WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Oklahoma State Fair Murders

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold

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<v Speaker 2>It was September third, nineteen eighty seven, and in Oklahoma City,

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<v Speaker 2>two sisters, twenty five year old Cheryl Genzer and sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old Lisa Pennington, were hanging out together at the

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma State Fair. Y recently separated from her husband, Mike, but,

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<v Speaker 2>according to what her mother Charlotte later told reporters, was

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<v Speaker 2>taking it in stride. She was staying with a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of hers and had told her mom just that day

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<v Speaker 2>when they had coffee together, that she was looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a job painting houses. Cheryl was petite five foot three

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred pounds with long black hair. Lisa was taller,

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<v Speaker 2>five foot eight and one hundred and forty pounds with

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<v Speaker 2>blonde hair and green eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Cheryl was more outgoing.

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa was quieter and loved music, especially Motley Crue, her mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Charlotte told The Oklahoma in two thousand and seven. Charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>indicated that everything seemed fine with both.

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<v Speaker 3>Of her girls that day at the fair.

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<v Speaker 2>That night, Cheryl and Lisa were with their brother Alan

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<v Speaker 2>and his girlfriend, and according to what he later told

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<v Speaker 2>The Oklahoma, at some point he left the fair to

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<v Speaker 2>drop his girlfriend off at home. That night, the girls

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<v Speaker 2>didn't show up at the spot where their brothers said

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<v Speaker 2>they were due to meet him, and they never came

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<v Speaker 2>home that night at all. For a few days, their parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Rocky and Charlotte, thought they might be staying at a

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<v Speaker 2>friend's house. That friend's name was Lane Henley the Third,

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<v Speaker 2>and according to multiple reports, their dad knew that they

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<v Speaker 2>might be hanging out with him, so Rocky contacted Lane

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<v Speaker 2>and when Lane said he didn't know where Lisa and

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<v Speaker 2>Cheryl were, and by now it had been several days

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<v Speaker 2>since Lisa and Cheryl went missing. Rocky called the police

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<v Speaker 2>to report his daughter's missing. At first, police said they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't believe there was any foul play involved, but as

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<v Speaker 2>the days turned into weeks, Rocky and Charlotte became more

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<v Speaker 2>and more terrified, and then on October twentieth, nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>so almost a month after Lisa and Cheryl were last

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<v Speaker 2>seen at the fair, a car salesman was taking a

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<v Speaker 2>drive with a prospective buyer in North Oklahoma, near the

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<v Speaker 2>intersection of Northwest one hundred twenty second Street in Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Fe Avenue. He was showing the buyer how the four

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<v Speaker 2>wheel drive function worked. So they went off road into

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<v Speaker 2>a field, and when they did, they stumbled onto two

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<v Speaker 2>shallow graves.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>Line after the car salesman and potential buyers stumbled onto

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<v Speaker 2>two shallow, graves police came to the scene and realized

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<v Speaker 2>that the bodies were two women and that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a significant amount of. Decomposition forensic and medical testing showed

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<v Speaker 2>this Was lisa And cheryl and that the spot where

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<v Speaker 2>their bodies were found was less than a mile From

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<v Speaker 2>Lane henley's house In North Oklahoma. City police said Both

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<v Speaker 2>lisa And cheryl had been shot in the. Head as

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<v Speaker 2>investigators try to track the two sisters last night and

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what, Happened cheryl And lisa's devastated parents prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to bury two daughters at the same. Time cheryl was

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<v Speaker 2>born On may, twentieth nineteen sixty. Two lisa was born

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<v Speaker 2>On october, sixth nineteen, seventy So lisa disappeared just a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks away from her seventeenth. Birthday both girls

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<v Speaker 2>Attended Putnam City High. School their, Mother, charlotte Was Native.

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<v Speaker 2>American they had two, Brothers ronald And, allen and were

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<v Speaker 2>active in their Local baptist. Church this case very quickly made,

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<v Speaker 2>headlines but the facts that emerged in the, beginning and

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<v Speaker 2>this is not uncommon in murder investigations in early, stages

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<v Speaker 2>were often. Contradictory since this is still an open, investigation

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<v Speaker 2>we have to try to put together facts from the

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of information that police have given publicly and

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<v Speaker 2>the newspaper articles from back in the. Day On Thursday octoughctober,

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<v Speaker 2>eighth there was the first news story in The Daily.

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma the headline read two sisters missing after visiting fair

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<v Speaker 2>and reported That lisa And cheryl had been last seen

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<v Speaker 2>at a friend's home after visiting The Oklahoma State, fair

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<v Speaker 2>but the newspaper stated no foul play was. Suspected, then

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<v Speaker 2>On october twenty, second newspapers reported the discovery of the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies and the fact that the two women were in

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<v Speaker 2>side by side. Graves police later revealed that both women

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<v Speaker 2>had been shot in the head and that they believed

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<v Speaker 2>that they had been murdered shortly after they left the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair law enforcement made a public appeal for any. Information

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<v Speaker 2>they asked anyone who had seen anything unusual in the

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<v Speaker 2>areas where the bodies were found on the day of

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<v Speaker 2>the fair to reach out to, them and they did receive.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Tips someone told police they had seen a woman blindfolded

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<v Speaker 2>in a white pickup truck at around the time When

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<v Speaker 2>lisa And cheryl went. Missing, later a woman called police

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<v Speaker 2>and claimed that it had been.

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<v Speaker 3>Her she was the woman who had been.

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<v Speaker 2>Blindfolded she said it was part of a birthday party.

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<v Speaker 2>Prank but the weird thing was that she didn't leave her,

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<v Speaker 2>name and so police publicly appealed for her to call.

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<v Speaker 2>Back it's not clear if she ever did or if

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<v Speaker 2>they ever really closed that, lead but it seemed as

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<v Speaker 2>though it turned into a dead. End On october twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>fourth it was reported in multiple sources that the house

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<v Speaker 2>That lisa And cheryl were supposedly seen at was a

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<v Speaker 2>house belonging To Lane. Henley the third police executed a

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<v Speaker 2>search warrant on the. Property now at the, time police

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<v Speaker 2>said that some tarps had been removed and That lane

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<v Speaker 2>was not a. Suspect they said this was just part

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<v Speaker 2>of normal police. Procedure The Daily oklahoma later reported police

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<v Speaker 2>had seized other items from that, residence including a shovel

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<v Speaker 2>hoe and dirt. Rake Lieutenant Julie smith Told The Daily

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<v Speaker 2>oklahoma That lane Said lisa And cheryl had left the

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<v Speaker 2>house on foot to go to a local convenience, store

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<v Speaker 2>which was later reported to be a seven to. Eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>now this was not the first time that two women

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<v Speaker 2>had vanished into thin air after visiting The Oklahoma State.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair there was another notorious case of two thirteen year old,

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<v Speaker 2>Girls Charlotte kinsei And Cenda, palette who disappeared in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one from the same state. Fair the two friends

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<v Speaker 2>went to the fair together On september twenty, sixth nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>One it was actually the first time they had ever

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<v Speaker 2>been allowed to go, alone and they were planning to

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<v Speaker 2>spend the night At senda's. House there were some leads

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<v Speaker 2>in that. Case at around five pm that, Afternoon charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>called her mom and said that she And cinda were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be doing a job helping someone who worked

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<v Speaker 2>at the. Fair they were supposed to unload a truck

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<v Speaker 2>that was supposedly filled with stuffed, animals the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>were used for the booth. Prizes charlotte's mother said that was,

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<v Speaker 2>okay But charlotte had to call her by nine. Pm

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<v Speaker 2>senda's mother said the same, thing, okay but check in

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<v Speaker 2>by nine. Pm neither of the girls ever called their

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<v Speaker 2>mothers back that, night and they never showed up at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Again the last sighting of the girls was reportedly at

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<v Speaker 2>around five thirty at the. Fairgrounds when they didn't show

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<v Speaker 2>up back, Home senda And charlotte's families immediately reported them

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<v Speaker 2>missing to The Oklahoma City Police. Department police got a

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<v Speaker 2>tip about a suspicious man who claimed to be an

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<v Speaker 2>employee of the fair and was described as being about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five to fifty years, old six' one to sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>three weighing two hundred to two hundred and fifty, pounds

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<v Speaker 2>with dark, hair a, mustache and a leather belt with

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<v Speaker 2>the Name joseph printed on, it as well as a yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>Badge the man supposedly was driving in nineteen eighty to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty One Pontiac Grand prix With South dakota. Plates

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<v Speaker 2>this is a pretty specific, description and they also had

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<v Speaker 2>statements from other kids at the to say this guy

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<v Speaker 2>was walking around offering to pay them five dollars an

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<v Speaker 2>hour to do odd. Jobs two teenage boys told police

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<v Speaker 2>they took this guy up on the alleged job offer

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<v Speaker 2>and were in the backseat of his car With charlotte And.

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<v Speaker 2>Senda they told police this man told them that the

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<v Speaker 2>truck loaded with toys was at a truck stop Off

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<v Speaker 2>Inner state. Forty according to what the Retired District attorney

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<v Speaker 2>For Oklahoma City Ray, elliott later TOLD Koco News, channel

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<v Speaker 2>the boys went with this man to the truck, stop

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<v Speaker 2>but when they got, there the guy told them that

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<v Speaker 2>the truck wasn't, there and then he gave the boys

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<v Speaker 2>ten dollars and told them.

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<v Speaker 3>To get out of the car and wait.

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<v Speaker 2>There he said he was going to drive around and

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<v Speaker 2>look for the, truck and he drove off With charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>and send it in his. Car the two girls were

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<v Speaker 2>never seen alive. Again police tracked down the rental, car

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<v Speaker 2>A Grand, prix and were able to see that it

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<v Speaker 2>was rented by man Named Royal Russell, long who was

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<v Speaker 2>described as a carney and long haul truck.

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<v Speaker 3>Driver russell had a criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>Background his daughter later told police that he had molested

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<v Speaker 2>her for several.

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<v Speaker 3>Years he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Never convicted of, that but he did serve time In

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<v Speaker 2>wyoming for kidnapping a sixteen year old girl and her

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<v Speaker 2>twelve year old. Friend according to court, Documents russell's daughter

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<v Speaker 2>told police that while he was traveling around the country with,

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<v Speaker 2>her he would give her money to play arcade games

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<v Speaker 2>while he used stuffed animals to lure young girls back

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<v Speaker 2>to his. Truck Russell long also looked a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>the composite sketch of.

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<v Speaker 3>The man police were looking for at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair according To, koco the resemblance was so strong That

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<v Speaker 2>russell's ex wife actually called law enforcement and told them

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<v Speaker 2>that the poster was her ex. Husband the two teen

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<v Speaker 2>boys also positively Identified russell as the, driver but he

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<v Speaker 2>completely denied that he had been involved in theduction Of

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<v Speaker 2>charlotte And. Senda On may, ninth nineteen eighty, Five Russell

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<v Speaker 2>long was charged with kidnapping the two. Friends after, that

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<v Speaker 2>he was extradited From, wyoming where he was, living back

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<v Speaker 2>To oklahoma And. Ray elliott Told koco that the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>and law enforcement continued to build their. Case there were

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<v Speaker 2>a few issues with the physical, evidence like the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the scalp pairs that were found in the truck

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<v Speaker 2>Of russell's rental car were described as being a match For,

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<v Speaker 2>cenda but the tests were later described as, inconclusive but

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<v Speaker 2>Ray elliot still said he believed the case was. Solid

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<v Speaker 2>he said he got a shock when the judge granted

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<v Speaker 2>the defense's motion to dismiss the, case which meant that

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<v Speaker 2>it was thrown out of, court and So russell was

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<v Speaker 2>never charged in connection with the disappearance of these two.

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<v Speaker 2>Girls years, later Ray elliott told a local news channel

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<v Speaker 2>that he and the victim's families absolutely believed That russell

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<v Speaker 2>was the, killer and thatlaw enforcement considers him the prime

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<v Speaker 2>suspect to this. Day so this was Another Oklahoma State

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<v Speaker 2>fair kidnapping and another unsolved. CASE i want to be,

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<v Speaker 2>clear there's no suggestion that the cases Of lisa And

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<v Speaker 2>cheryl And charlotte And cinda are. Connected Russell long told

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<v Speaker 2>his own, daughter according to court, documents that he would

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<v Speaker 2>never be attracted to a young woman over the age of.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirteen so these were completely different mos Than lisa And cheryl's.

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<v Speaker 2>Killer and although the charges Against Russell long were, dismissed

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<v Speaker 2>he was imprisoned in nineteen eighty seven and stayed there

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of his life on unrelated. Charges, still

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<v Speaker 2>the circumstances frightened a lot of. People four girls disappearing

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<v Speaker 2>without a trace from the Same state fair six years.

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<v Speaker 2>APART i also wanted to Mention charlotte And senda's case

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<v Speaker 2>for another. Reason according to What Ray elliott Told, koco

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<v Speaker 2>When russell was leaving the, courtroom he leaned over to

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<v Speaker 2>the victim's families and told them quote ONLY i know

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<v Speaker 2>where the bodies, are And i'm not talking end. QUOTE

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<v Speaker 2>a former cellmate Of russell's told police while they were

0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.520
<v Speaker 2>doing time together In, Wyoming, russell who had worked as

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<v Speaker 2>a meat, cutter allegedly told him, quote if you cut

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<v Speaker 2>the bodies up small enough and stick them in a rat,

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<v Speaker 2>hole they'll never be.

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<v Speaker 3>Found end.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote Russell long died in nineteen ninety three while serving

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<v Speaker 2>time In Wyoming State. Prison so to this, Day charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>And cinda's remains have never been. Found i'm hoping someone

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<v Speaker 2>might hear, something even after all this, time something that

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<v Speaker 2>would help these families bring their remains. Home back To

0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.280
<v Speaker 2>cheryl And lisa's, case police were looking hard At. Lane,

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<v Speaker 2>henley the guy whose House lisa And cheryl had supposedly

0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.640
<v Speaker 2>been last seen. At, lane had also left town pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much immediately After cheryl And lisa went, missing but he

0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.160
<v Speaker 2>told police that this had been a pre planned, trip

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<v Speaker 2>And lane's Friend doug La, lawson who was With lane

0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the night of the, fair gave him an. Alibi for a,

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<v Speaker 2>while things went, Quiet then in nineteen eighty, nine there

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<v Speaker 2>was what appeared to be a huge break in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Case police Hit Doug lawson with several drug, charges and

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<v Speaker 2>as part of a plea, deal if the state agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to drop the charges against, Him doug said he would

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<v Speaker 2>tell them what he claimed really. Happened On september twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>third nineteen eighty, seven on the Night Lisa pennington And

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<v Speaker 2>Cheryl ginzer, Disappeared doug said that he was operating the

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<v Speaker 2>monorail at The State, fair according to police. Records according

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<v Speaker 2>to an arrest, Warrant doug told police he And lane

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<v Speaker 2>Met cheryl And lisa at the. Fair he said the

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<v Speaker 2>four of them left the fair grounds together and went

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<v Speaker 2>to a friend's, house where they smoked, pot drank, beer

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<v Speaker 2>and did some cocaine for a. While, then he, said

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<v Speaker 2>the four of them left that friend's house and ended

0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.160
<v Speaker 2>up At lane's. House doug said once the four of

0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.080
<v Speaker 2>them got back To lane's, house they kept drinking beer

0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and took some more. Drugs, then at some, Point doug

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<v Speaker 2>And cheryl left the house to walk to the store

0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and buy some more. Beer according to What doug told,

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<v Speaker 2>police after they got, back a fight broke out After

0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.320
<v Speaker 2>lane Told cheryl that he had raped her. Sister doug

0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.880
<v Speaker 2>claimed that he passed out for a. While he said

0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.960
<v Speaker 2>when he woke, up he Heard lisa And lane arguing

0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.760
<v Speaker 2>about this alleged sexual. Assault he said he Heard lisa

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<v Speaker 2>SAY i can't believe you did this and ask for

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<v Speaker 2>a ride. Home Then doug claimed That lane told her

0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.360
<v Speaker 2>okay that he would take her. Home after, That doug

0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.640
<v Speaker 2>claimed That lisa And cheryl got into the. Car doug

0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.080
<v Speaker 2>said that an argument broke out In lane's car Between

0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.280
<v Speaker 2>lane And, lisa and That cheryl jumped in to try

0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.440
<v Speaker 2>to defend her. Sister at that, Point doug testified he

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Saw lane Hit cheryl in the face with his, gun

0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.560
<v Speaker 2>a three fifty, seven and Then lisa tried to jump

0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.720
<v Speaker 2>out of the car and run back inside the, house

0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.280
<v Speaker 2>But doug claimed That lane caught her on the way

0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and hit her in the face with a. Shovel doug

0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.120
<v Speaker 2>told police he Saw lane force both women back into

0:18:01.120 --> 0:18:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the car and That lane drove away with. Them doug

0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.120
<v Speaker 2>stated in court this was the last time that he

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<v Speaker 2>ever Saw lisa And. Cheryl doug said after he witnessed

0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.400
<v Speaker 2>this alleged attack that he went back to, sleep and

0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.680
<v Speaker 2>six hours, later when he woke up and asked where

0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the girls, Were lane told him that they had.

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<v Speaker 3>Left to go to the local seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven doug said he later noticed blood Inside lane's car

0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:30.560
<v Speaker 2>on the passenger side front door and quote a radio

0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.280
<v Speaker 2>broken underneath the dash as if a struggle had taken

0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.800
<v Speaker 2>place end. Quote in nineteen, Ninety Lane henley was living In,

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.600
<v Speaker 2>dallas So Oklahoma county police went To texas to search for.

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<v Speaker 2>Him they caught, him and On august, thirtieth nineteen, Ninety

0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Lane henley was sent back To. Oklahoma In august of nineteen,

0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.640
<v Speaker 2>ninety prosecutors filed first degree murder charges Against Lane.

0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Henley doug was the key.

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<v Speaker 2>Witness he later testified that he gave police the information

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<v Speaker 2>after they agreed to drop pending drug charges against.

0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Him doug had spoken.

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<v Speaker 2>To police in nineteen eighty, seven but according to court,

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<v Speaker 2>documents he left out key, facts the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>witnessed this alleged argument that ended With lane Hitting cheryl

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<v Speaker 2>And lisa and the alleged sexual assault. Allegations Lane henley

0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.000
<v Speaker 2>completely denied any involvement In cheryl And lisa's. Murders, then

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety, two as the trial date, Loomed lisa

0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.920
<v Speaker 2>And cheryl's family got a. Shock doug recanted his earlier.

0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Testimony he now said he lied when he claimed to

0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.280
<v Speaker 2>have Witnessed lane Hitting cheryl And lisa and the argument

0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.840
<v Speaker 2>about the alleged sexual. Assault after, that the prosecution dropped

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.920
<v Speaker 2>all charges Again, lane and after spending nineteen months in

0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>The Oklahoma county, Jail Lane henley was. Free as he left,

0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Court lane said that he was going to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and get a real.

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<v Speaker 3>Life Ray elliott.

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<v Speaker 2>Was still Assistant District attorney in nineteen ninety, two and

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<v Speaker 2>he Told The Daily oklahoma In september of that, year

0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 2>near the fifth anniversary Of lisa And cheryl's, disappearance that

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.840
<v Speaker 2>they still considered the two, men Meaning lane And, doug

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.120
<v Speaker 2>the prime suspects and were exploring whether other charges could be.

0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Filed Doug lawson was sentenced to five years for. Perjury

0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.160
<v Speaker 2>he went away and started serving his. Time lisa And

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.800
<v Speaker 2>cheryl's family showed up at every one of his parole

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.360
<v Speaker 2>hearings to try to ensure that he stayed behind.

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Bars after, that.

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<v Speaker 2>The case was sent to The Oklahoma City Police Unsolved Homicide. Unit,

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile rocky and the other members of the family did

0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.640
<v Speaker 2>everything they. Could they talked to, Reporters they FORMED homa

0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.600
<v Speaker 2>side survivors. Groups they even appeared On America's Most. Wanted

0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.920
<v Speaker 2>at some, point they met up with a newspaper. Reporter

0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.480
<v Speaker 2>she later became a private investigator and after that became a.

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<v Speaker 3>Counselor her name Was Dorian.

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<v Speaker 2>Quillen they became friends And dorian started to look into the.

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<v Speaker 2>Case she was trying to help the family every way

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<v Speaker 2>that she. Could they continued to pursue unorthodox methods in

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to gather clues and. Evidence in nineteen ninety, eight

0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 2>a treasure hunting club went out to a field Near

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<v Speaker 2>northwest one twenty two In Santa Fe, avenue near where

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the bodies were, buried to look for the. Bullet rocky

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 2>mowed the lawn in preparation for this, hunt but the

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 2>projectile was never. Found on the twelfth anniversary Of lisa

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<v Speaker 2>And cheryl's, deaths their parents put white crosses in the

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<v Speaker 2>same area at some. Point it does seem as Though

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 2>lisa And cheryl's family's viewpoints might have diverged from law.

0:21:39.120 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Enforcement it's interesting because in an article about that in

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.440
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety, Nine The Daily oklahoma reported that the parents

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<v Speaker 2>no longer thought That Laane henley was the, killer or

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.720
<v Speaker 2>at least they weren't sure that he acted. Alone in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and, Six Charlotte pennington Told The Daily oklahoma

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 2>that she went to bed every night and woke up

0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 2>every single morning thinking about who killed her two precious

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:05.880
<v Speaker 2>daughters and wondering if.

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 3>They would ever get.

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<v Speaker 2>Justice in the years following nineteen eighty, seven her health

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.640
<v Speaker 2>deteriorated and she had two heart.

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Attacks lane moved To, Roswell New.

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico In january of two, thousand his, girlfriend thirty five

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.240
<v Speaker 2>year Old Molly, keeley was reported missing by her. Sister

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<v Speaker 2>two months, Later molly's body was found in a shallow

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 2>grave by The Pecos.

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<v Speaker 3>River she had been fatally shot in the.

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<v Speaker 2>HEAD a fatal shooting and a shallow, grave, so at

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<v Speaker 2>least on the, surface similar circumstances To lisa And cheryl's.

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<v Speaker 2>MURDERS A roswell police officer told The, oklahoma But lane

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<v Speaker 2>had been investigated in connection With molly's, death but he

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 2>was never arrested or. Charged and then In february of

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.320
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and, Eight Lane henley made headlines. Again he

0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 2>was still In New mexico and the trailer he was

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>living in burned to the. Ground Lane henley was living

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 2>with his longtime, girlfriend thirty eight year Old Amy, mirrable

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a mother of, four when their trailer caught on.

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Fire she was trapped inside the home and.

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<v Speaker 2>DIED a spokesperson for The New Mexico State Medical investigator

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Told The Daily oklahoma that there were no signs of foul.

0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Play detectives In New mexico said the cause of the

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>fire appeared to be accidental and that the agency knew

0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.920
<v Speaker 2>About lane's. Past lane was fifty one years old at

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 2>the time he was hospitalized with second and third degree.

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Burns it's interesting because in two thousand and, Eight The

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Daily oklahoma quoted The Oklahoma City police cold case Inspector

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Kyle eastridge as saying That lane was still the main

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 2>suspect In cheryl And lisa's. Murders Dorian, quillen the journalist

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and private investigator turned, counselor who became involved sometime in

0:24:01.120 --> 0:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the mid two, thousands never gave up on the. Cases

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Detective Mike, burke who was one of the homicide detectives

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>on the case back in nineteen eighty, seven told The

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Alamagordo Daily news in two thousand and eight that he

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 2>found it very interesting that four women who had associations

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 2>With Lane henley were all dead at the. Time charlotte

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 2>told the newspaper she had always Considered lane's, suspect and

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 2>she suspected That doug or possibly others could have been.

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Involved she also gave another small, detail saying that police

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.880
<v Speaker 2>had found the bodies near a pond Where lane's friends

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.680
<v Speaker 2>said he went. Fishing rocky told the newspaper that when

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>he found out That lane was living in Almagai, ordoh

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 2>the town where the house fire, happened he said he

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 2>had called law enforcement and told them About lane's suspected

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>involvement in his daughter's. Death this was before the trailer

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 2>burned down. Again doug was never charged in connection With

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.640
<v Speaker 2>cheryl And lisa's. Murders lane was, charged but those charges

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.360
<v Speaker 2>were ultimately, dropped and he continued to deny any. INVOLVEMENT

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 2>i was looking at old newspaper clippings about the, fire

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and there's something else that's odd about the circumstances of this.

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 2>FIRE a guy Named Gerald, moore a freelance, photographer told

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>The alan Mcgardo Daily news that he'd witnessed the.

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 3>Fire he said he was headed home.

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>From work on the morning Of january twenty second when

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>he saw. Smoke once he got to the, scene he

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and another neighbor Saw, lane in his, words pacing. Around

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 2>gerald claimed that at that Point lane approached, them and

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 2>in his, Words gerald said That lane quote did not

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>seem overly distraught end. Quote according to this same news,

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 2>article the man went in and Saved lane from the,

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 2>fire but there seemed to be conflicting stories about who

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 2>went in to try to look For, amy and Whether

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 2>lane had gone back in to rescue his girlfriend or

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>whether it was this other. Guy Dorian, quillen who was

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 2>still working on the, case called this man to try

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and clear up the real. Story but there seemed to

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 2>be conflicting stories about who went in to try to

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>look For, amy and Whether lane had gone back in

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 2>to rescue his girlfriend or whether it was this other,

0:26:14.120 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Guy Dorian, quillen who was still working on the case

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 2>called this man to try and clear up the real.

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Story Then dorian told The Alamagordo Daily news that this

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>guy had been surprised because he Said lane really didn't

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>have any interest in going back to Rescue. Amy dorian

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>also told the paper that While sheryl And lisa's murders

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>were being, Investigated lane's house In North Oklahoma city had

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>also burned to the. Ground is this just an odd

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>coincidence or could it point to something?

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 3>MORE i want to be careful.

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Here lane was not charged In Molly keeley's death Or

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Amy mirraball's, death and the charges In cheryl And lisa's

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>case were ultimately, dropped but these overlaps are one reason why,

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>investigators family, members and advocates continued to ask. Questions so

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>after that fire In New mexico in two thousand and,

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 2>eight there really aren't many news articles About cheryl And lisa's.

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Case in twenty, twelve the daughter of a man police

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>once interviewed in connection to the murders told police her

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 2>father had confessed to her that he Murdered lisa And,

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 2>cheryl and also said one of the girls was raped

0:27:24.360 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and murdered while the other was kept alive for days

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>being raped and, tortured but in the end the police

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>called the confession a dead end. Street Dorian quillan did

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<v Speaker 2>Tell fox twenty five in twenty seventeen she hoped modern

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<v Speaker 2>forensic testing could help get. Answers she said she had

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<v Speaker 2>seen evan its collection reports and from that she had

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<v Speaker 2>learned police had collected physical, evidence including what she described as, earrings,

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<v Speaker 2>jewelry fingernails from both, girls clothing from both, girls and

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<v Speaker 2>hairs from both. Girls then there's another huge gap in

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<v Speaker 2>coverage until around twenty twenty. Two during those, years Both

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<v Speaker 2>charlotte And Rocky pennington. Died they were buried next To

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<v Speaker 2>cheryl And. Lisa in twenty twenty, two The Homicide Victims

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<v Speaker 2>Family's Rights act was signed into.

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<v Speaker 3>Law this law is a federal.

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<v Speaker 2>Law it allowed family members of homicide victims and cases

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<v Speaker 2>that could be prosecuted in federal court the right to

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<v Speaker 2>request a. Review Dorian quillan said she was working with victims'

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<v Speaker 2>rights groups to try to create a similar law In.

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma The oklahoma reported in twenty twenty That dorian and

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<v Speaker 2>her team were focused on someone other Than Lane, henley

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<v Speaker 2>another person of interest that they said they believe was

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<v Speaker 2>still living In Oklahoma, city but never was. Charged in

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<v Speaker 2>the fall of twenty twenty, Three dorian spearheaded an attempt

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<v Speaker 2>to get this case brought before a grand. JURY a

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<v Speaker 2>judge signed a petition stating that If dorian and the

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<v Speaker 2>family could get five hundred or more signatures in forty five,

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<v Speaker 2>days that.

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<v Speaker 3>A grand jury could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Convened but at least according to WHAT i can, find

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<v Speaker 2>it seems as though that never, happened that it was

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<v Speaker 2>canceled due to some kind of. TECHNICALITY i want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk for a minute about What dorian said about why

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<v Speaker 2>she was advocating for a change in the. Law The

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<v Speaker 2>Daily oklahoma said she was inspired to try to do

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<v Speaker 2>this after behavior she had witnessed from law enforcement over

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<v Speaker 2>the years and the things she claimed police had said

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>to victim's. Families dorian, said, quote they were told so

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<v Speaker 2>many things that were wrong by people that were supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to help, them things like we don't have time to

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<v Speaker 2>look for your. Girls we know who did, it but

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<v Speaker 2>we can't do. Anything wait fifteen years and someone will.

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<v Speaker 2>Confess you can't speak like that to these.

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<v Speaker 3>Families end.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote on a personal, NOTE i have worked on many unsolved,

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<v Speaker 2>cases And i've heard so many victims' families talk about

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<v Speaker 2>their dealings with law enforcement saying that they've heard these same.

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<v Speaker 2>Phrases SO i do feel passionately that the laws should.

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<v Speaker 2>CHANGE i should also, mention, though When dorian's talking about forensic,

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<v Speaker 2>evidence there could be another potential complicating factor in this

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>case involving forensic, testing because the forensic chemist at the

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<v Speaker 2>time When lisa And cheryl were killed Was Joyce Skill.

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<v Speaker 2>Christ she was later fired after she was accused of forensic.

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<v Speaker 2>Misconduct at the time she was, Fired joyce had handled

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<v Speaker 2>over three thousand cases In, oklahoma and her work prompted

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<v Speaker 2>reviews in over one thousand and two hundred felony. Cases

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<v Speaker 2>AN fbi investigation found one hundred and sixty five of

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<v Speaker 2>these cases were flagged for further.

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<v Speaker 3>Review Lane henley continued to live In New.

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico he was never charged in connection with any of

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>these women's deaths and continued to completely deny involvement in

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>any of. Them he died in twenty, fifteen But cheryl's

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<v Speaker 2>surviving family still holds out hope even after almost forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years this is the kind of case THAT i believe

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<v Speaker 2>could really benefit from war stuff being made, public especially

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<v Speaker 2>since the forensics may not exist or may be. Questionable

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty, Six Dorian quillan appeared On behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>The Pennington. Family as legislators In oklahoma continued to debate

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<v Speaker 2>changing state law to allow families to ask for cold

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<v Speaker 2>case review after a certain period of, Time Senator Carrie

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<v Speaker 2>hicks held an interim, study which she said she hoped

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<v Speaker 2>could help change the. Law the idea is that after

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<v Speaker 2>a certain time, period families would have a mechanism to

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<v Speaker 2>allow other outside people to take a look at case. Files,

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<v Speaker 2>again on a personal, note this is something THAT i

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<v Speaker 2>think is much needed at the federal, level but doing

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<v Speaker 2>something at the state level is a great. Start if

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to season one Of Helen, gone some of

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<v Speaker 2>you may have heard me With Rebecca gould's father in

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<v Speaker 2>that cold, case going To Little rock and talking to

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<v Speaker 2>lawmakers In arkansas about the possibility of changing the law.

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<v Speaker 2>There and AS i was writing this, episode there was

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<v Speaker 2>some good news on this. Case On may, seventh twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>Six Senate bill sixteen thirty six was approved by The.

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<v Speaker 2>Governor kaotio, reported meaning this will allow families of cold

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<v Speaker 2>case victims to request a formal review of cases by

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<v Speaker 2>investigators who were not involved in the original. Investigation, crucially

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<v Speaker 2>it also mandates response, time including thirty days for written

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<v Speaker 2>confirmation and a six month review timeline nineteen eighty seven

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<v Speaker 2>was almost forty years ago, now though a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people may have. Died there are a lot of basic

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<v Speaker 2>questions that presumably the case, file if it was made,

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<v Speaker 2>public could help, answer such as what was the exact

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<v Speaker 2>sequence Of cheryl And lisa leaving the, fair who were

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<v Speaker 2>the independent witnesses who corroborated that they were At lane's

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<v Speaker 2>house in the seven eleven story where they killed by

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<v Speaker 2>one or two?

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<v Speaker 3>Guns and what caliber were?

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<v Speaker 2>They WHAT dna or biological evidence was, collected and could

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<v Speaker 2>it be retested, today obviously with a different forensic. Chemist

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<v Speaker 2>cheryl And lisa's, Brother Allan, pennington spoke to The oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty. Two he said he still thinks about

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<v Speaker 2>the moment when he left his sisters at the. Fair

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<v Speaker 2>alan told the newspaper, QUOTE i think about how things

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<v Speaker 2>could be now If i'd been given the chance to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy watching their, kids my nieces and nephews grow into,

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<v Speaker 2>adults WHERE i would be. Living basically just a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of what ifs about how things would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Today where WOULD i be if that hadn't? Happened end.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote if you know anything about the murders of sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>year Old Lisa pennington and twenty five year Old Cheryl,

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<v Speaker 2>ginzer please contact The Oklahoma City Police department at FOUR

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<v Speaker 2>o five two nine seven one. Thousand I'm Catherine. Townsend

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