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Speaker 1: talk about why we decided to do this now. Our

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Speaker 2: And when she left.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma, she flew home and then stopped by the Hamptons

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Speaker 2: Loved to just be at home.

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Speaker 1: She left the Hamptons and went on assignment to cover Trump.

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Speaker 2: Last week, she was just feet away.

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Speaker 1: From a young man that set himself on fire. That

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Speaker 1: She decided, we are not going to exploit this man's

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about that work life balance and you

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Speaker 1: So Nancy Grace had a witness. She said, y'all go

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Speaker 1: So we look at each other after we get you know,

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Speaker 4: The funniest thing that ever happened in my career, I

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there's going to be an anniversary of his

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Speaker 4: Then, well, by this time she's probably passed on. I

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Speaker 2: Amen, sarge, what you got?

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Speaker 3: So, I actually I was going to tell the one story,

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Speaker 2: I kind of got this.

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Speaker 3: The yeah, I always seemed to and there was always

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Speaker 6: We had this double homicide. It was in Queen's and

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Speaker 3: that's one hell of a piece of luggage. He's like,

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Speaker 2: But it's just it's just.

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Speaker 4: It's fits fun.

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Speaker 3: I got a lot.

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Speaker 5: I got away with a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I was always able to say things to people in

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Speaker 6: A lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that, but it's yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: Just it is what it is. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: the dark humor of the war humor or whatever. That's

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Speaker 3: It's a defense mechanism. I mean, it's just as simple

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Speaker 5: It's also trauma bonding. You're there at the same time

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Speaker 5: So you're trying to create that balance of emotion. But

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, do you have a good story for us, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 5: most of the stuff that ideal has to do with

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00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 5: people that are accusing their spouse of cheating, and the

435
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 5: stories that I've heard about infidelity and who's doing what

436
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 5: with who, and inter family member accusations and the ruthless

437
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 5: and truthless as I like to call them. The one

438
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: story that I always sticks out when people are like,

439
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 5: what's the best situation or like, what's the funniest story

440
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: that you've got ever had for a polygraph And I remember,

441
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 5: and this is this is always my go to. When

442
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 5: I graduated polygraph school, I just turned twenty four, and

443
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 5: so I woke up one morning and I grebub my

444
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 5: polygraph instrument. And my polygraph instrument is small enough where

445
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 5: all of the components on the laptop fit in the backpack.

446
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 5: So I'm like getting up in the morning and I'm

447
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 5: getting dressed, getting my backpack, and I ride the Long

448
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 5: Island Railroad into Manhattan from Long Island and I go

449
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 5: to my office at forty seventh between fifth and sixth,

450
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 5: which is Diamond d Row. It's the Jewelry District. So

451
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 5: I go into my office and I'm all set up.

452
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 5: And this is one of the first times that I

453
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 5: go into my office in Manhattan all by myself, because

454
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: at the time previously, when I graduated from polygraph school,

455
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 5: I had my father sitting in him exams with me

456
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 5: because he's also an examiner, and he would kind of

457
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: oversee me and it would be like a mentor program.

458
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 5: And so I'm all excited. I'm in Manhattan. I'm like,

459
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 5: this is great. The day is going to go well,

460
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 5: not a problem at all. So I have my first

461
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 5: couple come in that morning, and bear in mind it's

462
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: nine o'clock. I think I've only had three SIPs of

463
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: coffee at this point. So the days what I like

464
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: to refer to is ripe. And she comes in and

465
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 5: I meet with her to talk about the issue, and

466
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: she pulls out of her Louis Vuitton bag a three

467
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 5: inch binder and I.

468
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: Look at her. I go, what the hell is this?

469
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 5: She goes, these are the questions I want you to

470
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 5: ask him. I go hand me the binder and I

471
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 5: open up the cover of the binder and I see

472
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 5: index dividers and I go, oh, she's my type of person.

473
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 5: She's organized. I can get behind this. And I see

474
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 5: the months January, and then I keep looking through to December.

475
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 5: I go, okay, this is getting kind of weird. So

476
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 5: I flip the index divider for January and then I

477
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 5: see the numbers one through thirty and there's a piece

478
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 5: of paper with each one. So this woman comes into

479
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 5: my office with three hundred and sixty five accusations of

480
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 5: lies that she thinks her husband has told So she

481
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: came here thinking I was going to ask him three

482
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty five different questions on the polygraph instrument.

483
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: Holy smoke, Oh that's.

484
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 5: Not even So I look at her and I looked

485
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: down at my paper. And at that point, because you

486
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 5: guys know me, I'm filtering every possible inappropriate comment in

487
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 5: my head that does not come out of my mouth.

488
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: So I'm looking at her and I start looking at

489
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 5: some of these questions and I start laughing. I'm like this,

490
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 5: this just can't be real. This is this is ridiculous.

491
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 5: And again, I'm still a young examiner, so I'm still

492
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 5: trying to figure out like my script and how I

493
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: want to interact with clients and what type of examiner

494
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 5: do I want to be. So I close the binder

495
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 5: and I shove it across the desk. I go, lady,

496
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 5: your nuts, and she goes, what do you mean? I go,

497
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 5: I sent you a confirmation email, and in the email

498
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: it says that I can ask three to four relevant

499
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 5: questions pertaining to what your concerns are. I said, if

500
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 5: you do three hundred and sixty five divided by four,

501
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 5: you're looking at about ninety two exam that I have

502
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: to run on your husband. And then I broke out

503
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 5: the math and I told her how much ninety two

504
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 5: exams are going to cost. And I said, we're not

505
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: doing this and I don't want to see her husband

506
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 5: ninety three times. So I said to her, I said,

507
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 5: what are your main issues? I said, what exactly is

508
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: the root? He goes, I want to know if he's cheating,

509
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 5: and I want to know if he has, like any

510
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 5: devices that he's talking to other women. I said, fine,

511
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: So I formulate those questions. Since married, have you had

512
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: sexual physical contact with anyone other than your wife? And

513
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 5: since married, do you have any communication devices that your

514
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 5: wife is not aware of. She's thinking burn her phone,

515
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 5: she's thinking laptops, whatever it is. She goes, Oh, I

516
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: should probably tell you something. I go what she goes.

517
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 5: There's a password on his phone, so he can't use

518
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 5: his phone unless someone types in the password. There's a

519
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 5: key logger on the computer, so he can only use

520
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: the computer unless I remotely log in and type in

521
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 5: the password. There's a block on the TV that he

522
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: can't watch TV past ten PM. And he's not allowed

523
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 5: to leave the house unless he tells me he's leaving.

524
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 5: I go, okay, so this man is married to a

525
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 5: dominatrix or he's or he's in a submissive type of marriage.

526
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 5: And then at that point I went down the rabbit

527
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 5: hole after their appointment to have to learn about dominatrix

528
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 5: and dom sub relationships, and of god, the things that

529
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: I've seen and read. But that's not even the worst part.

530
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 5: Like it could make It will definitely make a nun blush,

531
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: but it will definitely make like other types of people

532
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 5: blush for the research that I had to do. And

533
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: so I go to her, go, listen, you could ask

534
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 5: like a third question on the test. Do you want

535
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: to ask a fair She goes, I don't know what

536
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: to ask. So amongst obviously three of you know my

537
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 5: personality all too well, jokingly, might I add? I said

538
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: to her, I go, oh, do you want to ask him?

539
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: Have you ever had sexual contact with an animal? I

540
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: said that jokingly. This woman goes, yeah, sure, why not,

541
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 5: Let's just make sure he's not a pervert. So I

542
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: go ahead, Yeah, So I run the acquaintance test, which

543
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: is the Mandata test I have to do to make

544
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: sure that everyone's testable. There's no illegal drugs. They haven't

545
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: taken anything to try and beat the test. And then

546
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 5: I run the first chart and the guy is not

547
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 5: reacting to either question about the sexual contact or the devices,

548
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 5: but he's popping on the question pertaining to sexual contact

549
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 5: with an animal. So at that point I say to myself,

550
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 5: I go I'm like, I got to take a break

551
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 5: for one second. So I lie to him, I go, listen,

552
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: I just got to step out and use the restroom.

553
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 5: I'll be right back for two seconds. I grab my

554
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 5: cell phone and I call my father. I'm like, are

555
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: you punking me? Like this is one of the first

556
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: times I go into Manhattan all by myself, Like did

557
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: you set this up? Like? What are you doing? And

558
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: he's cracking up on the other end of the phone.

559
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: He's like what happened? So I gave him the whole

560
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 5: play by play. He's like, this is comedy genius. I go, well,

561
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: are you the writer of the script? Did you produce

562
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: this comedy and not invite me? Like where's Ashton Hooker picture?

563
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 5: Am I being punked? He's like, no, this is a

564
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: legitimate exam. Go back in, keep a straight face and

565
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 5: just run the test. So I go back in. He's

566
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 5: like Oh, it's everything, okay, I said, yeah, I just

567
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 5: had to use the restroom and I lost my contact.

568
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 5: I wasn't even wearing context. I just had to flinnagle

569
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: a reason as to why I was running late. So

570
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: I go back in and I and I don't even

571
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 5: run the second chart yet. My go, listen, here's the deal.

572
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to be straight with you. You have no

573
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: issues on these two questions, but you're running an issue

574
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: to issue with the animal. I go, what's to deal

575
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: with the animal? I'm like, you went to college in California?

576
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 5: Did you guys go to like Tijuwana? Do you go

577
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: to a donkey show?

578
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 6: Like?

579
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: Did you have an inappropriate actor? A go at the

580
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: fraternity house?

581
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Like?

582
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 5: What did you do? And he starts hysterical laughing. I go,

583
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: is this an anxious laugh? Is it a nervous laugh?

584
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: Are you having like a holy crap moment? Something happened?

585
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 5: He goes, yeah, I should probably tell you this one thing.

586
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 5: And all I texted my father under the table was

587
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 5: here we go. And bear in mind, I have to

588
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: audio and video every single polygraph that I do because

589
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: I'm required to for insurance as well as guidelines for

590
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: the American Polygraph Association. So I was like, I can't

591
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: wait to watch this one back afterwards. So I go ahead,

592
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 5: and I go, okay, here's the deal. What happened? He goes, Well,

593
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 5: my wife already told you about the keyboard and the

594
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 5: lock computers and the cell phones. And I can't leave

595
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: the house when she's if she doesn't have if I

596
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: don't have permission, and blah blah blah blah blah. I go, okay,

597
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: get back to the animal. What about the animal? He goes,

598
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 5: I was at my mom's house. I said, okay, no problem.

599
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 5: I said, what about your mom's house? Does your mom

600
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 5: have animals? Mom's got a cat? I go, okay, mom's

601
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: got a cat. No problem. Where you're going with this, Like,

602
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: you can't just give me a little bit. You got

603
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: to give me everything, because half a truth is still

604
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 5: an entire live And that's exactly what I told him,

605
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: because you're not telling me one hundred percent of the truth,

606
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: so you got to tell me everything. So apparently he

607
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: was cat sitting sitting on the couch, and because mom

608
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: doesn't have a blocked key, he was watching some sort

609
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: of pornography. The cat happened to be on the couch

610
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: next to him, and I go, okay, so what's the deal?

611
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 5: He goes, I was eating Cheetos with my right hand

612
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 5: while watching porn and petting the cat. I go, okay,

613
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 5: he goes, But the problem was the cat saw the cheetos,

614
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: saw the cheeto dust on my hand, and then it

615
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 5: just didn't end well. The man still comes back to

616
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: my office all of these years later, about once or

617
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 5: twice a year, and whenever I see his name on

618
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: color id and I'm with my father, We'll both yell

619
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: to each other. Catman is calling.

620
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, that's so you want to talk about like

621
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 7: humor in a situation like yeah, was there trauma?

622
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely, because I had to learn and kind of worry

623
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: like what were you doing? But at the same time,

624
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 5: like stories like that remind me of like, Okay, yes,

625
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 5: I a couple was at a fork in the road

626
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 5: and they needed to come to terms of like how

627
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: do we proceed in our marriage? So I was able

628
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: to give them closure. And in all of our jobs

629
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 5: we have, we're there to give closure to some degree,

630
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 5: whether it's positive or negative. Everyone's at a fork in

631
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 5: the road, so we have to give them the tools

632
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 5: and the information through our investigator process to allow them

633
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: to make the informed decision that they used.

634
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa, I don't think there's anywhere to go from there.

635
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: I think with that we're gonna wrap this up. Well,

636
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I

637
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: always do with a quote. If a bank robber takes

638
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: over the lens of a surveillance camera, that's mo.

639
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: If he then feels the need to tear his.

640
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Clothes off and dance neked in front of that same camera,

641
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: that signature John Douglas.

642
00:33:46,560 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 8: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.

643
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Five