1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I heart Radio, and 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Feminist Movie. And then whatever 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: day you're listening to. I guess technically this is being 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: released on a Wednesday, so it's no longer a feminist 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: movie Friday. But you don't also you may not be 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: listening on a Wednesday. Who knows, right, it's true, we 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: have we have no control over this. Uh, you can 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: insert whatever day of the week that you're listening to it, 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: and that that's perfectly fine. Yes, And we talked about 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: this on our last movie and we wanted to come 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: back and make sure that we do a viewing and 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: have a conversation. But we are talking about the amazing 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: documentary crypt Camp Disability Revolution. But before we start, Annie, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I do need to ask did you do camps as 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: a kid? Did you go to like these little summer camps? 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Funny you should add said, because I just had a 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: conversation with my friends about how there's like very jokingly 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: camp kids and non camp kids. Um, I did not 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: do it. I as as I have said today, the 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: reasons might be different. I do not sleep well around 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: other people. That sounded like a nightmare to me. I 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: did like the idea of like learning out a ty 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: knots or shoot bow and arrows or whatever. But I 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of movies about camp that I 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: watched as a kid did not make it seem like 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: an experience I would enjoy. It sounded like there's gonna 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: be a lot of pranks and I was gonna be 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: terrified and for life. Oh no, I think it's important 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: to what kind of camp you go to. I will 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: say that I did go to a couple of church camps, 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: and it was very rare that I went because they 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: were expensive. But I also thought was one of those 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: that thought camp was kind of not useless. But just like, 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: why why would I do this? Um? Why would I 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: go away into a strange place and pay all this money? 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: Uh to do things like eat the food that I 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: don't like being in the on was getting eaten up 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: by bugs, like all of these things. But I really 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: like the ones that I was able to do things. 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: I went to a church camp that went and built 42 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: homes throughout the town's underprivileged areas. I loved that that 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: part of it was so much fun, and I built 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: a lot of friendships based on it. I did because 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: I went to several because after I went to one 46 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: of them, I went to several because I love the 47 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: aspect of going to build and do things all day 48 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: long and enjoy those times. Of course, the first one 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: was amazing, so I wanted to relive that one over 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: and over and over again. That didn't happen. But I 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: had some really good experiences. But I wouldn't say that 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: it was my cup of tea. I like camping to 53 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: a certain degree, but yeah, I would always be exhausted 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: when I left. But but like I said, I did 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: build some bonds. And I'm really excited about this documentary 56 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: because that's kind of where we see, uh, this type 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: of camp going. But yeah, so we are talking about 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: the Dance Award winning, Slash Oscar nominated documentary Crypt Camp 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: a Disability Revolution, which was released in directed by Nicole 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Newnham and James le Brett, who was camper himself at 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: what we are calling it crypt Camp or crypt jan 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: ad Um, and it was also executive produced by the 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Obama's Michelle and Baraque. It was it was and we 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: mentioned this not only in a recent um feminist movie Friday. 65 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I think also in our recent book Clip, but in 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: our A d A or breakdown on the ad A, 67 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: we talked about coming back to discuss this movie. Um, 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: it's on Netflix streaming if you haven't seen it, want 69 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: to watch it. Not currently a sponsor, but just letting 70 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: you know. The documentary follows le Brett, Judith Human, Denise Share, Jacobson, 71 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Rosenblum, Nancy Dangelo, Anna Kupolo Freeman, Ellie Abrashkin, Gene 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Mala Frante, Steve Hoffman, Michael Tannenbaum, Al Levy, and others 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: who attended as campers at Camp jened A camphlet by 74 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: Larry Allison, who was the camp director. We also got 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: to meet staffers like Lionel, Joe Woodyard, Joseph O'Connor, and 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: people who are on site to document the film with 77 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: the People's Video Theater, like Howard gustat Um, who was 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: able to get footage of the times and discussion throughout 79 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: the camp. So that was really cool, actually right Honestly, 80 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: the first thing I thought was like, what an amazing 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: thing that they were able to get this on film 82 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: and have such an open, honest conversation and it was 83 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: able to get that and restore that and be able 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: to show that to others because it was a phenomenal 85 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: idea and you don't see that, you know. We've talked 86 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: about this many times when we think of historical figures 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: and historical events that we don't get to see or 88 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: have actual proof of what happened there. And to have 89 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: like a first person contact to see what is happening 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: and what has happened, it's phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, And it 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: was very like a moment in time captured because I 92 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: was like, this is seventies is how I feel it. 93 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: I love seeing them in their prime and they were 94 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: selling themselves and exploring that, and I'm like, I wonder 95 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: how they turned out as adults. Just they still follow 96 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: with that. Yes, and we got to see some answers 97 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: to that question. Yeah. The film was fifteen years in 98 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the making with camp Goer Labrick who has spin and 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: Bithada as a director and narrator throughout the documentary, and Yes, 100 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: it was premiered at the Sundance Festival. Camp Jeannette was 101 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: founded in ninety two and the cat Skills and was 102 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: shut down in nineteen seventy seven, and this is where 103 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: a majority of it takes place, where a lot of 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: like the blossoming of this activism that we see right 105 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: and I think it's postially because a Labrett who came 106 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: in later is the one that says the tone of 107 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: how he got to be a part of that and 108 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: seeing that as well, and then if I am correct, 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what is happening with Kim Jannette right now, 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of conversation about things with clip 111 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: camp and how that's kind of blossomed a new movement 112 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: in twenty as well, so it's good to see how 113 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: it kind of picks back up. But the documentary as 114 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: well we are discussing shows the impact of camp to 115 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: Neet and the campers who could escape the world and 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: go to their personal quote with Stock as one of 117 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the campers say, they are the campers were able to 118 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: live as they wanted, hooking up with some of the 119 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: other campers, maybe for the first time, getting girlfriends, getting boyfriends, 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: having all this new romance, playing and truly competing with 121 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: each other. There was a line when they talked about 122 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: for the first time, not only were they picked to 123 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: be on their team, you had to and if you 124 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: got out, You got out there. This is not about pity. 125 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: This is about good, friendly competition, being treated as one 126 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: of the teammates um and then you get to see 127 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: them making their own decisions, but also get access to 128 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: actual help from people, not just being left and being 129 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: able to speak about the issues, from being treated differently 130 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: by the outside world or by their parents and or 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: disciplined differently, or even completely having to be reliant on 132 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: their parents and therefore having to act differently than other 133 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: teenage kids, trying to obtain autonomy, and just being able 134 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: to live their lives and the discussions they had poured 135 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: out in the world world. Of course, we're kind of 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: jumping over a lot of the things, the personal connections 137 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: and just the love that happens at the camp, and 138 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: we don't want to do that, but you really should 139 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: go and watch it because it's a deep account of 140 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: who they are as an individual and being able to 141 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: sit and discuss what they feel like they needed and 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: how they're often shut down. And we're gonna talk a 143 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: little bit more about this later in the themes because 144 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: we think it's really important, but it is really just 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: eye opening to have them being able to speak up 146 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: for themselves to truly air out the frustrations and to 147 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: be able to do it with people who understand them. 148 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: As Labrette talked about how in his hometown or at 149 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: his school he's the only one with a disability who 150 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: was disabled in the friend group. He has a great 151 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: friend group. But then coming back and realizing, oh, I 152 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: do have these concerns, or I do have this moment 153 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: of trying to figure myself out and angst and anger 154 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: and trying to pretend, uh you know that it doesn't 155 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 1: exist on this level, and or being uh isolated because 156 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: of it. He talks about that and again talks about 157 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: his own family and his relationship with his mom. You 158 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: see that when we talk about the layer of hierarchy 159 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to disabilities and types of disabilities, and 160 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: then breaking that down in this conversation. So it's a 161 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: really beautiful time again they're having a democracy. We see 162 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: a young Judith human who takes on the net as 163 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: a leader, but trying to do it democratically, to giving 164 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: everybody a voice, whether it's about food, whether it's about 165 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, sleeping, like all of these things. It's a 166 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: beautiful thing to see as you get to watch them 167 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: in the moment of the camps was nice, and also 168 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: the Crabs incident and if you don't know what I'm 169 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: talking about, you need to watch it. It's like just 170 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: such a realistic heads this is great. Yes, Like I said, 171 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: the discussion had does pour out into the real world 172 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: as Judith Human and so many from the camp continue 173 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: in taking their discussions into action. Human's own lawsuit against 174 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: the New York Board of Education was highlighted as part 175 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: of the catalyst in the disability movement and political protests 176 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: which you see later on in the film as they 177 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: continue to build up to being able to advocate for 178 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: themselves right and UM. As we did discuss in our 179 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: a d A episode, the movement was heated with sit ins, protests, 180 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: and political debates and negotiations UM. The documentary follows different 181 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: approaches in the disability activists, including the Five Out four 182 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: sit in in San Diego in nineteen seventy which spread 183 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: to Washington, d C. To pressure the then administration to 184 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: define federal guidelines around the Discrimination Act UM and to 185 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: push for the civil rights of all disabled people. And 186 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: it was during this time that supporters from other movements 187 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: such as the Black Panthers came and drove to not 188 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: only show support but also provide did items such as 189 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: meals and services for those protesting. Right. It was really 190 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: interesting to watch the different people and organizations that would 191 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: reach out and making sure that they were able to 192 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: support them as In fact, during that time, one activist 193 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: asked members of the Black Panthers, why are you doing this? 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: And they're like, we see you, we know what it's 195 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: like to be here, and we have to fight for 196 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: with each other. This is what we're about and I 197 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: love that. So the documentary continued following individuals as they 198 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: were going through their own private journeys, such as uh 199 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: Denise Sharer Jacobson, who talked about her life as a 200 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: disability educator and as a specialist in human sexuality, which 201 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: she talks about how she got there, which was pretty 202 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: much what we've talked about before. How often times people 203 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: with disabilities are dismissed when it comes to sexuality and 204 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: disregarded completely and seeing as completely a sexual and I'm 205 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: saying that in the literal definition, not necessarily a sexuality definition, 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: but that's one of the things that they state. Um, 207 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: and she kind of pushed rug. She was like, nah, no, 208 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: I needed to get mine out of kind of get 209 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: mine um and as she talked about her experience of 210 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: actually being pregnant, but because the doctors did not see 211 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: her as a sexual being or someone who could be sexual, 212 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: they dismissed that altogether, and that really pushed her forward 213 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: uh into this profession and just being an activist for 214 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: disabled community. Um And she talked about how she pushed 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: to defy expectations on which so many underestimator, including being 216 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: in a relationship and and growing with her family and 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: being a professional who made it out into the world. 218 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: Um and really became an icon in education, especially within 219 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: the disabled community as well as the education community. So 220 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: the documentary continues as Human and her organization, Disabled in 221 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: Action continued their fight, including the Capital Crawl in the nineties, 222 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: which was a poor if we talked about this earlier, 223 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: a demonstration of inaccessibility and no access for those with disabilities, 224 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: which made a huge impact because we still talk about 225 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: it today. Yes, and later we see a reunion with 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: several of the old camp goers with Human, the Brett 227 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: Jacobson and few others at the old camp site reminiscing 228 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: about the past, and it was a very powerful right 229 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: to see there then reuniting and reminiscing about the people 230 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: they've lost and the people who were still there and 231 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: why it was so important this camp. Right one of 232 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: the camp goers children came through to celebrate the camp 233 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: as well, and it was a heartwarming moment where she 234 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: got to see where some of the defying moments for 235 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: her father was there in that area. So it was 236 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: a beautiful ending. But of course with that, throughout the movie, 237 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: you see that as much as they do progress, they 238 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: do feel like they're being pushed back in some of 239 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: the progress. And as we're talking about today, we know 240 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: that's still a big issue. As many things that have happened, 241 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: there have been setbacks, as many good things have happened 242 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: with the A d A, there's a lot of things 243 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: that are problematic within the A d A. And we 244 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: needed to talk about that as well and who it 245 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: applies to, who gets access, And honestly that some of 246 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: the conversation that we're having with UM them just venting 247 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: and airing out the issues that they dealt with in 248 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: everyday life haven't gone away UM unfortunately, but they definitely 249 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: did a lot to make sure to bring some awareness 250 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: and some step forward. But yeah, if you haven't seen 251 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: this documentary, you should definitely check it out. We did 252 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: want to go on with some themes of the documentary 253 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: because I think it's really important that we highlight and 254 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: talk about how they have impacted and this movement impacted 255 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: all of society and all of us as a community, 256 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: and just understanding we need to keep pushing for human rights. Um. 257 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: And one of the big themes is, of course, the 258 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: history of those with disabilities, the rights of disabilities, civil 259 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: rights within disability communities, as well as just being able 260 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: to be heard um. And I thought it was really 261 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: good how they actually just backtracked and talked about it 262 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: from almost beginning to end, including some of the horrific things, um, 263 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: such as that we're talking about the will Brook Institute 264 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: and how horrible that discovery was. And it really kind 265 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: of opened up, uh, I guess the public to see 266 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: how horrific some of the people with disabilities were being treated. Yeah. Yeah, 267 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's such a great vulnerable personal look. That's 268 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the progress that the disability movement has had and how 269 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: hard they've had to fight, and a lot of it. 270 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: Watching it felt so frustrating because is what they were saying, 271 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: just make sense, and of course, like you should have 272 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: access two, being able to live by yourself, being able 273 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: to access public transportation, being able to get into public buildings, 274 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: like all of these things. But they were having to 275 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: fight so hard and that, you know, the camp. It 276 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: was so kind of heartbreaking but also heart warming to 277 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: hear them talk about how much they loved that camp 278 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: because they would go and it was like the first 279 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: time they just felt like they didn't have to fit 280 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: into society's rules or like make people feel comfortable, that 281 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: they could just be themselves and talk to other people, 282 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: and that's why it was so important to them, and 283 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: it was so life changing. And I think an experience 284 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: like that clearly carried through into this movement because it 285 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: was like a glimpse of well, no, we should have 286 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: had this all right. I mean, we already talked about 287 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: the ablest ide, yeah, of dismissing those with disabilities, thinking 288 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: that they're not able to think for themselves or do 289 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: for themselves, so therefore their lacking and shouldn't have an opinion, um, 290 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: which I think human does an amazing job in making sure. 291 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: At that camp she was like, no, you will have 292 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: a part in this and you will have a voice 293 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: in this and we will allow you to speak and 294 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: have a voice here. And I love that and which 295 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: she felt just rightly. So should be everywhere I should 296 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: be outside of just the safe space of kemp janet um. 297 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, one of the things they talked about was 298 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: the fact that the ADA had not passed at that 299 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: point in time, and there was no anti discrimination laws uh, 300 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: and in place for those with disabilities. And when they 301 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: went into town being denied at places because they made 302 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: people uncomfortable, they made customers uncomfortable, and that in itself 303 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: was such a statement of course. Uh. This was one 304 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: of the counselors who was an African American man who 305 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: had come out of Alabama to hang out Jay Woodyard, 306 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: I believe, And he was talking about you know, and 307 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: at that point in time, I understood, because we knew 308 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: we had to be in our place and not to 309 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: make people uncomfortable because if we didn't, they could be 310 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: dangerous for us as well. And he was talking in 311 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: comparison about how important seeing this level was and how yes, 312 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: it was similar to each other, and we we had 313 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: so much to push forward and trying to get beyond 314 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: just existing and existing quietly or disappearing in the corner, 315 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: and I thought that was impactful. Yeah, one of the 316 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: things that we talked about with the personal history is 317 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: just the basic human rights, just being able to exist, 318 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: uh wherever, and and not being told you shouldn't be 319 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: here because you make this awkward or you make me 320 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: feel some sort of way. Um. And at one point 321 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: time when they were talking about the five o four protests, 322 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: they were she was talking about the fact one of 323 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: the protesters was talking about the fact, you know, this 324 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: was really uncomfortable and people don't want to see us. 325 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: And honestly, and when it comes down to it, she 326 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: quotes as saying, the world always wants us dead. Just 327 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: people know that every day of our lives we live 328 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: that reality. So there's always gonna be am I going 329 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: to survive? Am I going to push back? Or am 330 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: I going to fight to be here? Just talking about 331 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: the fact that, Yeah, honestly, during that time, society had 332 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: this whole don't look, don't tell, don't see, don't you know, 333 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: don't hear type of conversation, which is why the institutions 334 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: like Willebrook existed to just push them aside and be ignored, 335 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: which is so cruel, and she was talking about that 336 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: that like, you know, it was one of those things 337 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: that whether it's going to make us angry or is 338 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: it gonna make us fight, and talking about the fact 339 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: that yeah, we're gonna fight and you're gonna see that 340 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: we exist and when you ignore us, Yes, death happens. 341 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: Things that you don't want to see or think about happens, 342 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: but it's going to be there. And yeah, we're not disappearing, 343 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: which I thought was an important conversation that they were 344 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: having that they were like we're here, um, and you 345 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: see the interviews throughout their times, and I thought that 346 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: was interesting. And of course another with the history of 347 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 1: it is uh during the camp what impacted something that 348 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: was like, wow, I was talking about the right to privacy, 349 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: which I know we take I take for granted. Yeah. Yeah, 350 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: there were so many conversations that felt like a gift 351 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: to see, not only because I was like, oh, wow, 352 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: they got they still have this footage from you know, 353 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: this time period, but just being so open and vulnerable 354 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: and uh, in the face of real callousness from like 355 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: government officials, especially towards the end, where they're just like 356 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: it's going to cost too much, no way to give 357 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: you your basic rights. But yeah, it's just the They 358 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: discussed all of these ideas and concerns and things that 359 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: they had to deal with since childhood, around their lives 360 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: and privacy, around having to depend on others when that 361 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: didn't have to be the case, but like particularly their 362 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: parents perhaps, and just their lives kind of being up 363 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: for the judgment from everybody, like everybody being like, oh, 364 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: you must be sick. Oh there must be something wrong 365 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: with you. Right, I don't want to be involved because 366 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: you must be sick, which is wrong and gross. Right. Well. Yeah, 367 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: and also just like as you were talking about, you know, 368 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: having to depend on everyone else, they were talking about 369 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, at one point, um, one 370 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: of the campers had to depend on someone else to 371 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: translate for her, um and then uh, that person who translates, 372 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: Like I feel like this is what she's trying to say. 373 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: And what we're talking about right now is being able 374 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: to be alone, not having to be completely monitored all 375 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: the time. We don't have that freedom, and it feels 376 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: we don't have privacy anymore. I can't be alone to 377 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: address myself because don't want to trust that I'm going 378 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: to do that to you know, like all of these 379 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: things for those like having to deal with the fact that, yeah, 380 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: Leabrec talked about how he had gone through surgery and 381 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: having to wear diapers and that was just so a 382 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: level of vulnerability that he wasn't ready for and coming 383 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: to a camp and you know, you know the stigma 384 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: of that, but this was a different camp where people 385 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: everybody was like yeah, we we understand this, we know 386 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: the struggle and then be given access care as well 387 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: as still being treated as a full fleshed human instead 388 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: of being and vantilized because of their disabilities. So it 389 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: was a really big eye opener to that. Of course, 390 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier the crab incident sexuality and 391 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: how that was a joke and I laughed. It was 392 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: pretty funny in that they're like, oh we got grabs, 393 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: here we go no, and being quarantined from each other 394 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: because they were sexually active. This was a chance for 395 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: them to finally explore with one another and and do 396 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: have these relationships, to be able to make out in 397 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: the corner. Like the stories. It made me smile because 398 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is what happens, like well, not 399 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: church camp, but regular camp. I think maybe church camp too. 400 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: I just wasn't that cold kid. Yeah, that was one 401 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: of the most One of the threads that stuck out 402 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: the most to me was this exploration of sexuality because 403 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: as we have talked about and we discussed in the 404 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: A d A episode like that, that's a big discussion 405 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: in the disability community and disability rights community is you know, 406 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: they're all of these things that we need to talk about, 407 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: um and one of them is de sexualization and and 408 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: fantalizing of people who have disabilities. Uh. And Denise Jacobson, 409 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: she was very open about that and she as you 410 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, like she went to the hospital she 411 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: had stomach pains and they're like, oh, it must be appendicitist, 412 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: and they took out perfectly healthy appendix before they bothered 413 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: to ask her like, oh are you sexually active? Oh 414 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: you have ganarihea, And this was the thing that was 415 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: like she was like, Nope, okay, I'm gonna go and 416 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: study sexually out specifically disability and sexuality. And I think 417 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: that's so important And I loved seeing her embrace it, 418 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: even if I was so furious, but that had to 419 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: be a thing for her at all Um, But it 420 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: was again like, yeah, there was something so nice about 421 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: just hearing them discuss, like, oh, this is our one 422 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: weekend aniversary. It was like, you know camp again. I 423 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: never went to camp, but I've also assumed that's what happened. Yes, yes, right, 424 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: but they were able to explore that and figure that out. 425 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: They were playing music, they were just being themselves. But yeah, 426 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: on top of that, you do see this amazing friendship 427 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: which they even talked about during the five oh for 428 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: uh sentence how it was Camp Oliver again, them coming together, 429 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: singing together, talking it through, talking about their methods, talking 430 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: about their grievances. Um. But these let friendships, though they 431 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: didn't always last, some of them really did. Nancy was 432 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: one of the ones that was next to Judith Human 433 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: the whole time, making sure things were getting done. Um. 434 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: Labrett talked about he was excited to come to Berkeley 435 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: because that's where they were to help with these different 436 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: protests and then the growing need to be activists. Um. 437 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: So it was really good to see. But yeah, there's 438 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: this level of commandari that that happens, especially when you 439 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: are vulnerable and open and then connect on that level. 440 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: But to move it into activism is a whole different 441 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: conversation into seeing what they did and what they accomplished 442 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: UM and coming in to understand what these types of 443 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: movements can do, but really just growing on trusting each other. 444 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: That was a whole different level to UM And of 445 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: course we're going to talk a little more about it 446 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: in a minute. But like the inclusion, making sure that 447 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: everyone again had a voice, making sure that there was 448 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: an interpreter for those who were deaf before I'm meeting 449 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: actually started making sure that people are being taken care 450 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: of at all eyes being asked what they thought. I 451 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: thought it was phenomenal how Judith under her leadership humans 452 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: leadership really did take on a whole life in itself, 453 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: and you could tell that she cared, like when she 454 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: would choke up and announcements, her friends would behind her. 455 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: Here for you, We got you encouraging her instead of 456 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: sitting in awkward silence, which I feel like happens a 457 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: lot when someone shows emotions, You're like, what do I do? 458 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: But they know they knew her and uplifted her and 459 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: it was a beautiful thing to see. Yeah, that was 460 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts. And the documentary starts with 461 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: a quote somewhere along the lines of like, this is 462 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: the story no One's heart and they should have heard it. 463 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: And I totally agree because when I for that episode, 464 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: like I'd researched it, but watching this, I was like, 465 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: look at what they accomplished by supporting each other, holding 466 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: each other up, talking um and just being so making 467 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: that effort to take care of each other. And what 468 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: was really a horror situation. Like they stayed in that 469 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: building for like twenty plus days and they had to 470 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: come up with like betting situations and washing situations and 471 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: food situation like all the stuff. And they did it 472 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: like they worked with other people. They made it happen. 473 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: They checked in with everybody. They were looking into what 474 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: people needed. Um. One of my favorite parts that's also 475 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of sad, is that they were able to get 476 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: around like the FBI tapping their phones by using side language. 477 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: Like they they just really came together. They coalesced, and 478 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: as we talked about in that A d A episode, 479 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: it was one of the first times where people with 480 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, disparate disabilities all came together and we're like, oh, 481 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: we're all part of this community and this movement, and 482 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: we can work together and we see you, and this 483 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: is inclusive, and it was very It was very, very powerful, 484 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: and I liked there was that threat of um, yeah, 485 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: the people from Camp Janette finding each other and others 486 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: who hadn't gone to that camp being like once you 487 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: were friends of them, you're friends with all of them, 488 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, and noother In fact, as you're talking 489 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: about it, the FBI listening in. Uh, there wasn't a 490 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: lot of coverage at one point in time, and but 491 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: that one reporter stuck through. He made sure that this 492 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: was there. He was like, this is important. And then 493 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: when the strike happened, his story went global, uh and 494 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: finally got it out. But the fact that it was 495 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: still invisible with him doing so much, which was part 496 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: of the breakdown that you see, uh for human and 497 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: some of the leadership just really finding it disheartening because 498 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: people were ignoring it altogether because once again disabilities, Uh 499 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: maybe people in an ablest way uncomfortable, just as a reminder, 500 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: just existing made people uncomfortable, so they would rather ignore it. 501 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: And then you have big things like the Heraldo rivera 502 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: segment on the willow Brook Institutes which dramatized that which 503 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: it happened. I know that it happened, but it took 504 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: it to such a level that it also was like, well, 505 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: if it's not as climactic as this, is it getting 506 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: this attention. But it was interesting to see how how 507 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: they built that up at how things turned around and 508 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: come back out and you know, combating this way or 509 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: that way, um, and trying to get things accomplished. Uh. 510 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's the history of this movement, 511 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: that's the history of many movements that you see it 512 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: going backwards and forwards and um being a distraction to 513 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: being ignored, which happens a lot. But they would not 514 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: let that stop them, and I love that too. Um. 515 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: Of course within the movement as well, there was a 516 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: huge growth in it, as we talked about, with it 517 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: being escalated. Finally with the reports, they couldn't really ignore 518 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: it anymore, thank god. Yeah, yeah, it really was amazing 519 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: or they were able to accomplish and what they were 520 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: determined to accomplish, like despite the adversity, there were so 521 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: many things I was watching, I was like wow. At 522 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: one point they had um Judith Human and some of 523 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: the other leaders went to d C and they were 524 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: transported in the back of U haul chucks, like dark 525 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: moving trucks to get to the houses of leaders who 526 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to, and and just all of 527 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: these things two to be heard and to be seen, 528 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: and that did lead to this determination and that reporter 529 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: and all of these other factors came together to lead 530 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: to a growth in the movement and to lead to 531 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: more people being aware of it um and and things 532 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: like the cripple crawl that just really captured the nation's 533 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: attention of like, okay, we cannot ignore this right now. 534 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Well that's exactly. The growth was so big that, yeah, 535 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: they had to They're like, they're not listening to us here. 536 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: We've been here San diegos listening to us, but that's 537 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: not enough. Okay, we're going to go to d C. 538 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: Y'all stay here, We're going here. And that still was enough, 539 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: So they were starting to like go to home, so like, 540 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna make you listen. The secretary at that point 541 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: in time had to go around the back and sneak 542 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: away from them because he couldn't confront them to the 543 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: fact that he signed off in private, and it just 544 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: happened because he didn't want to acknowledge the fact, and 545 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: he tried to take some credit for it. We're not 546 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: going to give up to him. But also the fact 547 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: that it did capture the attentions of the Senate of 548 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: at least a few senate who not only held hearings, 549 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: but then you also sent like betting in such at 550 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: one point in time, the mayor came in support and 551 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: talk to them as well. But it did get that 552 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: type of traction and had to grow to that point, uh, 553 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: to the point that one of the Senates who when 554 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: they were having the Senate hearing, the representative of the Secretary, 555 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: who had no idea what was happening, got chased down 556 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: when he tried to ignore questions to come back about 557 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: you better come and answer the questions like it was 558 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: such a powerful move to see activists like that to 559 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: push to get those answers that they were determined to go. 560 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: And of course, again we talked about the inclusion, but 561 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: the intersectionality of it all the fact that we have 562 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: organizations with the civil rights movements when it comes to 563 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: the black civil rights movements, black panthers coming in um 564 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: making sure that they are not going to be pushed 565 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: out of the protests coming in and understanding if no 566 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: one else will when it comes to the rights that 567 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: if one person, one group of people, one community is 568 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: left behind, everything can crumble. Yeah. Yeah, that was another 569 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: piece of this that was so good to see. Great 570 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: to see because you know, we're big proponents of intersectional 571 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: feminism here and this is one instance of it where 572 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: we're seeing like different groups of marginalized people fighting for rights, 573 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: fighting for equality and equity coming together recognizing like if 574 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: if you don't have it, then it's not right, Like right, 575 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: then I don't have it either. So that was really 576 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: great to see, like to see that support that was 577 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: kind of you know, asked for, but offered pretty openly, 578 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: like yeah, all right, we'll help you, without the expectation 579 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: of you have to give something back, the hope you 580 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: know that will support each other. But it was it 581 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: was just nice to see, right and correct me if 582 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But I believe the person that turned to 583 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: the Black Panthers was a black woman, disabled woman. Um, 584 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: she was like, I got this, we know where to 585 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: go to, I know who will have our backs, and 586 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: they said yes without hesitating, and they were the epitome 587 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: of the intersexuality. This is where I am. I am 588 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: a black woman with disabilities. I have hardly no ability 589 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: to speak for myself. We have to push and I'm 590 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: going to do it this way. And she used her 591 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: voice to bring uh, two movements together. Of course we 592 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: don't see the full impact of both movements in this 593 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: specific documentary, but you see that this is an elevation 594 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: and a big conversation of what true intersectionality and ally 595 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: ship can look like. Um, and I think it's really 596 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 1: important to remember how this has to get pushed forward. 597 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Of course, again, as we are going through our own 598 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: moments and trying to push for activism and advocacy for ourselves. 599 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: It took years, it took decades to get to here, 600 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: and it's still not enough. And we want to talk 601 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: about that because that's exactly kind of where we sit, 602 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: kind of how we've seen everything unfold and unraveled. And yeah, 603 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: at one point in time, we see Reagan talking about 604 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: how this is costing too much and we need to backtrack, 605 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: and oh my god, you know this is not doing 606 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: what you think it is. It's not cost efficient. And yeah, 607 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: them really dismissing humans and individuals because they don't want 608 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: to pay out to give them the same freedom and 609 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: rights as those enabled bodies. And again when I say 610 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: abled bodies, we know that's not permanent. Um, and people 611 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: kind of forget that, as one reporter talks about she 612 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: was able bodied and then she was hit uh in 613 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: a car accident and lost that and realizing for the 614 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: first time, oh my god, I never understood and here 615 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: I am, and to really thrive in that instead of 616 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: becoming uh discouraged by it necessarily except for the fact 617 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: that that disabled communities are set up to fail because 618 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: they're not given equal or equity in in this playing field. Absolutely, Yeah, um, 619 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: I thought her story. I'm glad it was included because 620 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: she was a good like before and after Oh I 621 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: didn't do any of the work and now I see 622 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: just to see that and and yeah, I that's one 623 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: of the things that um, we did discuss in the 624 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: A d F SO, but it's also something that we've 625 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: thought about a lot. I've thought about a lot. But 626 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: living in a capitalist society where how destructive that is 627 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: to be told by like the President's United States, you 628 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: cost too much to have your to have your rights, 629 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: your human rights. That's too expensive, Please go away, Like 630 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: that's abhorrence and disgusting and very harmful. Um, right, and 631 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: it is it is still a fight, like not at 632 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: all to diminish and the monumental things that they accomplished, um, 633 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: which I think they would. You know, they've been outspoken 634 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: like yes we did a d A, but we need 635 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: so much more. Like there is still so many instances 636 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: where it's sort of assumed like unless you complain, then 637 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: just go away, like don't don't make me use money 638 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: in my business, uh, to make it more accessible. Yeah, 639 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: there's so many conversations we need to have about how 640 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: the capitalist ideals really really have set up many people 641 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: to feel most people to feel. Um. But we won't 642 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: necessarily go into that for this topic. But yeah, I 643 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: think it's interesting to see the fact that human was 644 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: able to work in administration with the president of the 645 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: time at the time and to build that up and 646 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: then that position is that she she held has gone. Now, Um, 647 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: that's how little it's accounted for today, even though they 648 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: have made so much stride. And then I've already shown 649 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: how much of a positive impact it can have on 650 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: a society as a whole when people with disabilities are 651 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: included and actually put on the same level as anybody 652 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: else to be able to be a part of this 653 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: decision making, this policy making, business decision making, how profitable 654 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: if we want to talk about it, or it's just 655 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: impactful it has on an environment as a whole. And 656 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the problem is they the 657 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: solutions that are found are given a timetable instead of 658 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: being restructured to actually change permanently. And that's problem for 659 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: so many things. And that's why we have to keep 660 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: going backwards and forwards and sideways in every way everywhere 661 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: instead of continuing upward as you would have hoped. But yeah, 662 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: I think it's important to see that. But it's also 663 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about you seeing that them come back 664 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: together and having the conversation and being able to have 665 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: the conversation about why they fight, who they're fighting for, 666 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: how it's impacted them, how it's impacted their community, how 667 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: it can continue to impact, and how they can show 668 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: you know, I think we forget this so often that 669 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: there have been radicals and there have been revolutionaries from 670 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: jump uh and unfortunately we still have to look at 671 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: what they did to be as a reminder of how 672 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: to push forward. That we have to see these historical 673 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: contexts for the before and after and push the fight. Yeah, 674 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: that was one of the most one of the most 675 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: moving parts is in my opinion, at the end when 676 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: they come together, they reunited the camp which is being 677 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: bulldozed and turned into something else. Um. And they just 678 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: have really heartfelt moments with each other. But they asked 679 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: each other like did you ever think you were going 680 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: to go to Berkeley and do this? And did you 681 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: ever think you can go and do this? And they 682 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: were all like no. Um. So I think as much 683 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: work as we do continue to need to do, they 684 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: did accomplish so much like along with the other people 685 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: in the movement, other movements that helped UM, they really did. 686 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this other day about I 687 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: was watching some White House video and they had a 688 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: a s L interpreter in it, and I was like, Wow, 689 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: when they were when they were growing up, that wasn't 690 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: a thing like that just wasn't thought of, wasn't cared about. 691 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: And it's still a fight, absolutely, but it was. It 692 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: was very eye opening to me to see kind of 693 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: the like before and after, right. Yeah, And that's one 694 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: of the big things I love that I love seeing 695 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 1: a s L for concert goers when they do show 696 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things, yes, but also just 697 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 1: a reminder um when it becomes for those who are 698 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: able bodied, Uh, you know, there's many of us with 699 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: invisible disabilities and we can't ignore that. And they talk 700 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: about this a lot too within that documentary because they 701 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: understand that better than anyone. As well. We know that 702 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: there's complex disabilities where they're more than one disabilities in 703 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: a person. As well as the fact that they talked 704 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: about trying to sustain like we got to see and 705 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: we didn't talk much about it then what an independent 706 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: living situation could have been for them and how they 707 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: as the disabled, were able to know their needs and 708 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: I think that's something we forget too often. And we 709 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: have to mind ourselves as if we were going to 710 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: be called allies again, this is one of those terms 711 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't think we can give to ourselves. It has 712 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: to be given by the community who is saying that 713 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: you are an allied to us. But to be there 714 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: is to remember that they are in the lead, and 715 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: then we need to follow their lead. Period. So when 716 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: they say there's problems with the A d A, we 717 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: need to look at why and and see the research 718 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: that they're talking about and take that on as to Yeah, 719 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: this is a problem that they shouldn't be getting crumbs, 720 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: they should be getting everything. Um. As well as when 721 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: we see and I've seen this, Uh, we haven't talked 722 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: about this in TikTok. There's a debate about as L 723 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: and subtitles and the intersectionality of it. We need to 724 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: have that, we need we need to follow those in 725 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: that place, in that community and not take on the 726 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: battle as if as ours and we know better because 727 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: we don't. Um. There's a conversation about if you truly 728 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: want to learn a s L, that's great, maybe look 729 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: to uh the actual deaf community who are willing to 730 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: teach um. And there are those out there who are 731 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: teaching because they know it best. And I think it's 732 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: something that we have to remember as well, because we 733 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 1: don't want to be misled and being taught something inappropriate. Um. 734 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, but there was that huge debate about that 735 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,479 Speaker 1: and also how we are taking away work for those 736 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: in the communities who can teach much better. Uh. So, 737 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: so many things in this that we have to be 738 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: reminded of because this is eye opening and it shouldn't 739 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 1: be about pity or it shouldn't be about like watching 740 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: to be a savior for Annymoe just but to truly 741 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: understand and learn and that if we do want to 742 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: be advocates to once again remember they're already those out 743 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: there in front and those are the ones that we 744 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: need to look at because they've lived that life. Yes, 745 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: they've been doing the work. Yeah. So highly recommend this 746 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: movie if you haven't watched it, it is on Netflix. 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