1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Tassia has still not disappointed. Uh. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: The guys actually so good I mean and the guys 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: actually I feel like for the first time, tastion has 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: been great. But these guys after after this week, I say, uh, 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: and tell me if I'm wrong, Like, they're not disappointing now. 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: They had disappointed me. Up until this week, I just 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: felt like I didn't know them, I didn't know what 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: was going on. And this week I'm leaving this episode 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: going these guys got something special. I wish I could elaborate, 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: but you know, I mean. So, Hey, We're back with 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: another episode in the Almost Famous Podcast. We're breaking down 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: tatious season. We have some incredible guests today. We wanna 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: tell you all listeners to tune in for the whole 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: episode because it's gonna be stacked full. We have Kenny 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: from this season of The Bachelorette coming on to talk 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: about everything behind the scenes his life. I'm sure Ashley's 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: super curious on his job and what a boy band managing, 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: um my gosh. And then we're gonna have right now 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: the Queen of the franchise Caitlin Bristow wanted to talk 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: about her victory on Dance with Stars and having the 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: mirror ball by her side now for a long time. 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristol will be coming on. But hey, we have 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines to break down, and Ashley, as usual, you 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: know that you are the expert on this and I 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: know I know these headlines do not disappoint. So here 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: we go. Let's dive in. Hey, let's do it. Bachelor 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: Nations are a lion. Dyke Junior reveals he tested positive 29 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen. It's been rough, he says this, according 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: to People magazine. Yeah, he came out on Thursday, said 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: that he was diagnosed with COVID nine days ago, which 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: is why he was not appearing on social media for 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: a while. She said that, you know they've been he 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: and Lauren and their daughter have been pretty far apart 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: from him the house at least twenty five ft away tomorrow, 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: as in like Friday. This past Friday, he got to 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: see if he was cleared and he was so um 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: that that that's it. Um. I didn't say anything about 39 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: his symptoms. I actually think that he was pretty much asymptomatic. Well, 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people right now around the 41 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: country and around the world are still struggling with this virus. 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: It's more prevalent than ever. So it's not a shock 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: right that r. Liondyke Jr. Has COVID, but we do 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: want to update you anytime people do. Now, speaking of illnesses, 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: there is somebody in the Bachelor Nation that is literally 46 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the picture of health typically. I mean, this guy Uh 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: runs ultramarathons, he does triathlons. He is a former professional 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: football player. I've been around him many times and he's 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: quite a few years older than me, but his activity 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: level and his UH endurance has always shocked me. And 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: so this is a weird story actually, and I want 52 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: to hear what you think. Bachelor Nations. Trista Sutter says, 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: husband Ryan's ruggling with a mystery illness. This according to 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: the online I know, this is so sad. So Tris 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: has said that he's at the point where he can't 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: work or cook, or exercise or even be with the family. 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: And they've been struggling this for months and struggling to 58 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: get answers. They did get a huge relief recently finding 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: out that he does not have cancer. Um, but there's 60 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: still no diagnosis for the discomfort that he's feeling. Um, 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: this is how horrible is that it's just scary with 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the unknown and and and again I want to emphasize 63 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: like this guy is like super healthy. I mean, he 64 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: takes health very seriously. He always has since I've known him. 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: He's pushed me, um to you know, to be a 66 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: just more active as I get older. And so this 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: is this is not something like gloss over like this 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: is there's something going on. And so they're in our 69 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers. And we'll try to update you as 70 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: this story continues. But it is something to watch his 71 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: Bachelor Nations, so your support for Ryan, interested in the 72 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: in the family, so sad um. Yeah, we'll keep you updated, 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: you guys. And I just want to go back to 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Ari's COVID diagnosis for a second. Like the headline was, 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: it's been rough. But yeah, even though he hasn't been symptomatic, 76 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: what he meant by it's been rough is that he 77 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: hasn't been able to do with his girls. For he 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: has been well touched you know, his family in over 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: a week. So that's what sucks about it, Ashley. There's 80 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: been rumors around this couple really since they got together, 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: Rumors that things weren't going well, things that that you 82 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: know they were that you know they were struggling, But 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: they continue to prove to us that things are going fine. 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Bachelor Nations uh Claire Crawley and Dale Moss spend First 85 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: Things Given together after engagement. Some a little confused by 86 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: this because he's from Minnesota, and I thought that most 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: of his family was living in Minnesota. Still right South Dakota. 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: I thought he was in South Dakota, South Dakota, Thank 89 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: you so South Dakota. But apparently they spent time with 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: some of his family in Lahoya, California this past Thanksgiving. 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: They drove down with a seven hour road trip. Claire 92 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: said that she loved the quality time with Dale. They 93 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: have a family farm there, so they got chickens. She 94 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: was running around the chickens on social media. We saw 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: them running around of the beach um. She said that 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: she was, you know, just seeing what she posted on 97 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: social She was saying that like they've been getting in 98 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: bed at like six o'clock, drinking hot chocolate, watching romantic 99 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: Christmas movies. She said that she very much enjoyed her 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: holiday with dale Um and I guess the family. It 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: sounds like a dream, sounds like an absolute dream to 102 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: go to bed at six o'clock drin chocolate with yours. 103 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't know's, I can't think of anything is much better? Hey? Uh? 104 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: Speaking to Claire, she came out this week on her 105 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 1: social media and said she's been going through things after 106 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: her bachelorette exit, and her quote is I am simply 107 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: trying my best Disaccording to people, the caption goes, Hi, 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: it's me Claire, not Claire that you've seen edited on 109 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: your television or social media squares, but the human with 110 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: feelings and securities, emotions, any normal life, just like you, 111 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: and just like you know, I'm going through things big 112 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: and small that all of us experience at some point 113 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: or another, just like you. I can be shy and 114 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: awkward or even fighting off my anxiety the best I 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: can that day. They are good days and bad days. 116 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: Being on reality TV does not exempt me or any 117 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: of us from that. I will do my best to 118 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: rise above the negativity and find the positive. But I'm 119 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: not a superhuman. So when you choose to pass judgments 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: without knowing someone personally, or even something as small as 121 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: a snide comment. Please remember that, just like you, I'm 122 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: simply trying my best. And then Dale responded to this 123 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: Instagram posting, You're never alone. Your strength, love and passion 124 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: has and will continue to help so many people out 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: there who may be afraid to share their struggles. It 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: can't be easy. I mean, her exit obviously was controversial. Uh, 127 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't what Batchel Nation was thinking was going to happen. Obviously, 128 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: Tascia has done a great job, but um, the you know, 129 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: the feedback coming after her exit has been tough, and 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: so it is always helpful to see people share vulnerability 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: and Claire has definitely done that. Now, we had just 132 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago our friends giving, and um, it 133 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: was awesome. It was really fun, and we actually had 134 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: a couple of really special guests from Batchelor Nation with us. 135 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: One of those guests was Crystal Nielsen, Well Bachelor Nations. 136 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: Crystal Nielsen reveals the sex of her first baby. Disaccording 137 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: to e she's having a girl. I kind of expected it. 138 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: I just vibed it, didn't you. Yeah, I mean, is 139 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: this weird? I don't know if this is gonna get 140 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: a lot of hate or not. But it just kind 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: of feels like Crystal is a girl mom. Yeah, She's 142 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: just like she's like, yeah, she's like a girl mom. Like, Um, 143 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just got that feeling so fun 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: and end that it's almost I almost can't imagine her 145 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: growing a boy. So Crystal Neilsen is having a girl. Well, hey, 146 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: actually this is a tough story. Um, this is this 147 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: is the worst. Yeah, this one really just shook um 148 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: and I shook me this week. Uh, the headline reads, 149 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: this Bachelor's Ashley Spivey is devastated by second pregnancy loss 150 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: after delivering beautiful son Christopher. Now you know, one thing 151 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: has happened here recently and uh, and moms and and 152 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: dad's are starting to become more open about their struggles 153 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: with pregnancy and it's becoming less taboo to talk about it, 154 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: and which is helpful for so many because so many people, 155 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: a large part of the population, do struggle to get 156 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: pregnant and then to carry a child. Well, this this 157 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: hit deep. This is according to US Weekly, So here 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: what happened? Ashley revealed to all of us that she 159 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: suffered a pregnancy lost on Thursday, November twenty six. Then 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: her caption reads we delivered Christopher James at four pm, 161 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: the Bachelor lum who was thirty six years old. Caption 162 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: and Instagram post like his namesake my dad. He was 163 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: taken too early from us. His death as a result 164 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: of a cord being wrapped around his neck. He was 165 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful with my eyes and dark hair and Steve 166 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: her husband's nose and lips. The former reality start concluded 167 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: that she and her husband are devastated by the laws. 168 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: So everybody's almost famous podcast. Uh and and I can 169 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: think I can speak for all of us listening, all 170 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: of Bachelor Nation. Um is is there to mourn with you, Ashley, 171 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: to take a second today and just think about how 172 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: lucky we are if we have had a kid or 173 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: you know that we are alive in this earth like 174 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: it does you know it did for me, Ashley, was 175 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: it made me take a step back and and every 176 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: once a while we have these moments where like just 177 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: being alive, like just having breath, um feels so sacred, 178 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: like it almost just like shutters you in a and 179 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: just like appreciation and thankfulness and um, so we're just 180 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: we're thinking of you. Ashley and her husband Steve. During 181 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: this tough time. Uh. Moving on Kindle Long Reveals if 182 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: she'd returned to Bachelor in Paradise and US Weekly's Candle 183 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: Light Confessions, she said that she tries to live as 184 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: if she's not depending on Bachelor World to find her 185 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: future husband, because then she would just be holding off 186 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: on finding love. Um. However, she said, she's had nothing 187 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: but amazing experiences and it has worked her in the past, 188 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: so if it worked for her once, maybe it could 189 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: work for her twice. She said, I'm not trying to 190 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: put all my eggs in the bachelor basket. I'm still 191 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: dating and I'm still single. Huh. It's uh, well, hey, 192 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: Kendall is always one that is intriguing, right, There's like 193 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: a lot of curiosity around Kindle So who knows what's 194 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: gonna happen next, but the Bachelor next timeline is The 195 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: Bachelor finally dropped a bunch of new Matt James promos. 196 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: This according to Cosmo Allton. So in these promos, we 197 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: see a couple of things. We see a contestant rolling 198 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: up in a carriage. We see a contestant arriving in lingerie. 199 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: Like I discussed with you last week, there's a contestant 200 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: literally falling over um. Hence the all the puns that 201 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: will have about falling from Matt. Then, of course we 202 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: see lots of Matt wandering in the foliage of Pennsylvania shirtless. 203 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: And then we have this new phrase, the Matchlor. I 204 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: don't know if that's like gonna work it the match layer, 205 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: the bachelor of the Matchler. I guess, so do you 206 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: think about that? Isn't a stretch? I think. I don't 207 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: think it sticks. I think mattice something else. The sticks 208 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: like the match. I don't think people are gonna be 209 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: going down in town and be like if you watched 210 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: the Matchlor this week, it's no Wanuary or Prince Farming. No, 211 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: it's not. But it works. And again we're super pumped 212 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: for that season. We have a great season of the Bachelotte. 213 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: Like we said, we're gonna break down today with special 214 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: guest Kenny, and then we'll break down the episode between 215 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: Ashley and I. But it is super exciting, um to 216 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: know that matches right at a corner. Well, hey, speaking 217 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: of right around the corner, We're gonna talk to Kenny 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: in a little bit about paradise. Do you feel over 219 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: go on or who he thinks will go on, but 220 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: until we do. Chris Harrison reveals plans for Bachelor in 221 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: Paradise return. It's going to be a murders row of 222 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: choices of people that meant wow, I'll tell you what. 223 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison is on one with the lines this year, 224 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what a word choice. So, I mean, 225 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: this has just been obvious to me. It's something that 226 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: I think about a bit. Because we didn't have a 227 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Bachelor Bachelor in Paradise season. That means that all the 228 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: girls from Peter's season UM are in contention to be 229 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: on the season of Paradise, as well as the guys 230 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: from Claire Slash, Tacius, Susan, and then um the girls 231 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: from Matt's upcoming season. So I have to say the 232 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: guys have it way easy in getting a slot in Paradise, 233 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: and these girls are going to have to fight to 234 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: the nail to end up there. I mean they have 235 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: they better have stayed semi relevant if you're from Peter season, 236 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: and the girls from Matt season are going to have 237 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: to really come with a splash because there's still the 238 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: same amount of spots or Paradise and there are two 239 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: seasons of females to fill them. It's uh, it's gonna 240 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: be exciting. I mean, I'm really pumped. And I know 241 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: a lot of fans out there who just really I mean, 242 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: some Bachelor Nation fans just watch Paradise like they don't 243 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: watch the regular seasons. They just love Paradise. I know 244 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people anxious and excited about this 245 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: season of Paradise and the fact that it is in 246 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: the works and there are plans being made, uh just 247 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: gets me all riled up. Well, hey, uh, we do 248 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: have Kenny coming on in just a second. Before we do, 249 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: let's take a break, uh, and we'll bring Kenny on 250 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: and then again a little bit. Well if Caitlin Bristow 251 00:13:53,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: talking about her time on Dance with the Stars, Okay, guys, 252 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean it would be wrong if I didn't introduce 253 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: the boy band manager Kenny. Kenny's on the line right now. 254 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: He was sadly eliminated last week. Kenny, your last name 255 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: is Brash. Yeah, yeah, that's right, all right, Kenny Brash. 256 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: It's still a lot, Kenny. You gotta tell me, like, 257 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: who do what boy bands? Do you manage? Is this 258 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: really your occupation or did they just give you this 259 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: title because you have fantastic boy band hair. You actually like, uh, 260 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: it's actually true. To believe it or not. It looks 261 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: like a joke, but um it's it's a it's a 262 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: boy band tribute band. So we we actually better. It 263 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: is better. So like when we play you would see 264 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, we we cover in sinc Bactory Boys, One Direction, 265 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: all Ben's favorites. Basically, this is my didn come true. 266 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: Can we watch? What's their name? It's just it's the 267 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Boyband Night. Uh and like after the night brothers like 268 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: come on. It's sort of named as an event, so 269 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: it's like you're going out and it's boyband Night. So 270 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of where the name came from. So it's 271 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: it's the boy Band Night Chicago on Instagram. But it's 272 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: a full band. It's like seven pieces, full band, the 273 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: whole deal. It's cool. Do they all have great boyband hair? Uh? 274 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Well they did. I don't know. I wouldn't go that far. Yeah, 275 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: they used to. Okay, how many bachelorette parties turn out 276 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: to boyband Night? Uh? That's our bread and butter. Actually, 277 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: So when we first started doing this thing, that that 278 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: was like our crowd was like a ton of bachelor parties. 279 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: Um the cluel. I mean, I don't know. The the 280 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: beauty of the act is that it's it draws like 281 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: eighty five women, which bars love to hear that when 282 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: we play there, it actually is an amazing contint like 283 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: it's a it's a I mean you should see Ashley 284 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: right now. She is literally her shoulders over her ear. 285 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: She's so giddy and anxious. I mean, I'm just gonna 286 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: stay quiet, Kenny, honestly, like I was excited to meet you. 287 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit back here. I have only one big 288 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: question for you that I'm gonna save to the end. 289 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: So Ashley, you just keep this boy band thing going 290 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: because I know this is your bread and butter. Okay, 291 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, because I was gonna it was 292 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a real down or if we had to 293 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: get into the show right now, he's your favorite boy band. Uh. 294 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: You know I always go and sync only because I 295 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: like justin timber Lake. You know, I'm I'm a big 296 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: JT guy. Yeah. Well, I mean, like I do have 297 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: so many and like they're different nostalgic periods of my 298 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: life associated with each, but I usually go in and sync, 299 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: but New Kids on the Block is really really close 300 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: for like personal reasons. But then but then, like musically 301 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: I have to say, I think like the most timeless 302 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: music comes from Backstreet. Yeah I agree, back I think 303 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: as an actual boy band band Backstreet because they're still 304 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: they're still like yeah, yeah, there's still. We actually did 305 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: a we did a thing with a J in January. Uh. 306 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: He was doing like a little side thing and he 307 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: like we we we played and he played with like 308 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: a DJ and it was kind of cool. But for fun, 309 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, all the boy banders you've met, 310 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: who has been your favorite? Because a J is definitely 311 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: up there on my list. He what a kind soul 312 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: he was on his podcast. Oh nice, Yeah he's he 313 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: was awesome. It was cool. We had him at where 314 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: I work, Miss I work at a venue in here 315 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: in Chicago, and he came out and he was cool, 316 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: like he hung out the whole day they were there. 317 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: We played. It was pretty awesome. Now a J has 318 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: a podcast with my Heart right, yeah, yeah, that's a 319 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: big deal. So give a little shout out to a 320 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: J's podcast, which is called Pretty Messed Up. It's a 321 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: good podcast and he's a nice guy. Nice guy. Okay, Well, um, 322 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: I will move on to other categories of your life 323 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: that I find to be very interesting, like the fact 324 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: that you you hate cheese. Now, then I think that 325 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I don't know where the hell that came from. I 326 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: think they had they made that up. I mean, I don't. 327 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't put cheese on a lot of but like 328 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: I'll eat cheese sometimes. Ben's pissed right now. No, I'm 329 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: actually all for this one, Like cheese messing up. Cheese 330 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: messes me up, like it's cheese and I don't get along. Um, 331 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: I eat it, but it doesn't we don't get along. 332 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Uh No. In fact, this is a great conversation because Kenny, 333 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 1: when somebody asked me about the almost famous podcast who 334 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: doesn't listen to you know how, I explain it to them. 335 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: And I've never told Ashley this. So I say, I say, 336 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: I have this amazing co host as Ken Eddie, who 337 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: could not be more different than me, like in every 338 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: interest in life, and so I oftentimes feel like the 339 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: dad who sits here and learns about what's going on 340 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: going on in pop culture because Ashley doesn't miss a thing, 341 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: like when it comes to boy bands, who's in a 342 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: relationship with who, who's hot and who's not? Like Ashley 343 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: is on top of it where and so like, my 344 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: job is super easy. My job is literally to sit 345 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: here and know nothing ever and just comment as we go. 346 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: It's a great job. It's a good gig. I gotta 347 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: apply for that job. Man, Well, you can't take it's 348 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: locked up. Well, hey, I want to start with my 349 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: question here, um, because we do have a lot of 350 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: the show to talk about. My question to you, Kenny 351 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: is how many buttons is too many buttons to be appropriate? 352 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: I think we I came to the uh conclusion that 353 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: three is appropriate. Anything past three is inappropriate, which I surpassed. 354 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: So for a guy like I think there was a 355 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: comment made in this season. I don't know if he 356 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: was by clear tass or somebody said, like Kenny literally 357 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have an ounce of hair on his body. So 358 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: a guy like me who his head honestly, yeah, it's 359 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: it's all going to the right places. Um. So for 360 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: a guy like me who uh likes to stay warm 361 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: in the summer, Um, how many buttons is inappropriate for me? 362 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: Or you got a lot of you got a lot 363 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: of us? Yeah, I gotta I got a thick sweater. 364 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: I got a thick sweater. Yeah, maybe I wouldn't go 365 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: past one then because unless it doesn't pop out, like 366 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: does it keeps it trimmed? I just you know, I 367 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: was watching this season. It was something I'm always interested 368 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: in when it comes to watching every season, is what's fashionable, 369 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: what's going on, Like, what what guys are doing? What 370 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: to you know, stay in shape? And I watched you 371 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: and I said, there's nothing that Kenny has it. I have, uh, 372 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: your your tan, uh, you have a lack of hair, 373 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: but yet you have a full mount of hair on 374 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: your head. So I'm just impressed with you. And that's 375 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: really all I needed from this whole interview was just like, Hey, 376 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: how many buttons can I I'm button because it feels sexy. 377 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm a chest hair fan, so I love like the 378 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: old school. I have another band that does like seventies 379 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: soft rock, and it's like, oh my god, I have 380 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: to go to Chicago. My other thing. There's boy bands 381 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: and soft rock. Okay, Like I know, Richard Marks is 382 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: more of like an eighties early nineties guy, but like, oh, 383 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: I can get just as passionate about Richard Marks as 384 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: I can about in sync. Continue, Sorry, Kenny, Yeah, no, 385 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: that was just that that like we do that. Those 386 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: guys have the chest hair out and the open shirt. 387 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: They're a little they're a little overweight. They got mustaches 388 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: and all the beard and and it's it's pretty cool. 389 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: So just like me. That's what you're saying you right now? 390 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Cool man? That feels good. Hey Kenny, how many women 391 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: have you met at these concerts that come out because 392 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: they're so geared toward women pretty much your age, your 393 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: you're you're the older guys right your thirty six? Holy crap, 394 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: how is that possible? Look at this man? Yeah, i'd 395 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: say your twenty nine. Looking at you on this time, 396 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hire you up. That's insane. All right, 397 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I was the oldest after after 398 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: Night one, so I think Jeremy was forty and he 399 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: got after he got eliminated. I was the oldest for 400 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: pretty much the whole time. What is how did that feel? Um? 401 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: Because I was the youngest, which you know obviously as 402 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: we see with this week, like you know, Noah and 403 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: I were the same age when we're on the show. Um, 404 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: and that was its own unique challenges right to kind 405 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: of prove that you had what it takes to be 406 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: in a relationship. Or when you get the question are 407 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: you really ready to settle down? You you'd have to 408 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: come to your head and say, I think so. I 409 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: don't really know, but I believe I am. What is 410 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: it like to be the oldest sitting in that room? Um? 411 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean I personally I loved being the oldest, but 412 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: I also don't People don't think I'm my age, but 413 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: at least my my thought process. I've seen a lot 414 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: of and experience a lot of being my age. So 415 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: it's cool to like look younger but also be able 416 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: to like think older, if that makes any sense. Um, 417 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: but like some of the like there's younger guys like 418 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: Noah and likedmar Is there like the same age, but 419 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: Damar was like super more mature. He came off more 420 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: mature than Noah. I felt like, So it's like I 421 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: think it's age. Does there is a thing with age, 422 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: But it's also the maturity level too that I don't 423 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: know if that makes sense, but totally makes sense. We 424 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: see ages a big you know theme in this week's episode. 425 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: Is it Easy to Date in Chicago? As the manager 426 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: of these bands who have so many women around your 427 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: age coming out to and then yeah, like, how is it? 428 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: Have you had good luck with women? Why going the 429 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: bats are at? Um? Yeah, I mean, honestly, I haven't 430 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: had great luck. I haven't. I primarily been single for 431 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: the majority of my adult life, outside of one relationship 432 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: that I had a few years ago, or I am 433 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: not that long ago, kind of maybe about eight months 434 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: before bachelort I was I had a relationship sort of 435 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: that was ending at that point. Um. But it's actually 436 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: kind of like I've been in the music venue banned 437 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: industry forever like twenty years almost now, and it's just 438 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: it's a pretty difficult, uh industry to be in and 439 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: also like keep a relationship. So The Bachelor was good 440 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: because when they when they when they were asking me 441 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: about going on, I'm like, well, ain't working for me 442 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, so maybe this this would work out. 443 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: So that that was kind of the approach with that 444 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: is because too many nights out. Um, it used to 445 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: be that. It used to be that, but I kind 446 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: of I kind of cooled that down a few a 447 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: few years back. You know, I don't really drink anymore. 448 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: I'm I pulled the Houdini at the shows, like I 449 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: dip out the back door when no one's looking. I 450 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: don't say bye to nobody. I go to bed early now. 451 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: But so, what is it then? I mean, okay, outside 452 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: of kind of your lifestyle, because you have pulled it back, 453 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: like we from my memory of the show, we didn't 454 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: get to really see what it is like that has 455 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: caused you to not be able to date or get 456 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: out there. What do you think is holding you back? Um? 457 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: I I just think it's me just being like not 458 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: wanting to just settle for anything. I don't know, I'm 459 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: just very I don't know if I don't want to 460 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: say it's like I have walls up or anything. Because 461 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: I went into the show fully prepared to just let 462 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: what ever happened happened. But I also wasn't going to 463 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: force anything. And that's kind of how I am. Like, 464 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, I I hung out, you hang out with girls, 465 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: and I just some stuff could have worked, probably and 466 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: I just didn't let it. The one main relationship I 467 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: had before the show probably could have worked h if 468 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: if I you know, if we wanted it to. But 469 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: she had moved the Chicago and it became a long 470 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: distance relationship and it became very difficult. Um, but it's 471 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: probably just me, I mean, just not wanting to just 472 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: it's just not wanting to settle for not to steal Clais, 473 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: like settle for guys like that line. But just I 474 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I'm not a post anything. It's 475 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: just hasn't happened. I guess, I don't know. Speaking of Claire, 476 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: described Claire and then described Tasia and your experiences with them, 477 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: good question. Oh man, Well, it's to me it was 478 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: they were polar opposite. Clear I I I don't even 479 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: know how to put that into words. Uh. And don't 480 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: get me wrong, She's she's not a bad person. I 481 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: have nothing bad to say. I just the whole the 482 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: way that whole thing went down, it was to me, 483 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 1: it just was like she was already dating Dale before 484 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: I stepped out of the limo. It seemed like so 485 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: I felt like she was closed off to everybody else, 486 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: no matter what. So but when Tasha came in, she 487 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: was like all about wanting to spend time with everybody, 488 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: like wanting to get to know everybody, like have a 489 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: convert even if if it's a few minutes. With Clear, 490 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: it was like I went like a couple of episodes 491 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: with like I didn't even talk to her for more 492 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: than like four seconds on like a group date, you know, 493 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was like with Tasia, 494 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: was like I spent time with Tasha like a lot, 495 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: even though it was like the same amount of time 496 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: that I was there with Claire as I was with Tassia, 497 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: but I spent a million more time, million more whatever Withasia. Yeah, 498 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: and then uh, and just Tasia just was I don't know, 499 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: she was just it just seemed like a more a 500 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: lot I don't know, I don't want to say nicer, 501 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: but just she just came off a lot easier to 502 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: talk to, sweeter, which, like I said, Claire might be 503 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: all of those things, but she just wasn't having it 504 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: with anybody else. I didn't think, Well, it's interesting because 505 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: you know Tasha. Tasha, I think, you know, has done 506 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: a terrific job at engaging in conversation and trying to 507 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: get to know the goodness. I mean, it's been maybe 508 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: the best I've ever seen done. And so what was 509 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: it like then sitting in the house because I'm from 510 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: my experience on the show. You know, it was very 511 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: clear to us during our show who Caitlin was most into, 512 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: and that changed it kind of it went back and 513 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: forth a little bit, like as we got farther along, 514 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: all of us were kind of more on a balanced 515 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: playing field, I felt like, But when you do start 516 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: to sense that, hey, she's really into this guy, and 517 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just like tagging along and kind 518 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: of getting in the way, it's a really hard feeling 519 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: when you're in an environment that is so un uh unfamiliar, 520 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: and you start to question a lot. What was it 521 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: like sitting in the house while Claire was there, feeling like, yeah, 522 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: she's not that into me, but I'm here and I 523 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: don't really know why. You know, what happened was and 524 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: since since since a lot of the guys felt that 525 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: way because of the way things were going down. What 526 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: really happened is like the guy has sort of became 527 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: very close the you know, that's that's kind of what happened. 528 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: And and there was I mean outside of obviously Dale, uh, 529 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, Blake a little bit, and Jason while he 530 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: was you know, Jason, while Claire was still you know, 531 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: because he didn't leave untill Claire left. But there was 532 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: only what two, three, may eight four guys that thought 533 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: they had something going on with her and the rest 534 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: of us kind of. I mean, not everybody was as 535 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: vocal as me probably about saying like, hey, she's not 536 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: in anybody right now, but I'm sure the guys felt it. Um, 537 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: but we came out. We're super close like that. The 538 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: group of guys that were left after Claire left, Um, 539 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: we're still to this day pretty pretty close to each other. 540 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: I know that might fizzle out at some point, but 541 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of That's kind of what it became. It 542 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: felt like it was just our house and like Claire 543 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: was not even part of it anymore. It was just like, hey, 544 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: this is our place now. It was weird. Are any 545 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: of these guys coming across totally different all the episodes 546 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: and they did in person? Um? Or is there somebody 547 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: who's not being highlighted enough that you loved and thought 548 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: deserved more attention? Yeah? Well, you know what, there was 549 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: some of the sweetest guys and the greatest guys. We're 550 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: quiet and they didn't know, so you're not seeing him 551 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: as much. You're starting starting to know a little bit 552 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: like Ivan Brendan um Zack see even Ben, you know, 553 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: like those dudes like they weren't involved in like drama 554 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: or sort of outspoken about that's going on. So um 555 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: But honestly, like those guys are like the nicest dudes 556 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: and the sweet like the sweetest guys. Like those guys 557 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: are unbelievable, and I think people are still obviously, I 558 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: think they're starting to get people are starting to see 559 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: that now, but it's taken how many weeks before people 560 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: actually knew those guys too much. It's taken longer than 561 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: any other season. It's so wild because I think it 562 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: was like episode four or even five where I was like, 563 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe we're four or five weeks into this 564 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: and I still don't feel like I know these guys. 565 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't feel attached to any of them, Like this 566 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: a weak group or is it just because of like 567 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: the way that Claire has carried this season? And now 568 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: in week are we week eight already, I'm like, Holy Moley, 569 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: they're fantastic. I love them. This is a great group. 570 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: But in the turnaround happened fast, thankfully, because I just 571 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: can't believe how long I went feeling detached from them. 572 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: Um do you did you ever see Bennett break character? No? 573 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: I have a theory actually after this week's episode. I 574 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: don't think he I don't. I think we've been saying 575 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: it's a character character, but it's really it's him. Well, 576 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: as let's ask Kenny, he knows him better, Like is 577 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: it him putting on a like a front or is 578 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: that just who he is? No, that's that's that's a 579 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: that there there's no character there. He's just a character 580 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: and that's him. He is a character. He was just 581 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't make this up with this guy. 582 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean where I don't even know where he came from, 583 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: but it's him. It came from Harvard. Um you. So 584 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's confused by the fact that we 585 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: all think that he's hilarious because he's playing a character 586 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: and leaning into this caricature. Sorry that there's no other 587 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: word to say it. And now is is he puzzled 588 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: by the fact that we are so entertained by him? 589 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Or like, is he possibly offended or is he like, oh, 590 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: people just like me. I just I think he just 591 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: thinks people just like him, like he just said. I 592 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: don't think he's He's a Harvard guy, so he was. 593 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: He expects everybody to like him. He expects all this, 594 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: you know. He he would have been pissed if he 595 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't get all that. Well. Another behind the scenes question 596 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: would be this week, there's a really interesting thing that 597 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: happens where Blake makes this like, uh, penis at a 598 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: clay and and so, and then like the storyline starts 599 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: to shift to like, hey, this is just too Blake 600 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: is He always talks about sex. Everything is about sex, 601 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: but we've never seen it. So for me as a fan, 602 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what they're talking about. Now, 603 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: can you live in the house with him? This is Blake? 604 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: Like what do they mean when they say this? Yeah, 605 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Blake always had some story with some 606 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: weird stories about just random just so when he made 607 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: the penis out of clay, it was like, oh, that's 608 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: classic Blake. It's just alright. So, Kenny, you're giving us 609 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: so much good behind the scenes gossip. We want a 610 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: little bit more from you, but we're going to have 611 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: to do that right after this break. Kenny. We saw 612 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: you leave last week, which was obviously sad. Did you 613 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: expect it or not? Um? So I I sort of did, 614 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: um just because that the day before the group date 615 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: was the truth or dare and then that night at 616 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: the cocktail part of it. Um, I just I don't know. 617 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: Me and her head are a little time together, and 618 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: I could just I could just tell that she one, 619 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: I I know, she didn't think I could be serious 620 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: because I was always kind of just having fun. But um, 621 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: which isn't true. I mean I could be serious, but 622 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: we didn't have enough time together for her to see 623 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: that side of me. But I just I just had 624 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: a feeling that things weren't clicking. Um. She she was 625 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: always like sort of like I mean, and her retire, 626 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: you know that that was the one thing about the switch. 627 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: Like me and Claire were the same age, patious ten 628 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,479 Speaker 1: years younger than me, So that kind of threw things 629 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: off for me a little bit. And um, she she 630 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: always brought up like I live in Chicago, she lives 631 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: in l A. Like when I moved to l A. 632 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: That came up in a lot of conversations, and I just, 633 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just got the I just think 634 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: that she just didn't think that it wasn't gonna pan out, 635 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: you know, which which is fine, it's probably true. So 636 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: Chason also got eliminated that at that Row ceremony, and 637 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: he had like a weird storyline like first it seems 638 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: like she really liked him, he's maybe kind of front runner. 639 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: Then there was drama, then the drama kind of disappeared, 640 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: and then he was eliminated. Can you giuse a little 641 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: more insight as to what happened with him? Like who 642 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: he was in the house? Um, yeah, yeah, it was. 643 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: It was kind of strange how things panned out. What Chasing, 644 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: the whole Chase and Ed thing. Um, at the end 645 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: of the day, like Chasing is like he was one 646 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: of the dudes. He was very cool, uh, nice guy. Um, 647 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: you know he was. I don't know, it was that 648 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: that whole like that whole bickering thing. I'm not I'm 649 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: not sure. Uh if that, you know, obviously didn't work. 650 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: I think it hurts Chasing obviously. Uh, I'm not sure 651 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: if it helped Chasing or Ed in the long run, 652 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: or if it hurt him. I guess I don't know, 653 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: or it's just nothing, but I think that all that 654 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: bolt that was going on probably through Tassia off and 655 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: just you know, it's like if there's too much. She 656 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: might have just moved on to the next guy and 657 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: sort of just he might have just got kind of 658 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: screwed on it, I think. But at the end of 659 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: the day, like Jason, he's a good dude to me, 660 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, I like him. He's still a friend of mine. Yeah. Well, uh, Kenny, 661 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: we did a good question from one of our listeners. Uh, 662 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: and I think it's a fun one. You can put 663 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: your name in this category if you want. If you 664 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: don't want to, don't worry about it. But uh, they 665 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: wrote in and said, which men do you think we'll 666 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: go to Paradise? Which men do you think will leave 667 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: this season? And we'll never hear from again? So can 668 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: you I'll throw it to you if you had your 669 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: list of expected paradise people. And hey, if you know 670 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: how this season plays out, please this is not a 671 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: spoiler show. Uh, you know you could just you don't 672 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: have to go there. But what who are some guys 673 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: that come to mind? Um? You know, I just from 674 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: where we are now, I feel like, yeah, I feel like, 675 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, maybe Bennett Um, Blake, Um, maybe Chasten Uh 676 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: and you know some of the I just I feel 677 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 1: like those the guys that were a little more outspoken 678 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: and stuff and more involved. I'd say those those those ones, 679 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: uh maybe even I don't know, like like I said, 680 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: some of that, I don't know like that, Like I 681 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: named those other four guys, they were a little bit quieter, 682 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: but they're starting to come out of the shell a 683 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, they're you know, more of the sweeter 684 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: guy category. But definitely I feel like Bennett Blake chasing 685 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: type situation. I think, what about your substance? What about you? Um? 686 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if if I get the invitation, I'm in 687 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I'm in for it. I 688 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: just I don't know. What do you think? Man? Well, 689 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: I think you'd be great at it. I mean, we'll 690 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: come on like you're you're set up for it. I'm 691 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, your wardrobe is already set up 692 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: for the beach. I mean, it's if if it's hot outside, 693 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: unbund a couple of buttons and nobody's gonna question you 694 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: on that. And that's great. But yeah, I mean the 695 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: guys that come to my mind, I think you gotta 696 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: throw some of those quieter guys in there, right, You 697 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: have to throw some of the guys that are that 698 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,479 Speaker 1: are super nice, super sweet, little quiet out of the drama. 699 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 1: I think those are the guys that you see really 700 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: find relationships in Paradise. Then you always have the shocker 701 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: that finds a relationship in Paradise, like the more outspoken guys. UM, 702 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: I think you're I think you'd be a great choice. 703 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: I think Bennett's gonna be there just because he's he's 704 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: been it, and I think he's got to be I mean, 705 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: we're saying this is not knowing what happens to him 706 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: next week, but you're right, But I think we're all 707 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: saving that Benedetation may not be living happily ever after. 708 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: It's hard to say. It's hard to say, but yeah, 709 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: that's uh, that would be my thought. I think there's 710 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: a good group. I think Paradise will be a lot 711 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: of fun this year because you have taken a year 712 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: off and it's gonna be stacked with some incredible, incredible people. 713 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: I want to I want to wrap this interview up 714 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: with who was the front runner in your mind when 715 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: you left? So like, not now, not after this episode, 716 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: not knowing what you know in your men group chat, 717 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: but when you left, UM, when I did my exit interview. 718 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: I knew there was two. Could I name two? Or 719 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: do you want one? Oh? No, no no, no, you can 720 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: name two. So when I when I left that night, UM, 721 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: I said Brendan Or and or Ivan were my like favorites. 722 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: That's it's to end up with t. I love that 723 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: you just mentioned two people that are quieter like. I 724 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: like that we don't have this like clear cut front 725 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: runner that we're all like, holy cow, she's head over 726 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: heels four and like this is over with. I like 727 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: that we're I mean, I'm on edge so many weeks 728 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: in going. I don't know who she's going to choose. 729 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: There's some great guys, but like, I don't know who 730 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: it is. So I'm glad you said that. And it's 731 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 1: and it's so close to the end and there's still 732 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: like so many guys that could be. It's it's cool, 733 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: it's cool. I agree with you. Ben, there's no clear 734 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: cut front hunter. But dude, do I have the vibes 735 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: of the finale game between Ben and Zach Ben? That's 736 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: that's really in there that I would not have chosen 737 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: that really, I know. I mean, we'll talk about him 738 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: later and they talk about it later, but I'll tell 739 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: you why Ben's doing something that are really thrown me off. 740 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: But I'm I'm trying to vibe optation. This is great. Hey, 741 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: can you you're the best man. Thanks for coming on. 742 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: Wishing you all the luck. I know that right now 743 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: during COVID especially, your industry has been hit hard, um 744 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: and so we're rooting for your thinking about you and 745 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: thanks for taking your time and coming on the Holmelest 746 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Thank you man, Thanks guys, Thanks Ashley, thank you. 747 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. Bye bye bye. Now we're going 748 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: from Kenny to Caitlin the Dancing Queen herself. Let's get 749 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: her on the phone. Hi, guys, Hello Lan. She is 750 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: the Chapion my friends queen, and she is the bachelor 751 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: Queen to the She's been really big into the singing 752 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: thing on the podcast recently. It's it's it's really dancing 753 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: Queen to the end. Songbird over there. Actually, Caitlin, how 754 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: in the world do you have any energy right now? 755 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how I'm doing it. I well, 756 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll tell you how because I got 757 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: out of bed at noon today and I've been just 758 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: sleeping as much as possible, and so coffee and sleep 759 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: has been my best friend. What kind of coffee you've 760 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: got in there? Like? Is that a good holiday drink? No, 761 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm so boring. It's just a black Americano you not 762 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: from Starbucks? Those are hard I agree, I you know what, 763 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: I just I'm going to take what I can get 764 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: at this point. It's not generous, so I don't care 765 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: what it is. Um, it's not generous coffee that that 766 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: hurts my feelings. But well why wait, why is it 767 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: not generous coffee? I'm so sorry. You know what, I'll 768 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: do better than that next time. Thank you, Caitlin. You 769 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: know I was gonna offer to send you some coffee, 770 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: but then I heard it. Uh. A comment by Charles 771 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: Barkley this week on the Match and he says, you 772 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: know the best part about being rich and famous, uh 773 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: is all the free stuff you get. And so I'm 774 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: not sending you anything because you just want to dance 775 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: with the stars. You can afford it, you know what, 776 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: I think? I think the best part obviously I'm not 777 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: rich and famous, but I'm like you, no, no, I'm 778 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: almost famous. The best part for me about like having 779 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: friends that are like got their own business is going 780 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: on is supporting them, So let me buy your coffee. 781 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 1: Thank you, Caitlin, You're the best. Hey, uh, Caitlin, let's 782 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: get to it. You've done I've done a lot of 783 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: stuff recently. I want to backtrack too. I don't know 784 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: how many months ago it's been now, Um, but you know, 785 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: obviously we've spent some time together. I always have known 786 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: that Dance with the Stars is something that you've been 787 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: super passionate about, super sided for it's fit you. Actually 788 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: I talked about like if this show was made for you, 789 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: and it feels like it had to happen at some 790 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: point it did. My question for you is why. Now 791 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: that's a great question, ben Um. I think things happen 792 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: in life for a reason. Um. I believe that if 793 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: I went on the show five years ago when I 794 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: had the contract, I don't think I would have won. 795 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I was in the right headspace. I 796 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: don't think Artem was actually supposed to be my partner. 797 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't think we would have been the team that 798 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 1: we were today. And I think that the universe works 799 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: in these magical ways where five years later, after dreaming 800 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: about it and thinking about it, I could appreciate it 801 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: more and be in a better physical mental state of 802 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: my life to do what I needed to do to 803 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:52,240 Speaker 1: win it. I recently had Jenna Johnson on my other 804 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: podcasts and she know she lost to you, which is, 805 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, good for us, but sad for her. Yeah. 806 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: She said that there is no sort of choosing your partner. 807 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: You can't send little notes saying like I want to 808 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: be partnered with this person. How did you get to 809 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: be with Arnhem? I think, I mean, I'm sure you 810 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: can do that. Whether they take it and say okay, 811 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: we'll do that for you, I doubt it. But um, 812 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: I honestly, I honestly didn't really care who I got 813 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: because I was just so excited to be there. But 814 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: when I found out Artem was coming back on the show, 815 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: I just thought it was serendipitous that we were supposed 816 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: to be partners five years ago and now we get 817 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 1: to be partners. And um, I just love his style 818 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: of dancing. I've always loved his choreography on the show. 819 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: And I guess I just got super lucky. I don't 820 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: know if they were like, oh, they're supposed to be partners, 821 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: that would be really cool if they were again, um 822 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: and this time it worked out. But um, I would 823 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: have been happy with anyone. But now going through everything, 824 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, he's my partner for life. M h. Now, 825 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: we always hear from people who've gone on the show. 826 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: One I just had to clarify something. You said he 827 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: was supposed to be your partner years ago? Were you 828 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: like on? Like were you going on the show? Like, 829 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,879 Speaker 1: I don't remember this, Okay, So five years ago I 830 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: was supposed to go on, but because of contracts and 831 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: certain things, I ended up not being able to go 832 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: on UM. And it was so last minute that Artom 833 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: actually didn't get to dance that season because of it. 834 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, five years ago I was supposed to UM, 835 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: but still under other contracts and couldn't do it. That 836 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, um, we always hear from people who 837 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: have gone the show how difficult the process is, like 838 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: physically difficult. Can you give us a picture behind the scenes. 839 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: I think it would help us all, like even admire 840 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: your accomplishments to a great amount. They're so ugly. My 841 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: feet are the ugliest feet. Like I remember from how 842 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: old was I when I went on point shoes? I 843 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: was young. I remember getting my first pair of point 844 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: shoes and going in and I was like, oh, my 845 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: feet will never look the same um and it's it's 846 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: actually such a grind to be on that show. And 847 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: I've had friends that have been on it, and they 848 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: all told me, you know how how challenging physically demanding 849 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: it was, and even mentally challenging because of the hours 850 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: and lack of sleep and pain that goes in through 851 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: your body. But it's crazy. I mean, you're in the 852 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: studio for six hours a day, seven days a week, 853 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: there's no days off, and you're putting your body through 854 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: stuff that you've never done before for hours and hours 855 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: and hours, and in heels and you're doing these lifts 856 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: and certain things that you've never done before. I actually 857 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: have an X ray coming up because I think I 858 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: fractured a rib. I can't even breathe in fully right 859 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 1: now without killing me. My feet are torn apart. Every 860 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: day was just an actual grind because I think Artem 861 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: and I really we were. We both were on the 862 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: same page with wanting to work so hard. So we 863 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: got in there and it was like no messing around. 864 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: We just danced our butts off for six hours a day, 865 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: and I both of us were just dancing through injuries 866 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: the whole time. What was your greatest relief like when 867 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: you got home from practice, Like, what did you look 868 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: forward to? Oh? My gosh, honestly, thank the Lord Jason 869 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: Tardi because obviously the dogs. I would come in the 870 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,400 Speaker 1: house and the dogs acted like they haven't seen me 871 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: in their whole lives. It was so magical. But Jason 872 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: would always make sure that there was a glass of 873 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: wine ready for me, that if we wanted like Postmates 874 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: or sushi, or he would cook like he always just 875 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: made sure when I came home it was the most 876 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: zen atmosphere because he always knew how stressed out I was. 877 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: The first few weeks that I was there, I'm like, 878 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: nothing could basee me. I'm so happy of the dance studio. 879 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: And then once, you know, weeks and weeks of doing 880 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: something like that I was, I would come home and 881 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 1: just be like, how am I gonna do this for 882 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: however many more weeks? But at the same time, trying 883 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: to have so much gratitude for just being there. I 884 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: tried to love every blister, appreciate my like strength with 885 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: battling through ankle injuries and rib injuries because it was 886 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: all just part of it. And can we just talk 887 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: about Jason being like the greatest cheerleader of all time. 888 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 1: It was almost as much fun watching him react to 889 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: your performances and you're a win that it was watching 890 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: you win, Caitlin. I know you're busy, and I know 891 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: you've got a lot going on, so we're gonna let 892 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: you go here in a second. But I do want 893 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: to ask you, um, something I've been wondering because you, 894 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,280 Speaker 1: like if you have listened at all, Like we're so 895 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: happy for you and celebrating you. Um, but there's this 896 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: thing that happens in the world where you have this 897 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: like pinnacle moment and you've done something that you've hoped 898 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,479 Speaker 1: for for five years and you finally made it happen, 899 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: and you just didn't make it happen, you want it 900 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: Like you are the champion of this thing. You were 901 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: the best, You were the fan favorite. I can't even 902 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: imagine how that feels to know that people out there 903 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: voter treaty like you that much. Um, what now and 904 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: like what is next? Like how does it feel now 905 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: to be in a place that this has happened. I 906 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: am such a freak, Like I swear to God I said, Okay, 907 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: once I I think I think a lot of people 908 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,319 Speaker 1: can relate this to um to this to where you say, 909 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: once I have this, I'm gonna be so happy and 910 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: fulfilled and status. I don't once I do this and 911 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: if I get this, I'll be so happy, and obviously 912 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: I am, but I'm always like, Okay, once I get 913 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: the mirrorball, that's it. I'm like, I'm going to focus 914 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: on my podcast at home, I'm going to just be 915 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: like involved in my businesses and have babies. And then 916 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: now that it's here, I'm like, oh wait, I just 917 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: got the mirrorball. What else could I do? Uh? So 918 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I really don't know what's 919 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: next or what even my plans are. I'm kind of 920 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,359 Speaker 1: just like at this point of course in I'm like, uh, 921 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 1: I would love to go just spend time with family. 922 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 1: That's what I've been craving so much. I'm so close 923 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: with my family and i'ven't seen them in almost a 924 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,879 Speaker 1: year and that's the longest I've ever gone in my life, 925 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: and it's just devastating. All I want to do is 926 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: go just spend quality time with people that I love 927 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: right now and that's really difficult. So I have no 928 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: idea what's coming next. Um, maybe maybe more music, just 929 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: because I love doing that. I find writing and singing 930 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: so therapeutic and it actually really helps with my anxiety 931 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,720 Speaker 1: when I write music. And maybe I'll do that because 932 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm in Nashville. Yeah, well music fits you. You're obviously 933 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,279 Speaker 1: really good at it. Um, Caitlin, we are gonna um 934 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: in this here, we are going to bring you back 935 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: for your holiday gift guide because obviously who would give 936 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: better gifts than Caitlin Bristow. But Caitlin, we are so 937 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: happy for you ash and I've been celebrating you. Um. 938 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: It's really cool to be so on team Caitlin. So 939 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: congratulations from all of us here at the Almost Famous Podcast. 940 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you guys so much. You guys are 941 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: always so supportive and sweet and great. I'm just so 942 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: lucky to have you both as friends and love being 943 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Thank you. Know well, you are truly inspiring. 944 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,839 Speaker 1: It's like when you want to do something, you do it, 945 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: and you do it so so well. Thank you guys. 946 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,879 Speaker 1: Let's start off with Zach's one on one date. Then, 947 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: why is it that every guy who gets a one 948 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,720 Speaker 1: on one becomes my new favorite. It was like, first 949 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: I didn't even know who Rendon was, and then Brendan 950 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: became a favorite, then who with the one on one? Who? Ivan? Oh? 951 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 1: And then I loved Ivan And now this week we 952 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: get Zack and I feel like he's my front runner. Now, well, 953 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: can I share a theory with you? I think we 954 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: had such low expectations for these guys because we didn't 955 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: know them, and we were so disappointed, like three or 956 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,919 Speaker 1: four weeks into the season, where we're like, wait, none 957 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: of these guys we know, we don't know them, We're 958 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,360 Speaker 1: not going to know them, We're not gonna have connection 959 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,800 Speaker 1: with any of them. So when a guy finally shows 960 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: up and we actually get to know their story, which, again, 961 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: as we say every year, when you know somebody's story, 962 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: it's really hard to hate them. Why do the in depth? 963 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: Yes exactly, It's why we do the in depths. But 964 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,959 Speaker 1: like once you hear people's stories and you you start 965 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: to go, wait, no, this guy would be great for Tasha, 966 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: or this guy would be great for somebody, Like they 967 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 1: just become your favorite because you're hoping for that for 968 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: so long. Yeah, Well, I have to say with Zach, 969 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: the way that they look at each other, like you 970 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: can feel this energy, like a little bit of like 971 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: sexual tension, a little bit. You feel the nerves and 972 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,239 Speaker 1: the butterflies that you don't with some other people. You 973 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: can feel their walls going up, which in some ways 974 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,760 Speaker 1: is a good sign. And they even discussed this last 975 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: week where she was like, I feel my walls going 976 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: up with you, which almost makes it feel like there's 977 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: something so strong there that you're trying to protect yourself 978 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,479 Speaker 1: from from it, you know, and I'm with you, there's 979 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: something that I mean. However, we said this for last 980 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, Like, I think Tasha has done a 981 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: tremendous job of getting you know, the guys. I also 982 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: think this is gonna be really hard for her in 983 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: the end, because what Tassia has done is she's invested 984 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,320 Speaker 1: herself into each one of these relationships, and she's connected 985 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: with these guys in ways that we don't usually see 986 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,839 Speaker 1: on a season three weeks in. I mean, she's only 987 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,319 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks into her season, right, and she's 988 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: so deep now into it that like we we hear 989 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: the Zach conversation, we hear the Ivan conversations, we hear 990 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: the Brending conversations and we're like, wait, there's something special here. Well, 991 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: because Tasia is allowing and I think these guys are too. 992 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't don't dismiss the guy's work here, but like 993 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: they're allowing something special to happen. And that's when things 994 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,919 Speaker 1: get really fun for the show, but it also gets 995 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: really hard for the lead. Yeah, all these guys have 996 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: had stories to unveil during these one on ones. So 997 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: when I first saw that they were going to do 998 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: wedding pictures, I was like, are you freaking kidding me? 999 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: We're doing wedding pictures again. But this is my favorite 1000 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,839 Speaker 1: wedding picture date because both of them were so uh 1001 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: not really thrilled about doing it because they both have 1002 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: been married before. And then we find out for the 1003 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,239 Speaker 1: first time that Zach was married and he has this 1004 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: huge his like heavy history. Uh can I can I 1005 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,880 Speaker 1: make a comment here? I'm really not a fan of 1006 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,920 Speaker 1: these wedding picture dates, Like, no, me neither, because you 1007 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: think that that moment should just be reserved for the 1008 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: actual wedding day. Yeah, and like most of these dates 1009 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: that are done on the show, like, yes, they're luxurious 1010 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: and you like we would never be able to do 1011 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: them without the show. However, they're like at least somewhat accomplishable, 1012 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,360 Speaker 1: meaning like you can at least say, like think, Okay, 1013 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: I could maybe if I had enough money flying a 1014 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: helicopter and land at some beautiful island. But like, who 1015 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: in the right mind would ever go on a first 1016 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: date and say, let's go get wedding pictures? Like this 1017 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: is just like so awkward at every level. Okay, you 1018 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: actually have a fantastic point there. I felt like this 1019 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: of all the wedding date pictures, this one worked the 1020 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: most just because they both have been married before. But 1021 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: I also agree with you when you take it out 1022 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,399 Speaker 1: of the contacts of the show, how freaking bizarre is it? 1023 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,800 Speaker 1: And I do think it's a sacred moment that should 1024 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,399 Speaker 1: be shared shared only on that day. Uh, I can't 1025 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: actually imagine. I would actually be pretty passed if I 1026 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: had to put on a wedding dress which I never 1027 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: had to you on the show, and then show a 1028 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,360 Speaker 1: guy who wasn't going to end up being my husband. 1029 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,360 Speaker 1: It would be weird. Ash well, Hey, speaking of sacred moments, 1030 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: this whole date with him at the you know, evening 1031 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: portion felt very sacred. Uh. They both opened up and 1032 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: and related on many things. Like you'd mentioned, they've both 1033 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: been married before. But then we got to know more 1034 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 1: of Zach. Zach could kind of hinted before that, hey, 1035 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to him than she knows. And 1036 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 1: he shared it during this date that you know, he had, uh, 1037 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,880 Speaker 1: suffered from a brain tumor um and had that removed. 1038 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: But at the same time he opened up about his 1039 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: kind of shortcomings when it came to his first marriage 1040 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,680 Speaker 1: and then how he kind of spiraled from there. Um, 1041 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's just me and and maybe 1042 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: there's a better way to say this, but anytime there's 1043 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: vulnerability to this level, like where you know, it's not 1044 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: just somebody saying the right words at the right time 1045 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: to make something work. No, when it's when somebody's sharing 1046 00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,160 Speaker 1: something that they know could be criticized, they know is 1047 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: going to have a mixed opinion. It's scary, but it's 1048 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: their story. Like, I gain a lot of respect for 1049 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: anybody on this show that does that because I think it. 1050 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 1: I want to it fits into their their relationship and 1051 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,720 Speaker 1: it makes them know each other better. But second, it's 1052 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: not easy to do especially when cameras are around. So 1053 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 1: I had a lot of I had a lot of 1054 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,959 Speaker 1: love for Zach coming off of this date me too, 1055 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: And you can see that he's just recovered so well 1056 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: from the stuff that he's been through and it made 1057 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 1: him a better man. In the end, he comes across 1058 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 1: very mature. I really like it for Tasia now to 1059 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: skip ahead for a bit, because we are going to 1060 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: continue to break down this episode, but it is the 1061 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: right time to do this. Now we have all this 1062 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: love for Zach and we've seen him open up and 1063 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: be vulnerable, and we've also seen him share like, hey, 1064 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,520 Speaker 1: things have been a little messy, Like my story is 1065 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,200 Speaker 1: not simple and it's complex and there's a lot of 1066 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 1: different things to it. Now we see in the preview 1067 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, and at the end 1068 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: of the episode it looks like Zach. Something happens with 1069 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: Zack that he becomes like almost the villain or there's 1070 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: something that goes wrong. Now, again, these are previews, and 1071 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: they always are meant to get us talking, and they're 1072 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 1: always meant to get us like shaken up. But that 1073 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: was a little bit like sad for me to see, 1074 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: I think coming off of this date me too. I'm 1075 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,919 Speaker 1: trying to write it off as just one line that 1076 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: is out of context. I think that he's going to 1077 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 1: go very far. What I also liked about what we 1078 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 1: see from Zack at the very end is in like 1079 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: kind of like the blooper or like lighthearted feeling clip 1080 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: that we get during the credits. We saw that not 1081 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: only does she drive with his serious side, but very 1082 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: much with his lighthearted side too, and they were having 1083 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: a blast on that ferris wheel. It was just like 1084 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 1: a fun, very real life moment. Yeah, it feels like 1085 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 1: they're comfortable with each other and they're connected. I do. 1086 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: I think Zax and we go far. Well, so we 1087 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,600 Speaker 1: see the drama in the house with the guys hoping 1088 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,439 Speaker 1: for the one on one. Well, uh, we obviously see 1089 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: that the group date is called and uh, but the 1090 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: men on this group they have to walk into I 1091 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: think a scene that like I was on the edge 1092 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: of my seat actually, and here's why. You know, The 1093 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: Bachelor got a lot of flak for the Dodgeball date 1094 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, and I was like, 1095 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: are they going to do this again? Like, are they are? 1096 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,880 Speaker 1: Are we gonna? Are we about to see these dudes 1097 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,360 Speaker 1: getting naked again on this season. Even Blake makes fun 1098 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: of it. He's like the third time all be getting naked. Yeah, 1099 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely wild, because there's just there's just nothing 1100 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: about being naked on national television, and especially when you're 1101 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 1: like you know this girl, but you don't know where 1102 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,880 Speaker 1: that well, like none of that feels good to me, 1103 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: Like I would hate like and maybe I look at 1104 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 1: from my own perspective and that's probably a fault, but 1105 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,600 Speaker 1: like I and not even really any moral high ground, 1106 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 1: just like I couldn't do that, Like I just wouldn't. 1107 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. No, I'm the kind 1108 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,440 Speaker 1: of person that even in a locker room, like was 1109 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: always like covering up every little bit of myself in 1110 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,680 Speaker 1: high school. Like I'm just not a publicly naked person, 1111 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,080 Speaker 1: like even like my sister has really never seen me naked. It. 1112 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: But the date turns to be something kind of fun. 1113 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there's two people, you know, their their 1114 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: professional models that are posing for these guys and they 1115 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: start to get you know, the artistic side of things, 1116 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 1: which you know, I think was awesome that the show 1117 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,240 Speaker 1: really is highlighting art. Now this was art, like this 1118 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: was them expressing themselves and creative ways, and they had 1119 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,320 Speaker 1: a couple of different avenues to do that. Um, but 1120 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 1: they're still going on this whole time, this Bennett and 1121 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Noah thing, Like it's just starting to like fester and 1122 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: it's becoming now less funny to me and more just 1123 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 1: annoying that it continues to be Like I mean, I'll 1124 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: say it, and it's not going to be a fan 1125 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: favorite here. It feels like Bennett is the one that's 1126 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: being immature in this whole thing. Yeah, I agree that 1127 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: if there's one person here that I feel is is 1128 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: more likely to get the boot, it's going to be 1129 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,320 Speaker 1: a Bennett. But I also like don't even know what 1130 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: it's like about. Like Betta keeps saying that he's perplexed 1131 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: by like what the tensions about? I don't I think 1132 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,520 Speaker 1: that's a lie. I think he understands that, like there's 1133 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 1: a lot of belittling but between the two of them. 1134 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 1: But I also feel like, um, like why did this start? 1135 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Like was the start of it? Also, weird freaking thing 1136 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: that happened? You remember last episode when we left off 1137 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: with the whole Noah Like, did guys really say that 1138 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: he that Chasha gave him the rose to stir or 1139 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: was he just making that up out of thin air? 1140 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,840 Speaker 1: That was never really addressed again. Never It's weird, isn't 1141 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: that bizarre? It just went away, Like the episode said, 1142 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 1: you need to apologize to Tasia and these guys, and 1143 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,920 Speaker 1: then we're done with it. It's just weird. So this 1144 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: day has the Noah Benett drama. Bennett's doing his thing 1145 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 1: by sitting next c Tasia and uh, you know, making 1146 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: comments back and forth to Noah during this whole process. Uh, 1147 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Noah kind of goes back with him and says, hey, 1148 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, after Bennett created like a couple of houses 1149 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 1: that him and Tasi you're gonna live in the chateaus 1150 01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: and the beach house. Were laughing at that. Don't like it? 1151 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 1: You don't like that. I don't like it. I mean, 1152 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, but I also find it 1153 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: getting old. I don't know. But but let's concentrate on 1154 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 1: the good parts of this this group date. There was 1155 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of depth here. Brandon was amazing with his 1156 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: his his photo, like the way that this is a 1157 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: self portrait of me and if I turned the frame around, 1158 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,920 Speaker 1: it's me with my love and it was so sweet. 1159 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,040 Speaker 1: And then we also have Ivan with the puzzle and 1160 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,240 Speaker 1: like how he wants to add that last piece and 1161 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 1: how he got emotional about his dad maybe not seeing 1162 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 1: the man that he that he created one day. Oh 1163 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,640 Speaker 1: that was heart wrenching. And he just continues to be 1164 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,160 Speaker 1: the sweetest. Riley talking about he got that phone call 1165 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: from his mom after not hearing from her for years, 1166 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and then he asked, Um, you know, she said what 1167 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 1: keeps what keeps you wanting to have quality time with 1168 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: with your future daughter? And then he said, well, it 1169 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 1: comes from never having it in my childhood. I mean, 1170 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot a lot of goodness here and isn't 1171 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 1: that what art does? Like not, you know, like art 1172 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 1: allows us to express what's on our hearts, and like 1173 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 1: there's obviously there's a lot of depth to these guys 1174 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: and they're expressing that through UM this date, which I 1175 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching UM. But there was a part Ashley, 1176 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,760 Speaker 1: and I want to hear it was this part and 1177 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to you about it. So Ashley, 1178 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: during this whole thing, it's all going well, and then 1179 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,160 Speaker 1: there's a moment that I don't know honestly, like my 1180 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: first reaction, quite honestly, is to be super like negative 1181 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: on it. But I don't know how I feel about 1182 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,479 Speaker 1: it because it feels like it never became a thing, 1183 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: and so I need to hear from you. I need 1184 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,959 Speaker 1: your wisdom, but I wanted to hear from you. Well. 1185 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I was very much like confused by it, 1186 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: like I felt, I thought it was super awkward. Um. Now, yeah, 1187 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,400 Speaker 1: and now I don't know what Batchel Nation thinks. In fact, listeners, 1188 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,200 Speaker 1: what do you think was this moment awkward? Was it endearing? 1189 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Was it sweet? I mean, I know Ben is trying 1190 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:02,560 Speaker 1: to show up. So here's what we're talking about. Being 1191 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,680 Speaker 1: goes back behind the scenes here says he forgot something. 1192 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: He comes out button naked, and he stands in front 1193 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:13,040 Speaker 1: of his buddy's and Tastia and the people butt naked. Um. Now, 1194 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what was trying to be proven here. 1195 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,800 Speaker 1: I know he's trying to show up for her, but 1196 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 1: this was and like, I'm not against Ben, like I 1197 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 1: think he's trying his best during this whole thing to 1198 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,520 Speaker 1: connect withation. I think he really likes her, but this 1199 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,840 Speaker 1: just felt so weird to me, and it never got 1200 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,320 Speaker 1: talked about it was so weird to me, and it 1201 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:40,000 Speaker 1: went over seemingly so well, and it left me feeling 1202 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: even more weird because it went over so well. Maybe 1203 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 1: at first she was startled, but then you could see 1204 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 1: in her eyes that she really liked the gesture. Um, 1205 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: which made me feel like I should be liking the gesture. 1206 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Part of me understands completely that, like, when you're naked, 1207 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,840 Speaker 1: you are so vulnerable. You're at like you're very most vulnerable. 1208 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Like it can be emotional, it can be physical, but 1209 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: like I get the meaning behind it, but also at 1210 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 1: the same time, there's so many other ways this early 1211 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: on in a relationship to be vulnerable, and the other 1212 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: guys demonstrated it so well that it was just bizarre 1213 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,680 Speaker 1: that he was like, Okay, this is what I'm going 1214 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: to go for. Was it was a little bit part 1215 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:31,880 Speaker 1: of it him being showy and almost being like, but 1216 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm delivering this is what I have to offer exactly. Um. 1217 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 1: And then she got so emotional after that that I 1218 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: just went with it. I don't know, I still am 1219 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,000 Speaker 1: kind of confused about how I feel about it. Okay, 1220 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it's appropriate. That's that's what I'll say. 1221 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it was appropriate. I don't think it 1222 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,360 Speaker 1: was asked for. I think it was in weird taste, 1223 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 1: And in weird taste is a perfect way of saying it. 1224 01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:59,960 Speaker 1: And it was in front of all of his budd 1225 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: ease Like, this wasn't like this wasn't him showing up 1226 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,560 Speaker 1: for Tasa. This was a moment in front of a 1227 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 1: bunch of people, and yeah, like if it's something inside 1228 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,440 Speaker 1: of me and I need more, I need so this 1229 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,280 Speaker 1: is where in life. So here's a good example in life. 1230 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 1: I would get my friends together and I would say, Hey, 1231 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how to process this scenario. I need 1232 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 1: you to help me process it. Can we talk about 1233 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,120 Speaker 1: how you feel about it? If it was right, if 1234 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 1: it was wrong? Um, And that's what I need now, 1235 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: Like so we need you listeners, right as how do 1236 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,240 Speaker 1: you think? How do you feel about it? Are we 1237 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,480 Speaker 1: off here? Um? Or was this like the right thing 1238 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:37,800 Speaker 1: to do? Is it's the wrong thing to do? It 1239 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,920 Speaker 1: just felt it made me feel all sorts of weird. 1240 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: There was so many things he could have done that 1241 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 1: wasn't this that would have been just as strong enough 1242 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 1: as a statement. And to me, in a way, it 1243 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: was almost like him giving up on being more creative 1244 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,800 Speaker 1: and just being like, screw it, I'm gonna go with 1245 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: what I've got. Yeah, it's it's I don't know, we 1246 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,040 Speaker 1: need to hear from you. Yeah, actually I'm with you. 1247 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Um but hey, uh, we've been wrong before. We could 1248 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: be wrong again. This could be the sweetest gesture of 1249 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,680 Speaker 1: all time and we just don't know it yet. Um, 1250 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not feeling it. And uh, I felt like 1251 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: at that moment, it just it just doesn't sit easy 1252 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:19,000 Speaker 1: well speaking of Easy at yeah, well, hey, maybe maybe 1253 01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,959 Speaker 1: she does well speaking of Easy. Uh. We fast forward 1254 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,400 Speaker 1: now to the one on one day. Uh with Easy, Uh, 1255 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,200 Speaker 1: it seems to be going great, and it seems to 1256 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,600 Speaker 1: be going well, and um, I don't feel as a fan, 1257 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,000 Speaker 1: like I don't feel a connection the whole time. Like 1258 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,280 Speaker 1: I feel like they get along and they're like laughing together, 1259 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,440 Speaker 1: but there's no connection. Even at dinner, it felt, um 1260 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,800 Speaker 1: it felt forced. Well yeah I did, I mean because 1261 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,680 Speaker 1: he it felt like he was repeating himself a lot, 1262 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: like out of nerves, like that was a cute day, 1263 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,400 Speaker 1: that was a cute day, and he kept saying that 1264 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 1: and like that's a space filler. He's not comfortable yet, Well, Ashley, 1265 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: did you expect the result to be easy going home? Okay, 1266 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,920 Speaker 1: So I think this um haunted House part. I just 1267 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,560 Speaker 1: gonna say the hounted house part was like the probably 1268 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,520 Speaker 1: the weakest point that we've seen, the weakest scene that 1269 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 1: we've seen over the past couple of weeks, because everything 1270 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,360 Speaker 1: has been super captivating. I just felt like this kind 1271 01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,559 Speaker 1: of dragged out a little bit. But maybe it's because 1272 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling like that strong of a connection. It 1273 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: was more of a friendship that was very giggly. It 1274 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:26,360 Speaker 1: was fun. Um, it didn't lead to it didn't the 1275 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,760 Speaker 1: dates objective didn't lend itself to like huge vulnerability though, 1276 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's like going to a haunted house. Like 1277 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: it's cute when you want to touch somebody and like 1278 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: grab their arm, but it's not gonna like reveal your soul. 1279 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,599 Speaker 1: And then when dinner time did roll around, I agree 1280 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,320 Speaker 1: with you. There was like some fluff convo and I 1281 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,479 Speaker 1: was like, why in the war but until the fluff combo, 1282 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,800 Speaker 1: until he said I'm falling in love with you, and 1283 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,639 Speaker 1: I was like, why in the world is this guy 1284 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,000 Speaker 1: doing this right now? This is way too early. There's 1285 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 1: been no scenes between the two of them, um in 1286 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,639 Speaker 1: which like, this seems like it's the natural progression of things. 1287 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,800 Speaker 1: So I like understand her not wanting to lead him 1288 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,599 Speaker 1: on and eliminating him there, but I was shock, Actually, 1289 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,440 Speaker 1: I was very shocked that she went through and eliminated him. 1290 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,639 Speaker 1: It seems like to me, this seems like the kind 1291 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 1: of date where it's like you give him a rose 1292 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: on the date and then like he gets eliminated a 1293 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,559 Speaker 1: week or two down the road. Yeah, you're telling me 1294 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 1: you weren't shocked by the fact that she was just like, 1295 01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,639 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm not going to get missed both. 1296 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,400 Speaker 1: I missed both. I was shocked at the injury result. 1297 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,840 Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't surprised that he's going home, is 1298 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,240 Speaker 1: my point. It's like at that point, yeah, shocking. Anytime 1299 01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:37,920 Speaker 1: anybody on a one on one doesn't get a rose 1300 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,040 Speaker 1: at the end, it's always a pretty pannicle moment, because 1301 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, you get to choose, you go on one 1302 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,840 Speaker 1: on ones with their their treasured items. You want to 1303 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,960 Speaker 1: go on one on one with people that you have 1304 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,920 Speaker 1: a feature with or that you want to get to 1305 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:55,160 Speaker 1: know more, and so it's always shocking but um, I 1306 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,639 Speaker 1: wasn't surprised that he's not the one for Tasha and uh, 1307 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,040 Speaker 1: and it was the first bi big, like out of 1308 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,240 Speaker 1: nowhere cut that we've seen her make, which is, Uh, 1309 01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,679 Speaker 1: once you do one, it's hard to stop and she'll 1310 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,120 Speaker 1: probably start, you know, chopping people away as she goes. 1311 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,639 Speaker 1: But we move on from easy then until maybe one 1312 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,120 Speaker 1: of the most captivating parts of the episode, something that's 1313 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,960 Speaker 1: dragged on for a long time. Jojo comes in very 1314 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,760 Speaker 1: serious uh and says that she needs to get to 1315 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: the bottom of something and this something is something we've 1316 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,120 Speaker 1: all watched and understood. And now again here's a little 1317 01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,599 Speaker 1: hint at the show. When you're the lead, you don't 1318 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,320 Speaker 1: know the stuff's happening, but behind the scenes, like Tasha 1319 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,600 Speaker 1: knows that there's drama, she knows something's up, but she 1320 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 1: keeps saying like I'm gonna get to the bottom of 1321 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,120 Speaker 1: because she hasn't seen it yet, she doesn't fully understand. Well. 1322 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,120 Speaker 1: Tassha calls both been It and Noah in for a 1323 01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,280 Speaker 1: two on one date. Uh, Ashley, you have been on 1324 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,840 Speaker 1: two on one dates. Talk us through this moment um, 1325 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,679 Speaker 1: and then I'll share a couple opinions. I have. Yeah, 1326 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,360 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird need to on one that's 1327 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:07,519 Speaker 1: pre cocktail party. Um, there will be a rose. I 1328 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,160 Speaker 1: feel like Tasia may not give either of these guys 1329 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,519 Speaker 1: a rose, which happened in my situation. Again, like the 1330 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,240 Speaker 1: tension between them seems like it's all about like nothing. 1331 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,679 Speaker 1: They're really just to people who don't get along, and 1332 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,720 Speaker 1: Bennett keeps insinuating that Noah is too young and that 1333 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,440 Speaker 1: he's childish. He gives him a book on emotional intelligence, 1334 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,200 Speaker 1: which which gives us all flashbacks to Taylor Nolan talking 1335 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 1: about emotional intelligence, but it says that he didn't have 1336 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,320 Speaker 1: it back when he was Noah's age. He also gives 1337 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: him a red bandana, which is a sign of friendship, 1338 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,280 Speaker 1: he says, and he doesn't want there to be any 1339 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,360 Speaker 1: bad blood moving forward. But then when he gives him 1340 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,960 Speaker 1: the emotional intelligence book and the mustache socks, which is 1341 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, uh, a little bit of a reference to 1342 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:05,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he should only be anybody nobody should 1343 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,520 Speaker 1: be wearing a mustache anywhere but their feet. Bennett says 1344 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,240 Speaker 1: all these are little nudges at how much he doesn't 1345 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 1: think Noah should be around anymore. So they're not real gifts. However, 1346 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Bennett keeps saying that they are. Sincere. It looks like 1347 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,640 Speaker 1: this gift is going to be the demise of Bennett 1348 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:32,719 Speaker 1: because he's Tassia comes and sits down with Noah and Bennett, 1349 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,639 Speaker 1: and Bennett's like, yeah, everything's tronglish. I just don't want 1350 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,640 Speaker 1: anything to be childish. And I think that she's a 1351 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,920 Speaker 1: little bit confused in the moment, but then we get 1352 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,599 Speaker 1: it to be continued when she says what's in that box? 1353 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,720 Speaker 1: She's going to open that box and see how demeaning 1354 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,200 Speaker 1: everything is towards Noah, and she's gonna eliminate Bennett. This 1355 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,880 Speaker 1: is just what I think. What about you, Well, you 1356 01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,760 Speaker 1: just said it right. You just said a word that 1357 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are wondering. Was this 1358 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,600 Speaker 1: box the meaning? Because Noah's claiming been a this is 1359 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: another sign of you just being the meaning to me, 1360 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,599 Speaker 1: of bullying me, of pushing me around, of making stuff 1361 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,200 Speaker 1: out of nothing, like we could have easily came on 1362 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,040 Speaker 1: this date. Um Instead, here's the part like if Bennet 1363 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,639 Speaker 1: would have sat down and said, no, actually, I don't 1364 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,519 Speaker 1: like you, and I'm gonna give you this gift to 1365 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,479 Speaker 1: show you that I'd be more okay with it, but 1366 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,160 Speaker 1: instead Bennett trying to wrap it up and manipulate the 1367 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,040 Speaker 1: situation by saying, hey, I'm always a peacemaker. I'm always 1368 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: a guy that likes to make peace. So he's lying 1369 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,519 Speaker 1: because this is not him making peace, and then he 1370 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,519 Speaker 1: presents the gift as something that's gonna be uplifting and 1371 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: help Noah, and he continues to manipulate no One say 1372 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm just doing this out of love, man like, I'm 1373 01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,200 Speaker 1: just trying to help you out, and Noah sitting there 1374 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,840 Speaker 1: going no, Ben it, this is another sign of you 1375 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,439 Speaker 1: being the meaning to me of pushing me around. It's 1376 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,519 Speaker 1: not okay. And I wasn't okay with that either, because 1377 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 1: what I mean, we just witnessed been Itt manipulating a 1378 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 1: situation and making somebody feel belittled, which is never okay 1379 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,960 Speaker 1: on the show. Sort of. I don't even know if 1380 01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,720 Speaker 1: I agree with the word manipulating, because I feel like 1381 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,280 Speaker 1: manipulating is when somebody's like buying into it, and Noah 1382 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:09,400 Speaker 1: is not buying into this this Bennett, Yeah, manipulation is 1383 01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,960 Speaker 1: also I mean, yeah, sure, I mean, what is it? Like? 1384 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't know the right word than to use. But 1385 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,880 Speaker 1: like Bennett presents this as, Hey, this is something that 1386 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,559 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to cause peace. Man, I'm just and 1387 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,160 Speaker 1: then he twists it and it's only something that Noah 1388 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,200 Speaker 1: has to sit through and feel worse about himself. Like 1389 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,840 Speaker 1: can you imagine somebody opening this box up in front 1390 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,720 Speaker 1: of you and saying, this is what I think of you, 1391 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,920 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna act like it's out of 1392 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 1: love and care, but really you're just gonna sit there 1393 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,400 Speaker 1: and have to take me criticizing you for minutes upon 1394 01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,640 Speaker 1: minutes like it's not okay, okay. So we are like 1395 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,679 Speaker 1: I think some of us, me included, are watching this 1396 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,519 Speaker 1: being like, oh, but this is sort of funny because 1397 01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,360 Speaker 1: it's coming from Bennett and he's using this word. Oh 1398 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,000 Speaker 1: now we've fallen into a foli or something like that, 1399 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,519 Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, first off, he used the 1400 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,280 Speaker 1: wrong word of folly fall folly. Folly has to if 1401 01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna pluralize, it has to be follies. Like he 1402 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,320 Speaker 1: he did not use folly right, Folly was wrong. He 1403 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,320 Speaker 1: follies is the plural and he's talking about two of 1404 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 1: them coming into a disagreement. So he was wrong. Smart 1405 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,800 Speaker 1: smart Ben, Okay, So, but could you imagine if it's 1406 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 1: just like a regular person, like not a person who's 1407 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,400 Speaker 1: a walking caricature, but like a regular person and they 1408 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,440 Speaker 1: handed you this demining gift, that person would be villainized 1409 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,960 Speaker 1: so fast, that person would be a straight up villain. 1410 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,479 Speaker 1: In this case, Ben, it's almost halfway getting away with 1411 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,280 Speaker 1: it because we think that he seems like an actor 1412 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,320 Speaker 1: for hire. Well, let's see if he gets away with it. 1413 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,240 Speaker 1: Because obviously, as you said, Tasha is going to open 1414 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: up this gift and we'll see what she says. I mean, 1415 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,679 Speaker 1: we will have to base our opinion on what Tasha does. 1416 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,320 Speaker 1: But I know how I stand right now, and it's 1417 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,640 Speaker 1: obvious how you stand. To Ashley, It's gonna be a 1418 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,760 Speaker 1: great episode next week. Obviously, we're leaving this episode on 1419 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,560 Speaker 1: a cliffhanger with a lot to a lot of unknowns, 1420 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,759 Speaker 1: a lot to discover. Another great episode of tatious season, 1421 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,960 Speaker 1: and another great episode of almost famous podcast things. All 1422 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: the guests who came on, Ashley, You're the best. 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