1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: thirty seven, and today in the show, we have got 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: a fascinating discussion on the merits of the traveling hunter 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: lifestyle and spot and stock hunting big white tales from 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: the ground. All right, welcome to the wired ton podcast, 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today, I am joined 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: by Tony Treach for what ends up being or I 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: guess it ended up being a really real cool conversation. 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: I just got done recording this one. And Tony is 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: not a hunting industry guy. He's not working full time 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: in this line of work. Rather, he actually started and 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: built up a construction company up in my neck of 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: the woods of northern Michigan. Um was, I'm going to 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: claim them as my neck of the woods since I 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: love that area. But he has built his career and 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: really his whole lifestyle in such a way that Tony 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: is able to travel the country every single fall in 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: search of deer and elk another big game, and he 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: does it for two three four months a year. And 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying he goes out there for a 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: week in September and then a week in October and 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: then a week in November. No, he goes out there NonStop, 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: like he'll take off in August and he won't come 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: home until November, that kind of thing. And he's living 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: out of a tent or the back of his truck, 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: and he's hunting all sorts of critters across the West 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: and the Great Plains, and and he used to spend 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time in the Midwest. And he's basically 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: he's basically living this dream that a whole lot of 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: us have, and he's doing it with a tremendous amount 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: of success and of particular interest to me and probably 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: to a lot of you. A big part of that 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: success has come in the form of chasing and killing 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: a whole lot of big, mature bucks. And he's doing 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: it uniquely by botting, stalking, decoying, and calling him in 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: on the ground. And I'm pretty sure this is right. 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: Tony's done this without having used a tree stand since 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. So today in the show, I'm grilling 42 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: Tony on these two main topics Number one, How he's 43 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: able to pull off this traveling vagabond hunting lifestyle for 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: months at a time. What that's like, the good and 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: the bad? You know? How does he balance his travel 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: with family obligations, some d I y camping tips, and 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff along those lines. And then 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: we get into the nitty gritty of his aggressive approach 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: to hunting big white tails on the ground. And I'm 50 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: telling you what, this one's fascinating. It just got me 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: really really excited, So I can't wait for you guys 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: to hear it. But the corps there before that, you 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: guys ever had that where words are in your mind 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: and then when they get to your mouth, it's like 55 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: you get stumbled up on your tongue. Happens to me 56 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: a whole lot, just unfortunately I do it in front 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: of tens of thousands of people have to hear me 58 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: sound like an idiot, So sorry for that. But what 59 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: A trying to say is that before that, I want 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: to give you an update on the shed hunting trash 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: collecting thing that Dan and I were brainstorming last week. 62 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Again another example of us sounding like idiots. Um, we've 63 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: decided on a hashtag for that, and we're gonna call 64 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: it times in Trash, So the hashtag sign and then 65 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: times and Trash. I hope you guys will join Dan 66 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: and I this spring. When you go out shed hunting, 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: just bring along a trash bag and pick up trash 68 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: throughout your walk, simple as that. And if you want 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: to post a pick with your trash on Instagram, use 70 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: that times and Trash hashtag, and maybe you know, give 71 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: a couple of words of encouragement to others out there 72 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: to do the same. Um. I'll be keeping an eye 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: on the hashtag and just at random pick some folks 74 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: to send some prizes out to nothing bigger, crazy, But 75 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I do want to just give some folks, you know, 76 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of extra incentive to do this and 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: just you know, give you a pat in the back 78 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: for doing a good thing. Um. So I'm gonna set 79 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: out some word hunt stickers, maybe some signed copies of 80 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: that wild Country, maybe a wired hunt yet you rambler 81 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully it's just a 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: fun way to get some room right there, to get 83 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: see a whole lot of that's happening today. I'm hoping 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: this is a good way to just remind us all 85 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: to try to keep our wild places clean. And I 86 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: gotta be honest, I'm I'm not always good about it. 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: I get so focused on the task, as I do 88 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: in many cases, I get tunnel vision and I just 89 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: probably walk right by stuff without even thinking about it. 90 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: And I realized how bad that I typically probably do, 91 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: because yesterday I went out shed hunting and I brought 92 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: my trash bag and I was much more focused on 93 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: looking for trash. And when I started really paying attention 94 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: to it, man, it was kind of depressing how bad 95 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: it was that you couldn't walk fifty yards without seeing 96 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: some more junk out there, And it just it was 97 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: just a good reminder that I need to be better 98 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: at this kind of thing, and maybe we, maybe a 99 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: lot of us, can do a little bit better. I 100 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of people have been doing this a 101 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: lot in the past, So kudos everyone out there who's 102 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: been better than me at picking up trash out there 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: in the woods. Thank you for inspiring me to try 104 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: to get a little bit better. And thanks to the 105 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: wire hunt fans several of you who suggested this to 106 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: me over the previous months and which led to us 107 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: trying this out so times in trash. That's the hashtag hashtag, 108 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 1: not the hashtag having a hell of a day here, guys, 109 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: that is the hashtag poster picks. I'll be keeping an 110 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: eye out. And that's my final update. And now enough 111 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: of all that, enough of my rambling, uh Tom tongue tumbling, 112 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: miss Ques. Let's just get to this chat with Tony Treach. 113 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: I think you guys really gonna enjoy this one, all 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: right with me? Now on the line is Tony Treach. 115 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to show. Tony, Hey, thanks, Mark, glad to be on. 116 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad to make this happen. You're you're up in 117 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: my neck of the woods, aren't you? Kind of the 118 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: northern part of Michigan. Yep, Travis City. Nice sweet. I'm 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: down in the southern part of the state. But my 120 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: family deer Camp is just about a half hour south 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: you there, so I love that part of the state. 122 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: It's a great place. We're gonna talk about that later 123 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: because I grew up about a half mile or a 124 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: half hour south of here, too, so like pretty close. Nice. Yes, 125 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: when we get off everyone to talk specifics, that's great. 126 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: It's it's definitely that whole area, the northern lower kind 127 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: of form the foundation of my outdoor passions, you know. 128 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: And it's funny I keep finding and maybe I'm biased here, 129 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: but it just seems like Michigan, especially West and Northwest Michigan, 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: breeds just really really good sportsmen and women, really passionate 131 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: hunters and anglers and also writers. I mean, um, you're 132 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: up there. My buddy Steve Ronelli's from there. Um, you 133 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: know you've got heavyway that spent time up there. Jim 134 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Harrison spent time up there. A whole lot of outdoors 135 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: people seem to have had that that Michigan influence. Ones. Well, 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: that's a pretty uh prestigious group to have my name 137 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: in the way. I'm not sure if Well, hey, you're 138 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: you're from everything. I've senior one hell of a hunter, 139 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you've you've done some different cool projects across 140 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: the outdoor world too. So I've been kind of distantly 141 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: aware of you for some time. And then I came 142 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: across an article in Field and Stream last year I 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: think I wish you were featured, and I got really intrigued, 144 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: and I put you on my list of like people 145 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I really need to talk to eventually, and and somehow 146 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: I got distracted and never ended up following up with you. 147 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: But I'm glad we're finally doing it because you do 148 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a lot of things uniquely. But there's two things in 149 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: particular that stand out to me that, um, they really 150 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: intrigue me. You and any anytime you're jumping here and 151 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm if I'm off based on any 152 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: of these things, I'm seeing about you and reading about 153 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: you and hearing from you. But it seems like you 154 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: have built a life for yourself that's pretty unique compared 155 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: to most people. You've kind of built a world and 156 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: a yearly schedule and a career that has centered on 157 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: hunting and allowing yourself to go and hunt and adventure 158 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: as much as you possibly want. Um Am I right 159 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: in that you have kind of very thoughtfully crafted your 160 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: life to create the time and space and freedom to 161 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: to hunt this way. Is that right? Cool? Yeah, that's uh, 162 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: that's true. Um. I started a business in my early 163 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: twenties as a carpenter. Uh realized real fast, if I 164 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: want to spend time hunting, it was going to have 165 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: to you know, there was basically that was the only way. 166 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: It was to be my own boss and U and I, 167 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, measure that the people that worked for me 168 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: and the people that I worked with no that you know, 169 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of this thing when to fall rolls around, 170 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Tony is going to be gone, and it's it's definitely 171 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: evolved over the years from just being gone maybe a 172 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: couple of weeks at a time, traveling around the Midwest 173 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: in Illinois and Iowa, Ohio and Kansas, to now traveling 174 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: all across the country and the mountains. And the biggest 175 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: biggest hurdle for me is, you know, with that is 176 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: is managing the people. And but I've been pretty lucky 177 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: that I against good people and it's it's it's worked 178 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: out so far. So you're you're from some of the 179 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: things I've heard. You're sometimes taken off in July or 180 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: August and then not coming back till what November or 181 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: December or something like that. Is that is that accurate? Uh? 182 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: There has been years yet last year I think you 183 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: got left or I guess it was. This past year, 184 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: it was wasn't as bad. Well, if you asked, my 185 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: wife should probably tell you it was bad, But it 186 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: wasn't as bad as two those two those nights left 187 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: July at something like that, you know, and then that 188 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: range of last two weeks of a wi somewhere here 189 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: because I had a Nevada tag and early Nevada tag 190 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: that I wanted to scout for and I've never been 191 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: in the unit. I was just going off from Smithfold 192 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: from another friend and uh, and then you know, I 193 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: just basically had hunts lined up all you know, you know, 194 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: all across the West right up until well pretty much 195 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: the end of November. And usually I'll try to get home, 196 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: you know, sometime in late October before I leave again 197 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: for the White Tail Rep. That's like a whole other 198 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: separate thing. But that year I didn't get to and 199 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: I was gone almost almost four months ago there spent 200 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: this past year was only I think it was just 201 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: shy of three months. So so a lot of people, 202 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people dream of doing something 203 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: like that, right, this idea of just hunting NonStop tour 204 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: in the country, checking off all these bucket list hunts. 205 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: A lot of people like that idea, um, but not 206 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people actually do it. Why why 207 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: do you do Why do you actually do it? Why? Like, 208 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: what's at the root of this being like a reality 209 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: of your life. I realized, like it's really easy to say, well, 210 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: I just love to hunt, but there's gonna be something 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: deeper that has that has led you to like this 212 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: very extreme. UM, I think it's fair to say, like 213 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: an extreme lifestyle choice. What um probably the biggest reasons 214 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: no one's told me. No. Uh, I just recently got 215 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: married so that you know, and I've vend her for 216 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: three seasons before I before I put a ring on 217 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: her fingers, so she knows what she's influenced. But but 218 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: we actually joked about putting in the pre nup field agreements, 219 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: you know that I would we we you know, agreed 220 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: on three months to a year instead of four. But 221 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: I've just I've I got really good at what I 222 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: did for a living. Um Like, so in my area, 223 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm yeah, basically a KURP free subcontractor, and 224 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: then I have reputation of being one of the best. 225 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: So myself, my guys were in high demand and people 226 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: that wanted us. You know, it came with the with 227 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: the expectation that you know, I'm not going to be 228 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: there for these months and they know that, UM, if 229 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't good at what I did, I probably wouldn't 230 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: have been able to demand that extra clause in the contract, 231 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: so to speak. But because we were really good, we 232 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: had a great reputation of getting things done the right 233 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: way and not taking advantage of situations and you know, 234 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, treating people right. And because of that, um, 235 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: everything just kind of fell into place. And and I 236 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: had great employees too, you know, it's I've had, you know, 237 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: for the last twenty years, I've had some fantastic men 238 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: working for me. And um, if it wasn't for that, 239 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, if I had never found good employees, and 240 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, you can't do something like that. Um. As 241 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: far as the maybe in my nature like what makes 242 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: it possible, it's just it's probably the same reason the 243 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: mountains are are so intriguing to me now, uh, and 244 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: I spend more time there than I do in the Midwest. 245 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: It's just because there's there's there's a little bit of 246 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: a mispeak to it that like the next what's over 247 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: the next mountain? You know, what's the next you know, 248 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: it's it's just there's there's something always calling me to 249 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: go a little bit further and try something new. Yeah, 250 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: you definitely can can relate to that. Do you think that? 251 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: And I gotta believe it's probably something both. But I'm 252 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: curious how you think about it. Do you look at this. 253 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Is it more so the hunting itself? Is it the 254 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: fact that you just love the hunt? Or is it 255 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the adventures side of things and like the whole travel 256 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: and journey of months at a time living off grid, 257 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: because that, unless this has changed recently, as I understand it, 258 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: you're pretty much camping the whole time. I don't think 259 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: you get hotels and things like that typically. Um, what 260 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: is it? Is it the combination issue? Is that one 261 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: of the other that really makes this thing such a thing? 262 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: Or or just described to me the different facets of 263 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: this kind of expedition of swords good questions Mark, So 264 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: that's a yeah, yeah, that's a good that's a good question. 265 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: I think that there's part. I don't think that because 266 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: I do it all different types of hunting. So it's backpack. 267 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Some of it's you know, I have like I set 268 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: up a car camp in your right, I don't use 269 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: the hotel rooms. I think I stayed in the hotel 270 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: room one time last year, um or last season, I 271 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: mean the and that was just because I got done 272 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: super late at night. No, it was covered in elk blood. 273 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: But the yeah, it was. It was a good day. 274 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: The I don't think it is necessarily the hunt. Um, 275 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. It isn't actually the punging of 276 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: the tag. It's the look. The thing I look forward 277 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: to the most. And that probably would explain it better 278 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: is scouting season. Yeah, and and and this also is 279 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: one of my big secrets that helped me be successful 280 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: at take and giant animals every years. Get there early, 281 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: put the time in scouting. I'd much rather have a 282 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: week of scouting in three days of honey or four 283 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: days of hunting than you know, one or two days 284 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: they look around and then ten days of hunting. Um, 285 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: that scouting is key, and that scouting is also my 286 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: favorite time of the year. Like you give me ten 287 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: days you know, just cruising around looking for it doesn't 288 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: matter if it's Kansas white tails, you know, on the prairie, 289 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: or if it's Colorado up in the high country in 290 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: August above timberline, scouting with a camera and trying to 291 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: find that buck that I want to you know, okay, 292 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: you know be my target. Like, okay, this is what 293 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna this is the guy we're gonna go after. 294 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: That's that's my favorite time, the barn hunt. Yeah, man, 295 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: I can totally relate to that. I love those days 296 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: proceeding the hunt, when you're watching and looking and and 297 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: enjoying everything around the hunt. Still you're basically hunting, but 298 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: it's there's still that anticipation that that's pretty awesome. So okay, 299 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: so let's let's dig in a little further into what 300 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: this is actually what's the reality of this kind of thing, 301 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: because again I'm thinking, I know there's a lot of 302 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: people out there that's sitting their cubicle and dream of 303 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: living your life, dream of that lifestyle. Um, I'm sure 304 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: it's not all rainbows and butterflies though, um So, what 305 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: is what are some of the best things of of 306 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: this kind of lifestyle or about this your your two 307 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: or three or four month voyage. What are the some 308 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: of the things that stand out is like the best 309 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: unexpected moments, Like, of course, we know seeing a big 310 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: box great and we know that, um, you know, getting 311 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: a deer in the ground is gonna be a great thing. 312 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: But what are a couple of the little things that 313 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: just make the inside of you smile. And then on 314 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: the flip side, what are a couple of the things 315 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: about this lifestyle, about that two or three or fourth 316 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: trip that are just like the the the unknown ship 317 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: that you deal with that most people wouldn't think about. 318 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: What are a few things on both sides of the 319 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: coin to stand out? Boy? Um? You know, I think 320 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: that probably they both revolve around the same thing, and 321 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: that's people I get to meet, and I have met 322 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: some amazing people on the side of the mountain that 323 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: are friends this day. People in every state, Um. And 324 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, you can see some cool, crazy animal stuff 325 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: if you're in the woods, you know, whether it be 326 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: the Midwest or the mountains for hundred and twenty days 327 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: a year, you're going to see some stuff that not 328 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: many of the people are seeing. And I've seen some 329 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: crazy things happen. I've seen animals doing things that maybe 330 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, most people don't see. So that's that's always cool. Um. 331 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: The worst things that can happen are back to the 332 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: people thing. It's you know, I'm away from the people 333 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: I love for a long time. Um, And every year 334 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: I make the you know, my wife now and I 335 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: we've always made the agreement that you know, if I 336 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: tag out early somewhere and I still have you know, 337 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: if I have, you know, maybe six days before the 338 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: next hunt starters, maybe I'll only scout four days and 339 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: I'll fly literally just parked the truck at a at 340 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: an airport, fly home for a night or two, and 341 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: then fly back to that airport and then jump back 342 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: the truck and start over again. But it just never 343 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: seems to happen. It's like I'm always running behind, um 344 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: and I'm literally racing from from from mountain, you know, 345 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: from state to state, and it's not I mean, sometimes 346 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: you tag out early and it's like, wow, I got 347 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: you know, I can leisurely now drive from New Mexico 348 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: to to Mountana, which if anybody has never done that before, 349 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: you're basically driving from Canada to Mexico and it's long. 350 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: It's further than it is from Michigan to Nevada. And 351 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: I did that trip three times last year. Um. It's 352 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: it's not always just relaxing and fun and it's uh, 353 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: it's just go go, go, go go to you know, 354 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: And it's and it's my fault. I mean I piled 355 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: too many tags on a lot of times, and um, 356 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not just hunting premium you know, limited 357 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: entry tags them, I'm a lot of I'm not any 358 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: tag I can get a lot of times. I'm just 359 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: trying to throught my schedule. And it sometimes becomes a 360 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: little bit of aware. You know, wears on a guy 361 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: and you missed the people at home, you missed your dogs, 362 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: you even you know, I missed my co workers, the 363 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: guys that you on the job site. The uh you know, 364 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: you're with modern technology, you'll we always got everybody readed 365 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: our fingertips, and we can, you know, chat and text 366 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: with people and friends. But um, when when I'm out 367 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: there for that long even I mean when I run 368 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: into a gas station, you know, I'm I'm chatty catty, 369 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: which is not my normal personality. Uh. And people probably 370 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, they don't know me, so they don't think 371 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: anything of it. But I mean, you just you can 372 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: only talk to yourself, but without going somewhat crazy for 373 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: so long before you you need a little bit of 374 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: And well that's what the things I was curious about 375 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 1: is is I've done a lot of these solo trips myself. Um, 376 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: but they're always they've always been you know, seven to 377 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: twelve days. Um. And even in that period where I'm 378 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: all by myself on a hunt of some kind, camping 379 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: on the back of my truck, even then it starts 380 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: to I like it a lot, but you still do 381 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: start to feel a little bit that loneliness or a 382 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: little bit of that kind of inside your head cabin fever. Um. 383 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: How do you how do you deal with that when 384 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: you're doing that for a hundred twenty days? Or is it? 385 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: Was it simply what you just said. You just talked 386 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: to folks at the gas station or at the diner 387 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Is there any other things that 388 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: you're doing to to stay sane? Well, I think I 389 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: probably started talking to myself on the on the second day. 390 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: They're second way from home. Um, it's that that starts 391 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: pretty quick. It's when I start to argue with myself. 392 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: That's when I know there's a problem. But the the 393 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm how you say this, Um, I can I 394 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: can focus on focusing on problems pretty pretty well. And 395 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: when I have a target animal, if I if you know, 396 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: if I've found an animal, even if I haven't seen 397 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: him in a long time, if I as long as 398 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: I know it's there. It's super easy for me to 399 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: focus and stay like I mean literally, I wake up 400 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: in the morning with one thought in my mind the 401 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: whole day, hunt hard, go to bed, you know, in 402 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: a tent somewhere on the side of the mountain wherever 403 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: my day ended, and the next day start over again. 404 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: And then ten days can go by before I realize like, 405 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: oh crap, I'm out of food and I gotta hike 406 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: back the truck or whatever. So it's it's only when 407 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't have that I would just say that point 408 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: of focus. Yes, So you go somewhere and you scout 409 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: for five days, you don't find anything. I don't find 410 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: anything I want to hunt. That's when things start turning 411 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: and get weird. Or if I've had I've had literally 412 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: had you know, my buckshot out from nderneath me. I've 413 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: I've literally had uh judy scoping pictures of a of 414 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: a of a book that I found a couple days 415 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: before I was on my way to another because I 416 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: stopped in that state to just scout for like four 417 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: or five days. I was leaving that state go to 418 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: another state to scout and then hunt, and I'm having 419 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: dinner at a little restaurant and I look at my 420 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: phone on Instagram and I saw the same book, but 421 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: I just took pictures of an hour or two ago 422 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: in the same bed. Someone else literally just found him. 423 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: That's that's I mean, he hadn't even moved yet, like 424 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: he was still there. And you know, your heart thinks. 425 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: It's at times like that, it's where it's really hard 426 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: to just to keep it together. And but if I guess, 427 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: if there's if that carrots out in front of me, 428 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: if I can, you know, if I can see the end, 429 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: then it's really easy for me to just buckle down, 430 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: focus on what I gotta do and get it done, 431 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: and they move on to the next day. It's funny 432 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned that, Um, you know, when you're so focused 433 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: on something I found personally, when I'm hunting or fishing 434 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: in particular for me, fly fishing in in particular, bow hunting. Um, 435 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: when I'm involved in one of those two things, almost 436 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: nothing else can get in my head. Like for for 437 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: that five hours or that ten hours or that seven days, 438 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: I'm fully enveloped and consumed by this thing, and I 439 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: don't think about politics, and I don't think about the crap. 440 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: That's going on at home or some weird tiff with 441 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: a friend or something going on with work. Um, I 442 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: can just be wholly consumed by this one thing. And 443 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: that's always been something that I think is is really 444 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: unique that I don't know if I can find that 445 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: anywhere else in the world in my life. Um, that's 446 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: something that's always drawn me to these things. I think. 447 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: Is that something that's true for you too? I means 448 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: that's part of what pulls you out doing these things 449 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: for so long? Is it too? I don't want to 450 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: say it's an escape, um, but maybe maybe there's a 451 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: little bit of that to what I like about it. 452 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how exactly I would explain it, But 453 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: does anything that resonate with you? Yeah, No, that there's 454 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: definitely a different feeling. I get what I mean Literally 455 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm pulling up to a trailhead and 456 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: there's a big mountain in front of me, and there's 457 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about anything else, Like it's just I've 458 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: got a big task in front of me. And maybe 459 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: it's somewhere you've been, maybe it's somewhere you haven't been, 460 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: but either way, it's there's a gigantic puzzle in front 461 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: of that you've got to figure out and it's gonna 462 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: take everything, you know, if you want to do it, 463 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: you know, get the most out of It's gonna take 464 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: everything you've got to get it done. And it's the 465 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: same thing in the Midwest too. I mean, um, you know, 466 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: the problems are different, but it's it's uh, it's well 467 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: with any trip, no matter where you're going. I guess 468 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: as far as your on that same line of thought, 469 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: you have to have everything settled and good at home 470 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: before you can go on a trip and be away 471 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: from home doing you know, doing a hunt like that 472 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: for that for any length of time. Otherwise when you 473 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: do get them out and you're still gonna be worrying 474 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: about the problems you left at home. Everything has to 475 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: be buckled up and tied, you know, tidy at home 476 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: before you can really enjoy anything you know, out there. 477 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: So it's but that's a great point speaking along those lines. 478 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: One of the things that that you know, I've talked 479 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: about for years and years here on the podcast with 480 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: with my buddy Dan, We've always talked about the challenges 481 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: of of how you can balance your love for hunting 482 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: with your obligations at home and with your relationships? Um, 483 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: how what does that look like for you? Um? With 484 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: your now wife? Um how? I think one of the 485 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: biggest things that a lot of people have a hard 486 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: time with is trying to explain to their significant other. 487 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: And maybe it's maybe it's a wife, or maybe it's 488 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: maybe the hunters of female and she's got a husband 489 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: who doesn't get it, whatever it is, explaining like why 490 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: this matters so much? Explaining why you have to go 491 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: off for a seven day trip or a seven week trip. Um, 492 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: how have you gone about trying to explain that to 493 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: your girlfriend and now your wife and and haven't makes 494 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: sense to her? Or or is the reason she's your 495 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: wife now because she just innately got it? Yeah? That there, 496 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: there's probably a little bit of both there she uh 497 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: literally like on our first date, I'm you know, I 498 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: learned real quick. You better explain it to him up 499 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: front kind of what you do with your life because 500 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: if or there's going to be a big surprise later 501 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: for one of you. And so she knew exactly what 502 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: she was getting into. And you know, I think they 503 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: all would, uh, Like when when you tell someone that 504 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: you you know, like when I tell somebody I hunt 505 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, You're like, oh, yeah, how much 506 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: like woll usually, you know, three or four months. We're like, 507 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we you know, we hunt birds in September 508 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: and then all the different scenes. I'm like, no, no no, 509 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean I'm gone for three or four months straight. 510 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: And so literally I remember telling Jody that over the phone, um, 511 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: and she, uh, She's like, what do you mean? And 512 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: I think we were facetimeing, and I literally like I 513 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: took my phone and I just kind of like I 514 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: was in my living room and I just kind of 515 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: like made a little three sixty spin so she could 516 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: see all because I've got a there's I don't even 517 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: know how many heads in the house. And she's like, oh, 518 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: that's a different type of art than I was thinking 519 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: would be on the walls in the house. But so 520 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: she knew she was getting into um, and she's seen 521 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: the passion, ah, that I have for it, and she 522 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: knows I'm a pretty passionate guy about everything. And I remember, 523 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, after she knew me for a while, and 524 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: she looked at some of the pictures that I'd take these, 525 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, I say, after I got something on the ground, Um, 526 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: and she could see the type of smile that I had. 527 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: She's like, she's like, she's remember her saying like, I 528 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: don't I've never seen a smile like this, Like I 529 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: don't like, I don't, I don't know that. I've never 530 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: seen you that happy before. Um. And a couple of 531 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: years ago I got a chance to take her with me. 532 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: She was able to get some time off from her 533 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: work to go on a scouting trip up in Colorado 534 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: the high country and late July, mid July, and you know, 535 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: hike Upbove Timberly and is just beautiful, big green basins, 536 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: and she got to see all kinds of animals, and um, 537 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: I think she I think she kind of fell in 538 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: love with it too. And I think she understood. I mean, 539 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: she she gets whites it means so much to me, 540 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: and um, she realizes that that's just it's part of 541 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: who I am. Yeah, that's great to find a partner 542 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: like that, who can you know, appreciate that and and 543 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: support you in that way. So this raises an interesting 544 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: question though, because you have someone who understands why you 545 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: love this and who's been out there with you and 546 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: and has found joy in it too. Um, why do 547 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: you choose to do most of this stuff solo? Though? Um, 548 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: I know I've got friends that wonder why I like 549 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: to take off for these trips on my own. Um My, 550 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: my wife thinks, you know why, it's got to be 551 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: lonely or boring or dangerous or something. Um. And I 552 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: certainly do like doing some trips with friends. There's a 553 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: certain different kind of fun with that. But there's something 554 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: special about taking off on your own and just being 555 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: with yourself and the mission in front of you. Um, 556 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: what's what's that for you? Why is that an important 557 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: part of what you do? Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe 558 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: it's not an important part. Well, I think it started 559 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: out it's just a matter of I was I was 560 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: more effective, it was more lethal alone. Um. When I 561 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: realized that when I was hunting in the Midwest, but 562 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: with buddies who weren't as careful about how they got 563 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: to their true stands or got out at night, or 564 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: they weren't as careful about you know, Uh, they're sent 565 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: setups or playing the win and it's like I just 566 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: got sick of dealing with And I love the guys 567 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: are that they're you know, they're they're great guys, and 568 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: I just got to the point where I'm like, I 569 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: don't want to have to deal with everybody else's mistakes. 570 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: I've got enough of my own. And I started hunting 571 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: on my own, and I started killing bigger, better animals. 572 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: And so when I went to the mountains and started 573 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: doing out there, I just it was natural to be alone. 574 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: And even though I didn't know what I was doing. 575 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: Thank God for a couple of great websites out there 576 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: that you know, you know, you're you can really learn 577 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot about that. But I it's and and and honestly, 578 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I have hunted with somebody. I think that this is 579 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: two years in a row now. I've hunted with a 580 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: with a guy that I met on the side of 581 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: the mountain in Wyoming. We've we became friends when we met, 582 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: and then he invited me to hunt with him and 583 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: just a general dreary and Wyoming the last couple of years. 584 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: And I spent a week with him the last two years. 585 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: But it's it's, uh, it's not it's not hard for 586 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: me to be alone. I think that, Okay, I'm very 587 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: comfortable and I don't like, you know, I don't get scared. 588 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: I don't get lonely. I mean, since I don't get lonely. 589 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: I missed my family and friends. But it's not I 590 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: don't need There's no nothing in me that just says I, 591 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, I need to have people around all the time. 592 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: That's and that's probably my my true you know, that's 593 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: that's kind of why I am. I've always just been 594 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of a loner in Um. If the 595 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: friends are around, great, If not, that's great too. But 596 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: it definitely has his challenges, especially in the mountains when 597 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: you get something down. But it's the I actually look 598 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: forward to hunting now probably with people. Those are like 599 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: almost my you know hunt woman that I was talking 600 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: about about my buddy Derek. Um, we didn't shoot deer 601 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: last year, neither of us here, and it was one 602 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: of my most memorable hunts of the year. There's a 603 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun, but so it's one of the hunts 604 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: down that I look forward to. And uh, I'm sure 605 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: there'll be more in the future where I'm not alone. 606 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: But suspending so much time on the road doing this 607 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um, I gotta believe you've you've put 608 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: your gear through the ringer, you've put your whole camp 609 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: life process through the ringer, you figure some stuff out 610 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: by Now, Um, what are a few of the most 611 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: crucial pieces of gear that you've come across that just 612 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: make living on the road or living you know, pull 613 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: off on National forest land or somewhere. What are a 614 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: couple of things that stand out? Is, man, this thing 615 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: is the ticket, or maybe it's a customized piece of 616 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: year or something is Is there a couple of things 617 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: that stand out? Is something that jee has just changed 618 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: your life in some small way. Oh, this is funny. 619 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: It has really not much to do with hunting. But 620 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those little little pump showers that I 621 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: think it's made by Nemo, and it's just this little 622 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: teeny You put a couple of gallons of water in 623 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: it and step by it with your foot and it's 624 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: just got like a six ft hose on the end 625 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: of it, and it is a game changer. Like I Yeah, 626 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: without that thing, there are a lot of hunts that 627 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be running a hundred miles back every 628 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: couple of days for a shour because there's no other 629 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: good sources of water, no cricks to jump in, and um, 630 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: that thing is save me a lot of few on time. UM, 631 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: good food, Um, when you're gone that like, so when 632 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: I leave, my whole truck is packed for you know, 633 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: for that entire time. I've got a little trailer I 634 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: pull behind me with freezers and coolers and uh, the 635 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: last couple of years, I've taken a quad literally a 636 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: small the smallest format for a TV I could find, 637 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: just because I beat my truck up so much over 638 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: the years. And the whole back of the trucks just 639 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: full of gear but but very organized, and all of 640 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: those things in there, Like there's nothing in the truck 641 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't need, and there's a bunch of things that 642 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: I have spears of. But one of the most important 643 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: things that that's so something I ever looked for a 644 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: few years is food because when you're living off from 645 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: dehydrated freeze, dried food for that long um, and snack 646 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: bars and jerky and you know just you know, you know, 647 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: the lightweight things that we take up the mountains with us, 648 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: or the things that we have a tent somewhere. It 649 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: is just it it gets old real fast. Your body 650 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't do well with it. And I would say 651 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: food is one of the like good like good good 652 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: freeze dried food and there are some really good options 653 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: out there now. Um, and good bars like you have 654 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: to be really careful with that stuff. You know, you're 655 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: you're average, and I think they're getting better. But the 656 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: old stand by, like you know what they called power 657 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: bars or whatever. Those things are just pullsh sugar and 658 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of them work. And there's a bunch of 659 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: healthy ones now. But yeah, a shower and good food 660 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: basically as the key things that that people wouldn't think 661 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: of that are pretty key of the truck. Yeah, So 662 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: what's what's the food of choice? What's your favorite brands 663 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: or meals or bars? Um? What ends up in your 664 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: truck when you head out for these things? Well, the 665 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: bars and oh there's so many new ones out there. 666 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: It's almost like I think there's three a far different 667 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: brands in my in my hometown now. Um, so I'm 668 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: always trying to do bars and that and that's I 669 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: really haven't settled down one. Um. As far as freeze 670 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: ride food food, Um, there's a small company called Off 671 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: Grid Food Company and they make absolutely fantastic freeze drig 672 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: food and it's uh, I want to say, it's all organic. 673 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: All they're like, there's no like if you if anyone's 674 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: ever eaten Mountain House for a long time, you know 675 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: it's just pactful of SODI and the I think that's 676 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: part part of it. I think it's just part of 677 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: the way to keep it keep its shelf life. But 678 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I want to say off Gride only uses sea salt, 679 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: so it's it's it's got a lot of sea salt 680 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: in it, but it's it's naturally healthy salt um. So 681 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: the difference the way I feel after eating Avery five 682 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: days first or fifty versus H Mountain House is substantial. 683 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: And H and they're He's good. They're good people too. 684 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: There's nothing better than finding a product you love and 685 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: then getting to me the people that the they're behind 686 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: it and there they're great dudes. So that's awesome. I 687 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: when I talked to someone like you and hear about 688 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: the things that you're doing out there, it gives me 689 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: this itch to get out and do something like that too. 690 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: It gives me I already had that that it's right 691 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: now this time of year, I've got crazy cabin fever. 692 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: I just want to get out doing some something different 693 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: and take off on a road trip and head off 694 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: in the mountains or whatever might be. Um, but I'm 695 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: definitely getting that again just hearing you describing, you know, 696 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: the trips that you're going on, and I'm getting inspired. 697 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: Who has inspired you when it comes to this stuff? 698 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: Is there Is there a a person or is there 699 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: a book or a writer or a movie or anything 700 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: out there that has kind of inspired this wander lust 701 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: or sense of adventure in you. Boy, that's a good one. Um. 702 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god. My dad was the guy that had 703 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 1: me in a tree stam when I was eight years old, 704 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, tell me to be quiet, uh for you know, 705 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: But he never I don't think he ever hung out 706 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: of the state until I was out of high school. Um. 707 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: And I'm taking him back to Kansas this year with 708 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: me for the first time and who knows how long. Um. 709 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: He's definitely been my biggest inspiration in the hunting side 710 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: of my life. But as far as inspiration for getting 711 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: and doing doing the you know, the hunting away from home, 712 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: there wasn't. When I started doing around the Midwest, I 713 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: really didn't know if anybody else that was doing it. Um, 714 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was, it just was prior to the 715 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: internet or what maybe Internet but social media, and there 716 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: wasn't there just wasn't anybody that I knew of doing it. Um. 717 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: When I started transition to the mountains and the plains 718 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: from the Midwest, Aaron Snyder, the now president of Kafaro, 719 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: was one of guys that, you know, it was one 720 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: of the guys that back in the days on the 721 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: forums and stuff, he was willing to help guys and ah, 722 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: he helped me um a lot. So you know, I 723 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: reached out to him at it out of a necessity. 724 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: I bought a backpack that was just killing me, UM, 725 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: and I reached out to him. And it wasn't even 726 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: the backpack that that he sold, but he helped me, 727 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, figure out how to get fit to me 728 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: and then he gave me some advice on my next 729 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: backpack purchase, which was one of theirs. And oh my god. Yeah, 730 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: so he was he was a big help. But that 731 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I've never really really been someone 732 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: too like idolize anybody. So it's just been there's been 733 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: some people that have helped me along the way. But um, 734 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: discourage men. Yeah. Yeah. The rock slide was like I 735 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: said before that if it wasn't for you know, like 736 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: the information is on the internet, uh, like in place 737 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: with like rock Slabry, you know, I write for sometimes 738 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: they that helps guys like I didn't know anything. You know, 739 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: it helps guys that you want. You're in the Midwest 740 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: and you want to come out of the mountains and 741 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: do a d I y hunt, you can literally, Yeah, 742 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: there's guys in there that will help you, and there's 743 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: information that will help you with whatever you want. I 744 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: didn't it really. It takes a lot of pain on 745 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: alerting to it, for sure. And that's that's basically all. 746 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: I did a lot of great resources out there. So 747 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: so as I understand it was somewhere around two thousand 748 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: and eleven. Oh, I guess maybe I'm totally wrong on that. Um. 749 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: But at some point, as you start heading out west, 750 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: more and more often started doing the whole mountain thing, 751 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: the prairie hunting. UM. I think I read somewhere that 752 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: somewhere around two thousand eleven you realize that when it 753 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: came to white tails, you didn't want to use a 754 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: tree stand anymore. You decided to ditch the standard game 755 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: that you been doing forever and stay on the ground. Um. 756 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: First off, is that correct? And then secondly, how did 757 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: you come to this epiphany that you were going to 758 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: be a more lethal hunter on the ground than in 759 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: a tree. That is that there's a lot there there. 760 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: That's a whole podcast. The So I grew up like 761 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: like I said, I was in the tree stand and 762 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: my dad was kind of one of those guys, was 763 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: not afraid of heights, and none of his hunting buddies 764 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: would climb his tree stands, and I was up there 765 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: at eight years old with them, And so my tree 766 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: stands became the same way. When I was hut in 767 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: the Midwest, none of my buddies would use my stands 768 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: because it was not uncommon for me to be a 769 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: thirty plus near And I saw it once. Um. Not 770 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: not that they had any effect on me, not want 771 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: to hunting them anymore. But I've lived the whole you know, 772 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: sitting a tree stand all day, all of November, every 773 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: single day of the month. I've done that the whole program. 774 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: So I understand all how effective it can can be 775 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: when you're in the right places. Um. It wasn't until 776 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: I was in Kansas, um, my very first year there, 777 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: and the guys that invited me to come with them. 778 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: They were actually rifle hunters. And so my first year, 779 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: the first three years in Kansas where you're actually hlping 780 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: my the rifle. Um, we got there and the one 781 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, they had hunted previously. They're just bird hunting. 782 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: And the rancher always told me, hey, you guys were 783 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: never shoot shoot some of these brown you know rats 784 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: as he called them. Just come on out here and 785 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: anytime you want. And like, I mean, he's a rancher 786 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: that has just who knows how much property and knows 787 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: everybody else. And so he met us that we met 788 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: him at this this four corner out the middle of 789 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: nowhere when it's just flat as a pancake. I can't 790 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: I can't see a treaty. We pull over on side 791 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: of road there is this truck and me to the reductions. 792 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: He was like, well, I wanted to meet here because 793 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: we've got the northwest section to us here and then 794 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: across the road, I've got the first half of this section. 795 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: And then you know, we got and he's and he's 796 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: pointing all the you know, and he's talking in all 797 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: this different stuff. I'm looking around, like, where the hell 798 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: are we gonna kill a deer here there's not a 799 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: single tree, there's not a bush. And then we we 800 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: drove from the spot to spot and he showed us 801 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: probably fifteen spots that afternoon, and there was one property 802 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: that had some like a little river about, you know, 803 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: something like a choke thick little river bottom section, and 804 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: all of us just our I just lit up on that, 805 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: like that's what we're gonna be hunting. And uh, that 806 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: first opening day came and we were all kind of 807 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: covering different corners of that little Brushing Creek brot on 808 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: that we had phone and we saw some bucks, nothing, 809 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: nothing good. But all of us when we got back, 810 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: we're like, oh, yeah, I was seeing but I was 811 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: glassing up deer like way out in the middle of 812 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: the grass, just betted there. They were walking around and 813 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: they bed in the grass and they just disappeared. And 814 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: it took us a while to realize it. The deer 815 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: there weren't They weren't. They weren't living where there was trees. 816 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: They weren't staying when they were trees. They weren't. I mean, 817 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: they go through there, they've moved through there, but they 818 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: weren't using it for betting. They weren't using it for 819 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: it was just a travel corridor. It was all. It 820 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't even one that they used often. Um. 821 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: And that's obviously gonna change in different areas where there's 822 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: more trees or whenever. But for us it became a 823 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: out of necessity. It's like, well, there's no sense in 824 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: having a tree stand or even a ground blind at 825 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: this point. We just gotta stay mobile and use our 826 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: glass and then find them and then put a plan together. Um. 827 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: And that's how that's how it started. I think that 828 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,240 Speaker 1: same year that I went down there, um at eleven 829 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: or twelve, wanted two uh in I guess what was 830 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: before that? Actually that that year in Kansas, but a 831 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: couple years later was my last year in Illinois that 832 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: I hung out of a tree standing. Um. I haven't 833 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: went back. I always keep one. I was keeping a 834 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: little more from the back of the truck, just in 835 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: case I find that one spot where whatever. I know, 836 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: there's there's situations I've came across from, like dang it, 837 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: if I just if if I just sit on this 838 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: water hole, that bowl is gonna come in and that 839 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: buck's gonna he's using it every day. It's dry, So 840 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: there's I'm not ignorant to the fact that I'm missing 841 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: some opportunities by sticking to the ground only. UM and 842 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: I and I'm not counted out. But I'm having so 843 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: much more fun on the ground. It's um, you know, 844 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: rack rattling him in, decoined him in, calling him um, 845 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: just spotting stock, sneaking, you know, crawling up on a 846 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: bed a bettered buck is It's just so much more 847 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: fun than sitting there freasing your tail off. UM. And 848 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: I think that I was one us had more fun too. 849 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: I was killing bigger, better bucks every year doing it. 850 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: And three I I mean, I was just sick of 851 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: sitting in the tree stands, the the the it just 852 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 1: it just became something that I just didn't a tool 853 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: that I just don't use anymore. So I want to 854 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: get I want to get into the nitty gritty of 855 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: of how you actually pull off a hunt like this. 856 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: So I want to get into the actual step by 857 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: step process of finding deer and stalking them down on 858 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: the ground. But before before we get into how you 859 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: actually do that, I've heard you talk about pulling this 860 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: off in places like Kansas or Montana. UM, different planes 861 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: kind of open prairie type habitat doing this ground pound 862 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: for white tails. But do you think that anything you've 863 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: done there and had success, could that be replicated or 864 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: could some of that translate to trying to hunt on 865 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: the ground in somewhere like Iowa or Michigan or Pennsylvania 866 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: in certain circumstances like is there any way that this 867 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: could work somewhere else? Or does this strategies this prairie only. Uh, 868 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: it's a good question. I am not hunted Pennsylvania. I've 869 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: I've killed Michigan deer on the ground, my best Michigan 870 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: buck I killed on the ground. Um, it's very terrained, 871 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a percent terrain dependent. Um. If it's 872 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: open enough where you can see them and either see 873 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: where they're going to or coming from, have them patterned, 874 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: or see them bed, then it's doable. Um. All you 875 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: need is a lack of other eyes from other deer 876 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: to pick you off and to know where their location is. 877 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: And then it's just a manner of putting in you know, 878 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: the variables, lining everything up and in your favor, and 879 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, don't let them see a smelly herriot and 880 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: slide in and get an arrow on them. I mean 881 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: it's I think a lot of guys over think it sometimes. Um, 882 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: But I know I've hunted in Illinois and Iowa and 883 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: a lot of spots where there's the deer just don't 884 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: bed where you are gonna be able to see them. 885 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: So it's in those spots where I've hunted in the 886 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,439 Speaker 1: Midwest most of them it's probably not work. Um. Maybe 887 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: there are some spot out to western I would it 888 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: be better. But where I hunted there, it was you 889 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: know those two were they were you know, buried in 890 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: like a tick where they were sleeping. So um, terrain 891 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: and cover dependent. Yeah, yeah, Okay, So then let's reverb 892 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: though back to what sounds like is your favorite kind 893 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: of area for this kind of thing, which is that 894 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: open ground kind of country? Um? First off, I have 895 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,720 Speaker 1: started hunting some of these states of hunting Nebraska, North Dakota, 896 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: Montana for white tails, and I've fallen in love with 897 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: that great plains habitat and and just everything about it. Um, 898 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: and have loved now taking my favorite game animal and 899 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: chasing it in this different kind of setting. Why is 900 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: it for you that it's so much fun or so 901 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: different or so compelling that from what it sounds like. 902 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: It seems like almost all of your white tail hunting 903 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: now is is out in those kinds of place, or 904 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 1: at least a good part of it. Why is that 905 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: so it means it just the ability to track them 906 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: on the ground, or is there something more to it? 907 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, well, I mean you grew in Michigan, 908 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: you know what it's like there. I mean, we have 909 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: how many hunters in the field and opening Dave, I mean, 910 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: it's a whole lot name on gas right, Like everybody 911 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: meets and outdoors here and we kill a couple hundred 912 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: thousand year a here. Um. You go to Kansas and 913 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: they look at their numbers. They killed fifty thousand and 914 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: sixty thousand a year. That's it. Um. You go out 915 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: there during riful season, you'll see people driving around, you'll 916 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: see orange in the trucks, and you'll see people hunting. 917 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: You go out there and during both season, I know 918 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: exactly who I'm going to see. It's the same guys 919 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: I see every single year down there. They don't know 920 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're really great guys. They try to 921 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: help them out. They don't listen to me. They think 922 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm crazy for not for you know, for not hunting 923 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: in my tree stand on the one tree on my 924 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: property that you know that we hand down there. It's 925 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: like and so part of it is that I've got 926 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. I knock on doors and I 927 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,479 Speaker 1: don't get told no during both seating down there. People 928 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 1: Just it's so that that's a wonderful part of it. Um. 929 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: The the way that the white tails act in those 930 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: open prairie areas to whether it be uh Nebraska, Eastern Montana, Kansas, 931 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: they are very, very very aggressive. And I think it's 932 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 1: just because this is also my theory on why they 933 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: have so many more broken times like I've I don't 934 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,799 Speaker 1: remember last Kansas shot that doesn't have didn't have broken times. 935 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: Now the one I got this year, he broke one 936 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: overnight in the night when I first found him to 937 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: when I found him the next morning and killed him. Um, 938 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: I think that you take two big, aggressive mature bucks 939 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: in the rud in Iowa, there are five yards away 940 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: from each other on the same property, walking in opposite directions, 941 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: parallel with each other. They aren't gonna see each other. 942 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: Most likely, there's too many terrain changes, there's too many 943 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, tricks streams, trees, whatever, it's thick. They can't 944 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: see each other. They're not gonna fight today. You take 945 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: the same two bucks in Kansas, same distance apart. There, 946 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: they see each other and they're gonna close that five 947 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: hund yards and they're gonna square off. And I see 948 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: it happen all the time. I think they fight way 949 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: more out there, and it makes them way more susceptible 950 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: to decoy, more susceptible to rattling and calling. And I mean, 951 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,919 Speaker 1: you you want to talk about excitement. Uh. I think 952 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,879 Speaker 1: it's four years now. I've been using the little heads 953 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,279 Speaker 1: up decoy thing. I stick on the pipe bow and 954 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: there's a little mountain in front of my behind my stabilizer. 955 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: I stick to decoy on that thing. And every single 956 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,879 Speaker 1: year since I started using it in Kansas, it's part 957 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: of the it's part of why and how I killed 958 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: the box. I mean, they see that and they just 959 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: pin their ears back and they don't look at you again. 960 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,280 Speaker 1: They're coming in there and they're gonna come kick your ass. 961 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: I swear to God. The big older bucks see that, 962 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: and they don't. You could you could move around, you 963 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: can shuffle. It's like they don't even they don't even 964 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 1: look again. Their eyes roll back like a moose like 965 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: you see in the movies, and their head starts wobbling 966 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: back and forth, and they just put on a show 967 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 1: and walk great to you. Um, it's and that that 968 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,760 Speaker 1: stuff happens more often than than not. It's that's probably 969 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 1: because I'm turning the biggest ould simature bucks. The younger 970 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,879 Speaker 1: ones would neck that way and the but um, there's 971 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: nothing more exciting than that. So it's it's easy for 972 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 1: me not you know what, My time is valuable, right, 973 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,240 Speaker 1: and so I've got all these different states in tags 974 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,279 Speaker 1: lined up, you know, for me to take time out 975 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,240 Speaker 1: of remember to go hunting Illinois. It's tough anymore because 976 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: going on sitting a tree stand and hope something comes by, 977 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: or you don't want to go to Kansas or you know, 978 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: Nebraska and make something happen. Yeah, I get that. I 979 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: can see the appeal to that for sure. Um, So 980 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk a lot more 981 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: about that whole decoy thing you're doing. But before that, 982 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,399 Speaker 1: I want to I want to rewind a little bit 983 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: and and try to walk through the entire process, and 984 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,399 Speaker 1: then we'll get to the decoin part. When we get 985 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 1: to that in your hunt. But let's let's say we're 986 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: heading out for a hypothetical trip like this, um, or 987 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: how about this. I want to go out and do 988 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: a hunt like this myself this year and for the 989 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: last like five years, I've been heading out west at 990 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: the beginning of September to do a western whitetail hunt 991 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,360 Speaker 1: and um. And I've got a certain way I have 992 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: gone gone about it. But I've always focused on the 993 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: river bottoms. I've never focused on the open country like 994 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: you have. I've I've found a I would always look 995 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,359 Speaker 1: for a piece of public land that has a river 996 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,479 Speaker 1: running through it with a bunch of cotton woods and 997 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, Russian olive cover and stuff like that, something 998 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 1: that's gonna get those deer down into that tight space. 999 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: And then I would observe and then hang tree stands 1000 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: based off what I saw bed defeed patterns and an 1001 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: ambush from in that kind of way. UM. But you 1002 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,399 Speaker 1: seem like you've got a very different way to do it. 1003 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: How do you go about is finding the starting point? 1004 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: Because for me, it's looking online and finding those river 1005 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: bottoms that intercept with public land and that's my starting point. 1006 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: But when you're looking for the kind of place that 1007 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: has your kind of hunting in that kind of white 1008 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: tail experience, what are you looking for to just like 1009 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: figure out where to start when you're scouting maps or whatever. Well, basically, 1010 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's I look for God, you know, 1011 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: it's most of most of my I do a lot 1012 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,359 Speaker 1: of East scouting. I guess you could say, like you're 1013 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: talking there in the mountains, but as far as the 1014 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: Midwest or you know, the plains and stuff. All my 1015 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,520 Speaker 1: all my hunting spots that I hunt now and I 1016 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 1: used now have came from firsthand being there, being in 1017 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 1: the area and just looking on with my you know, 1018 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: boots on the ground um or you know, more often 1019 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: in that area you're sitting up behind the wheel, um 1020 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: and just covering ground and looking and then knocking on doors. 1021 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: I think that you know, obviously they need they need food, 1022 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,240 Speaker 1: and you know, there's never a problem with you food. 1023 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,880 Speaker 1: There's usually not a problem with water. The most of 1024 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 1: the good luck that I have this type of hunting 1025 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,959 Speaker 1: is in November, so at that point the bucks aren't 1026 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: thinking about food anyways. Um So, if you can find 1027 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 1: the doors, there's most likely going to be bucks around. Um, 1028 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: and that's and that's basically it. And then it's just 1029 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: a matter of you know, you all listen seeing in 1030 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: Kansas knocking on doors to me getting as much acquiring 1031 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: as much permission as possible. And a lot of that 1032 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: land that I have permission to hunt on is open 1033 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: to anybody that asks. I mean, it's not it's not 1034 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,879 Speaker 1: like I have sole permission on it. Um. They'll say 1035 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: yes to just about anybody, as long as you know 1036 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 1: you promised to close gates and don't leave any trash 1037 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: and don't drive over their fields. It's there's just it's 1038 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: just as quite as much as you can look for 1039 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: those and keep watching those groups, and eventually a buck 1040 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,160 Speaker 1: will show up. And it's it's really it's a lot 1041 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: simpler to me, it's a lot simpler than than uh. 1042 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,359 Speaker 1: And then there's less variables than them when you're hunting 1043 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: in the mountains. Um, it's just a matter of, uh, 1044 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 1: just gotta just gotta find the doves. Okay, that that 1045 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 1: makes sense. I like that. Let's say then that we 1046 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: or I I'm gonna keep my hypothetical me into this. Um, 1047 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: I decided that I'm going to try this kind of hunting. 1048 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: I found an area in eastern Montana or North Dakota 1049 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: or South Dakota, or Kansas or Nebraska. I found some stuff. 1050 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: It's got some big, open grassy hills. There's some river bottom. 1051 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,280 Speaker 1: There's a few little ponds there, a little bit of everything. 1052 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: It looks kind of good. And either I've got a 1053 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: bunch of free permission, or there's public land and a 1054 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 1: bunch of it that I can roam. Now I'm heading 1055 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,800 Speaker 1: out there, and I arrive, and you're with me, and 1056 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 1: you're my You're my guide telling me what we should do, 1057 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 1: how we should start hunting, or how we start scouting. 1058 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: We just arrive, walk me through what we're doing next. 1059 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,000 Speaker 1: Are we gonna spend the first morning, first night scouting, 1060 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,160 Speaker 1: or or just just walk me through what you're gonna say. 1061 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. Let's imagine it's mid day, uh, 1062 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: and what would what we do is drive around and 1063 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: find all the high points and whether it be the 1064 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 1: farmer's burn, if he has a ladder that goes up 1065 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 1: the side of it, or a silo, or maybe an 1066 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: oil well or an oil retainer retainer um or maybe 1067 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: just a hill, and those could be all the spots 1068 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: that we're gonna cover the last two hours in the 1069 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: first two hours of every day, and we're gonna sit 1070 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: up there and we're gonna glass and we're gonna we're 1071 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 1: gonna rush from one spot the next we're gonna be 1072 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,799 Speaker 1: at one of them. Uh. You know, if there's one 1073 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 1: of those spots, maybe there's maybe there's one of those 1074 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,759 Speaker 1: that you there's a potential for bucks for dear to 1075 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 1: be all the way around at three year and sixty degrees. 1076 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: We're not I try to get to that one first 1077 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: thing in the morning because we're gonna be bumping deer. 1078 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna save that one until it is after it's 1079 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: daylight and we can kind of slide in from one 1080 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: way or the other. But um, we'll want to be 1081 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: at one of them at first at daylight, and then 1082 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of covering ground and find them. Uh. 1083 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: One of the things that we realized we were doing 1084 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 1: wrong in Kansas, uh right away. It took us a 1085 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: year to figured out, but we were doing it wrong 1086 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,920 Speaker 1: right away. And what has what I mean was the 1087 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: old mentality of get into your trees, stand or you're 1088 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 1: blind or whatever, you know, a half hour sometimes an 1089 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 1: hour before be like heck. I remember sleeping in a 1090 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,640 Speaker 1: stand in Illinois all night long because I couldn't figure out. 1091 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how to get into the stand 1092 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,439 Speaker 1: at night or in the morning. And I literally took 1093 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: a sleeping bag and I went in at night in 1094 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: the afternoon and hunted it and then I stayed up 1095 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: there and because I didn't know how to get in 1096 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: there in in the morning, and did you kill kill 1097 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,000 Speaker 1: About the next day with that devotion, I pushed him 1098 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 1: of the next guy and he the next property over 1099 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 1: and he killed him. That was part of my young 1100 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,640 Speaker 1: and dumb They haired ears. But so we were literally 1101 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean bumping deer, just moving to our you know, 1102 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: our spots and unless you have and I think that's 1103 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: one of the I think that's one of the biggest 1104 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: mistakes that are the hardest things to overcome for Midwestern hunters, 1105 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: getting too in from your stands without being seen. And 1106 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,560 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most broken you know, 1107 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: like rules of like you can't let that happen, and 1108 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: guys do every single time. But that was what we 1109 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: were doing out there. We were moving in in the 1110 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 1: dark and then we'd see dear you know, prequeerters a 1111 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: mile off whatever looking back at us when one daylight 1112 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: finally broke. I think that once we realized that and 1113 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: we started waiting. I mean, there's there's mornings I'm sitting 1114 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 1: in my truck until it's daylight, trucks off and just 1115 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 1: sitting there waiting, and and then I'll move up to 1116 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,440 Speaker 1: my glass knob because there could be something in between. 1117 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,440 Speaker 1: And as there is, he might bound over, Your might 1118 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: bound over and then blow the ones out that you 1119 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: know that I'd be seen once I get up to 1120 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: the glass job. It's just not it's not worth the 1121 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: risk you gotta, you know, taking care of all the 1122 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,479 Speaker 1: variables and getting all that, all the little things squared away. 1123 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: That's not not one I'm willing to compromise on. It's 1124 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: how how much? So so back to the getting your 1125 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,720 Speaker 1: glass and knobs? How much time will you spend in 1126 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 1: each spot before you say, okay, it's time to move 1127 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: on to the next one if you haven't found a 1128 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 1: buck you're interested in. So that's question number one, And 1129 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: then question number two is how many chances will you 1130 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,640 Speaker 1: give a spot? Because I've debated this a lot myself, right, 1131 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: I've got a handful of different locations, and I I'll 1132 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: go the one night and check nothing. I'll go back 1133 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: the next morning. Nothing that I'm thinking, do I just 1134 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: cross it off or do I have to keep coming back? Um? 1135 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: How much time per and then how many different times 1136 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: will you go back and look? Well, this is if 1137 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: we're doing it in November, I think you're gonna you're 1138 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,120 Speaker 1: gonna have already a handle on or you're if you don't, 1139 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: you're going to figure out real quick how how the 1140 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 1: ruts are doing in your area. And you're gonna know 1141 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: pretty quick when you get their few see does and 1142 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: they're up feeding. There's no buck with him. He's not there. 1143 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's maybe he's just tired, dead tired, 1144 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: and he's you know, laying over and cut stubble. You 1145 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,040 Speaker 1: just can't haven't picked him out yet. But I don't 1146 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: give it too long. I mean, as soon as I 1147 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: have everything, you know, tree and sixty degree you know, 1148 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 1: sweep of what I can see. If I've covered everything, 1149 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm moving to the next spot because I've got a 1150 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: bunch of spots to glass and I've got a lot 1151 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: of you know, you know, if I can if I 1152 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,520 Speaker 1: can glass ten less more, that's better than five. It's 1153 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,080 Speaker 1: better than I think I should. I say that it's 1154 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: better to quickly yet thoroughly glass ten spots. Then is 1155 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 1: really just pick apart five? Um? Now that's only I'm 1156 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: always saying that because it's during the run. Now, if 1157 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 1: this was October, be a completely different game. If it 1158 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 1: were in the mountains where you know you're picking apart, uh, 1159 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, and in thicker terrain, it's when they're gonna 1160 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: be betted. It's completely different game. But right, you know, 1161 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: in November active. You know, sometimes I don't think those guys, 1162 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,440 Speaker 1: those bucks don't don't lay down for days on end. 1163 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,360 Speaker 1: All they're doing is you know, keep trying to keep 1164 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 1: his dough or get a new one or whatever. And 1165 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: I think it, you know, if you're in the right spot, 1166 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna know it. Now how many times I keep 1167 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: coming back, uh boy? And definitely I've literally there's there's 1168 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: spots that I stopped in glass just because it's I 1169 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 1: can see so much from it. Uh And I've probably 1170 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,480 Speaker 1: never made a stop from that spot. And they've probably 1171 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,480 Speaker 1: got dozens of those spots. Um, but every year one 1172 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: of them, you know, like one new spot of like, oh, 1173 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: we got something here, and then you know, and then 1174 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 1: you have you moved to a different spot where you 1175 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: got a better angle on them, and you know, you 1176 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: just try to keep your eyes on them until until 1177 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:02,680 Speaker 1: they either you know, bed or start feeding or whatever. 1178 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Slowdown once once once say how you know? How would 1179 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: you say it make themselves vulnerable, vulnerable to a play 1180 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,160 Speaker 1: of some sort. But I heard you once talking about 1181 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: how one of the biggest challenges of this part of 1182 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: your strategy is just trying to get elevated enough to 1183 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: be able to get hanggled down. And and you kind 1184 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of jokingly said that you wanted to someday mount a 1185 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: ladder to the top of your truck topper you can 1186 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: get up there and look, have you ever did you 1187 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: ever actually do that? Or do you ever have any 1188 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: other good tricks for getting a better advantage? Uh? I 1189 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,360 Speaker 1: have not mountled the ladder. Um. I've stood on the 1190 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: top of my truck a lot. Um. Anybody that buys 1191 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: used truck for me, Uh, hopefully hasn't looked up on 1192 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,360 Speaker 1: top because there's probably some scratches on top of the 1193 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: cab the cab. But um, and sometimes that's all you need. 1194 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,400 Speaker 1: I mean, but when I'm saying in these high points 1195 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: and stuff, I mean a lot of them erely you know, 1196 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: twenty difference, but just a gentle rolling hill if you 1197 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 1: and you might have be two miles away from where 1198 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: you think that you are going to be, but it 1199 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: would be two miles away to the high point. So 1200 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not always close proximity either. So you've gotta 1201 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: have good glass. But I think that just getting creative 1202 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: with your with your advantage points. Um. I haven't went 1203 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,200 Speaker 1: as far as to knock on a door, not for 1204 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 1: permission to hunt their property, but just maybe to climb 1205 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: their burn but I've thought about it. There are a 1206 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 1: couple of spots where that I know that you know 1207 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,920 Speaker 1: without X, you can tell they don't know much property. 1208 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,479 Speaker 1: They they only got five ten acres. There's there's really 1209 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,560 Speaker 1: no no honey on there. There there's no good there's 1210 01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,440 Speaker 1: not gonna be any good honey on their property. But 1211 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 1: they've got a gorgeous burns thirty ft high in the 1212 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,160 Speaker 1: back behind their house. And if I could get on 1213 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: top of that thing and I'd be able to see everything. 1214 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,640 Speaker 1: So maybe one of these years I'm gonna stop that 1215 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 1: place and ask him. But that's that's the way my 1216 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,720 Speaker 1: mind works on him. Out there, I'm looking for for anything, 1217 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: and I've climbed silos. Um. But I'm also someone that's 1218 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,560 Speaker 1: not afraid to hide, you know, with my to work. Um. Um, 1219 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,479 Speaker 1: you know that's uncomfortable up there, So it's yeah, that's 1220 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: it's everything down there because it's pretty flat. It all 1221 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: comes down to getting eyes on them. Now. One of 1222 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 1: the things that I a big paradigm shift, I guess 1223 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 1: for me when it came to glassing and finding game 1224 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,520 Speaker 1: was realizing how much it helps to use a tripod 1225 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,440 Speaker 1: with your binos. I never used to do that, and um, 1226 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: a friend finally just showed me what a difference it made, 1227 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 1: And now I'll never go out in this kind of 1228 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: hunt without that. Um. Is that something that helps you? 1229 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 1: Is there are there any other tips or piece of 1230 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,720 Speaker 1: gear or anything else that's led you to become a 1231 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 1: more effective scouting with the glass kind of guy? No, 1232 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,640 Speaker 1: that you nailed it right there. Good glass, good tripod, 1233 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,280 Speaker 1: A tripod that can like for the type of honey 1234 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 1: that we're talking about. I like a full hight one 1235 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,080 Speaker 1: so I don't have to I don't have to sit 1236 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 1: down on the ground like you know, there's no sense 1237 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 1: to find the high spot and then sitting down. Um, 1238 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 1: So I literally will run to these these high spots 1239 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,000 Speaker 1: and then most of the time I'm not I'm not 1240 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,120 Speaker 1: even taking time to sit, and I'm you know, I'm 1241 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,600 Speaker 1: standing up and I'm you know, I've got a full 1242 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, six ft tall tripod or whatever, you know, 1243 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,200 Speaker 1: and it's I want something that I can the binals on. 1244 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,080 Speaker 1: And that is uh. Yeah. People who haven't done it 1245 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 1: don't understand. Maybe they've kind of take for grantum overseeing 1246 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,200 Speaker 1: like is like how I just over talking that because 1247 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to still a product or something. It is huge. 1248 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,320 Speaker 1: The difference between handling the paramin aculars and looking through 1249 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 1: them sitting on a drypod is huge. You will find 1250 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,800 Speaker 1: so many more animals, um, but get as good as 1251 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: glass as you can. Um, And uh, it's you know, 1252 01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: the good good glass isn't isn't cheap, so it's it's investment. 1253 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:06,480 Speaker 1: But that that is as far as we're finding animals. Yeah, 1254 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,960 Speaker 1: ONEX on your phone is a must, or your similar 1255 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: product for land mapping software, good glass, good boots, good 1256 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,960 Speaker 1: tires on your truck. Um, I don't know how many 1257 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: flats I've had over the years, and uh, yeah, there's 1258 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,880 Speaker 1: it's it's all simple stuff that goes wrong. But usually 1259 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: but it's the it's the that's simple stuff that will 1260 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: screw up everything when it's you don't have it either. 1261 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,600 Speaker 1: All right, So we've been here on the ground and 1262 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 1: wherever we're at. We're in Nebraska, we'll say, and we've 1263 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,720 Speaker 1: been looking and maybe evening number two we finally spot well, actually, 1264 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,680 Speaker 1: before we even say that, tell me this, do you 1265 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: And I think I already know the answer. But if 1266 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you spot a shooter whatever that is for you on 1267 01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,120 Speaker 1: this given hunt, Um, are you gonna go and and 1268 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 1: change your position or try to make a move or 1269 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: will you see a shooter? But think to yourself, Man, 1270 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how I can make a plan on 1271 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,840 Speaker 1: him right now. So instead of keeping eyes on him, 1272 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to move to this other area and check 1273 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,440 Speaker 1: and see if there's a hontable buck there or is 1274 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: it Once you see a shooter buck like, you're staying 1275 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 1: on him until it's dark or until he makes a mistake. 1276 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: What's your thought process there? When I see something that 1277 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:31,800 Speaker 1: is in the terms of you know, gets my blood 1278 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,840 Speaker 1: going and it's something that my my brain says, this 1279 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,760 Speaker 1: is when we be very very happy with all my 1280 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:44,919 Speaker 1: focuses on him. Um, And things happen when you put 1281 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:51,439 Speaker 1: yourself in the best available Uh what's what's we're looking 1282 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:58,840 Speaker 1: for the best available proximity. So say he's out in 1283 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: a big, wide open flat. He's got you know, two 1284 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,640 Speaker 1: or three doors with him, and there's another a couple 1285 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,200 Speaker 1: of satellite bucks you're trying to move in, and they're 1286 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,840 Speaker 1: all kind of spread out around him, and there's just 1287 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: no way in. Um, and you're half mile away on 1288 01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,120 Speaker 1: you know a little bit of a rise where you 1289 01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,640 Speaker 1: can just see over and there. Well, maybe you can't 1290 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,400 Speaker 1: get all the way to him, but maybe you can 1291 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,599 Speaker 1: circle down and get the wind where it's quartering. Uh. 1292 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Maybe not right straight down wind, because that's I can't 1293 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,759 Speaker 1: stand being right straight down one of them, because that's 1294 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,160 Speaker 1: where they always expecting her to come from. But maybe 1295 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: get on that quartering side of them and then just 1296 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,160 Speaker 1: get as close as you can and then see what happens. Um, 1297 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Maybe they'll move, Maybe they'll move right to you. I've 1298 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,800 Speaker 1: literally had him as walked up to me like I'm 1299 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,840 Speaker 1: just dumb lucked Um, maybe one of those little bucks 1300 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: will come in there and challenge them, and he'll run 1301 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,520 Speaker 1: and chase him off, and they'll run right past. Yet, um, 1302 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,920 Speaker 1: so I get as close as I can without being detected. 1303 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,320 Speaker 1: And sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes you get stark and 1304 01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,240 Speaker 1: you gotta sneak back out and start over the next day. 1305 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: But I yeah, if I find something I want to 1306 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be happy with, I put my arrow 1307 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,760 Speaker 1: through or both through. It's my focus is on him, 1308 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,519 Speaker 1: and um, even even if it's not a like slam 1309 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,720 Speaker 1: dunk opportunity, like oh my god, he's bedded right there, 1310 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,280 Speaker 1: and so I can just walk up that little crick bottom, 1311 01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,320 Speaker 1: pop out of the top, sneak over there and just 1312 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: slam dunk shot. I will still get his you know, 1313 01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,240 Speaker 1: put his meat variables in my favor, get as close 1314 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,600 Speaker 1: as I can, or at least in the position the 1315 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,840 Speaker 1: best position I think I can be in, and then 1316 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: just wait him out. So you're saying, even if even 1317 01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 1: if he's moving, even if he's covering ground, you're not 1318 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,599 Speaker 1: gonna stay in your spot and watching watch and watch 1319 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,639 Speaker 1: to see where he beds or ends up. You'd rather 1320 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,599 Speaker 1: just get after him. Once you spot him and if 1321 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,960 Speaker 1: he's moving, if he's moving, I'm gonna try to keep 1322 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,920 Speaker 1: my eyes on him. Um no, I'm sorry, I was 1323 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,320 Speaker 1: thinking I was seen in my head like you're kind 1324 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,000 Speaker 1: of just feed in an area, or if they're moving, 1325 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,560 Speaker 1: he's moving, and if it's morning, I'm expecting him to 1326 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,760 Speaker 1: to bed soon, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my eyes 1327 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 1: on that. That's how I killed my bot this last year. 1328 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,439 Speaker 1: I mean I found him ready at daylight and he 1329 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: moved and I had I had to take my eyes 1330 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: off me because he went over the you know, I 1331 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,320 Speaker 1: just could not see him from from the side of 1332 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: the country mile you know, square section that was on. 1333 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,559 Speaker 1: I had to drive all the way around the other 1334 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,120 Speaker 1: side and find a new high spot and then we 1335 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:24,760 Speaker 1: pick him up and thank god, he was still on 1336 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,000 Speaker 1: his speed. But yeah, it's it's do whatever you can 1337 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,360 Speaker 1: to keep your eyes on him too, to find find 1338 01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: ready beds. Okay, so watch them until he stops for 1339 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,040 Speaker 1: a long time or beds, and then you make your move. 1340 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Um what then, like what is going? And I know 1341 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,280 Speaker 1: this is very situation dependent. Every situation is a little different, 1342 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,960 Speaker 1: but just kind of generically, what are the what's the 1343 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,439 Speaker 1: checklist of things or the handful of things that are 1344 01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,559 Speaker 1: going through your mind as you you packed up your 1345 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,559 Speaker 1: tripod and your buy nose or your spot and scope 1346 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,559 Speaker 1: and say, okay, I'm going for it. What are the 1347 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,760 Speaker 1: next steps? The next thing you're thinking in your mind 1348 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,240 Speaker 1: as you figure out how you're gonna get closer, how 1349 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,000 Speaker 1: are you going to make your stock? So on a 1350 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,160 Speaker 1: white tail in this situation, if I if I've watched him, 1351 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm he's betted student, he's betted, and he's got a 1352 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 1: doll with him. Most likely, um, not very often you're 1353 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,680 Speaker 1: gonna find a mature about Uh. He's not one that 1354 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna want to kill in this area you're in, 1355 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, in the Midwest in November alone. So he's 1356 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,840 Speaker 1: gonna have a dough with them. They're gonna they're gonna 1357 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: bed somewhere where they think they have the advantage of 1358 01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 1: the wind and their site. Um, in these areas where 1359 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,439 Speaker 1: it's a little more open, the wind is your friend. Uh, 1360 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,639 Speaker 1: not just from keeping your scent away, but for noise too. 1361 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,679 Speaker 1: They don't really, they don't rely on their ears nearly 1362 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: as much as uh, you know, a more of a Midwest, 1363 01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,519 Speaker 1: a thicker traditional Midwest white tail. That's uh soys wind 1364 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: you're there and lots of dry brush, always just clanking together. 1365 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,200 Speaker 1: But they'll bed somewhere where they can see. They rely 1366 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,000 Speaker 1: on their eyes more and then obviously they use their 1367 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: nose just as much as any way till uh so. 1368 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,320 Speaker 1: So I say I've got them bedded uh you on 1369 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: a fence line or something, whereas tumbled the Tumbleweedsy're all 1370 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,680 Speaker 1: piled up, and those those things will get like ten 1371 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,760 Speaker 1: ft high piles of tumbleweeds and they will bed RADI 1372 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:31,640 Speaker 1: inside them sometimes um but wind break two. But so 1373 01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,559 Speaker 1: find out where they're betted move in and at that 1374 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,760 Speaker 1: point I'm not I'm gonna I'm gonna ditch the dry 1375 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,880 Speaker 1: the tripod in the glass. All I'm moving in with 1376 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: is a range finder, binoculars or a range finder, my 1377 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,360 Speaker 1: bow in her gun, mostly most times as a bow hunt, though, 1378 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,360 Speaker 1: and I'll probably take my railian handlers and I'll have 1379 01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 1: that decoy am out of the front of my bow. 1380 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I'll also take a little steak for that decoy too, 1381 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,639 Speaker 1: so I can stick it out by itself in the ground, 1382 01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,320 Speaker 1: but it mounts to my bow and I can shoot 1383 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,160 Speaker 1: the bow with it on there and it doesn't hinder 1384 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,080 Speaker 1: it at all unless it's windy. Um, And I'll move 1385 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,240 Speaker 1: in from a quartering angle. I don't want to be 1386 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 1: straight now wind. I don't want to be you know 1387 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna be looking down wind, so I 1388 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,559 Speaker 1: want to be I want to be to the point 1389 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,040 Speaker 1: where the wind is almost wrong. Um. Another thing you 1390 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,759 Speaker 1: tend to get out in the planes is more consistent winds. 1391 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,439 Speaker 1: You don't have is made. You know, you don't have 1392 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,519 Speaker 1: his made trees or you know, all these things that 1393 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,080 Speaker 1: black wind and makes swirling winds just aren't there. No, 1394 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,840 Speaker 1: you still get ridges and bottoms and stuff that you know, 1395 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,120 Speaker 1: like low low and high spots that create uh eddies 1396 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,719 Speaker 1: and the air currents, and that can mess up your wind. 1397 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,200 Speaker 1: But most of the time you get a much more 1398 01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,599 Speaker 1: consistent wind you would in other places. So you can 1399 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,960 Speaker 1: risk that, you can put yourself in a risk your 1400 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,280 Speaker 1: position than you could in other areas because you know 1401 01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:02,640 Speaker 1: that you know your winds only twenty degrees awesome offered him, 1402 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,599 Speaker 1: which might only be like twenty yards if he stood 1403 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,639 Speaker 1: up in twenty yards are right, he smells, but he's 1404 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,599 Speaker 1: not going to and if he doesn't get up, you're 1405 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,080 Speaker 1: gonna shoot him because you're gonna be inside his own 1406 01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,320 Speaker 1: by that point. And then I'll just move in as 1407 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,760 Speaker 1: quickly as I can before they get up, because as 1408 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,599 Speaker 1: you know, as I said, they fight so much more 1409 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,880 Speaker 1: down there. If you've got a hot dog, which if 1410 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,960 Speaker 1: you find him a tour buck, he's probably gonna you know, 1411 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,639 Speaker 1: he's almost always got a hot dog, because he's he's 1412 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 1: the man, right, He's the one that's out there kicking 1413 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,360 Speaker 1: all the ard years asked, and he's the one that's like, 1414 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,320 Speaker 1: all right, he's that still is mine. But he's always 1415 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,360 Speaker 1: gonna have challengers around, and they're gonna come up and 1416 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,559 Speaker 1: they're gonna constantly be bugging him. So it's not uncommon 1417 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,639 Speaker 1: for him to be getting up every minutes and having 1418 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,679 Speaker 1: to run off a little buck, which is a great 1419 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,840 Speaker 1: time for for you. Or two, if you're hopefully already 1420 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,200 Speaker 1: in position within your you know, effective lethal range with 1421 01:14:53,200 --> 01:15:00,679 Speaker 1: your weapon. Two, show him your decoy and that usually 1422 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,519 Speaker 1: doesn't take much and just flashing that deep, you know, 1423 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,000 Speaker 1: holding your bow up. He sees it and his he'll 1424 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 1: usually look at you, look at the r buck, pin 1425 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,240 Speaker 1: his ears back and just come over like almost like 1426 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,720 Speaker 1: he's trying to make you know, loud racket with his 1427 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,360 Speaker 1: with his front paws as he slams him in the dirt, 1428 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, just clanking his way over to you. Um, 1429 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,599 Speaker 1: if there's no other bucks to keep keep getting them up, 1430 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,360 Speaker 1: you can. I've stayed out you yards and tickle the anlers, 1431 01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,679 Speaker 1: you know, railon anilers together to kind of like pique 1432 01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,240 Speaker 1: his interest. And then as soon as you know, he 1433 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,880 Speaker 1: picks his head up, you know, he sees the decoy, 1434 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,679 Speaker 1: and you know again they come in. Um. It doesn't 1435 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: always work that way, but with the older monitor box, yeah, 1436 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,840 Speaker 1: if they see that decoy, they're coming in. And yeah, 1437 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: and I'll be honest with you, in a perfect world, 1438 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't care if he sees that decoy. I just 1439 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,160 Speaker 1: want to get him killed, right, So the decoy is 1440 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of my out if I can, if I can, 1441 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,519 Speaker 1: if he beds the spot where I can sneak up 1442 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,360 Speaker 1: and shoot them without ever seeing me or me ever 1443 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,680 Speaker 1: making a noise, that's that's the main goal. But that 1444 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:12,000 Speaker 1: hardly ever happens. Um without without varying how would you say, 1445 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:17,040 Speaker 1: elevation changes in the terrain, It's hard to do a 1446 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,240 Speaker 1: traditional spot and stock where you literally can get you know, 1447 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,519 Speaker 1: a height advantage where you can shoot them in their 1448 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,760 Speaker 1: beds most time in these in these plain states, you 1449 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: need them to stand up and make the next move, 1450 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I should say the last move, um for it to happen. 1451 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,599 Speaker 1: And that's that's the usually way it goes down. Can 1452 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,519 Speaker 1: you can you describe a little bit for people that 1453 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,519 Speaker 1: aren't familiar, um, this heads up decoy that you're using, 1454 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,479 Speaker 1: and how exactly that works? And then and then once 1455 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,840 Speaker 1: you describe on the basics, you know, I'm curious about 1456 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,760 Speaker 1: a little more detail of how you're using it, Like 1457 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,360 Speaker 1: if you have to cover a hundred yards or maybe 1458 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,439 Speaker 1: it's a fifty yard stretch of open ground to the 1459 01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,479 Speaker 1: next pat to cover, you could hunker down and and 1460 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,679 Speaker 1: this the deer going to see you. Will you consider 1461 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,120 Speaker 1: sprinting across that with the decoy in front of you? Um? 1462 01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,400 Speaker 1: Or or is it much more conservative uses? I'm guessing 1463 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: give me the give me the basis of what it is, 1464 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,920 Speaker 1: and then describe some situations where you will use it 1465 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,120 Speaker 1: and how Yeah, what's It's not a full deer silhouette. 1466 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,040 Speaker 1: It is just a basically like a you know, like 1467 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,320 Speaker 1: like the old school neck mounts, Like everybody gets shoulder 1468 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,160 Speaker 1: mount now of a deer on the wall, but you remember, 1469 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,360 Speaker 1: like seeing months before it was just like a neck mount. 1470 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,800 Speaker 1: Telling like that was kind of weird that half the 1471 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,960 Speaker 1: mounts gone. That's about all it is. So it's like 1472 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,880 Speaker 1: it's not real tall, it's not real big. I mean 1473 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,960 Speaker 1: usually I'm in a kneeling, crouched position. When when when 1474 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm you know, ready for the deer to be when 1475 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,519 Speaker 1: I should say when I'm ready to the deer to 1476 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,960 Speaker 1: see me, you know, so they technically they can see 1477 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,519 Speaker 1: part of my legs, my shoulders, but they just seem 1478 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,880 Speaker 1: to look right through me. Um. I wouldn't go as 1479 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,599 Speaker 1: ours to say i'd feel safe, you know, just stand 1480 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,439 Speaker 1: up covering ground. I have used it, uh As I 1481 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,760 Speaker 1: was sneaking up on a buck face in the opposite way, 1482 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:10,760 Speaker 1: and as soon as he'd like start moving his head 1483 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 1: and I just I just hunger down, told it in 1484 01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,439 Speaker 1: front of me, and he would just kind of like 1485 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,360 Speaker 1: look over and look away. But he never did catch 1486 01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:22,960 Speaker 1: me moving. Um. But I was also being very careful. 1487 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,439 Speaker 1: I wasn't uh you know, And that was the last 1488 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,360 Speaker 1: that was moving him for a second shot after a 1489 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 1: bad first shot, So that was there situation. But I 1490 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't say I routinely trusted to cover my my motion. 1491 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,240 Speaker 1: It's not real big but that. But the heads up 1492 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,599 Speaker 1: decoy is pretty pretty awesome. It's got a and it's 1493 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,080 Speaker 1: not just white to lay off for him for all 1494 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,160 Speaker 1: different animals. Um, the meal every one works great too. Um. 1495 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:53,720 Speaker 1: The turkey one works amazing. But excuse me. It has 1496 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,479 Speaker 1: a carbon rod in the bottom of it that slides 1497 01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,960 Speaker 1: into a sleeve that amounts right in front of your 1498 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:04,640 Speaker 1: stabilizer pole. And it doesn't weigh hardly anything. Um. The 1499 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,960 Speaker 1: antlers are foam and they can you can take them 1500 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,639 Speaker 1: off and they slybrate inside the body of the decoy, 1501 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,240 Speaker 1: which is like a thin clock material. Um, it doesn't wait. 1502 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,200 Speaker 1: You can toss right in your backpack. You can hold it, 1503 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you're hunt with a buddy, he can 1504 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,360 Speaker 1: literally just hold him with his hand. Um. And then 1505 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: so there's a ground steak to the It's it's pretty simple. 1506 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:30,480 Speaker 1: It's pretty ingenious. Um. You know you're basically shooting. Uh, 1507 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,400 Speaker 1: it's just to the side of your bow. The only 1508 01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:39,519 Speaker 1: downside to it is the wind if it's if it's windy. Uh, 1509 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,679 Speaker 1: I would. That's when I keep that little ground steak, 1510 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,680 Speaker 1: which I think they you know, they made it for 1511 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,680 Speaker 1: tricky hunting, so you get pick that thing out in 1512 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:51,160 Speaker 1: front of you with the turkey silhouette there. But I 1513 01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,439 Speaker 1: use it for white tails and Meally's too, because it's 1514 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 1: when it's windy. It's just if it's really windy. You know, 1515 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: you don't want that. It's like having a sail on 1516 01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:03,240 Speaker 1: your bow. So you've got this, You've got a mount 1517 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,080 Speaker 1: into your boat and you can use it in the 1518 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: scenario like you describe where you'll flash it once and 1519 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,160 Speaker 1: then the deal will come in. Um Uh, will you 1520 01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,000 Speaker 1: I think maybe you mentioned this or maybe I heard 1521 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,960 Speaker 1: you say it before, but will you also use it 1522 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,759 Speaker 1: as you know, just like someone might use a big 1523 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,160 Speaker 1: decoy when sitting in a tree stand. You'll have it 1524 01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,200 Speaker 1: and you'll see a deer way off from the distance, 1525 01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,760 Speaker 1: and then you'll start rattling or calling, and then once 1526 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,880 Speaker 1: he looks in your direction, then you flash it and 1527 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,240 Speaker 1: then he sees the second part of the equation that 1528 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,639 Speaker 1: makes him think, Okay, yeah, there's definitely something going on there. 1529 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,360 Speaker 1: Um and do you keep it up the whole way 1530 01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,200 Speaker 1: until they come in? Or will you flash it and 1531 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: put it down and then prepare for the shot. Um, 1532 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,599 Speaker 1: it sounds like you can shoot with it mount into 1533 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,080 Speaker 1: your boat, right, Oh absolutely, yep. You know it's uh 1534 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,360 Speaker 1: most of the time is attached to the boat or 1535 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:54,240 Speaker 1: in a ground stake. I'm not I'm not really going 1536 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,320 Speaker 1: back and forth with that up and down. I will. 1537 01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,400 Speaker 1: I think just that having a little bit of move movement. Um. 1538 01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's weird. You think that they would 1539 01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,360 Speaker 1: see the bow attatched to it, but they just look 1540 01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,000 Speaker 1: right through you and the bow and you can just 1541 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, I've had I've rattled and Bucks said he 1542 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,920 Speaker 1: had no interest in killing m hm. And they're ys 1543 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,519 Speaker 1: from me, staring at the decoy. There's I'm like kneeling 1544 01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,120 Speaker 1: in grass. It's like, you know, a foottop foot high. 1545 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,960 Speaker 1: They came in from behind me, so I'm completely you know, 1546 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,559 Speaker 1: there's nothing I don't even hide behind. And he's looked 1547 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,720 Speaker 1: at that thing, and I just rocked the bow back 1548 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,400 Speaker 1: and forth in the decoy and he just you could 1549 01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:34,920 Speaker 1: just see the hair pop up on there on the 1550 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,479 Speaker 1: back of his neck and he just comes a little closer. 1551 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,400 Speaker 1: It's like, but this thing is only you know, three 1552 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,240 Speaker 1: ft tall, and the decoy and here I am, you know, hunter, 1553 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,120 Speaker 1: an a pound guy with a backpack and the bows 1554 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,240 Speaker 1: and he they can't even They just for bucks on 1555 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: the rut. I mean they just look right through you. Yeah. 1556 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,160 Speaker 1: And that's and the and and and that's why I 1557 01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,799 Speaker 1: don't hunt try stands anymore. That's gonna be pretty intense. 1558 01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,719 Speaker 1: I I'm tempted to jump right to how you handle 1559 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,479 Speaker 1: the next moment, but I want to rewind just a 1560 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,840 Speaker 1: little bit because I want to dive a little bit 1561 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,880 Speaker 1: further into the stock um. Is there anything else that 1562 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,519 Speaker 1: you do or that you're thinking about two uh, to 1563 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,679 Speaker 1: have a more successful stock into that range? Any tips 1564 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,559 Speaker 1: for being quiet or or things other than we talked 1565 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,200 Speaker 1: about the wind um, But are there any other little 1566 01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,439 Speaker 1: things that you do to help close the distance or 1567 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: to get that final ten yards closer for the shot, 1568 01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,439 Speaker 1: or anything else is on your mind when it comes 1569 01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:42,120 Speaker 1: to pulling that part off without the decoy involved. There's 1570 01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,120 Speaker 1: probably things that I'm just taking for granted that everybody knows. 1571 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:52,280 Speaker 1: But it's you know, one thing about the planes, they're 1572 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,120 Speaker 1: they're a little cactus and birds everywhere. Make sure you 1573 01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,360 Speaker 1: have some good um you know, pants with protective knee 1574 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:03,720 Speaker 1: protective knee kneepads are not a bad idea. Um. The 1575 01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:08,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna get, you're gonna get just filthy crawling and 1576 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,640 Speaker 1: through this, you know. I mean, if you've got our 1577 01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,479 Speaker 1: handheld the release or wrist or wrist release, I would 1578 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,320 Speaker 1: suggest tucking that thing inside your sleeves, having make sure 1579 01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,639 Speaker 1: you have sleeves that you can typen up around your wrists, 1580 01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,639 Speaker 1: because like crawling across the dry, dusty or or muddy 1581 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,840 Speaker 1: wet field you are, I mean, the last thing you 1582 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,200 Speaker 1: want is to get up there and you finally you 1583 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,040 Speaker 1: got within range. He stands up and you go to 1584 01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,559 Speaker 1: you know, clip your release on your loop, and it's 1585 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,439 Speaker 1: just cape full of dust and rocks and it won't 1586 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,960 Speaker 1: you won't function, Um the terrain. It's funny. I bet 1587 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,839 Speaker 1: I put my equipment for there is a much abuse 1588 01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:52,400 Speaker 1: hunting that way as I do hunt in the mountains. Um, 1589 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:59,679 Speaker 1: it's just crawling around and that stuff is can ters. 1590 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,560 Speaker 1: Are you up? But um yeah, I think that you 1591 01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,040 Speaker 1: really would make this make or break the stock um 1592 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:13,560 Speaker 1: copal shoes that you know I stopped using maybe the 1593 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,080 Speaker 1: traditional hunting boots a long time ago. Um, back when 1594 01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,920 Speaker 1: I was just hunting the Midwest. You know, I lived 1595 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,400 Speaker 1: in a parallel across uh rubber boots all year long, 1596 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,640 Speaker 1: and I still love them. I still have them, but 1597 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't get to use them as much anymore. You know, 1598 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm using you know, whether I'm into mountains or 1599 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,160 Speaker 1: on the plains, I'm usually using a almost like a 1600 01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:38,000 Speaker 1: light hiker or a light mountaineering boot nowadays. And that's 1601 01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,959 Speaker 1: kind of my go to. You know, it's nimble, it's 1602 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,439 Speaker 1: it's yeah, I can, I can move through just about 1603 01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:50,559 Speaker 1: anything without having no worry about thorns or you know, rocks, 1604 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 1: brush whatever, um. And yet the same time it's protecting 1605 01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,320 Speaker 1: my ankles and you know, from rolling over in the mountains. 1606 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,240 Speaker 1: But all so you don't need the you don't hunt 1607 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,160 Speaker 1: the scenes bid every day, so you don't need that 1608 01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:09,439 Speaker 1: that rubber boot for send protection like like you wouldn't 1609 01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:13,719 Speaker 1: stand hunting. But so yeah, there's probably it's it's mostly 1610 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,800 Speaker 1: just common sense on the stock. Then, you know, mister, 1611 01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:22,679 Speaker 1: I don't see you here, your smell you there you go. Okay, 1612 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,760 Speaker 1: let's let's touch a little bit more on one other 1613 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: thing you mentioned there, which was maybe tickling the times 1614 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,280 Speaker 1: together or calling. Um, from everything I've heard and seen 1615 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 1: and some things you've mentioned too, it sounds like ratley 1616 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,120 Speaker 1: and calling is particularly effective in your mind in some 1617 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,519 Speaker 1: of these places. Would you agree with that? And then okay? 1618 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,880 Speaker 1: Then secondly, talk to me a little bit more about 1619 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,720 Speaker 1: how specifically you are using those two tools. Are you 1620 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,839 Speaker 1: I'm interested in your call sequence or your rattling sequence, 1621 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,720 Speaker 1: or when's the right time to do it, when's not 1622 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,160 Speaker 1: the right time to do it? Um, walk me through 1623 01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:03,559 Speaker 1: the Tony treat one on one on rattling and calling. Well, 1624 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,720 Speaker 1: in a perfect world, they don't have to, you know, 1625 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,880 Speaker 1: a perfect world. My morning's gonna start with me at 1626 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,680 Speaker 1: at a high point glassing and I'm gonna see him 1627 01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,519 Speaker 1: bed and then I'm just gonna walk up to him 1628 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,360 Speaker 1: and shoot him. Uh that's the perfect world. How it 1629 01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,360 Speaker 1: usually happens is maybe I do find him, but now 1630 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,240 Speaker 1: he's better in a spot where uh, you know, I 1631 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,840 Speaker 1: can maybe sneak in get close. But now he's gotta 1632 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,080 Speaker 1: doe with them. They could stand up and feed or way, 1633 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,080 Speaker 1: maybe I want him to. I want to draw his 1634 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,599 Speaker 1: attention over here. In that case, I'm going to use 1635 01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,680 Speaker 1: him more of just kind of a curiosity thing. And 1636 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a light of as sound as I can. 1637 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,599 Speaker 1: I don't even want him to really know for sure 1638 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,920 Speaker 1: what he hurt. I want him to think, you know, 1639 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,479 Speaker 1: what did I just hear? What? What is that? A? 1640 01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,360 Speaker 1: You know? Isn't that two bucks? Burn? Um? That's probably 1641 01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the more often the way I end up using him. Um. 1642 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,439 Speaker 1: But let's say I don't find anything, you know, for 1643 01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:02,519 Speaker 1: the first hour or two glass and and it's it 1644 01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,240 Speaker 1: gets to be nine o'clock in the morning, and now 1645 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,559 Speaker 1: at this point everything's betted up. Uh. That's when I 1646 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:14,920 Speaker 1: will make my and and this only only really I 1647 01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't say don't like works in certain areas. I've only 1648 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,639 Speaker 1: had luck with it in certain areas. Um. And it's 1649 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:21,760 Speaker 1: this is when I'll go to the you know, the 1650 01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,439 Speaker 1: spots that might have a little bit thickier, thicker brushire 1651 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,240 Speaker 1: areas where I can I can get close to where 1652 01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,840 Speaker 1: they're betting out in these these open grassier areas or 1653 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,960 Speaker 1: brushy brushing areas without them seeing me, and set up 1654 01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,080 Speaker 1: set up a decoy out in front of me a 1655 01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,880 Speaker 1: little ways. Maybe I'll have another one right by my side. 1656 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,000 Speaker 1: And that's when I mean I carry it. My set 1657 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,479 Speaker 1: of rain amblers are like you know, it's a one 1658 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,160 Speaker 1: sixty class buck. It's these are big solid amblers that 1659 01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,280 Speaker 1: I found a long time ago, and they make great sound. 1660 01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:54,639 Speaker 1: I mean I used to do a lot of shut 1661 01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,880 Speaker 1: on and I've got a lot of sheds. It takes 1662 01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,719 Speaker 1: the right set of antlers to make the right sound. 1663 01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I absolutely I always wonderful. Yeah, I 1664 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,880 Speaker 1: cannot stand all those fake plastic ones out there. I 1665 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,120 Speaker 1: think I actually heard Stephen talking about Ronella on one 1666 01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,360 Speaker 1: of his podcasts, about one of those little pack racks 1667 01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:11,960 Speaker 1: or whatever you like, and I was just shaking my 1668 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,760 Speaker 1: head and like, oh my god, what are you doing. 1669 01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,000 Speaker 1: I just have the bulk of carrying a big set antlers. 1670 01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,320 Speaker 1: That's the thing that always to tears me. Well do 1671 01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,320 Speaker 1: you like the bulk of carrying the big antlers out? 1672 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,599 Speaker 1: Might you might have to carry him in? The sound 1673 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,559 Speaker 1: they make is so different. And I mean I could 1674 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 1: go out in my house welcover and I've got like 1675 01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,519 Speaker 1: ten match sets and there's two of them over there 1676 01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,000 Speaker 1: that are magical, and I mean they just have a 1677 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,439 Speaker 1: sound to them and I am not bashl with them. 1678 01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,400 Speaker 1: I've just about broke my phones before. I'm too proud 1679 01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,559 Speaker 1: to cut off the brow points. But I should cut 1680 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,280 Speaker 1: off the brow points. But it's hard to cut the 1681 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,280 Speaker 1: brow points off a nice set of sheds. But um, 1682 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,360 Speaker 1: but I just once I get set up in a 1683 01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,160 Speaker 1: spot like that, I I just let it rip. I 1684 01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,000 Speaker 1: mean I don't, I don't do it. There's nothing general, 1685 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing particularly ab out it, and I want to 1686 01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,120 Speaker 1: make as much noise. I want them to think that 1687 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,679 Speaker 1: all hell is breaking loose. There's a hot dough or two, 1688 01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,360 Speaker 1: and there's two bucks over here trying to kill each 1689 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:17,400 Speaker 1: other for and man, I it's it's worked very very well. Um. 1690 01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,280 Speaker 1: And even when it doesn't work well to the point 1691 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,280 Speaker 1: where you're you know, you find a buck that you 1692 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,120 Speaker 1: want to you know, like, holy crap, here comes on hunteer, 1693 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,160 Speaker 1: you're still having fun because little bucks are running over 1694 01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,640 Speaker 1: top of you, and sometimes they're running the absolite way 1695 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,000 Speaker 1: because they're scared. But um, it's yeah, good, good things 1696 01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,599 Speaker 1: happen when you're allowed out there. But but that's a 1697 01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,120 Speaker 1: totally different situation than you know, sneaking up as close 1698 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,800 Speaker 1: as you can to them and then being quiet. And 1699 01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,960 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much the only ways I use them, 1700 01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,599 Speaker 1: and you know it's it's either a late morning set 1701 01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,680 Speaker 1: up early or late afternoon and early evening set up 1702 01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,040 Speaker 1: where I don't have a play, I don't know one's 1703 01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,519 Speaker 1: at and it's just almost like a cool and call 1704 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,960 Speaker 1: set up, um, where I'm allowed and aggressive, or it's 1705 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,120 Speaker 1: a last minute Uh you know, I've got a book located, 1706 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm in tight and I'm tickling them to get him up. 1707 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,240 Speaker 1: I gotta believe that, Um, I gotta believe that the 1708 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:20,559 Speaker 1: shot experience, the whole process is different for those two scenarios. 1709 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,559 Speaker 1: There's gotta be the there's the situation where you sneak 1710 01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,120 Speaker 1: up on one and maybe you don't need to use 1711 01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:27,920 Speaker 1: a call at all. You just slip right in and 1712 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,600 Speaker 1: then you get a shot with that dear being unaware 1713 01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,000 Speaker 1: of your presence at all, versus the shot where you 1714 01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,360 Speaker 1: rattle one in, it sees your decoy and it comes 1715 01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,880 Speaker 1: in righty to kick your ass. Um, Can you walk 1716 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:44,400 Speaker 1: me through how you handle the shot, those moments of truth, 1717 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,920 Speaker 1: the shot process itself, and anything unique to either one 1718 01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,800 Speaker 1: of those scenarios. I just black out and wake up. 1719 01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,240 Speaker 1: There's dead animals laid around when I was younger, actually 1720 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,080 Speaker 1: that is what happened. But um, I think it's easier 1721 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,960 Speaker 1: for me now with the deco way when because they've 1722 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,439 Speaker 1: made the last move and you know, they've penn their 1723 01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,840 Speaker 1: ears back or whatever, and they're coming and I'm being 1724 01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,280 Speaker 1: forced into a situation, uh, you know, he's coming, he's coming, 1725 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,920 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's okay. So now he's at like 1726 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,160 Speaker 1: point blank range because a lot of times they'll just 1727 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,240 Speaker 1: keep walking to you. I mean, eventually they're gonna get 1728 01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:19,960 Speaker 1: to a point when their ten yards or ten feet 1729 01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,160 Speaker 1: and they're gonna like there's some moment hopefully they're going 1730 01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,000 Speaker 1: to realize you're not a buck. So you've got to 1731 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:30,240 Speaker 1: shoot him before that. You're you're in this. You know, 1732 01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,719 Speaker 1: the m or media, how was you call it? Ethics? Ethics, 1733 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,720 Speaker 1: police might not like this, but you are forced with 1734 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,920 Speaker 1: a lot of frontal and quartering two shots. Um because 1735 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,599 Speaker 1: of that with the decoy, because they're coming to kick 1736 01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,240 Speaker 1: your ass. They're not trying to move around you, They're 1737 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,920 Speaker 1: coming right to you. Whereas with you know, if I'm 1738 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,160 Speaker 1: finding a better and I'm sneaking up there and he's 1739 01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:56,639 Speaker 1: just laying there, I'm not being forced to make the shot. 1740 01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:58,880 Speaker 1: He's not moving in I don't have you know, the 1741 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,840 Speaker 1: clock's not ticking and that way it's Then then I 1742 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,439 Speaker 1: have questions, Should I wait? Just should away from the stand? 1743 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Do I have a window to his vitals? Um? Is this? 1744 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,760 Speaker 1: You know? What is the best situation? And then I 1745 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,439 Speaker 1: still have questions? Um. The young younger me was just 1746 01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,640 Speaker 1: as soon as I could see his chest, I'm in 1747 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 1: a zip and arrow. Threat. Older me gets asked more 1748 01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:29,240 Speaker 1: questions of myself now and gets gets me in troublesometimes. Um. 1749 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,320 Speaker 1: I had both situations this year, Uh, my first book 1750 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,640 Speaker 1: in Colorado this year. I was able to sneak up 1751 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,640 Speaker 1: to him and he never knew I was there. Um, 1752 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,840 Speaker 1: And I decided to wait. That could have went horribly wrong. Um, 1753 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,360 Speaker 1: because he eventually he did stand up and just you know, 1754 01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,400 Speaker 1: spin around like a dog in his bed three times, 1755 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,439 Speaker 1: and before he lay back down, I shot him. But 1756 01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,880 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, the wind took a dramatic hundred e 1757 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,680 Speaker 1: degree change because of front came in a big storm 1758 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:03,720 Speaker 1: and the thermals were going straight down the hill hill 1759 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,679 Speaker 1: at that point. If he had waited until that happened, 1760 01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,200 Speaker 1: he would have winned me. So I got really lucky there, 1761 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,880 Speaker 1: whereas maybe I should have taken the shot earlier. I 1762 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,320 Speaker 1: mean I could see his chest, but he was you know, 1763 01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,640 Speaker 1: obviously you have more of a room for you know, 1764 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,800 Speaker 1: room for errors when they stand up. And I just 1765 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,200 Speaker 1: waited for that and it worked out. And then in Kansas, 1766 01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,160 Speaker 1: you know that buck maybe he was this year, he 1767 01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,320 Speaker 1: was bettered with a dough and I could just see 1768 01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:34,800 Speaker 1: the tips of his antlers. I knew he was there, 1769 01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,760 Speaker 1: but I had no shot, and I was about fifty 1770 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:43,920 Speaker 1: yards from him. I tickled the antlers together. Um. And 1771 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,679 Speaker 1: actually I don't even know if it was that necessarily, 1772 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,880 Speaker 1: because another buck came into, Um, a little little buck 1773 01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:50,840 Speaker 1: was coming in, and they got up to kind of 1774 01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,479 Speaker 1: think more more or less deal with him than the 1775 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 1: noise I was making. But the second he saw that 1776 01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,880 Speaker 1: that decoy, he just pinned his ears back and started 1777 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,760 Speaker 1: walking to me. And then at that point it's like, well, 1778 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,519 Speaker 1: I've got an arrow on the string. This is what 1779 01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,840 Speaker 1: I wanted. He's coming and he's making them, he's making 1780 01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,760 Speaker 1: decision for me. I'm going to be shooting here soon, 1781 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:15,160 Speaker 1: so I think it's it's easier for me when when 1782 01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,160 Speaker 1: they make the last move. Either way, anything you've learned 1783 01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:23,880 Speaker 1: about taking that quartering two or frontal shot. Um as 1784 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,600 Speaker 1: far as making that as as lethal as possible, do 1785 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,519 Speaker 1: you have a range, like, hey, they gotta be within 1786 01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,080 Speaker 1: this range for me to take that shot. Or where 1787 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,679 Speaker 1: exactly are you placing it? Um? Any any details on 1788 01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,360 Speaker 1: on pulling that kind of thing off. Well, Number one, 1789 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,559 Speaker 1: I shoot a heavy arrow. That's uh, you know, it's 1790 01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:46,559 Speaker 1: think it's around five five or fifteen grains seventy pounds. 1791 01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,800 Speaker 1: You know, I've got a whoy turbo that's spitting them 1792 01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,400 Speaker 1: out there pretty fast, even for a heavy bow, So 1793 01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,000 Speaker 1: it's got a lot of thump to it. If you're 1794 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,559 Speaker 1: shooting a three fifty grain arrow and pounds have drawed, 1795 01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,479 Speaker 1: you know, maybe an older bow that isn't so fast, 1796 01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,599 Speaker 1: this might not be the right play for you. UM. 1797 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if I hit the scapula, I'm probably going 1798 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,200 Speaker 1: through it. If I hit the where the where the 1799 01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,040 Speaker 1: leg bone thickens out below the scapula, I don't think 1800 01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:16,400 Speaker 1: anyone's getting through that. UM. I have hit that before, 1801 01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's been over a dozen years ago. But uh, 1802 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,639 Speaker 1: that that's a thick bone down there. However, the ribs 1803 01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,080 Speaker 1: in front of the shoulder are not much different than 1804 01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:30,360 Speaker 1: the ribs behind them the shoulder. Um. With that being said, 1805 01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:34,000 Speaker 1: if you can a quartering too with you know, it's 1806 01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,320 Speaker 1: just like when they're walking. You know, if you if 1807 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,800 Speaker 1: you with a corter in a way, when that leg 1808 01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,920 Speaker 1: goes forward, you want to slip the girl in front 1809 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,280 Speaker 1: behind it. Well, when they're walking to you, when the 1810 01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,880 Speaker 1: leg goes back, you want to slip that girl in 1811 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,120 Speaker 1: front of it. Um. I've had great luck. I mean 1812 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:54,760 Speaker 1: I've literally had full uh pastors when I you know, 1813 01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,479 Speaker 1: on a quarter and two shots that went in front 1814 01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,600 Speaker 1: of the front shoulder and exited out back through the 1815 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,680 Speaker 1: rear um and zipped across the wheat field. I mean 1816 01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,479 Speaker 1: lots of them, uh with white tails. You know, I 1817 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,000 Speaker 1: use a cut on contact brought at an iron. Will 1818 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,040 Speaker 1: you know it's a fixed head. I don't use mechanicals. 1819 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:13,920 Speaker 1: And and that's one of the reasons I don't want, 1820 01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've heard horror stories of mechanicals on 1821 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,479 Speaker 1: you know, a hard quartering shot. You know, catch a 1822 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,200 Speaker 1: rib and and uh plants along you know, your skim 1823 01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,360 Speaker 1: along the outside. And it's the last thing I want. 1824 01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,400 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's not like an elk. With 1825 01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,240 Speaker 1: an elk, you've got to be really careful. Those ribs 1826 01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,240 Speaker 1: are way thicker, you know, and you've got to aim 1827 01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,880 Speaker 1: for that hole in the thoracic area, you know. But 1828 01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:41,280 Speaker 1: the base of their throat. The white tail basically I 1829 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,080 Speaker 1: think of, you know, just putting the arrow to the 1830 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:48,000 Speaker 1: center h point of their chest from whatever angle I'm at, 1831 01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:54,840 Speaker 1: and it's never never failed me. But tell me, tell 1832 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,439 Speaker 1: tell me this. I feel like this would be a 1833 01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,280 Speaker 1: good way to wrap this up because we're I've been 1834 01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,599 Speaker 1: hanging ivan holding here for a long time, and I'm 1835 01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:05,960 Speaker 1: having fun with this one. So I'm selfishly getting as 1836 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,000 Speaker 1: much as I can, um, because I love hunting these 1837 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,320 Speaker 1: kinds of places, So I really want to I want 1838 01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:14,480 Speaker 1: to add this to my repertoire um. But is there 1839 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,800 Speaker 1: is there any one example from all your years of 1840 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,639 Speaker 1: this style of white tail hunting that comes to mind 1841 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,720 Speaker 1: to you is like the perfect, the perfect encapsulation of 1842 01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,000 Speaker 1: this whole way of hunting. Um. Is there a story 1843 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,200 Speaker 1: like that, a single hunt that just kind of wraps 1844 01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:30,840 Speaker 1: a bow on this whole thing, that you could walk 1845 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,520 Speaker 1: us through how you did this and that that illustrates 1846 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,519 Speaker 1: this whole thing. Nicely. Uh you want one that went 1847 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:41,920 Speaker 1: uh like almost perfect, but took a like actually I 1848 01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,280 Speaker 1: see that, Like I can tell you about this last year, 1849 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,120 Speaker 1: I guess, But in the end I got my dear. 1850 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:51,759 Speaker 1: But it was I had two different arrows hit a offense. 1851 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,200 Speaker 1: Um it sounds like how of a story? Oh my god? Yeah, 1852 01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,480 Speaker 1: it was so this book I got just this last year. Um, 1853 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,559 Speaker 1: I was down there for probably a week and I 1854 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,880 Speaker 1: didn't Um, I just was not seeing what I was Uh, 1855 01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,479 Speaker 1: you know we used to see and uh in Kansas, 1856 01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,439 Speaker 1: you you get the opportunity to draw, you know, in 1857 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,160 Speaker 1: either either species tag so and I did not draw 1858 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,360 Speaker 1: this year. I only had the wait till only so 1859 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,640 Speaker 1: kind of you know, cuts you right there and and 1860 01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,680 Speaker 1: half of what bucks you looking for? And then I 1861 01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,880 Speaker 1: just I mean I had seen bucks probably as high 1862 01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,360 Speaker 1: as one sixty, but I just wasn't. I wasn't willing 1863 01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:32,000 Speaker 1: to cut my tang on one nowadays, you know, you know, 1864 01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,200 Speaker 1: basically I had I had a guy tell me a 1865 01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:38,200 Speaker 1: long time ago. Ah, if you don't when you first 1866 01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,599 Speaker 1: see that buck, if it's not a no brainer, if 1867 01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,200 Speaker 1: it's not a holy crap, I gotta that's that's the 1868 01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,920 Speaker 1: one if that, if that feeling isn't there, you gotta pass. 1869 01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,960 Speaker 1: If you have to, if there's a second of doubt 1870 01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,960 Speaker 1: in your head, if you have to tell, if you 1871 01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,120 Speaker 1: have to argue with or negotiate with yourself, whether or 1872 01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:00,240 Speaker 1: not it's a shooter, it's not. Yeah, And I learned 1873 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,240 Speaker 1: the hard way is right, and I don't you know, 1874 01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,880 Speaker 1: it's so nowadays I'm pretty pretty picky. And I just 1875 01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,559 Speaker 1: wasn't seeing when I was, like, you know, I wanted 1876 01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,400 Speaker 1: to see and the pheasant hunting was good, so I 1877 01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,840 Speaker 1: was killing some pheasants. Um, but you know, I just 1878 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:19,639 Speaker 1: wasn't seeing any bucks. And then I h I wanted 1879 01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,439 Speaker 1: to see. It was like the third day of pheasants season. 1880 01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:25,320 Speaker 1: Maybe um, I just used that as a time refens 1881 01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,280 Speaker 1: don't really the actual date. But I was coming back 1882 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,120 Speaker 1: from this class and it was already to the point 1883 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,519 Speaker 1: where now I wasn't even I was. I was leaving 1884 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,559 Speaker 1: my last classing point and I was heading back to 1885 01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,280 Speaker 1: the ranch to get a nice rest, and a buck 1886 01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:39,880 Speaker 1: across the road in front of me, and it was 1887 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,679 Speaker 1: the first really old mature buy I had seen last year, 1888 01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,920 Speaker 1: and you know, I stopped the truck and jumped out 1889 01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,479 Speaker 1: with the binoculars and he, you know, was a couple 1890 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,240 Speaker 1: hundred yards outside road with some dos and I got 1891 01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:57,559 Speaker 1: to watch him a little bit. Um. The next morning, 1892 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,519 Speaker 1: I was on a different high spot, you know, maybe 1893 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,720 Speaker 1: about a mile from there, where I could cover that 1894 01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:06,640 Speaker 1: whole area and for a lot of it. And just 1895 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:11,040 Speaker 1: luckily he was the very first year I saw, and 1896 01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,680 Speaker 1: he had a dope. He had a couple of hour 1897 01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,120 Speaker 1: bucks that were shadowing him and he kept running them off. 1898 01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:17,920 Speaker 1: He had broken off the brow one of his brow 1899 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:22,040 Speaker 1: points already, which they're both really big brow points, they're 1900 01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:26,240 Speaker 1: like six seven inches um. So he'd done that overnight, 1901 01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:30,960 Speaker 1: and I just waited him out. He he probably took 1902 01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,880 Speaker 1: man it. It took longer than thirty or nine o'clock 1903 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,519 Speaker 1: before he finally betted. But in that time, you know, 1904 01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:41,120 Speaker 1: he'd went, you know, almost in the middle of the section, 1905 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,280 Speaker 1: so you know, a half mile from each county road 1906 01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:46,640 Speaker 1: and over the edge where I couldn't see him. That 1907 01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:47,680 Speaker 1: was the one I was telling you earlier. I had 1908 01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,880 Speaker 1: to drive all the way around find lar high point 1909 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,400 Speaker 1: over there, and luckily I picked him up again before 1910 01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:56,360 Speaker 1: he laid down. And I mean the whole the whole section. 1911 01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,240 Speaker 1: I have permission to hunt on um from three different landowners. UM. 1912 01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,000 Speaker 1: Certain you have to worry about the fences as far 1913 01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,040 Speaker 1: as uh, you know, property lines go. I just had 1914 01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,000 Speaker 1: to worry about the fences. The fact that he was 1915 01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,760 Speaker 1: bed in a long one. Um, it was super easy. 1916 01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,559 Speaker 1: I mean there was no stock. I just grabbed my 1917 01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,680 Speaker 1: boat and the decoy and walked because he was on 1918 01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,559 Speaker 1: the other side of a littleknoll. And once I got 1919 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,479 Speaker 1: I wasn't even with it going to be within sight 1920 01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,200 Speaker 1: of him until I was like forty or fifty yards, 1921 01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:24,920 Speaker 1: So I basically just got to where I could see 1922 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:29,920 Speaker 1: the sailor tips knelt down in the cut Milo. Um. 1923 01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,840 Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of times in those areas 1924 01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,240 Speaker 1: they will the mile will be like a terraced off 1925 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,160 Speaker 1: on the hills where they have like little flat spot 1926 01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:37,920 Speaker 1: and then it drops down the flat spot and it 1927 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,400 Speaker 1: drops down. I think it just makes it easier for 1928 01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:45,920 Speaker 1: them to harvest it and maybe helps with erosion. But 1929 01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,800 Speaker 1: it makes for great little spots to kneel behind um 1930 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,000 Speaker 1: and cover you maybe your lower half when you're showing 1931 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,519 Speaker 1: the decoy. And there was a little buck that kept 1932 01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,400 Speaker 1: coming up and I tried tick on the ailers to 1933 01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:59,080 Speaker 1: him to get him a stand up, and I could 1934 01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,519 Speaker 1: see his years twitch. He'd turned his head a little bit, 1935 01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,439 Speaker 1: but he wouldn't stand up. And so I think in 1936 01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,880 Speaker 1: the end it was thenar buck that got him and 1937 01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,200 Speaker 1: his dope on his feet. And she saw me and 1938 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,120 Speaker 1: walked her over to me. And she saw me first. 1939 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,720 Speaker 1: I mean she was probably twenty yards from me. But 1940 01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,519 Speaker 1: so when he saw me the decoy, now he sees 1941 01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,640 Speaker 1: not only has his dough walked away from him a 1942 01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,160 Speaker 1: little bit while he was preoccupied with this little buck. 1943 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,840 Speaker 1: There's not a little buck over there in the cut 1944 01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,759 Speaker 1: milo which is me and has has dough was walking 1945 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,400 Speaker 1: over there towards it. She's just curious what I am, 1946 01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,599 Speaker 1: because she's they're obviously the does are a little more 1947 01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,479 Speaker 1: but they don't have testosterone wrong and at that time 1948 01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,240 Speaker 1: of the year, so they're a little more curious as 1949 01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:43,160 Speaker 1: to what you are and white til doose are. Actually, 1950 01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:45,599 Speaker 1: I usially don't like him to get that close because 1951 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,120 Speaker 1: a lot of times they will blow out and script 1952 01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,479 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But she didn't. He saw me and 1953 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,720 Speaker 1: just pinned his years back in just third, you know, 1954 01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:57,720 Speaker 1: doing that moose walk where this kind of tipped their 1955 01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,960 Speaker 1: head left and right back, and he's just coming. And 1956 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,080 Speaker 1: it's to the point where I I drew my bow 1957 01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,320 Speaker 1: bag and I'm thinking he's gonna stop. He's at thirties, 1958 01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,000 Speaker 1: okay that I know that fence post is thirty, and 1959 01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,200 Speaker 1: he just keeps coming, like I gotta let down. And 1960 01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:12,840 Speaker 1: now I gotta shift a little bit because if you know, 1961 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:14,680 Speaker 1: the stocks are telling off, I can't really swing my 1962 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,599 Speaker 1: my bow through. I've kind of gotta go up and around. 1963 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,800 Speaker 1: And the door was looking at me like, I don't 1964 01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,880 Speaker 1: this this buck doesn't look right. But the but the 1965 01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,360 Speaker 1: I swear to cathless older bucks, once they get in 1966 01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:27,720 Speaker 1: their head that they're gonna scare you off and run 1967 01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,200 Speaker 1: you off, they just they get the googly eye thing 1968 01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,160 Speaker 1: and they roll their eyes back, their ears are pin back, 1969 01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:38,720 Speaker 1: and they're just they're coming, and you well, there's a 1970 01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,560 Speaker 1: Bucks that I was kind of just messed around with 1971 01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,080 Speaker 1: in the past, like I had no intention of shooting 1972 01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,440 Speaker 1: up and yell at them to get him to leave. Um, 1973 01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,599 Speaker 1: but this guy's coming and he's coming, and he finally 1974 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,240 Speaker 1: gets to the point where you know he's gotta he's 1975 01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,200 Speaker 1: either got to jump the fence to me or now 1976 01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,519 Speaker 1: he's gonna be going further away, and and he just 1977 01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,439 Speaker 1: stops and he's just standing there is that moving his head. 1978 01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna shoot it right 1979 01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:08,040 Speaker 1: through the the fence. I mean it's barbedware fence. There's 1980 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,519 Speaker 1: four strands of it. I mean, there's only two of 1981 01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,639 Speaker 1: them that are in play. And it's really I mean, 1982 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,880 Speaker 1: this is this is the closest shot I've had in 1983 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,720 Speaker 1: a long time. What are the odds of it hitting it? 1984 01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:20,439 Speaker 1: And it hits it and the arrow instantly goes down 1985 01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:24,040 Speaker 1: and back and oh no, and you could you could 1986 01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,360 Speaker 1: see by the you know the way you could hear 1987 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,720 Speaker 1: it too. The it wasn't the standard like you know, 1988 01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:34,599 Speaker 1: thumb sound. It was more of a a smack because 1989 01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:36,720 Speaker 1: you know that the arrow was also coming at him 1990 01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of sideways. You know, it didn't it wasn't good 1991 01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:44,920 Speaker 1: And aside throwing our arroline, you know, he had instantly 1992 01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:48,040 Speaker 1: made a jump. So now he's up five yards further, 1993 01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:51,840 Speaker 1: which is you know, no change in pin and one 1994 01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,200 Speaker 1: of the odds of it hitting the fence again apparently 1995 01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,719 Speaker 1: pretty good because it hit again and it went britween 1996 01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:01,160 Speaker 1: to speak, but he got getting this time, he only 1997 01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:05,680 Speaker 1: walks a little further. Um and by this time, you 1998 01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,760 Speaker 1: know, and and I'll admit, I'm I'm for azzing, like I'm like, 1999 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,720 Speaker 1: I cannot believe. What are the odds this happening. I've 2000 01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,559 Speaker 1: put all this work in this now and and now 2001 01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:17,280 Speaker 1: it's I'm shooting like a you know, a jackass. I 2002 01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,479 Speaker 1: you know, and you feel bad, right because you know 2003 01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:22,519 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be quick, you know, clean kill and 2004 01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:30,439 Speaker 1: I so so long story short, I am out of 2005 01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:36,040 Speaker 1: arrows very quickly here and I've got two arrows in them, 2006 01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,400 Speaker 1: and you know, this is one of those days that 2007 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,200 Speaker 1: ends well. But um, there was moments in it where 2008 01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,200 Speaker 1: I like this. You know, there's a moment where I'm like, 2009 01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:52,120 Speaker 1: I need more arrows. I absolutely this. I did everything 2010 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:56,360 Speaker 1: right up until when I didn't. And now you did 2011 01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,599 Speaker 1: hit him. It hit the barrow and then him. Okay, 2012 01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:00,439 Speaker 1: for some reason I thought it ricochet off and you 2013 01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,800 Speaker 1: missed both. But okay, so you hit him. He's still 2014 01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,240 Speaker 1: got him. First yarrow hit him, and it was a 2015 01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:09,000 Speaker 1: legal shot, like it's low it's maybe diaphraghim, maybe liver, 2016 01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,040 Speaker 1: but maybe on the other side of the diaphraghim. I 2017 01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:14,240 Speaker 1: would later find out what it was it was behind it, um, 2018 01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,800 Speaker 1: but he's just so hopped up on kicking your boot. 2019 01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,400 Speaker 1: He doesn't even care that he just got hit. Did 2020 01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,479 Speaker 1: not care. Second arrow hit the hit the wire when 2021 01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:27,360 Speaker 1: when low between his legs, he didn't even acknowledge it. Um. 2022 01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,120 Speaker 1: He moved out a little further. I want to say 2023 01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:33,920 Speaker 1: the third arrow connected, um, but he was walking away 2024 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,240 Speaker 1: at that point and it wasn't you know, it was 2025 01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,840 Speaker 1: basically replay the first shot. Um. And then he laid 2026 01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,040 Speaker 1: down and I tried to speak in and get another 2027 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,599 Speaker 1: one in him, and I couldn't get any closer than 2028 01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:48,920 Speaker 1: that fence because climbing the fence he would have picked 2029 01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,680 Speaker 1: me off and him. You know, I know it was 2030 01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,840 Speaker 1: and he's still at that point, I didn't think any 2031 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:55,920 Speaker 1: clue what I was. I mean, he's he can still 2032 01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:59,920 Speaker 1: see him, so um, and I was last two shots 2033 01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,840 Speaker 1: just caught. You know, he's laying down in brush and 2034 01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,800 Speaker 1: I tried to squeeze him through there and he just didn't. 2035 01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:08,559 Speaker 1: It didn't connect. And eventually I'm sitting there along that 2036 01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,439 Speaker 1: fence line. Now he's moved opia. We basically moved up 2037 01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:14,639 Speaker 1: fifty yards forward because those laid back down. He's laid 2038 01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,080 Speaker 1: back down. He's not doing good. I'm like just expecting 2039 01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:18,559 Speaker 1: from him, you know, his head will go down and 2040 01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's going to die. And the other buck 2041 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,160 Speaker 1: comes back, literally scoops up that dough hops the fence 2042 01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:29,760 Speaker 1: with her and they take off, and that buck watches him, 2043 01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,719 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, they can just stay there, buddy, 2044 01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:36,080 Speaker 1: it's time, you know, just stay there. He got up 2045 01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:40,360 Speaker 1: and he walked over that fence and m hmm. I 2046 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:41,680 Speaker 1: didn't think he was gonna be able to do it, 2047 01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,280 Speaker 1: and he kind of like high sighted himself for a bit, 2048 01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, he tried to jump it and he then 2049 01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,840 Speaker 1: he slipped over and he made it and he started 2050 01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,880 Speaker 1: walking after him, and I, yeah, I know. So I 2051 01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:54,680 Speaker 1: ran back the truck as fast as I could. I 2052 01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:56,599 Speaker 1: got more, you know, load of the boat with arrows, 2053 01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:58,280 Speaker 1: drove her up, and now I gotta drive back around 2054 01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:00,640 Speaker 1: the other side of the block again where I have 2055 01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:02,920 Speaker 1: a view of that side where I originally spot him 2056 01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,719 Speaker 1: in the morning. Got over there. They're all three laying 2057 01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:10,400 Speaker 1: down the field and um, you know, basically never left 2058 01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:17,560 Speaker 1: that field. Um, but it involved me waiting waiting. Uh, 2059 01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,479 Speaker 1: probably not as long as I should have, because if 2060 01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,479 Speaker 1: I had just never moved in on him to get 2061 01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,120 Speaker 1: another air on him, he would have just died right 2062 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:24,800 Speaker 1: there and for a couple of hours. But I tried 2063 01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:30,599 Speaker 1: to slide in and ended sooner and I actually had 2064 01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,960 Speaker 1: the decoy on the boat. That was one of those 2065 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,240 Speaker 1: times when I'm crossing that little opening area just hoping 2066 01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,160 Speaker 1: if he does turn over here and see because there's 2067 01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,679 Speaker 1: nothing really in between us, um that he will see decoy. 2068 01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,599 Speaker 1: And I was able to getting our arrow on him again, 2069 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,120 Speaker 1: but the wind caught that decoy and it wasn't a 2070 01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:56,559 Speaker 1: good shot, and it was I've had This conversation was 2071 01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,599 Speaker 1: a one of the worst and best days I've had 2072 01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,360 Speaker 1: in a long time, because you know, in the end, 2073 01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:05,800 Speaker 1: I got the buck I wanted, but there was there 2074 01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:09,000 Speaker 1: were tears from it, and uh, you know, I felt 2075 01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:12,160 Speaker 1: like ship because I you know, what started off as 2076 01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:15,880 Speaker 1: a simple mistake and a barbed wire moved on to 2077 01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:20,360 Speaker 1: me rushing things, not uh not taking my time and 2078 01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:25,600 Speaker 1: just letting him rest and stiffing up and die pushing it, um, 2079 01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, not thinking you know ahead of time about 2080 01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,160 Speaker 1: what the wind's gonna do. With with this decoy on there, 2081 01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:35,400 Speaker 1: just you know, I didn't a time came when my 2082 01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,720 Speaker 1: good judgment kind and how I should move along with 2083 01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,600 Speaker 1: it kind of went out the window and I was 2084 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,120 Speaker 1: I just had one thing in mind, and I was 2085 01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,000 Speaker 1: getting the dead as soon as possible, and in the 2086 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:51,240 Speaker 1: end it worked out. But um, yeah, it's that that 2087 01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,200 Speaker 1: might not be the type of story you were thinking 2088 01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,360 Speaker 1: about to inter wrap it up with, but that was 2089 01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,160 Speaker 1: the the one that's most pressing in my mind because 2090 01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:02,160 Speaker 1: of may maybe for not the reasons of grand or 2091 01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,880 Speaker 1: but reasons of it taught me a lesson. So yeah, no, 2092 01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,840 Speaker 1: I think that's that's an important I think that kind 2093 01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,240 Speaker 1: of story makes me think of a few things. Number one, 2094 01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,360 Speaker 1: it it reminds us all that you can do everything 2095 01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:15,799 Speaker 1: right and still every once in a while those nightmare 2096 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,719 Speaker 1: scenarios will happen, um, because we are chasing a wild 2097 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,439 Speaker 1: animal and just stuff happens, um, So you better be 2098 01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,439 Speaker 1: prepared for it as best as possible. And you know, 2099 01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:28,120 Speaker 1: like like you did, even though it didn't turn out 2100 01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:31,560 Speaker 1: as didn't turn out the way you wanted to you, 2101 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,479 Speaker 1: you know, you tried to end it as quickly as possible. 2102 01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:38,120 Speaker 1: You tried to do the most ethical possible next thing. Um. 2103 01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,840 Speaker 1: And then it also just for me when you hear 2104 01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,720 Speaker 1: those kinds of stories, you just can't help but have 2105 01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:49,679 Speaker 1: this admiration for an animal that can just keep on living. 2106 01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:53,360 Speaker 1: And it's just unbelievable that the toughness and the will 2107 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,920 Speaker 1: to live that these critters have. I mean, they are 2108 01:50:56,439 --> 01:51:02,240 Speaker 1: survival machines. Um, that's for sure. Oh, I uh, I 2109 01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,840 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I'm fired up. I am just after 2110 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,599 Speaker 1: hearing this. I just I'm ready to get out there 2111 01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,720 Speaker 1: is what I'm ready to do. This is uh, this 2112 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,800 Speaker 1: is fun stuff. Yeah, Tag season is upon us. I'm 2113 01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,840 Speaker 1: before we started podcast, I was going through my my 2114 01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,960 Speaker 1: Utah app that's going in this afternoon, and one by 2115 01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,120 Speaker 1: one the state's applications will all be in and then 2116 01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,280 Speaker 1: for you know, it will be scouting time and then 2117 01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:31,719 Speaker 1: right back into it all the never ending cycle continues, hopefully. Yes. 2118 01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,320 Speaker 1: Is there is there any place that if folks, if 2119 01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,240 Speaker 1: folks listen to this and we're really interested in treat 2120 01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,240 Speaker 1: and wanted to either see some of your writing or 2121 01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,479 Speaker 1: fall along with your hunts or anything, is there anywhere 2122 01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:44,600 Speaker 1: that you would tell people to go for them to 2123 01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:48,479 Speaker 1: connect with you or to to learn more. My Instagram 2124 01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,639 Speaker 1: is probably the best place to follow along. And that's 2125 01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,560 Speaker 1: just Tony treats. I guess there's an underscore between the 2126 01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:58,880 Speaker 1: names on Instagram. Um, I don't really. I mean I 2127 01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:02,960 Speaker 1: write for Rod Slide uh and I'm on their staff, 2128 01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:06,559 Speaker 1: but I don't. I'm not exclusive. So my articles pop 2129 01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:11,479 Speaker 1: up in do magazines. Cool, awesome, Well, Tony, I I 2130 01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,000 Speaker 1: really enjoyed this one. This is something that's kind of 2131 01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,799 Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart, these kinds of areas. 2132 01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,680 Speaker 1: So I am I'm making a plan to try to 2133 01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:22,120 Speaker 1: add this kind of hunting to to my repertoire. And 2134 01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:23,519 Speaker 1: it was awesome to be able to pick your brain 2135 01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,200 Speaker 1: about it. So thanks for taking so much time to 2136 01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:31,720 Speaker 1: do that. Well, thank you, Mark. It's that pleasure being 2137 01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:38,200 Speaker 1: at And get some water man, you're struggle. I got 2138 01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,920 Speaker 1: fraud right here to last second. It happens. I've had 2139 01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,160 Speaker 1: to happen a time or two myself. So yeah, it's 2140 01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:46,320 Speaker 1: getting over a cold, so it's been tough. That's no fun. Well, 2141 01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,880 Speaker 1: thank you Tony again, and let's stay in touch. Sounds good. 2142 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:54,200 Speaker 1: Thanks and that's a rap, my friends. Thank you for 2143 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,680 Speaker 1: tuning in. Thanks for being a part of one hell 2144 01:52:56,720 --> 01:53:00,280 Speaker 1: of a great community. Um, the wire Dunk listeners, all 2145 01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,000 Speaker 1: of you guys out there that are avid hunters and 2146 01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:07,880 Speaker 1: new hunters and mentors and conservationists and just lovers of 2147 01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:10,760 Speaker 1: wildlife and wild places and the folks that walk the 2148 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,200 Speaker 1: walk just don't talk to talk. Um nam, I think 2149 01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:17,280 Speaker 1: you guys are awesome. I'm proud to be chatting with 2150 01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:23,200 Speaker 1: you weekly and proud to call you guys my friends, colleagues, community, 2151 01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:25,920 Speaker 1: and UM, I think I'm gonna stop talking now and 2152 01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,160 Speaker 1: just let you get outside. Hopefully you're shed hunting, picking 2153 01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:31,559 Speaker 1: up trash, scouting, having a good time. Hopefully that's some 2154 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:35,400 Speaker 1: sunshine here soon. So until next time, thank you, and 2155 01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,920 Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.