WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: How Close To Contention? 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.720 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:18.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.520 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:33.600 Star in friscol Say, and now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:42.400 heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeomans. You know, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.680 it's really only been a week and a half. However, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.680 it seems like it's been forever because I haven't gotten 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.760 to talk to my buddies here on Talking Cowboys, presented 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.160 by Geico, heck Ma Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.760 I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We are back after a little bit 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.840 of a break. It was a three day weekend, so 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.959 we had our weekend and MLK Day and honored him 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.559 and kind of got through the weekend and then got 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.840 back into reality on Tuesday. And now it's Wednesday. It's 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.200 a Wednesday edition here of Talking Cowboys this offseason. So 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.920 glad you're with us year on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.480 And guys, it's like I said about how it feels 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.680 like it's been forever. It's not only because I missed you, guys, 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.480 but it's also because storylines have come out like crazy 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.039 ever since we last recorded. Last time we recorded, we 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.440 didn't even know for sure who our defensive coordinator was 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.759 going to be. And now it is, of course, Dan Quinn. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.200 He has been hired as the defensive coordinator. We've got 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.440 coaches interviewing with the Philadelphia Eagles, And I said coaches. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.440 Multiple coaches have interviewed with the Philadelphia Eagles, and we've 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.080 got a ton of NFL. I mean, Drew Brees may 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.520 not even be playing football. We know Philip Rivers not 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.160 playing football anymore since the last time we chatted. But Rob, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.160 I mean, there's a ton of storylines to go through. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.240 But which one sticks out to you the most? Well, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.800 my favorite storyline is we had all this time off 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.680 you squeeze in a vacation. Well, hey, Rob, did you 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.400 get an invite? Did you get an invite? Rap? I 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.640 did not? Did you? Isa? Heck heck did you? I 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.120 definitely didn't. I wasn't in on that one. I'll give 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.480 him this. He kept working, he did the draft show. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.079 But he also but he also had a subtle flex 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.640 you know. He yes, Kyle, did you call ahead and 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.960 say can I get a room with a mountain so 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.600 I can so I can show that off on the 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.720 Draft Show. No, it was funny though, because we walked 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.600 right into that. It was a little casita. I mean, 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.440 it was just like it was basically a clay building 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.200 with clay floors in like the New Mexico tapestry all 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.120 the way throughout it. And I walked in and I 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.720 saw the really big window that faced toward the mountains. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.240 I was like, yeah, that's gonna have to be my 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.800 backdrop at some point, fell did you guys hear that twins? 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.239 I heard that Twins of Jalen Smith, he said, Loui 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:56.720 Wi was there. Yeah, and it was a it was 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.400 a clay building, No, bro, it was the four Seasons. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.000 Don't lie us. It was not the four Seasons. I 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.840 guaranteed that one. Uh yeah, no, it was a It 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.600 was a ton of fun. But yeah, I did. I 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.840 missed you guys there, And I was thinking about Heckma 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.639 the whole time I was on the mountain ski. I 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.480 was like, man, I miss heck My Harrison the whole time. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.240 I could just imagine Heckma trying to ski. I just 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.880 want to I want that visual more than any I 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.000 feel like Rob and Isaiah could get it done, but 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:33.200 I know way I'm not messing with nature like that. Sorry, nope, yeah, okay, okay, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:37.840 well Rob other storylines up my propty vacation. I'm sorry 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.960 to throw us off. I had to squeeze it once 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.320 got we gotta start with dan Quinn, right, uh. We 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.680 We strongly hinted at that last week, and it turned 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.120 out that that that it ultimately was the hire for 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.120 defensive coordinator. And you know, I think, based on the 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.920 situation they're in right now, I think it makes sense 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.440 on a couple fronts. You know, they want to go 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.880 back to a scheme that they've got more familiarity with, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.480 and and you know, it's a bit of a one 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.240 eighty because they talked last year about how they wanted 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.480 a different scheme and they wanted to be more multiple. Well, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.320 I think there could be some multiplicity within this scheme, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.560 but I think it is largely a four three scheme 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.279 that players have played in and been familiar with. And 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.719 we'll see what happens this offseason with the offseason program. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.640 There's been there were rumblings from NFL Network yesterday that 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.760 this might be another virtual offseason program. If that's the case, 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.200 I think it makes sense to have a veteran hire 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.640 at that position. You know, I was saying Marvin Lewis 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.960 would have been another candidate on my list anyway, along 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.240 with dan Quinn. A veteran hire that knows how to 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.520 get his system really across, has been in this position 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.039 for a few years, and so I think it makes 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:49.760 sense for what the Cowboys need to do, and that's 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.719 that's a quick fix along with upgrading their personnel. Heck 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.080 ma well, I mean, look, we talked about it at 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.200 length and about dan Quinn, and obviously now he's our 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.200 defensive coordinator. I'm interested to see how all of this 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.400 goes back to the scheme that we were playing playing 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.200 two years ago. Personnel wise, we've made some changes. We've 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.080 gone into the draft and we've drafted guys that were 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.400 three four guys in our four three guys. You know, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.320 there's so much that's gonna go into it, but there 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.599 are a lot of players that well, a lot of players. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.320 There are a few players that we have right now 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.080 that are going to directly benefit from the hire of 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.800 dan Quinn, and one being Tank Lawrence. Just going back 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.760 to who he was, I thought that it was a 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:35.600 mistake to have him in a bicycle position and all 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.359 of that. I think it just changed his game and 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.520 you saw him slowly coming into himself as the season progressed, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.520 you know, switching sides and doing different things that they 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.680 had him doing within the defense. But again, to me, 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.040 there's so many things to unpack with this dan quinn hiring, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.520 going back to a system that other guys would let 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.479 go of. But again, he's he's our he's our defensive coordinator. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.919 We're gonna play at four three, the cover three scheme 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.880 that he sold uh famous for in Seattle, and hopefully again, guys, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:13.560 we have the personnel fit to get that done. Well, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.200 y'all know, y'all know, I'm excited about it. Uh. Coach 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.400 quinna Is, he's a good dude. I know him. He's UM, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.240 he's awesome. I don't know him, know him, but I 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.400 had him as a coach and he was he's he's 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.160 a good dude. He's a good dude that I love 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.200 his energy. I love the fact that he establishes a culture. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:33.839 He establishes a culture of energetic, young, hungry, determined players 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.040 UM that play as a team. And I like that. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.680 That's one thing I like about him. That's one thing 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.960 that's consistent about him. I know, we can go back 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.120 to Atlanta and talk about, you know, the success or 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.800 lack thereof, uh, you know, but the reality is they 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.719 had success. They just didn't finish things. Um. And that's 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.800 something that's something that's something I gotta fit. They gotta 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.840 figure out. But look where he took Atlanta from, right, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.720 he took Atlanta and gave him an opportunity to win 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.800 a dog on Super Bowl. So um, not just not 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.440 to me coaches that they can say that, um, but 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.479 I'm excited about him. I'm excited about the guys that 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.960 we had that were inefficient this year on our current roster. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.720 I'm excited about their potential future. Guys like Jaylen Smith, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.800 the guy that I freaking was hard on this year. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.360 I think he flourishes in a dan Quinn system. You know, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.440 I think vander Esche flourish is in the dan Quinn system. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.640 You started thinking about guys that that quinns that had 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.840 an opportunity to work with and the development that they've had. Um, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.960 guys like to play for him. So I'm also excited 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.600 about some of the free agents that are gonna want 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.080 to come here and play as well. So wait a minute, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.080 Wait a minute, let me ask this. So are you 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:37.120 saying that, uh, Jaylen can mimic kJ Right? Don't don't 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:42.040 do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. But but 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.240 what I am gonna say is I'm gonna say this. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.000 They will, they have, they have an opportunity. And I 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:48.520 don't want to start throwing a bunch of rumors and 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.880 stuff out there because I don't have that kind of information. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.400 But if I'm the exactly, if I'm the GM, if 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.320 I'm the GM right, which I'm not, but I would 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.520 take a close look at I would take a close 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.840 look at Jalen Smiths contract. I would take a close 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.800 look at Jallen Smiths contract because if you know Vander 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.560 esh is gonna be your middle linebacker, kJ Wright is 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.400 a free agent. kJ Right is familiar with the system 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.080 that Dan Quinn's gonna run. kJ Wright is not going 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.760 to get the money that he wants out of Seattle. 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.880 He's not, um, you know, it's really gonna come down. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.840 Does he want to stay there and be loyal? I'm 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.520 playing with his playing with his dog Bobby, But he's 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:25.920 earned a right to make some money. So if you 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.440 can move some money around and get a guy who's 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.200 proven and who understands the system that you're trying to 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.440 get across, who's a proven leader in this league, then 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.840 you know, obviously there there's options there. So I think 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.760 that there's gonna be I say all that to say 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.720 there's gonna be a good amount of guys who want 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.240 to come play here in Dallas, not only because it's 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.360 the Dallas Cowboys, but also because of who's now in 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.240 charge of the amount of defense. I like that. I 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.120 think there is an added element to hiring a guy 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.800 with the name of dan Quinn and with the resume 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.480 of dan Quinn. If you went out and hired it 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.360 maybe a younger defensive coordinator or somebody who hadn't been 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.120 in that position prior, you might not have that kind 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.880 of pedigree where you can say, I want to go 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.559 get this guy because he's played for me, and he's 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.880 done this, this, this, and I know he can do 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.960 this still. And I know last week when you were 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.760 you were pretty down on a guy like dan Quinn, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.360 you were not you were not in favor of having 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.120 dan Quinn come in. Wanted you wanted the new you 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.640 wanted that and I completely understand where you're coming from. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.120 And I have my skepticisms about dan Quinn and I 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.600 still do. But ultimately, how does his scheme and how 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.040 does his resume line up to allow you to be 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.520 better instantly on defense? Because I feel like that's what 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.839 this higher does, you know, I don't. Look, I'm very 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.079 skeptical about it. I mean, because we had a defense. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.000 They gave up historic numbers, right, And so you have 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.440 to ask ourselves, with all the built in excuses of 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.520 COVID nineteen, had dan Quinn been hired are fired in 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.559 twenty nineteen, and hired in twenty twenty by Mike McCarthy, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.400 would he have suffered the same state as Mike Nolan 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.800 even with the familiarity with the old system. I know 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.360 that people completely take this antiquated way of coaching, hiring 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.160 coaches and going back and comparing players. But there's no 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.240 way that you're going to sell me on the fact 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.559 that Donovan Wilson is a cam Chancellor equivalent. And if 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.959 you can convince me that you could possibly sell me 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.520 oceanfront property in Nebraska, because I just I don't see it, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.240 you know, I just don't. And I think that you know, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.400 the one hard sale for me on this is that 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:31.360 Mike McCarthy sold the Jones family on this New Dallas 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.080 Cowboys A twenty twenty and now we're going back to 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.680 the twenty nineteen defense, and I just, you know, I 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.200 have problems with that, but I want to give it 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:46.120 time to work. Dan Quinn is all of his accomplishments, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.480 his resume, everything that's out there on him is proven, right, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.360 But there's also another side to this where you see 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.400 his defail or his team against Atlanta giving up big 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.240 leads in big time, in big games. There are other 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:03.120 things as well, But again, but this defense, that what 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.080 Michael Jordan said, the ceiling is the roof. You know, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.439 the sky's the limit, right, There's no there's no where 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.200 to go but up for this defense. So I mean, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.920 as a Cowboy fan, obviously all of us are just 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.959 you know, excited about you know, the possibility of having 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.679 something better. Well, and you said we're going back to 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.880 that twenty nineteen defense, and I feel like I have 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.080 to throw this in there. This isn't exactly that twenty 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.400 nineteen different defense. This isn't Rod Marinelli. I think it's 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.720 a good in between rob right, whenever you look at 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.559 the scheme, I mean, there's gonna be some multiple from 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.680 Dan Quinn. It's just not gonna be what Mike Nolan 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.920 brought to the table. It's not gonna be quite that hybrid, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.400 that that that nickel front that you're gonna see from 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.040 a Mike Nolan more so than what you saw from 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.640 Rod Marinelli. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm fascinated to see how 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.559 it takes shape because it is. His history is largely 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.800 four three cover three, you know, single high safety defense, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.439 and we've seen that here obviously with christihs Hard being 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.000 a former Seattle assistant too when he was here. So 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.560 there's there's variations of it. But to your point, he's 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.880 worked in places where he was a D line coach 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.840 with the Jets when they ran a three four. He 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.080 worked for Nick Saban when they were a multiple defense 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.280 in Miami. They were a three four hybrid scheme at 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.800 Florida when he was there DC for a couple of 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.920 years before he went to Seattle and they won Super Bowl. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.240 So he's been in different schemes and I think in 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.760 today's NFL you have to be different. You can't play 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.400 just so plain and say, hey, we're gonna beat you 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.360 because we're so talented, And that kind of goes back 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.120 to Heckma's point. It does come down to players, and 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.760 so I think what they're trying to do is, you know, 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.880 it's another uncertain offseason. I mentioned, you know, we'll see 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.480 how virtual it is. Bring in some familiarity, get the 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.400 communication right, get everybody on the same page. That was 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.280 such a problem last year. Beyond the talent level, you know, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.960 just being assignment sound and maybe with a familiar scheme 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.920 they can do that, but I think it's gonna be 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.840 a couple of years before they probably get the personnel 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.920 where they wanted to be. They just need to be 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.560 okay on defense and hope your offense is healthy and 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.280 really really good, and then that that's how you win 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:18.560 games next year. That's how I see it anyway, Isaiah, Yeah, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.280 I mean I don't disagree with you on that, but 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.520 you know, again, well we obviously have to see what 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.319 the salary cap situation is going to be, um and 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.760 I think that they have to they have a lot 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.320 of self analysis, a lot of a lot of looking 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.600 on the interior this year to figure out exactly who 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.400 they want to retain. I think at the end that 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:35.680 you have to figure that out. You have to figure 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.520 out what type of hits, those those potential moves are 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.480 going to have on your cap um. And you know, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.040 you go out there and you acquire some guys, like 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.040 you said, Rob, that are familiar with the system. I hear, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.320 I hear, and I understand and I don't disagree with 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.319 you heck on some of those formats. However, UM, I 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.760 know on the inside that the culture aspect and that 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.680 that's so important. It is so important. And regardless if 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.839 you regardless off you're in person, regardless of your virtual 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.839 it's contagious. The type of what what he what he does, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.080 what he brings is contagious. And I think that you 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.880 you can tell that, UM, this this year was a 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.240 great a great example of the lack of energy, the 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.560 lack of continuity. UM. That this that this defense is 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.040 particularly that this defense had UM And then I think 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.240 you can look at some of the other defenses that 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.280 coach Quinnance coach in the past, and you can at 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.320 least see, even if the players aren't exceptional, right, look 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.760 at the energy, look at the energy difference of his players, man, 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.840 And I think that's something that that's that, that's we 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:42.920 can we can really grasps onto. I mean I get it. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.800 And Isaiah, he's your guy and you have that, you 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.240 have familiarity, you know him right, Um, just for for 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.400 me when just especially looking at this ros roster and 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.240 the depth that we had at certain positions, it wouldn't 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.480 have mattered. Man if he came in last year and 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.600 tried to implement this all had the same system, that 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.160 the communication was the same. You just had guys that 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.840 can't play, guys that can't cover. If you're talking about 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.920 a cover four scheme that yet you even alluded to Isaiah, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.720 that's one of the easiest schemes to master. We couldn't 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.960 do that, right, Let's communicate, let's talk, Let's stop anything 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:23.320 from having the Antonio Gibson hov to the end zone. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.040 Those we were just getting gash in the running game. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.200 We were getting guys that were getting put on their 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.200 name plate and there was I don't care about what 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.440 kind of energy you have as a coach. If you 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.520 have guys that can't play, that can't get it done, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.200 linebackers that can't share get to the ball, those things 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.120 are going to rear their head again. And so regardless 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.920 of him having energy or what have you, you still 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.720 are in a position where you're gonna have to have 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.040 guys that can play the way that you want to. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.200 Dan Quinn has a one gap scheme. Guys are gonna 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.400 have the opportunity to blow and go. But you have 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.240 guys up front right now that have played in a 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.400 different scheme that they're gonna have to get used to 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.520 playing in his I agree on a half of what 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.800 you said. I agree on half what you said, and 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.360 the reason why I agree either you have players or 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.440 you don't have players at that I agree on. However, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.160 what your statement also is in digative of saying that 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:17.280 somebody's coaching style, um is there. They're unable to get 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.000 across the same information in a different form depending on 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.000 their coaching style. And I disagree with you in that 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.600 regard because I think Coach Quinn and other great coach 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.360 and other coaches that you may be talent, you know 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.960 talented as great are really good. They are able to 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.720 get across information in a different way that's that's digestible 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.560 by by those players. Right, So I could receive information 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.160 from you differently that I could receive information from Rob 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.400 or even Kyle. Right, you guys can try to get 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.640 across the same message, but I can by by you 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.520 teaching it to me. I receive it and all of 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.120 a sudden, oh, now I understand it and I can 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.600 go out and apply it. Right the way which you 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.640 teach me to communicate. Right, all communication is not the same. Right, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.520 you teach me to communicate a certain way. Now, all 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.080 of a sudden, we've we have no different in baseball, right, 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.040 you got all these dog on signals and everything else. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.000 Right when I was in when I was in New England, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.120 we had so many dog one hands signals. We didn't 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.159 talk on the field. There was no talking. It was 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.000 it was. It was. It was an eyewink, it was 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.800 a hey, it not it was one of these. It 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.879 was a all kinds of different stuff. It was a Celtic, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.960 it was all kinds of stuff. Is different, right, same players, 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.840 but you convey the message differently, and guess what now 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.919 you get different results on the field. So I agree 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.960 with you that you need the players, but I disagree 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.719 with you by saying that we don't have the players 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.680 that could do it if we have the proper teacher 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.160 in place. The one thing I would add to that is. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.159 You know, guys talked about in December when they started 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.360 playing better defensively, guys would say, look, we're we kind 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.360 of finally understand what we're supposed to do. I don't heck, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.440 I don't think under a Dance Quinn scheme that would 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.639 have been kind of a continuation of the Rod Chris 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.119 scheme to a certain extent. I don't know if if 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.600 guys would have been talking like that that deep end 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.240 of the season. But I agree with you too. Like 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.800 Isaiah said, I agree with you that there's a lot 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.119 of question marks. There's a lot of guys with expiring 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.399 deals and and they've got some spots they got to 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.359 look at. And I don't think you can do it 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.359 all in one off season. So it's going to be 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:05.120 very interesting to see how it takes shape well. And 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:06.840 I also kind of want to look at some of 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.680 the guys who are going to be back here that 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.080 are going to benefit I mean, heck, when you mentioned 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.280 it in your opening statement about de Marcus Lawrence, I 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.640 think that's a guy who certainly will benefit from having 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.840 Dan Quinn rather than maybe going out of a two 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.720 point stance and having to play with Mike Nolan's scheme 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.440 of defense. But then you look at guys like Jalen Smith, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.919 Like Isaiah said earlier, could Jalen Smith be better? He 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.080 might be worse in this system. The defensive tackles, there's 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:32.520 going to be a lot of pressure on them to 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.880 create pressure upfront, and that's something that we saw from 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.800 Mignolan's defense. It allowed them to really kind of take 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.119 the forefront and they didn't do so very well. They 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.800 also weren't necessarily healthy for throughout must of much of 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:46.959 the season as well. But heck, if you look at 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.320 these players, you look at some of these individual Jimmies 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.440 and Joe's to go along with the x's and o's, 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.400 is there anybody that sticks out that you can look 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.080 at and say they are definitely going to be better 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.600 in this system as opposed to maybe last Yeah. Well, 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.240 I mean guys like Anthony Brown, Right, I think Anthony 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.320 Brown will be He's gonna be for a guy with 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.840 his athletic skill set to pick up. You know, Cover 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.200 three is pretty simple. It's the third of the field 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.359 from the numbers to the boundary. Um. You know, I 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.520 think you know our Diggs is gonna benefit Grace. Yeah, 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.439 Trayvon Diggs is going to benefit greatly as well in 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.440 the cover three system. I mean, I think he could 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.280 do it all. He's one of the one guys that 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.480 you have that can do pretty much anything. But he's 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.520 gonna have to get better as well. Uh linebacker wise, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.399 I mean Laton vander esh Now, he's just gonna be 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.159 gap responsible and I think taking a lot of the 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.240 other reading part out of it will simplify And these 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.480 are worst that we're gonna start using in the off season. 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.200 That it's going to be a simplified defense where guys 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.520 are gonna have to think and read and react all 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.360 at the same time. So maybe that's the Maybe that's 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.159 the case. I think going back two years from twenty nineteen, 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.600 especially for Jalen Smith, you start seeing offense of linemen 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.720 get to him at the second level and he not 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.119 be effective. But Mike Nolan came in and the whole 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.840 thing premise was that we're gonna put Jaylen Smith in 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.320 a position to be a player. Right, he'll be able 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.520 to run free and not have guys on him. But 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.879 with un Terry Poe in his face, there's nothing he 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.480 could do. He's still will still marginalized as a player, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.080 and so now we bring in a coach that it's 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.240 going to make him better. But I still feel like 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.679 you still have some of the same woes with Jaylen 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.040 Smith in coverage versus tight ends. That's just that's just 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:37.280 not his game. It doesn't exist there. So him, Reddy Gregory, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.719 I think he'll benefit greatly in this system. So there 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.399 are a few guys that I just but but for 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.199 the most part, Uh, Dan Quinn is gonna have to 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.359 get his guys in. We know that he likes a 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.320 certain style of player, and I'm sure Isaiah knows this 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.479 with a more taller range, yer secondary guys. But you know, 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.760 it's it's gonna be a few changes, wholesale changes on 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.720 our defense. Isaiah. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.440 mean there's gonna be there's gonna be changed. Yeah, I 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.040 agree with me. Yeah, yeah, I mean we've been agreeing today. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:11.800 There's gonna be changed. I mean, but you know, the 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.640 mortal story is, you know you got a new decordinator. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:16.920 You know you got to look at your your personnel, 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.040 not only in your players, but also in your coaches, 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.959 your assistant coaches. Do you have the right guys in place. Um, 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:23.960 are there going to be any changes there? Um? And 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.639 then obviously you got turned to the draft, you know, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.280 you got turned to the draft and say, hey, what 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.199 the heck are we gonna do there? Um? Do we 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.760 you know what position do we have the greatest need of? Um? 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.080 You know, it's it's a lot, there's a lot of 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.120 things that have to happen. But you know, overall, I'm 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.560 pretty excited about about this guy. And I obviously I 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:39.960 know him a lot more that I know some of 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.640 the other candidates out there. But I think I think 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.480 that he bowls well for this this cultureless team right now. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.480 One of the biggest worries that I have about his 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.879 scheme and Jalen Smith is exactly what Heckma said earlier 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.959 is covering tight ends and get going back in the coverage. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.199 Because if you look at a cover three scheme, the 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.840 where's the weakness, It's on the hash mark. It's right 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.760 up the hash mark. Yeah. But wait when kJ, when 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.399 kJ came in, he kJ couldn't cover, couldn't cover with 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.639 a blanket. I'll just tell you he couldn't. He couldn't 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:13.600 put a blanket on a baby. No, for sure, Yeah, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:14.960 for sure. But you know, but but he ever to 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.800 get better. Though he can get better. He could be coached. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.479 He could be coached rand get his current state. I agree, 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.679 trust me, y'all know I agree. However, when you have 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:27.359 athletic ability, which I don't think anybody discounts that Jalen does. Right, 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.679 we realize that he's not as a guy as we 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.960 thought he was change of direction or exactly. Okay, but 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.960 I know that the strength conditioning coach, right who's now 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.399 in place, Um, I know he focuses on that a 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:41.199 lot because I had him in New England. So that 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.720 will be that will be better than it was. Um, 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.359 you know, hopefully they're in person for training. But also 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.639 you know, obviously some better coaching. There's a lot of 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.440 a lot of tips and tricks that are that are 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.240 that are passed along from generation and generation in this league. 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:54.399 And there's a lot of a lot of things that 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:55.840 he can learn from. So maybe they bring in a 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.560 veteran guy that can play alongside him, who knows, We'll see, 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.280 no matter what we do, no matter what we do 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.440 in the draft, our free agency, we have to get 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.639 guys absolutely come off the porch ready to play like 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.000 this is what you do no more project guys. We 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.400 gotta get it. You can't, We cannot miss Will McClay 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.560 and staff. They gotta have to get this right with 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.280 guys that can implement, get in right now and play. 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.439 And with everything that's happening with the draft and what 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.000 came down from the letter from the NFL about the 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.399 combine and all of that, it's gonna be a tougher 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.480 job to you know, evaluate look at these guys. But 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.480 what that's gonna force guys to do is go back 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.880 to the old way of just you gotta you gotta 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.880 put it on film. Film cannot you cannot go into 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.800 the combine left two twenty five thirty five times like 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:47.000 Isaiah did it get drafted? Oh Man and heck my 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.960 alluded to it. There was news about the combine. There 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.040 was also news that Philadelphia was going to interview Kellen 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.880 Moore and John Fossil. We're gonna take a break when 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.200 we come back, could be a couple more coaching changes. 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.720 How could that affect this current roster? And then also 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.119 how will combine affect the off season program for the 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.239 Cowboys as opposed to what it did last year? When 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.600 we come back, you're all Talking Cowboys presented by Geico. 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.440 There's nothing as unique as our eyes, which is why 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.520 Selor pioneers ways to make lenses as unique as you. 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:25.000 Varilux for super sharp vision, Essential Blue for protection, and 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:29.399 Crisolve for freedom from glare. Three cutting at solutions in 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:33.560 a single unique lens. 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I mean, 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.159 he's gotta you gotta learn what standby means anyways. But 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.040 we're back. You're on talking Cowboys and whether you're watching 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.080 from home or you're cheering and the stands. With Selore lenses, 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.199 you can see every exciting play book, an appointment at 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.399 your local slor experts and see what Selor can do 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:55.080 for you. See more, do more Selor and we'll talk 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.200 about the bows, quiet comfort, earboads can But I feel 0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:58.840 like this wouldn't be a segment to do that when 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.200 Heckma just doesn't listen. So I got that up here 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:06.879 in a little shoe to that one in a second. 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.680 He did allude to it a couple moments ago about 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:14.119 the changes to the Combine and Rob, I mean, I 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.440 know you, you talked about this yesterday in our group chat, 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:19.320 but the Combine is not going to be the Combine 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:23.080 this year. No meeting at Indianapolis, no in person workouts 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.560 or at least for a centralized location. All the workouts 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:30.920 are going to have to be done virtually or at 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.800 the different college campuses, and then the meetings are all virtual, 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.440 much like they were for the thirty day visits. Last year, 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:41.240 and then all of the in person medical examinations are limited. 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.360 So there's only a couple medical examinations in which will 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.679 be limited. And yeah, Isaiah already knows that that's the 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.639 most important part of the combine because that's why really 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.440 you do it, to gather that information on these prospects. 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.679 But Rob, how is this specifically going to affect the 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.240 Cowboys and the way that they go out and look 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:03.360 for personnel. I don't know that it affects the Cowboys 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:07.280 any different than anybody else. There's part of me that 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.760 feels like the whole draft process. I'm not overrating it, 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.800 but I think that we put so much on the 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.720 combine and being in person at those workouts, and I 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.280 think it matters. I think, you know, if all of 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.680 us have had job interviews, and I think it matters 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.800 to have that in person element to it. But you know, 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.920 they did some of those interviews, some of those top 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.480 thirty visits virtually because we were starting the pandemic back 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.359 then in the spring, so they have some familiarity with that. 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.880 I agree with you. I think the medical checks are 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.040 the biggest thing, and that's going to be restricted obviously, 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.760 But I don't know how much the interviews really factored 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.360 that much. I guess they're not going to be in 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:51.240 person to see the workouts, so there's that. But to me, 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.480 it's not just going forward, it's also the past few months, 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.120 you know, I think the scouts have been affected on 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:57.760 what they've been able to do in terms of getting 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.760 out on the road and seeing guys. It's just all 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.240 thirty two teams are dealing with it, and I think 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:08.280 the Cowboys at least their stability in the front office 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:12.000 with Will McClay and their scouting department, the personnel guys, 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.560 they know what they're looking for, and even with Dan 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.640 Quinn coming in a defensive coordinator, there's some scheme familiarity. 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.360 Like we talked about, they know what they're looking for. 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.720 I think that benefits them instead of a new front 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.840 office coming in. So and there's a few teams that 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.760 are like that. Yeah, there is a familiarity. And even 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.200 last year, whenever there was kind of the turnover from 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.760 a coaching staff, it was still a good enough draft 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.960 to where you felt good about it afterwards, and even 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.800 after their rookie season, you can say that guys like 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:43.480 Ceedee Lamb, Tyler beatis Neville, Gallimoor, Treyvon Diggs. I mean, 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.959 those are four guys by themselves that made significant impacts. 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.400 But Isaiah, whenever you look at kind of the medical 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.240 evaluations in the meetings, how much do those play a 0:29:54.280 --> 0:30:00.000 factor into maybe where you might end up via the draft? Huge? Huge. 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.360 The in person meetings are awesome because you get to 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.200 sit down and face to face with the coaches GMS. Um, 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:06.960 that's awesome, right, They get that, they get a true 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.240 understanding of who you are. I never forget my interview 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.400 with with with Chucky and how who We just sit 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.840 there and stared me down in an a quiet room 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.880 with him and Doug Williams in there, and I blinked 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.400 out on Doug William's name after he asked me that 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.120 if I knew who the first black quarterback was the 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.480 Super Bowl, I know. But I was like, of course 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:29.520 I know who it is. I was like, and I 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.840 was like, I told you, I said, he's in the room. 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:36.400 He said, yes he is. So that I mean that 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.160 that interview is uh is fun. But like I said 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.560 that that could be done virtually. The part that sucks 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.320 for the for the teams the injuries. Obviously, I came 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.880 out the draft with with with that, with my Liz 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.760 Frank injury. UM. The same year, Adrian Peterson was coming 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.400 out with the collar bone. So I remember spending hours 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.360 upon hours and me and Adrian Peterson after everybody's on 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.040 bus all the way back to the hotel. Him and 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.320 I are sleeping back to back because we're spending six 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.240 hours taking MRIs and X rays just because they wanted 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.120 to see every little square inch of our body. They 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.560 wanted to bring the prowd on us. They wanted to turn, 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.520 twist and turn and put their hands on you. It's 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.240 physically excruciating. I remember leaving one of those UM, one 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.800 of those appointments with all the trainers and they sit 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.440 you on a table. You literally sit at a training table, 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.680 and there's all the teams are around you in this 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.920 big old conference room, and they put you up there. 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.200 They call your name out and all the teams who 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.240 that are interested in you come out there. The doctors 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.080 come out there and there's literally like five six doctors 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.240 on you. They're all pulling on you, testing on whatever 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.360 injuries you might have had. They have every track record 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.520 from your college, every time you got a i V. 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:39.680 Every time you gotta ask for and they have all 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.760 that information and and and they're checking you out just 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.120 because you are an investment to them. So the fact 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.400 that they can't do that this year is huge because 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:52.360 that gives them the understanding and the in the confidence 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.520 that you're either going to be okay coming off of 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.600 an injury that that may have bothered you and been 0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:00.000 lingering over past years um or you're just in perfect health. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.280 So I think that's that's gonna hurt some teams, but 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.640 also it's gonna benefit some players for Canadas. Now, guys 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.160 get some opportunities that they probably wouldn't have got had 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.440 they had their hands on them. Do you feel like 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.240 maybe with the current situation of this that the connections 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.120 that are made by this front office are ultimately going 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.600 to pay dividends because if they're not going to have 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.720 these in person medical exams, you're gonna have to have connections, right, 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.920 You're gonna have to have that networking and the friendships 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.120 outside of your own organization and to these schools. We've 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.160 known in the past that Will McClay and his entire 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.720 staff really leans toward these bigger schools like the Alabamas 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.520 and the Ohio States. For some of their players. Maybe 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.840 those connections are gonna pay dividends for them. Heckma yeah. 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.320 I mean the coaching fraternity is a very big fraternity, 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:48.080 and these these scouts they talk amongst each other all 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.560 the time, so they're not gonna miss on guys at all. 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.080 I think the one thing that that what like Isaiah 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.320 was saying, and I think that Indianapolis has is the 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.880 hospital right there has state of the art equipment. UM, 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:03.800 and maybe that's one of those things that's going to 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:05.800 be missing. But I really think that guys are going 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.280 to earn their keep this year. You're gonna find out 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.080 the good scouting departments from the bad ones by the 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.680 guys that's not being able to go and pick out 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.960 cherry pick the players that are putting up those numbers. 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.760 And so look, I think when I think about the Star, 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.719 there's a there's a part of the Star where they 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.000 show gil Brandt's notes on players. I mean these are 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.880 handwritten notes and so it's been done before, you know what, 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.360 guys that had all the technology and the laser timing 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.480 and all of that. So I look, I look for 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.200 the ones that are true too, and to actually earn 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.120 the keeping. It's gonna be a lot of made of 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.600 evaluation looking at tape and how about the guys that 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:46.800 are that opted out that you have to go back 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.640 two years to look at that tape. So there's a 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.280 lot of things to be considered, and you know, how 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.520 much weight is it going to be on playing this 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.920 year versus last year? But also just making sure that 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.960 all of your notes and communicating on guys and the 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.480 one thing that this front office and coaching staff and 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.560 scouting department that connected in that way, well, these guys 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:08.800 are meeting with each other and finding out the type 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.560 of players that they want to bring in. So we 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.320 talk about culture, who are those guys? And I believe 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:17.000 that that's the part that we really should lean heavily 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.760 on because we're building that culture and coach Mike McCarthy 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.840 knows the kind of guys that he wants here. I 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.760 like that. I think that's a ton of the worries. 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:27.480 I think that's a ton of what we need to 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.839 look at for the Cowboys. And also, like we kind 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.800 of talked about it in the first segment, continuity is 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.960 going to play a big factor in the way that 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.360 you're going to be successful here. But are we speaking 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:39.080 too soon in terms of what that continuity may be. 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.080 And I say that because we've had a couple of 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.640 coaches this past week that have been rumored to have 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.479 done interviews with the Philadelphia Eagles. We'll start with Kellen 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.640 Moore here, Rob, I mean, what have you heard latest 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.640 on Kellen Moore? I heard that he took the interview, 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.920 but ultimately it was for the head coaching position. What 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.200 else have you heard about our offensive coordinator who a 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.000 couple of weeks ago we thought might have gone to 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.160 the college ranks. Now he's getting a head coaching interview 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:07.960 at the same division. Kellen Moore is hot. He's sibling 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:13.120 right now? Man? Uh yeah, Boise State? Now now Philly. 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.200 Who haven't they interviewed at this point? I think that's 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:21.640 got an interview for their defensive coordinator job. Just saying 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.360 I'm saying, uh yeah. Though it's a it's a wide net. 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.279 As we've seen online, They've they've they've been linked to 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.560 over a dozen names. Probably haven't heard anything other than 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.400 the fact that yes, he was scheduled to interview yesterday 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:39.920 for their opening and it honestly, it makes sense. It 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.000 makes sense given not not knowing what you know not 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.480 having ties to Philly's organization. It makes sense on the 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.400 outside of Okay, if you've got to fix Carson Wentz, 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.520 given the financial commitment you made to him, even if 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:53.919 you're even if you're not going to commit to Carson Wentz, 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:55.840 you've got Jalen Hurts, who's a young quarterback with a 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.480 lot of talent um. Bringing in a top offensive mind, 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.040 a young offensive mind, which Doug Peterson has been that 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.120 as well, makes a lot of sense. And Kellen Moore 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.000 is not the only offensive guy that's been linked to 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.160 the job. But I would see why they would want 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.200 to at least pick his brain and see where he's at. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.200 I don't know if that's ultimately the direction they're gonna go. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.560 I'd kind of you know, there are other names that 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.719 have been linked stronger to that job, but it's a 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.040 it's a pattern in their interview process that makes a 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.400 lot of sense. The other name is John Fossil. I 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.040 don't know if he's actually taken the interview yet or 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.719 even been offered an interview, but the report was from 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.520 NBC Sports and they said interested in interviewing Cowboys special 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.719 teams coordinator John Fossil. Isaiah, I know we actually kind 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.879 of grew to really enjoy John Fossil throughout the latter 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.000 parts of the season. At the beginning, it was definitely 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.799 wishy washy. But the way the job that he did 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.279 this year, I think couldn't be understated. Yeah, I mean, 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.640 I like the fact he came in aggressive and you know, 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.560 he is who he is, and I again, i'm energy guys, 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.319 so he he brought that energy. I think that you know, 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.719 as a special teams coordinator, your your job is a 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.480 really pushed the envelope to make sure that you have 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.920 the personnel, make sure that you guys understand the schemes, 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.520 and then obviously push your coach to take risks. And 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.279 I think he did that. Um, I just don't think 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.239 that he expected a coach to say yes to as 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:21.080 many things as he pushed on. But I mean, I mean, 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.400 what you what you asked them, especial teams coordinator, I 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.360 think he did. I really think he came in and 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:27.600 did a good job. I just I just think that, uh, 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.319 you know, coach, coach McCarthy definitely should have should have 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.439 pushed puncher, pushed the brakes a couple of times on him. 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.480 But the fact that and it's kind of interesting that 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:38.479 he's being asked to He's being asked to go somewhere else. 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.880 That's that's kind of that's kind of odd to me, 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.040 really really odd. But I don't know who knows which 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.560 one would be a bigger loss for the Cowboys, Kellen 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:52.440 Moore or John Fossil tell them more, Yeah, I think so, okay, yeah, 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.560 kell him more. Yeah. But you know, Kyle, I just 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.520 wanted to say, nothing surprises me about the Eagles and 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.520 them wanted to bring and Kelly Moore and this spying 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:07.120 on us than doing uh. But you know, when you 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.600 look around the NFL and the guys that have been hired, 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.560 you see a league that is going younger. You see 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:16.360 they everybody's trying to find that new boy, Jenius, the McVeigh, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:20.160 the Shanahans of the world, and they know that that's 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.359 you know, that's where the league is going. They're getting 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.279 rid of a lot of that old blood and the 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.560 coaching coaching ranks. But you know, it wouldn't surprise me 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.560 if in the next couple of years that Kelly Moore 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.040 landed himself at a head coaching job based off of 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.880 the numbers that he's putting up here. But when you 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.680 talk about Bones, Fossil also a great coach hardball and 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.160 Baltimore started off as a special teams coach. So there's 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.319 history there of coaches special teams coaches being hired as 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.319 head coaching as head coaches in this league. So you know, 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.920 look for the Cowboys right now. You say, you talk 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:55.359 about losing Kelly Moore and also you know the DAKH perspective, 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:57.240 you know, that would be huge for us to find 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.880 that replacement who can bring in those same verbiage. Then 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:05.640 I think kept death familiarity in the offensive scheme intact 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:09.239 this year with Kelln Moore. So it's interesting. And you know, 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:13.200 I think Kellen has critics. I think everybody wants everybody 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:14.839 says on their couch and said I would have called 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:16.799 this play. You know, that's that's that's part of being 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:18.640 a fan, you know, And so he has his critics, 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:20.680 but I think a lot of it's hecks right. Like 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:23.640 he's a young coach. I think he's on the uprise. 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.000 He's gonna get better, kind of like we talked about Dak. 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.759 You know, negotiations with Dak started a year and a 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.279 half ago whatever, And you know you're you're gonna be 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.439 paying Dak for what you think he can develop into. 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.319 And I think that's what you know. It's the same 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.719 deal with Kellen as a play caller and eventually he Yeah, 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.480 I agree, I think he's gonna be a head coach. 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.280 Don't forget Sean Payton. Before he came to the Cowboys 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.480 in OH three, he was with the Giants and he 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.680 had his play calling duty stripped with the Giants, you know, 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.439 and so as a as a very young coach, and 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.239 I think he's probably I think he's gonna head to 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.319 the Hall of Fame one day. So, uh, you know, 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.000 coach coaches can get better too. And I think I 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.040 think Kellen will got two things for you, Kyle. I 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:01.879 think we have a new D line coach. I think 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:06.120 that saw that come across. Yes, But also does I 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:07.959 know we posed this question whenever it came up about 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.120 Boise State, does Killamore leave? Can you turn down You 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:12.839 can turn down a college job, but can you turn 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.520 down the hay coaching job for Philly? No, there's there's 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.480 only thirty two of those jobs. You gotta do what 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.080 you gotta do, right Yep. I agree. I'll just making 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:26.640 sure y'all. I mean you could. You could Jason Garrett. 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.320 The rumors that Jason Garrett had an opportunity in Baltimore 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.480 and when he was the OC here and and waited 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.520 and stayed so but yeah, I agree, it's it's hard 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:40.520 to turn down a very rare opportunity. Yeah, you just don't. 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.120 Rob tell us about this new defensive line coach. His 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.799 name is Aiden Dirt. I hope I'm pronouncing his last 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:53.239 name right. He we talked about familiarity. Second assistant coach 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.320 to join Dan Quinn on the defensive side of the 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.480 ball from Atlanta. He's a young coach um. He worked 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.000 with the line Packers I believe in Atlanta and former 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:07.680 He's English, he's a former NFL Europe player, So he's 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.720 a young coach taking over that position. Don't forget dan Quinn. 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.040 He is schooled in coaching D line, so I would 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.160 imagine he might be pretty hands on as well as 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.560 being the DC to help with that position. But also 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:24.000 Joe Witt, who interviewed for the DC job, is also 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:27.920 expected to come aboard in an untitled role, probably to 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:30.719 help in the secondary obviously. I think that's interesting because 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.719 we talked about Joe Witt last week as one of 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.400 the names that was potentially going to be the coordinator, 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.440 and you not only get Dan Quinn, but you get 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.160 Joe Witt to come along as well. I think that's 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:42.480 kind of a win win from coach McCarthy, don't you think, Acma, No, 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.360 I do. I mean he's bringing over a lot of 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.960 his guys and you kind of expected and the rumors 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.960 were that Wit and Quinn are kind of conjoined, that 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:53.879 they hip as far as a hire. So it doesn't 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.160 surprise me that these guys are coming on. Leet it 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.200 be and you know, coordinators are you know, passing game, 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.000 coordinate all of the those things that the guys are 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.280 positions that consecating. But it's important that these guys figure 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.480 out a way to get this defense playing again. Defensive 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:13.319 line coach from NFL Europe, he has his work cut 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.879 out for him because they're changing schemes and he's gonna 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.080 have a bunch of guys that he's gonna have to 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:21.960 coach up. And like you said, Rob Quinn is probably 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.960 because of his roots as a defensive line coach, is 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.319 going to be really hands on there. So interesting. Hire 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:31.320 can't wait to talk to him. Yeah, this is gonna 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.000 be fun to talk about over the next couple of weeks. 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And hey, he's got them 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.560 turned on this time, Thank goodness. Heck my Harrison's got 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:29.799 those second. Oh, Rob Phillips, we've got Isaiah stand back, 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:35.880 I'm cow final couple minutes here of Talking Cowboys. Got 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.359 about a fifteen minutes. Wait, wait, we gotta hear heck 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:43.560 say it's Oh what does it sound like? Heck, it's 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:51.720 like a simphony in my head. Yeah, you had to 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.959 get it all ready to go. I like it so good. 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.799 Four teams left in the NFL playoffs. We've got the 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.880 Kansas City Chiefs. To no surprise, we've got the Buffalo Bills. 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.760 Those are that's your AFC Championship game. In the NFC 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:09.680 Championship game. It's still twenty fourteen, apparently because it's the 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.680 Packers led by Aaron Rodgers, and it's Tom Brady h now, 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.080 not with the Patriots and not in the AFC, but 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.600 he's in the NFC with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.759 what surprise that has been. And really kudos to everybody 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.920 around that that organization of putting a good roster together 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.400 and allowing Tom Brady to be successful. The former teammate 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.520 of Isaiah Stanback. That's probably gonna be on his Hall 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:37.000 of Fame bust I think, Isaiah, you're right, former teammate 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.200 of Isaiah Stanback. It definitely didn't make that list. Definitely 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:45.480 didn't make that list. Now, whenever he comes to these 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:50.160 four teams, I mean, it's it's really four different blueprints 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:53.120 on how to win and how to get to where 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.800 they are at this very moment now. I think probably 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:59.040 the most similar blueprints are most likely the NFC or 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.480 excuse me, the af Championship game with Buffalo and with 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.200 Kansas City. They were built similarly, but in just that 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.720 different time periods. But whenever you look at these four teams, 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.000 what is something that the Cowboys can take from them? 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.279 And how to learn how to get back to an 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:18.080 NFC in a conference championship game. Well, I mean, man, 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:22.680 this whole playoff series to me has been separating the 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.399 guys with pea shooter arms from the guys that have 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:30.399 bazooka arms. And the final four is all bazookas. And 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.120 if you want to have any success in the NFL, 0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:36.359 and this NFL with spread out and has past all 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.920 these passing yards that they're putting up, you're gonna have 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.239 to have a guy with the arm that can facilitate 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:43.879 all of that. And you see that with these top 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.200 four teams and just the numbers that they've put up 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:49.560 this year. I mean going back to the matchup with 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.400 Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, Boy, that is a showcase 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.560 of two of the mostly league quarterbacks to do it. 0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:00.360 And that's why I'm really excited about. But Josh Allen 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.680 is doing a phenomenal job in Buffalo and they won 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.439 that game against Baltimore, and it was just a hard 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.279 game to watch, especially with Lamar Jackson not being able 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.080 to stretch the field. And that's something that's a young 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.239 quarterback and I'm pulling for him, but it doesn't matter 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:18.200 if he can have the MVPs, all of those things, man, 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.600 but if you cannot stretch the field, teams are just 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.920 going to load up on you, especially in a winner 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.320 take all kind of a situation. But talking about the 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.440 Kansas City Chiefs, and I think it was their defense 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:36.440 that really impressed me, and just the Honey Badger and 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.279 his ability to turn that run back in right, and 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.200 it just shows you what you can do when you 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.400 have a safety that can play like that at the 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:48.680 line of scrimmage. And it was just masterful what Spagnola 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.520 did and that those last couple of defensive play callings 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:54.600 play calls was just a picasso. Man. They did a 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.799 really good job. And so I'm looking forward to that 0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.600 game as well. So the Cowboys could learn by getting 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.719 their a one quarterback and also getting a safety that 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:09.960 can turn the run. Rob, Yeah, I'm totally with you. Heck, 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.600 I've marked down defense and get yourself a franchise quarterback. 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.080 And that's why the Cowboys are trying are trying to 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:21.480 resign Dak Prescott long term, because that's what it takes. 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.760 I went back and I looked at like the last 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:27.719 ten seasons, Okay, the final four in the championship game. 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:31.279 So that's forty slots according to my math, my terrible math, 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.440 and twenty five of those spots over the last ten 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.680 years have gone to just a handful of quarterbacks. It's Mahomes, 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:43.120 it's Brady, it's Russ, It's been Roethlisberger, It's Rogers, Peyton Manning, 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.759 Drew Brees, Eli Manning, and I threw Matt Ryan in 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:48.759 there too, who's been been an MVP and been to 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.760 a super Bowl. And mixed in there those other fifteen spots, 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.360 you might have guys that sneak in a Folds or 0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:59.480 a Kirk Cousins or you know Tannehill last year, but 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.840 like that's rare Garoppolo. It's not. If you want to 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:05.600 get there, you're in, you're out. You better have a 0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:08.960 really good quarterback. And for those that say, oh, draft 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.960 one in the top five, look at the NFC East, 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.440 look at Daniel Jones. The jury is still out on 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:19.560 Daniel Jones. It's Carson Wentz, Mitch Trubisky who lost in 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.359 the in the first round this year, all really high 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.680 draft picks. There is no guarantee. There's just no guarantee 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.719 that it's gonna work out for you. So if you 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:29.800 think you've got a really good one who's gonna be 0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:34.480 potentially a great one, Keep him, keep him around, figure 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:40.719 it out. Yeah, yeah, Isaiah. Two things stick out to me. 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:43.200 I think I think about the character of the coaches. 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:46.319 I think about the character to coaches in and how 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:49.960 the fact that they have not only on their team 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:55.239 and their players, but also the second one is culture, right, 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.600 And I use that word a lot, but it's important. 0:50:57.920 --> 0:50:59.680 It's important. I mean, you guys, think about green Bank. 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:02.719 Green Bay use their first round pick on another quarterback. 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:07.080 They use it on his freaking replacement. They didn't give 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.040 him any additional help in their regard and look where 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.120 they're still at. That's you're right, that's amazing. Yeah, look 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.240 where they're still at. Right, So they could have easily 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.080 gave him another you know, a CD Lamb or something 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.400 like that, right to help him out, but they didn't. 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.120 They didn't because they know that at the route they're 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.000 still good. They know that the route. They have a 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:25.920 great coach. They know at the route they have a 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.400 great quarterback who is gonna lead this team. And the 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:30.520 culture of their team is to go out there and 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.719 take young players and veteran players, put them on the 0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:35.000 field together, and everybody's gonna do their job effectively to 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:36.719 put them in a position to go after the Super 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.359 Bowl every year. Right, you go to Kansas City, Andy Reid, 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:42.560 Andy Reid is Andy Reid, Right, he is who he is. 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.000 He's gonna If you're gonna play for Andy Reid, guess what, 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.160 you're gonna be tough, Right, You're gonna be You're gonna 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:49.120 be an energetic, You're gonna be a team player. Nobody 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.440 cares about your personal accolades. We all care about what 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:53.279 we can do for the team. What's your contribution to 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.279 this team. That's his culture out there. You go to Buffalo, right, 0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:00.480 go out the Buffalo, new coach, right, new coach out there, right, 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.080 and he's out there doing making things happen, making things happen. 0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.160 And you know they're they're building their culture out there. 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.520 You could tell it's tough, it's gritty, is grind it 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:09.399 out right. When people come through us, they're gonna they're 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.880 gonna feel it no matter what happens. Right, young quarterback 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.440 that's growing and developing. Right. And then and then obviously 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.360 and then you look at Tampa Bay, Well, we know 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:19.440 what that's about. Bruce arians is no nonsense, right, straight, 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.399 no chaser, and this is what you get. We are 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:25.040 a tough team. They have a solid defense that desn't 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.200 gives them. Did get enough credit. They're about to get 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:30.279 tougher with my boyfriend Vita Vea coming back you dub 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.239 coming on a d line. So their their defense is tough. 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:34.680 And then what they go out there and get the 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:38.120 goat at quarterback who everybody wants to play with. Why 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.879 because of the culture that he establishes on that side 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.560 of the ball. They know. These teams know who they are. 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.040 They have identities. They're not soul searching trying to figure 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:48.000 out who they are. That's what this that's what the 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.080 Cowboys need to pay attention to and try to try 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.680 to pick up from these playoffs. Well, how far are 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.440 they from that? Because I feel like it's light years. 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.560 I mean at least after this season, right, I mean, 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.520 Mike McCarthy can get to that point. We've seen that already. 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:02.440 He can get to the point as a head coach 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:04.440 to where he has that kind of control and that 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.200 kind of swagger I guess underneath him. And you have 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.160 a franchise quarterback in Dak Prescott that you have to 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.440 lock up contract wise, but surely that's something that's a 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.880 priority for this Cowboys team this offseason. But outside of that, 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:20.040 there really hasn't been that identity. There hasn't been that swagger. 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:23.680 There hasn't been the kind of mindset that by everyone's 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:27.000 going to do their jobs. It's more of a this 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.960 is going to be a harsh word, but it's coddling. 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.160 It's it's what it feels like. It feels like you 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.560 coddle a lot of these players until they finally show 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:39.719 some things. Sadovan Wilson. Look at Donovan Wilson specifically. I mean, 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.720 I love that word. But you caught on Donovan Wilson 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.040 for a year and a half and then all of 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.040 a sudden he's the best player on your defense the 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.799 final six games of the year. That's that's all I'm saying. 0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.080 I mean, that's one example. There are plenty of those. 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:56.440 But Isaiah, how do you get past that point to 0:53:56.560 --> 0:54:00.160 where it's now it's a it's it's expected to him 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.560 in and do your job, whether you're yeah, your trade 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.120 bar it's not expected yet here. But how do you 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:08.280 get to that? You know what I wish we had 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.719 behind the veil in terms of had a little bit 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.400 closer look to the to their what their coaching staff 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.640 does and practice and all those things. This year obviously 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:19.319 COVID threw a curveball on that. However, um, from what 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.240 we can see, From what we can see, I believe 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:24.360 that coach McCarthy was a little bit too complacent. He 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:29.480 did not establish, uh, establish his will, establish his culture here. 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:31.480 I think he needs to be a lot more hands on. 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.680 Does that mean him calling plays? I don't know. Right 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:36.920 Maybe he'll get the opportunity because he might have Alvin's 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:40.480 coordinator here. But I think that he needs to enforce 0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.320 his will more because those teams that we talked about, 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:46.799 those coaches are in the background. You know they're they're 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.520 not just in the background. You know they do their job. 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:50.719 Bruce arians does his job right. He doesn't have to 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:52.279 say he will. He's something. He does speak up a 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.840 little bit too much sometime. But but that but you 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:58.080 you feel that, you feel that that that energy that 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.520 he puts off, right, that that vibe, that greediness you 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:03.040 feel that with his team. Did you got to see 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:05.960 his center? His center is a jerk. I love it, right, man, 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.520 I feel like that's him reincardinated on the field, right, 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.919 and then you look at you look at Buffalo their coach, 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:15.160 gritty gritty, right, Andy Reid. Guess what he is calling 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:17.600 those plays, no question about it, right, And you got 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:19.759 a Green Bay. But La Fleur or whatever his name is, 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.600 I don't know what I say. He's out there calling 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.200 plays too. So I guess all those coaches have a 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:28.160 direct impact on the results of what happens on the field. 0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:30.520 And I think that McCarthy came in and try to 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:32.719 give his coaches too much power, and I think he 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:34.920 needs to really step into a lot more prominent role 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:40.000 this year. Rob. No, No, that's that's that's interesting. And 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:43.000 I agree with you, you know, and I think you know, 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:46.200 COVID was weird in terms of trying to I don't know, 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.200 established culture, because you gotta stay apart, you gotta do 0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:50.920 all these things with a mask and all that. I think. 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.520 I do think it was a weird year to try 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:55.879 to do that. But I agree. I think you've got 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:57.799 to put your stamp on what you want to do. 0:55:57.800 --> 0:55:59.719 And defensively, they've got to do that too. They got 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.960 to they got to kind of start over and figure 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.399 out how they want to approach that. So the other 0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:07.840 thing I would add to piggyback on what Heck said. 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.520 I'm just looking at these scores in the divisional round, 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:16.160 and this season was all about offense, right, Well, defense 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.719 still matters a little bit. The teams that lost over 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.279 the weekend. Baltimore had three points, Cleveland had forty eight 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:26.399 in the first round seventeen against Kansas City, Tampa Bay 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:29.400 beating New Orleans had twenty, and the Rams had eighteen. 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.040 So yeah, you know, the Cowboys get healthy, they can 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:34.719 put up a lot of points, but if they don't 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.560 get their defense fixed, they could make the playoffs. But 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:42.160 to keep playing into late January, your defense still matters. Yep. 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.920 You could talk about coddling these guys, swaddling these guys, 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:49.319 whatever you want to, but they're just the signs of 0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:54.160 why this season was a failure statistically and just in 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.279 every way. You look at the injuries on the offensive line, 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.800 there aren't any other teams that had was decimated to 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:04.960 that our team was with, you know, retiring players, both 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:08.960 of your tackles going down, losing your all pro right guard, 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:12.440 all of those things that happened, and oh yeah, losing 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.080 your stark quarterback and so I think we live in 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:16.960 the world where we think that we could just plug 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.680 and play guys and still get the same results, and 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:22.400 that's not that way. I think, you know, the Cowboys 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:24.880 defensive Dan Quinn could come in and do his job, 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.280 and these guys can get some stops. You were in 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.240 games that you could have won, or if you were 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:34.040 able to get some type of turnover or a stop. 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:36.640 That was the problem. Even when we turned the ball over. 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.880 Teams were getting points off of our turnovers. And that's 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.800 not a guarantee thing. It's just because our defense couldn't 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.240 stop anyone. And once Dak went out and we had 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:47.960 our offensive problems and Bend the Nucci was doing the 0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.800 Uncle Rico and all of that, man we had, it 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:52.600 was just gonna be what it was gonna be. And 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.040 so we shouldn't be surprised that we're here. But just 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.120 going on the positive note, building this defense getting the 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:00.960 kind of plays in the culture that Isaiah keeps going 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.840 back too. I think it's important and what is that culture, 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:08.680 dog culture, goon culture. Guys, it's gonna come in and Okay, 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:11.200 football the way that it's supposed to be played, not 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:13.440 a whole bunch of guys just want to be soft body. 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:15.800 You know, let's just know what we're gonna do and 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.680 so get to that championship level. If you're looking at 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:20.360 the teams that are up there and you want to 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:23.160 immolate and mimic what they do, look at the personnel 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:26.200 that they play with. Hey, it's not Friday, but I 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:32.840 feel you. Heck, say, what's your chest? It's the seasons season. 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:35.480 We can still say it with our chest season. I 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.400 love miss you guys, man, you know, and and heck, 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.280 you made a great point in the fact that excuses 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:44.640 are I mean, injuries are in excuses to a certain extent. 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:46.960 I mean, but with the extent of what happened with 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.040 the Cowboys this season, look at what happened in the 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:53.120 AFC Divisional round with Kansas City. You lose your guy. 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.880 I mean, we would all agree that Kansas City is 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:59.520 built maybe three times better than the Dallas Cowboys on 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.320 both sides of the football, even if you take Patrick 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.680 Mahomes out of the equation. That's exactly what happened. They 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.800 took Patrick Mahomes out of the equation and all of 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.080 a sudden, Cleveland goes on a run. And if they 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:12.480 had one more possession, probably would have won that game. 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:16.800 Ultimately they would they out of defense, Yeah, exactly, they 0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.120 ran out of time. Cleveland still would have won that 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:22.000 game solely based on the fact that Patrick Mahomes was 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.920 taken out of the equation, even though Cleveland was not 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.200 nearly as good of a team as Kansas City. But 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.880 that just shows the importance of having that leader, of 0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:32.560 having that franchise quarterback, and having somebody that you can 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.920 rely on. And of course the Cowboys didn't have that 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:38.280 for the final twelve weeks of the season because of 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:41.320 what happened to Dak Prescott. So that's gonna happen. That's 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:45.000 always going to change the outlook of your football program 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:48.280 and your football team. But I mean, at the same time, 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:50.680 you can't make those excuses every year. If the same 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.560 thing happens in twenty twenty one, you have to be 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:58.520 able to combat that. Right if you lose your left tackle, 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:02.640 you're right tackle, your quarterback, you gotta be You've got 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:07.080 to be better prepared, Like right now, Kansas City is 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.800 not prepared to go into the Yeah, I was thinking 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.960 that too. This is yeah, that happened, So you got 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:15.520 people wanted to move the AMC Championship game the next 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:19.120 Wednesday to give him a chance to play. So, I mean, 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:21.560 the personnel is important. When you have those guys that 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:24.120 get it done for you and have the entire season, 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:27.520 we cannot underscore their importance to your squad. It's just 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:31.080 it is what it is, man, yep, I mean, and 1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:32.919 it's something that the Cowboys are gonna have to figure 1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:35.640 out this offseason. It's something that that they've got to 1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:38.000 get done. I think Dak Prescott and when next week, 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:41.640 when we're back on Monday at eleven thirty Central time, 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.560 we're gonna talk about Dak Prescott. What is the timeline 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:48.720 for Dak? And how worried and when shouldn't you be 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:53.320 worried this offseason? How does this negotiation go and some 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:56.920 of the important dates along for the off season program 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:58.920 for this Dallas Cowboys team. But that's gonna do it 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:02.120 for us. You're all Talking Cowboys presented by Geico. For 1:01:02.200 --> 1:01:04.600 Chris Bean, back at the Star, for Isaiah stand Back, 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:10.000 for Rob Phillips and for heck My Harrison. I'm oh, 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:11.920 we're all we're all doing it this time. That's there 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.920 for us here on Talking Cowboys. We'll see you on Monday. 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.640 Get your role on Come. This has been a production 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:22.479 of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.