speaker 2>in whole poison factories. The authorities were like constantly testing

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<v Speaker 2>poison and antidotes on prisoners and animals. Italian perfumers had

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<v Speaker 2>side gigs making poison.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, so what was this? What was most of this

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<v Speaker 3>poison comprised of? Like, was there like a so hot one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, we'll actually talk about a lot of what

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<v Speaker 2>people use to poison people in detail on this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but the big new poison on the scene for most

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<v Speaker 2>of what we're talking about is Arsenic.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, I was I was gonna say that. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like, I don't know, Yeah, it's a smart suggestion,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm glad my mind was in the right track.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, totally. And so Italians had this reputation

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<v Speaker 2>of being these master poisoners, and so they would get

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<v Speaker 2>hired by courts all over Europe to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we need a court poisoner, come on over, or like

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<v Speaker 2>at one point supposedly, and but all of this is

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped up in myth, right, and we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>some too, But supposedly at one point, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some monarch is like, oh, I need fifty poisoners to

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<v Speaker 2>win this war for me by going and poisoning all

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<v Speaker 2>the wells over and you know, enemy land or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy one English guy wrote at the time, the Italians,

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<v Speaker 2>above all other nations, most practiced revenge by treasons and

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<v Speaker 2>are especially and especially are skillful in making and giving poisons.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's kind of this like, oh, those sketchy Italians, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know whatever, that's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess it kind of it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 3>like I mean, obviously they're movies or whatever. All the

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<v Speaker 3>stories you hear about that time, there is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of poison involved. There's a lot of like assassinations evolving

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<v Speaker 3>poison or like whatever. Yeah, and so I guess I

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<v Speaker 3>for I forget that that's like an actual thing that

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it seems like like a like a wizard's

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<v Speaker 2>spell or yeah, yeah, the dragon came or the court

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<v Speaker 2>poisoner slipped their ring open and poisoned the.

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<v Speaker 3>King drank the wine and then fell over and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh no, And I actually didn't write this in

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<v Speaker 2>a script, but the kings and shit were fucking obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>and paranoid where they would have like food tests, and

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<v Speaker 2>the food testers would like, like the kings ate shit

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<v Speaker 2>because like the food tester would come and eat a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of everything, but sometimes we just stir it

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<v Speaker 2>all up together and like and so the food by

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<v Speaker 2>the time it like is ready for the king to

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<v Speaker 2>eat is like cold and like take like just destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>And also strong flavors would mask the scent and taste

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<v Speaker 2>of poison, so they would avoid the like strong flavors,

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<v Speaker 2>and their concept of strong flavors was like onions and garlic.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe not explains English cuisine.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, That's what I was trying to figure out.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find a direct link, but it seems because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, we don't know about those. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, but I bet the peasants, I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 2>already like turnips and shit, right, so the peasants are

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<v Speaker 2>probably eating some spicy shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean the solution to that, mister Kings, wherever

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<v Speaker 3>you are is to make your own fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Food, totally. Yeah, And they would like eat alone, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they would like, like one king, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>which one cause again it didn't make it in the script,

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<v Speaker 2>he would like wet all of his napkins and have

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<v Speaker 2>his like testers lick the napkins, and so the like

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking handkerchief he's cleaning his face with or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>is like wet and covered in someone else's spittle. Wall

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<v Speaker 2>why in case there's poison on the napkins.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, that's a little bit too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh And the best part is none of it worked,

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<v Speaker 2>because these these poisons don't take five minutes to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>They take take a couple hours at least, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so poison times, ye oldie poison times. But a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it was fake. But there was like everyone was

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<v Speaker 2>like freaked out about it, and it's hard to tell

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<v Speaker 2>how much was real or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>One Italian poison of note was used by the Borgia

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<v Speaker 2>family to murder a ton of political folks like bishops

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<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff. And it was a cantarella or

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<v Speaker 2>thought and it might have been copper arsenic and phosphorus

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<v Speaker 2>prepared and the decaying carcass of a hog.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what's cool. And we're gonna get to more of this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the time when science and magic are just fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Science and magic are just in bed, just fucking.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that. Yeah, I was gonna say that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>kind of witchy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. Yeah. And one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a lot of this is exaggerated. There's

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<v Speaker 2>so many things to say. Yes, Italy was obsessed with poison.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all these poisons blah blah blah blah blah. But

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<v Speaker 2>then like for example, Palmero, Polermo, pal marrow, you'd think

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<v Speaker 2>I would have spelled it right when I wrote it

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<v Speaker 2>down into my script. So town is sicily that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this story takes place in It only had

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<v Speaker 2>over like a three hundred year period, there was only

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<v Speaker 2>seven executions for poison. So, like, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this is this sort of moral panic where basically

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<v Speaker 2>anytime anyone important dies, people are like it was poison.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, they've just like perpetuated this like fearful

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<v Speaker 3>rumor yea more than it probably was. Yeah, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like what we do now, So I know checks.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, But people definitely fucked with poison. Killing people never

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<v Speaker 2>goes out of style, and poison has always also been

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<v Speaker 2>a weapon of those who don't have access to more

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<v Speaker 2>direct means of violence, which is to say, a woman's

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>weapon again or has it been? Who knows? Because women

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:21.679
<v Speaker 2>kill people, right, Obviously we're going to talk about some

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>women who absolutely kill some people, but patriarchal society condemns

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<v Speaker 2>women in what amounts to witch trials over and over again. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone loves a good moral panic. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the killing we're going to talk about this week

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<v Speaker 2>of women and Buy Women was actually about robbing property,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I want to talk I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>on this like little side quest before we get back

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<v Speaker 2>to the main quest. I'm really excited about the side quest.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about Countess Elizabeth Buttori, which I

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<v Speaker 2>always thought was pronounced Bathory. Have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 2>this person?

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<v Speaker 3>Just that not I have not heard of, but Torri.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this just to be clear listeners. Also, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of a content warning than usual

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<v Speaker 2>on this episode because I'm not going to linger on

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<v Speaker 2>anything in graphic detail. But there's some torture and murder

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<v Speaker 2>and sexual assault and shit in this week's topic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very medieval, and I'm sort of making a pun but

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<v Speaker 2>also realizing that's just where the fucking word medieval, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>torture and shit comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that's yeah, that makes sense, that's the root

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<v Speaker 3>meaning of that word.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, So the story goes there is this woman,

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<v Speaker 2>Countess Elizabeth Battore, the Blood Countess, the alleged inspiration for Dracula.

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<v Speaker 2>She's been claimed to be the most successful serial killer

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<v Speaker 2>in history, with upwards of six hundred and fifty bodies. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna tell I'm going to tell the most

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<v Speaker 2>commonly heard version. First, but first before we do that,

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to know, so normally we're sponsored by very

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>positive things. I think this time we're sponsored by Arsenic.

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>But I'm wondering, Sharen, if you have anyone that you

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>would like this show to be sponsored by something that's

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<v Speaker 2>just like a pure on adulterated positive thing for the world,

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>like potatoes or arsenic.

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<v Speaker 3>A positive thing for the world. Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>need more of this. This is sponsored by my will

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 3>to live because it's running out and I need more.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I can buy some, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if you purchase the products and services that

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>we advertise, you will have more will to live. That

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:31.640
<v Speaker 2>is the promise and trap of consumer capitalism. Yep, here's

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 2>some ads. Okay, So the commonly heard version of Betty.

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<v Speaker 2>She was born in fifteen sixty Royalty in the Kingdom

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<v Speaker 2>of Hungary. She wasn't born in Transylvania, but which was

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<v Speaker 2>a region in Hungary at the time now Romania, but

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 2>her uncle was in charge of Transylvania, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>epileptic child or what got called at the time the

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<v Speaker 2>more metal name falling sickness. And how do you treat

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<v Speaker 2>falling sickness. Well, Scharene, you should try rubbing the blood

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>of someone without falling sickness on your lips or just

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 2>drink that blood mixed up with powdered skull.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean they do do that like plasma facial

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 3>these days, the vampire facial where they like literally take

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 3>plasma out of you and put your on your face.

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<v Speaker 3>Really so yeah, and it's supposed to like do wonders

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<v Speaker 3>for keeping you young forever and like skin rejuvenation. So no,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like she was onto something.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, buttre is definitely ahead of her time because we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to even more of her skin care routine.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh hell yeah, she probably looked so.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, I know. So her family was inbred as hell

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 2>because their royalty and falling sickness and insanity ran in

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>her family. Again, this is the sort of legend version

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 2>of all this. Her family raised her up to be cruel,

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.719
<v Speaker 2>as rulers were at the time, so she grew up

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<v Speaker 2>watching brutal torture and executions at the hands of her family.

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<v Speaker 2>Watched one Roma woman who is accused of stealing and

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>selling children into slavery, which was almost certainly like a

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>racist attack on the Roman woman because Roma people get

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 2>accused of that kind of ship. This woman was sewn

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<v Speaker 2>into a horse's stomach. Yeah alive, Yeah, I think so.

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Not for that long though. M yeah, I'm sorry. There's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be some yep, some medieval ship. She watched her

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>own cousin cut out the ears and noses off her

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>bellious peasants.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I feel bad. I feel like I've done a

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>bastard's No, you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Notice. Notice how I'm not flinching.

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<v Speaker 3>Not the sewing of the inside of the horse. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never heard that, and if I have, I blocked it

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<v Speaker 3>out of my memory. That is that is sick.

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<v Speaker 2>There are numerous types of torture and execution in this

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<v Speaker 2>episode that I had never heard of, and I have

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>been reading fantasy books since before I knew how to read.

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that worked, but I was probably

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>doing it genius. Her family was Calvinist on paper, but

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>they practiced Satanism and witchcraft at home. She spoke Hungarian, Slovak, Greek, Latin,

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 2>and German, and was one of the most educated people,

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>let alone women, of her era. When she was thirteen,

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 2>she bore her first child, who was fathered by a

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>peasant boy. The child was whisked away and never seen again,

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and the peasant boy was castrated for having dared such.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the same year she was married off to

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<v Speaker 2>a baron named ferent Nedazsi, who was about five years

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>older than her and was from a family that supposedly

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't all fucked up like the Batteries. And this joined

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<v Speaker 2>like two of the most powerful families in the country, right,

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>because women don't have any fucking choice in know they marry,

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>especially if you're fucking royalty and you're thirteen. Yeah, totally.

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>She did get given a castle that she didn't even

0:29:58.320 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>have to live in. She had a different castle to

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>live in. She got like her own extra castle and

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>seventeen villages to own, because feudalism is fucking weird. Her

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>husband was a noble and a soul journey, was always

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>away from home, which I think probably suited her just fine.

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 2>They didn't conceive their first child until they've been married

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>for like ten years. He fought mainly against the Ottomans,

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>because I think everyone who was an Ottoman was fighting

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>against the Ottomans at that point, and he was a

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>brutally effective leader and a monster to his prisoners. He

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 2>would impale them for fun. The Black Knight of Hungary,

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>leader of the Hungarian troops and hungry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's pretty cool. I can't deny that it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of metal, I know, I know.

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, this whole there's multiple metal bands that I mean.

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>One of them is just called Bathory or maybe Victory.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's pronounced correctly. I'm not sure. He teaches his

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>wife even more cruelty. At one point, he punishes a

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>girl by smearing her with honey so insects bite her.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 2>He has this whole game called kicking the Stars. I

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 2>don't understand this game. To quote Alexandra bartoso Witz's right

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 2>up of this legend, it consisted of putting a piece

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>of oil soaked paper between the fingers of a disobedient

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>servant and setting it on fire. What was the thing called, uh,

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 2>kicking the stars? I don't know. If it was between

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>the toes, it would make a little bit more sense.

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 3>That sounds way more pleasant than it is.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 2>It's totally Hey, kid, you want to play kicking the stars? Yeah,

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 2>it's where I set some stuff on fire in your hand.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting and strange. Never heard of that.

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>From the same I know, from the same source. He

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<v Speaker 2>also presented Elizabeth with a pair of gloves that ended

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>in claws, which she used to punish her servants.

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 3>The original Wolverine and Dracula. Well she really had had

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 3>had layers.

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, like like Shrek.

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I also just like a side note that I

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 3>haven't forgotten since you said it. I forget that Transylvania

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 3>was a real place, And I know there are people

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 3>out there that do the same thing. So that's already

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 3>wild to me, Like it's already set in this fantasy

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 3>reality time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I have a friend of

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 2>mine gave me a necklace that's a little vial of

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>dirt from Transylvania. Oh that's cool, Okay. And so meanwhile,

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>while her brave and cruel husband is off at war,

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Lizzie Batore is at home and she's getting into the

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 2>evil shit all of her own. Now. She's making potions

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and casting spells and fucking people, even women. She travels

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>around and has lesbian orgies. She invites witches and wizards

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>to court. She keeps a guy who looks like a

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>vampire around. He's pale and has sharp teeth and wears

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>all black. Huh, and she gets the name the Beast

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>of Setya, which is the name of her castle.

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<v Speaker 1>Was.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is definitely not something you need to know.

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 3>But when did the vampire myths start? Like, when when

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 3>did that being first get introduced into lore? I wonder.

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I used to know the answer to this better I got.

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I fell into a vampire rabbit hole a couple of

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 2>years ago, I want to say. I mean, historically versions

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>of it have kind of existed forever. It's kind of

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>from the like we thought someone was dead, so we

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>buried them, but they weren't dead, so then they came

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>back and it scared us, right. But it's around this

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 2>time period that you start getting more and more folkloric vampires,

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>and they're kind of interesting. In the old vampire stories,

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>some of them are like aristocrats, and it's kind of

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 2>this like fear of the aristocratic, but then some of

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>them are also like all kinds of other shit. I

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>should do a vampire episode at some point when I

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 2>actually know this off the top of my head.

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.959
<v Speaker 3>So you're reatively sucking the blood of the people.

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly, like staying young forever by you know,

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and so by our mid twenties against posedly, she's torturing people,

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>mostly peasant women in her castle because you see Sharene,

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>have you ever had a migraine?

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:08.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, they suck.

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, what if I told you that nothing cures

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>a migraine like the screams of your victims.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, I do. I am pausing for a moment of thought. Yeah,

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 3>that would be hard to turn down if it was

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 3>a really bad migraine. I'm not gonna lie.

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough. So so she starts torturing people to

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 2>cure her migraines. And but that's what she believed, Like,

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 2>my my, if my victims are screaming, Yes, this is

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>what the legend about her has, right, right, right, yeah,

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>all of this. Yeah, and she's doing all kinds of

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 2>shit according to this legend that I'm not going to

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.399
<v Speaker 2>get in the details about. By the time she's forty one,

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>she's got a witch best friend who moves in with her,

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>just a gal pal named Anna Darvulia, who is described

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 2>as a while old beast in a female body, which

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>is objectively cool. So when Anna around, but Torri gets

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.399
<v Speaker 2>crueler and starts killing her victims. She claims that there's

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 2>a cholera outbreak, and that excuses all the dead people,

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>including now the daughters of the gentry who've come to

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>learn manners in her court. So she's like, oh, send

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 2>your daughters to learn manners. They will live as prey

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 2>in my castle and I will hunt them. She probably

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:25.359
<v Speaker 2>leaves that part out of the letters Interesting and most Famous, so.

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 3>She's not just killing peasants at that point.

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Then, right, she moves on to the royalty or the gentry.

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Most famously, she's known to bathe in her victim's blood

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>to stay young forever, which is why it's a shame

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 2>it's pronounced batory instead of bathroy.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say hot.

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Supposedly she put other girls and women into iron maidens

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 2>with drains at the bottom of the iron maiden and

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.239
<v Speaker 2>like attached it to a chain that swings above her

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>takes showers and blood.

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 3>Huh, And I know.

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>And the way that she learns that blood is good skincare,

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>much like twenty first century has learned that blood is

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 2>good skincare, is that whenever maids would fuck up while

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>doing her hair for she would massacre them and noticed

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 2>that their blood was good for her skin. But the

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 2>blood of aristocrats works better. So I would say that basically,

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the blood of billionaires will keep you young forever.

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 3>I would say that is a fact.

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, O, caase anyone's wondering, Yeah, is this where.

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>The super problematic vampire facial thing comes from?

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about that. I don't know, there's no

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 3>way this is how it started. Maybe, but like the

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>modern version of that is definitely interesting to think about

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of people dismissed it, but apparently it's

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 3>actually a very it works like because I mean, what

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 3>the first thing you have to do is though, is

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 3>like you have to like micro needle your skin, so

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 3>you're wounding your skin and then the blood over it

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 3>your your face is apparently like the act of your

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 3>face healing the wound and like generating you skin.

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>It used to be. And the reason why it was

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>where where there was primarily is they were using not

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>your own blood. That was the thing.

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 3>I can't do that, that was a thing.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>But you can't create market for blood.

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Where does the blood come from?

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Great question? And there was all kinds of you know,

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine health and sanitary issues there.

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:38.839
<v Speaker 3>That is that is bad.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no, no, but what I know exactly what

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about, which is, you know, less.

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Pr or like collagen, and it's.

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Done by like board certified like dermatologists.

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 3>No, no, it's like that.

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>But no, this other thing. You can't create a market

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 2>for blood. That's the bad thing. Yeah, ahead, I did

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 2>not realize that.

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 1>But that, Yeah, it was in fact a thing. I'm

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 1>just wondering if this is the original source of it.

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean it sounds like it, which would be kind

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>of cool. Yeah, and what Margaret's saying is you're renfercing

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 1>something from pop culture Sharen and Sophie. I don't know

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the answer to that.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, Yes, that is what's happening.

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Yeah, please continue.

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean, you know, sixteenth and seventeenth century vampires.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a little bit more knowledge about.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank god, I will say I if I had

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 3>the money. I don't think I'm above of the like

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 3>the actual version of the PRP plasma facial thing, because

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 3>collagen your body can't create college and once it's gone,

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 3>you're just gonna get more hollow and sad. There's nothing

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 3>wrong with be hollow and sad. But but the thing is,

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 3>if something works, regardless of how weird it is, you

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 3>will do it. And I think this lady is doing

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 3>the same thing, you know, like it's working for her,

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 3>and so she's gonna keep doing it.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough in sick oh okay, and so yeah,

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 2>so she's doing this bathing of blood, and she also

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>keeps girls as prey in her castle to be hunted

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 2>at a whim.

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Why girls? Why just girls? I'm not sure it easier

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 3>to get probably so.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I actually I do have an answer that I'll come

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 2>in the second half of when I'm talking about her,

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 2>when I say what the actual story is, and I

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>think that all In sixteen oh four, her husband, the

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Black Knight, is off at war again, and he's forty

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>eight fucking years old, and he either gets slain in

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>battle or gets poisoned by his wife, depending on the

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 2>story you read. And with him dead, suddenly his widow

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 2>inherits everything, and rumors are spreading about what's happening in

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>the castle at this point, and the king sends this

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>guy his palatine is the name of the title, basically

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 2>the Hand of the King. I can make a pop

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>culture reference, it just has to be about just shows

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>about people with swords, fair enough, The Hand of the

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>King goes to go investigate. Over three hundred witnesses to

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>torture and murder come forward and they are exhooming all

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>these bodies and shit from graveyards to find all the torture.

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>They find other bodies and the tunnels under the castle.

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 2>So on December thirtieth, sixteen ten, the Hand of the

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>King goes personally to her castle and arrests her and

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 2>four of her servant accomplices. When they arrive, she's covered

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>in blood over the corpse of a mutilated girl with

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>another livingess prey in the castle. And when they search

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>her castle, they find her journal detailing the deaths of

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>six hundred and fifty people.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 3>She kept a diary about all of this.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again, we'll get with anything.

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Totally, like no DNA nothing, you're writing about how many

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 3>people you've killed? But I have a question. Sorry, side,

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 3>it's okay about the answer. What was the gender of

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:56.919
<v Speaker 3>the kid that they had together? Was it a boy

0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 3>or a girl?

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.720
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what the one that was secret?

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, you said that they.

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh they did. I think she had up having like

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>ten of his kids in the end. Oh, but like

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember how many of them survived all of

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>these stories are like, and then they had seven children,

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>three of whom survived to adulthood.

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 3>Right, I guess my question is, like, would normally the

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 3>air get everything versus the queen.

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 2>I oh, it's an interesting point. I don't know how

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 2>the inheritance was working in this particular setup. I do

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>know that she inherited everything from her dad husband.

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty I mean, that's a cool point to think about,

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 3>because it's a pretty sick deal.

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And it might have been because she wasn't a ruler.

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she was a ruler, but you know, not

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>high up, right, Or she was high up, but she

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:44.919
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the fucking queen of Hungary or whatever.

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So they all get arrested, The accomplices confess, and three

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 2>of them are executed, one is given life in prison,

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 2>and the countess gets convicted of vamporism, sorcery, paganism and

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 2>was bricked up in a room in her own castle

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 2>and lived out the rest of her days. And the

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 2>blood Countess was defeated. Wow, except basically none of that's

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking true. Oh, which is like, I know, I'm a

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>little bit like, I mean.

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 3>She's a terrible person if that was true. If that

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 3>was true, she's like a disgusting torturer, serial killer person

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 3>that had great skin. But uh yeah, interesting.

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 2>But I find I found a bunch of things in

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 2>this when I'm when I'm finding this kind of history

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>where there'll be like a woman who is like attacked

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 2>as this horrible witch or whatever, right, and then it'll

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, actually, all that's lies, And so then

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 2>people will be like, actually, she was perfectly fine and

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.799
<v Speaker 2>normal and everything was fine and she was upstanding, and

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 2>then you go like one step further and you're like, oh, no,

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>she was really interesting and cool in a different way

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 2>than being a vampire.

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm I'm in. You've hooked me.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>So she was raised Calvinist, she had falling sickness, she

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>might have been treated with blood. She probably witnessed cruelty

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 2>at the hands of her parents. The sewing the woman

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 2>into the stomach of a horse. Thing it was probably

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen, not because they didn't do that, but because

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 2>they did that to They didn't do it to peasants,

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 2>because a peasant's life isn't worth killing a horse for.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Because a peasant is worth less than a horse. Wow,

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 2>So she probably did see someone get sewn into a

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>stop horse of was whatever stomach of a horse. She

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>certainly married the Black Knight, who absolutely was the Black

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Knight and a cruel, fucking, terrible person. He likely didn't

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>die valiantly in battle. It's also really unlikely that she

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 2>poisoned him, although I would not rule it out. He'd

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>been mysteriously sick for several years before he died, and

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>actually had been unable to walk the last several years

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 2>of his life. It was likely that he had poisoned

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>himself with a treatment he was taking for venereal disease,

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.280
<v Speaker 2>but some of those same treatments were used in popular

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 2>poisons around that same time, so I don't know. She

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 2>might have been trying to get rid of her cruel husband.

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 2>That's the head canon for me, is that she did

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>poison him and deserved it. But the investigation into Batory

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.919
<v Speaker 2>about wanton murder and witchcraft it started at the same

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 2>time as her husband started getting sick, because when they

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 2>knew that she was going to inherit his wealth and

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>most importantly, the king owed them a fuck ton of money,

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and that debt was canceled when she was convicted. Interesting,

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>so the whole trial was almost certainly just about money

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and power, and then later the folkloric demonization of this

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Hungarian aristocrat was useful for Slovak nationalism, so it became

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 2>a useful folklore. Right when she was arrested, she was

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>eating dinner and not probably covered in blood. The evidence

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>of her journal was that a servant claimed to have

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>talked to investigator who saw the journal, but the journal

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>was never entered into evidence during the trial, so it

0:44:56.040 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist. Her three accomplices did confess to doing all

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 2>those things while they were having their fingers ripped off

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 2>with red hot pinchers and being burned alive. One who

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 2>was I think you say, little person. He got off

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>lucky and he was just beheaded. It wasn't quick and

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 2>they never acted as witnesses in court. They just had

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 2>their confessions before they were tortured to death.

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Wait, so you're saying the killing of the young girls

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 3>to stay young thing was true?

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 2>No? No, so they didn't know. They didn't kill anyone

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>as far as they can tell.

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>No, so they only confess under torture. Yeah the deal.

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and.

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, she was never bricked into her castle. She was

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>just put under house arrest, despite theoretically having like personally

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 2>murdered more people than anyone before since it ever personally murdered.

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>And they just were like, whatever, you have to stay

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 2>in your castle because we successfully robbed you. It would

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>also take about thirty people's blood to fill a bath,

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and the detail about the blood baths was added to

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the folklore one hundred years after her death. There were

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 2>probably no lesbian orgies, which is the saddest part for

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 2>the word damn, And she acted the galpal, so is

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>she real? Yes? And I believe in the galpal being

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 2>gal pals mm hmmm, because and she wasn't accused of

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 2>witchcraft or satanism in court, just the murders. All the

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 2>witchcraft was added later. The Iron Maiden never really existed

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in Europe. It's an invention. Like the concept of the

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Iron Maiden is like so weird. The Victorians were like

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 2>kind of being like it was like a Victorian like

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 2>con artist was like, look at this murder thing that

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 2>the medieval people had pay me a dollar to go

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 2>look at it or whatever.

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.240
<v Speaker 3>Damn, that guy really grifted.

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. Speaking of more metal bands that

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.799
<v Speaker 2>came out of this. And you know, an iron maiden

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.839
<v Speaker 2>For anyone listening who doesn't listen to iron maiden, it's

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 2>an upright human shaped coffin with metal spikes that you

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 2>put the person in your close in and they die, right.

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 2>But it is true that they would sew people up

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 2>into the stomachs of horses. So maybe they did have

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 2>spikey boxes. It wouldn't surprise me if they had spikey boxes.

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, they also had things close to iron maidens.

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 2>They would like put you in like kind of a

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 2>barrel with spikes, but you the spikes don't puncture you

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 2>unless you move, so it's a like, hey, don't move

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of bullshit.

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:29.959
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you were rolling down a fucking hill,

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 3>that sounds worse than just a quick little snap of

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 3>the iron maiden, you know what I mean.

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true.

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.319
<v Speaker 3>That's that's bad.

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 2>And where did have an iron maiden? Was ninth century Bagdad.

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, the vizier Ibn al Zayat made a wooden

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 2>chest full of spikes and would like throw people in it.

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>But live by the wooden chest full of spikes, die

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>by the wooden chest full of spikes. And in eight

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty seven he got thrown into his own

0:47:58.320 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 2>box and killed.

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow, karma, I guess that's what you would call that.

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>But what but Torri was is really fucking interesting. She

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 2>was a healer and her accomplices basically were witches. They

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 2>were midwives and healers that she hired and her she

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>turned her castle into a place that taught women anatomy

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.479
<v Speaker 2>and medicine, which of course was all medieval as hell

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and involved blood letting and like burning people's wounds with

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>hot irons and shit. The like red handed that she

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:35.319
<v Speaker 2>got caught was well, actually, before I tell you that,

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.359
<v Speaker 2>you know who else will heal you and heal your

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 2>soul and give you the will to live. Everything that

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 2>comes after which we have personally that we have not

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:46.359
<v Speaker 2>personally vet it. The ads that are coming after are

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:47.800
<v Speaker 2>randomly generated.

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.240
<v Speaker 4>And we are back from those ads that we all

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 4>personally endorse and love because everyone who participates in capitalism

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.360
<v Speaker 4>appreciates their own role in the perpetuation of a society

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 4>that's destroying the entire globe.

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep ah, okay, where were we?

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Uh? Red handed? She was caught red handed.

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 2>So she was caught red handed which was because yeah,

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 2>she was there. She was in the middle of like

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she was in a middle of eating dinner,

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 2>but there was someone there who was being treated, a

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 2>young local woman who had been attacked by a wild

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>animal and so had like been taken to the castle

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>where you know, the weird ass countess with all of

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 2>her like weird ass probably lesbian witch friends would heal

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you up. And so that was where like the dead

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 2>bodies and stuff would come from that, and like there

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 2>were all of these you know, disease outbreaks happening at

0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the time that was killing a lot of people.

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 3>But interesting, that's that's a really unfortunate twist or like

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 3>way to change that story. And you know, like she

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:55.240
<v Speaker 3>was just uh because before you said but you described

0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 3>her as very smart, like knowing all these languages and

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.479
<v Speaker 3>like all this stuff, So it makes sense that she'd

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 3>be interested in like their version of medicine back then.

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Uh, that's that's a I mean, not surprised that I

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 3>got twisted that way, but it's unfortunate.

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's just like such a classic way that

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 2>like I mean it all has to do with witch

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 2>hunts and not serial murder, you know.

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also just like that stereotype of like, uh,

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's like a witchy stereotype, like an older

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 3>like someone uh like sucking the life out of a

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.879
<v Speaker 3>young person to stay young because that's what they because

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:33.400
<v Speaker 3>like it's vanity and like whatever.

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Totally, so in.

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 3>This case it was literal. But I mean you can

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.120
<v Speaker 3>say that about a lot of uh, I don't know,

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 3>shitty people.

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but in my head canon version, they're doing blood

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 2>letting and they're using leeches and shit on people. Why

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 2>not use some of that blood for your own skin?

0:50:55.760 --> 0:51:00.200
<v Speaker 3>So, I mean you said that when she was young,

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 3>her epilepsy was treated that way, right, I don't think

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 3>she's above that. I think if especially with these vampire facials,

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm calling them that because that's essentially what they are. Yeah,

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 3>there's blood, but they work apparently, and so yeah, I

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.320
<v Speaker 3>don't think she would have had to go on gone

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 3>out of her way if that, if she was already

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 3>doing healing and stuff anyway, like blood living, you know

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:24.919
<v Speaker 3>what I mean?

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And it's like, you know,

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:30.279
<v Speaker 2>because like people want to be like, aha, she was

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>actually perfect, right, Like she's still like in my head

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.280
<v Speaker 2>she still might have murdered her husband, who might probably

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 2>had it coming, you know, and she's still like I

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like it like we just don't know. Because

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 2>when things get muddied so completely by like misogynist trials

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 2>and the misogynist folklore, you take someone who is probably

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 2>genuinely really weird, but you don't know how you know?

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, Wait, so did you tell me how she died

0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 3>yet or no?

0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.040
<v Speaker 2>So she so she gets put on house arrest and

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.320
<v Speaker 2>she kind of just like waste. So she like doesn't

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 2>actually live all that long after that, but she doesn't

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 2>die of any like particularly notable way. Maybe she can don't.

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Kill her now, just like exile her.

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Essentially into her own castle. Yeah, but I banish There

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:20.399
<v Speaker 2>is one really interesting end of this story. Okay, So

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.720
<v Speaker 2>she was buried at the local church and the locals

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.040
<v Speaker 2>were like, no, what are you fucking doing. She's like

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 2>an evil vampire sorceress, demon from hell. Get her out

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.800
<v Speaker 2>of here. So she was moved to the family crypt

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.240
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else in the country. But that crypt was opened

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:39.760
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five and her body wasn't there.

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh damn, that's cool as shit, right, is Uh? That's

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 3>so interesting.

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>So maybe she was a vampire maybe. Okay, so she's

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:53.800
<v Speaker 2>like a healer vampire, right, who like occasionally has to

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 2>kill people, you know or whatever, but like mostly.

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 3>She's like, yeah, she uses her powers for good.

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, her husband sucks so away with him and you

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 2>know who.

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, where is her body that you have to wonder?

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't fucking know, Like maybe someone like unearthed her

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 3>to keep the legend alive or something. Oh yeah, total

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.279
<v Speaker 3>lot of effort though to like think about years and

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 3>years later, I don't know.

0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was before black metal kids were really

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 2>much of a thing, so like mm hmm. Although I

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 2>mean basically black metal kids have always you know, the

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>black metal kids in our hearts have been doing this

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of shit forever. So so there absolutely were some

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 2>women doing some poisoning, and like most cool things in history,

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 2>they wasn't done by a single person. And we're going

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 2>to talk the main Okay, we finished our side quest

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 2>and we're off to the main quest. We're going to

0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about a whole multi generational ring of women in

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 2>seventeenth century Italy. Collectively, they've got upwards of six hundred kills,

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:58.160
<v Speaker 2>which might make them the most successful serial killer group

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 2>in history. But as you can kind of pointed out

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the top of the hour, I think that murdering men

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.720
<v Speaker 2>who legally own you from whom there is no divorce

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.240
<v Speaker 2>should not be a crime, and neither should be providing

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the poison. So I don't really see them as serial killers.

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if anything, gets an act of self defense, because

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 3>who knows what they were experiencing to to like need

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 3>to have to do that.

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh we we unfortunately know, oh what they what they

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 2>were experienced. I won't get into the details about that.

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm prepared, prepared.

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And maddeningly, this beautiful, like multi generational group of

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 2>women gets their complex history has been reduced to a

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 2>legend of a single woman, which is also untrue. It's

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the era of arranged marriages seventeenth century Italy, So not

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.399
<v Speaker 2>only are women incapable of leaving unhappy marriages, they don't

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 2>even get to pick them at husbands in the first place.

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>They're basically auctioned off. So your best bet was to

0:54:56.520 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 2>be a aspiring widow and to get a sense for

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.320
<v Speaker 2>the life of married women. At the time, there was

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 2>a best selling book from the previous century, Rules for

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Married Life which advised husbands, you must be your wife

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>if she delights in standing at the window and willingly

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 2>lends a ready ear to any dishonest young men.

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow, the rule book.

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sir, what Yeah, them's the rules, Sophie.

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, k gates like forloringly or whatever out of window

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.880
<v Speaker 3>because it's the only thing that they could do and

0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't any TV.

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 1>They're like window, window, not fine door Okay, yeah.

0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, it's just such a like you can't Yeah,

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:44.839
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you can't even gaze forlornly out the wind, like, oh,

0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you better not be looking sad in your life, that

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I have made into a nightmare thoughts. Yeah, no, basically yeah,

0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 2>And so this is gonna be the murkiest story I've

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 2>ever told on this show, because it's the one I've

0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:04.280
<v Speaker 2>found the greatest variety of versions of. I'd even written

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 2>a ton of this script before I found a history

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:12.359
<v Speaker 2>book that basically threw out everything else. And so I'm

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna do my best. But I'll say that half the

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:16.400
<v Speaker 2>pop retellings of the story you'll find on various websites

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 2>are completely fucking wrong, and so mine might be completely

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking wrong. But again, I've read a fuck ton of

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.480
<v Speaker 2>sources around this try to piece it all together.

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, essentially all of history is made up.

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, no one actually knows whatever happened, and history

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 3>books are written by people that wanted to write them.

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 2>If that makes sense, Yep, absolutely, And I have so

0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 2>much respect for historians who actually just like do the

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:42.760
<v Speaker 2>work of trying to piece together all of these fucking

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.520
<v Speaker 2>things and be like, Okay, here's why the court record

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:47.719
<v Speaker 2>might be biased in the following ways, and here's why,

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I'm one of these pop historians I'm

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 2>complaining about because I'm not actually a historian. But uh,

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.919
<v Speaker 2>the story that gets passed into legend is that there's

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 2>a woman in Italy, Julia Tufauna. She's a second generation poisoner,

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and she concocted a poison that mixed arsenic lead and

0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Bella donna. It was odorless and flavorless when put into wine,

0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 2>that would kill a man with only four drops over

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the course of months. You do one drop like once

0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>a month or so, and it made the man appear

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to die of natural causes. She sold this poison to

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.760
<v Speaker 2>ambitious and evil women who wanted to rob their poor

0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 2>unsuspecting husbands. It was sold as Aqua tafauna, a cosmetic

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.400
<v Speaker 2>so as to not arouse suspicion, or alternatively a vial

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of holy water with Saint Nicholas on the label. Wow,

0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 2>this was a whole con Oh like, oh yeah, we'll

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 2>get to them.

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 3>An entire operation.

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Respect.

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Juliet Tafana supposedly worked for fifty years killing those six

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred people before being found out and executed in sixteen

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:49.240
<v Speaker 2>fifty nine, which is an awkward way for her to

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:51.000
<v Speaker 2>have to work for fifty years because she was born

0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 2>in sixteen supposedly born in sixteen, twenty thirty nine years

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 2>before supposed to death. Never mind such details. Fifty years,

0:57:57.760 --> 0:58:00.640
<v Speaker 2>six hundred people, all by herself. When she died, she

0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>passed on her legacy to her kid. And that version

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 2>of the story conflates a ton of people, Like I

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>was saying, so, I'll try my best to get it right.

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:10.360
<v Speaker 2>But this isn't like the Elizabeth Batore's story. Don't worry.

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 2>They actually did some murder, a lot of people getting poisoned,

0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 2>and the lies and the histories are around the motives

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and around who did the poisoning and the scope of

0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the world they lived in. But that's where I'm going

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to cliffhanger. It nice because that's where we're going to

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 2>leave it today. When we come back Wednesday, we're going

0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to hear the true story, which is actually cooler, like

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 2>just frankly cooler, and involves a whole underworld of magicians

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and witches and cities, which is cool, which is very cool.

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 3>You're a pro even I'm excited about that. Even there is.

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>DREI do you have any thing you'd like to plug? Uh?

0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Not particularly. You can follow me on the internet if

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 3>you want, but to be honest, I don't even post

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 3>on there anymore. I'm very disillusioned with the act of

0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 3>posting right now and have been for a minute. But

0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 3>you know what, follow me anyway give me a little

0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 3>ego boost when I say, when I see it on

0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 3>my phone, which is sometimes all I need.

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 1>And you you host a podcast with uh on an

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:17.960
<v Speaker 1>ambiguous and listeners can also catch you on on cools

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:20.960
<v Speaker 1>on Media's Daily Show. It could happen here like several

0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>times a month.

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, Sophie, can you just do all my fight

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 3>now on? I mean, because I appreciate that I do

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Margarets too, what.

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:37.200
<v Speaker 1>H so you could uh, you can follow Margaret on

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Twitter at Magpie kill yep okay, and you can follow

0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 1>her on on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy.

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:49.040
<v Speaker 3>I knew there was my handles, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow Sharene on Instagram at shiro hero and

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<v Speaker 1>you can follow Sharen on Twitter at shearer Hero six

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<v Speaker 1>six six.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, okay, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Really I really know that. Also, Margaret, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>book coming out. Correct or it is out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on tour for it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Margaret is recording in a in a car vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Very true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dedicated yeah to to Uh you know her book

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<v Speaker 1>and her podcast. Oh yeah that too, Margaret. What what

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<v Speaker 1>what's your book called? And where can people find it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's called we Won't be Here Tomorrow because we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be here Wednesday. No, I I've already made that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that was perfect though.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a book of short stories. If you like the

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things that I tell stories about here, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's witches or revolutionaries, you will find both in my

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<v Speaker 2>book about people who feed men to mermaids or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can get from a cake Press.

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