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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always buy ours bar match. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we have ever disagreed on an individual

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Speaker 2: player more than we do on Marcus Smart.

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Speaker 1: So don't get it. You don't get you don't know ball.

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Speaker 2: I don't know ball. Please please, Sometimes you don't know ball.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know ball. Fine, fine, you can take

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Speaker 2: your take your digs, take your slights. We're gonna talk football,

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Speaker 2: other ball. And this is uh Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth,

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two with you for the next thing.

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Speaker 2: We'll call it like hour and thirty or so. A

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Speaker 2: lot of me and the host chair today, Alex. People

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Speaker 2: that are noticing to PU or listening to me. Now,

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Speaker 2: those emailers that email in Madden say that they can't

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Speaker 2: stand my voice and don't want to hear me and

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. They they're ship out of luck today.

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Speaker 2: They are rough times for them. You got my voice

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Speaker 2: hosting the show, facilitating leading the charge for for almost

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Speaker 2: four hours. So I put that in your pipe and

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Speaker 2: smoke it right. We got some news to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Ye got some news, And I always I'll take news,

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Speaker 2: any type of news this time of year, except you know,

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Speaker 2: good news or wherever you want to take it, not

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Speaker 2: off field news. Let me put it to you that way. Uh,

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Speaker 2: DeVante Parker here to to stay, here, to stick around.

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Speaker 2: I have I have a little bit of a of

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Speaker 2: a of a long winded take on this. So bear

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Speaker 2: with me for a second, and you know, fill in

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Speaker 2: as you as you always do, so I have you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought about this a lot last night where degenerates Alex.

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Speaker 2: I think we both probably do this every once in

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Speaker 2: a while that like things like this like kind of

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Speaker 2: think about how you really feel about these things.

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Speaker 1: I was at trivia and I just kept talking about

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Speaker 1: DeVante Parker.

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Speaker 2: You just answer the questionable, I would, Devant. I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 2: Devonte Parker had me up until like one am last

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Speaker 2: night thinking all of the different permutations and all the

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Speaker 2: like that, knowing that I was gonna, you know, give

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Speaker 2: this take on the air tomorrow. That should not happen Okay,

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Speaker 2: first and foremost that that should not be a thing.

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Speaker 2: We're just sickos. But anyways, here's my take on DeVante

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Speaker 2: Parker on a micro level. I have no issues with

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Speaker 2: Devonte Parker. I have no issues with the contract. I

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Speaker 2: think that the his agent deserves a award for putting

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Speaker 2: gonna look nothing like a three for thirty three deal. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so good kudos to the agent. Good for you, Yeah

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Speaker 2: you got you got it to look nice and peachy

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Speaker 2: Pat on the back for you. So mainly, I think

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Speaker 1: I also think that.

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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, DeVante Parker went out there when involved,

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Speaker 2: last year. He converted more targets into explosive plays than

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Speaker 2: then you say, well, Evan, they got a player that

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Speaker 2: Why would you How could you criticize this move? I

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Speaker 2: other high price positions corner, pass, rusher, tackle, you get

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Speaker 2: what you pay for. Now if you use a first

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Speaker 2: The Patriots, my concern is is that they they truly

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Speaker 2: This is they're comfortable with mid with Fine. He plays

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Speaker 2: that's all we need. We just need role players, and

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Speaker 2: they still ignore the star power. And I think the

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Speaker 2: You know, Tom Brady's not walking through the door. He's

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Speaker 2: not the one that's going to be elevated this thing anymore.

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Speaker 2: You have to approach it a little bit differently because

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Speaker 2: separate those two things, I don't mind Devanta Parker, I

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Speaker 2: don't mind the contract. What I mind is what it

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Speaker 2: In a micro level find contract, fine player, macro level,

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Speaker 2: we're settling for fine again, if that's all we're doing,

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Speaker 2: if we're just running into the season with this group,

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Speaker 2: they're they're good with fine at the skill positions, and

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Speaker 2: that that's concerning that they don't see that, right, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with some of that. I

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far. I think if he signs

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Speaker 1: to be, well, why couldn't they top that? That would

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Speaker 1: your point of they've gone cheap at receiver. But the

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Speaker 1: only they only had Smith, Schuster and Taekwon under contract

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Speaker 1: I guess my point would be, I don't disagree with

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Speaker 1: in the last I don't know decade like how I however,

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Speaker 1: for a back you want to go, right, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: This contract shouldn't change that. This contract, they should be

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Speaker 1: but they weren't going to do that besides before they

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Speaker 1: They needed a third wide receiver, they sign a third

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Speaker 1: Now maybe only two of those years of guarantee. That

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the contract itself. Initially

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Speaker 1: reports since that that's not the case. The whole bigger picture,

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Speaker 1: how they addressed the wide receiver position, this has nothing

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Speaker 2: I guess it just hammers at home for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know that it Hammers at home.

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Speaker 2: It's another example of it though, And we go back

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Speaker 1: Would hit right that Hammer at home would Hammer's at home.

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Speaker 1: Is the fact that we're at this point and the

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Speaker 1: for third receiver money a team who's a very good

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Speaker 1: Devonte Parker was trending with DeAndre Hopkins because we Patriots

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Speaker 1: fans can't wrap their minds around right or not, can't

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Speaker 1: wrap their minds around they are going to sign this deal,

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Speaker 1: which is a good deal for the player that he is,

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Speaker 1: and still pursue a true number one wide us.

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Speaker 2: Because because I don't think that it's so much that

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Speaker 2: The cash is what mister Kraft when he goes to

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Speaker 1: So that's my point. This is more what bothers me

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Speaker 2: And well, they're operating like a team that's paying a

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Speaker 1: We can have it, so we can have this conversation

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Speaker 2: So the point the point with Hopkins, and I understand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's twelve million bucks.

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Speaker 2: The problem with that is is that it's still below

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put I'm not gonna fault a team

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Speaker 1: I've already I've already done this. They should have paid

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Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't address it in the draft, they

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Speaker 1: Then then it doesn't change the money's But the money's

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Speaker 1: I do, because if they pay him enough to get him,

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Speaker 1: Letting it get to that point you don't need the

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Speaker 2: And I think that's because it fact they could.

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Speaker 2: My whole point, though, is about philosophy, right, and about

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Speaker 2: Hopkins is available on June twenty ninth, and he'll take

435
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Speaker 2: a deal that's that's reasonable because he is thirty one

436
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: years old, and he does have some red flags, and

437
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: he is available late in the offseason, they'll take them.

438
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: I think the same can be said, you know, from

439
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: everything that I've heard, I think we've heard similar things

440
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: about Dalvin Cook. They would take Dalvin Cook at the

441
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: right price. And I'm not saying that you should overpay

442
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook. But the point is is that they'll take

443
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: anybody at that price. Like, give you the probkay.

444
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: But but I think it's two separate things. It's I

445
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: have no problem if a good football player is available

446
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: late in the summer saying, you know, because at a

447
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: certain point with guys. We talked about this with guys

448
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: like Ezekiel Elliott and Leonard Fournette. Hey, if you don't

449
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: want to sit the season out, will take you. Yeah.

450
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: I have no problem with just checking in on guys

451
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: late in the summer. The bigger problem is coming into

452
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: this offseason and you set it off the top. It's

453
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Speaker 1: not just receiver where they do this, They've done in

454
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: other positions. Yeah, kind of just bargain shopping, going for quantity,

455
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: over quality. Just the more guys we have, the higher

456
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: the odds one of them sticks. Yeah, what were their

457
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: two biggest needs going into the off seas? They're two

458
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: biggest above all else. There wasn't a close three. It

459
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: was wide receiver and tackle. And here we are on

460
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: June twenty ninth, and what are their two biggest needs?

461
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: Wide receiver and tackle. They did address corner, which was

462
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: in need. I'll give them credit for that, but it's

463
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: not a money thing. It's a positional impact thing, right.

464
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: And I just.

465
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: As an objective observer of this team and as a

466
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: Patriot fan. If I was a Patriot fan, I would

467
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: look at this offense right now and I would say,

468
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna go into this season. We're gonna go into

469
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: this season with DeVante Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster, Taekwon Thor,

470
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: and Kendrick Bourne as our receiver room. And we're gonna

471
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Speaker 2: go into this season with our starting tackles probably being

472
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: Trent Brown in a thirty four year old Riley Reef

473
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: and our management and our football plat operations says, yeah,

474
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: that's cool. Yeah, well we'll win with that. That's fine, right. No,

475
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: to me, that's unacceptable, Like to me, that's not good enough.

476
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: And if in six months they're an eleven win team

477
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: and they're playing on Divisional round weekend because they want

478
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: to watch card game, and like, I'll eat Crow, I'll

479
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: admit that I was wrong. But they're showing the twenty

480
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: ten's patriot thing is starting right now, and ya, I

481
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: will be.

482
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Up at midnight watching the Belichick Saving documentary and.

483
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 2: You look at Brady and Gronk and Edelman and mccordy

484
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 2: and Reevis and then Gilmore and like these players offensively defensively.

485
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: I can talk myself into some of the guys, the

486
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: younger guys blossoming into that type of player, a Kyle Duggar,

487
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: a Christian bar More, Christian Gonzalez, like I can talk

488
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: myself into that for everybody to not be totally negative

489
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: Nelly right now, where is that coming from? Offensively? And

490
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: I look at this, this receiving core now too, And

491
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: I want to spin it a little bit to Taekwon

492
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: Thornton because where does this the dust settle for the

493
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: Let's just assume Hopkins is in the mix, and then

494
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: we'll assume Hopkins is in the mix, but let's assume

495
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: he isn't first. Yeah, you are now paying Devonte Parker,

496
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: so he's playing. Yes, if he's healthy, he's playing. Yes,

497
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: you're paying Jujus ms Schuster, same thing, healthy play. You're

498
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: paying both tight ends, so both healthy, both playing. So

499
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton at best at this point is being viewed

500
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: as the third receiver in true eleven personnel. Maybe if

501
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: Kendrick Born isn't here.

502
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: It's him and Kendrick Burn competing for that.

503
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: And and forget about being on the field in twelve personnel.

504
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: He's unless it's a certain package or a certain situation

505
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: where they're trying to hit something down the field, he's

506
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: not going to be out there. So now you're blocking Taekwon.

507
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: And you told me last night over text that I

508
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: need to get over Taekwon. Maybe I do, but I no.

509
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's not the full context. The full

510
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: context was walking it back. Now No, I'm not walking

511
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: it back. I'm giving the context. Okay, because we were talking

512
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: about it. So I know you said you want to

513
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: put Hawkins aside, but we were talking about it in

514
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: the context of if they signed Hopkins.

515
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Then forget about it. He's just he's like the fifth receiver.

516
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: Right, But here's my So, what does it look like

517
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: if they get Hopkins. I know, we all thought Parker

518
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: was the oddo man out. We were wrong on that.

519
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: Seemed like it made the most sense. Apparently they're gonna

520
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: go elsewhere. So you're gonna have Parker at the X.

521
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Either way, Juju's in the slot. Juju was the least

522
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: affected by all of this, the extensions on Hopkins anything,

523
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: but so Juju the slot, Parker at the X, Hopkins

524
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: becomes the Z. Yeah, and then that in effect berries Taekwon, Thornton.

525
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: You have Thornton and Born or buried. Maybe Born becomes

526
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: a cut candidate or a trade candidate, but Thornton is

527
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: now like way down on the depth chart. Before we

528
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: thought it was Parker gets cut, Hopkins is the X

529
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: and Thornton and Bourne are still battling for that Z spot.

530
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: And you said, you know, don't bury Taikwon. You gotta

531
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: figure out blah blah blah. My counterpoint to that was, well,

532
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: you're giving Taekwon. I'm not giving up on him. No.

533
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: My counterpoint was, get they need to We've talked about

534
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: this at length. They need to figure out what what

535
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: the deal is with Mac Jones.

536
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: This year, it's more important to invest in Mac Jones

537
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: Taekwon thorn right.

538
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, ideally, ideally you would be able to do

539
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: what's best for both, and what's best for both would

540
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: be the same thing. They've kind of put themselves in

541
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: a spot where that's not the case. What's best for

542
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: mac Jones is not what's best for Taekwon Thornton. It

543
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: would be nice if they had a real year last

544
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: year and we more or less knew who Mac Jones was,

545
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, they could maybe do some more stuff with

546
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton with Max Jones supporting him, But we still

547
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: don't know what the deals with Mack Jones. They've got

548
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: to get him help, and that means not putting unestablished

549
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: players in key roles. Could Taekwon breakout? Absolutely he could,

550
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: but are you going to gamble on it? And that

551
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: becomes the question. So here's the thing.

552
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: I sorry, just did a double take because they showed

553
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: Ryan Mallett throwing a pass to Juliet that was kind

554
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: of creepy. Creepy anyways, Uh yeah, absolutely, I said that

555
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: in like a somber tone. I hope that that came

556
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: across because yeah, it's very sad with Taekwon. Here's the

557
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 2: thing one I think that he's We knew this, and

558
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: I can't believe that you're the one telling me to

559
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: give up on Taekwon when when you were the one

560
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: that told me about Taekwon. So I'm a little shock.

561
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Just hear me out. Yeah, here's the thing we knew

562
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: coming in that he was wraw. Yeah he's a four

563
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: to eight. He flies down the field, he's super fast,

564
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: explosive player, but his route running, all of it is raw.

565
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: The whole the whole technique side of it is the

566
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: only way that that player, to me, truly develops and

567
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: figures it out at this level is if he plays.

568
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: You're not wrong. The problem is.

569
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: And they but they do this all the time. They

570
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: do this across the roster. I know, they take thirty

571
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: year old Devonte Parker and they block a twenty three

572
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: year old Taekwon Thornton with the veteran guy because the

573
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: veteran guy has a higher floor, right, Yeah, And that

574
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: drives me nuts, it does.

575
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: But the problem is, and I still think ty Kwant

576
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: Thornton can be a good NFL receiver. I really do

577
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: believe that. Can they afford to find out whether or

578
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: not that's true this year? Do they have the luxury

579
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: do they have the wigglerm to figure that out? I'm

580
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: not sure that. First of all, I think he's gonna

581
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: play because between Parker Hopkins, if he's here, Jujus Smith,

582
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Schuster's dealings an the injury like they'll be injuries they're right.

583
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get on I'm not I don't

584
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: want to I get the depth like and I'm not

585
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: saying I'm not an anti depth. I'm just saying, like,

586
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to count on injuries to get him

587
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, I want him to play, right,

588
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: I just I want him to play too, But I

589
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: think it's more important. Isn't Mac Jones in the same spot.

590
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: Isn't everything you're just said about Taekwon about you know

591
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: he's only gonna get better by playing and you need

592
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: to do this and that it's all true about mac

593
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Jones as well.

594
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: The problem is that's what sucks is I know? But

595
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: the problem I don't love this take. You know what

596
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 2: you have in Devonte Parker, you know what he is

597
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: in this.

598
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: League, But isn't that kind of what you need to

599
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: put around Mac Jones right now, established players.

600
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: When I'm worried I'm worried about is that this this

601
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: type of approach and they do it all over the roster.

602
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: It's not just that wide receiver. This type of approach

603
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: is how you get stuck into NFL.

604
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: We've talked about eight year, We've talked about the impact

605
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: of burying Juwan Williams and how that may be derailed

606
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: hit and I know people just think he was bad.

607
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: They buried him. They and they had a lot of

608
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: good corners, but they buried him. You know, I agree

609
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: with you on this. This is just a unique scenario

610
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: where you have two players in this spot where they

611
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: both have to play in order to hit their ceiling.

612
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say one being on the

613
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: field doesn't help the other, because it's not like Max's

614
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be on the field. But you need you

615
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: need to do it's best for the quarter last year

616
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: and them. But maybe I don't love that this is

617
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: where they're at, but I think this is where they're at.

618
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, if DeVante don't give DeVante Parker

619
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: this extension, he still plays here next year.

620
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: In this year. Okay, that is, but that's a different conversation.

621
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: And Juju's still going to play. The tight ends are

622
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: still going to play. The only difference is to me

623
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: is that you're not married to Parker, where Taekwon now

624
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: just has a bigger runway to potentially. Oh, I'm totally

625
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: gonnak on that. And you just.

626
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: To me, committing to this receiving corps and committing to

627
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: the veterans in this group, and to committing to this

628
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: tackle situation and all of it. To me, this spells

629
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: you finishing nine to eight, nine and eight cool like cool.

630
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Whereas if you put Taekwon Thorton on the field and

631
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Taekwon Thorton actually starts to figure

632
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: it out at the NFL level, and Taekwon Thornton all

633
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden turns into a player for you, Maybe

634
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: you're sealing improves right, Maybe maybe you get even better

635
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: than what you would get.

636
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: I guess the question is where's the And I don't

637
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying never play Taekwon On Thornton neither.

638
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: That's not what this is. But I guess the question

639
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: is where's that line? Where's that line? Between you gotta

640
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: play him enough because maybe he breaks out, But you

641
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: also can't just leave him out there and essentially leave

642
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: mac Jones with one less pass catcher, because that's what

643
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: they did at times last night.

644
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Is that they are committed down these paths with guys

645
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: like DeVonta Parker. I mentioned Devon Godshaw last year that extension.

646
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: I love Dietrich Wise, Like Dietrich Wise is one of

647
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: the most fun players on this team just getting to

648
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: like get to know him, you know, yeah, at the

649
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: level that we get to. And but him too, you know,

650
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: his contract that they gave him a couple of years ago.

651
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: To my fear is is that this regime knows that

652
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: they carry enough goodwill with ownership that as long as

653
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: they are competent and competitive and pushing for the playoffs,

654
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: they'll can continue to get to do things their way.

655
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: And that, to me, their way is.

656
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: What I just outlined about their philosophy with the receiver position.

657
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: No change is going to come from this because they'll

658
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: win nine games, they'll probably squeak into the playoffs, and

659
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: maybe they're more competitive in the playoff game than they

660
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: were in Buffalo a couple of years ago. And they

661
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: still get to approach it the same exact way. And

662
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: that's my fear, is that it gets you stuck in

663
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: this purgatory of doing the same thing and expecting better results.

664
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: And I want to see them at least in some

665
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: pockets of this roster. And I think they do it defensively,

666
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: which is such the so fascinating to me is that

667
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: they do it in spots more so defensively. And I

668
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: think that that speaks to just the head coach, at

669
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: his background and being in defense, he feels like maybe

670
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: he feels like he can take more chances on that

671
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: side of the ball because he knows he can coach

672
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: them up, you know, in terms of just taking chances

673
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: on raw talent, you know. But they they just don't care,

674
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: like they just look at it and they're just like,

675
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: it's fine. All we need is to be fine at receiver.

676
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: All we need to be is fine at tackle. Right,

677
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: Adrian and Bill O'Brien will coach them up and we'll

678
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: be fine. And I just don't think that that that

679
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: we shouldn't accept that as being good enough. And we

680
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: know how the draft works, we know how their their

681
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: success rate is at the draft, and they're showing Gronk

682
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: highlights right now behind you, and I was trying to remember, like,

683
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: when's the last time outside of Gronk, when's the last

684
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: time that they've have a home grown skill player.

685
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, James White would be like after Gronk, I guess.

686
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: And okay, let's let's take running backs out of it,

687
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: like receivers in tight end.

688
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: No, but even still James White. James White was drafted

689
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, twelve, so that's still I don't think

690
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: you need to take running backs out. That's ten years ago,

691
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: so they're not I guess Remandre, I should say Remondre.

692
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: But soak taking just looking at pass catching, just looking

693
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: at Titans and receivers. We know their history in the

694
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: draft is oh, James Whye was twenty fourteen, so nine

695
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: years ago is not great, right, It's it's the success

696
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: stories are like Dion Branch, Gronk, obviously Hernandez, one season

697
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: of Malcolm Mitchell, and like Julian Edelman turning from a

698
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: seventh round quarterback into a Pro Bowl receiver.

699
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: Right, Malcolm Mitchell all also all all was what he

700
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: was always going to be, right, that's kind of that's

701
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: a weird one. They we don't need to right read.

702
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: But here's my final point that we'll take some calls

703
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about. I do want to get to

704
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins and how this impacts that a little bit

705
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: more detail. My whole point is this, the Patriots are

706
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: going to need to find skill talent to put them

707
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: over the top through the veteran market. And if they

708
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: are only going to operate in this tax bracket at receiver,

709
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: then the best thing, the best that they could do,

710
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: Alex is thirty one year old DeAndre Hopkins.

711
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: That's the best that they could do is drafting one.

712
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that I don't think they can't.

713
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't see I.

714
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 2: Don't have enough proof to feel like I trust them

715
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: to be able to do that.

716
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: I do and I don't. They haven't really tried. Nikkeiel

717
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: was the one shot in that sort of the other

718
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: angle of it.

719
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: It's both things, right, I don't trust them to evaluate

720
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: it properly, and I don't trust them to do it.

721
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: That's fair. So you want you want all the skilled

722
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: position players in the last ten years. I don't really

723
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: think they've drafted no, Okay, all right, we're doing thisaway

724
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: all right last ten years. Twenty thirteen second round, Aaron Dobbson,

725
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: fourth round, Josh Boyce twenty fourteen, fourth round, James White,

726
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: seventh round, Jeremy Gallon twenty fifteen, sixth round, tight End,

727
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: aj Derby twenty sixteen, fourth round, Malcolm Mitchell seventh round,

728
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Devin Lucian eighteen.

729
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean, first, we have some breaking news. Can I

730
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: cut him here for a second. This is not the

731
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: under Hopkins, I'm sorry. Breaking news though. On the Patriots front,

732
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: they have another contract extension. You want to guess who

733
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: it is, don't look?

734
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Is it one of the three like young guys.

735
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: It's a defensive player. I wouldn't really call him young they.

736
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: Don't, Okay, So it's not like on when who duggar?

737
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: It's not that group. Hm. No, not Jonathan Jones. They

738
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: just signed him.

739
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Juwan Bentley. The new contract extension for Juwan Bentley a

740
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: two year, eighteen point seventy five max deal, nine million

741
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: dollars fully guaranteed. So Jawan Bentley gets paid. Jawan Bentley

742
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: gets paid a little bit here in this deal. I

743
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: gotta say, I think Jawan Bentley is one of the

744
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: most underrated linebackers in the league. I think that his

745
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: his skill set is to so many people prehistoric and

746
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: antiquated that that he doesn't get enough credit for how

747
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: good he is at what they ask him to do.

748
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: If you need somebody that's gonna take on blocks, it's

749
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: gonna fill gaps, it's gonna come downhill, that is gonna

750
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: compress space in the running game, Jawan Bentley is a really,

751
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: really good throwback Linebacker's He's one of the best in

752
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: the league at what he does. Is he Fred Warner,

753
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: does he Matt Mulano. No, He's not a rangy coverage linebacker,

754
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: but as a hard hitting mic what they want him

755
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: to do, he's excellent in that role. So I really

756
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: like this contract. I think that he's a super underrated

757
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: player for them, and I'm glad that they're gonna keep

758
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: him in the mix because the last thing I'll say

759
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: about it and hear your take on it, I think

760
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that can step into a

761
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: leadership role.

762
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

763
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: I think he's a true leader. I think he's born

764
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: to do it. He's a multi time captain in college.

765
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: He's been a captain here with Devin mccordy leaving. I

766
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: think Jawan Bentley is one of those guys that you

767
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: can see step up, maybe more a little bit of

768
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: a quiet leader, intense, lead by example, lead by example

769
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: type of guy. So they lock up Jawan Bentley for

770
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: a little bit long.

771
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: I like the movie. He's also only twenty. He just

772
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: turned twenty seven. I did not realize he was that young.

773
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: It feels like he's been around for a while. Yeah it,

774
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good contract. I think that nineteen

775
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: million dollar number is going to scare people. This is

776
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: another one shout out to the agent. Is his agent

777
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: the same as uh agent CIA and let's look up

778
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: Devonte Parker's agent. But it's a yeah, it's a good contract.

779
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with him this year, you know,

780
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: you lose to h mccorty, not different agents. The biggest

781
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: thing with him this year that communication. And coach have

782
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: talked about it, players have talked about it. Losing Devin mccordy.

783
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: Having somebody who knows the defense inside now can communicate

784
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: with all of the ten guys. He's gonna be key

785
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: with that. He kind of helps now bridge you to

786
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: the next game, not just bridge you to the next gap.

787
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean again, he's only twenty seven.

788
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: He is the next gap to me.

789
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Right, well, it's only two years. I'm kind of surprised

790
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: it's not more years. But yeah, that's you know, I

791
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: see the nine million fully guaranteed. So that's call it

792
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: four and a half five a year. His previous cap

793
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: hit was five, which was fifteenth in the league among linebackers,

794
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: among inside linebackers. So if it's like a five six

795
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: million dollar caphit, he's gonna be just outside the top ten.

796
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd say that's probably about right. Yeah, you know, that's

797
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: a probably about right to a favorable deal. Like you said,

798
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: he's a more underrated player. I do think he's does

799
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: have some situational limitations. But ye, after you draft a

800
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: guy like Marte mamph you know, your role with those

801
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: two got you could it's only a two year deal,

802
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: but the next two years that's your middle linebackers. You've

803
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: got a very complete duo right there. For what's probably

804
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: going to be about i'd say under ten million between

805
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: the two of them.

806
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I just think you know, look, I

807
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: understand that people want them to get faster at linebacker,

808
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: and he's not. He's much better in coverage than he

809
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: was early on in his career. He's really improved his

810
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: instincts and his recognition in coverage to basically max out

811
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: his athletic ability in space and in coverage, which I

812
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: give him credit for.

813
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

814
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: He's really improved in now area of his game. And

815
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: he's not He's not the rangy sideline the sideline guy.

816
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: He's not gonna go trace down Jos Josh Allen, you know,

817
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: on a scramble or something like that. But they still

818
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: play a ton of odd front. They still play a

819
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: ton with open gaps on the line of scrimmage. Right,

820
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: you know, odd front three four, you're gonna have the

821
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: big gap is going to be a bubble.

822
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna be uncovered. Right, There's not gonna be a

823
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: body in there on the line of scrimmage. If you're

824
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna play like that to the strong side of the formation,

825
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: you have to have a linebacker that can take on

826
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: that gap. And he's still one of those guys. I look,

827
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: I've been saying it since I you know, they drafted him,

828
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: until I'm blue in the face. I want to see

829
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: them pair this now with Marty Mappu at the second

830
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: level next to Juwan Bentley. Now you got your thumper

831
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: and you got your chase, right, Like, that's that's the

832
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: combination that we're looking for here. Both guys don't have

833
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: to be.

834
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: You know, the the Fred Warner right like, you can

835
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: have sort of complimentary skill sets even at an off

836
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: ball linebacker position.

837
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

838
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting that they do this again. So

839
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: he was a he was a free agent penning.

840
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: Free agent penning for aging. Ye.

841
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: So this my guess is that this deal is is

842
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: similar to what they just did with Devonte Parker, where

843
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: they're ripping up this year and then they're giving him

844
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: an extension through next year. So my guess is that

845
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: he's now going to be a twenty twenty five free agent.

846
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: I think they're tacking it on. Actually interesting, So I

847
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a twenty twenty six free agent

848
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: just based on the initial what I I don't know.

849
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so bad with the contract language. Yeah,

850
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: well that's so.

851
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is one of the other problem,

852
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: one of the gripes that I have is with with

853
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: how these are reported.

854
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: So, right, does two year extension mean on top of

855
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: this or is it a rere right?

856
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: Because Devonte Parker's deal was a redo the structure. They

857
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: ripped up this year and then added two more years too.

858
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: Right, So that that's the thing, there's. Yeah, restructure and

859
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: extension mean to different things. Yeah, so Parker's was a restructure.

860
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: It's a new deal. It's a completely new contract.

861
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: This one. It would not surprise me. It's an extension

862
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: just because he is only twenty seven. He is such

863
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: a core part of what they do. Why would you

864
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: only add one year? Yeah, for a guy who's twenty six.

865
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: You don't want to have to pay a guy who's

866
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: twenty eight. That's when they're really asking for the big money.

867
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: You get him to twenty nine and maybe not at that.

868
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: That position is sort of turning into running backs, where

869
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: twenty eight twenty nine the cliff kind of comes, you.

870
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: Know, So you think maybe they're just going year by

871
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: year with them.

872
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: F I think that I think that maybe the you know,

873
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: the just the longevity of it, like you know, look

874
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: at like you know what Bowman and Keith Lee and

875
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: all those they all retired by thirty. Yeah, you know,

876
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: so that's just sort of the way that this position

877
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: is going.

878
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: So what it's worth Ian rapaport, so he reported initially,

879
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: and then in a follow up tweet he said, yesterday

880
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: it was Devonte Parker, today linebacker Juwan Bentley. New England

881
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: Patriots reward two key players with big new deals dot

882
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: dot dot and opens up a bit of cap space

883
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: as well. Hmmm.

884
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: He keeps on putting that that little tzt's in there

885
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: keeps qualifier.

886
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: So is he just making us dance for the likes

887
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: or does he know something he's trying to Yeah, yes,

888
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: he's he's cloud chasing right now. But I will say

889
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: this one more thing about Jawan Bentley. I like the

890
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: fact that and I don't this doesn't fit with Devontae

891
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Parker to me, but with Bentley specifically, these are two different.

892
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bentley specifically, I think one of the things that

893
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: we've we've talked about and we've hashed out and I know,

894
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 2: you know, Deuce and I have talked about this too

895
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: on pu is is sort of that committing to a

896
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: next regime and like sort of committing to a new

897
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: core of players. And to me, this suggests that Juwan

898
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: Bentley is is going to be a part of the

899
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: next core of this new core of Patriot And at

900
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: some point you couldn't keep recycling pieces, you know, like

901
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: you couldn't keep going back into the well and back

902
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: into the well and back into well. At some point

903
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: you had to stick with some people. And I was

904
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: mainly talking about this with the twenty twenty draft class,

905
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: like with Dugger and and Och and on Wenu, like

906
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: pay a couple of those guys, Like keep some of

907
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: those guys around, build something, you know, like have some pillars,

908
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: have some foundational pieces. I think that this is a

909
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: step towards that with Jawan Bentley, I think this is

910
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: one of those guys that they view for the next

911
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: three or four years. I think is what it's gonna

912
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: ultimately be. This is a pillar piece for us, you know,

913
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: this is a foundational piece of leader, a captain, a

914
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: guy that we feel good about representing the organization. I

915
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: like this for the Patriots for several reasons. I know

916
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: there's gonna be those people out there, Alex. You know

917
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: that they need to a way to get faster.

918
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: You're gonna see the nineteen million dollars over two years,

919
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: and they're giving ten million dollars a year to a

920
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: slow linebacker and they won't either give it to a receiver.

921
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: Not at all. What this is, that is not it.

922
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, can I give a little PSA here,

923
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: just in general, Yes, apply to Parker, it can apply

924
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: to this, it canply to anything. You do not have

925
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: to react to an NFL contract instantly. We don't even

926
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: have to do it, and it's our job to react.

927
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: You are totally allowed to say I'm gonna wait and

928
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: see the structure and then form my opinion. Totally allowed

929
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: to do that. You can say I like the player,

930
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're keeping him around. I don't like the player.

931
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: I wish they would have just let him walk. You

932
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: do not have to react to the up two dollars amount,

933
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: because that's it's not a real It's that's like buying

934
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: a home security system to keep the tooth fairy up.

935
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: It's not real. Like, yes, buying a security system might

936
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: be a good idea, maybe.

937
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Now, because it's you just you just set me up

938
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: for it. I have a real issue, a real, real

939
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: issue about how contracts are reported in the NFL, because.

940
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's funny money. It's not real. It's

941
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: for gods, it's not real. Okay, and this is disservice.

942
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: The agents think.

943
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: That they're doing a service to their clients by doing this,

944
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: and I think it's the total opposite. I think the

945
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: agents are doing a total disservice to the player because

946
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: what happens is is Devonte Parker, who got thirty one

947
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: balls for five hundred yards last year, gets three for

948
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: thirty three. And then the Patriots and the player get

949
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: ripped and they say play. You know, fans that not

950
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: picking on fans. You guys shouldn't know the minutia. Go

951
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: do what you do with your lives. Leave that up

952
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: to us, right, Like, I'm not blaming you for not knowing.

953
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: But the point is is that fans look at that

954
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: and they say they're giving three years eleven million dollars

955
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: per year to DeVante Parker, right, And that's the reaction

956
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: when in reality it's probably like a three year deal

957
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: that's really a two year deal that's maybe worth seven

958
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: million dollars per year maybe. And this is a This

959
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: paints the player, it paints the team and a negative light.

960
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't do anybody as service. It does a disservice,

961
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: and we need to be better about it because all

962
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: it does is it just people grab the pitchfork and

963
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: they say they did this? What And then we get people, well,

964
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: why wouldn't they just give that money to Jacoby Myers?

965
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: Right like you know they we do this whole thing

966
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: with it be better like show us the details, actually

967
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: report on what the base value of the contract is,

968
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: not the max value, but the base value, because that's

969
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: the real money. Is DeVante Parker gonna make all Pro? No,

970
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: he's not making all Pro. If DeVante Parker has an

971
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: incentive in its contract that's a thousand yard season next year,

972
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: he ain't hitting it. He's not getting the money. So

973
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: that is again a disservice to everybody involved. The only

974
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: person that it potentially makes look good is the agent.

975
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: But and more importantly, it's rap aport, it's schefter. It's

976
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: all these insiders giving a a an olive branch to

977
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: the agents and that the agent will feed them scoops

978
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: down the road, right like it's, oh, I'll make you

979
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: look good, and therefore the next one that you break, like,

980
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: I'll give it to you again, right. And and that's

981
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: just it's not a good w way for the fans

982
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: because the fans look at it and they they get

983
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: all caught up in the money and it doesn't look

984
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: good for the player. It doesn't. It makes the player

985
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: look overpaid. And uh, and I don't think that's fair.

986
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: I'll get off my soapbox now, I'll take some calls

987
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about DeAndre Hopkins because again another move

988
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: that hints at cap space for me and Rappaport. So

989
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: we'll get to that in the second. But Spee, if

990
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: you're still there, I'm sorry for keeping you on hold.

991
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: We were a little bit jacked up today. What's going on?

992
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: Not a problem, good to be just a very good

993
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: job at the Helm today, Evan.

994
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for you. Thank you.

995
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

996
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: I like the phrase he used on pages on filter

997
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: and you said, uh, you said they're content with okay

998
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: at wide receiver that that kind of stuck and and

999
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: I agree with I find it frustrating, Like you, it's

1000
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 3: just years and years of that. But and I think

1001
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: you might disagree with me on this next thing. At

1002
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 3: the same time, I think that the offense is good

1003
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: enough this year, like for it to be put up

1004
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: for shut up time for MAC, like the litmus test

1005
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: is still on because you know, if MAC isn't significantly

1006
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: better than his rookie year. It's not about getting broken

1007
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: last year. It's not about not having enough weapons. That

1008
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: he's probably a journeyman more than a franchise quarterback. And

1009
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm just prehensively frustrated with the rationalization like Pollyanna's seven

1010
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 3: months from Now, like you know, explaining away Max's limitations

1011
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: and saying, Bill David Cardam, you know, but it's your

1012
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: three to litmus tests on And I don't know if

1013
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 3: you agree with that.

1014
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, spee, and thanks for the call, and

1015
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: we're just gonna go through some of these calls and

1016
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: want me to cut you off. But I do agree

1017
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: with that to an extent. I think that he needs

1018
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: to play a certain level of football this year. Yeah,

1019
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: of course I agree with that, And I would say

1020
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: that the absolute sort of baseline for macus his rookie season.

1021
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: But I'm actually expecting him to be even a little

1022
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: bit better than that. But what I'm not expecting is

1023
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: to hit is for him to throw thirty five touchdown

1024
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: passes and be like a pseudo MVP candidate because they

1025
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 2: haven't given him the pieces to be that good.

1026
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: And that's it hurts. I kind of spent last year saying,

1027
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: why are we so focused on Mac can't produce in

1028
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: this offense that was set up for him to fail? Yeah,

1029
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: why are we judging off him off of that when

1030
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be the long term? Well, if he's in

1031
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: another offense that setup that's set up for him to fail,

1032
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that they can't make it work with a

1033
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: quarterback who should be an NFL quarterback. But if that's

1034
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: what it's going to be, then he's not the guy.

1035
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: If they're going to keep asking just an insane amount

1036
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: of their quarterback, then it is what it is. They

1037
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, But if that's what it is, Again,

1038
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: where he said explaining away Max's issues with this and

1039
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: that I wasn't trying to explain away Max's problems last year.

1040
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: I was telling you what was happening.

1041
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's there's absolutely no doubt that Mac should

1042
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: play like a starting quarterback this year. That they have

1043
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: enough around him well personnel wise and especially with Bill

1044
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: O'Brien in the building, that they should He should be

1045
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: at least back to where he was his rookie season,

1046
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: and if he's not, then they have real big issues

1047
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: with him, you know that they might need to to

1048
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: move on sooner rather than later, like Baker mayfield him

1049
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: almost right, so right that that's gonna I hope that

1050
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 2: doesn't go down that road. I'm just saying that that's

1051
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: that's what you're looking at. If that does happen, If

1052
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: if he puts up another bad season or doesn't even

1053
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: make it the full year as the starter, then we're

1054
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: talking about moving on from him after next year, not

1055
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: even the fifth year option and all that stuff. But

1056
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 2: I actually think that with the what he has around him,

1057
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: and this sort of goes back to my bigger point

1058
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: earlier in the show, I feel like the only thing

1059
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: that I can expect from him is comparable to his

1060
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: rookie season, to maybe a little bit marginally better. I

1061
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: don't think that I can expect him to put up

1062
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: ridiculous numbers or to be the driver of multiple wins,

1063
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, because of the offense and they're putting up

1064
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: thirty five and winning games like that.

1065
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: Can he be good and he just needs to be

1066
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: good enough to not lose them games. That's basically where

1067
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: it's at. Because they have a good enough defense if

1068
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: they have if they add Hopkins, they should have enough

1069
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: playmakers that if he doesn't make mistakes, they're going to

1070
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: be in pretty good shape in theory.

1071
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: Right, And I think that to Spee's point and to

1072
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: other people's points that are that I think are aligned

1073
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: with speed. I don't want to speak for speed, but

1074
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: I think that that to them good enough, and like

1075
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: not losing them games isn't isn't going to cut it

1076
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: for most people, right, Like they need better than that

1077
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: out of the quarterback.

1078
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: And I can hear that, but well, if they're winning games,

1079
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: people won't winning care as off they're winning games, people

1080
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: won't care. If Max playing well enough to not lose

1081
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: them games and there's bad things happening elsewhere the tackle

1082
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: play doesn't hold up or the depth evaporates at cornerback,

1083
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: then it's going to be a very interesting conversation.

1084
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's let's get to Sean and Vancouver.

1085
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: What's up Sean?

1086
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 5: Hey, I have a few things guys. Now, it's when

1087
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 5: it comes to this contract for whether it's two contracts

1088
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 5: right now to talk about. I'm happy about Bentley because

1089
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 5: I was a huge drug mail and I still have

1090
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 5: the jersey and I see him kind of stepping into

1091
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 5: those footsteps and maybe one day he'll well actually coach

1092
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 5: after football. But right now I'm happy that is with

1093
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 5: the Patriots. So but the other contract h Parker, I

1094
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 5: kind of see it a different way, like I see

1095
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 5: them freeing up money with that, and that gives me

1096
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 5: hope that they will sign Hopkins. And also my concern

1097
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: is less about players being knocked out from each other

1098
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 5: in terms of of the you know, hierarchy is because

1099
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 5: there's so many injuries. I'm not concerned about that. Parker

1100
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: loses time for injuries, Hopkins probably will as well, Juju

1101
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 5: loses time. Everyone's out, So having five real starters, I

1102
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: don't I don't think you're you're really threatening Thornton if

1103
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 5: he's healthy to be on the field as much. And

1104
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 5: then last week when I when I called in my

1105
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: point about the left tackle, when I was saying, Brian

1106
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 5: Halloway or you know, it doesn't matter if Tim or

1107
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 5: Leon Bray.

1108
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 6: My point is I'm.

1109
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 5: Concerned about left tackle and it's not even like is

1110
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 5: it fine. I don't think it'll be fine right now.

1111
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 5: I'm concerned, like I don't even know if Trent Brown's

1112
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 5: gonna play. It's it's now it's it's it's a problem.

1113
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 5: And if there's a left tackle situation where you're not

1114
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 5: giving back any time, you're just done for, you need

1115
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 5: to have at least at least fine. But I'm not

1116
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 5: even certain about that.

1117
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Sean, it's a it's a really fair point.

1118
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: And I said it and my rant about the receivers,

1119
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: and I said it. You know that I throw tackle

1120
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 2: into this category too.

1121
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

1122
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: They They have told us at every step of the way, Alex,

1123
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: this entire offseason that they're cool with their tackles. They

1124
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: said it before the draft, they said it after the draft,

1125
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: and now we're in a position and look, I don't

1126
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: want to get mad and all worked up about something

1127
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened yet in terms of they have. They

1128
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: don't play games in June. Like, let's see what it

1129
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: looks like once it starts to come together in camp.

1130
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 2: The one thing that you can say about offensive line

1131
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: plays that good coaching, good scheme, a five man unit

1132
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: that plays on a string, and like the sum of

1133
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: the parts can be greater than the individuals. Right at

1134
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: that position. I don't think you can say the same

1135
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: necessarily about about receiver ord you know, other spots on

1136
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: the roster, and that's maybe why I'm so strong about it,

1137
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: But I really offensive line. We've seen them, like I

1138
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: don't I know, scars not walking through the door, but

1139
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: we've seen them get by with what might be perceived

1140
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: as lesser talent, but they're able to coach it up

1141
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: and put it together and everybody's seeing it through the

1142
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: same eyes and it looks a lot better. So I

1143
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: want to give some patients to that. But the way

1144
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: that they've approached tackle from a team building standpoint is

1145
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: the same freaking thing they're doing at wide receiver. I

1146
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: blame it the same. It's the same thing.

1147
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it really goes back isaiahen Nikhil

1148
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: Harry Yeah, boom boom.

1149
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: We talked about our whole thing was like sign one

1150
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: draft one, sign one draft, but we were not talking

1151
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: about signing one being Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson and

1152
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: drafting one being hoping that City sal can play tackle.

1153
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: Like they did what we told them to do, but

1154
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: they did it like on the at the dollar store, right,

1155
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't do it. And this was actually

1156
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: a year and look, I'm not trading Christian Gonzales for

1157
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: Broderick Jones.

1158
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm fine with you. I'm not either.

1159
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: But this was actually a year in free agency where

1160
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: the tackle market was pretty good.

1161
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: So I go back to this question. Somebody asked this

1162
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: came up on another show. I forget exactly it was Freeze,

1163
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: but basically, right now, assuming they were both free agents,

1164
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: who would you rather have DeAndre Hawkins for for the

1165
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: money it's gonna cost him, DeAndre Hopkins or Kila McGary.

1166
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: This goes back to, like is past pro would I

1167
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: would probably say DeAndre Hopkins.

1168
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: See I would take the tackle. And the reason I

1169
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: bring it up that way if they pay McGary or

1170
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: Juan Taylor or Mike mclinch here, any of those names

1171
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: we mentioned back in the spring. If they pay any

1172
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: of those guys, we're not doing Hopkins right now. We're

1173
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: just not having that conversation. They don't have the money.

1174
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: These are their guys, the wide receivers they have. I

1175
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,479
Speaker 1: would be okay with that. I would actually be okay

1176
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: with that at this point.

1177
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: I it's it's the tackle situation is frustrating. And again

1178
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: I want to and I'll say this about receiver to

1179
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: to a lesser degree, because that to me is totally

1180
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: like more philosophy than anything. But with tackles, Let's see

1181
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: how it looks, because I've seen again, I've seen them

1182
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: figure it out with with with guys that.

1183
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: Are not first round prodigies, right like I've seen them

1184
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: make it work without Joe Toms.

1185
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So let's see how it plays out. But

1186
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: I will I am fully on board with saying that

1187
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: they kind of neglected that position in terms of let's

1188
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: go out and aggressively get a plug and play starter.

1189
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: Whether it was early in the draft or whether it

1190
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: was McGarry or a mcglinche or an Orlando Brown. They

1191
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: had cap space, they had a need. They easily could

1192
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: have backed up the Brins truck for Orlando Brown like

1193
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: Cincinnati did and said done right, like left tackle taken

1194
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: care of not don't need to worry about it. Instead,

1195
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: we're in a position where it's gonna basically be an

1196
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: open competition between four guys, you know, McDermott, reef Anderson,

1197
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, and you just like hope that two of

1198
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: those guys end up being competent. Like That's that to

1199
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: me is not great team building. It's not it's at

1200
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: least at that position and we'll see.

1201
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: So real quick, let me throw this in. Multiple of

1202
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: our colleagues, Patriots reporters simultaneously tweeting that the move opens

1203
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: up cap space. A couple of mentioned Hopkins. Maybe hearing something.

1204
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about Hopkins for a second. We

1205
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: do have some calls still to get to. As soon

1206
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: as the Jwan Bentley thing happened, the phone started to

1207
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: light up a little bit. So we'll get to all

1208
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: your calls here in second. But I do want to

1209
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: talk Hopkins. Financially, the Patriots could afford DeAndre Hopkins before

1210
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: all these extensions, and they can afford him even more now.

1211
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: But I don't think that it really tells me much

1212
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: about DeAndre Hopkins, is uh, you know, the hope of

1213
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 2: him being here?

1214
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what it does do with all this?

1215
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: So part of the reason we all thought Parker was

1216
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: a logical cut. Yep, was all right, they had fourteen

1217
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: million a cap, you signed Hawkins to twelve and everything.

1218
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: Oh they still have two million. Well you need about

1219
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: five million to get through the season. You don't spend

1220
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: right down a zero. And it was all right. So

1221
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: they if they pay Hopkins twelve and then cut Parker.

1222
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: They only use up six. They're still in good shape.

1223
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: They extended Parker. It wasn't so much. Oh they can't

1224
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: both play together. It's all right. Well, now where are

1225
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: they gonna get this money from? Well, now they've started

1226
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: to open that money up. So this I don't know

1227
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: that it doesn't impact them signing Hopkins there. They still

1228
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: should be just as aggressive of that as they've been.

1229
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: I think they're still just as likely to do it.

1230
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: What this does do is that odd me an out conversation,

1231
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: which now I think focuses on Kendrick Bourne, becomes more

1232
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: about just in terms of playing time rather than a

1233
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: roster skill. Yeah.

1234
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, The Devanta Parker thing tells me that Devanta Parker

1235
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: is not going to be the odd man out. That's

1236
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: all it tells me really on the surface, in terms

1237
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: of the small picture of the short term with DeAndre Hopkins,

1238
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: here's I don't think financially the Patriots are any less

1239
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: likely to sign DeAndre Hopkins are more likely than they

1240
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: were yesterday. I also don't think that DeAndre Hopkins has

1241
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: made up his mind or is out on the pag

1242
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: right like, I still think that the Patriots are very

1243
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: much in play for DeAndre Hopkins. My one concern is

1244
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: is I I don't totally love how the pieces fit together.

1245
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: And I treated out earlier some next gen stuff they

1246
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: do some cool stuff about, like receiver splits and alignments

1247
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: and things like that, and basically what you're looking at

1248
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: with Parker and Hopkins and even Hopkins last year, even

1249
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: Parker Hopkins, excuse me, in the last year with Bill

1250
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: O'Brien in nineteen Hopkins has been a max split outside

1251
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: the numbers receiver, an X receiver his whole career, his

1252
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: whole career, and so has Devonte Parker. So what you're

1253
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: looking at, and Devanta Parker is not moving inside. His

1254
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: skill set just doesn't fit it right, so he's staying

1255
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: on the outside. So I think what's what you're looking

1256
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: at is really DeAndre Hopkins changing roles a little bit, which, okay, fine,

1257
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: Like they'll make that work, Bill O'Brien will make it

1258
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: at work, and so it won't be the Julian Edelman

1259
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: slot receiver or the Jacobi Meyer slot receiver or a

1260
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: Z receiver. I should say, it'll be a little bit

1261
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: different than that. Fine, But what it does tell me,

1262
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: or what it does to the Patriots. It makes them

1263
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: really reliant on like the same type of skill set

1264
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: across the board, and like, does that concern you at all?

1265
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: Because it concerns me a little bit, Like not to

1266
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: the point where I'm saying, like, don't sign DeAndre Hopkins.

1267
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: Like obviously you take it on and you figure it

1268
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: out and you hope for the best. But now you're

1269
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: really really reliant on like contested catches, body control, hands,

1270
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: like guys adjusting to football is wearing coverage. Like there's

1271
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: no separator amongst this group, None of them, the Juju, Hopkins,

1272
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: uh Parker not separators. And what you're telling me is

1273
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: in more more than likely is Taekwan is going to

1274
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: have a lesser role probably and Kennerport might not even

1275
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: be here. And those are those those are your two

1276
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: best natural separators, right, Those are the guys that actually

1277
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: can create space and create get themselves open consistently. So

1278
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: what I have concerned about is that you're really you

1279
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: are really going all in on one type of receiver

1280
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: at that point, You're gonna be a physical, power, big bodied,

1281
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: contested catch group. And maybe maybe they that works out.

1282
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know me, I like smash mouth football.

1283
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: So you've got me all hot and bothered talking about that,

1284
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: you think so as for well, personally, I enjoy watching

1285
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: that style. I enjoy watching a guy just body the defender.

1286
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: And I know you you like all the finesse you

1287
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: were an l as. You like that. You like Hollywood football,

1288
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: you like Hollywood foot. You're more packed twelve, even though

1289
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: you hate to pack twelve. You're more packed twelve than

1290
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: more sec. I would here's my point.

1291
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: I would take in a heartbeat, I would take Tyreek

1292
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: Hill over like maybe anybody besides DeVante Adams, right like

1293
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: that to.

1294
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: Me is funny. I was gonna say I would take

1295
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: Deavante Adams or I know he.

1296
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: But DeVante Adams separates too, so like and and that's

1297
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: the thing, is like.

1298
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: So all right, I would take Rob Gronkowski over Tyreek Kill.

1299
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: Okay, none of these guys are as good as Gronk,

1300
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: but okay.

1301
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's okay. I'm trying to think of

1302
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: who There aren't that many guys like that anymore. I mean,

1303
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, you go back obviously like Mott, Randy Moss

1304
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: could do everything. But I think I'll take the guy

1305
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: that Moss's corners, assuming like same level of talent they're

1306
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: both capable of, like thousand yard seasons. I'd rather watch

1307
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: a guy get I'd rather I'd rather watch a corner

1308
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: get moss than watch a corner get burnt. Okay, personally,

1309
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: that's I find that more entertaining. Now, is that the

1310
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: better option in today's NFL? That's a different question, so

1311
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: the thing, but I'm just saying stylistically, it's more appealing

1312
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: to the eyes. Here's here's my point. Here's my point.

1313
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: How do you feel, all right, like down the field,

1314
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: they're not going to separate. You don't love them pulling

1315
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: away from a defender down the field. How do you

1316
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: feel about their ability to create instant separation off the

1317
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, to get off the line of scrimmage

1318
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: and beat press and get open like that, even if

1319
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: they can't sustain that.

1320
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: I think that Hopkins is underrated in that regard. I

1321
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: think he can do that. I don't really think that

1322
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: that's the other twos games.

1323
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: What about born or all right? Well, they're not going

1324
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: to play leave established it. I think their offense is

1325
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of quick hitters. I don't

1326
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: think they're going to be asking guys to get open

1327
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: two to three to four seconds, and.

1328
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: So I think Juju does it through scheme like they did.

1329
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: He does it through you know, alignment rub routes, like

1330
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: you know things, motions which I think we're gonna see

1331
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: a lot of right things that get him off the

1332
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 2: line freely and then he's a great catch and run player,

1333
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: no doubt. I think Hopkins is really underrated in his

1334
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 2: release package and how he's able to move guys off

1335
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: their spots and get open in that regard. So I

1336
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: think that there's some of that and and maybe I'm

1337
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: open to that a little bit.

1338
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: I think. I just I don't think they're gonna have

1339
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: these long, developing like double move routes. I don't think

1340
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: that's what their offense is gonna be. I think it's

1341
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna be hit the quick slant Mac throw it, you know,

1342
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: two feet in front of him and use that length

1343
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: because they're they're kind of big a wide receiver. It

1344
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: would be really good, which happened very quickly because they

1345
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: were not big last year.

1346
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Taekwon is like one hundred and eighty pounds

1347
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 2: soaking wet, but he's six two.

1348
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: And he's got long ars. I don't know what his

1349
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: wingspan is, but I should be above average for six

1350
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: to two. I think it's gonna be all right. Hit

1351
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: that quick slant right or off rpo or something, and

1352
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: just Mac throw it out in front of him. And

1353
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: the idea is the receiver's longer than the corner and

1354
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: he can go out in front and catch the ball.

1355
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: When we talk about separation, you've heard me do this

1356
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: rant before. I haven't done it in a little bit.

1357
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: But when we talk about separation, there's two kinds of separation.

1358
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: There's spatial separation and there's physical separation. Spatial separation is

1359
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: what everybody thinks of in terms of separation. How many

1360
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: yards away are you from the corner. But and we

1361
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: saw the Patriots are on the wrong end of physical

1362
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: separation last year. When one wide receiver is six '

1363
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: three with a massive wingspan and the corners five ten,

1364
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: the corner can be standing right next to him, there's

1365
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: still separation. You've gotta be able to place the ball

1366
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: in a certain spot. But that Mac Jones is accurate,

1367
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: that's what he does. He doesn't want to throw it

1368
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: down the field.

1369
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: Because I've been negative today. Yeah, I'm gonna give Bill

1370
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: bone for a second. How generous of me? So, oh

1371
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: my god, how kind of me. Oh, we're gonna give up.

1372
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna hug it out. It's gonna be great. Here's

1373
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: the thing, can you is there an argument to be

1374
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 2: made because we play chested not checkers here that maybe

1375
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 2: they look at it and say, well, you know, the

1376
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: league is made up of a lot of finesse corners.

1377
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: Right, corners are getting smaller.

1378
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Smaller, faster corners to measure up against Tyreek Hill and

1379
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle and Devonte Smith and all these you know, explosive, smaller,

1380
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: you know, type of receivers. So we're gonna be six

1381
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: or five across the board. We're gonna have Sicki and

1382
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: Henry and the Parker and Hopkins and even Taekwon's got

1383
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: some length, right yeah, he's tall Reek.

1384
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1385
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: And we're gonna just we're gonna out muscle you. We're

1386
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: gonna out jump yet we're gonna do all short. I

1387
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing is why I get so obsessed

1388
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: with separation. First of all, it's fun, okay, Like if

1389
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 2: you want to break down, like receiver play, the best

1390
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 2: thing to break down as a dude like DeVante Adams

1391
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 2: who just breaks anngley.

1392
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: But this is this is where I have more fun. Fun.

1393
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: I want to watch Adams or honestly, as good as

1394
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 1: he is a route runner, it's a bad example because

1395
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: he does separate. You know what my favorite Justin Jefferson

1396
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: play was. It's not him putting a corner on skate.

1397
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: It's that catch against Buffalo where he goes up.

1398
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 2: And can't reach to see I'm all about to dance.

1399
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: No, give me that catch all day, give me winning

1400
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: a dat points day.

1401
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 2: It's all about at the line of scrimmage. Everything in

1402
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: in in football and like training receivers, and you know,

1403
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: I like I do talk to some of the receiver

1404
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: trainers because I'm obsessed with receivers. Everything like about receiver training.

1405
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: Right now is the release like it's release, release, release, release,

1406
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: like that's all that.

1407
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: But the release can still factor into this if you can.

1408
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: Just if you're six five, you don't need five yards

1409
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: of separation to be open. DeVante Parker just has one

1410
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: step on a guy yep, and the guy covering him

1411
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: is five ten and he's six ' three. He's open.

1412
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: The metrics aren't going to show him being open, but

1413
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: he's so speaking of the metrics, first of all, I

1414
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: just do you agree with that point? And I'm glad

1415
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: you made the point about the smaller corners because I

1416
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: was essentially trying to say that and I don't know why,

1417
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: just say it out right now. The corners are smaller,

1418
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: they're getting bigger. Wide receiver guys can be open even

1419
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: if even if they're not leaving a corner.

1420
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so here you don't like watching it as much,

1421
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: I have two things for you here. One next gen

1422
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: separation metrics like the ones that Warren Sharp tweeted out yesterday.

1423
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,839
Speaker 2: Not to pick on Warren Sharp again that he tweeted

1424
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: out about DeVante Parker being near the bottom of the

1425
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: league in like three straight years and yards of separation

1426
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: at the target lighted on fire and throw it in

1427
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: the goddamn trash. Irrelevant, no actual football translation whatsoever. They're fun,

1428
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: they're cool, they're gimmicky, they're new agey, right like all

1429
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: those things. In terms of actual football, it's meaningless. You know,

1430
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: Alex who was like right around. So everybody tells me

1431
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: that DeAndre Hopkins can't separate anymore, right, that's the big

1432
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: knock can't run anymore, doesn't right, but run by anybody anymore?

1433
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 2: Can't separate DeVante excuse me, DeAndre Hopkins.

1434
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: Dude, I've done that so many times last time. I

1435
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: know it's tough.

1436
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Brown in yards of separation at

1437
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: the target. According to next Gen Stats, it's identical, right,

1438
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: They're both two point six yards. So do you think

1439
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: AJ Brown can't separate? Or maybe you just think the

1440
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: metric is bullshit?

1441
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: Right like?

1442
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 2: And That's where I'm going with it. So here's the thing.

1443
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say again, I did sorry Matt twice.

1444
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: You're mad today.

1445
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: I am mad, and and you.

1446
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: Gave and you gave Bill credit. You're so you're mad,

1447
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: yet you gave Bill credit like it could even be worse.

1448
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 2: I am mad because I want I want to see

1449
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: I want to see some offense. I don't want to

1450
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: have to go through another football season like last year.

1451
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: Off Okay, it doesn't matter. Here here I'll tell you

1452
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: why it doesn't matter. The one thing that we can

1453
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 2: look at that is really consistent year to year in

1454
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 2: terms of production. And I get that maybe your rebuttal

1455
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: is well, I don't really give a shit about twenty

1456
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: twenty s Again, Wow, what is wrong with me today?

1457
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't really give a crap about twenty twenty six. Fair. Fair,

1458
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: But year to year, the separation guys like the route

1459
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: runners and the burners, those guys are a lot more

1460
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: stable in terms of their production. So when you're looking

1461
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,879
Speaker 2: at it from like a team building perspective, it's probably

1462
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: more important in that vein than it is in like,

1463
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, winning games, right, Like, it doesn't matter like

1464
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: if one guy puts up one hundred yards, the other

1465
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: guy puts up one hundred yards, how he got to

1466
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: one hundred yards is irrelevant, right. But the thing is

1467
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: is that when you're looking at it from a team

1468
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: building perspective, in the draft especially, the separators are the

1469
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: guys that translate the most and the guys that go

1470
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: on to be productive in the league the most. Right,

1471
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,879
Speaker 2: Like you can just look at the case by case basis.

1472
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: You know, Nikhil Harry versus the other receivers. What was

1473
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: the difference between Nikil Harry and Deebo Samuel and AJ

1474
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: Brown and you know all those guys. The one guy

1475
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: can't separate, right, And so I think that's that's true

1476
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 2: about separation The other thing is, and this is my

1477
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: bigger question for you and for the panel here, which

1478
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: is two people in Matt is this type of offense?

1479
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: And I get what you're saying about the quick hitters,

1480
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: and if these bigger receivers can create that quick separation,

1481
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: then maybe it's irrelevant. But is this type of offense

1482
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: of jump balls, back shoulder throws, like all this type

1483
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: of stuff, is that what's best for Mac Jones? Because

1484
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 2: the Mac Jones that I saw at Alabama was throwing

1485
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: to John Metchi and DeVante Smith and Jalen Waddle. Right,

1486
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: he's throwing to a much different type of receiver than

1487
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: Devonte Parker. And I've always wanted them to try to

1488
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: build Alabama, right, and they have Bill O'Brien, they have

1489
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: the quarterback, but at receiver they're doing it very different.

1490
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: Alabama does not. It wasn't in their prime right with

1491
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 2: Mac was not made up of Devonte Parker's. So do

1492
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: you think that this type of offense is truly what's

1493
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: best for me? Because I have some reservations about that,

1494
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: because in order to really get the most out of

1495
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: these like you know, body control, hands, contested catch guys,

1496
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 2: you need to be able to put the ball in

1497
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: the only place that they that old cliche, right, like,

1498
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: the only person that could catch this was the receiver.

1499
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: And it's not it's it's line drive throws. It's not

1500
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: like the balloons down the field. It's not the crossing routes.

1501
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: It's not the touch passes. Those are like back shoulders

1502
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 2: need to be seeds, like you need to throw that

1503
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: with some velocity. You need to throw that outside the numbers.

1504
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: You know, jump balls down the field. You need to

1505
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: throw that with some some distance under the ball. Is

1506
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: it what's best for mac Jones to build the offense

1507
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: this way?

1508
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: Probably not, I but this is the course they're on,

1509
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: and I all, you can't half and half it. You

1510
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: can't half and half it. So for them to change

1511
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: course now it's too late. I think the position they've

1512
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: put themselves in, this is what they have to do.

1513
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: But you know, if I could go back two years again,

1514
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: I would have traded for Jerry Judy, right, But they didn't.

1515
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: They didn't, So where they're at right now? Yeah, I

1516
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: think you go all in on the size thing. You

1517
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: go out and get Hopkins and you just force teams

1518
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: to play super big at corner and just catch you.

1519
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: You basically you want to be like that sixth grader

1520
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: on the school yard that's just bigger, faster, stronger than everybody.

1521
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: And it's also that element. And you talked about this

1522
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: and maybe this is just recency bias because of something.

1523
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: I Yeah, I'm having recent bias. Something I read the

1524
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: other day. There's this I sent.

1525
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: It to you and sometimes him that has their No,

1526
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: it's just this one thing.

1527
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: I read this really interesting piece on the athletic from

1528
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: Bruce Feldner, who's a college football round. He sent this

1529
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 1: to you about how defensive coordinators on air raid teams

1530
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: go about coaching day to day, week to week, year

1531
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: to year. And did you read Did you get a

1532
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: chance to read it? I haven't, Okay, so you should

1533
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: read it. There's a big section about how it's not.

1534
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: One of the toughest things for them to do is

1535
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: the personnel is built so specifically for an air a team.

1536
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: You don't have tight ends, you only have certain kinds

1537
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: of receivers, you don't do certain things that there are

1538
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: looks that they're simply not going to see throughout spring camp,

1539
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: throughout the summer, week to week that they just have

1540
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: to get into a game and see And I'm not

1541
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: saying Patriots should be air raid, but to apply it forward,

1542
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: we talked to corners are smaller because receivers are smaller

1543
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: and quicker, the Patriots are going to give think teams

1544
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: things that they are not going to see and they

1545
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: may not be prepared to practice for. I don't know

1546
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: that that's the ultimate way to go about building a

1547
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:49,520
Speaker 1: super Bowl winning team, but at the where they've put themselves,

1548
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: that is not a horrible path to go down and

1549
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: basically say we're going to and it's worked to a

1550
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: certain extent. This is kind of what the early Lamar

1551
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: Jackson offenses were built on was there was no way

1552
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: to pair for that.

1553
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like I think I think the

1554
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: quarterback would be better off with separator.

1555
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: I think he would that ship sailed.

1556
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying, like like I said earlier, I'm

1557
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: not saying, don't sign DeAndre Hopkins because you're right, you're

1558
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 2: you got to take the best players available, and he's

1559
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 2: the best player available, and you make that, you make

1560
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: it work, and you figure it out later. But I

1561
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 2: just I don't But the main thing that I don't

1562
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: love about it, and I always you know, pound the

1563
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: table for separation. But I think what the other element

1564
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: of it is is like there's there's nobody unless you

1565
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: somehow still find a way to get taekwon thoron meaningful snaps.

1566
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: There's nobody taking the top off and so. But and

1567
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: that's not even about like that I need the deep

1568
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: ball in the offense. It's just about space, right, Like

1569
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: it's it's about creating space.

1570
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, how are you? But I would have

1571
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: gone back trade for a guy like like Jerry Judy,

1572
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: all those guys we talked out in the draft last year,

1573
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: Evans sky Moore's and and uh Calvin Austin and guy

1574
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: like that, Like those are the guys that would have

1575
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: put around mac Jones. Absolutely. But this is where they're at.

1576
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: I think the idea is it's gonna be quick. Okay,

1577
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be.

1578
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: How do you get the slants and the digs and

1579
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 2: the crossers, how do you get those routes open? If

1580
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: no defense in the world is afraid of anybody running by.

1581
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: Right, running tight ends up the seam, it's you're not

1582
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: stretching the field on the boundary. You're stretching, And that

1583
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: is that is an Alabama thing. You're now they didn't.

1584
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 2: You're you're making a good point there.

1585
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: And that that is what they did. Now they did

1586
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: it with Jameson Williams. They did with burners, not tight ends. Again,

1587
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: they're doing it by being bigger rather than being faster.

1588
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:42,879
Speaker 1: But you're gonna, well.

1589
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 2: You can if you can tell, if you're telling me

1590
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: and you're talking me into that Kisiki is gonna be

1591
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 2: a legit seam runner, like like it's gonna be a problem.

1592
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: He should be. I mean, I don't know how they

1593
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: That's how I would do it.

1594
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I could see where you're coming.

1595
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: Because that's we know Mac can throw the seam go.

1596
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 1: We know that's one of his best rout That's.

1597
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: Just my biggest thing. I don't need Taekwon Thornton to

1598
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 2: have a thousand yard season. I need Taekwon Thorton to

1599
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: take the safety with him.

1600
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: And that's been their problem for years is they can't

1601
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: keep teams honesty. But if you have Mike Kasiki running

1602
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: the seam from the slot deep and you're bringing DeAndre Hopkins,

1603
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: or you're bringing Juju Smith Schuster, or you're bringing Devontae

1604
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: Parker in behind him, on a slant. You're just gonna

1605
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: create empty space there, and that's what it's gonna be.

1606
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna be just hitting that slant. And you can

1607
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: build RPOs into this, obviously, but it's gonna be hitting

1608
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: that slant until eventually that safety comes up and then

1609
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: you throw the ball to Mi Kasiki or Hunter Henry

1610
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: or Taekwon Thornton or whoever you have running right, You're

1611
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: you're I'm at least open to it. I'm going I'm

1612
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: not saying it. I'm not saying it's gonna be the

1613
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: most revolutionary offense in the world, but the pieces are

1614
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: there to put that together. And I don't know that

1615
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: it's the best offense for Mac Jones, but it's good.

1616
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: It's a good offense Max, it's a good offense for

1617
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: Matt John's.

1618
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 2: It's a real offense for Mac Jone.

1619
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: It's something that builds to maybe not all of his strengths,

1620
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: but some of his strengths compared to last year, which

1621
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: played to none of us. Yeah, that's fair.

1622
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's go, let's clear the clip phones here

1623
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 2: and well we'll wrap it soon. Patty and Aguam. What's up, Patty?

1624
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: How you doing good?

1625
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 3: What's up, guys.

1626
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 6: Hey, I got two quick points and a question. First

1627
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 6: point is I hope Kyle Dougger is the next guy

1628
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 6: that gets THEE extension. Point number two, Alex, I'm with you.

1629
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 6: The fact that Rodney Harrison is not in the Hall

1630
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 6: of Fame to me is absolutely disgusting. You know, for

1631
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 6: many years, Anias Williams was in over Tylaw and I

1632
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 6: could I can never understand the latch behind that. I

1633
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 6: can't believe that guys like Brian Dawkins and I mean

1634
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 6: tall Obala was great. Ed Reids was the best Stapey

1635
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 6: I've ever seen, But Brodney Harrison absolutely deserves to be

1636
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 6: in the Hall of gay absolutely couldn't. You're here And

1637
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 6: my question just to sort of expound upon what I

1638
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 6: talked about on pu Evan because I had to wrap

1639
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 6: it up as i'd get back to work.

1640
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: Love that.

1641
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 6: But when I said possibly, like if they signed Hopkins

1642
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 6: and they have him play kind of like like fifty

1643
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 6: did his final years in Arizona, my big my, my

1644
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 6: idea was like more or less like positionless football on offense.

1645
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 6: I know they've talked about it on defense last year,

1646
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 6: and you guys could probably answer this because I don't

1647
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 6: know because I'm not, like, I don't go as deep

1648
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 6: as you guys go. But maybe like on certain drives,

1649
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 6: you keep the same personnel out there, but you could

1650
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 6: just line them up in different different spots, you know

1651
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 6: what I mean? Yeah, have they have they ever done that?

1652
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 6: And can you see them doing something like that at

1653
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 6: stacepan Hockins.

1654
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 2: That's guys, Yeah, thanks Fatty, Yeah, I mean, like, look,

1655
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: that's for I.

1656
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: Actually think the positionless thing comes into play more if

1657
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: they don't sign Hawkins.

1658
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: So in the simplest form though not to get like

1659
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: into a whole thing, but in the simplest form, like

1660
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: the EP system is like built for that. Like that's

1661
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: that's sort of The goal is that you can run

1662
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: the same play over and over again, but you run

1663
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: it out of with the same personnel on the field,

1664
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: but each time it's a little bit different. And that's like,

1665
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: or you can do.

1666
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: It the other way. You keep running the same play

1667
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: with different personnel and right different. So so my point is different.

1668
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 2: You can put in The Patriots used to do this

1669
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's why I think this is

1670
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: a good example. You can run hast juke out of

1671
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 2: twenty one personnel, which is an empty formation call, right,

1672
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: and you can do it seventeen different ways. And in

1673
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl against the Rams, they ran a three

1674
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: straight plays to get down the field on the game

1675
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: winning drive. And they ran it they hit three different ways, right.

1676
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: They hit it on the juke rout to Edelman, they

1677
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: hit it on the hitch I think it was to

1678
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: Rex burkhead on the outside, and then they hit the

1679
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: seam to Gronk for the big play, right. So they

1680
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: that was the nature of the Beast, and that I

1681
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: think that was actually twenty two if I remember correct,

1682
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,799
Speaker 2: I think Edelman might have been the only wide receiver

1683
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: on the field and they finally like did something that

1684
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 2: caught Weighed Philips by surprise, and like they like, he

1685
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 2: was like, what the heck is going on here? So

1686
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 2: they that's the nature of their offense and respect in

1687
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: its simplest form. Obviously, there's like a million different you know,

1688
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 2: details and things like that that go into it that

1689
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: that even you know, go beyond my knowledge of it.

1690
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: But the main thing is I think that the idea

1691
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: of Hopkins and I think I'm guy that Patty brought

1692
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 2: this up because Mike Lombardi actually brought this up a

1693
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and Mike Lombardi when he's talking

1694
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 2: about guys the Patriots might be interested in or sniffing

1695
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: around or is interested in his Hopkins, it doesn't feel

1696
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: like Mike Lombardi just like gets that out of nowhere.

1697
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 2: And the one thing that Mike Lombardi said is that

1698
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 2: at this stage of his career, because Hopkins has lost

1699
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: maybe a step on the third level of the defense,

1700
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: like he's not a guy that takes that's gonna separate

1701
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: over the top maybe as consistently as he once did.

1702
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Him playing more in the slot and being sort of

1703
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 2: like a possession slot receiver was something that Lombardi floated.

1704
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 2: So I think that the Larry of Fitz comp is possible.

1705
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: But my my only sort of thing with that is, well,

1706
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: like what's Juju doing then?

1707
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: Right?

1708
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 6: You know?

1709
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 2: Like you then so well even still like it's you know, yeah,

1710
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: you can run like three by ones and you two

1711
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 2: by twos and things like that to get two slots,

1712
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 2: so to speak, but like it's not you know, you're

1713
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: starting to get a little bit complex there in terms

1714
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,839
Speaker 2: of like generating more inside receiver.

1715
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, rout, So you know, I mean, I think Hopkins

1716
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: can be a slot receiver from the Z. I think

1717
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: that's possible. Also, what's wrong with complex? They should be

1718
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: more complex? Yeah, I hear you. They need to be.

1719
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: It would definitely be different from what they've they've done,

1720
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: like because when they had like Edelman and Amondola for example,

1721
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: that's a lot different than having two, like six one

1722
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 2: receivers in the slot. You know, it's more like But

1723
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't hate the Layry fitzkomp in terms of you know,

1724
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: Larry Fitz. Yeah, later on in his career, Larry Fitz

1725
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: became a chain moving slot receiver because he couldn't run

1726
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: down the field the same way anymore, right, And that's

1727
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: how he became a possession guy. He was catching like

1728
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty balls out of the slot in Arizona.

1729
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 2: There's a chance that that DeAndre Hopkins is similar. And

1730
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance that that that's the possibility,

1731
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: And that would explain at least in theory, if the

1732
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 2: Hopkins is still in play Alex. That would kind of

1733
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: explain in theory why DeVante Parker is still here right right,

1734
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 2: is like because he's gonna be the outside guy, and

1735
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: they're looking at Hopkins as more as like your float

1736
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: or your move, please, your flank or your z and

1737
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: then Juju's still playing in the slots somehow as well.

1738
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 2: I guess it's possible, and we do you know that

1739
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien loves empty so have at it right, like

1740
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 2: you know you create three by ones, create two by

1741
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: twos and have multiple slot receivers, like, go for it

1742
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 2: all right?

1743
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 6: Uh?

1744
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: Nick is in Salem? Nick, what's going on?

1745
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 6: Going on?

1746
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 4: Going on?

1747
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 6: Fellows?

1748
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 7: Great conversation because a lot of what I was going

1749
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 7: to go and ask about kind of got covered. But

1750
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 7: in relations to the fate of Hopkins and Parker, I

1751
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 7: guess just the offense at large. So I know, you

1752
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 7: just kind of touched on the slop percentage. I know

1753
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 7: Howkins last year looked up was like around seventeen per

1754
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 7: cent in the slot. I mean, I think he has

1755
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 7: done a little bit in the past, obviously, Juju Parker

1756
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 7: get sicky to an extent Hunter Henry in the past

1757
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 7: health issues. I think what like my question is like

1758
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 7: where are we going with the larger picture? And if

1759
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 7: we're just gonna be kind of be like middling team

1760
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 7: middling offense, how we're gonna get a good evaluation on

1761
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 7: Max and kind of decide where we're going in the future, right,

1762
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 7: Like what is this all amounting to? And I think

1763
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 7: to me like going out and getting Hopkins is worth

1764
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 7: whatever kind of shifting round of offensive pieces may come

1765
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,799
Speaker 7: with that, whether it's you know, we signed Juju hey whatever,

1766
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 7: kick him to the side because Hopkins is not kicking

1767
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 7: the side, but you know, find a role for Hopkins

1768
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 7: is that much better and will help us get an

1769
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 7: evaluation of Mac and kind of like direct where we're

1770
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 7: going as a franchise. So yeah, go ahead, Yeah.

1771
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, yeah, Is that it or got anything else?

1772
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: No, I think it's general thought.

1773
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 7: Like also like like a Perry of Parker and Hopkins

1774
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 7: kind of the Mike Williams and Allen sort of build

1775
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 7: to me, which I know is kind of gotten points

1776
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 7: off them for not having like the speed type of

1777
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 7: guy as well, which I know'll be of Taypewon, but

1778
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 7: it has worked around the league, and I know I

1779
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 7: would think of the same thing like Mac and College

1780
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 7: College was working with Smith and Waddell and more of

1781
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 7: the separator type of guys.

1782
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 6: So I don't know.

1783
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 7: To me, it's just worth like taking the shot on

1784
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 7: Hopkins just to see what you have to the most

1785
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 7: stability before we get into the point where you know,

1786
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 7: we're looking at max fits your option. We're kind of

1787
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 7: in like a Daniel Jones situation where he he had

1788
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 7: a great year and the year last year dance Jo

1789
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 7: was talking about we have to decide if you want

1790
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 7: to hamorot. We're coming up on that point quickly. I

1791
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 7: just kind of want to take a step back and

1792
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 7: with a larger perspectives.

1793
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Yeah, thanks for the call.

1794
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 1: Look good.

1795
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: We're all about the larger perspective here, and I think

1796
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 2: we're an agreement that you signing Hopkins is a no

1797
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 2: brainer and figuring out what you have with Mac is

1798
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 2: also a no brainer. But in terms of the bigger picture,

1799
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 2: I think this kind of goes back to to what

1800
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier. As much as all this sounds

1801
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: all well and good, and I do agree that getting

1802
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 2: into the minutia of how these pieces fit together with

1803
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: Hopkins in the mix is almost back to having first

1804
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: world problems again, Alex, Like we're almost back to like,

1805
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, like this is what good teams

1806
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: have to worry about, but at the same time that

1807
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't have a long shelf life, like this is

1808
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: not a long term.

1809
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: So no, this is this is a quick fix. This

1810
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: is a quick fix. It's still gonna be Evan. We

1811
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be sitting here next year in March doing

1812
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: the draft talking about wide receivers and tackles. Yeah, wide

1813
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: receive it's gonna be the same thing we just did.

1814
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Wide receivers tackles, Wide receivers tackles, and it's gonna be

1815
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the third basically since they drafted Mac twenty twenty one

1816
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: was receivers, tackles and corners. Last year was receivers, tackles

1817
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,879
Speaker 1: and corners. All right, they checked the corner back box. Well,

1818
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: they should be good. Actor maybe not.

1819
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're not gonna be good because

1820
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: of Christian Gonzales.

1821
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 4: I know.

1822
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: No, I know what you're saying. Yeah, it still won't

1823
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: be on that level though. It'll be wide receivers. Right,

1824
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: it'll be wide receivers in tackles. That is going to

1825
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: be the draft next year. Whether that's Joe Alt, whether

1826
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:21,440
Speaker 1: that's Aggie.

1827
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 2: Hall, Okay, you're just these real people Joe.

1828
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Alts number one, number one attack on the class. Aggie

1829
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,879
Speaker 1: Hall's at Texas. He's an Alabama transfer because.

1830
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: He sounds like a Madden create a play blanked.

1831
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: On the name of the other Texas receiver. Who's actually filthy?

1832
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Who I want them to get? Who everybody's sleeping on?

1833
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 1: Who's like, Xavi You're worthy?

1834
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: Who is there? Like, who's gonna be my Zay Flowers? Like,

1835
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 2: who's gonna be my burner? That separates and makes me look,

1836
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, makes me get all bother.

1837
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: Honestly, it it so at anin Mitchell's guy I really

1838
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: like in that role. He's super fast. Roman Wilson from Michigan.

1839
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna like Xavier Worthy, Xavi You're worthy. He broke

1840
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: out as a freshman and then he was like kind

1841
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: of hurt last year. He's gonna be with Quinn Ewers.

1842
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a great chance in the Big twelve.

1843
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: Not arch Manning. No, he's redshirting this year. Quinn Youwers

1844
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: is a better quarterback than arch Manning for the record,

1845
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: and actually, as I'm looking at this right now, the

1846
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: database we use they have in their way too way

1847
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: way too early vot Draft at fourteenth overall to the Patriots.

1848
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy. All right, Xavier Worthy is to the guy

1849
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I don't think that's well. You even said

1850
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: we were texting out a couple weeks ago. You're gonna

1851
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of jump start the draft a little bit here

1852
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks.

1853
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try these extensions and all this.

1854
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: If I send you a couple of Xavior Worthy things,

1855
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: will you watched just Savior Worthy? All right? Fine? Sorry?

1856
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: Right now, Mark in Connecticut? What's that? Mark?

1857
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how's it going? I just had too quick

1858
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 4: things on that I've been saying for years. Rodney Harrison

1859
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 4: has been getting snubbed absolutely from the Hall of Fame.

1860
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what the problem is there, but he

1861
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 4: was probably one of the best safeties to ever play

1862
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 4: the game in my opinion, and then arguments here, Yeah,

1863
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 4: And the other thing is is the problem is is

1864
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 4: that we don't have of Rob Gronkowski or a Julian

1865
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 4: Edelman like Tom Brady had when the game was on

1866
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 4: the line, he knew who he was going to and

1867
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 4: the defense couldn't stop whoever he was going to go to.

1868
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 4: We don't have that receiver like type guy. But I

1869
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 4: feel like if we get DeAndre Hawkins, maybe he can

1870
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 4: be that type of receiver from Mac Jones.

1871
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we agree on that. You know, thanks for the call. Mark,

1872
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 2: we talk about Tuesday players. You could talk about it

1873
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 2: in that vein right of when the and I sort

1874
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 2: of wrote this after Mini camp and after this the

1875
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 2: offseason program, like, yeah, they look competent, like they looked

1876
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 2: they looked like an NFL offense again. They got some pieces,

1877
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, they Mike a SICKI looked good. Parker had

1878
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 2: a good, strong finish. I think his last practice was

1879
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: probably his best one. We didn't see Juju and Taekwan

1880
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 2: a whole lot, but you could see, all right, they

1881
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 2: got some things going on. They got some pieces. But

1882
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: is it enough when it's third and six for the

1883
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: game and they need to beat Buffalo and it's thirty five,

1884
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: thirty one and they need one more score, Like are

1885
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 2: they gonna be able to put the drive together?

1886
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: You know?

1887
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: And that you won't know if when if they can

1888
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 2: do that when the cards are down, until the cards

1889
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 2: are down, you know, And and that's that's sort of

1890
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: part of all this whole thing. But I think DeAndre

1891
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: Hopkins could be that guy as well, And I think

1892
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 2: in particular, I think he could be a guy like

1893
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 2: on third down that could certainly be that guy, right,

1894
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 2: you know, it's someone that you can really rely upon

1895
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: and go to and that sort of thing. So we're

1896
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 2: all on the board with with Rodney Harrison. Which did

1897
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 2: you ug right about that recently or something?

1898
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 1: We mentioned it very briefly on the last show.

1899
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mention I'm always for our soapboxing about

1900
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 2: Rodney Harris. I like them go with that. All right,

1901
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 2: last call here, then we're gonna we're gonna call it

1902
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: a day. Leo in Boston, what's up, Leo? Leo?

1903
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 5: Hey?

1904
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 8: So, you know, there's a lot of talk about wide

1905
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 8: receivers and you know, all this stuff, But in the

1906
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 8: years past, I feel like a huge issue of see

1907
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 8: that we haven't figured out yet is having a solid

1908
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 8: consistent offensive line. There has been talk about the tackles.

1909
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 8: Is Bridley Wright is going to show up? Is Trent

1910
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 8: Brown gonna, you know, quote unquote get on board, right,

1911
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 8: But even if he gets on board, he's gonna get hurt,

1912
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:22,759
Speaker 8: like he always does. There's going to be some problem.

1913
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Speaker 8: And our depth is like a ton of question marks

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 8: or really young guys stuff like that. You know, is

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Speaker 8: our coaching staff up up to the task of coaching

1916
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 8: these guys up when we when we lead the offensive depth?

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Speaker 8: You know, are these are these kind of unproven rookies

1918
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 8: going to show up? I feel like if we can't

1919
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 8: protect Mac Jones, we like we haven't in the years past.

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't really care. I feel way more

1921
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 8: confident in a wide receiver class than I do in

1922
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 8: our current offensive line state. You know, David Andrews is

1923
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 8: the only guy who's been there for a while who's

1924
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 8: been dependable, but he's getting old. His backup as well,

1925
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 8: Cody Russie and Jake Andrews, Like, I don't know, I'm

1926
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 8: way more scared about that, and I feel like it's

1927
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 8: not kind of talk about it. I'm curious to see,

1928
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 8: you know, is where's the issue or is this where

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01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 8: we're going to go with or in the past solidify this?

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Speaker 8: Or am I wrong?

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Speaker 6: Are we fine on O line?

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Speaker 1: You know?

1933
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Speaker 8: Can you what do you guys think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, LEO. We're up against a

1935
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 2: little bit, so I'm just gonna let you go. But look,

1936
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,440
Speaker 2: we've been talking about offensive line for months. So I

1937
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: look at the receivers and talking about wide receivers and

1938
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins like it's it's sexier, it's more fun. Like

1939
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it that people want to hear

1940
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 2: us talk about that stuff more that they want us

1941
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 2: to hear about, like who's you know, who's the guard

1942
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 2: you know behind Mike on Winnu right, like like it's

1943
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 2: just a more appealing topic. With that being said, I

1944
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 2: I've said all show long, and basically all off season

1945
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: long since the draft, they in my opinion, have not

1946
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 2: done enough at tackle. They did not shore up the

1947
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: tackle spot. That should be something that we should hold

1948
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 2: them accountable for it. If we get into the season

1949
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 2: and they're strong going the block on the edges, then

1950
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: we can point directly to the offseason and say you

1951
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 2: did this to yourself. You know, you saw this train

1952
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: come in and he didn't move off the tracks, right,

1953
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 2: And that's I think a general legitimate criticism. Now, I'm

1954
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 2: not afraid of the interior three at all. I think

1955
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: Cole should be a decent player for them. David Andrews,

1956
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned in anwenu in the inside will be good

1957
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: as well. It's the tackle spot, And yeah, it does

1958
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 2: come down to it a lot of an extent to

1959
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: Adrian Clem and Bill O'Brien scheming it up like they're

1960
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: gonna have to coach it up. They're gonna have to

1961
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 2: coach around it. They're gonna have to coach. Uh, They're

1962
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: gonna have to call things and call plays that protect

1963
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 2: it and make sure that those guys are playing to

1964
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 2: their strengths and not putting them in disadvantageous positions. And

1965
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 2: that's coaching. And do I think that they have better

1966
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 2: coaching to pull that off.

1967
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I do.

1968
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 2: And I think Adrian Clem is gonna be a fine

1969
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 2: offensive line coach, maybe more in terms of just relevance,

1970
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: like you know Carmen Brisillo, right, No, it's gonna compare

1971
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: him a scar, But Carmen Brisillo it was a really

1972
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 2: good offensive line coach, a professional offensive line coach, And

1973
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: I think Adrian klemm will be similar and Bill O'Brien

1974
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,919
Speaker 2: will figure it out and will be good enough. Well

1975
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 2: we can't. Only time will tell on that. But I'm

1976
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 2: not really afraid of depth along the offensive line because

1977
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 2: I think they have bodies. It's about starting caliber players

1978
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 2: and I think that. That's sort of where I'm coming

1979
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: at as well. With the receivers, it's not about they

1980
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 2: have bodies. They have four or five guys that can

1981
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,560
Speaker 2: play on an NFL field. I think four right now, conservatively,

1982
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 2: I not assuming DeAndre Hopkins is here and on offensive line.

1983
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 2: You know, I did my roster projection. I knew we

1984
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 2: were asked what we were supposed to talk about today

1985
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 2: until all this news took over. I did my roster projection.

1986
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 2: I had ten ten linemen on my roster, and my

1987
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 2: guess is they'll get it down to eight or nine.

1988
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 2: There'll be an injury Foxborough flu right, you know, something

1989
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: along those lines. But in reality, they have ten rosterble

1990
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 2: offensive linemen. Yes, do they have two good tackles or

1991
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 2: do they just have bodies at tackle?

1992
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be the question. It's what I've said about it.

1993
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: They're just throwing as much as they can against the

1994
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: wall and seeing what sticks. And if that's gonna be

1995
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,839
Speaker 1: the plan, they should sign a guy like d J. Flucker.

1996
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: Not because he's gonna fix everything, he's gonna be better.

1997
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: But if that's the plan, the more guys you have,

1998
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: the more right, the more chance one of them is

1999
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: the right ones. So you know, if you're gonna buy

2000
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: lottery tickets, you might as well buy Well, no, that's

2001
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 1: a bad example. But if you have ten dollars to

2002
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: buy lottery tickets, why are you only spending nine dollars

2003
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: on lottery tickets and saving the dollar? You might as

2004
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: well take as many shots as he can.

2005
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Speaker 2: There you go. All right, So we're gonna wrap it here.

2006
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 2: But what a busy day Marine for June twenty ninth.

2007
01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 2: We got two contract extensions, Devonte Parker and Bentley signing

2008
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 2: a contract extensions multiple years in the books for the Patriots.

2009
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins still out there, still out there. We're still

2010
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 2: holding our breath on that one. And what does it

2011
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 2: all mean. I'm not entirely sure that it's all connected,

2012
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 2: but it certainly doesn't hurt their chances creating more cap space. Yes,

2013
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 2: you want to get those guys locked in. Yes, you

2014
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 2: want to start to build that core that we were

2015
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: talking about with Jawan, Bentley, Alex. But last thing here,

2016
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 2: it does sort of feel like they're moving money around

2017
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 2: for something, right, Like why now, Like you could have

2018
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 2: done this when you got got to get You could

2019
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 2: have done this when you got into camp. We could

2020
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 2: have done this in August, like tip. They tend to

2021
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: do this like at the end of August, right, you know,

2022
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 2: and oh, you had a good training camp. We're gonna

2023
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 2: reward you with the extension.

2024
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: Doing this.

2025
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 2: On a week before July fourth tells me that they're

2026
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 2: accounting for something. They're moving around money for something, so

2027
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 2: we'll continue to monitor that situation. We'll be back next

2028
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 2: Thursday for another show, and we'll continue to break this

2029
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: all down and think about all these different situations. But

2030
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Speaker 2: until then, signing off for Alex Bart for Marine behind

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Speaker 2: the Glass, I'm Evan Lazarre. Thanks for listening to four

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Speaker 2: straight hours of me at the host chair, and we'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys next week.

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