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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 2: What up, y'all, it's unpaid bill for Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating

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Speaker 2: black music a month by releasing an episode every day,

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Speaker 2: so every day you will have to be here, especially

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Speaker 2: picked QLs Classic, and on Wednesdays we are dropping new

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Speaker 2: two part episodes with Wayne Brady and the legendary James Poyser,

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Speaker 2: both of which were filmed in the studio. Black music

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Speaker 2: is deeply important to me and has been an influence

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Speaker 2: throughout my entire career. It's also something we celebrate here

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Speaker 2: at QLs. Today, QLs revisits are Jeffrey Osborne Interview. This

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Speaker 2: one is informative, but my co host Shoogy Steve also

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Speaker 2: drops a few comedic gems in this special twenty eighteen episode.

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Speaker 3: Supremo Suprema Roll Call, Suprema Suh Suh, Supremo roll Call,

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Speaker 3: Suprema suck s, Suprema roll Call, Suprema sun So.

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Speaker 1: Suprema Rolly. It's alright with me, Yeah, no matter what

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Speaker 1: you want to believe. Yeah. Half of Supreme teams here

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Speaker 1: or for me and Steve. Roll call Supremo built Supremo.

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Speaker 4: Roll call, Suprema suck Son Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 5: My name is Sugar. Yeah, what's it all about?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Roll call yeah or roll out. I'll explain later.

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Speaker 4: Suprema roll call, Suprema su Suprema roll called.

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Speaker 7: My shoelaces Yeah, have slowly loosened. Yeah, please forgive me. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm only human.

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Speaker 4: Call Supreme Supprema roll call, Suprema Sun, Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Joy.

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Speaker 6: Some call me Jeffrey, Yeah, some call me Osborne. Hey,

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Speaker 6: what's that for me?

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Speaker 4: Bro Suprema soun Sun Supremo roll call, Suprema soun Sun

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Speaker 4: Suprema roll call Supreme Son Son Supreme My roll call

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Speaker 4: Suprema Son Son Suppreme my roll call.

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Speaker 1: Wait before I do anything, Yes, I'm breaking tradition. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm asking a question first. Then I'll introduce our guests. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Osborne, you just introduced our guests. Is that you

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Speaker 1: drumming for Smokey Robinson on Soul Trade in nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 6: With the part down the middle of my head. A,

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Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

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Speaker 1: I knew it.

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Speaker 6: I knew it.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Quest Love Supreme. I am

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Speaker 1: Quest Love and our Supreme team consisting.

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Speaker 5: Of this team today Supreme.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sugars thief who's very excited. I think more than

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Speaker 1: anyone wanted this episode to go down, Sugar Steve. Uh

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Speaker 1: and of course, uh boss Bill with us, not with us.

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Speaker 1: Fantakolo is still waiting on his titles for his for

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Speaker 1: his basement house furnishing. Uh, like you somewhere getting our

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Speaker 1: house together in U Los Angeles.

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Speaker 7: Did you know that they did an audiobook recently? No,

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Speaker 7: I didn't know that. Apparently he narrated a children's book.

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Speaker 7: It's called The title is great. The title is called

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Speaker 7: we used to have money, Now we have you.

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Speaker 1: You have some explains to do, Fonte Uh and unpaid

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Speaker 1: Bill somewhere on Sesame Street, Sesame Street land. Uh, Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, I'm so excited about our guest today that

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Speaker 1: I did absolutely no prep work whatsoever because I think

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Speaker 1: I can just go off the top of the dome

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Speaker 1: one of my personal in my my top five soul

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Speaker 1: singers ever. And uh, you know, I haven't been this

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Speaker 1: happy for Steve I mean, he means much more, even

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Speaker 1: more than me than Steve is mad at me already

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Speaker 1: for putting on this spot. No, no, well.

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Speaker 5: Don't I mean, I know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jeffrey Osborne,

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Speaker 1: quest of supre Won. Alright, all right, all right, we've

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Speaker 1: been trying to make this happen for a second. Thank

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Speaker 6: Oh it's great, man, I'm enjoying it and I even

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Speaker 6: got started and I'm joining it trusting.

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Speaker 1: This is this is Black Music, Nerd Paradise and Steve

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Speaker 1: when the NERD came in. Yeah, so okay, where My

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Speaker 1: first question is always where were you born?

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Speaker 6: In Providence, Rhode Island? Really Providence, Rhode Island? Yeah, youngest

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Speaker 1: I don't think I ever had a situation where someon

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it was interesting growing up there not a

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Speaker 1: They started in Providence.

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Speaker 6: No, they were actually Sam and Dave's backup band back

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Speaker 6: Them Coming Days, soul Man Days. They were called sol

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Speaker 6: in a little nightclub in my hometown in Province. But

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Speaker 1: So was it a musical family my family, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I say eight of eight of the twelve of us

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Speaker 6: But he had twelve kids. That's what you get if

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Speaker 1: And what was the mean well known what was the

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Speaker 6: Costume jewelry still is, you know really especially in Patucket,

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Speaker 6: Like the yeah, it was in Pentucket, Rhode Island, right.

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Speaker 6: Well, I've always singing. I was winding up at a

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Speaker 1: So you winged your first gig with LTD.

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Speaker 6: Not know, Yeah, but they were doing Top forty and

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Speaker 6: I don't know that guy was in jail for a while.

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Speaker 6: So and then's the funny thing. When I was fifteen,

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Speaker 6: I went to see them perform and they had a drummer.

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Speaker 6: Drum of passion was heroin. You know, That's what a

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Speaker 6: was like, you need a drummer. They said, okay, well

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Speaker 6: I'm like, no, I can play now, I said, okay.

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Speaker 6: So I brought about three drummers up and auditioned and

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Speaker 1: To drugs, drug drums.

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Speaker 6: But again, drumming is you know what opened the door

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Speaker 1: Yeah, drumming opens the door. There you go to an industry. Wait,

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Speaker 1: what year was the was it before?

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Speaker 6: It was nineteen seventy, all right, So before.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they actually they had five people in the group.

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Speaker 6: It was five singers. OK, yeah that lineup.

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Speaker 1: So so you're singing that before your nightclub hopping. You

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Speaker 6: Not a high school band experience. But I played with

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Speaker 1: Oh so you even had to learn rapertoire for rock music.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I was playing nightclubs, but it was actually

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Speaker 6: There was a hood in Providence. So I was basically

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Speaker 6: doing mostly R and B, mostly R and B music,

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Speaker 6: you know. But I you know, I grew up listening

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Speaker 6: so so everybody was listening to Sarah Vaughn and Ela

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Speaker 6: when I started, I was singing a couple of jazz songs,

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Speaker 6: you know, in R and B. You know, I kind

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Speaker 1: Who were your influences as far as vocal back then?

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Speaker 6: You know, my biggest influence, which everybody finds strange, was

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Speaker 6: a singer named Gloria Lynn. Gloria Lynn was actually my

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Speaker 6: of things like her. I guess subconsciously I was kind

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Speaker 6: of really into her. But you know, Sarah was my favorite.

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Speaker 6: I love Sarah Vaughan. I loved, you know, I loved

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Speaker 6: We we actually got our first deal through a production

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Speaker 6: some very good people as far as uh, you know,

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00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 6: orchestrating things. You know, I think Love Ballot was orchestrated

437
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 6: so well back then. And uh, but you know, we

438
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 6: we did well with the with them. The funny story

439
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 6: with them is that I think I sang the lead

440
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 6: vocal on Love Ballot at five o'clock in the morning,

441
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 6: after I sat and waited for them to show up,

442
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 6: and I was so pissed off. I did one take

443
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 6: and left and that was it. It was like, I mean,

444
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 6: you know, well I'm there at like nine o'clock. I'm

445
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 6: all pump rady to sing no Show, No Show. I

446
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 6: think they showed up about two thirty three o'clock in

447
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 6: the morning, and so we had this big round table discussion.

448
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm out of here. I'm gone just sing

449
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 6: this song one time, just try it, all right. So

450
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 6: I sang it one take.

451
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: That's the alpha.

452
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 6: That was it.

453
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: That's the infamous Quincy Jones Alpha state. Quincy Jones has

454
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: a theory that well, for a lot of the music

455
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: he would choose to record when he was making a dude,

456
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: choose to record his musicians at those ungotly hours because

457
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: he says that if you're fully aware, you'll tend to

458
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: overthink your performance in the studio, whereas if you're just tired, uh,

459
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: you just do the matter at hand without putting a

460
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: second thought into it.

461
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 6: And that might work for musicians, but if you're tired

462
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 6: as a singer, no, but you can't.

463
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: So you're saying when you listen to Love Ballot like,

464
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: you're like I was pitching on the port or no it.

465
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 6: Was I was, you know, but you know, for me,

466
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 6: for the most part of my career, my first takes

467
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 6: always my best take. Always, you know, and I would

468
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 6: always go back and do another take, and it was

469
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 6: like I was trying to sing like myself now I'm

470
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 6: trying to you know, but the first impression was always

471
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 6: the right impression. So I'm a I'm a big believer

472
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 6: in that.

473
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: You know, so rarely if you worked with the producers,

474
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, one time, George.

475
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 6: Duke, No, I love George Duke, he was George Duke

476
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 6: was Oh man. I was so close with George Richard Perry,

477
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 6: Richard Perry who had all these hits with the Point

478
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 6: of Sisters, and he approves the emotional album with the

479
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 6: wu Wu song.

480
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: Okay okay and swato right, and yeah, that was my joy.

481
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 6: But I pulled it from him after a certain point

482
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 6: and took it. So we went on friends to this day.

483
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 6: But about he uh yeah, I mean, I mean, I

484
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 6: you know, I was like take twenty four and I'm like, dude,

485
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 6: I'm not sang this song twenty times.

486
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: You have it. But he never knew what he had.

487
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 6: He had to sit up and listen to this, taking

488
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 6: this take and then piece all this together and I'm like, man,

489
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 6: that ain't even real. So we you know, after a

490
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 6: while I was like, I got to get away. So

491
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 6: and that was a A and M Records decision because

492
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 6: that was the first record I did without George. He

493
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 6: did my first three solo records, and then here comes

494
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 6: Richard Perry and it was like, you know, George was

495
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 6: a dream that he was to me, the best producer

496
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 6: I've ever worked with as far as knowing how to

497
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 6: work with a vocalist, because most of the other producers

498
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 6: were kind of intimidate and didn't know what to tell

499
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 6: me to do. But George was I mean, dude, dude,

500
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 6: he's scary. He had like perfect pitch. He always said,

501
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 6: he says he's on that perfect, but he had the

502
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 6: perfect pitch.

503
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: And uh.

504
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 6: He would just make suggestions that were so right on,

505
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 6: you know, and I'm like, yeah, George, that's pretty cool.

506
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 6: That works, you know. So I had a great relationship

507
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 6: with George. But Richard was a different guy.

508
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: You know.

509
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 6: It was back in the day when people were doing

510
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 6: things that they shouldn't be doing in the booth and

511
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 6: he never knew when he had it. And it was

512
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 6: like that with the musicians. Also. He just was takeoff

513
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 6: to take off, the take off to take so he

514
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 6: was the one guy that I've never had that experience

515
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 6: with any other.

516
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: Who chose How did you guys even get a love ballot?

517
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: Would Skip? Skip? Scarborough wrote it?

518
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 6: Skip?

519
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: Scarboro wrote it? And did he have a relationship with

520
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: you guys? That was just like a song.

521
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 6: I think Mizelle's knew him and Maurice passed on it.

522
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 6: Maurice White passed on it. He gave him first.

523
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: Oops, I'm trying to mat I'm trying to imagine that. Yeah,

524
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: I probably just didn't work for him, you know, I

525
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: can kind of hear we would have the earth wind

526
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: fire right, Yeah, okay, it would be like a love

527
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: solid day. Yeah, yeah, I can see that now.

528
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 6: Skip was great, though, Script was brilliant. Cat I used

529
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 6: to wait play drums with Skip around town. It used

530
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: to play behind artists all the time. Yeah, me and Skip.

531
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 6: So Skip was cool guy, great songwriter.

532
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: Wait, there was I have a question about like we

533
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: had a cheap echosystem or like a reverb ecosystem and

534
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: the mics thing, and like how that came out in seventy.

535
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 6: Probably seven Love seventy seven okay, six, so the first.

536
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Song I even't heard it since I was a kid.

537
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: It but I remember the first song, someone's yelling the

538
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: words showdown on the fade. Yeah, right, And so in

539
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: my father's speaker system, like all you have to do

540
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: is test test one two one two one two, and

541
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: something told me, Okay, go over there and turn on

542
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: the ecosystem. But it's nightclub and I was permanently taken

543
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: off of I never told y'all that I got fired

544
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: from sound and he was like, no, you just work lights.

545
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Now you're not. You're not working mind, just sounds. That's funny. Yeah,

546
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: but uh, with you guys' presentation, which watching a lot

547
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: of bands, I will say that maybe heat Wave is

548
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: probably the only other band I knew that really put

549
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: a lot of emphasis on their choreography and their acrobatics.

550
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean heat Wave were.

551
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 6: They were literally flips and back flips.

552
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: You ever see heat Wave clips seen like a couple

553
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: of clips you ever see like bring it On? Or

554
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: like those cheerleading uh ESPN cheerleading squad where they're standing

555
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: on shoulders and they're doing that. Heat Wave was damn

556
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: near doing like human pyramids like but playing at the

557
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: same time, but still like Johnny Wilder's like on someone's

558
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: shoulders and someone's on his shoulders and crazy.

559
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 6: But you guys were like, well horn section was flashy.

560
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 6: They did all kind of steps.

561
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all, y'all were so together with Yeah, so what

562
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: was in that period when when when the wheels were

563
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: turning the hits were coming, where you guys like, okay,

564
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: we gotta have a presentation better than this group and

565
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: that group like oh yeah.

566
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: It was very competitive back then. The interesting thing was though,

567
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 6: that there was one guy that made all the damn

568
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 6: uniforms because.

569
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: People don't know guy the ain't Bill Whitten.

570
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 6: Bill Whitten made the Commodoa's uniforms Ltd's uniforms winning five.

571
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 6: We all had those big tubes.

572
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: And stuff and the mirrors on the I was wondering.

573
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 6: Yeah it was a guy named Bill Whitten, and uh,

574
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: you know, but yeah, it was you know, it was

575
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 6: it was competitive back then, but it was a it

576
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 6: was a fun kind of competitiveness. You know.

577
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: We we would challenge each other. You know, did you

578
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: ever think like, okay, well Parliament's cheating because they're using

579
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: theatrics and we need to do that. We need to levitate,

580
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: oh god, earth wind and fires using duty Duck Henning

581
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So was there any discussion of

582
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: because I know that in the opening for the Jacksons

583
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: and their affinity for explosive explosives and all those things, Like,

584
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: was there the thought process like we now have to

585
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: add on top of these songs, add these theatrical elements

586
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: to our shows.

587
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 6: I don't think we ever felt that. I think we

588
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 6: were just happy to finally be getting a paycheck and

589
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 6: put it all into production. But you're right, was that

590
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 6: that uh that Jackson tool was eye opening for me?

591
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: Uh?

592
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 6: You know that was actually the year Michael came out

593
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 6: with Off the Wall, that was his first solo record.

594
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 6: So we used to open for them and then they

595
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 6: would come out and do theirs, and then he would

596
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 6: go back and come back as a solo artist. Right,

597
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 6: And uh, it was a fascinating show. It was amazing. Uh,

598
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 6: just that whole just traveling with that. I've never seen

599
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 6: anybody that the fans went so crazy over as Michael.

600
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 6: I mean it was, it was. It was scary to

601
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 6: watch it.

602
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: How did for that particular tour, how did product I'm

603
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: thinking in terms of production, like as far as backline

604
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: is concerned, Like normally, if.

605
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 6: We carried all of it back then, most of it

606
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 6: really Yeah.

607
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: Got set up and did your loading and all that stuff. Yeah,

608
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: well no we didn't.

609
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 6: We had roadies, but I mean we you know, we

610
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 6: weren't renting back line back then.

611
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: You know. Well just even the point of like using

612
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: an established act, wouldn't want an opening act that had

613
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, I would just think like LTD, damn all

614
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: those microphones and then they got sound check, use their

615
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: soundboard and then I got to wipe the board. There

616
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: was no digital stuff back then, so it was like

617
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: as big as their production was, then what space that

618
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: leave you guys, all ten of you to set up

619
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: your instruments and your equipment and you're well, you.

620
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 6: Know, the biggest thing was them setting up. Because we won.

621
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 6: We went on first, so it was kind of easy

622
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 6: for us. I mean, you know, once we finished, then

623
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 6: they had to set that whole stage up for them.

624
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 6: But the thing but they made it tough for us.

625
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 6: They did make it tough for us because I mean

626
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 6: we had to. You know, I always tell people, they're

627
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: like I do shows with people. They're like, well, you

628
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 6: got this banner, take this band it down. I'm like, dude,

629
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 6: I sang shows with the Jackson sign literally hanging on

630
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 6: top of you, I'm ducking right.

631
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: And these things.

632
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 6: So yeah, so it was challenging because you know, they

633
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 6: were the headline and act and so you know, they

634
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 6: could leave their most of their stuff up, so we

635
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: had to play around it. So a lot of times

636
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 6: we didn't have that much room on stage. But we

637
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 6: were incredible live band. I mean, uh, And they kicked

638
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 6: us off that tour. Oh, they kicked us up before

639
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 6: they went to LA. They was like, you will not

640
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 6: be opening for us in LA. They kicked us off

641
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 6: the tour. We did a handful of Dans, We did

642
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 6: Madison Square, gotten here, and but we used to light

643
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 6: them groups up, commodoors. Who's to light them up? Telling

644
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 6: you there was nobody wanted us in front of them.

645
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 6: We're a great live group and uh, you know, so

646
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 6: that's that's how it was back in the day. Man.

647
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, you had to bring it. You had to

648
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: bring it. You said that a competition was was really

649
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: big back then. Who were some of the bands that

650
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: you guys were afraid of? Were you afraid of it?

651
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: You know?

652
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 6: We I mean everybody was good back then. So you

653
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 6: know we want shows with you know, with the Commodoors mainly,

654
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 6: and the big tour back then was LTD Commodoors. We

655
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 6: did maybe two three years of that tour and then

656
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 6: we'll be on packages. So we were the Old Jays

657
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 6: a lot comfunction. Uh you know, we did some days

658
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 6: whining Fire, so it was it was competition. But you know,

659
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 6: for most of the parts we were we were never headlining.

660
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 6: Uh most of those shows, we were somewhere in the middle.

661
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 6: We opened for the Commodoors, it was just us and

662
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 6: the Commodore's and uh Jackson was just us in the Jackson's.

663
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: But then we did a lot of those big places

664
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 6: like the Dome and Atlanta and we had you know,

665
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 6: the Old Jay's confunction LTD Commodoores and we'd be somewhere

666
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 6: in the middle, and we used to always talk shit.

667
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 6: And my favorite one of my.

668
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: Friend yeah, because you know, my favorite, one of my

669
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: favorite guys of all time is a LeVert.

670
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 6: I just I thought he was probably one of the

671
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 6: best entertainers I've ever seen because that dude brought it

672
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 6: every single night. I knew there was not going to

673
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 6: be one night that went by where he was not

674
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 6: going to bring it. So we used to talk ship

675
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 6: to each other and I'm a single love ballot the

676
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 6: night saying I'll be sweeter than But it was always

677
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 6: it was friendly. It was friendly. You know, it didn't

678
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 6: start getting ugly until god like the nineties and them

679
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 6: group started going crazy. It was shooting, going on checks.

680
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: My era.

681
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 6: Was all kind of wild.

682
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 7: I wonder how friendly it got because you know, you

683
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 7: listen to what was it Ankadelics, Let's take the stage

684
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 7: and it's like slicking the family brick, and you know, yeah,

685
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 7: they used to talk a lot. So I was just wondering,

686
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 7: you know, did anybody ever get offended? You know it

687
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 7: was anybody?

688
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 6: I thought it was funny. Actually it didn't offend me.

689
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 6: You know, I thought it was funny. They had names

690
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 6: for us. They said, we had a two on our phone.

691
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 6: Wait what O? T D had a two on the bunk,

692
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 6: like we cut it twice. That's been funny.

693
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: So with with I think the first time that we

694
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: sort of communicated was when the new edition biopic came on.

695
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: Were you were you surprised at all that they covered

696
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: holding on in that or did they ever tell you

697
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: like that was our.

698
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 6: Johnny kept hitting to me, you know what they were doing.

699
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 6: He said, man, you're gonna like this. You're gonna like this.

700
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 6: I said, really, He said, oh yeah, man, we did

701
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 6: it right. He said, you did it right. You're gonna

702
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 6: You're gonna see. But I remember meeting them when they

703
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 6: had first come out, and uh, you know, they brooke

704
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 6: their manager, the choreographer brooke did everything.

705
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

706
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 6: He they did a show and they opened up for

707
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 6: me and he came to He said, man, I need

708
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 6: you to come in the dressing room and talk to

709
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 6: these kids. That's so wow, man, he said.

710
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 5: They need and they love you.

711
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: Man.

712
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 6: They love you. They love holding On, they love all

713
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 6: your songs. So if you come and speak with a man,

714
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 6: it would mean a lot. So I went to the

715
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 6: dress room and talk to him and they was wild.

716
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, they was just kids.

717
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 6: Man. They was having fun. But you know they that

718
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 6: was the song they got their deal with, you know,

719
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 6: holding On.

720
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, when I was watching it, I was just

721
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: like yo, and I was I was more happy because, uh,

722
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: normally in cases like that, they'll try to dumb down

723
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: to the you know, the lowest common denominator. And normally,

724
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: like work in a movie music placement, usually the producers like, well,

725
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: why don't we pick a song that's more popular? Da

726
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: da da da whatever? Right, And so I knew that

727
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: movie was serious when they I was like, yo, they

728
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: actually And I called the Barry, I called the music supervisors,

729
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: like how did that even happen? He's like, yep, we

730
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: wanted to keep authentic and meal and that's the song

731
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: they always that was the song, always rehearsed.

732
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 6: They slicked up a little bit with Jimmy and uh,

733
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 6: Jimmy and Terry put a little put a little hardcore

734
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 6: groove on it.

735
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: It was funky.

736
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: I was like, but yeah, no, they and then you know,

737
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 6: I ran into Bobby at some functions. He was like, man,

738
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 6: they gave you my play and they gave me in

739
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 6: that movie.

740
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Were you shocked at all at the at the the

741
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: reception of how Stranger got embraced in the dance tall

742
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: community at all, or Stranger in the song Stranger? Uh?

743
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I didn't expect it to be that

744
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 6: kind of a song, you know, but.

745
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: It's And I hate to ask this because I want

746
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: to I want to ask a sampling question.

747
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 6: And then opened the door like it's been sampled a

748
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: million times. Oh, Okay, you know about a million that

749
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 6: lit if I got paid for every time someone's saying

750
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 6: that no no, no, no, no, no no no, I'd

751
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 6: be going.

752
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: Through the bank. Yeah.

753
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 6: I was gonna everybody ripped that.

754
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: That is he that is held down dance all music

755
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: for so long that I was like, yo, I really

756
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of hope.

757
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 6: Uh you know that's what that. You know, that copyright

758
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 6: thing comes in. You know, you get four bars, you

759
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 6: got to change it on the fourth bar and you're safe.

760
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: Who did a I'm trying to figure out who initially

761
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: did it? Oh no, no, no, no, no no no,

762
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: no kill he was the biggest, really but he but no,

763
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: it's the dance all guy.

764
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 6: Uh oh, I know you talked about it. I can't remember.

765
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 5: I can't remember the.

766
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: Name because my very first gold record came from him

767
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: as well. Well he he sampled, Uh who am I?

768
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 6: Uh?

769
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: Who are you guys have music college? I know, but

770
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: we're I'm failing today now we have to look it

771
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: up now. I was saying that my my very first

772
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: gold record for the longest was the only gold record

773
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: I can claim, not my own. For your eventual exit

774
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: uh from the group, going into your solo career. You

775
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: said that it wasn't amicable, so you gave yourself like

776
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: at least a year to.

777
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 6: Well, I had to sit out a year before I

778
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 6: could even sign with the and because of this songwriters agreement,

779
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 6: because they really wanted to sign me as a writer

780
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 6: on the publishing side and as an artist, so they

781
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 6: wanted to deal the run concurrently. And uh so I

782
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 6: was tied up with them and they wouldn't give me

783
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 6: a release. And they told me that if I gave

784
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 6: them a piece of my contract, they give me a release.

785
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 6: So there's been some ugly stuff going on. So I said,

786
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 6: I'll set this year out.

787
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Wait you were, you were signed, you had you had

788
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: to sign the LTD and within him Like, no, I had.

789
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 6: I had a songwriters agreement signed with LTD and it

790
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 6: was another year on it. Okay, and so and M

791
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 6: wackets wanted to sign me concurrently with a publishing deal

792
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 6: and as an artist. And so they came to an

793
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 6: M and said, well, we'll make a deal. If he

794
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 6: gives us a piece of this and a piece of that,

795
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 6: we'll give it. And I'm like, I'm not giving up

796
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 6: a piece of nothing no more. So I just sat

797
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 6: a year out.

798
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: So, so is that why the Devotion and the Shine

799
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: On record was so released in proximity because in my head,

800
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: and you can't even find the Devotion album anymore on

801
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: streaming services or anything.

802
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's hard to find it.

803
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Just like, okay, let's get this out with it.

804
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 6: Then that's it.

805
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.

806
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 6: They they you know, they they put a little time

807
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 6: into the record. It didn't affect that record. It affected

808
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 6: their next record though, because you know, the company wasn't

809
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 6: happy about what happened. So because they had their their

810
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: last record on A and M was after I left

811
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 6: the song, but they had a pull love on that song.

812
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 6: And yeah, but that kind of affected their deal, you know,

813
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 6: because they basically h went back and said it was

814
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 6: another it was a whole is a whole other thing.

815
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 6: Now they went over budget with that record. So the

816
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 6: record company said, oh okay. They called me. They said, okay,

817
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 6: we got a wedge. Now they're over budget, so maybe

818
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 6: I can work a deal with them and we'll give

819
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 6: them the rest of the money if they give you

820
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 6: the release. So said cool. So they worked the deal

821
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 6: and no, but they didn't hold up to their end

822
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 6: of the deal. LTD, which is why there was only

823
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 6: one record left that they have.

824
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: They so.

825
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 6: It could have been could have been great group, though,

826
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it's a great group.

827
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: So with your solo record, I mean, was it a

828
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: feeling of relief finally like or was it fear like, Okay,

829
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm here alone, Yeah, I'm responsible for everything?

830
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 6: And well it was a little bit of both because

831
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 6: I couldn't I didn't have you know, now I'm out front.

832
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 6: It's like I got it now because my name was

833
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: never out front of the group. It was always just LTD.

834
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 6: But you know, you're on stage and you always feel

835
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 6: the comfort of having ten of the nine other people

836
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 6: behind you. So now it's just me and not in

837
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: not ever having my name out there, I didn't know

838
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 6: if people people didn't know my name, they knew my voice,

839
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 6: they didn't know my name. So the biggest, uh, the

840
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 6: biggest thing we had, the obstacle we had was to

841
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: associate the name with the voice, which is why my

842
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 6: first record was just called Jeffrey Osborne because back then

843
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 6: radio used to backline everything, in front lock everything, so

844
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 6: it'd be okay, this is really don't need No Light

845
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 6: by Jeffery Osborne. From the album Jeffery Osborne, so they

846
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 6: have to keep saying your name, so it kind of yeah,

847
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 6: it's so it happened kind of quick. But George. You know,

848
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 6: working with George was great too. It helped to have

849
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 6: I just felt solid. You know, when you have like

850
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 6: a guy that is that musically incredibly solid doing your project.

851
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 6: You I felt good about that. I'm like, well, I

852
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 6: know it's gonna be musically right.

853
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: You personally chose him, yeah, or were there any other options?

854
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 6: Like did you well, you know, they the record company

855
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 6: was really cool. They said, you know, do we want

856
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 6: to We want to find the right person for you,

857
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 6: you know, so I talked to a few other people,

858
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 6: but when I met George, I was like sold on George,

859
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 6: you know, just you know, and I had we had

860
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: done shows with George, so I had met George before.

861
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 6: But he was what a guy talent.

862
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm dying right now because I just wikipedia his

863
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: first solo record. I didn't realize that Steve Farni was

864
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: the drummer on that album and.

865
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 6: Steve Farroni And now this is what's funny. George didn't

866
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 6: even know Steve Froni. But I had done gigs with No.

867
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 6: He didn't know Steve Rooniy because George was into more

868
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 6: than do go chancellors. You know, the those kind of

869
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 6: fusion kind of drummer. It's more so so. And I

870
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 6: had been doing shows with AWB you know, a lot

871
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 6: of shows, and he was my favorite drummer. I used

872
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 6: to sit there and he was I just was fascinated.

873
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: He had the most incredible press role I ever heard

874
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 6: drummer too. I'm like, how do you do that? So

875
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 6: I was like, I told George, I said, man, I

876
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 6: would love to have this drummer, Steve Froni. He said,

877
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 6: I don't know, Man, I don't know Steve. I said, man,

878
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 6: I'm telling you. He said, well, he's in New York.

879
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 6: We gotta fly him in, we gotta put him up.

880
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: I said, it's gonna be worthy, George, It's gonna be worthy.

881
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 6: He said, I'm gonna trust you on this.

882
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, I have to listen to this

883
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: entire record because God even the double hit at the

884
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: end of one of the wings of Love right, wait

885
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: till I tell my family that's the step is my idol.

886
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: The reason why I drummed that he's one of my

887
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: idols man. Yeah, it was my boys, his black and

888
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: white kit that he used on the AWB tour, like

889
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: his only drum kit. He gave me that snare drum

890
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: my first day of the Tonight Show.

891
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 6: Are you serious?

892
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like I was raised on a w B. When

893
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: I saw him on Soul Train, I was like, that's

894
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: what I want to do for a living. So he

895
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: gave me that on my first day at the Tonight Show. Yo.

896
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: Incredible dude drumming on the wings love.

897
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of which we have now we have that

898
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 5: in common.

899
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: Yes, now for the next ninety minutes, Sugar, Steve, I mean,

900
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: are we at that? Yes, We're We're there. I set

901
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: you up for the alue.

902
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 8: This is it feels ridiculous this guy's telling us an Actually,

903
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 8: I mean no, don't be a shame.

904
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: Listen, Steve has I've been waiting for you to tell

905
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: this story to our listeners. We've been, we've been throughout

906
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: the history of the show. Right, They've known that on

907
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: the Wings of Love means something to Steve, but we

908
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: never thoroughly explained really why.

909
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 8: First of all, you're going to feel silly telling me no,

910
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 8: I just got I'm a Jewish person. I have ten

911
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 8: disclaimers I want to put first.

912
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: Jeff have you ever had someone just nerd out on

913
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: you and it's been a little awkward.

914
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: No, it's not awkward.

915
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 8: I've told the story literally one hundred times, one hundred

916
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 8: times in my life, so it's not awkward.

917
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: It's awkward telling it to you, but.

918
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: Just pretending he's not here. Yeah, no, but you tell

919
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: us about on the wings. I'm just talking to me

920
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: and Bill. I'm about to Okay, thanks.

921
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell it to Jeffrey that Actually, if you

922
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 8: don't mind, all right, I'm gonna eat my oatmeal.

923
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 6: Okay.

924
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 8: But and I'm sure you've heard a thousand and one

925
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 8: stories about this song and people's experiences with this song weddings,

926
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 8: I'm sure, and this, that and the other thing.

927
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: But for me, what what? What is it?

928
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 8: Nineteen eighty two now is Yes? So I was eleven

929
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 8: or twelve or something like that in seventh or eighth

930
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 8: grade and and so junior high and we have music.

931
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 8: It was a music class and one of the assignments

932
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 8: mister Gallo was the teacher, and the assignment was called

933
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 8: a roll out, which was basically, you take you choose

934
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 8: a song, and you do illustrations based on the lyrics,

935
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 8: and then you go in front of the class, you

936
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 8: play the song, and as the song plays, you roll

937
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 8: out the scroll of illustrations as the lyrics go by.

938
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 8: So that was my favorite song at the time. It

939
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 8: was on the top ten or whatever, and I was

940
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 8: completely digging it. And so I chose that song, and

941
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 8: I worked for weeks on this rollout, and I had

942
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 8: the markers and the crayons, and I went to town.

943
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 8: I mean it's you know, as the first verse starts

944
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 8: and all the sunshine, you know, everything was sun and

945
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 8: love and wings and hearts.

946
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: And I'm having a hard time seeing this coming from you.

947
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: And you didn't and you didn't say there was this

948
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: junior high. I thought this was elementary.

949
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 8: No, there's like seventh grade or something like that. Okay,

950
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 8: junior high right out of elementary school. But whatever, whatever

951
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 8: grade you're in when you're eleven or twelve. So so

952
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 8: I did this, I mean I really, I have to say,

953
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 8: I did a great job on this thing, real proud

954
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 8: of it, and went into school the day that we

955
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 8: were presenting it, and so sitting in the class and

956
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 8: mister Gallows says, all right, the boys going to go first,

957
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 8: And so the first boy went up and put He says,

958
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 8: all right, you know, my song is Black Sabbath war

959
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 8: Pigs and proceeds to play warp Pigs and rolls out

960
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 8: this this rollout, and next next boy comes up and

961
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 8: he says, yeah, this is a my song is van

962
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 8: Halen running with the Devil? You know, does his thing?

963
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 8: Next kid comes up, deep purple smoke on the water.

964
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 8: You see where this is going. So next next up

965
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 8: Stephen Mandel, you know, come to the front of the class.

966
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 8: By this point, I know, I know that things are

967
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 8: have gone horribly right from me already and are about

968
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 8: to go much more horribly awry, of course, with all

969
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 8: due respect to the greatness of your song.

970
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 5: So I go up to the front of the class, hearts.

971
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 8: Beating, everybody looking at me, put my cassette in, you know,

972
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 8: in the boom box. Piano starts and uh and uh,

973
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 8: you know, the intro, and then the first first starts.

974
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 8: I start rolling out my scroll. Here comes the sun,

975
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 8: Here comes the hearts, Here comes the wings. And I

976
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 8: see all the girls looking at me like falling in love.

977
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 8: And I see all the dudes pointing and laughing and

978
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 8: screaming sorry, and uh it was you know, it was

979
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 8: clearly at that moment when I realized, you know that.

980
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 5: I wasn't cool. I guess according to SO, I was essentially.

981
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 8: Excommunicated for the next I don't know, six years from

982
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 8: the from the social scene of my junior high and

983
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 8: then high school.

984
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 5: I was. I was beat up, mocking laughed at, of course,

985
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 5: m beat up and whooped.

986
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 8: But here's here's the the end, or the punchline rather,

987
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 8: which is, uh, the joke was on them because I

988
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 8: got an A plus and uh. And it took it

989
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 8: took a few years to recover from that socially, but

990
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 8: never I never turned my back on the song, though

991
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 8: I never said, I never said that.

992
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 6: Song every time you heard it the opposite.

993
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: He went deep into what's which actually leads me to

994
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: my next question, because the song got so much traction

995
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: on m R, which is, what is it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

996
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: so uh leased in eighty two there's there's there's a

997
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: pattern that I noticed of seventies X uh, seventy soul

998
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: X that go solo or sort of go to a

999
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: promised land, like I never thought it was a thing

1000
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: of okay, what do I have to do to survive

1001
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: or justify my record deal? And I never you know,

1002
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: I've read some of that stuff in Jet magazine like

1003
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: Go and Pop or whatever or crossing Over. But you

1004
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: know between Coolna Gang, the Pornous Sisters, Lionel, Michael Jackson, whatever,

1005
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean there there's there's this migration into a new, unchartered, black, smooth,

1006
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: black pop territory that you're kind of planting your flag

1007
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: and not occupying. I mean, at the time with On

1008
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: the Wings of Love, did you feel as though, okay,

1009
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: this is this might have the potential to be something

1010
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: more than it was, or to you it was just like,

1011
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: got another ballot here, this is it now?

1012
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 6: I think, you know, under Wings of Love to me

1013
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 6: was a chance to showcase another side of myself that

1014
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 6: I hadn't really had that opportunity with LTD because LTD

1015
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 6: most of the ballots were straight up R and B ballots.

1016
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 6: So this was the first chance I got it because

1017
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 6: I always felt, you know, I mean, I want to

1018
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 6: be able to sing everything, no matter what it is.

1019
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 6: I want to be able to sing that, and I

1020
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 6: never really got. The closest thing we came to it

1021
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 6: was the year before was shine On, which was again

1022
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 6: written with Richard Kerr, who was one of those you know,

1023
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 6: big songwriters back then, and that didn't do as well

1024
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 6: as the R and B records. On that record, I mean,

1025
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 6: the R and B songs like where did We Go Wrong?

1026
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 6: Those were bigger than shine On, But I just felt

1027
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 6: like it was a nice departure and still trying to

1028
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 6: keep the record so that it was you know, it

1029
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 6: had an R and B flavor to it because I

1030
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 6: didn't want to leave the R and B roots, but

1031
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 6: I did want something that might go across.

1032
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: It was.

1033
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 6: It was weird back in the seventies. I mean, it

1034
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 6: was a time we couldn't put our faces on the

1035
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 6: record covers. Yeah you know you remember that, you know,

1036
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 6: the rack jobs. They wouldn't rack it, and so it

1037
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 6: was weird. And we didn't even get a chance to

1038
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 6: have the pop department work our records at M Records.

1039
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 6: They never even worked our records. Back in Love just

1040
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 6: crossed over on its own. Really, they didn't know what happened.

1041
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 6: They looked up and it was on pop shots like okay,

1042
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: so then they want to take credit for it, right,

1043
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 6: like yeah, right, you did nothing, So yeah, so I

1044
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 6: kind of made you know, it's one of those songs.

1045
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 6: When I heard it, I was like, I wrote it

1046
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 6: with this guy piano player, and when he played it

1047
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 6: for me, I was like, I like that, that's kind

1048
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 6: of showcases another side.

1049
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: So well, now I'm realizing that, uh, you had every

1050
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: monster on this album. People there and yeah, Ernie Watson

1051
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: and Lark Graham and.

1052
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 6: Bark Graham did yeah, Michael.

1053
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: Lewis, Lewis Johnson, Louis.

1054
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 6: Johnson, Yeah, Mike so Bellow, it was Hawk Withlensky, I

1055
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 6: wrote a couple of yeah, yeah, yeah.

1056
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: So he had some people on that record. So at

1057
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: the time, were you just like a kid in the

1058
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: candy store, like I want the best of the best

1059
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: to work on this record, And well I was.

1060
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 6: I mean, but you know, it wasn't just me. It

1061
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 6: was George. You know, George was.

1062
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: Like getting George has the connections to get.

1063
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 6: Exactly and a lot of those people had worked with

1064
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 6: George before, with the exception of Ferroni, you know, and

1065
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 6: I don't know if Mike and Bello had worked with

1066
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 6: him before, but Mike was incredible, dude, man, Michael play

1067
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 6: play and mikel singing too. Mike was talented.

1068
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is blew in my mind that I

1069
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he's on all all these records, Peter Schles.

1070
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 6: Peter Schlesh, Yeah, he's He wrote the song with Peter

1071
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 6: Schless and when it's funny, I played played it for

1072
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 6: George and he was playing it real fast. You know,

1073
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 6: damn no, no, no, don't, don't don't. Joyce said, nah,

1074
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 6: I ain't hearing that, Like jeege, I'm gonna slow it down,

1075
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 6: you know, get this melody's gonna be right. I'm gonna

1076
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 6: write these incredible lyrics. You're gonna You're gonna have to.

1077
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 6: You're gonna really have to turn my head on this one.

1078
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 6: So I finally brought it into him. He said, oh, okay, yeah,

1079
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 6: I like that.

1080
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: I like that.

1081
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 5: And that was the first single on this rend.

1082
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: I Really Don't Need No Light.

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00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 6: Really, don was the first single.

1084
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: I even when queuing up his singles for it for

1085
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: some reason. I Really Don't Need No Light and don't

1086
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: you get so mad? In my head they're the same song,

1087
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: the same song, and then I realized, like, oh wait

1088
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 1: a minute, they are two different songs.

1089
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 6: They're two different songs, but yeah, they got that same

1090
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 6: vibe and they were written by totally different people, which

1091
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 6: is interesting.

1092
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: You know, how did another barried Man in Cynthia?

1093
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 6: Uh what, yeah?

1094
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: Did Okay? So in the songwriters period of the eighties,

1095
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: and was it just that you go to a publishing

1096
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: house and they give you a slower cassettes to listen

1097
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: to and you.

1098
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's basic, do you Yeah? Generally back then, you know,

1099
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 6: all these publishing companies they kind of put the word out,

1100
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 6: you know, on an artist is getting ready to do

1101
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 6: a record, you put the word out and then you

1102
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 6: start getting stuff submitted, you know, from all the other

1103
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 6: different publishing companies. And that's basically how it worked. And

1104
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 6: but with Barry Man Cynthia, while, they actually came to

1105
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 6: me and said they had a song that they thought

1106
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 6: would be good for me. And I mean, you know,

1107
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 6: there's a duo that had probably number one hit records

1108
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 6: going as far back as you know, the leader of

1109
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 6: the pack that stuff. I mean, you know every year

1110
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 6: they had a number one record. Who I was like,

1111
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 6: I'm sure not going to turn this down. So yeah,

1112
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 6: so it was it was it was great getting a

1113
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 6: song from them. And that's an intricate kind of a song.

1114
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 6: I mean, so they tailor made it just for you.

1115
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 6: I don't know if they tailor made it tailor made

1116
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 6: it for me. I think that they had written this

1117
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 6: song and they thought that it would be good for me,

1118
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 6: not like I went to him in front to write

1119
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 6: me a song.

1120
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1121
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 6: They came in with the song and I was like, yeah,

1122
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 6: this is this is a nice piece of work.

1123
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: I could tell that an M was really behind the

1124
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: baby stayed with me tonight because the commercials.

1125
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 6: That's funny though, because they and them told me I

1126
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 6: should take go back and sing that song again. I

1127
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 6: sang it too low. What I'll tell you this is

1128
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 6: just stories when you think, yeah, they told me, Nah,

1129
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 6: you didn't. This ain't right. You got to go back

1130
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 6: and sing it's too low. Your voice is too low.

1131
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 6: I'm like, too low, that's my voice. Who was your

1132
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 6: A and R on this project back then? I'm trying

1133
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 6: to think, well, Charlie Mino was to pop in our guy.

1134
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 6: I think it was this guy named Barry. I can't

1135
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 6: think of his last name. It was so long ago.

1136
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 6: Really yeah, but they basically told me, uh, I think

1137
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 6: you missed it and you should go back and re

1138
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 6: sing it. And I'm like, I'm not gonna go back

1139
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 6: and re sing this. This is how it's supposed to be.

1140
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 6: That's weird because we want me to do now taking

1141
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 6: any other octave and false that up.

1142
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: The commercial spots that they had for the album almost

1143
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: made it almost like James Bondish, like Osborne Osborn, like

1144
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: the and the logo on like it showed a lot

1145
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: during like Soul Train and Solid Gold.

1146
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 6: So that was Raymond Jones who actually wrote that song,

1147
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 6: and uh, it was kind of all of his vision.

1148
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, he came in.

1149
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 6: He wanted Alfonso Johnson play bass. I mean he kind

1150
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 6: of had it. Oh you played bass, Okay, yeah, Alfonso

1151
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 6: Johnson and uh, you know Raymond had Raymond was a

1152
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 6: talented guy. You know he was with Chica all those

1153
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 6: years and uh, real talented guy. There was a different

1154
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 6: song for that period because I asked, funny because I

1155
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 6: hear that song now on the radio and it kind

1156
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 6: of almost sounds like what's going on today. It's it's

1157
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 6: actually sounds fresher than anything else I've done, and still

1158
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 6: it's an eighties song.

1159
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the test of time.

1160
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it had all the gimmicks and that was you

1161
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 6: know Hawkwlinsky was the gimmick guy too. Really, oh that

1162
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 6: guy was coming. He was the first person I ever

1163
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 6: seen coming with that Len drum machine. And uh sequence

1164
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 6: Plain Love was completely sequenced, and George was freaking out.

1165
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 6: George was like, yeah, he wrote.

1166
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: It, that'sh Yeah he was. George was like, George was

1167
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: not into that.

1168
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 6: He was like, I don't know, man, this is I

1169
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 6: don't know about this sequence stuff.

1170
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 5: Man.

1171
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't.

1172
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 6: He wasn't crazy about just the way it was laid out.

1173
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 6: But I mean as we got into it, he was like, Okay,

1174
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 6: I see who he's going after. But you know, there

1175
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 6: was like Sinn drums on there, some weird and even

1176
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 6: the twelve inch mix of it, Like the twelve inch

1177
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 6: was that's the only twelve inch mix that I liked

1178
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 6: of any song that was ever mixed of mine. I

1179
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 6: hate all the mixes. That's the only one I like.

1180
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: Even to this day. I dja the twelve inch mix

1181
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: of it.

1182
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 6: No, it works like that was the number one dance

1183
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 6: song in New York when it was out.

1184
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: Yes, it was. That was like that was a bee

1185
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: Boy classic, had a break in the middle and all

1186
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: that stuff.

1187
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 6: When I come to New York to do shows, I

1188
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 6: have to do plain love and I don't do it

1189
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 6: most of the time, but I have to do it here.

1190
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna Okay, so eventually one of these days, uh,

1191
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna have you sit in on the

1192
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: tonight show.

1193
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 6: Right.

1194
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for this moment forever. And we were

1195
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of on our group chatter and like, okay, what

1196
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: are the six? What do we make them do? What

1197
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: do we make it? Time?

1198
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 5: And you know, one slots filled right here?

1199
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: Yes, we know, we know.

1200
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 6: But this morning I was the east of a song

1201
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 6: to play.

1202
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: It's funny you say.

1203
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 6: Keyboard nightmare, but in my head I.

1204
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: Was like, yo, well he because in my head like

1205
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: even a deep cuts like so wato right? Uh? Playing

1206
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: love like all? I was just like he probably don't

1207
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: do that no more. He'll just I do it. I

1208
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: do it.

1209
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 6: It just depends. But I've been doing it a lot lately,

1210
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 6: actually playing love. Yeah, I've been doing it a lot lately. Hmm.

1211
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 7: Okay, I have a question about a song real quick. Yeah,

1212
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 7: was I Just Want to Be Your Friend? Ever released

1213
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 7: on an album?

1214
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 6: Was on that soundtrack? There was a soundtracks that sound.

1215
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't find that soundtrack anyway.

1216
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 6: The Toy, The Toy with Richard.

1217
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: It was it was the theme song.

1218
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 7: Know that songboy that The Toy is one of my

1219
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 7: favorite movies ever.

1220
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: So of course I've seen the intro like a billion

1221
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: times and it opens the movie. So it does. It's

1222
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: so funny.

1223
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 6: I mean, my my wife, you know, every now and

1224
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 6: then she'll be that movie will come on and she Okay,

1225
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 6: I can't believe that you're singing this stuff. I used

1226
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 6: to love that song.

1227
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: Come on, you worked with with Rod Temperton. How did

1228
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: you get I know that he opened the.

1229
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 6: Yeah he did.

1230
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: I got to look up the emotional it wasn't it

1231
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: was we belong to Love? We Belonged to Love was

1232
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: the song? Yeah? Yeah, he I know that Rod Temperton

1233
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: did that one. Did you Did he collaborate with you

1234
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: directly or was it just like no, he wrote it.

1235
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 6: I was trying to collaborate with him. But you know,

1236
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 6: Rod's different kind of guy. Rod's like, okay, well well mate,

1237
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 6: will we'll well mate, we'll we'll.

1238
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: Try to make this work.

1239
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 6: He didn't pull and he calls me and says, well,

1240
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 6: I got the songs.

1241
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: Did he Pool's team as he did it. Yeah, no,

1242
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: he always right, that's right. Right, Wait a minute, I'm sorry.

1243
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that I'm seeing as in real

1244
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: time Haymush Stewart.

1245
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, I did not know

1246
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 6: that really has brought the song to me. I was like,

1247
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 6: I like this song really. Yeah, I know it's kind

1248
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 6: of weird, isn't it. Did you think about him that song? Yeah?

1249
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 6: Like so I believe it's something you don't know, because

1250
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 6: damn you know every day you know more about me

1251
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 6: than I do.

1252
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 4: No, I.

1253
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that.

1254
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 6: You know what it is.

1255
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: I have most of your discography on cassette, right, A

1256
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: lot of those credits.

1257
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 6: Aren't it's so tiny, So yeah, I did.

1258
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: I didn't have it in no, if it was on record,

1259
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: if I have the records, actual.

1260
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 5: Writing is really small on here too.

1261
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: No.

1262
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 6: But I mean that's a lot bigger than anything you're

1263
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 6: gonna get today, though.

1264
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: If you get anything.

1265
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: I have a question.

1266
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 8: Whose decision or or request or desire was it to

1267
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 8: have Brian May from Queen on Stay with Me?

1268
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 6: That was was actually my manager, Jack Nelson, who used

1269
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 6: to manage Queen, and he did the guitar solo. He

1270
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 6: did the guitar solo on Yeah. Okay, so he said,

1271
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 6: you know, he said, well, maybe I can talk Brian

1272
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 6: into doing it. I said, really, that would be really

1273
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 6: good if Brian came in and did it. And he

1274
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 6: came in and did it. Great. Guy.

1275
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 5: We're a Queen fan, yeah, I was.

1276
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I knew a lot of their stuff.

1277
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 6: I wasn't like a big Queen fan, but I knew

1278
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 6: a lot of their material, and I was shocked at

1279
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 6: some of the songs that Brian May wrote. I mean,

1280
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 6: I didn't know he wrote we Will Rock You. It's

1281
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 6: like in every stadium across the country. Dude's incredible.

1282
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 5: I can't read who played bass on Stay with Me Tonight.

1283
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 6: I'll find so Johnson.

1284
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry you said that.

1285
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so with You should be mine, which, of course,

1286
01:07:55,160 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: the magic's in the woo woo woo ad libs. I mean,

1287
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: how does that presented to you in a way where

1288
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this will work, or because the thing

1289
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: is is like hearing you sing and I'm like, oh yeah,

1290
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: hell I have that. But I can't imagine you hearing

1291
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: the demo and saying like, yeah, this is gonna work

1292
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: for me? Like how to?

1293
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 6: I didn't really know until I sang it. And once

1294
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 6: I sang it, I liked it. And I you know,

1295
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 6: back then, you know, you bring everything home and you

1296
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 6: bring it home and you put it on in the house,

1297
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 6: you know, and house tested. And my three year old daughter,

1298
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 6: she she's the one that confirmed it. I mean, she

1299
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 6: barely can talk and she's like, Daddy, what that woo

1300
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 6: song is so good? I'm like, what, I liked it?

1301
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 6: I said, it's not called the wool song. It's called

1302
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 6: you should be Mine. She said, no, that's the woo song.

1303
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: How bet you? Every black person ever met.

1304
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 6: Says everyone everyone. I mean, you know, they'll just somewhere.

1305
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, that was that's a huge song man. I

1306
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 6: became the Woo Woo man all of a sudden.

1307
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: I was like, what they did? And why why did

1308
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: you and Duke stop working together after the the Emotional album.

1309
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 6: That was a record company kind of decision. They felt

1310
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 6: that we got there, but we didn't get where they

1311
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 6: thought I should be and they thought Richard they want Richard.

1312
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 6: Perry was the hardest thing out right then. So it

1313
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 6: was all for good reasons, but it kind of broke

1314
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 6: up a really good relationship that I had with George,

1315
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 6: and so I was kind of reluctant, and then it

1316
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 6: turned out so bad. I was like, wow, that was

1317
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 6: not good. But yeah, it was kind of them. They

1318
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 6: came to me and they said, well, you know, these

1319
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 6: guys are.

1320
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: Hot, man.

1321
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 6: They got all these hit records, and you know, Richard

1322
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 6: is great at finding good songs and this and that,

1323
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 6: and so you know, I gave it a shot.

1324
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: And in their mind, did they say like, okay, well

1325
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: you should be in Linel territory now, or like where

1326
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: where was their point of satisfaction?

1327
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 6: I think they felt that I should have been that

1328
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 6: I could reach another plateau in their mind, you know.

1329
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1330
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 6: And I have to credit them with by saying, you know,

1331
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 6: they were looking out, you know, trying to do the

1332
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 6: best that they thought was in my interest. And I

1333
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 6: was kind of curious about it because I'm like, wow,

1334
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 6: these guys do have this Richard Perry doesn't have a

1335
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 6: serious track record of hits. And he brought in the

1336
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 6: big people, the Diane Warrens and all them, and you know,

1337
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 6: the only thing that worked off that record was the.

1338
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: Wools, Right.

1339
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 6: I still dunk wayo yeah. I mean, you know else,

1340
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 6: the Wada was great too. It was a couple of

1341
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 6: good songs out there. But you know, for the most part,

1342
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 6: it didn't. The relationship didn't work out with me and Richard.

1343
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: And was it just like because I oft didn't wonder

1344
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: when you have mega a mega producer of that level,

1345
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: and I guess he did the breakout record with Porn

1346
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: and Sisters, right, So when you have a megaproducer that

1347
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: is probably often in demand, it's probably paint by numbers

1348
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: if he's an industry like, Okay, I got you this

1349
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: week and then I got there. So do you feel

1350
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: as the least with the chemistry between you and George

1351
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: was that you guys sat down and took time to

1352
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: socialize with each other and got to know and be.

1353
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 6: On top of that, we were really good friends, you know.

1354
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 6: So we had a really good, relaxed relationship, you know,

1355
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 6: and you come into Richard and it's more of a

1356
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 6: hyper kind of thing where you know, he's and he

1357
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 6: was never satisfied with anything. So that was confusing me.

1358
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 6: I'm like, someone have all this success and he's never satisfied.

1359
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 6: You know, he would have you know, back then, you

1360
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 6: had your master twenty fourth track and he would have

1361
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 6: like five slaves. I'm like, dude, when are you gonna

1362
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 6: put all these up?

1363
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: Right?

1364
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 6: So it was it was an interesting process working with

1365
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 6: Richard and we thought it would it would actually, you know,

1366
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 6: just lead to more and more success. Basically you made.

1367
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: A move to Arista for yeah, I did.

1368
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 6: That was an interesting move too.

1369
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: Was it Clive selling you the dream of I can

1370
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: make this happen?

1371
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly because I actually was torn between Clive in

1372
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 6: Motown because Barry Gordy was made a big pitch for me.

1373
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: Wait in nineteen ninety yeah.

1374
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 6: But Motown wasn't really smoking hot then, it was. It

1375
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 6: was on the down side at that point. And Clive,

1376
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 6: you know, Clive did his number, he offered you know

1377
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 6: me the you know the right number right right. Yeah,

1378
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 6: but then we clashed, and Clive kind of clash because

1379
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 6: he doesn't like a strong personality. He likes somebody that's

1380
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 6: just gonna do whatever he says, and you know, I

1381
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 6: have a problem. Song was right, But then you know,

1382
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 6: this is a guy that wants a saxophone solo on

1383
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 6: every record. The couldn't be no other, no other, So

1384
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 6: it's gotta be saxophone record. Take that off, put the

1385
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 6: saxophone on it, exactly.

1386
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: Sorry, So we had a we had a that's the Arister,

1387
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: that's the Arista Sax.

1388
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 5: Like, sorry, Arista Sax.

1389
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 6: Think about it. It's the Kenny g thing for sure. Yeah,

1390
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 6: so we you know, the first record, I had a

1391
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 6: great time with the Barry Uh, Barry Eastman. He did

1392
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 6: basically the whole record. So I came back here to

1393
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 6: New York and worked with Barry, and I love Barry.

1394
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 6: He was a great guy to work with. But I

1395
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 6: don't think really Clyide went after that record. I mean,

1396
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 6: only Human was was a hit, and then he kind

1397
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 6: of like fell off after that by going after he

1398
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 6: thought if my Brothers in Trouble was a hit, and

1399
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 6: he kind of pushed that song on me. It wasn't

1400
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 6: a song that I selected. And that's another way you

1401
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 6: run into problems with Clyde. He's so involved and he

1402
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 6: wants to basically tell you what you should have on

1403
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 6: your record and pick your songs. So I had a

1404
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 6: hard time with that because you know, I never had

1405
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 6: anybody telling me, well, you need to do this song

1406
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 6: and take that off, put this song on, do that

1407
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 6: and so we kind of clashed heads, and I think

1408
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 6: my personality was a little too strong. He doesn't clive,

1409
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 6: he doesn't like confrontation, and he does he give.

1410
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: You at least the warning in the beginning, like, look like,

1411
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: just let me drive the car, and I swear we'll

1412
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: get you to I've heard there before exactly.

1413
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 6: He gave me that whole pitch and then he you know,

1414
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 6: he makes it sound right. You know, you don't realize

1415
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 6: you're going to go into a situation where like my

1416
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 6: second record, after Only Human, was three years before he

1417
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 6: could decide on what songs I was supposed to sing.

1418
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 6: So at that point it got crazy and so we

1419
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 6: worked on an agreement to to get it released. So

1420
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 6: I only did one record.

1421
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: Whatever, okay was, especially in the late eighties and the

1422
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: early nineties, was the onslaught of new jack swing and

1423
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: what was happening with traditional R and B. Was that

1424
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: troublesome for you at the time, Like, well, I'm not

1425
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: gonna have to do the running man now on these

1426
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: videos pull James ingram Y record, that's right, record, it's real? Yeah,

1427
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: what yeah, okay, okay.

1428
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 6: Well, you know I just never gave into that. I

1429
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 6: you know, it was all around me, and it was

1430
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 6: temptation maybe I should go this way, but I kind

1431
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 6: of said, you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna.

1432
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna try to stay doing what I do,

1433
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 6: you know. I mean, I think what happens with veteran

1434
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 6: artists is that, you know, you get to a point

1435
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 6: where there's there's always something new coming in, there's always

1436
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,440
Speaker 6: a new flavor. Especially with R and B and black audiences,

1437
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 6: they're on to the next hip thing all the time.

1438
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 6: So if you don't keep up, you kind of just

1439
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 6: kind of get pushed back. And then radio does the

1440
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 6: same thing. Unfortunately, you know, if it doesn't fit this format,

1441
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 6: you're not going to get played and they can't appreciate,

1442
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 6: you know, what you have to offer. Although they play

1443
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 6: your old stuff, they won't play this stuff, you know,

1444
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 6: And so then there's the sellout point. Well you know,

1445
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 6: you know, do you do this and then they say

1446
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 6: you're selling out. So it's a kind of a catch

1447
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 6: twenty two. As you get longer and longer into your career,

1448
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 6: it becomes it becomes a challenge. It's a demographic battle.

1449
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 6: You know, you're fighting for the people that actually go

1450
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 6: out and buy the records, which are the younger crowd,

1451
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 6: the younger crowd, and it happens, and every entertained his life.

1452
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 6: I see people getting all My favorite singers got phased

1453
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 6: out when I was hot. You know, they were like

1454
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 6: still doing their thing, but radio wasn't embracing it, and

1455
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 6: they didn't want to flip over to do this, And

1456
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 6: so I guess it's a natural process of evolution. The

1457
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 6: only person I've seen whether the whole damn storm, is

1458
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 6: Damn Tony Bennett. I can't figure out. This guy is

1459
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 6: like nowhere, nowhere, He'll still be still singing. Yeah, thats

1460
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

1461
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: Touring wise, what are your favorite territories?

1462
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think here in the US, you know,

1463
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 6: there's always markets that you like to come to. You know,

1464
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 6: New York is one. There are tough markets. New York's

1465
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 6: a tough market, isn't it. Well you better you better

1466
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 6: be good in New York or they'll let you know it. Yeah.

1467
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: I think, Well, I'm not relevant to what you guys

1468
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: want to at least fourteen instant classics like back up, But.

1469
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you still better be good when you go

1470
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 6: out there to do them.

1471
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: You can't phone it in from home. No, okay, you

1472
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: know you got you gotta do all at the end

1473
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: of love ballot or else like way, Mama, you missed one.

1474
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 6: That's funny. But yeah, I mean, you know these are

1475
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 6: to me New York, Philly, DC. Those are those are

1476
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 6: the markets that actually break you, you know, the West

1477
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 6: Coast market, so they kind of follow, kind of follow suit.

1478
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 6: But these are the tough market. So I like New York,

1479
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 6: I like Philly, I like DC. And then my favorite

1480
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 6: place is New Orleans because New Orleans is just crazy.

1481
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 4: Man.

1482
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 6: They just love everything down there. Yeah, they love it.

1483
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: They drink twenty four seven. So the party has already started. Yeah,

1484
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: but uh, what about what about outside of the United States?

1485
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: Like where is a market?

1486
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 6: You know, I like you, I love the Islands, you know,

1487
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 6: I just have a fun time now.

1488
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: I like the people.

1489
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm right at home and they've supported

1490
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 6: me forever there. I mean, China is like the national

1491
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 6: anthem in Jamaica exactly. It's like what nowhere else in

1492
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 6: the world China national anthem. But it's interesting, you know,

1493
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,480
Speaker 6: because I you know, I don't do a lot abroad.

1494
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 6: You know, I've done Europe, but not a lot of Europe,

1495
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 6: you know. And I'm just getting calls from Sweden like

1496
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 6: we want you over here. And I've never been to Sweden.

1497
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 6: So there's places, there's places I've never performed, a lot

1498
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 6: of places I've never performed.

1499
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, you got to do it. Wait where

1500
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: do you reside? Now?

1501
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 6: I live in La Okay, I've been in La since

1502
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy, so you know I left with LTD back

1503
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:52,440
Speaker 6: this nineteen.

1504
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: So since that, Wait, you never told us at the

1505
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: did you guys ever recover that trailer that women did? Mountainside?

1506
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 6: Did beat up some of our equipment, Uh, you know,

1507
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 6: but we recovered it and uh got it back up

1508
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 6: the mountain there and put it back on, hitched it

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01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 6: and went on our way to La.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you guys are just like, oh, there's that.

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01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: That's that.

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01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 6: No, we got it back, you know, we had to

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01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 6: get it back. We were broke ass people just quick.

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01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 1: So you just released worth it all? You did you

1515
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: work with on on on that record?

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01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 6: I worked with me and that's it. I mean really

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01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 6: I wrote everything and I produced everything on the record.

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01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 6: So Good's probably the first record that I wrote everything on.

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01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 6: It I have one song that I actually wrote with

1520
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 6: my son, and he's, uh, it's like it's it's interesting.

1521
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 6: He's he's a junior, never was into music, went to school,

1522
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 6: played basketball, came home from Collins and told me he raps. Now,

1523
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 6: I'm like, what really, I raised your ass and I

1524
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 6: never heard you rap once. Well, now you know, I've

1525
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 6: been in the dorm with my friends and uh, you know,

1526
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 6: we all started rapping, and so I'm into rap. So

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 6: so he's doing his thing now, he's you know, rapping

1528
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 6: and writing. He's now writing music and he's a great engineer.

1529
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 6: He does my sound live sound. Now, my sound engineer

1530
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 6: took him under this wing and he taught him well

1531
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 6: because now when my engineer can't do it, he does

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01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 6: my house and he's really good at it. So I figured, uh,

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01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 6: he here is different than I do. I'm like, okay,

1534
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 6: so let me give me a track.

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01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: Side note. That's also how I broke the news to

1536
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: my own dad that I was starting the Roots. Really,

1537
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, by the way, it's on your

1538
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: second album though, right, well, yeah, he saw on the newspaper.

1539
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 5: What is this.

1540
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: I was like, hell, a little project with Yeah, it's

1541
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: like it took my second album to for me to

1542
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: break that news to my dad. He wanted me and

1543
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: Juilliard and whatever. Yeah, I just have to say that

1544
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 1: this is it's amazing.

1545
01:21:58,880 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 6: Now.

1546
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,839
Speaker 1: I'm still salty that I'd let a Steve Frown project

1547
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: go on for so long that I never knew about.

1548
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: I just saw him too. Oh. Man.

1549
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 6: I did a show in La I was one of

1550
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 6: the wineries in Mecula and he was on the gig

1551
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 6: playing with Mindy A Bear.

1552
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, oh, okay, at least he's still gigging,

1553
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: because after.

1554
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 6: He just let he had just left Tom Petty and

1555
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 6: so at the time. So yeah, well Steve always has

1556
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 6: the best gigs. Yeah, he always has the best gigs

1557
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 6: he does. But he's still my favorite drummer.

1558
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: Mane.

1559
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 6: And then I saw but Not Purtty at one of

1560
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 6: my shows and uh, really Houston and that that just

1561
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 6: lit me up. I love that dude.

1562
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: You still play I mean the.

1563
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 6: Rock Steady song that was it. But yeah, he's evolutionized

1564
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 6: all that. No, I don't play. I haven't played since

1565
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy. I'm going to say when Love Ballot became

1566
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 6: a hit, I was seventy five they reck a company

1567
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 6: came to me and said, you have got to get

1568
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 6: up from behind the drums because I used to play

1569
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 6: and sing a long time. They said, you know, this

1570
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 6: song is a hit with the ladies. They can't see

1571
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 6: you with four horn players standing in front of you.

1572
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 6: You got to get out. I didn't even know what

1573
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 6: to do my hands. I was so used to singing

1574
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 6: and playing. So they got me this guy that was

1575
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 6: the president of a theater at the LA Community College,

1576
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 6: and he came in. He kind of worked with me

1577
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 6: and showed me how to kind of open up and

1578
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 6: you know, and from that point on, I played on

1579
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 6: the next couple of records, but I never got a

1580
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 6: chance to really sit down and play, and my career

1581
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 6: kind of took off. And it's it's one of those

1582
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 6: instruments that is really touch sensitive. I mean if you

1583
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 6: don't do it. I mean I could sit down and

1584
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 6: play a groove, but when I start trying to get

1585
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 6: around it. So never en concert. Were you like I

1586
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 6: used to do? I did at one point. I used

1587
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,560
Speaker 6: to play in the show, but I don't needmore and

1588
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 6: my band is stepping on me. You need to get back.

1589
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 6: You need to play at the show man.

1590
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: You need to but I got to.

1591
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I got to sit down and I

1592
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 6: have the ship. You got three months before I would

1593
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 6: even attempt. Man, it's like the bike.

1594
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,759
Speaker 1: No, it ain't okay.

1595
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 6: I mean playing the groove, playing the groom was like

1596
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 6: riding the bike. But when you start getting around exactly

1597
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 6: I'm here so but you know, I might.

1598
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: Get back into it.

1599
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 6: I just need to take the time out to sit

1600
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 6: down and do it because it was it was kind

1601
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 6: of what got me into this business.

1602
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: Really open up the doors for me. Well, we thank

1603
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: you for it, Steve. Any other things you.

1604
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 6: Man, he kind of opened up a lot yea therapeutics.

1605
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 5: It was my wings.

1606
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: Feel good, mister Osborne. We thank you so much. Man,

1607
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. Hopefully one day you'll come on

1608
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: the Tonight Show and sit in with the group. Maybe. Yeah,

1609
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: it's great man.

1610
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 6: Yes, I gotta get you guys to come down to

1611
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 6: my you know, I have a celebrity golf tournament trying

1612
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 6: to get you. It's in July this year, the twenty ninth,

1613
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 6: thirtieth and thirty.

1614
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: First Jeffrey Osborne Celebrity.

1615
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 6: It's an incredible tournament, man, and I have all the

1616
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 6: old school singers come, Smokey comes, OJ's come, Johnny Gill comes,

1617
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 6: Philip Bailey comes, and it's so it's more than just

1618
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 6: a tournament because we jam, you know, and then you know,

1619
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 6: Magic Johnson hosted for me every year. So I got

1620
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 6: Sugar Rayling, I got the most of the top athletes

1621
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 6: along with the best entertainers, and we just party. Man,

1622
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 6: it's a three day party. Man, it's it's incredible, said Foxwoods.

1623
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 6: Now I got at the casino, so it loves that, right.

1624
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: We thank you very much for coming on the show

1625
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: on behalf of Sugar Steve and Boss Bill and I'm

1626
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: Paybill and fan Tickeolo and who are not here?

1627
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no suckers.

1628
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeahs. Anyway, this is Quest Love Quest Love Supreme. We

1629
01:25:58,880 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: will see you on the nextico.

1630
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 6: Thank a right.

1631
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: Course. Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

1632
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:23,120
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1633
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,160
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